Mehdi Challenges Hunter Biden on Gaza, the 2024 Election, Democrats, and His Own Regrets

By now, you've seen him everywhere from the BBC to NPR to Tucker Carlson's and Candace Owens' shows. Yes, I'm talking about the one and only Hunter Biden. Now, you may think you already know who Hunter Biden is, but I'm here in LA to get to the bottom of some unanswered questions and reflect on his and his father's pretty complicated legacies. Hunter Biden, thank you for joining me on "Made the Unfiltered." - Be sure you take a time out. - Thank you. Originally, Hunter, when we planned this interview, we were going to start off by listing how many interviews you've done in the last month. But my team and I could not keep up with you. There seems to be a new clip of you dropping every day online. Do you even know how many interviews you've done in the past 30 days? Oh, wow. No, I don't. It's a lot. I don't. It's a lot. Yeah. So what is the purpose of this media tour of this kind of go out and talk to everyone? Is it a rehabilitation tour? Is it image rehab? What's the goal? No, I don't think anybody can go on a rehabilitation tour in any authentic way and ask for people to redeem them. The only redemption is in the self from my perspective. But the reality is that for about seven years, I have largely, as much as I personally could remain out of the spotlight. And I know that sounds silly because of the fact of how much attention was paid to me. But none of it was attention that I was seeking, obviously. And I found this. I found once I went out and started to talk to people beginning with Andrew Callahan, who I think is a brilliant journalist, and a real depth of understanding about where particularly certain generation is in America. I had an experience in which I felt not only liberated in terms of being able to speak on behalf of myself, but the reaction that I got wasn't about politics. The vast majority of the reaction were people that reached out to me and said that they really appreciated what I was doing and talking about addiction and recovery. So that made you want to do more? Because you've done a lot. Exactly. I interviewed people for a living. I can't remember the last time I sat down with a guest, and my team had to go, well, here are all the other interviews they've done. And it's a lot. So in a lot of these interviews under, you've spoken a lot about the tax and gun charges against you, the notorious laptop, the pardon from your dad, a lot has been covered. So I'm going to try and ask some other questions today. Maybe some stuff you haven't been asked before. But before we get to that, I have to ask. You've said it interviews previously that you are, quote, an open book and that you, quote, welcome any question. Does that play to me in this interview today? You know what? It certainly does. Let's get down the record right at the beginning. We have to say to the camera that I brought this home myself. I want to buy now a proof of this interview. Exactly. Well, first of all, serious now. How is your father, Joe Biden, the former president? How is he doing? I believe he has stage four prostate cancer that is spread to his bones. Yeah. And so that was the original diagnosis, that is called metastatic bone cancer. It's when it spreads beyond the prostate. The radiation and therapy that he's done as a relates to the prostate has been incredibly successful and the hormone therapy. And I can speak about it freely because it's all public knowledge. The hormone therapy has abated the continued growth of the bone cancer for now. But it's really difficult. I mean, as anybody that has, which means everybody, that's probably listening to this now, has had a loved one or themselves that have gone through this process. And it's hard. It's hard to watch, particularly as if you're a family. And you'd love it in my, that person as much as I do my dad. But he's doing better. He's responding to the treatment. Yeah, she's responding to the treatment. Yeah, okay, yeah. You have had a very privileged life, I think it's fair to say, but also a life filled with tragedy. When you were just two years old for people you don't know, you were in a car crash that tragically killed your mother and your sister and left you and your older brother Bo injured just over a decade ago. Your brother Bo tragically passed away from a rare form of brain cancer at the age of just 46. And after a decade of being a punching bag for people on the right, you now are dealing with your father's cancer. Your father Joe Biden said after your mother and sister passed away, that he wondered whether God played a trick on him. And I wondered, do you feel that way now about yourself? No, I don't. What everybody understands, but they sometimes feel very alone in, is the traumas that we each face in life. So I don't know anybody that doesn't have a brother or sister or a mother or father that has had issues with addiction. I don't know anybody that doesn't have someone in their family that has died far too young because of cancer or another terminal illness, or a car accident for that matter. And what I've found having to live that all in the public eye is an enormous sense of connection to other people. And so, you know, I understand why my dad meant by that. There's a cartoon that he keeps on his desk that people have probably seen before. It's "Hey, God of the Harbor," which nobody will remember. And he gets struck by lightning and he has God, why me and God's response is, why not you? And, but more than anything, what I've found through those experiences in my life, and in my father's life, my family life, it's the thing that connects us to people rather than separates us. It's not the thing that makes it special by virtue of the fact that it's somehow unique. It's special because everybody has had to go through this. Yes, although particularly tragic given your family's background, I mean, your father, this accident happened just weeks after he was elected senator for Delaware. He considered resigning after the accident to spend more time with you guys. He's even set on the record that he contemplated suicide at one point. You've been very open about your own struggle with addiction. How much of that tragedy, that childhood, do you believe fed into your own travails? Well, the short answer to that is I don't know. And, as I always say, addiction is never an excuse. It may be an explanation. So the cause of my addiction, the reasons for why I suffer from the disease of addiction, are things that at first I really push back against trying to figure out. And then I watched that thing with Dr. Gabor Montey, who is an incredibly brilliant psychologist that has spent a long time in practice in Vancouver treating addicts. And he said that all addiction at some root is based in trauma. And again, I truly don't mean to minimize my own story. But what I do mean is this is that I would ask you, if you had a very close family member die in a tragic way or too young, I've never been able to ask that question to somebody where they said, no, it didn't hit me. And so I'm not saying that I want to make it clear because I sometimes feel guilty about this. I get to come up here and I talk about how I overcame addiction and all the traumas in my life. Everybody that's watching this has had the same experience. Maybe not as public, maybe not as spectacular in the sense of the way in which it was made public, but everybody has. And that's one of the reasons I keep coming and doing these interviews. And you're also working for some addiction charges, I believe, advising. Yeah, so peak path health foundation is where we're standing up right now. It's part of peak path health, which is a rehab center, which I really love. The two people that run it, Justin and Glennis are incredible people that have their own stories of recovery. And yeah, I'm really proud of that. So, under before I get to some stuff, we might disagree on. I do want to talk about some things. We definitely agree on. I'm sure we both can agree that it's ridiculous. You're easing me into it. I'm easing you into it. I'm sure, well, listen to this question. I'm sure you agree with me that it is ridiculous. How much the Trump children have gotten away with given what you were accused of and constantly harangued for? You have Don Junien Eric