Meghan Markle's Brand in Free Fall, Amy Griffin's Reputation Rehab, and Selma Blair's Strange Apology, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1441

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday. There is so much going on in the world of culture, including Oprah still promoting Megyn Markle's brand. And you too can get a $535 laundry basket as we continue to learn more details about the disgusting child sexual abuse allegations against her father, Thomas Markle Sr. Plus, why is Dakota Johnson being photographed by the paparazzi so very much lately? It's so strange how they somehow have figured out her entire schedule. Here with me for the full show today, our very favorite Maureen Callahan. She's host of. The Nerve with Maureen Callahan on the MK Media Podcast Network. Go and subscribe on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, or get more of Maureen at thenerveshow.com. Everyone's talking about weight loss injections because the results can be so dramatic. They work by lowering blood sugar and reducing appetite. 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Today's nothing compared to yesterday. Do you only come in the Nor'easters? Weren't you here during the last Nor'easter? You know, I remember when I first started coming to see you in person to do this, one of the first was, there was like a major blizzard. Yes. It was a major blizzard. Even Abby didn't come that day. No. And Steve Krakauer was on the phone with me like, do you want to go in? I was like, the streets are clear. It's fine by me. Whatever MK wants is fine by me. And I remember it was kind of like, I think you and I were probably those both type A students who were like, oh, no, I'll go through this now. I'll go to school. I'll go to, you know. Well, I don't know if I describe myself as a type A student. However, I never miss work for illness unless I am like, you know, 50-50 on whether I belong in the ER. You know, I just don't work. Or I don't miss work because of illness. The only times I've ever missed work because of illness is I was throwing up. But even then, I did that presidential debate while throwing up with Trump, that famous one. With that bucket under your. But if you completely lose your voice, and you went through this over the summer, sometimes you don't have a choice. But I'll do the steroid pack. I will do whatever is within my capacity to make myself function. I was afraid to take the steroid pack. I didn't know until talking to you about it on the other end. It's big. That like it was okay and probably really well. It's big. It's big. It's big. I didn't know what you should do because I've never had that before. Yeah. And it frightened me. You know, I wasn't. Now I know. Now I know. I love it. I love. I don't love getting sick, but I love that six-day steroid pack where you start big and then it weans you. Because you're so awake, you never get anything more done in your life than the week that you were on those steroids. I mean, I've only had it like three or four times. And it's been always in my. Well, my roid rage and my huge muscles may indicate otherwise. But I. That's like the one good thing of getting that illness is you're like, I'm going to be so productive. I'm going to go from feeling terrible to feeling great. I'm going to clean my garage. All those boxes, all the old photographs, everything will be organized and I'll be able to speak again. Okay. There's a lot to go over. We've got to, I think, kick it off with Megan Markle. She's devastated, Maureen, devastated by what's happening with her father, but not so devastated that she cannot appear. On the red carpet at the event in Brussels, she can't speak. It's like the line from Diane Wiest in Bullets Over Broadway. Don't speak. Don't, don't speak. She can't speak, but she can make sure she's photographed just perfectly with the hand at the jawline. This is so natural. This is how you and I walk when we go out. Look, look at this. Look at this. Sure. That's don't we all just casually. We really put our hand up at our jawline as the photographers are going by. So she's not too devastated to be on the red carpet doing these ridiculous poses and clearly speaking to People magazine, which always cites a source close to her who we all know is Megan. This really, this like, this, I feel like hopefully we are end stage Megan Markle exposure. Like if this doesn't ruin her, I don't know what will. I cannot believe she had the gall to show up at an event that was about the, the dangers posed to vulnerable children. You couldn't make this up. Yeah. Right. Shakespeare couldn't craft this kind of a thing. She shows up. Harry speaks. Harry has the gall to speak about how he, when he and his wife decided to get involved with this in 2020. So now he's providing us with a timeline as she did. Oh, I knew in 2019, maybe it was 2018 is 2019. Harry says they decided to get involved. In 2020. So she knew a good one to two years sooner that her father was probably, she was told a child sex molester. That's what she later revealed was in the letter. Oh, that's what. Okay. Yeah. So, so, so she doesn't, again, she is in a rarefied position of power. She can call up anybody. She could have called the white house. She could have called the director of the FBI, the head of the DOJ and said, listen, I have this information. Can you quietly begin? You know, to prevent other children from coming to harm. Then people magazine, which should be ashamed of itself. Ashamed. Ashamed. They are despicable. She's devastated. She's devastated for herself. Like make no mistake. That's the story within. Yes. What about the show? Like not the children. No, she's incapable of it. I, and then when I saw the Oprah thing this morning that Oprah has decided to, okay. The champion of all, you know, children who are about to die. They're abused. Oh, but I'm going to prop this one up who let them feed to the wolves for the past eight years. Is Oprah not a self-professed survivor of childhood sexual abuse or not? Is nothing sacred anymore? It's like this. I would think would be the one thing, the one thing that would be sacred, the sexual abuse of children. They don't give a shit. They don't care. They don't care. We've got to come back to Oprah too, because that's not one, but two people in her orbit who one failed to protect. Child sexual abuse victims, Megan for eight years. And one appears to have made up her claims of having been raped. Both of whom Oprah runs cover for, promotes, pushes on us without acknowledging that one of them has a very high likelihood of being utter bullshit. And the other one is making, you know, professions of being a child, a protector, which are definitely bullshit, which we now know from her herself, Megan Markle, who ran and told us all. She's known. She's known since 18 or 19 that her dad was this thing. And she said nothing clearly to protect her brand. So this is, it's 100% Megan who cooperates with people. They're the only one who will just spew her nonsense. Now on unvarnished, there is zero doubt in my mind that there's no friend. It's fucking her. And this, so I, I think, I think it's interesting because you get to read what Megan Markle wants you to think. So great. Okay. This is the closest we're going to get to her giving an actual interview. So people's headline is she is devastated. She is leaving. Leaning on her family and focusing on protecting Archie and Lily, a source close to Megan. She's devastated. This is her dad, someone she grew up trusting and was very close with for many years. The allegations are devastating for her. There is a lot of sadness. She's holding up. She has a lot of friends and family to lean on. My note is my note. Three question marks. Who specifically like Harry? We all know she has no friends and no family. So I don't know what that's about. And then they say, oh, they, they want us to know Doria. Her, her mom is assisting authorities and identifying Thomas Markle in these photographs. And that Megan is prepared to cooperate with authorities. Why would they need her? They needed her eight years ago, Maureen. They needed her eight years ago. They still need to talk to her. She is a person. She's a, she's a potential witness to whatever was going on. In that house. So she's devastated and she's protecting Lily and Archie. She is not racked with guilt. She is not asking herself why she didn't come forward sooner. She slung jam four hours after her father was arrested. Like she could not help herself. She had to get, she had to push out four hours after her father is arrested. Yeah. For possessing child sexual abuse material. I'm sure you read the documents that I read. You know, that image of him that's in there. Yeah. There's no question. Witness one in the FBI affidavit is clearly Thomas Markle Jr. Witness. to is clearly Doria. The FBI wants to talk to Meghan Markle, but she has told the FBI they have to fly to her. She will not come back to the United States to speak to them. What a humanitarian, Meghan. She has a mansion in Montecito. Like why? How is it so hard? And by the way, so she goes to this Brussels event and says, I was supposed to speak, but I can't. I'm not strong enough. I'm not strong. She is strong enough to make sure that her long black trench coat got posted on her find my for the fashion accessories that she makes money off of. If you buy it, that went up within hours of her appearance, it was $685. And she made sure that that she's strong enough for that. And for the paparazzi photos, but not to speak Maureen, that's that would have been a bridge too far. This is all bullshit. She would have loved to have spoken at that thing. She just knew that it would look bad. She finally got a clue what would look bad for her. Well, you know, I was talking, Rob shooter about this on the nerve at night. And his reporting is that the, um, organizers of the event asked them not to come that after the stroke and the, the, the, the deal they brokered because you can, they will not be stopped. Nothing, not the, the years long sexual abuse of children allegedly reportedly can stop these two. So the deal they brokered was Megan just won't speak. Oh, that's amazing. We'll speak. That makes so much more sense that she didn't actually see reason. She was told don't come at all. And the compromise position was, please let us come, but Harry will do the talk, the talking, but he is just as complicit as she is. There's no way she knew and didn't tell him. He has a lot to answer for too. And, and here in the people magazine piece, she has planted. I believe Megan was advised by a Royal protection officer, not to speak publicly about the allegations, according to a source familiar with the situation, even as she was assured, she says being investigated. So there she goes again, she was advised not to speak publicly about the allegations and was assured they were being investigated. How does, does she think this is going to work on anyone other than the dumbest consumer? And nobody thinks an investigation of any kind takes eight years to resolve. Either they investigated and moved on or they investigated and decided he was not guilty, but there's no way. They were investigating for eight years, which she would know she's not a total idiot. She went to Northwestern. She's got to have at least two nickels to rub together in between those years. So this is more lies. Absolutely. I don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth. Interestingly enough, the, uh, the Met police cannot identify said officer. Yeah. Where'd he go? He's somewhere with Stedman Graham buried in a fresh pile of dirt. Where's that guy? Stedman. Where is that guy? Um, secondly, has Meghan Markle ever done what she has told? Yeah. She wouldn't listen to the Royal family. She wouldn't listen to the queen. She has never done what she has told. She is a renegade, a champion for women and children. Yet she stood by and allowed a man. The implication is this was a man to silence her. What? Yeah. When children were being molested, get out. It's not like the stakes were high or anything like that. No, not at all. The only, the only two she protected lived in her Montecito mansion. She did not give a shit. About the other children in the Philippines, in Mexico, or right back here in America. We don't know that his nonsense started, um, stopped when he returned stateside. I mean, granted he's missing a leg now, but he's been living in America for the past year. So like, what did she do to protect anyone other than Archie and Lilibet? That's the thing. She's done nothing. Now the question is, what does she do next? Because she is not capable of even comporting herself with the, with her parents. She's done nothing. She's done nothing. She's done nothing. She's done nothing. She's done nothing. She's done nothing. She's done nothing. She's done nothing. She's done nothing. Number one, number two, don't hijack an event for children who have suicided over online bullying. Allow the parents of those children, their moment. This, this circus is all anybody's talking about. I don't understand why these organizations, be they private or public funded, just don't tell them. No, it's a no, it's a no. If you show up, we will not let you in. There's, there's absolutely no net plus to having these two associated with anything, anyone, any organization. We'll mock you. We'll mock you. If you invite them to speak at your let's protect children, especially online event, these two in the wake of these allegations, we're going to mock you, which is what we did. And I'm sure you guys did because they, this event is about, um, online predators who will engage in, like, um, giving, getting your kid to send like a naked photo of himself. And then they get bullied to death or a chat GPT that can like, you know, potentially bully your child into devastating events. There've been lawsuits against many of these companies alleging that kind of thing. How, how is using the internet to buy and download naked pictures of fucking toddlers like any better? It's not the exact cup of tea, but it is the online exploitation and abuse of children. So it's basically the same thing, which is one of the main things. That's the, that is the one charge that he's facing right now in Florida or in California. I can't remember Florida. So the charges are in California. Um, and yet the allegations seem to include actual molestation of children as well. It's the same thing as my point. That's what they're having. Once digital. Yes. Same thing. Yes. So like, where is the sensitivity of these event organizers? They ought to be held to task. They really should. They, I would be furious. If I was one of those parents, I'd be inflamed. Are you kidding me? This stink of a circus is coming to town. Like the, the memory of my child is now completely erased by these two and their need for, you know, there's this image going around of, of Megan this morning on social media. She does this thing when she spies a camera, she was standing in between, first of all, she and Harry walked in like the cowards they are on a red carpet. This is a red carpet event for them. Yep. This is what this is. They walked in surrounded on either side by a handler so that they were insulated by the media who were invited to cover this. There it is. Yes. So that, so, so don't, don't dare ask them a pertinent question such as what the