Meet The Scientist Who Studies Alien Implants in Human Bodies

two small gray beings came into my room and woke me up and said come outside and I put on these steel toe boots I had by the bed and went outside with them and there was a UFO hovering at a very low altitude over the backyard. I woke up and I knew that I had an implant in my toe, the aliens had been there in the middle of the night and I had one more on the side of my head too. Whoa, we found the object and we took it out that looked like nothing and that I had ever removed before. If you can just fill my hair right now, you see that there's something in his ear. Whoa, whoa! Some of my favorite interviews have been these guys they have implants, you know they're close encounters of the third kind type two abductions. I go in for the post-operation meeting with the doctor and he said I found something in your right nostril that was so hard I almost couldn't break through it. How many people do you think are walking around with alien implants inside of them? 350,000 people. 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There's a whole history of research, deep research from very credentialed people discussing deeper threads if you will. Close encounters of the third kind of abductions, implants often being found in these people's bodies. There's a legendary UFO researcher named Dr. Roger Lear who everybody likes to pay homage to. I view you as kind of his living air in many ways. I guess that's about right these days. Nobody else has taken up the research and he taught me everything he knew. I would very much like to continue the research when funding becomes available. It's crazy that funding should be completely available. This is like the most interesting let's just establish for the audience who is Dr. Roger Lear. He's known as this alien implant doctor. What was his background? How did he get into this? He was a podiatrist and he was always interested in UFOs. He was the most knowledgeable. You followed just I've ever met. He was at a UFO conference once and Darryl Simms tried to get him interested in alien implants. He thought the subject was ridiculous at first. Then he finally said one of his friends convinced him to take another look at it. He said to Darryl, "Well, you know, get some of these people down here to my office and we'll get them x-rayed and take the object out and see what it is." That's how the research started. He ended up taking out 17 objects from 17 different people over about a 20-year period. We found the object the first one and we took it out. It looked like nothing that I had ever removed before and away with a foreign body. Believe me, I had removed all sorts of things from even a hair to paper to meadows of various kinds and so on. Never saw anything like this. There was a t-shaped affair that was wrapped up in a very tight biological tissue, which was this really strange color and texture. Then we took a scalpel and we wanted to see what was inside. That's the idea of the whole thing and we were amazed to find that we couldn't cut through this biological tissue. It came back with absolutely no inflammatory response. Now that really makes you want to scratch your head because how do you get something into the human body and not have the body react to it? Well, that just doesn't happen. Maybe there's some weirded out explanation that I didn't understand from one site. Maybe two sites, but three sites from two different people. That's just a little too much to handle. Where was he based? I found out that Dr. Lear was working in Thousand Oaks when I was working in Camarillo, California only a few miles away and I had some weird experience where I saw these giant raccoons in my backyard and when I was at the house alone one night and I fed the animals and observed them for some time and there were about between 75 and 100 pounds I'd estimate. I didn't even know raccoons got that big and evidently they were scouted animals for the aliens because I went to bed and woke up about eight o'clock in the next morning and had a bad steam pan in my toe and I had reason to believe it was some kind of an implant and so I went to see Dr. Lear and I don't think he believed me at first but he gave me a prescription to get the toe x-rayed and I knew we were going to see something on the x-ray but when I did that changed my life forever. It looked like a bent piece of wire on the x-ray and I didn't remember getting any shrapnel in there or anything like that so it was quite an experience. Then he got funding from Jaime Mason to remove it a few months later and he didn't have anybody to analyze it so where I was working at the time. I had access to a lot of analytical equipment so I analyzed it for him and it turned out to be a sophisticated nanotechnological device. Have you read my paper on that implant? I have not. Let's hear about it. It turned out to have very skewed isotopic ratios and several elements that were in the metallic core and to the extent that it looked like it probably came from another part of the galaxy, not just another planet. How can you know that from the isotope ratios? Well because the isotope ratios are characteristic of elements from different places and if they're off by more than a percent or so that means it's not from Earth. These were off by up to like 30 percent. What were the elements and what were the isotopes? The first one I think was boron, boron and copper and there were similar results from other implants I analyzed and anyway the structure of the device was a gray hard to cut membrane and below that a layer of material that was similar to bone like a biological hard part like bone or mother of pearl. Then below that a metallic core made a meteoric iron with carbon nanotubes inside the metal and nerve cells connected to the device. The pain in my toe got worse over a period of days and led to a lot of electric