making hundreds of millions, maybe billions off of their father's second term, defense contracts, crypto money, drones, mines. It must drive you up the wall to see how little median outrage their seeming corruption gets versus what you were accused of. The worst stuff you were accused of seems quaint and trivial, convincing what they are doing. Let's put this into perspective. I made about an average of $200,000 to $225,000 a year over the course of four years while my dad was president. Paintings. From painting. Yeah. And I think a little bit of a residual of the book I wrote. Okay. And so over the course of that time, and every single person who bought one of my paintings testified before Congress under oath. And so everybody can go read the transcripts of those of that testimony. Okay. Not a hum to mind and pain do you get congressional subpoena? By the way, their lawyers bills cost more than what they paid for my painting by at least double or triple. Yeah. Okay. So at least they got a story to tell with the painting. All right. But so let's begin there. All right. You can take all of my business activities going back for 30 years. being the chairman of the board of the USU and World Food Program to being a professor at Georgetown. - It doesn't even come to a-- - It doesn't even come to a-- - Are you permanently mad about the double standard? Don't try to-- - I don't know if I'm mad about the double standard as much as I am flummoxed by the-- - No, a flummoxing. Why do you think that? Maybe you don't have an answer, maybe you're flummoxed, but why do you think they do get away with this? And Jared Kushner too. - Well, part of the reason is that you would be able to answer much better than I. Part of the answer is this, is that I don't understand, maybe I do understand, but I don't feel competent enough or have enough knowledge on the inside as you do about the current state of what you call legacy media or I mean what you have been part of and now no longer are. - Yes. - Is that it is a, it's run by a very, very select few of people that let's just be absolutely clear or neither Democrats nor Republicans. They are a part of an oligarchy that has only one interest and that is themselves and whatever they can do to attain sustain and maintain their own power and grow their wealth, they will do. And you know what's not part of that story? It's not part of that story to attack the Trumps. You know why? Because of government contracts get they get because of the FBC's threatening to go after them. Because you just go down all of the list and so therefore it is open season on corruption within the White House. And I'm not talking just about Jared Kushner who's got a $6.4 billion fund all funded by Gulf States or the $100 million in fees that he receives on an annual basis. I'm talking about everyone that surrounds him. He has not drained the swamp. He has filled it and it is overflowing. Howard Lutnik and the Whitcoffs. And I mean like the Whitcoffs, you could do a, I don't know, at least 32 hours of documentary film on the ways in which they have been profiting off of. I mean think about the Lutniks' sons on the tariff refunds, okay? And it all flows up basically. But you and I know about this because we have political nerds who read this stuff. The average person on the streets never heard of it. Let alone heard of the sons and the tariff. And why do I go on, can't I tell you this? Why do I go on, can't I tell you this? Well, come back to Candicella's and Tucker Carson. Just on the mainstream media, there's also obviously Donald Trump himself versus your dad, not just you versus Donald Eric. Donald Trump, and I say this all the time when people get annoyed at me, but Donald Trump has said much crazier things than your dad ever said on his worst day. He has marks on his daily basis. And then daily basis on our daily basis. He just changed the name of Lake Superior to Lake America. What kind of an egotistical narcissist can same person does something like that? Well, the same person who also posted at the same time an image of himself as the greatest president of all time. Yeah, but worse than that, he falls asleep in meetings every day on camera every day. He has weird marks on his hand, gross stuff on his hands. He had a secret MRI, a secret MRI. He won't release his medical records. Why do you think again? Do you think it's just fear that the media doesn't treat him, his health, his age is the same way they treated your dad. You haven't got a whole book. I don't know. Jake Tapper and Alex Donner, a whole book on your dad's multiple news stories, multiple, you know, you know, better than me. And yet Trump's health, is it because he just doesn't look frail like your dad looked? I don't know what, what do you think it is? I think it's because as he told us, he took a cognitive test and he was able to say pictured camera, zebra, elephant, and giraffe. And that's why. I mean, who, I mean, who the hell knows? I don't know, but all I do know is this, is the double standard is insane, particularly as it relates to the release of his health reports. Yes. He, I mean, we have a person that we know that literally lies and has doctors lie for him to say that he's six foot three and weighs 225 pounds. When we can all literally look and know that he's far closer to 300 and far closer to 511 than he is. And that's not an even exaggeration. You know, people stand next to him. So we're supposed to believe that those doctors are willing to lie about his weight, but are not willing to lie about why he got his secret MRI. Are you going back to the Vietnam War? We got doctors to lie about that. Yeah, to get him out of fighting. Does your dad have a express frustration to you about the double standard when it comes to Trump and his age? I don't know about whether it is the double standard that he gets frustrated about it. What he gets frustrated about is what Donald Trump is literally dismantling, not just as it relates to his administration. I mean, my dad's administration and the things that they were able to accomplish. But the way he is dismantling this constitutional republic. And your dad did warn about it. And people said he was hyperbole. But I think we all know that Democrats could have done more to warn about it. While we're on the subject of the Trump family before we move on, what did you make a millennia suddenly emerging after 30 days when no one had seen her? And the minute everyone starts talking about Natalie Hart, this aide to the president and her relationship with Donald Trump, Melania pops up in the rose garden and says, hey, I'm back. Yeah. It was a clone. That's what everybody said. By the way, my dad is a clone. And so am I. I just want everybody to know. And so is Melania. That's how I know. But the number one to address your question directly, OK? Is that we don't have to get off the Trump family at all. Let's stay on this for the next 45 minutes. Because there is more material. And there is more actual facts and evidence of their corruption that is-- and Natalie Hart, all I say about Natalie Hart is this, is that can you imagine if Natalie Hart-- there was a 35-year-old woman that engaged with the president in the way that she does and that president was Barack Obama, what they would be doing right now. And now I'm not saying two wrongs make a right. But I will say this, is that if you have someone that is that close to the president in which no one else can explain the anomaly of her existence in his orbit, and that had a delay of a year to have a security clearance-- Right, we had notes, too. Yeah, and so I don't understand how that's off limits in some way. Well, and by the way, as it relates to them having a sexual relationship, I don't think anybody is that crazy. I don't think any woman is that crazy. And I understand and I don't about all of these-- We all know what Fox would be saying if it was your father or Barack Obama with an aid in places where the secret service was upset about it. I wish we could talk about the Trump family as well for 45 minutes, but I get to talk about the Trumps all the time. Can I come back? Maybe, we'll see. Let's see, but I don't get to talk about Joe Biden and the Bidens as much as I would like to. And you've taken time out. So I'm going to ask you about that. On the issue of corruption, my