fuck are you two doing here? Yeah. How dare you show your faces? And by the way, she absolutely did not have to be here in this photo shot or on camera with Harry at all. She could have entered through the side. She could have not shown her face. She could have been backstage. She didn't have to walk the red carpet. You and I have both been at many of these events. If you don't want to walk the red carpet, you don't have to. She wanted her photo up. It's all, it's all. I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. DeMille. Now children may have been harmed in the making of this motion picture. However, I am ready for my closeup. Look at what she's wearing, right? This theatrical covered up neck down, all black. He's got his remembrance day poppy on. She's cosplaying as Catherine, princess of Wales over the weekend. Who was dressed the same way. The devastation on the face. Look at the quiet devastation. Yep. And by the way, that's like what's on the cover of people magazine, which I guarantee you, she worked with as well. Look at this. I'm just going to hit my angle just perfectly. And the thing with the hand on the face is in a few of these shots, there's like one of her just looking straight onto camera. She always can find that lens, Maureen. She knows how to work those cameras. She's like, let's, let's make sure the pictures are good. Okay. First and foremost, the pictures must be good. It's just like the, the, the pander is a bit much and that, oh yeah, to correct myself, the coach you were was $695. Uh, so people can go and buy that if they want. In fact, what's happening online is people are commenting. This is horrific. How are you pimping your $700 code with the allegations around your father that you knew about and were complicit on keeping quiet of? Um, and then, uh, there's this, the Oprah endorsement. Of her stupid, is it a, they said they were calling it a laundry basket, but online it's, it's dubbed a small wicker basket. And for the low, low price of $535, look at this thing. You can get a card set, a leather notebook, coasters, two candles, and a match box, like matches. Two candles. Matches, coasters, a leather notebook, and a card set for $535. That's, that's what Oprah is choosing to push on us. By the way, you could also get one of Megan's chocolate advent calendars for $148. I can get a beautiful one of really good chocolate at the CVS for like 25. You can, you can. I wonder what Megan's got on Oprah. I really do. Why? Why does Oprah feel that this is something she needs to endorse? I think Megan probably did approach her about maybe doing another sit down. Oh, this was the consolation prize, perhaps. And this, I think was the consolation prize. I can't reputationally do that, Megan. You really screwed the pooch last time. You really fucked me over on that last time. I can't do it. Do you know something maybe that I would rather not? I don't know. It makes no sense. Nobody wants to sit down and talk with her. You would think this would be the biggest interview of the year because we've been talking for a long time. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't We know what's coming next. And I'm just going to be sacrilegious. and say it. She's going to say she was a victim of abuse. None of us are going to buy it. And even if she's convincing in some way, none of us will feel sorry for her because she is this despicable. If she, a real victim, a real victim would be so, would have their PTSD so stoked up by all of this becoming public and be so panicked that their own experience as a child was going to be pushed out before they were ready. That's what a real victim, I think, would comport themselves as. They wouldn't be like looking for the nearest camera at that Brussels event. There's a moment where nobody's talking to her. Harry is talking to some functionary there and she's looking around and she just starts talking to herself to make it look as though she's involved in a conversation. Like she's out of her mind. She's not insane, but she's there. Oh, my other theory about this whole thing of like, I am a purveyor of and a tastemaker. I curate, I am classy. You want to be like me, right? It's all projection. It's all, it's all major overcompensation. She comes from this trashy, trashy, trashy family. Big time. It now makes sense to me why she sat with Oprah and was slinging mud at the royals who had done nothing but try to welcome her. I think it was like massive projection. Yes. Yes. You're going to find out about my family sooner or later. You are. So I'm going to get ahead of this and look over here. Yeah. They're the despicable ones. Exactly. Exactly. Well, um, I, I won't repeat it because I can't remember exactly what he's been saying, but Tom Bauer, who's a great Royal biographer and literally wrote the book on her has revealed a lot about her mother, Doria, none of which is flattering, none of which, um, and like some really shocking allegations. And, um, so that's the mother. And then obviously the mother wouldn't be this perfect picture of mental health and like, you know, goodness in the way that Megan would have her portrayed and have been married to that man for 10 years. I'm sorry, but like people attract for a reason. I'm not saying like every woman who's married to a bad man is also bad, but 10 years is a long time. And Doria had her own long list of problems, which is why Megan's also trying to make sure in this people magazine article, I believe it's Megan. Oh, Doria's cooperating. She's cooperating. Okay. So what are the odds that the first wife Rosalyn loveless knew, but Doria had no idea. She didn't know it all. Like I want more questions asked of her. What, what did she know? And when did she know it? And was Megan really informed about all this? By the loveless letter or by her own mom at some point. Um, cause I just find it very tough to believe you could be married to a child molester for 10 years, alleged he denies it or a child porn connoisseur and not have any inkling. And this stuff was clearly important to him. If there's anything true about these allegations, because he had like a warehouse of it in the Philippines, in Rosarito, Mexico, and in LA, where according to the sun in LA, he wouldn't let anybody get into those storage facilities, but he held onto them and he kept paying the bill. Right. He, that stuff was important to him. He knew he was going to go back to it at some point. Agreed. Now, is it possible that he was smart enough to keep all of that material offsite out of the house? Yes. That's very possible. Right. Um, you know, there are often there, there are women who, you know, we saw this most recently with the Gilgo beach serial killer. They have no idea. They re they really don't. Yeah. Um, but I just think that's a different thing. Like I, I actually think I have an easier time believing you could be married to a serial killer and not know then married to a child sexual predator and not know, because this guy, he, it seems like he was downloading hordes of pictures of prepubescent children. And how could you live with such a person for 10 years and not know you share the same computers. Every wife looks at her husband's phone. I mean, we all look at each other's timeline of when they divorced. I'm not clear on where technology was when they divorced, you know, is it cruder than right? Like when we all had flip phones and nobody was texting, that could be the other thing that, um, if now looking at things through the lens of what we do know, I recently saw, I think it was on the daily mail, the wedding photo of Thomas and Doria and Doria looks like she's like 12 years old. She's like 20. She's like 23, but she presents like a child in much the same way. Thomas Markle Jr's girlfriend in the Philippines presents like a child, even though she's of age. Yeah, but she does. I thought she was a child when I first saw the pictures. I mean, to this moment, I don't know whether she's like a short adult or a tall midget. It's, but it's, it's that, it's that loophole that sexual predators can use where if they're really attracted to, to prepubescence, if they find one that, that presents like a child, but is of age, you know, it's like, that's a jackpot because they're legal, but they remind you of the illicit thing that you actually want. It's just so sick. And it really is amazing. If you think about, you know, there, here's the picture. Look at that. I'm so, it's just very strange, very strange. Um, though the Philippine police who had originally, well, not originally, but like midway through this controversy said, we also suspect Thomas Markle Jr. came out and said, we apologize to him. We're wrong about that, that he, and I think this girlfriend or certainly his girlfriend have been hosting a bunch of children at their house and flashes have been going off and so on. But the Philippine police say that they spoke with the girlfriend and those were her younger siblings. I think they said, and she was doing like Facebook, social media. I don't know, Maureen, the whole thing, the whole family seems extremely sketchy. What grown adults are hosting girls, minor girls who they are not related to into their home. Well, it might be her relatives. I don't, I can't remember what they said in the clarification. I did read it the other day, but I think it might, might be her siblings. My team is going to look it up, but still the whole, like they all seem sketchy. I mean, and I have a hard time believing that the son knew nothing about this. And only when he had the falling out with the, with senior, did he suddenly stumble upon the cash of, of photos to reveal it all? Like, I don't know what, and the daughter, Samantha, she's like, I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on. Who's like standing by him. That's sketchy as hell too. Like, what does she know? There's, well, he also cut his ankle monitor off. He cut it off at like 1 45 AM. After like getting the gift of getting ROR on this charge. Which was totally compassionate, right? Because you're the worst of the, your society's worst, unless you're a family annihilator. Yes. And they let him go home. Yes. And they learned the hard way not to do that. Rose told cops, her younger siblings aged 11, 14, 16, and 17 are regular visitors to her, visitors to her and Markle Jr. at the property, as well as a young three-year-old niece. Rose also told officers she often uses a ring light inside the house to film her own social media content and handed them at least 10 videos of her siblings dancing at the house. It's a little weird. It's just, it is a little weird. I don't, I don't know. It's, Hmm. Yeah. If you discover that your American boyfriend's father, who is the father of one of the most famous women in the world, has been arrested for possession of child sexual abuse material on two continents in three countries, maybe I would not have my young female relatives coming over anymore. Maybe I would be moving out. Yeah. I understand it's rough in the Philippines. I do, but it's so, the whole thing is so creepy and it's, can you imagine, like, can I just, where was the vetting by the royal family? You know, like, didn't anybody take a little bit of a deep dive? Because I would, I would think, you know, like I know some blue blood families in Philadelphia that would investigate a potential bride more than the royal family seems to have done of Meghan Markle. And these, I mean, the whole family is, you know, they're definitely not exactly royal. Let's say that. And on top of that, there's a lot of people who are, you know, on top of that, this scandal was known by the first wife. Like if you were really going to vet your, you know, son's future wife, that would be the perfect person to go. The first thing you do is start talking to people's exes. This is another reason why I want to know what Doria knew. How did the first wife know everything, but the second wife didn't know anything and they were married for 10 years. I'm not trying to accuse Doria of being complicit, but I do have serious questions for her. I really do. I know like the headline, thanks to Meghan is she's a cooperating. She's cooperating. Okay. You know, who really cooperated? Rosalyn Loveless, who actually wrote a letter to you and to the police and said, Hey, everybody should know this guy is this thing 10 years ago, almost. And your mom, Meghan, and you seem to have kept your mouths shut to protect your brand. You didn't want anything fucking up the wedding. That's exactly right. Meghan had to get over that finish. It was like a race against time. Yeah. She had to lock that down. Get a kid, pop out a kid, or allegedly reportedly get a kid. And then, you know, then, then, uh, with the passage of time and, you know, we're in the firmament now and, you know, it's harder to get rid of her than to keep her and all of that. You know, you break a few eggs, Meghan, I guess. Wow. Break a few eggs. Good luck with that, Harry. I mean, there, I don't know who's more mentally unwell, but I will say, Some of this does explain how diabolical she is. You know, she has a very troubled background, far more troubled than we knew. And to suggest that didn't rub off on her, I don't, you never hear the story about the child molester who was really all totally together and like a really great person with no dysfunction. So that's what she grew up with. I mean, even in the People Magazine article, the friend, the source close to her is saying, this is her dad, someone she grew up trusting and was very close to for many years. She described herself as a daddy's girl. I mean, the number of hours that she spent with this very deranged person, if one word of these allegations are true, it just explains a lot about how she got to be this very disturbed woman who people like you and like me, Dan Wooden, many others, peers have been for like years now saying, there's something seriously wrong with this person. I would trust. Like this behavior is nefarious. She looks very pretty and pulled together, but it is masking something very dark. And I just feel like now we're starting to get the explanation. She grew up around utter darkness. Those were her influences. They caused something inside of her that is manifesting in her behavior daily. I do think she's a psychopath. I do. I don't think she really cares about those other children. Hey, she got, she commissioned a People Magazine cover, Sub and Substance, right? If you want to really get the public on your side, now is the time to throw yourself on the mercy of the crowd and say, this is on me. Yes. This is on me. Yes. Why didn't I do something? I will never forgive myself. Is there an iota of that sentiment anywhere? No. No, it's all about Megan and how this affects Megan, but also by her hamper and her mourning coat. Yes, that's exactly right. That's why it's like, if you pay any attention to this person, like we do, you're like, what's happening? Why is, am I a crazy one? Because everything she does is so patently self-serving and dishonest and self-aggrandizing and inappropriate, like the Uvalde photo op. Another situation where she didn't seem to give a shit about the pain of the children and those mothers. She's mourning the deceased children. She just wanted to make sure her face was in the papers. And she's having that same moment over and over, Maureen. So the Uvalde thing is just, I thought she would