shock type pain whenever I put any weight on the toe. And I think that was the nerve-sulfuring in the device. These devices also produce no physiological reaction in the body, and that's unheard of. Four objects always produce a physiological response. There's no immune response. No immune response, right? Really interesting. And could these elements and isotopes theoretically have been produced in some sort of centrifuge? You could, but in order to produce those exact ratios, it would probably cost millions of dollars, and it'd be very difficult to do. So question is why? And why would anybody do that? Well, how would anybody do that? Yeah. Do you remember undergoing some sort of alien abduction experience prior to that being your child? I didn't remember it consciously, but I went to our rest of hypnosis and remembered aliens putting in the device, yeah. What was that experience like? Well, two small gray beings came into my room and woke me up and said, come outside. And I put on these steel toe boots I had by the bed, and went outside with them. And there was a UFO hovering at a very low altitude over the backyard over this avocado tree I had at the Filmer House. And they indicated that I should stand below the center of a center of the craft and took me up with a tractor beam. A Star Trek got it right, by the way. It's like a blue or greenish beam that lifts things, like a gravity beam. And the center of the craft was about 50 feet in diameter, similar to the Lazarus sport model, if you're familiar with that. Oh, yeah. And the center of the device or craft was an airlock that had human and alien spaces available. And there were four doors leading to the four quadrants of the craft. And then there was a habitation ring around the outside and a pilot station with two pilots. And a pair to be thought controlled. They had their hands in a panel on top of a panel and screens where they were observing different things. And they took me around to the station at 90 degrees of the pilot station. And there was a couch that slid out of the wall and the guy indicated for me to lie down. And it was a taller gray. And he took out a device that looked like a black plastic candle with a piece of quarter inch stainless steel tubing on it. And touched it to my toe and pushed a button. And that was to put the implant in. And there were fiber optics going down the center of this piece of tubing. And I think that's what activates the device, EV light. And I think that's what accounts for these red marks, you see, on experience, or if there are many sunburns from EV light. Interesting. And so how long were you up there for? About an hour. They waited for a long time for orders, I think, before actually putting in the device. Because I think it was a new and starting investigation. And they weren't sure they wanted that. Because a bunch of weird stuff had been happening previously. And where were you living at the time? Fillmore, California. OK, Fillmore. And was this during that night or-- Yeah, it was a night about three in the morning. They usually come about two or three in the morning. And so finally, after about 45 minutes, I go, like, guys, I'm tired. If you're not going to do anything, then let me go back to bed. And so they put the device in at that point. And it didn't take very long. Once they decided to make up their minds. Are you communicating telepathically with them? Yeah, telepathically. OK. Do you see any symbols around the craft? Yeah, there were some symbols that looked like hieroglyphics. Labeling the instruments on the pilot station and on some of the walls. They had a-- I believe they had a vector symbol. Blue vector symbol on the wall, a pretty big symbol that had two dots circles below it. And their uniforms are usually cobalt blue and have either a snake with a snake over a triangle or three orange circles arranged in an equilateral triangle. And I'm glad to believe that the three orange circles arranged in an equilateral triangle is the symbol of a gray alliance. The grays are not one species. They're, like, seven different species of similar aliens that are bound by a treaty and come to us from planets within the hundred light years of here. How are you getting that? I believe they told me. Oh, they told you, though. And what else did they tell you? A lot of stuff about physics and propulsion, most of which I can't remember consciously. Do you remember anything about the physics and propulsion? Yeah, yeah. They use a combination of several methods to create any gravity. And they definitely have any gravity drives. And they use three different methods to create any gravity. Do you remember the methods? Yeah, one of those is a home polar generator. If you take a disk, the basic home polar generator is a disk metallic disk rotating in a perpendicular magnetic field. And it creates a voltage between the center and the outside of the disk. And the aliens use a version of that to create most of their lift where they circulate a molten metal around the outside of the graph that's magnetic from analyzing samples of the material that were dropped. I think it's usually a mixture of iron and silicon. The silicon is probably in the lower of the melting point. And there's a strong magnetic field between the top and bottom of the graph. That's why equipment like car electrical systems goes out when a UFO is near because of the very strong magnetic field. And they also use a method called the by field brown effect to generate a lift where you rapidly charge a capacitor. And there's a thrust in the direction of a positive pole. And a lot of these things, the entire craft is a capacitor between the top and bottom of the crafter like plates of a capacitor. So they told you they use the by field brown effect, these aliens? Yeah. That's really interesting. And according to Bobbles R, I don't remember him telling me those, but according to