own view is that what the Trumps sons are doing is 100, 1000 times worse than the worst stuff you were accused of doing. And a lot of stuff, you and your father were accused of doing firing the prosecutor in Ukraine to protect Burisma and you, turned out to be BS. It's been debunked many a time. Having said that, you did undermine your dad's presidency with your business dealings. Did you not? You shouldn't really have been on the board of Burisma while he was vice president. Because-- and you can answer the question, but a lot of Obama administration officials at the time were saying, this does not look good. The people who were running Ukraine policy were putting messages out internally saying, the vice president's son should not be on the board of this company. Yeah. Yes. And they were right. So you accept that you did undermine with your business deal. Even if you weren't breaking laws. Yeah, they were right. But let me do the filer up to that. Is this? Is that I took the position because I knew that I was number one qualified for it. This whole question of why would I be asked to be on a board? I mean, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous on its face because of this is that I had a long history and career in corporate governance. I worked for Boy Schilder Flexor. That was the subject matter. I was the head of the corporate governance committee as vice chairman of the board of Amtrak. I was the chairman of the board of the-- to the US supporting role of the UN World Food Program. It was the largest humanitarian. I was on the board of the Center for National Policy. I was the chairman of the board of the Truman South. And gone and on and on. I was eminently qualified for the position. But you're absolutely right. What I did not take into account out of naivete, even with all of my sophistication in this, is what a snake's pit that Ukraine was. I was convinced by an argument by President Kwasniewski that was also on the board that is a leader of democracy in Europe. And the first democratically elected president to Poland, who made the argument that this is a ball work. This is a way to send a message to Putin, whose entire goal in the Netsk was to take over all of the gas fields that were essential to the continued operation of Ukraine. So all that being said is this. You're absolutely right. And they were absolutely right. You say naivete, people want you, might say. Maybe it was the million dollar paycheck. Oh, 100%. Of course it was. And you mentioned-- I mean, let me say this. Of course it was. You mentioned the former Polish president, Kwasniewski. Yeah. He said back in 2019 that we basically invited him to join the board because he was Joe Biden's son. Yes, he said that's how the world of business works. You went on Bill Mahery simply and said, yeah, it was because of my name when I was hired. Well, one of the reasons. Yes, one of the reasons. A big reason. A big reason. A hundred percent. So again, two things can be true at the same time. You can be smart and qualified for the job, but also accept that you got the job because you're Hunter Biden, not Hunter Smith. Oh, Hunter Biden. And I'm wondering, what is that like to know that you got the job? I mean, what is it like to know that I'm [BLANK_AUDIO] I'm qualified, I've done the World Food Program, but I got this million dollar gig because of my last name. - Yeah. - What is it like to be a Nepo baby? - Let me say this, is this? I don't know if there's any way to explain this in a way that it doesn't sound like you're a complete smack asshole. Sorry, okay, and from a regular guy's perspective, okay? The only way that I would be able to explain it is this. Is that, you have children? - I do. - One of your children decided that they wanted to go into journalism, okay? You know what, he's gonna have a lot of connections that nobody else does, and he's gonna have a, by the way, he's gonna have an enormous amount of experience of watching it and being around it and understanding it and developing a real feel for how you do this job and all the component parts that happen around it. And by the way, when he goes to college and he decides that he wants to go to journalism school, you know what, he's gonna have a real, real upper hand in terms of getting a gig. So that's it. That's what it is. - It's all out. - How does it feel to get a job? Get a million dollar paycheck and say, did I get this because of my own skills? Or did I get it because of my dad? - It is a constant, constant thing in the back of anyone's head. Particularly if your dad rises to the position of not just a United States senator from the state of Delaware, but rises to the position of being president of the United States or vice president for that matter. And it was a constant during that period of time. I want you to understand, too, the incredibly not just qualitative, the difference. And being a United States senator from the state of Delaware and which we never really ran up against the kind of the Georgetown set in DC. Never a part of the DC sense. - Keep saying Delaware in a weird way, but. - Delaware. Not the pronunciation, just like it's not that bigger place. - It's tiny. - Yeah. - Just for people watching. - Being the president of Delaware, not being the president of California. - Exactly, I mean, like, you know, I mean, it would be like living in silver lake. I mean, it's the same population. And so my point is, you know everybody. - But then he's president. - Vice president was the way it would begin. And it became really, really difficult to be able to discern that. And then when my brother was diagnosed with cancer and then I get an offer to go on a board and which gives me the opportunity to make a million dollars. And then, you know, it, it, it, I mean, and I truly understand the question because it's a reality. But you're already making money before Burisma. You were slammed by right wingers who called you corrupt. They pushed this absurd Biden crime family narrative. But again, did you give them the ammo before the Burisma board position? You and your uncle, James Biden, purchased a hedge fund paradigm global advisors. - Yeah. - Which became associated with a number of alleged and confirmed frauds, former executives claim, that your uncle literally set out loud in a boardroom. We've got people all around the world who want to invest in Joe Biden. And this is just before your dad's second president. - presidential campaign. - Many. Okay, we're going back 20 years almost right now. But here's the thing, is that's all bullshit. It totally simply bullshit. There were lawsuits that were filed. - You never said that. - Yeah, no, you never said people wanted me to do that. - No, absolutely not. And by the way, let me give you an example. - Let me finish my question 'cause you jumped in. You don't think you and your uncle - That's what I'm trying to. - To create the Biden crime family narratives. - No. - With this kind of behavior. - Absolutely not. - Trading off names. - Absolutely not. - I want 100% not and I really, really want you to get an understanding of this. - Okay. - If that were true, then in the 22 years of digital, my digital footprint over 22 years, everything, every text message, every email, every voicemail, every photograph that there was. There is not a single communication from me or from someone in my dad's orbit that said, I want you to do something on behalf of me because I'm getting paid by what? - I'm not saying that, it's the case. I'm saying that you didn't get any crimes in the republic of the, I'm saying that you created the narrative, right? - By the way, that wouldn't even be a crime, but my point is, there isn't even a hint of fair enough what you would like somebody said. - There is a hint that you and your uncle bought a company based on your name, to make money off of it. - Oh, absolutely. And paradigm was a completely screwed up deal but that absolutely is not true at all. - And you're denying, this is your uncle said they want to invest in your life. - That was said in a lawsuit against my brother. - But it looked bad. - You accept it looks bad. - Of course it looks bad. - Okay. - That's what I'm trying to get to. - I'm not here, I'm not here to defend the idea that I didn't give them a whole enormous number of opening. - There you go