never be able to come back from that. The slaughter of small school children in a mass school shooting. So this is very interesting because she flies herself to Uvalde, unbidden, unasked for. Nobody was asking for her. No one. She was in the middle of shooting her with love Megan. Seriously. She was in the middle of a series for Netflix. So she took a bunch of those cameras and that crew and flew herself down there and got herself photographed laying flowers. And then she went to go give out sandwiches or whatever. And people were like, why is she here? Like she had no connection to Uvalde, no connection to Texas. Nobody wanted her there. Okay, so she can fly herself over there with a Netflix camera crew for the sake of small slaughtered children, but she can't fly herself back from the UK to the US to speak to the FBI for children who have like psychologically, sexually been slaughtered. She can't do that. Yeah. Why? Yeah. One doesn't track with the other. And she does have a home in the United States. She could go. I'm sure her garden needs tending. She could do two birds. Yeah, I don't know why other than it's a power move and she wanted, here she is at Uvalde. This is so despicable. There is a reason she is on camera seen putting flowers down. And that reason is she wanted you to see it. That's the reason. Look at this. This is, this is truly until this incident, the most despicable, the most despicable thing she's done. This was an outrage. Everyone saw right through it. She's so stupid. She didn't think we were going to be able to see through it. And that's the same thing with the ridiculous admission she made three weeks ago today, where she was so excited to say, see, there's a reason I didn't see my dad for all these years that she was too dumb to anticipate the backlash to her admitting she's known. Unlike the fact that she's not. Unlike the rest of us, she's known for eight years. I think there was also something in her that was like, she, you know, you know that, you know how they test kids to see which kids are going to be really successful later in life. It's that test. It's that like short-term, long-term gratification. Like they'll put kids in a room and they'll be like, okay, here's a piece of chocolate and you can have it now if you want. But if you wait 10 minutes, I'll give you three. And the kids who can wait the 10 minutes, they, you know, there was a part of Megan, I think that was like, okay, I have it. I have enough bandwidth to play a little bit of a long game and this will come out someday. It will. But that's what I'm going to say to the world. See, you were mean to me. You had no idea what I was carrying low these many years. And instead we're like, why didn't you open your mouth? Right. It was, it was incredible. Here she is on the cover of people with she's devastated. I mean, she completely orchestrated this entire thing and people magazine, what a trashy rag that is. I would, I would believe what I read in radar online before I believe what I read in people magazine. They have surrendered to their worst. It's beyond tabloid. It's just stenographers for whatever celebrity wants to give them any sort of spin on his or her story. That's it. No testing of it. No semblance of journalistic integrity. It's really, it's, it is trash. It's trash. I mean, those are the two biggest celebrities. They've got a line to period. They're on the cover every other week. You know, people, they're on the cover of people magazine about a week or so ago, fired 195 staffers. Oh, I can see why. Yeah. And like, this is why they're circling the drain. This is exactly why it's like five minutes away from being produced by AI. Yes. And Megan. Yes. That's very true. Now. Okay. I want to keep going because there's more to discuss today. I want to get to Amy Griffin one second, but before we do, let's make a sojourn over to Dakota Johnson. Okay. Dakota Johnson. So I didn't know anything about what is going on in Dakota. Johnson's life, nor do I particularly care. Um, but I did see these pictures of her online walking from the gym and the headline was like caught, caught on tape or, you know, spotted leaving the gym after a workout session in Los Angeles. Okay. There is zero chance that Dakota Johnson did not orchestrate this entire thing. Would you look at what she's wearing? Maureen. Okay. For the listening audience. It's basically like a purple, purplish mauve bathing suit with matching sheer tights underneath it. I mean, it's channeling my aerobics days back in the eighties. I'm not going to lie. This is kind of what we would do. Um, and the little crop top and the hair pile just perfectly on top of her head as she's just, and the perfect sunglasses merrily walking along, looking at her iPhone. This is what she told Vogue recently. I am obsessed with people not knowing where I am or what I'm doing. I'm far too porous and sensitive and present. I don't, I can't deal. So Dakota doesn't want anybody to know where she is or what she's doing, except if it's a perfectly curated shot on her way home from the gym. Obviously this woman is looking for a little attention. And I have to say, unlike our dear friend, Jay, low won't just own it. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, JLo's like, everyone should wait. I'm coming out for my, for my paparazzi shot. Clear the decks. Here I come. I will be leading with my ass. This one wants us to believe she, she really just wants privacy. Maureen. She doesn't actually want to be caught on camera. You know, it's so funny because she, I believe she has been leaking to the daily mail all about the hot sex she's having with machine gun Kelly. Yes, because she broke up with Chris Martin or he broke up with her. Yes. And so now it's rebound or Rama. Yeah. And so we're getting unwanted details about that again. Like this is in lieu of the career that I believe she had set out with intentions for herself. I think she thought she was going to be like her ex-boyfriend's ex-wife, Gwyneth Paltrow. I think she thought she was going to become a really big star. Hasn't happened. Remember she had to, she took that role in 50 shades of gray because no other actress in Hollywood would take it. That's right. And Charlie Hunnam dropped out of it. He was like, he was like, I'm not, I'm not doing this. This is an S and M movie. That's it. That's true. That's when Jamie Dornan stepped in, but it was nice to be introduced to him. Jamie Dornan. Yeah. He's great. Yes. I don't think anybody was missing the other guy. Yeah. Yeah. No, I love Charlie Hunnam too, but no, he was great. He's great in the fall too. Have you seen the fall? No. Oh, you would like it. I was just telling me about this. Yeah. Serial serial killer. And Jillian Anderson is, I did see the fall. I did see the fall. Yes, I did. What's that Debs? She's what? What's going on here? Oh, she's, where is this? Look at this. It's all about her underwear. I mean, are we, I think we're doing red carpets wrong, Maureen. I guess we need to be showing more snatch. That's never been my goal, but maybe this is our new inspo, but listen to her. Okay. So she, hold on a second. This is sat nine. This is a Vogue photographer in connection. I assume with the same interviewer, She says she really just doesn't want to be seen. She doesn't want anybody to know what she's doing. and um the vogue photographer asks her what she would be if she were not an actress sat night dakota if you weren't an actor what do you think you'd be copier um just kidding a therapist or a florist what's the hardest part of your job that people don't know about the internal torture the discipline that it takes but i don't i just don't feel like i can say my i'm so lucky to have this job the hours suck what what is going on there if you were not an actress what would you be happier well let me take out my little violin for you you have it so rough the child of don johnson and melanie griffin you griffin or griffith griffith granddaughter of tippy hedren the the muse for uh alfred hitchcock oh poor girl she's a movie star dating all these other movie stars and singers not for nothing recently there have been side by sides befores and afters going around of dakota johnson she also had a fair amount of plastic surgery to get that face to be a movie star so this is like my favorite thing when people like work that hard to get into a position that maybe their talents alone would not have gotten them to and then they complain and they bitch about it like she's talking about it i'm thinking about the famous laurence olivier quote to like a young actor coming up it was like a dustin hoffman or something it was like so method and you know and and laurence olivier turned to him and said it's called acting dear boy just act that's it the stories about him are legendary that like the he was not afraid of cutting a bitch no you know male or female like he would put you in your place he was sir laurence olivier um yes oh i find this very disingenuous and i find the following clip which you're going to enjoy you in particular with your fashion sense your knowledge of vogue and all the players around it um i think you'll react the way i did watch this this is dakota johnson in her october interview for vogue where she said she doesn't want attention to vogue in her spread for vogue for vogue and listen to what she had to say when being interviewed by the person who took over for candace or for um anna winter watch are you going to the valentina show in paris i'm not i can't go because i'm hosting snl oh my god right which is right around your birthday it is literally my birthday so this will be your second time hosting or third third over halfway to the five timer club i'm on my way that's very exciting fingers crossed my mother's like one of the only five timers who is always available and so they're always bringing her in yeah but they're very protective of those jackets yes i know i cannot leave the studio i know it's really sad yeah wait who is your mom candace bergen what the fuck we talked we talked about this because i have spent a funeral with your mother recently oh yeah and you guys had like the best time yeah we had a really good time together oh my god wearing like great black gloves and yes wait we did talk about it about this yeah okay that all makes sense but she is the most she's also wearing um dakota a tank top so pointedly she can at some point put her arms up so we can all see the tattoo that she's got on her under bicep yeah just very casually stretching while she's exactly hands on top of the head and then like the fake npr voice like i can't go to the valentino show because you know i'm hosting snl five i'm on my way i'm on my way look at it there it is with the tat uh-huh exactly right casually flashing oh is there a camera on me oh i didn't know oh are you the daughter of candace bergen oh who knew i i don't know anything about anna winter's successor chloe mo no i mean when my office my publicist called me to book this appointment with you i didn't even know who you were right i didn't even know where i was going i know no exactly am i a popular mechanics where am i bought her entire dealer these people she thinks she'd be a better actor honestly i would have expected more given the given the lineage now my team told me that we have to play this soundbite because quote maureen loves it i don't i haven't seen it but it's dakota johnson your favorite john ham and kaylee spainy in an interview for bad times at the el royale from 2018 let's watch sod 11 when did you realize oh this is something special and what are you going to take with you from the experience of working with each other um i'm gonna take her whole being with me from this experience i don't see my life without kaylee so will you marry me wait oh my god this is happening ew what was that well that that thought goes on where dakota then begins looping her fingers like your size and she begins looping her fingers into the earrings and like like noodling her with her fingers like her neck yeah and kind of like pulling her it's all very sexual and at that point john ham does intervene and he says stop it to dakota it's like stop and because kaylee when you've gone too far for john ham who set a frat pledge on fire and visited put put him in the hospital almost killed him yeah when you've gone too far for john ham then you're really fucked up yeah she's like oh my god i'm gonna take her whole being with me from this interview she's she's i think she's a product of hollywood i think clearly she was interfered with at some point just my opinion she thinks that that's she's doing that on camera in a publicity she's doing publicity for a shitty movie nobody saw but like how old was that girl next to her on theme adult presents as a child oh yes my team's saying she's 20 but she looked 14 she looks 12 to 14 yeah that's very weird i mean look the odds of turning out well with two successful hollywood actor parents are slim they're slim and it doesn't seem like she's beaten them no and you know tippy hendren her grandmother she was tortured psychologically by alfred hitchcock you know when she did the birds he he really because she would not have an affair with him so he he tortured her with live birds yes that movie we watched that within the past two years yeah well a couple of my kids are into like yardley doesn't like my boys like certain horror movies so we're like oh my god i'm gonna kill her i'm gonna kill her i'm gonna kill her i'm gonna kill her like let's watch that one you know i've seen it when i was a kid it is disturbing and she does look like she's getting genuinely attacked by the birds when she goes into that um at the very end she goes into that like attic apartment or whatever it is and it's it's pretty brutal and i remember googling it and they did say that she was actually attacked yeah that was his revenge hitchcock's whoa yeah so i mean that and then and then hendren wound up becoming this this i shouldn't say insane i think she was well-meaning but like this insane animal conservationist to the point where she would have like lions in her backyard oh wow she lived with like wild animals so melanie griffith grew up thinking like oh i've got a i've got a lion in the backyard and like wild predators in the backyard another wild predator don johnson comes in melanie griffith was 15 and he was like 22 when they yeah it's like an elvis and priscilla thing yeah oh wow i didn't realize that yeah you know it's like all these stories the backstory the family backstory winds up explaining the thing that we that catches our attention yeah to begin with and then you dig just a little and things start to become a little bit more obvious excuse me um i i just feel like there's there's gonna be more about dakota meyer i don't think it's going well and i don't think that machine gun kelly is the answer to dakota not dakota meyer he's a medal of honor winner dakota johnson so sorry dakota we love you i think dakota johnson was not set up for success and there's a and there's a reason that she's dating like machine gun kelly coming off of the um what you know megan fox right yeah by the way if she got married to him she'd be megan kelly which is interesting but anyway they broke up that's right they broke up megan gun kelly i like that yeah i was thinking about that one for myself oh yeah it wasn't didn't machine gun