Bobbles R, they also use element 115 sometimes to amplify the gravitational effect. Yeah. Yeah, that's amazing. I'm obsessed with towns and brown. So that gets me excited, the fact that there's some corroboration from an experiencer that maybe that is how the craft actually works. Many institutions and people have tried to either downplay or falsify Brown's experiments. For example, in 1990, the Air Force tested a by field brown experiment in a vacuum. But they only used 19 kV instead of the mega voltage brown was used. But in 1956, Jacques Corneone, a French Air Force officer and technical representative for one of France's largest aircraft companies, sued West, facilitated Brown's experiments in a vacuum in the Montgolfier facility in Paris. The tests were very, very, very tricky. It was sensitive to show so many things in vacuum. Finally, it worked. So that wasn't a positive result. Did they say anything else? So they're giving you all this insight into the physics? They talked about time travel, quite a bit. And the physics of that. What did they say? They said that they have time travel. They don't like to use it very much, because especially, they don't like to do long jumps, because if you travel back in time too far, you can get on a different timeline. And it would be difficult to get back to your own. That's the main reason. There is-- the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is generally correct, except that minor decisions, I'm not sure how the universe decides what's a minor decision or what's a major one, but minor decisions in quantum mechanics were something happens on a subatomic scale. Most of those just collapse on themselves and don't become a separate timeline, but some do. So this is this idea that the wave function doesn't actually collapse. It's sort of infinitely branches, but you're saying that in certain cases-- That's a combination. Most of them collapse about some of them continue on and become a different timeline. Makes a rough sense. That's interesting. Yeah. And then the ones that do continue on are as real as this one. And if you go back too far and then try to go forward again, there's a chance you might end up on one of those branch points. Yeah. The cross went across one of the branch points and ended up on a different timeline. Did they connect the quote-unquote aim? and anti-gravity with the time travel, because Bifield Brown effect and Townsend Brown himself is very interested in time travel because of their relationship between gravity and time and general relativity. - Well, the way they move faster than light is that they used the anti-gravity drive to open up a wormhole. And I'm not sure how they choose where the other opening of the wormhole is, but they can do that somehow and then they'll go through it and go a few million kilometers before the wormhole collapses. Wormholes are unstable. And they can do the same thing with time. They just open up a wormhole in a different time where the opening is in a different time that they want to visit. And the other reason they don't like to use time travel too much is because it's difficult to judge exactly when you're gonna come out to the second light they like to do. - Yeah, well, that seems to be the case and you have like Travis Walton dropped off near where he was picked up, but not. It's usually not like very precise and there's sort of missing time involved. - Yeah, and Dr. in Travis Walton's case, Dr. Lerithin thinks he was or thought he was dead and they brought him back to life. - Well, why does Roger Lerith think that? - Because a lot of the people I talked to on this show, whistleblowers, intelligence insiders, people who've worked on classified programs, they all say the same thing when it comes to protecting your cybersecurity. They often comment on the fact that ordinary people basically have no privacy when they're online. Your internet service provider logs everything you do. In the US, they can legally sell your browsing history to add companies. 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Travis was thrown like 20 feet by either a weapon or getting a shark from the electric field around the craft. And he wasn't living when he was flying through the air or when he landed on the ground and all the people in his logging career thought he was dead. That is definitely true. Didn't any of these beings tell you why they were doing what they were doing to you? Did they give you any sort of sense as to why they would implant your toe of all places? It was a medical monitoring device, which is my understanding to monitor things like blood sugar and body temperature and things like that. Why you? Is it just like this thing that it's like if we go to the zoo, we tag the animals sort of thing or what do you think? It's kind of like that, except that they do this to only bloodlines that they're interested in. And they have an MO where they genetically abduct, pregnant women from bloodlines are interested in and genetically modify the fetus. What determines which bloodlines they might be interested in? I'm not sure that would be a closely guarded secret on their side, but mainly they're interested in Germanic, Celtic, and Native American people. There are exceptions, but they're looking for some sort of genetic combination that those particular races have and more abundance. Fascinating. So you have this anything else, by the way. I always, I feel like with experiences, I'm always like, damn, I should've asked that one more thing about like what the what the being said, was there anything else you can recall? Them telling me? Yeah, anything they told you? Well, the part about them being on a lion's of seven different races coming from planets within the hundred light year of the year. I remember that pretty distinctly. Oh, and they also told me that the earth is a very important planet to a lot of races and that planets