then, so we're in a room. - Yeah. - That's what we see. - You're told, let's keep going on that note. In April 2023 and the midst of the laptop drama and your tax investigation, your father announces he's running for re-election as President of the United States. Were you involved with that decision? Did you encourage him to make that decision to run it? - No, nothing to do with it. No. - Well, I mean, of course you have something to do with it in the sense that he says that this is what he's gonna do. - No, before he says this is not true. - No, he knew exactly where I stood on that. - Which is to go for it. - No, the opposite. - You didn't want him to run for re-election? Is it, I wanted him back as my dad. I wanted the presidency unlike any other job in the entire world literally takes 23 hours out of your day. And if you don't-- - Not if you don't trust him. - Not if you're done with Trump. But if you're Joe Biden, it does. Is his availability. And I also saw the actuary table and the immutable issue of time, which is that I only had so much time left with him. So that on the personal level. - But you didn't tell him, don't run that. - Now, but then finishing this, who would have benefited more from him not running than me? I was the third most spoken about person on Fox News for over a four-year period of time. Only two other people that they spoke about more are Joe Biden and Donald Trump. - We've all been beaten by Hassan Pankana, but anyways, go. - Yeah, yeah, by the way, we can get to that. - We can get to that, we will. - But that just like, it was beyond a white hot spotlight. I was on the cover of the New York Post more times than anybody in the history of the paper in a year. And I've said that a million times and nobody's correct to me because it's true. And the paper goes back to the founding by Alexander Hamilton in the late 1700s. And so my point is this, if anybody wanted to be out of that spotlight, if anybody wanted to be out of that, of that cauldron, of that inability to have the relationship that I've always had with my dad, to be able to have his time and his focus and his energy, not just as a father, but as a grandfather and being around. It was me. But when my dad decided that he was gonna do it, I'm all in, just like everybody in the family. - I'd rather you didn't. - No, because I think that's so unfair. I really do. - Because he would have listened. - Yeah, because it would have torn him. - Okay, yeah. - Your father's candidacy was, of course, derailed after that shocking debate performance in Atlanta in the summer of 2024 against Donald Trump. This was a man he had debated very well against in 2020. And if we've got some tape, I wanted to play to you. Let's take a look at 2020 Biden versus 2024. - Oh, this is killing me. - I know, but we're gonna let you. - My son was in Iraq. He spent a year there. He was not a loser. He was a patriot. And the people left behind there were heroes. - People know. - He is a Russian. - I'm not gonna answer the question. - Why would you answer that question? - Because the question is, the question is, just as radical left. - Would you shut up, man? - Who? - Making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the COVID. I'm just gonna be dealing with everything we have to do with, look, if we finally beat Medicare. - Thank you, President Biden. - Did you speak to your father at that night after the debate? - Yeah. - What did you say? Said, it's gonna be okay. See you tomorrow. I was in California. - Did he think it wasn't okay? - Oh, yeah. I mean, he just watched that. Here's the thing about that. You ever seen a tape other than that? But when my dad, I mean, you can see there were times in what he said, Iran instead of Iraq, or he got a prime minister's name wrong, or he has gained his chains or anything. And ever seeing him like that, as someone who watches this, with a professionalism that you do, you ever see him after that? On camera? Look like a deer in the headlights. It literally wasn't able to answer a question. I mean, he went from there, and what, a week later, or three days later, sat down with George Stephanopoulos, burned an hour and a half interview. And then he went from that, and he did a NATO press conference for over two hours with, you took, I don't know, literally close to 45 questions and gave a tour to force about the history of NATO. And the future of the globe. But my point is, I cannot explain that night. I am not saying to you that my dad did not get old in front of people's eyes. That's absolutely true. But as it related to his cognitive capacity, and regardless of what Jake Tapper will say to you, of a certain Mark Warner saying that in a three minute transaction with Joe Biden, he thought like he was off or something like that. I'm sure that people saw exactly what I saw, a man who was growing old in front of our eyes. But I can tell you this. And I really mean it, Betty, and to everybody that's listening, is that if I believe that my dad did not have the cognitive capacity that he was unable to do the job as president, Why the hell would I. want him put him through, the utter embarrassment of that. Why the hell would anyone that loved him want him knowing that there's nowhere to hide his president? That's a very good point. Just in response, I would ask you a question, Matt, which is, do you accept, even if you don't agree with them, there are people like myself, I was on MSNBC, and I defended your dad against the idea that he's too old, he's out of it, these are, in a moment, the right wingers were running edited clips of things like, "Oh, he's walked in the wrong direction, you turned out, he'd been told to go through." Whatever it was. So I was defending him at the time, but that night, and I'd already left MSNBC by that point I was at the tail, but the night that debate happened, I did a video in my basement saying he's got to pull out. This guy can't be running, and I think I did pod save America live show the next day where all of us said, all of us, all four of us on stage said he's got a step aside and weirdly the crowd cheered, I thought we were going to get booed by loyal democrats. My question is, do you accept that a lot of people been defended by and felt betrayed? Then all the other reports came out, not just Jake Tapper. A lot of reports came out about him at the G7, and people, you know, "Should he have to use a wheelchair, are there AIDS surrounding him so he doesn't have to walk away?" Yeah, there were wheelchair tears. And there was a whole issue of, you know, there were many reports. Did you feel betrayed? A little bit, when I saw this, this is much worse than they were telling us, I was speaking to people at the White House, they were telling me this is all fine, it's all bullshit. And then you see the debate, you read the reporting, tons of reporting, not just Jake Tapper. The opposite thing is that I would say to you this, is that for instance, my issue with the policy of America guys is that they're attacking my dad, did not start the day after the debate. They're attacking my dad, it's happened way before that. That's a different okay. I was saying that. I didn't think so. No, no, no. About being too old to run. They would sit there and they would talk about the polling that shows that everybody thinks it was real, yes, and he ran, my point is that he ran, and then you know what, is that when they made it clear, and when I say they, I don't know exactly who that amorphous group of DC insiders, can I come back to that, because I do want to ask you about the decision. Just quickly on the debate, lastly on the debate, your mum Jill Biden recently explained what was going through her head on the night of your father's debate, struck a very different tone from her original comments. I wanted to have a watch of both comments. As I watched it, I thought, oh my god, he's having a stroke. And it scared me to death. Jill, you did such a great job, you answered every question and all the way. How do you reconcile that? She wasn't telling the truth then, or she's not telling the truth now. I can't see those two clips and see that they make sense together. Yeah. So I think that that is literally the fog of war. Which bit? I don't know what I'm wondering what's the second? The second, the original. The original? The original. The original. She's just in the midst. She wants to present. You go into the spin room. I mean, that basically-- But in her head, she is thinking he may have had a stroke. 