kelly get the entire torso tattooed in black ink oh yes every like stitch of skin on his entire torso can you imagine the toxins that are sinking into your system no from that no i like i don't even want to do one of those you ever have to have an mri with dye i just had one the other day yeah that that freaks me out like oh my god how am i gonna get the dye out of me never mind if you got the whole body inked in black ink all over you i don't know whatever these people they're not living normal lives they're not all right there's much more to do maureen and i have to talk about the ladies on the amy griffin update which we will do with this it's melanie griffith and amy griffin it's hard to keep up and we're going to do that right after this our sponsor the electronic payments coalition 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You were the first to report on how this book she wrote, The Tell, she's married to a New York City billionaire. He's worth $6 billion. She's decided to glom on calling herself a founder by using her husband's money to invest in businesses that have already succeeded, like Goop with Gwyneth and Happy Sunshine with Reese and Spanx with Sarah Blakely, Hello Sunshine, whatever it is. But my point is simply, I said this and I mean it. She, she gives some Meghan Markle vibes. Founder, founder, girl boss. Yes. It's fine. She's well-educated. She went to University of Virginia. She's apparently a very accomplished volleyball player, played sports there. Like that's fine. Just own that. You married a rich guy, which my information is, was her intent all along. Okay. You nailed it. Just enjoy your life. That's great. That's a great life. There's actually nothing wrong with wanting to marry somebody with money, doesn't necessarily produce happiness, but like a lot of women have done that. Whatever. Nobody was going to bother you. She had, she had to have more. And in her case, it appears that more meant getting attention for being a victim or an alleged victim. So she wrote this book called The Tell in which she claimed she had recovered memories in air quotes from an MDMA experience. Just so happens that her husband is investing, investing in an MDMA. Company and we'll make money off of its promotion. But in any event, he doesn't really need the money that she would get him. So put that to the side. And she recovers the memory that for years when she was like 12 to 14 or so, she was getting raped by her childhood teacher who is pseudonized under the name Mr. Mason. But there is a real Mr. Mason who lives in Amarillo to this day, which is where she's from. She was not, a poor kid from the wrong side of the tracks and a broken family. She was one of the richest kids in town. Her dad owned a string of successful businesses. She was, you know, I don't know if she was actually prom queen, but she was the equivalent of prom queen, very popular intact family. This is not the profile of the girl, the teacher or the pervy adult typically targets. They typically target somebody who will not be believed because the broken family, et cetera. She writes this book claiming all of this and Maureen smelled a rat. Did a report on it saying, if you read the Amazon reviews, we talked about it on this show together. Then the New York Times drops this huge piece on it saying, they don't say it explicitly, but they definitely imply that they have found somebody to whom all this happened in Amar, from Amarillo, Texas. And it's not Amy Griffin. It's this girl named Jolene. And she's since moved to California, but she lived in a foster care home. She was from a broken family. She lived in a foster care home. She borrowed a dress from Amy Griffin to go to the Sadie Hawkins dance. And at that date or at that dance was raped by a teacher there, not Mr. Mason, FYI, a gym teacher there. And returned and came back to the dance disheveled. She was the talk of the dance. People knew something had happened and returned the dress soiled to Amy the next day. And then went to a Sunday school meeting that Amy attended together and told at least large portions or some portions of the story. So that is what the New York Times lays out in a way that definitely posits that Amy, either intentionally or not, stole Jolene's story, passed it off as her own under her recovered memories under drugs in her book. And instead of saying, oh shit, I can't, this was a bad mistake. I genuinely thought it was mine, but it was drugs. So maybe I confused. I've got to call this Jolene and have a talk with her. I do remember her from Sunday school, whatever in my school. Instead of doing that, Amy doubles and triples down. She threatens the New York Times. She's angry. And then Jolene finds out from the New York Times what has happened. And she sued Amy Griffin. So this woman who still has nothing, she is not a well-off person. She spent most of her adult years helping children who have been sexually abused or now who are adults and have the trauma from having been, which tracks with somebody who actually has been abused. It's not how Amy's been living her life. I can tell you. She is upset that this has happened. She sues Amy. Amy decides she's going to unleash her billionaire powers on Jolene. She can hire the best defamation lawyers, the best investigators. She hired private investigators when she was writing her book. Jolene believes they came to visit. Jolene and extracted more details of her story. Amy denies that whoever visited Jolene, this no name, nobody knows person and said, I'm a Hollywood agent. I'd love to get your story. Please give it to me. Amy denies that that was a private investigator she sent. But it's a little weird that Jolene led a private life for 40 some years without anybody knocking on her door until all this was underway. That'll be disputed and decided in discovery. And now the latest on story. Amy cross-claimed against her. Amy filed her own independent, separate litigation for defamation against her. She's got a good lawyer who was on our show last Friday, who has been doing a good job of representing Jolene. But now Amy Maureen is in some kind of massive spiral. Okay. In my opinion, because what we had was Billy Bush first reporting that she confronted him at the wedding of, um, Jennifer Meyer, the daughter of Ron Meyer, who started CAA and like had a meltdown, uh, that she approached him. She tripped, she spilled her purse out. She was shaking. You don't know me. She was saying, he was like, not the time or the place, Amy, happy to talk to you. We're at a beautiful wedding. Like let's do this someplace else. And it took her husband to get like her away from Billy. And Billy actually said she threatened him. So that's one member of the press who is direct to camera recounting that he was threatened by Amy Griffin. Here is that from Billy's podcast. Um, hot mics watch other well corroborated allegations. Amy tried to blackball another person's kid from a nice all girls private school. Got that direct two sources. It backfired. It got immediately back to me. And she told people with whom she had lunch the day before the wedding that she was going to ruin me. Uh, she said she was going to sue me into oblivion, bankrupt me and make me homeless. These are from the people sitting at the table. Okay. It all got back. Instead of owning any of this, she's trying to overpower, everyone with her money and it turns people off. So bankrupt him and make him homeless. And also I can report that she allegedly called him disgusting trash. And so that's a direct report that Billy himself is saying happened to him by her. And on top of that, you heard what he said at the top that she went after a reporter for the New York times is. Child. The woman who broke the story about Jolene's existence. That woman has a daughter who's 17 years old trying to get into colleges. She goes to school in New York city and we have confirmed this reporting, which was broken by semaphore owned by Ben Smith and Ben Smith worked at the times for 10 years. He broke the story that Amy Griffin had called at least, but it could be more, at least one university. And had the daughter blackballed attempted to have, have the New York times, his daughter blackballed. We believe it was from the university of Michigan. Um, but I don't have that nailed down which university, but John went to the university of Michigan and she went to UVA and that's semaphores Ben Smith reporting that. And we have confirmed that as well. So is Billy Bush. So that is at least two reporters who she's threatened to ruin to bankrupt. And in the case of the New The future of her minor child, Maureen, I don't know. for sure what happened between Amy and Jolene, though I've certainly got my opinions, but this is real, what she's doing to the reporters, which does not speak well for her character or whether she's the truth teller, because I don't think you'd be behaving this way. If you knew you had the facts and the law on your side, you'd be irritated by people saying otherwise, but this is not how you'd behave. And this woman with all the gifts in the world, you know, beauty, a great husband, children, the biggest home in Manhattan, a private jet that is like a 747, multiple homes around the world, best friends with Gwyneth and Reese and all that is now in a downward spiral that she doesn't seem to be able to get out of because since we did that piece on Friday, she's had, I believe, yet another attempted rehab piece placed on page six where Sarah Nathan appears to have gone along. With whatever she wanted, because this piece is basically just a rehab of Amy and how now the story is. She didn't really remember it all from the MDMA. She she did have memories that she was sexually abused prior to that, because Joe, one of Jolene's best facts is that she's told people for years. She has a sworn affidavit from a friend who she was working with in 2016 in which she heard Jolene. Tell a child sexual abuse survivor her own story of sexual abuse in Amarillo, which tracks exactly what would appear nine years later in the tell as Amy's story or 10. Yeah, nine years later. So that's very much in Jolene's corner that she was never on drugs. She remembered it. She's been telling it her whole life. Amy takes drugs, suddenly remembers that there's no childhood or other witness who can come forward to say Amy's ever told them about this. And so now in the wake of those facts, those dueling fact patterns, Amy is switching to, oh, no, I did know I was sexually abused prior to the drugs. And she gives this interview talking about how she's been hunted. It's it's source to a source close to Amy says she's been hunted. The quote is, but there's a difference between scrutiny and a hunt scrutiny. Amy welcomes. Sure, she does, because the record holds up what she has lived with since the summer is a hunt. One source in the know told Page Six this week. And then there's other B.S. about her trying to get a settlement with Jolene to give Jolene an off ramp. But Jolene wouldn't do it. And then Sarah does report that she reached out to Zach Rosenblatt, who represents Jolene. And he said there was there was not a single dollar offered. Instead, the attorneys demanded that Jolene abandoned her litigation and threatened her if she refused. It was an attempt to intimidate and bully. So she's not Amy wouldn't admit anything. She just wanted Jolene to surrender. And then she tried to spin this as like I tried to give her an off ramp. But what do you make of all the developments in this story since we last spoke? Well, it's fascinating because I also noticed she was the subject of a New York magazine cover story. Yeah. And she was on the cover and the photographs were taken by New York magazine. And she gave an interview to New York magazine. So it was basically a version of Meghan Markle's people magazine. One hundred percent. And in this piece, the journalist was very favorably disposed to the point of sycophancy. Like, we're not going to ask questions that contradict your version of events, which now because now Amy's moving the goalposts. Right. We spent the better part of this is my story. This is my truth. How dare you? How dare you? I survived the worst thing you could survive as a child. Wait a second. Maybe I did misremember. So the New York mag piece maybe I somehow conflated some of what happened to me, some of what happened to Jolene. Gosh, golly gee. It may have happened to both of us. I've never tried to say it didn't happen to Jolene. Don't say it didn't happen to me, Jolene. Right. So this is when the nerve first did our piece and I prefaced our piece because I was just coming at it as a reader to whom none of this was tracking. And one of the closest people, to me, survived sexual assault as a teenager and a young woman by two different perpetrators. And so I take it extremely seriously. I didn't come at it in any way as sort of just like a flip. Oh, let's let's look under the hood here. Like, because this sort of loops back to Meghan Markle and why I think she'll never really fully recover from this at all. The question that we put to Amy's people before we published our piece on the nerve was, I think, the most simple elemental one. If Amy knows if there's a child sexual predator out there who visited these horrors upon her and still lives there and is known to everyone, you know, isn't she concerned that he's been harming other children? Wouldn't she with all of her money and resources want to make sure that this this person could never harm another child? Very good question. Very good question. Billy believes there's a possibility and I can see it that Mr. Mason has been paid off with an NDA because he's not complaining. He's not talking to anyone. He has been totally tight lipped and no one can prove that. This is pure speculation. Do not know that Amy did this, but there's no question somebody with those kinds of resources and there there we believe there are some who have. Been paid off and and agreed to an NDA. So there's a question about whether she's accused an innocent man but bought his silence with an NDA. Again, don't can't prove that. Just a question. I know you can't prove a negative, but it would track. I mean, I think everybody's been trying to find Mr. Mason. You know, everybody knows who he is. It also says to me that that guy like knows he's innocent, you know, like and that everybody in his world knows he's innocent. He's not a child molester. The other thing about the tell, which is very strange, is that she's got no real dates in there. No real ages at which these things happen to her. She's getting like I'm not trying to be flip, but I'm just saying this is the way the book is written. She's getting raped in every room in that school during daylight hours. OK, classrooms, locker rooms, bathrooms, getting the shit beat out of her. Then she goes back to class and nobody sees a black eye or a missing tooth. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding? She's talking to me that somebody with all the things she has is engaging in the retaliation campaign like that is fucking beyond to a threatened Billy Bush. Like you're going to bankrupt him. You're going to ruin his family. He's disgusting trash and you're going to you know, you're going to take him down. And a 17 year old worry. I've never seen it before. Like and I've had a lot of people hate my guts, truly. And I've loathed the behavior of many people. I wouldn't in a million years. I would never hurt somebody's kid. In fact, if Don Lemon called me up tomorrow and said, will you help my kid? I would say 100 percent. I will help your kid like I don't care. Like it's it's a different thing. We're talking about people's children. You help. You don't. You definitely don't hurt. That's insane. And the whole crux of this case is which one of these two women is a psychotic liar because it has to be one of them. The New York Magazine. They're both telling the truth. Cannot be true because one of them is lying about that Palm Springs meeting in 2019. Jolene alleges in her lawsuit that in 2019, Amy called her out of the blue. They hadn't spoken since Amarillo and said, I'd like to come see you. I know you live in Palm Springs. Can I come see you? And they did. They met in a coffee shop. They chatted. They didn't talk about sexual assault. Just reminisced a bit. And that Amy then gave her a postcard Amy had and said, I'll write my address on it. Please fill it out and send it to me. And you do the same for me. And that Jolene did sign whatever some anodyne message on this postcard and mailed it to Amy, but that she never received the return one from Amy. Interestingly, and that, according to Jolene, is basically the first time Amy made contact and she was sniffing around Jolene. It was a couple of years after. It's unclear. Jolene can't remember if it was 21 or 22 that suddenly these holly would investigate or Hollywood producers came to like find out more about her story. And it turned out they disappeared when Jolene was like, can I have a contract to run by a lawyer? She believes those are Amy's investigators who are getting more details for the tell and potentially we're going to ask her to give them the rights to her story for money, but flew the coop before we got there because she wanted she brought a lawyer into the situation. Amy denies all of that, says neither I nor any investigator. She admits hiring PIs, but she says none of them ever contacted Jolene. So I do believe if it turns out Jolene made up that that meeting in 2019, I will I will disbelieve everything Jolene is saying. I really will. Like I will say Amy is the truth teller because one of them is a psychopath lying about the meeting. But I have to say, if Jolene's lying about that meeting when she really is a psychopath, I mean, she's a she's pathological because you don't have to make up a meeting between you and Amy Griffin. in order to say that Amy stole your story. You can just say, it's my story. We went to school together. I told you you were in Sunday school. But isn't there a part in the tell where Amy references that postcard? Yes. Amy says, hey, this is the inciting event, right? Like, I got a postcard out of the blue from Jolene. From Claudia. From Claudia, who we all know is Jolene. Which Amy denies. Which Amy denies. This, to me, the way Amy is comporting herself, when you think about the wealth she came from, the extreme wealth she married into, the circles in which she runs. Apparently, Roger Federer is an annual summer guest at their Hamptons estate. Oh, she fancies herself like tennis's number one girl. Oh, is she? That's what she claims. You would think her response would be much more sophisticated to this. Instead, this looks like a panic response. This is all id. This is, I'm unleashing fury. If your book is predicated on you being a child victim and your response to a report in the New York Times that is questioning your story is to go after the child of one of those reporters, how could I believe you were victimized as a child if you would so callously, heartlessly, viciously go after the future dreams of a child who has nothing to do with this? She's a bystander. She's collateral. Yeah. Who is, and John Griffin, he has to know he's married to like a real monster. He's got to. Well, what's amazing is it appears that Amy went to this university, called in one of her major contacts and said, don't let this girl in or the equivalent thereof. And that person was like, fuck off. Good for them. And told. I mean, that's, I believe how Semaphore found out. But I mean, the point is she trusted the wrong person to be as nefarious as she is. If this story is true and our reporting confirms that she did try to hurt the child of the New York Times reporter. Here's what that postcard note to Amy Griffin supposedly read, how it read. According to the New York Times, according to the tell, the tell says Claudia sent her a postcard. Claudia in the book is someone she suspects another student of having been molested by Mr. Mason. And she was originally, the original thought for the book was she was going to go to Claudia's door and like knock on it. And there was going to be this come to Jesus talk. But in any event, the way the book winds up spinning it is she gets a postcard from Claudia that supposedly reads, I didn't have it in me to tell you the truth. Like when you, whatever, I didn't have it in me to tell you the truth. That's not what Jolene wrote. Jolene wrote some anodyne, whatever. Jolene says, I did tell you the truth. I told you the truth back when we were kids. And then I told your investigators the truth when they contacted me, claiming to be Hollywood agents years later. Something again, Amy denies. The story is so bizarre. It's got to be a made for television movie sometime soon. It's just got all the elements. And Amy needs to settle this like yesterday before she loses what's left of her reputation. You know what you were saying at the beginning of this conversation, which is like, Amy, she's got all of these gifts, right? The one thing she doesn't have is something that sets her apart and makes her feel special. She's married to a billionaire who must be a genius. She's busy collecting scalps with all of her money, celebrity scalps. Look, I'm friends with Oprah. I'm friends with Gwyneth. I'm friends with Reese. Savannah. Savannah, all of whom, most of whom we've heard have been backing away slowly because this does not, it stinks to high heaven. They're not even releasing the paperback. That says everything. Yeah. Penguin Random House has said they're not releasing it. You know what's interesting too? This is a little inside baseball of publishing, but the editor of both the Tell and Bell Burden's Strangers. Oh no. Same editor. No. Same editor. Just as Bell Burden's Strangers, you know, the husband is like, this is a fairy tale. That's incredible. Yes, I cheated. I could have left the marriage better, but the rest of it, knowing, trying to bankrupt her, she had complete, transparency with the finances. And she came from a bunch of family dough. She came from money. The husband didn't come from anything. The same editor has Amy Griffin's The Tell. She's still like very high up in the publishing world, which is astonishing to me. If she would just switch over to fiction, she'd be great. I know, right? Just switch out of memoirs. It's like that thing, I guess, where it's like rich white women who have a tale of woe, right? Like these rich blonde, like my theory holds with Bell Burden, she wasn't special. She was born into all this money. She runs with all these people who maybe made their money through dint of their own intellect or talent, whatever. She's not, so she's got something, right? So Billy used this great phrase on our show the other day. He called it status through trauma. Yes. I love it. That seems to me, and I know you're saying it, very clear what Amy wanted. And she got named to the Time 100, which was a joke. It was a joke. I know, because I was there. And Extra and Access Hollywood were sticking mics in my face, asking me like, what does it feel like? What does it feel like to be here again? Because I've been there once before. And I was like, you know, to be part of Time's most influential people in the world. And I said, you can find this. I was like, these aren't the 100 most influential people in the world. This is a joke. This is an ad opportunity for most of these people who bopped their way onto the list. I did not. I didn't care at all. I didn't pay a dime. I was surprised they came back to me again. But I'm like this, and I said, what is Blake Lively doing here? Oh, that's right. All she did was do a fake Me Too story. A fake story about Ryan Reynolds. I mean, yeah, Justin Baldoni. Anyway, Amy Griffin was there. She was another one I was thinking of. And like, I was so embarrassed. I had secondhand embarrassment for her because she took it really seriously. And she, she did these glamor shots of herself, like looking out the window with the hair pulled back. I'm like, you know, no one takes this seriously, right? Like it's, please. But that's why she wrote the book. Yeah. To like, just me, not John. This is not his honor. I'm in the main role now. I'm front and center, not Reese, not Gwyneth. This is my thing. And I don't like, it's to me, it's sad because I actually know a lot of very rich women on the upper east side of Manhattan. I lived there for 14 years and I went to the New York city private schools, not me, but my kids. So I met tons of these women. And in my experience, they were all super fabulous. And the ones who actually married a rich guy are actually thrilled with it and cool. And I'm like, like they don't rub it in your face or anything, but they don't have a chip on their shoulder about it. They're just like fabulous and living a great life. She something's wrong with this one. Like she wasn't able to just love all the gifts that God had given her. She doesn't have that many gifts though. That's the problem, Megan. She's not really beautiful. She's not, uh, she's tall and she's blonde and it's all over the towel where it's like, she's always getting like almost to like the best part of like being an athlete, like almost to the best part of being the smartest one in school. Like she's always like an also ran like it's, it's a strong line through the book, right? So she's got to be the best at something. Now, Megan Markle is going to take this mantle any moment, but right now she's number one in maybe having been abused as a child. We don't know. Oh God, maybe. Oh, I mean, she's, this one seems to be number one in harassing people with less power than she has and using her husband's money for ill. I mean, that, that's really like now the rubber hits the road. Now, Oprah, Gwyneth, Reese, Savannah, et cetera, all need to be asked. Do you stand by this woman? And in some of those cases, the promotion of this woman's book. I mean, how about you, Oprah, you got out there and push it harder than anyone. Jenna Bush Hager, you too. What do you want to clarify to your audience that now there have been repeated reports, that this memoir is nothing of the kind serious allegations and legal disputes that alleging that she stole this story and multiple reports. Now that she is threatening reporters and the children of reporters who shed light on the dispute. Do you stand by? Are you going to update your audiences? Where is the update? And now it's to the point where they're not releasing the paperback. So a statement is in order. NBC, let's have one. You know what else? If this book is proved to be false, they have to pulpit. Yeah, that's right. Have to pulpit. Got to go to be. It has to be as much as it can erased from the cannon. Like it's, it's a false document. She's saying this is all true. This all happened to me. And all of this stuff, by the way, like using her husband's money to try to silence people or keep kids out of like colleges or whatever. To me, that just feels like misplaced rage. Like she's in rape. She's enraged by something larger and much more amorphous, which is the bulk of us are onto her. We know she's a fraud and she's freaking out. Cause in my opinion, she knows she's a fraud. She's been caught. If this really happened to you and people were doubting it, I know you, you would be like, doubt me all you want. It happens. I'm moving on. Yes. You know, that's it. Honestly, I've truly, I'm like, I don't, it's, I tweeted it out not long ago. I saw it on X and I love it. I loved it. Don't, don't waste time arguing with people who are determined to misunderstand you. Love that. So it's like, you know, if you're telling the truth, you don't, you don't have to run around trying to prove it. Nor does a true like female executive who actually built her own thing. You can speak to this. Run around calling yourself a founder or a girl boss. Can you think of anything more cringe inducing? No. I'm a founder. Founder. Founder. All I can think of is a founder. Think of it as the AI apron Jake made me wear. for our with love, Megan. Remember he put that on one of the promos? Oh, I forgot about that. My apron, my Megan Markle apron. We'll lay it in so you guys can see it. 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We're back now with Maureen Callahan of The Nerve. We got a lot to get through. Now, I know you are on the Celine Dion beat. And I realized that last Thursday after the election, when everybody else was licking wounds, Celine Dion was rocking out to Metallica with Jack Black at the Sphere in Las Vegas. And we did get the video. And I have to say, I don't understand. You're going to explain it to me, I guess. Doesn't she have, oh, it's a sot. Okay, let's watch. Oh, my God, it's Celine Dion! Yes, Celine, yes! Oh, she's playing air guitar. Air guitar. She's leaning backward. Head is going. Yeah, she's feeling it. Doesn't she have something called stiff person syndrome that doesn't really allow rocking out in this way? What's going on with Celine Dion? So this has been one of our newest preoccupations over at The Nerve because she recently also finished a multi-date residency in Paris, performing live. And remember, she, around the pandemic, came forward in a People magazine cover story, NBC exclusive interview, an Amazon Prime documentary. And she has a documentary devoted to this very major diagnosis, catastrophic, she had been given, of stiff person syndrome, which affects literally one in one to two million people. Wow. It's extremely rare. And what it does is it has one trajectory, and it turns its sufferers into statues. So hence stiff person. There is no known real intervention, no known cure. The documentary was harrowing to watch. And now she's not only doing multi-date back-to-back residences, and one of the triggers for a flare, if you have this diagnosis, is you're supposed to avoid loud music. No. And flashing lights. What? But she's on stage. She did a residency in Vegas? Oh, yeah. Flashing lights and loud music. And then she finished by exiting her hotel, and there was a bunch of media and fans outside singing her name. And so she started literally dancing in the street, and there was a parked car in front of the edifice, and she's flinging herself on the car. She's climbing on the car. It's like a jungle gym for her. So we asked, well, what happened? Does it seem very stiff? It's a degenerative disease. It goes one way. We're five years in. Have you had some- She should be less mobile today than she was five years ago. She should be in a wheelchair. Oh. We are not sure. Oh, this is her at her concert series. Oh, yeah. Well, I see flashing lights right there. She's rushing out on stage. She's coming down- She's coming down a bunch of stairs. The fans are all lined up. There she is. Okay. Oh, all right. Well, she's