100%. And by the way, and I don't know whether I thought it was a stroke. Look, I don't mind. She said, by the way, she was asked of the interview recently. Yeah. And this is the world we live in. She does some podcasts like you. She was asked the other day whether Joe Biden was drugged before the debate, whether he was roofed. And she said, who knows? You don't agree with that. That's mad. Do we agree on that? You're posing, which is interesting. OK. So here's the thing. No, no, no, no, no. I don't want to start these people saying that I'm promoting some of the other guests. I'm going to say no. That's not true. That's not true. Let me answer it. Let me goddamn answer it. I want you. I'm sorry. How have you worked? I've averaged you. I didn't realize you were there saying anything other than no. I watched you how you do this. You backed me into a corner. Did he go like I just said that? I did you a very easy question. I was kidding. He wasn't drugged. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. OK. So here's the deal. Is this? Is that I do not believe that he was drugged? No, I do not. But did he act like he was? Yes. And that's my point. I don't have any other explanation for it. And people can say come up with these conspiracies of like how my mom is some kind of like resputant behind the scenes, like propping up the czar. I mean, you know, bullshit, just absolute bullshit. Maybe that knows my parents relationship over the past 50 years knows this is that that is not the way that they operate. What we do is this is that we stand behind whoever is doing, whether it was my brother running, whether it's me and my recovering, whether I'm doing right now, is that you will go out and defend to the death. And I will defend to the death my father as a person. And as a person, I am telling you this is that no one in my family thought that my dad did not have the cognitive capacity to be president before or after that. And that was such an anomaly that literally you once threw your head. Think about it. Unfortunately for all people, they don't see it as an anomaly. But I understand what you're saying. You said you didn't want him to run again. I don't think that's fair, though, Maddie. I think that everybody said he got old, but nobody reported anything that looked like that. No, I'm not talking about people that I'm talking about. The average public now has a view of how. Whether you like it or not. Yeah, just by the way, the average person takes the Biden crime. The New York Times was one of the many outlets that suggested you were actually one of the people imploring him to stay in the race when others were telling him to get out. Complete. You turned up. Okay, complete lie. There's testimony from the chief of staff, Jeff Zients, that you turned up to White House meetings, even though you were not appointed to anything. You were not even Ivanka Trump, who at least had a job. One day, on that weekend, when that happened, I flew to Camp David to be with them. With my dad. But you were in a White House meeting. No, listen, so I flew to Camp David to be with my dad, and literally after that debate, you went into that weekend, and it was July 4th, and we flew there also because there was a scheduled photo shoot for the whole family with Annie Leibowitz, you know, it was a big deal. Okay? So, we're all there. So, remember on that weekend, what happened also was the Supreme Court came down with the immunity decision as it relates to the thing. And so, I was there having in-depth discussions with my dad, like I would, because I'm his son, about the-- There was a warning that he was also supposed to White House staff, was that probably-- In the immunity decision. And he got his staff on the phone to say, "How are we going to respond to this immunity decision?" And I was-- The chief of staff thought it was unusual. He went to Congress and it was unusual to have you there. No, because it was. It was completely unusual. It never happened before. Okay. But-- Oh, 100%. I was in the room with my dad in the living room. He put everybody in the staff and-- And you were not imploring him to stay in the races and-- It had nothing to do with the race. So, my point is this, is that the reason that they were discussing-- they were discussing the immunity decision at that time. Okay. And they were going back and whether the question was, "Should he give the response to the Supreme Court from behind the desk of the-- of the resident or in the cross hall?" What was your own in that? What? On the team. What's your role in that? Oh, I was just listening to the debate. And I said-- Okay. And here's what I said. Get ready. Okay. I said you should do it from behind the resolute. Wow. Controverted. Dad, you should do it behind the resolute. I think it's just a bit clear. But just to be clear, you did not urge him to stay in the race. You were not a big voice. Absolutely not. I said, "Dad, you do whatever you want to do, and I'm behind you." Quick thing I've got to ask. And I still live. People who felt betrayed about your father's health included George Clooney, who you've spoken about before. I thought he would act to it. Democrats don't want him. It does a few things. It's good. Made a few TV shows here and there. He wrote New York Times op-ed saying, "Not the Joe Big Fucking Deal Biden of 2010," he said. You've taken issue with that as a loyal son. You said, "This is what you said about George Clooney last year. Fuck you. What right do you have to step on a man who's given 52 years of his life?" You're lying to say that. What right do you have to step on a man who's given 52 years of his life to the service of this country?" George Clooney might say, "I'm the guy who raised $50 million for your father in 2020 and 2024. Had backed your dad. I campaigned for your dad. I fundraise for your dad. New York Times op-ed calling your dad a hero. I do have a right to end my concerns. Does he know?" Sure. Look, here's my, I've said this before and I mean it and George Clooney has since kind of made some kind of snarky replies to obviously my criticism about, well, you know, good luck in your recovery and things like that and kind of implying that, you know, whatever. Here's the deal. George Clooney is a spectacular actor. He's an incredibly loyal Democrat and he's done great things for the party. Beyond that, I know George Clooney by virtue of the people that I know in common with him to be an incredibly generous and kind friend and to really take care of the people in his orbit and not just big stars but normal people going back to Kentucky, okay? And by all accounts, he's an incredibly decent person that cares deeply about the same issues that I do. You know what? I still have a right to be able to be mad at him for the way that he went about doing it. That's right to speak out. You accept it. He was doing it in good faith. I never said that he didn't have a right to say it. I have a criticism by the way that he did it. I didn't say you're not allowed to do anything. You know why I didn't do that, Maddie? Okay. Is this? Because who the fuck am I? Who the fuck am I? The way that you went about it, calling yourself a friend and going out in front without ever, you know, making the phone call internally is I think wrong. And I just, that's, you know, I come from an old school of this. If you call yourself a friend, you pick up the phone. You said in a recent interview that you think Kamala Harris is, quote, not a very good politician. Harris was given only 107 days by your dad to try and win an election. It's $2 billion. He stayed loyal to him throughout. When he told her on the day of the debate against Trump, no day like kid between them. She stuck to that when she went on the view and they said, what would you have done differently to Joe Biden? She said, nothing comes to mind. In that moment, I thought she's gonna lose this election. She needs to break with Joe Biden. I would argue that cost of the presidency. She refused to break with your dad, stayed loyal with him till the end, cost herself the presidency. And many would say, "Here, you are throwing her under the bus," saying she's not a very good politician. - Oh, boy. - Sometimes the way that you lead up to these questions is to think that Hayton is it, you know, I just think that the way that she's handled it, what does that mean? I don't understand that. - Well, 'cause she's done better. - Here's what I also like to say about the vice president. - I think the vice president was served the country incredibly well and that she has a deep rich future in politics, whether she wants to run for president again, she'll be one of the, if not the front runner. - But she's not a very good politician, no. - And I think that the way that she is going about it right now is at least from my perspective. I'm looking for some details, what does that mean? - Well, I think this is that I think that there has, I think that this administration, unlike you, I don't think that she should have ever been any daylight between, she can make daylight between herself and my dad, but not in terms of what they were able to accomplish over that four year period. I think that there may be daylight as issues related to Gaza and as it relates to Israel, that of course she needs to be able to stake her own ground on. - She did? - Well, that hadn't had anything to do with my dad. It didn't have any-- - You didn't have any to-- - No daylight, a kid? - Nothing to do with loyalty to my dad. From my perspective, but here's the thing, is this, is that, you know what? She's a free agent now. I'm Hunter Biden. I get to think whatever the hell that I want to think about anybody, it doesn't have to do with my dad. - You'll see if she wanted to say whatever she wanted to say now, she couldn't say in the race. - Quite possibly, no, I'm saying I get to. I get to have an opinion. - No, no, that's why you're here. I like your opinion, but I'm asking why do you think she's not a very good politician? - Well, she was so loyal to your dad and she'd do this and that and the other thing. - Well, maybe from your perspective, but maybe not from mine. - How is she not loyal to your dad? - That's between me and her. - You can't just-- - I can't, sure I can, you know what? - You know why I can? Because I ain't running for anything, Betty. - I can say whatever the fuck I want. - All right, so let me just-- - What kind of language is that? - Let me just rephrase, or you were just joking. - Let me just rephrase that then, or re-clarify that. You're saying that people say Kamala Harris is loyal to your dad. You shouldn't therefore attack her. You're saying you don't think she was loyal to your dad, but you're not gonna tell her-- - No, no, no, no, no. You don't get to re-clarify that. Let me just say that exactly clearly. I think that she was loyal to my father, and I don't think that she was loyal to a fault, however. And I think that-- - I think right now, her recent appearances that I've seen, and what she's trying to distance herself from my dad, the things that she wrote in her book, that were not loyal in any way. And so there is not like this-- - Look what she feels like. - The administration wasn't loyal to her, and they didn't support her enough. - You know that. - Yeah, she had that in her book. - Okay, yeah, you know what? It's a lot like any vice president, in the history of the United States, except for my dad and Joe Biden, his relationship with Obama. That's the only relationship I can see. - That's being reported that your dad wasn't happy about Barack Obama coming and calling him vice president. - Okay, let's not get into that. We have a time for that. We're gonna run out of time. But by the way, on the good, bad politician, my own visa Kamala Harris is a complicated bet, you could argue it's a good politician who's distancing herself from Biden, 'cause you can't win in 2020. - I disagree with you. - If you're carrying the money-- - I disagree. - Think about one of those issues you mentioned, Gaza. You have come out quite forcefully against Israel's war in Gaza, rightfully, in my view, calling it a genocide, a calling Benjamin Netanyahu, evil incarnate. When did you decide for yourself that it was a genocide? Was it while your father was still in the White House or after he left? - This is an hour of conversation, okay? And so if you wanna have like an hour of conversation about it, I'm more than willing to. I will say this, is that my dad, when he calls himself a Zionist, comes from a tradition-- - Can we come to it on a second? Can you just answer my quick question? - Yeah, I am. - I'm going, I'm getting it, okay? - Is this? It comes from a tradition of Zionism, the Zionism of Tidor Herzl, in that coined the term Zionism in 1896, okay? After the Dreyfus affair in France, in which the level of anti-Semitism became dangerous for an entire population, which is the same experience that Jews have had for 2,500 years. - Understood. - Because we don't have an hour for this, I'm gonna ask you to-- - But by the way, I understand-- - We'll talk about by in a second, about Joe Biden. - Okay. - I'm just asking a factual question. When did you come to the position that it's a genocide? Was it when he was president or after he left the office? - When the numbers reflected that. - So, I don't know what it is. - Okay, I mean, roughly when did you say, you know what's happening in Gaza, it's a genocide? - I do, I don't have a date. - You don't have a date? - I believe so. - Okay. - Yeah. And in November, when Netanyahu torpedoed another deal for the hostages, in which they had worked tirelessly to try to get the remainder of the hostages out. It had several deals that Netanyahu and the Likud government completely destroyed in order to wait until Trump became president. - Yes, I agree. - Is that that's what I knew that this government, the Israeli government being this government, had no intention to do in any way act in any way other than they have showed themselves to be. - You've said that, I watched your interview with my good friend, Wajah Ali, recently, and you said in that interview that you believe your father, Joe Biden, agrees with you that Israel is committing a genocide and agrees with you that Netanyahu is evil. - Oh, I don't know if I said the word genocide. - I did say that, I did say that. - You said I will call it a genocide. You said I think BB Netanyahu is evil in Karnay, as it relates to my dad's position on this, I think he believes all the things that I just said. - Yeah, you're right. And so I don't, that's a, you're looking back. Because I don't understand how Joe Biden could agree with you. - Okay, no, so he's publicly said it's not a genocide. - I will say this, is that I do not speak for my father and that was not fair of me to say. I know what I believe as it relates to it. I do believe that maybe he wouldn't use the word genocide because of, and I think he's wrong, not to. - And what about when he said, I love you. I love him, Benjamin Netanyahu. He said in December 2023, in the middle of this genocide. You're calling him evil in Karnayahu. Your dad says I love him. - He doesn't, you know for certain that they hate each other. I love him. - I love him and he's in a tough spot. December 21, 2023 remarks. - I think that's my, I think that's a euphemism that my dad is using at that point. - But by the way, because you could just go to the-- - They go back like 40 years. - Yeah, and BB Netanyahu has a picture of my dad signed behind him on his desk and what's at the inscription is. - Yes. - BB, I love you, but I don't agree with the damn thing you have to say. - I'm focused on the love you part. If he's evil in Karnayahu, why does your dad love someone? - I think that that's a euphemism. - Let's think about the reference. - Let's do policy. - Do you think my dad actually loves BB Netanyahu? - I don't know. - That's why I ask you. - I can promise you he doesn't. - Okay, let me ask you. - And I can promise you that I think that he thinks he's one of the singularly worst thing that has happened to people. - He's a presidency refusing to break with Netanyahu. He gave him a bear hug and stuck with it. And I just want to ask you about policy because you said you don't speak for a father. - He gave him a bear hug on October 14th. - And then in policy terms for two years. - Okay. - So let me ask you the question. Because you said you don't speak for your dad. Speak for yourself then. You say it's a