just swaying gently there. Arms aloft. We're in heavy beaded costumes. So you've got questions about whether the diagnosis is real. I'm a little perplexed, I would say, for sure. Now, so this is my thing, okay? These celebrities, they come forward. This is kind of a through line, Amy Griffin to Celine, right? Disorder. What did Billy call it? Trauma. Status through trauma. I have a slightly different theory about Celine, but they come forward and they give us this trauma dump. Hey, this thing is happening to me, and I'm going to monetize it, by the way. I'm going to get your sympathy, and I'm going to make money off of it. And then five years go by, and this happens, and there's zero explanation. So either Celine Dion, with her massive, massive wealth, has somehow made herself the recipient of one of the most breakthrough medical interventions that we've seen in the past hundred years. These are orphan diseases. There's like really no research and development into them. They strike very few people. Or she was misdiagnosed. Come forward and say that. But you can't do this and expect us to forget that you said you have this syndrome that should be debilitating. Yes. Oh my gosh, that's incredible. Incredible. Yeah. I have noticed like a lot of videos, Celine Dion, like out there dancing and so on. She had a great time. And in the back of your head, you're like, didn't she have that? Who did? Yeah. Didn't she say she had something that makes you like stiff and unable to move? Yeah. But I appreciate the forensic deconstruction of exactly how we got from A to B. And hopefully, explanation pending, Celine, seems like not just your heart has gone on, but your whole body very limberly for five years. Okay. Speaking of singers, huge divas, and I mean that in a flattering way, who don't seem all that well, or who seem to be suffering from some sort of syndrome, Mariah Carey. So Mariah Carey recently walked out. She's overseas. Where is she? I don't remember where she was for this. Okay. Well, in any event, Mariah Carey walked out of her hotel. And Maureen, she was like, she needed to hold on to her handler in order to make it to like five steps over to the cheering throngs who were there. Then they wanted autographs. And she looked like she was uncomfortable holding the pen. And all like the buzz under these videos online is all about like, what's wrong with her? What's wrong? What's wrong? Now it could be like strained her back. But she, if you strained your back of Vicky, hurt your back in a performance, I don't think you'd be wearing the five inch high heels she was wearing. I'm not sure what was going on there, but she also seems like she's having some troubles. And that to me, she's like another example of like, there's a level of fame and success that's unhealthy. I agree. I agree. Celine had it. Mariah had it. In Celine and Mariah's case, they have a commonality. Celine's is far more traumatic and worse. You know, Celine was discovered at the age of 12 by a record producer. I'm blanking on his last name, right? He's very famous. Anyway, he was in his like mid thirties and married. Wait, uh, and Renee Angelil. Yeah. And, uh, he basically took Celine out of poverty. She was like one of 14 kids and, uh, smash cut to their ninth. She's 19 and they're dating. He was 52 and she was 26 when they got married. Wow. But he, she was 12 when he, when she, when he became her manager. Oh boy. That's sketchy. That's her trauma. That I believe is her trauma. She, she married her abuser. And didn't Mariah with Tommy Mottola. Tommy Mottola took her at 19. She was this girl from Long Island. It was, she was going to be famous. It was just who got a hold of her first with that voice. Yes. And he got a hold of her first and he left his wife for her. She, she, again, she's a 19 year old girl from, he locks her up in this mansion, in upstate New York or in Westchester and she could never get out. Yes. And that was a real trauma. Like he was, he was, he felt Tommy Mottola kind of felt like mafia adjacent, you know? And, um, her first solo album was, was all about like her freedom, you know? And, um, so I think that's their, like they famous way too early discovered by these Svengali slash abusers never really developed emotionally possible, possible, possible. Um, but never really developed emotionally. Really had that, you know, you know, how valuable are your twenties when you're like an independent young woman? Yes. Figuring stuff out for yourself. Yes. Making mistakes, failing, picking yourself up, dusting yourself off, learning. If you're an introspective person, it's a critical point in a young woman's life. Critical. Figuring out what you want. Yes. What you want, not what other people think you or you could do for them. Even my mom, who is very strong and a great mother, you know, when I, when I graduated from Syracuse, she said the financial umbilical cord is cut. You're on your own. Love you. We'll be here for emotional support, you know, on case by case basis. But you're on your own. And I paid for my own law school. And if I had, you know, big falls, Maureen, she was always my first phone call. She's still, God bless her. She's still here. I just saw her last week. She's 85 now. And she still is a great source of advice, but she definitely let me fall many times and then would give the phone call I needed. Like, you're okay. This is what you should do. If you want my advice, if you don't, I'll just be here as a shoulder to cry on. But even my mom let me have my falls in my 20s. She didn't try to prop me up. She knew letting me fall down on my face. I mean, who am I kidding? 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. Yeah, no, it's resilience is everything. Resilience is everything. And I think these, such a, they're like birds in cages, these women, these Celine's and these Mariah's. You look at Mariah, you can, there's a childlike affect to her. She never fully developed. That's so true. Yes, you can really see that actually in this video too. Here's a third different set of circumstances, but I don't know if it's so far afield from where we are. Alanis Morissette has declared herself pansexual. Nobody knows what that means. Nobody believes it. I mean, I have no, I was like, what, what is that? You like, you like to do it with a pan? So pansexual, it's probably in urban dictionary by now. It's like, it seems that it seems an extraneous word in the lexicon, but apparently it means you're sexually attracted to anyone. So it could be somebody who identifies as trans or someone who identifies as non-binary or someone who identifies as genderqueer or whatever. I don't know. But apparently she's open. It's bi on steroids. She's open to all comers, whatever, but, but. So to speak. I don't think it's, well done, well done. But I don't think it's true because she's historically dated men. She's married to a man. She's married to a man right now. It's like, make me interesting. Make me interesting. Yes. Here we go. Actually, we have a sound bite. Let's watch. I'm sorry for the men that hurt you, but I'm not sorry for the songs that came from it. That's kind. Those are pretty amazing. Did it make you want to be a lesbian at any point? I'm pansexual. So yeah, I get everything. Wait, you're not really pansexual. Are you? I am. You're supposed to come into the handsome podcast leading with I'm pansexual. You know, I like to leave it for the epilogue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Baby, come on now. I like to confuse people on the way out. If I may, this is so beneath her. It really is beneath her. She's an incredible talent. There's no disputing Alanis Morissette is just a badass. She's a one-namer too, Alanis. True. You know exactly her talent. She doesn't have anything to prove. Why is she doing this? That's her with her husband. And in the process, this is her recently giving an interview to entertainment weekly. This is on camera. It's not 22. But who I love. I've even had a guy ask me why I didn't lead with my sexuality. Thank you. Ben Affleck. Just so you can understand. She said, I've even had a guy ask me why I didn't lead with my sexuality. Thank you. Ben Affleck. Ben Affleck. Okay. Uh, we don't know what context. That was said. And I don't like it's Hollywood. Are you so shocked? A man would say, I'm sure it was. I'm just going to give him the benefit of the doubt. You're sexy. You know, you should lead with that. It's like you're even sexier than you are talented. My God. I don't know. Whatever. It's probably some buffoonish attempt to compliment her. Probably wasn't expecting her to use it against him. Years later on a stage, just gratuitously ripping on him. It's unnecessary, right? It's like a moment they'd start together. I don't like it either. They had, they had starred together. They're in dogma. Um, so I don't know what she's doing, but I, I am genuinely disappointed. Normally I don't care about these women, but like her, I really do think she's very talented and just a damn bad-ass. And I, she's belittling herself. I agree with you completely. These things feel like I'm going to, I'm, I'm trying to get some clickbait, right? Like I'm going to over here. She's pansexual on like Tig Notaro's podcast with like this woman suffering from like a serotonin lack of, you know, is that a woman? I think so. Not sure. I think so. And then on stage, oh, Ben Affleck said this to me. And then she's got a, his face behind her on the jumbotron, like exploding, which was, I think a scene from dogma. I think the context was they were shooting dogma together. So a feature film. And he says to her, Hey, like it's the early nineties. It's Miramax. It's like, yep. This is, you know, the, all the starlets coming up. Hey, interesting. You don't leave with your sex. I I'd love to know the intonation too, right? Yeah, me too. You don't leave. You could do it. Why is that? That's, you know, we don't know, but like, it's not a punishable offense in the public square. No. That question. Sorry. It's not. No, exactly. It would need to be a greater sin. Yeah. And who comes out and says I'm pansexual when they've got not only a husband at home, but three kids, uh, 15, 10 and seven. So you really want your seven year old to know that you like to do trannies and not just their father. Like what the F? Megan, please. It's not trannies anymore. What is it now? I think it's, um. It's, uh. Gender confused. Non binary. Trans, transgender. It's transgender. Okay. Okay. When you and I were coming up. Yes. It was that. But I'm teasing you. No, I know. I'm teasing you. But, um. I actually promised I wasn't going to use the term trans anymore. I was just going to use gender confused because I don't believe you can trans yourself. There's no such thing as trans. You can be gender confused. And honestly, I have empathy for you. I'm sorry that you're going through that. I've had this in my own family and I know how difficult it can be. My extended family. Um, but I, I'm not going to do the trans lie anymore because it is just that. Okay. Let's see if we can get Jane Leaves in of Frasier. Jane Leaves. Um, here's just a little look back on what she's talking about. Uh, this is when she, her character allegedly gained a bunch of weight on the series Frasier in 2001 and they wrote it into the plot as Daphne was just getting fat. Sat 19. Is it my imagination or she gained weight since breakfast? Which seating? Eight, nine, or ten? Oh, darling, you're undone. I know. This dress used to fit perfectly. Now I can't even get it. Is it halfway up? Those bloody cleaners must have shrunk it. Let me give it a try. Oh my. Maybe if I put a jacket on. Will you come and help me pick one out? Sure, sure. You know, you should switch dry cleaners. That's the third dress they've shrunk this week. I haven't seen Daphne in a while. Is it my imagination? No. Six squares a day. That's not like her. that's not like her maybe she's depressed that's when i eat you said anything to her no timing is very delicate in something like this roz i thought i'd wait until after she gets too big to catch me but before she needs the motorized scooter you're gonna eat your quiche are you kidding this would be like pulling the ripcord on my thighs it's nothing but cheese and butter and pastry i'm bacon are you sure you don't mind okay i loved this show so much i can't think of a show that i've enjoyed more than frasier the niles crane is one of the funniest characters ever to dane to be on the small box but now she's speaking out she's written a book and she would like to apologize to everyone for allowing this to happen because she feels that she was fat shaming all for it and she's not going to be able to do it again and she's not going to be able to do it again fat people by letting them write in her pregnancy as somebody who is gaining weight this is ridiculous maureen i agree with you on frasier great show like unparalleled the writing was incredible number two it's it's all it's everything we've been speaking about it's like she's she needs to sell this book it's not selling so now we've upped the ante right like i committed a crime against the culture committed a crime against feminism you have to take things in the time that they were made yes you do and at the time that that was made that was funny and it was a way of writing an actress's pregnancy into the plot without making her pregnant in the show yes and it's a way of keeping a pregnant woman acting on cam without jarring the audience into being like why is she so big oh she's pregnant oh wait daphne can't be pregnant there's more to discuss oh we'll pick it up there with frasier and then we will move on to selma blair right after this how often do you give out your personal phone number it's tied to your bank doctor and personal life yet we hand it to websites every day leading to constant spam calls that's why i want to tell you about glacier a mobile security app co-founded by my friend sean ryan alongside former u.s intelligence professionals let me tell you about this amazing feature of glacier your own burner phone number generate a separate u.s number for voice calls with businesses when spam starts just burn that number and get a new one without changing your real number love this glacier also protects your overall privacy blocking background connections to trackers ad networks and malicious sites glacier never reads stores sells or shares your personal data open the app tap connect and you're done it makes keeping your digital life private and effortless take your privacy back today and download glacier on the app store or google play or get 20 off your first three months at my link the glacier app.com slash megan and use code megan to get your first three months at checkout again that's the glacier app.com slash megan and use code megan at checkout for 20 off your first three months remember privacy is not paranoia it's protection Hey, everyone. 