genocide. - I'm going to start speaking for you. - Yeah, you can speak for me, my family, et cetera. And yet in the first year of that genocide that we both agree is a genocide, the worst crime of all, Joe Biden in his administration, Anthony Blinken sent over $18 billion of weapons to Israel. They bypassed Congress twice to send extra ammo and weapons. The Israeli ambassador to the US at the time said, and I quote, well he said later, but he was the ambassador at the time. God did the state of Israel a favor that Biden was the president during this period. He added your father, quote, never came to us and said cease fire now. Regardless of what he says, through his actions, he was Israel's best friend. And that genocide could not have happened without him. You disagree? - I don't know, many. It's really hard thing to grapple with. And I'll be honest with you, is that I will not, and don't ever intend to, defending everything that my dad's administration did, particularly as it relates to this policy. - Yes. - I can't tell you this, though. It was done in good faith and not without an enormous amount of heartache over watching what the Israelis then went on and did with our help and with his administration's help. It's painful to me. And I will tell you this, is that, you know, and I know that this is gonna get clipped and everybody's gonna think, I think that this is my point about the nuances of this. I think that there are legitimate definitions of Zionism that don't include a Christian fascist Zionism, that don't include an orthodox Zionism, Israeli Zionism. - But I understand that. - And so my point is that I think that my dad's position on Israel is very, very rooted in his generational-- - I understand. - Yeah, okay. - But actually, you were doing something you didn't wanna do. You're speaking for him, I'm not asking you to speak for him. - No, no, no, no, I'm not speaking for him. - I'm saying, do you believe that that genocide could have happened with that $18 billion of weapons that your dad sent? - Of course not. - Diplomatic cover. - Well, maybe not, of course not. I don't know. I don't know. - But he was complicit in that. - Okay, the administration would joke, 'cause you raised a common Harris issue. You said she doesn't defend policy. I'm giving you a clear policy. That was a bad policy. You're agreeing, you're saying I'm not gonna defend your dad. If I were running for president, okay? The way that I would answer this question is this, is that it's incredibly nuanced, and I think that we all create an atmosphere watching it. They're really amazing. is we expect a single answer. I do not know, Maddie, I don't know. - Can you condemn it? - I do know this. I 100% can condemn it. - You would say what your dad did was wrong to send weapons to Jim Engerman Network. - Well, no, I think that let me put it this way. Come, Maddie. - This is really you having fun. - The first time in the interview, we took it for any 45 minutes, he sounded like a politician. (laughing) - Okay, in hindsight, it was wrong. - In hindsight, the time you weren't telling your dad not to do it. - And no, not in that. - You tell me a moment ago that he went to the White House to give him a device on which desk to sit behind. - No, I did not go to the White House to give him a device. - You often happen to be sitting in the living room of a room on which I would spend the weekend with my dad. - I'm being snuck in saying you're willing to tell him which desk to sit behind, but you never comes up in two years. - That's not true. - To say he's dead early. - Why the fuck are you sending $18 billion weapons to an evil Benjamin Netanyahu? - No, I didn't. - You regret not doing that? You might have had an impact on him. - Yeah, I guess so. But here's the thing, is I didn't, because I never involved myself in those things, not because I don't care about them deeply on a personal level, is because it is improper for me as his son to sit and say, should I pick up the phone and call Jake Tapper? Should I pick up the phone and call Tony Blinken? And should I pick up the phone and call my dad? What influence do I have other than this? What information in terms of the classified information of what was happening with Hamas? I just think this is that I knew this. It weighed heavily and it was the thing. - So this is why I want to push back on. - Yeah. - A lot of people do not think it weighed heavily on Joe Biden. I want you to persuade them. - I'll give you an example. - No, but I'm giving you an example. You just asked me, let me answer. Your father was a man known for his empathy. He was called the Comforter and Chief. You spoke to Don Lemonry, so I watched the interview. Don said that Joe Biden called him in 2018 when his sister died, personally called him. People have so many stories about his empathy. And yet he never seemed to have any empathy for the Palestinian people. That is the view of multiple people around him. That's the view of a Palestinian doctor who went to the White House, showed him pictures of dead kids. She said Biden was dismissive. Kamala Harris says, his remarks about innocent Palestinians came off as inadequate and forced. She said, I don't understand why he couldn't show empathy to Palestinians the way he showed it to Ukrainians. Why doesn't Joe Biden have empathy for Palestinians? - I don't think that's true. Maybe, I really don't. I know, because I know personally, does it? - When the desk call came out, he went on TV and said, I don't trust the Palestinian numbers. That's the outrageous thing to say on to. - Yeah, okay. - Notice that how that hurts so many millions of Palestinian Americans. - Many, I get it. And I get how important this issue is to you. And it's that important to me, and I totally agree. And I think it's a failure. - You understand the anger. - And I understand the anger, and I deeply understand the anger over. I 100% do. And it's not something that I've-- - You spend a lot of time online, and I know you do. - Online. - You spend a lot of time on social media. I've seen you tweeting. - Oh yeah. - I'm just gonna give you an example. Do you know when your dad's diagnosis came out of that cancer? A lot of people, I'm sure, reached out to you and said, this is awful. A lot of people were feeling very sad that this happened to Joe Biden. I saw a lot of Palestinian Americans point out that you know what? There was one cancer hospital in Gaza, and it got bombed on Joe Biden's watch by Israel with American weaponry. Now, no one's justifying cancer, obviously. But do you understand the hurt and pain of people who had to go through that, witnessed that? And they-- - Betty, why do you think I heard that? - And having this discussion. - In all these discussions. - I don't know, I don't know, I think that's what my point is this. Yeah. - It took knowledge. - Technology. Beyond acknowledged. Look, I've been willing to-- I called his son, Piker. Okay. You know what our son said when my dad got into the cancer? He said that he hopes he dies a horrible, horrible death that's far worse than cancer. - Cool. - And you know what? I picked up the phone recently and called his son. He said, look, I know what you said about my dad. I know that you, in some way, defended me. And I know that you've said outrageous things. But you know what? I'd be willing to talk to you, because I understand the rage. Because you know, in some ways, not even remote as it relates to a bombing of a cancer hospital, in the death of 23,000 innocent Palestinian children, not even remotely as it relates to the death of close to 100,000 innocent Palestinians, not Hamas members of Palestinians right now, not even remotely to the idea of what the Jared Kushner and Donald Trump are doing now, and they're going to turn Gaza into a golf quarter, or what's happening on the West Bank, or 40 years of oppression, not even remotely. But you know what? That rage is in me. That rage is in me because of the way in which I was treated, but not that there's no-- I'm not making a comparison. - But you understand. My point is, is that if I expect grace from other people, for my own story, I am willing to give grace to people who have a righteous indignation over this issue in particular. And so for you, I 100% get it. I don't have an explanation, Maddie. I certainly know this. Is that