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Just to finish up the Frazier discussion, so the Daily Mail is reporting that, allegedly, I don't know about the Frazier, but in some corners, supposedly, the fact that she went with this storyline in which Daphne was sent to a, quote, fat camp to hide her real-life pregnancy during 2001's season eight has attracted widespread criticism. Taking advantage of previous quips about Daphne's weight, producers decided to incorporate Leaves' pregnancy as excessive weight gain brought on by the character's extreme overeating, with Leaves donning a fat suit to hide her bump. She left. She had her baby, a daughter. A daughter named Isabella. She now apologizes for the storyline in her memoir, Daphne and Me, and told The Independent that she was, quote, part of the problem by agreeing to, quote, all these fat jokes. Quote, I think having a daughter, she was growing up at a time where women were on the red carpet and were told, you are too fat for that, or she shouldn't be wearing that. Well, I mean, that is every time. That is still today as well. It was just unbelievable. It was like bullying, paid bullies. Tearing you down. And I think as women, we just suddenly went, wait a minute, enough. Did we? I don't know. I think we're still criticizing women who are enormous on the red carpet because it's just, there are certain standards of beauty that are universal. Thinking that my daughter may have to go through something like that where she's torn apart for the way she looks for her body, it hit me hard. Well, welcome to America and life. I feel like I became a little part of the problem back then with all these fat jokes. I was somehow too comfortable. I was somehow too comfortable sliding into that, and it wasn't right. Again, she should have been grateful that any Hollywood crew in 2001 was willing to put a pregnant woman on the air all throughout her pregnancy. But now, wait, listen to this. Speaking to The Telegraph back in 2004, which was 12 months after the birth of her son, Finn, so she has at least two kids, leaves. She had the daughter in 2001, and here's Finn in 2004, a boy. Leaves ruled out the possibility of having any more children. Wow, that actually, that really, that's dark. Right? Because her kids, I used to give my mother a lot of, like, she loved to say this to me every time it was around my birthday. You know, like, giving birth to you was really difficult. You know, it was 24 hours, 24 hours. You know, I didn't know if I was going to do it again after you. And I'm like, I'm not to blame here. I'm sorry. What am I supposed to do with this information, you know, that this was such a trauma for you? Yeah. But, like, that is, like, she's saying, she's saying my vanity is more important than the number of children I might like to have. Like, my teeth separated. I've never heard of that. I've had three children. Nothing happened to the teeth. You know, your pelvis separated. Like, I'm not, like, my feet are too big. Like, I can't do that now. Like, if I'm her kid, I'm like, what? What? You know, it's the same thing with who was, Alanis Morissette. Like, her 15-year-old has to go to school. And her seven-year-old. And hear that, hey, your mom came out as pansexual. I'm sure it's great for them at school right now. Great. Right. Honestly. And this is, like, to me, this mirrors what Molly Ringwald did when she came out and was, like, I have nothing but disdain for all the movies that I was in. Pretty in Pink and Sixteen Candles. What was the name of that director? Mike? John Hughes. Oh, John Hughes. John Hughes. Yeah, thank you. I was thinking Mike Nichols, but no, it was John Hughes. He made her a household name. And to this day, people of a certain generation, everybody knows who Molly Ringwald was. And she's angry about the plot lines in, like, Sixteen Candles. My God, it was, like, 1986. Lighten up. No one with a brain is looking back at that saying, tsk, tsk. And no one needs you to apologize. You don't hear Emilio Estevez doing that or all the other people from Breakfast Club. Like, just all John Hughes wants to hear from Molly Ringwald is, thank you. So, she wrote that. She wrote that essay for The New Yorker. I think she fancies herself a New York intellectual these days. She wrote it post-George Floyd. It was very chic to be like, everything's racist, you know? And she was, I think, speaking about that character. It was problematic, but, like, in the 80s, it was not. Sorry. Today, it is. The kid who was in the house for, like, two, for the weekend, the Asian kid. Long Duck Dong. Long Duck Dong. Right. Even now, you're laughing. Megan. It's funny. And I will continue to laugh. It's funny. Not sorry. I'm not sorry about the trannies, either. The greatest tragedy of that movie is that Michael Schofling, who played Jake. He was so hot. Gave it all up. Yes. And, like, went to live in Pennsylvania and be a furniture maker, which tells you a lot about Hollywood, because that guy could have been a major star. Anything. He was so incredibly good looking. We all wanted to sleep with Jake, even those of us who were virgins when we watched the show. He was, like, he was presented as, like, the perfect boyfriend. I mean, he was, that scene where he's waiting for her in front of the car. Yes. I mean, yeah. With the music. Yeah. Just the right sound. Like, they picked such great music for the 80s movies. In any event, shut up, Molly Ringwald. Like, no one wants to hear it. And shut up, Jane Leaves. Like, stop. Don't ruin Frasier for me, because I got a real problem with that. I loved that show. So, we were talking in the break. It's a funny story. About Bebe Neuwirth. You were making the point about how genius it was that they never showed Maris. Frasier's wife. Ex-wife, yeah. Yeah. Who they was afraid of. She was wife and then became ex. Right, right, right. Right, exactly. And then they wound up with Daphne. But they just talked to her about her like she had no pigment. You know, like she was this vampirist type of character. And it was very funny. And then we got on to Bebe Neuwirth, who was Lilith, Frasier's wife and then ex-wife. And how talented she really is in real life. And I saw her in Chicago. And then I was telling you that my friend John O'Hurley was in Chicago. And you said how to, he's from, he's Mr. Peterman from Seinfeld. Elaine! Among many other things. And he and his wife Lisa have become dear friends of ours over the years. And we, Doug and I, Doug and I tried to cook them Thanksgiving dinner one year in an episode that would genuinely scar all four of us for the rest of our lives. I just want to say I see what you're doing here. You brought Doug in very prominently. Doug, Doug and I. Okay, so. He has slightly more cooking skills than I do. Okay. But only slightly more. Okay. I will say Doug, he always thinks I'm saying this just to get him to do it. But Doug does have like the thing in the kitchen where like you got to eyeball it to figure out what level of salt should be in there. Like, like he actually does have some innate talent. He only has like three dishes he can cook, but they're all very good. And he does have that talent. I don't. I'm like recipe by the book. If I do anything, it doesn't matter how many times I've made the meal, I have to follow the recipe or things go badly. So like an, like a couple of times. A couple of idiots. We invited John and Lisa O'Hurley over to our New York city apartment to make not just any dinner, Thanksgiving dinner for them. We only had Yates at the time. We haven't, he was our first child. He was a baby. They only had Will. They, they would continue only having Will, but so we only had two children and they were there. It was a disaster of epic proportion proportions. I started, I've told the story, but where I started going. Going wrong was I went to whole foods. I did the shopping. I bought five bags of groceries and I left two at the whole foods and I didn't realize it until like Thanksgiving morning. I, it was only the day before that I had bought the groceries, but I left them and whole foods was closed. It was closed the day that Thanksgiving, what were you missing? I like everything. All I had was the Turkey. Oh my God. And I did have a stuffing and that was it. That's all. We didn't have gravy. We didn't have mashed potatoes. We did not have any greens, no appetizers, nothing, just the Turkey and stuffing. So that, okay. I mean, those are the two most important things, but okay. Those were a challenge for a non-chef. Anyway, the problem was you do need gravy. Like you gotta have gravy with Turkey and stuffing. So I'm like, Doug, we didn't want to tell them because they were already taking a risk coming over. Like you got to get out to the, um, Christie's, which is like, I don't know, I don't know. which is like, you know what it is, but it's like the CVS. Like you got to get to Gristiti's and they have some groceries. And I'm like, see if you can get some gravy. Gristiti's was closed. So he had, he wound up going to like the equivalent of CVS. Anyway, long story short, all he could get was one packet of the gravy flavoring. That's it. One little powdered. Yes. Powder one. That's all that was left. So I'm like, oh my God. So you put it in and it starts off promisingly enough where you add the water and it's like, it fills up the big pot, you know? I'm like, oh, this is, we're going to be fine. So I start stirring it and it's shrinking, Maureen. It's shrinking and it's getting smaller and smaller. I'm like, well, I don't need gravy. And I'm stirring. I'm like, well, at least it's so skinny. She doesn't need gravy. She'll be fine without gravy. And I'm like, well, Doug doesn't need gravy. It wound up being literally like a teaspoon full of gravy. Like, John, John, here's your dollop of gravy. So then the bird was in the oven. And we put it in one of those big silver trays that's like disposable, you know? And we didn't have anything. We didn't have a proper tray, what have you. And smoke started billowing out of the oven. And we didn't understand it because we were watching it very carefully. We knew we were at risk of burning things. And it wasn't time to take it out. So we run in there and the smoke's billowing. So we open up the oven and we pull out the tray and it's now leaking. It's leaking. All these juices. Something's happened. And those juices had caused a fire in the oven. Meanwhile, our two shih tzus, this is how long ago this was, are running around the kitchen. Thank God they had a bunch of fur because they probably would have been burned. But the drippings are getting on them. And now they are in a nonstop lick fest of each other. They taste like turkey. Oh, my God. The turkey is now crispy. Christmas Vacation Clark Griswold level dry. Oh, my God. It has no juices. And I only have one thimble full of gravy. So that's not going to save me. And when the smoke started billowing out of the kitchen and Doug and I had already been in a panic and he had left to go to the Gristini's and come back. And you hear John O'Hurley yell from the next room, I've got Jean-Georges on speed dial. That's a great guest. Jean-Georges? No, would you believe they are such good friends. They ate it. They did. They're the dearest, nicest people. But they did not volunteer to come by the next year. They said, why don't we go out? Why don't we go to Jean-Georges? And we have spent Thanksgiving with them a couple of times. Never again did we try to cook. So what do you do on your Thanksgiving? Who takes care of the food? We had our Thanksgiving last weekend. It was wonderful. My family comes and we pretend it's Thanksgiving. We sort of do it before. We do it before the actual holiday where everyone can come. And it's just a lot easier on, especially my sister's kids who are young and making their careers. And they don't always get the day. Oh, of course, we have it catered. Yeah. Oh, you have it catered. No, I would never try to cook for a group of people Thanksgiving dinner. Oh, my God. I mean, I'd be endangering them. So, no, we do have it catered. And everything was delicious. It was very juicy turkey. There was plenty of gravy. To this day, when I see the gravy, I appreciate it. Like nobody else on earth. I'm like, you don't know what a difference this makes. Everyone here is taking it for granted. I just love the image of you, like, with the powdered gravy and the sauce pan with the and, like, your vanishing prospects for a good Thanksgiving dinner. It's so sad. It's evaporating. It's evaporating. The only ones who won were the dogs. They were so happy. Oh, the dogs. Yeah, they're easy to make happy. Anyway, so happy Thanksgiving to all of you. On the actual Thanksgiving day, we will be going out. To eat at this sweet little restaurant that does its own Thanksgiving dinner. So we will enjoy that, but I will not have to cook, and I will not have to clean up, and I will be thrilled. And you're doing something fun. I'm going to Rhode Island. I'm going to see family, friends, and I'm very, very excited. They got a new home, and one of their children is one of my goddaughters. I'm very excited. I can't wait. Now, do you bring? Do you, like, make a meal, or do you bring something? No, no, no. I go to the farm stand out on Long Island. Long Island, where I'm at, which is, like, they do, like, you could get, like, they're brilliant. They're brilliant. They're so brilliant that, like, they have been offered, like, people who work at major publishing houses. Like, we'll give you a huge contract for a cookbook. Like, they could be whatever. And they're like, no, this is it. This is what we do. It's like a generations-old family farm. They know who they are. They know exactly who they are, and they're, like, salt of the earth, and their stuff is amazing. So I bring the crowd. They're what Dakota Johnson claims she is. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. They genuinely don't want me to be a cook. They genuinely don't want publicity. So, yeah. So what do you, when you go to the Thanksgiving dinner, can I just ask? Yeah. This is, like, a thing. What is the plate? Like, is there something you have to have and something you eschew? And also, when it comes to the desserts, what's your fave? I love the dark meat, and I love a leg, which I love a leg. I find it's juicy. Personality. It's got a little bit of crispiness to it. I love a potato. Like, the Irish person I am, I love a potato. Yeah. I love a nice martini with that meal. Yes. And I like a very wholesome American dessert, like some apple crumble, apple pie, a little tiny scoop of, like, whole vanilla ice cream. Like, that's, like, hits the spot. Yes. That's it. It sounds delicious. What about you? I go, my kids love dark meat. I like the white meat breast. I mean, yeah, vanilla-y, I guess, but that's what I go for. I do put the gravy on it. I used to eat the mashed potatoes all the time. I don't, I don't, I kind of limit the carbs a little, and I prefer the stuffing. So if I'm going to do one, I go for the stuffing, even though the mashed potatoes are definitely healthier for you. But I think I'm, I have childhood trauma over the mashed potatoes, because every year, growing up, we would all go to my nana's, we would get our mashed potatoes, and, you know, you make the little moat in the middle for the gravy. Yeah. And my brother would always take his fork and ruin everybody's moat, so it would come flowing out. So I don't do the mashed potatoes anymore. I like a green bean. I would definitely put a green bean on there, or a salad, and I do love cranberry sauce. And I know people have strong feelings on this. I love it all. I would take the actual berries. That's what the caterer made, like the kind that you spoon on from like a bowl that's got like actual cranberries in there. We, always growing up, had the sliced, you know. From the can? Yeah, from the can. Same. Delicious. Okay, I've never been a cranberry person. And every Thanksgiving, my mother, she would have the canned cranberry. It was like her joy. I love that. And she would, you know, and then put it out. It's like, okay, everybody, who wants the cranberry? And everyone was like, nobody wants the cranberry. You should have had me. The trick, I think, with the cranberry is you've got to get a couple more things on the fork. You've got to get a little turkey with gravy, maybe a dollop of stuffing, and then you add it like a taste of the cranberry for just like Thanksgiving goodness. My mother. My mother treated it as like a vegetable or something. Like it was a whole serving of something else. But I'm with you. I love a good stuffing. And so this is the Long Islander in me. This is really the true Long Islander in me. I love nothing more than stovetop stuffing. Yeah, yes. I find it very satisfying on Thanksgiving. Yeah. I love the kind of brownies that come from a box, like Duncan Hine brownies. Yes. And actually, so the friend I'm going to, the family friends I'm going to go see, the wife said to me, so what do you want for dessert? And I said, what's your favorite? I said, I really love Duncan Hines in a, you know, brownies in a box. And she was like, yeah, I'm not doing that anymore. I'm not doing boxed food anymore. She's on a whole like nature kick. And I said, what about, oh, you'll love this. I did get me, by the way, your recommendation of Katharine Hepburn's Me. Oh, good. The book, right? I got it. And, but she went through this phase where she was in love with Katharine Hepburn's brownie recipe. Oh. Katharine Hepburn's brownie recipe. Katharine Hepburn had like this famous brownie recipe. And she, I was like, can you just make me Katharine Hepburn's brownie? No, they come from a box. Oh, come on. I know. I'm sorry. I get what I get. It's too much work. On the dessert front, I, this year I went for pumpkin pie and it is delicious with like a little whipped cream or a little vanilla ice cream on the side of that. That's, I was like, it's so good. But you said apple crumble. Yeah. I would take that over anything. Oh, so good. It's, it's not in the, it's, it's above apple pie. I think so too. Apple crumble is particularly delicious. And yes, I do eat that on Thanksgiving. I will say our neighbors who I absolutely adore, we have the best neighbors. One year they brought over the most delicious smelling peach cobbler as like a gift to us. It was the nicest gift. He had made it with his own hands and we knew that we could not keep this in the kitchen because of Strudwick. So we, we moved it out to the bar area, which is outside of Strudwick's domain. Like he's, he has to stay in the family room, kitchen, mudroom area of the house and he is not allowed to roam. And, uh, we went to eat it later that evening or the next day. I can't remember, but we went to eat it. We did not see it in the bar. We're like, that's so weird. But like if Strudwick has gotten to it in the bar, like he's somehow managed to escape, you'll see the remnants of like the plate. you know, like, but there was nothing. So I was like, maybe somebody moved it. like maybe somebody thought it was going to spoil and put it in the refrigerator. I don't know like what happened. And everybody was looking forward to it. I mean, it smelled delicious. It looked delicious. It was handmade by our neighbor with love. I'm like, it's got, it's gotta be here. Like I'm, I'm going crazy. And we're looking, the whole family is now in there looking for it because everybody wants this damn peach cobbler. And then I see something on the floor, Maureen. I'm like, what's that? It's like tucked underneath the sort of rim of where the cabinetry ends. And it is the outer edge of the glass pie plate. Stop it. We pull it. I mean, not a crumb, not a single speck of cinnamon was left. That dog ate the whole thing. What's, but are you saying that Strudwick had the presence of mind to hide it? Or do you think it was just a lock? Not that smart. No. Strudwick got out of his area. He got in that bar. He got up on his hind legs. He got that pie tin. What do you call it? The glass, you know, the pie round that was holding the cobbler. He got it down on the floor. He devoured it, every single morsel of it. And then I think just in the licking of it, maybe he had to shove it against the wall for like leverage to get every single morsel that it kind of slid under to where we couldn't. And it wasn't even broken. It was there intact, 100% without one little crumble left. So he didn't really leave a paw print, really. It's like a very clean crime scene. It was. It's very impressive. It was inches away from a clean getaway, but we wanted that cobbler so badly. And then I never had the heart to tell my neighbors. They're probably learning about it for the first time right now because it was such a generous gift. They were so sweet to make. I didn't have the heart to tell them. It was terrible. I know. So is he locked up? For, uh, do you lock him up for fixed Thanksgiving? You know what we do now? We give him to the dog walker for the day. Very smart. And thunder too, because the caterers are there. Like they cannot be trusted. So we, we set out the appetizers in like the living room where she, again, he's not allowed to go in there. He's special needs. You have to live defensively when you live with Sprodwick. Um, but we, I, she, she made among other appetizers, like chicken wings and they were sitting like on a low coffee table. And I was having PTSD just like seeing them there. I'm like, Oh my God. Like if he came in and Doug and I were laughing, I was like, what would he do if we actually tried saying strut? No, we both laughed. We had such a good deli laugh. That would not say he said what I believe, which is it would just make him go faster. Like they're going to take me away from these in a second. How many can I get down? So no, he has to be out of the house for that particular day. Thank God for our, our dog walker. She's a miracle worker and she's great with our dogs. Anyway. So this is a long diversion, but here's to all of you and Thanksgiving, send us your Thanksgiving traditions and debacles of the emails, Megan at Megan Kelly.com. All right, let's back, get back to some of these stories. Cause I definitely want to hear your take on Selma Blair. I know you covered the meltdown on the plane brilliantly. She's apologizing again. She had to do this after her last on air or on in air meltdown. Now it happened again, where she just to refresh listener. She had some sort of a, a massive meltdown where she reportedly tried to open up the plane door in flight. She denied that later, but there were witnesses. And then she attacked a flight attendant or two. And then she got taken away by an ambulance when she landed and she attacked a cop and a nurse and she's been charged, um, and is facing at least state charges now. And they, they could be added to. So now finally took a, took her long enough. She decided to go on cam and post an apology to the police. Now, I don't know if you can see this on the screen, but I'm not sure if you can see this on Instagram. Here it is at 12. Hi, it's me. And I know I've been quiet for a couple weeks since October 11th and you deserve to hear from me directly. And I'm sorry that it's taken this long. There is a legal matter going on and my lawyers have asked me to not say anything about that day. And I'm listening to them. I take this very seriously. What I can tell you though is very simple and the truest thing I know about myself and that not one day ever have I intended to hurt or frighten anyone a day in my life. And so to the people that I disappointed, that I hurt, that I frightened, alarmed. I am so sorry. This is very odd to me. Like the people that she hurt are individuals like the cop and the nurse and the flight attendant who deserve a personal apology, not some Instagram post. So this seems to me to just be PR. Yeah. You know, she repeatedly kicked a police officer in the head in that ambulance. Um, she hospitalized, I believe one of the people she assaulted. Um, you know, the, the kind of language that a people magazine uses is not the proper language. They'll say that, that one of them like sustained a laceration. No, she bit somebody and broke skin, which means you have to go to the hospital and at least get a tetanus shot at least probably all the biting. She loves to bite. She, that, that, um, statement, that video statement goes on in which she, she, then says, um, so yeah, I'm sorry. And she claps her hands and she puts them down here like this. And it's almost like, I'm sorry. Okay. I'm sorry. That's it. Are you satisfied now? It's over. Can I get on with my life, please? You know, I've been a menace in the skies twice now, twice. This may be felony because the FBI it's like multi-stakes are in the air. Um, and the charges relate to who she heard on the ground. Ah, okay. Okay. And what could be coming are federal charges based on what she did in the air. Yes. And, um, you know, she, she, she begins by saying, you know, my lawyers are asking me not to discuss this, so I can't discuss it. Well, what are you doing here, lady? Yeah. What are you doing here? You know, and, um, her people have been planning these, these stories that, you know, everybody's terrified for Selma. Who? Who's terrified? I'm not terrified for Selma. I'm terrified for myself. If I ever find myself in an airport lounge with her, let alone on the same flight. Right. You know, don't give her the emergency exit seat, whatever you do. Seriously, like strap her in. She should be on a no fly list by now. She should be. She should. She, I think both incidents were on Delta. Yeah. Delta at a minimum should say you're no longer welcome to fly Delta airlines. Yeah. I mean, I think it's time one incident would do it for any normal person. Yeah. And then the nerve, her lawyer went in there and was like, given all the good she's done for society, she shouldn't have the book thrown at her. And the judge to the judge's credit was like, you're not pulling that shit in here. Don't, don't try to get special treatment for her. And so it's like, I don't, I don't know what's going on with Selma Blair. I just think like they should throw the book at her. She is a repeat offender. She should, there should be absolutely no break cut for her because she's claimed like four different illnesses. I don't know which one she's claiming did this, but like whatever it is, you're not controlling it. And you've become a menace to society. You hurt a lot of people. You endangered a whole plane load of people. Like I'm kind of over the nonsense around her. I kind of want her to just gulk off and go deal with whatever, whatever the hell the issues are. You know, prison is, um, is great because it's a great deterrent, right? Like I, I doubt if Selma Blair does even a year, she'll come out and like ever think that, uh, publicly assaulting people, assaulting people in general is in any way like appropriate. She's her, you're so right about the lawyer who had the like, unbelievable, like you're in a New York city courtroom. You're in Queens, New York. You're going to say to a judge there at like midnight, uh, after she's cut loose from Jamaica hospital, which means that there was nothing psychologically wrong with her. She was fine. Oh, uh, you should treat my client. You should give her special treatment. You know, she's a Hollywood actress. Yeah. All the good she's done. And he didn't cite, oh, she's helping abuse children or she's helping dogs who can't be housed or whatever. Like it was like acting. She was illegally blonde. She acted in a couple of movies. Um, I'm not sure that gets you special treatment, sir. We have some of it. Let's watch it. Stop 14. You want to make a record that what she's done for people, what she's done as a human being should be at least acknowledged. Counsel, thank you for your arguments. My ruling still stands. I just wanted you to know, I didn't ask for special treatment, just an acknowledgement at the same time of her action and conduct that has a body. I've made my ruling. I understand, but I asked you for a discretionary ruling, not under the statute. Okay. My, my discretion is used and um, it's the implication counsel. I'm not going to go through this on the record that, um, you're trying to use her status to have the court in its discretion, change the bail. She knew what she's done for the people, like being a Hollywood actress. Does that get her something more than like the people who go in there every day and underemployed one at that, you know, the, the talk about like merging something, the thing that a lot of people I've spoken to about that video that she did. And I would love to know too, who makes that shirt that she's wearing that blouse in the video, the apology video. Yeah. Can we run that again? Now I need to pay better attention. Hold on. Let's see this again. Hi, it's me. She's got the white cuffs. Yeah, the cuffs and the collar's white. And it's got this stiffness to it, but you can tell it's soft. Okay, I can find out. I'm going to find out. Sarah, you know Sarah, our fellow astronaut. Oh, yeah. Do you think she can find out? She's very good at finding out things like that. She's got the internet wired. And the pant, too, is like really, it's like this, as we've said, yellow is hard to pull off. Look at her hair, Maureen. Oh, the hair's awful. The hair is awful. It looks like a bad 70s wig on a boy, you know? Like, maybe, like, remember Nicholas from Eight is Enough? Oh, that's a great reference. You know? That is like the Nicholas bowl cut. What's going on? It looks like she hasn't washed it in, like, a week. But look at the skin. The skin looks great. That's like a no-makeup makeup. Yeah, yes. Glowy. Like, she looks healthy. Does she look like someone who would rip open a plane door to you? Isn't she trying to tell us she's not healthy? Shouldn't she have gone with the, like, homeless look if she wanted us to believe she's got a brain disorder, right? I don't know. She wasn't blaming this on her MS. It was, like, something else she was blaming it on. She originally, I think, blamed it on skippings, her MS medication, which we heard from a lot of people who have MS, and they're like, that's not how that works. It doesn't cause you to try to open up a plane door. And bite people and kick people in the head. No, it's not how that works. And then she switched it to some other ailment. I can't remember. It was long and hard to pronounce, I think. Some sort of neurology. She claimed she has MS and plus something else. Oh, I know what it is. It's Ehlers-Danlos. Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. Oh, is that what it was? It's also claimed by Lena Dunham. I can't keep up. I know. I can't. Like, honestly. Trauma. Again, more trauma. Trauma status. Got it. Exactly. Billy Bush. Credit Billy Bush with that addition to the lexicon. And so much more. Great to see you, my friend. Always great to see you. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Same to you. Enjoy your time out east, and I will enjoy my time at the restaurant. Enjoy, enjoy. I know you will. All right. Lots of love. To be continued. Thanks to all of you for tuning in. Have a great weekend. Back on Monday. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.