I had no control over it, but I do know this. - Is that my dad's empathy does extend there. And he may not have shown it, and that may be true. And I'm not going to, and I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise. I can tell you what I feel right now. - And I appreciate that. - Is this? Is that, where's the solution now? - Unfortunately, Donald Trump has been much worse as we thought he would be. One last question on Gaza, which is, do you accept a little bit? - Do you accept that Kamala Harris lost partly because of Gaza? - Yeah, I think that you could come up with a lot of partly, but yeah, I 100%. - And do you think that Kamala Harris's policy in Gaza would have been any different? - I don't know. - I'm told by people who are around that it would have been, probably we don't know. - I don't know. - Do you accept that she didn't lose her dad would have lost? - Oh, I think my dad would win. - That's insane. - The polls completely disagree. - We don't have time to get into that. - Let me tell you this. - Is this? I know this. Is my dad got 81 million votes in 2020? He's got more votes than anybody in 2022. - Yeah, in 2020, he would. - Yeah, exactly. - In 24, he was behind the polls. - And I'll tell you this too. Is this? Of course, I believe my dad would win. He's my dad. - I'm fair enough, yeah. - Okay, if you put it that way, you've spoken about grace, which I really appreciate, and about forgiveness in other interviews. Are there people in your life who you are still seeking forgiveness from? - Oh, yeah, 100 percent. And that's between me and them, and I'm not going to go through them. - You don't have to go through them, but I'm going to ask a question about one of them, which is Bo's widow, Holly. - Yeah. - You had an affair with Walsh who was still married to your first wife, Kathleen? - No, that's not true. - But anyways, what's been reported fair? - My question is a lot about that. My question is, during your gun trial in 2024, Halley Biden testified about her own struggle with addiction. And she said that you introduced her to crack cocaine when you two were dating. How much is that way on you? But you got someone else addicted to crack, not just yourself. - It is the ultimate weight that you could possibly imagine is that the way in which my addiction tore apart not only my own life, but even more awfully my entire family's life was biblical. And every day, while I sit here and am incredibly grateful for my recovery, is that the amends that will never be enough. Never be enough. I say this all the time. I get to come out here and feel emboldened and empowered and certain in my recovery and confident of who I am as a person and all my gratitude and everything like that. But the destruction I left in the wake of my addiction, particularly for that two-year period of time between 2016 and 2019, three years, was epic. And some people may never forgive me. And that's okay, because I wouldn't forgive them. But the only thing that I can do is offer my amends. - And you have to hold these people. - And then yes, and not only that, is that when they don't accept it, I can't become resentful about it, because that is the only poison to an addict. Is that I have to accept it and let it go. And do only one thing that I can do is make what we call a living amends, is try to do the next right thing. And the next right thing for me today is coming to talk to you. So I could say that on camera. - Well, I appreciate you doing that. There are some people you're clearly still mad at. We just talked about George Clooney and Jake Tapper. - I mean, I didn't, I said such nice things about George. - Yeah, you're mad at them still. What's interesting is there are other people you've forgiven. And you mentioned Hassan Piker and going on his podcast. You've been on Candace Owens' show, Tucker Carlson's show. They said way more vicious things about you and your dad than anything, George Clooney or Jake Tapper ever said. They were literally calling for you to be imprisoned. Tucker Carlson called for you to go to jail on Fox. - Trees? - Yes, he suggested you watch child porn at one point. - Yeah. - Now, I watched both interviews that you did with them. And they both apologized to you and said they regretted what you said. - Are you here to apologize to me? - No, I never said anything about you. That wasn't true. And that I don't stand by. I have to go back and watch MSNBC. - What are you saying about the Miami thing? - I was defending your dad. And the, my question is I just don't get it. How come you're so, because by the way, they apologize to you. - What does it get? But they haven't said a word. They said about your, they said some vicious stuff about your mom and dad. And you're like, oh, Candice is a really good person. She's thoughtful and generous. - She did to me. - She did privately? Because an interview, she didn't mention your parents at all. - No, she did. - We were talking about your mother and absolute monster. - But we didn't have any discussion in that interview. It was all about me and that interview. of you. So you accept to share apologies to your family. You're clearly a family guy, so I'm just wondering. Here's what I would like to say. Is this? Is it Hassan hasn't apologized to me for what he said, OK? But I went on and defended him, as it relates to some things, it's getting harder and harder to defend sometimes, by the way, really hard to defend. But all I know is this, is that I get to go and talk to an audience, particularly as it relates to those two people, that are in the millions and millions of people that have been brainwashed by some of the things that they said on behalf of the MAGA movement, and they have now at least woken up to certain things. They have now at least woken up to their opposition tonight. But by the way, I get to talk to them. Regardless of how they're woken up. You also praised them a lot, too. Oh, what-- I'm like, you know, what you do. They've done it. They've spread a lot of evil and barred on this world. You're a type of critical of my mind. I'm just wondering. No, I'm just wondering, because I'm fascinated by how you approach people. We're out of time, but I've got to ask some quick political questions for you. I appreciate you. I thank you for that. I've got to ask some quick political questions for you for finish. You mentioned Hassan Piker. What do you make of this insane route? He's now the most talked about man in American politics. Meanwhile, Republican extremists are getting away with all sorts of issues. Cheers to what I want to talk about. I want to talk about Mike Rogers, the Republican Senate candidate in the state of Michigan, who is an ultra-magga nut job. Yes. I want to talk about-- I want to talk about Ken Paxton in Texas, who, literally, if you want to talk about corruption and amoralism, let's talk about him. Are you disappointed in the Democratic party? No, because you know why? Because I'm always disappointed in the Democratic party. Particularly now, in the way that happened. I mean, OK. OK, I've said this a long time. I've said this a long time. Gavin. Gavin Newsom J.B. Pritzker. Gavin Newsom J.B. Pritzker. I've said Gavin Newsom J.B. Pritzker. Pritzker. generalization something. I do exact quotes. There's nothing I said it is not. I know. But the exact quotes don't necessarily apply to the context. I mean, you want to hear it at a particular moment. Last question. You told Bill Maher that you will not be running for president. But before we wrap, I could ask. If the Senate seat opened up in Delaware in the future, would you not run for that? You'd walk it as a Biden. Let's be honest. Are you think so? I think the name. I think the Delaware is much more discerning than that. No, I would never. To be a member of the House, no. Here's what I think. I think this is my political answer. I can tell. I 100% have no interest in running for anything right now. I really don't. And the reason is because I can't. I didn't know that. I said in the future. If you're not rolling it out. I literally never roll anything out in my life. Would you hurt for Donald Trump? Oh, you're so cute. Thank you. You can't read. I'm not nervous. I'm delighted. Thank you very much for time. I appreciate you. Thanks for my questions. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.