that have some life are pretty common, but planets that are teeming with life like this are not common at all. He said, there's only four or five like it, but you know, I see. And so they want to preserve life on the planet and they are worried we're going to screw it up. Yeah, that seems to be a common theme among experiences as far as what gets relayed. Oh, and they told me that there's pyramids all over the galaxy, there are evidently power sources and sources of healing rather than teams. You know, it's funny you say this. I feel like 20 years ago in conventional archeological circles, they would have said that that's totally quacky. And now you have people like Christopher Dunn, who's, you know, I don't know if you're familiar with this guy is like a former aerospace guy coming out saying, you know, that it looks like the pyramid is some sort of power plant. And now we actually have synthetic aperture radar scans underneath the pyramids that where it looks like there might be these sort of coiling columns, these hollow tubes that go down possibly a kilometer deep. So you have increasing speculation. We know that there have never been any teams found in these structures. And we were just talking earlier that below Dan Dera, you actually have hieroglyphics that translate to stargate. - The Egyptians talk about stargates. - Do they? - Go to, where is it, Dan Dera? There's actually a couple places, the literal translation. You can read it on the walls. I always show people when we go there. It is, there are two or three depictions of stargates. That is the little translation for it. - We know there are actually little chambers where a human could probably lie in and, you know, some of these, I think in the Great Pyramid. - Yeah, that sarcophagus they called it in the Queen's Chamber. It's probably a healing device. - Yeah, I have a theory where gravity is not a, a pulling force, but a pushing force. And so if you're accelerating through space, you experience inertia. If space is accelerating towards you, you experience gravity. And zero point energy is turned into real energy. And the core is of planets and stars. And that creates a partial vacuum in the ether that causes the ether to accelerate towards that gravitating body. And that creates gravity. - So you, I mean, there's so many different threads, I want to, yeah, it's like the, you know, the movie stargate, literally with Kurt Russell, you know, the Air Force actually consulted on that. And it's like, it's this portal or something. And then it would explain the astronomical alignment, the idea that all the ancient civilizations thought that the souls actually, the soul moved through Orion's belt, which it seems, you know, aligned with. But there are some interesting questions, I feel like I have to press on that arise from what you just said. The ether, you know, they say was disproved in the 1890s with the Michelson Morley experiment. - It wasn't, it wasn't disproved. Even Einstein said in this later lecture is that there could be an ether, although it would have to be multi-dimensional and have strange properties as well, and that's the case. I mean, the ether, I believe they told me this too, but other people have come up with this theory that, that the ether is composed of tiny particles that are on the order of the Planck mass and the Planck dimensions. There are like 10 to the 20th times smaller than an atomic nucleus. And they have a magnetic and electric dipole moment and interact with each other much more strongly than interact with ordinary matter. And matter going through it without accelerating does not experience a force 'cause it actually can superfluid. But when it's accelerating, there's an electromagnetic drag force that they call the people that believe in this theory called the Rindler flux, which causes inertia. And you can actually derive the effect in the second law by assuming a spatial structure of that nature. - Interesting. Well, who's developed this theory? - Several physicists, I don't recall their names off-hand, but I didn't look at that for you. - Yeah, yeah, I'd love to. You know, you're right that later Einstein said general relativity is not actually incompatible with the ether, so that is an important. And then I would also say about the Michelson-Morley experiment. You know, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. And so we just don't know, but I do think, yeah, that's this kind of hotly debated contested thing. So it's a very interesting theory. - Yeah, the Michelson-Morley experiment, the ether is probably being dragged by the instrument itself that might account for the results of no observable ether movement. But there was another guy named Millican, I believe his name was, that actually did come up with some positive results for motion through the user. - That's interesting. I didn't. We didn't know that about, Robert Milliken was at Caltech and at Townsend Brown actually studied under him and then they kind of got into it because Milliken didn't really believe in Brown's stuff, ironically, Brown believed what you said, which is that gravity's more of a push than a pull. And so you're saying, 'cause Milliken did a lot of the experimental proving of Einstein's photoelectric effect from 1905. But I didn't know that he had something to do with the ether and detecting the ether, that's fascinating. Yeah, he said he detected it and he was a pretty high powered physicist. Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. I didn't detect it directly, but he detected Earth's motions for the answer by an experiment on Mount Wilson, I believe it was. Wow, fascinating. We'll have to look into that. You know, it's interesting. We take so many things for granted that we've never detected like dark matter. Yeah. But the ether is like completely like we're not allowed to talk about. It's like a dirty word. Yeah, I don't think I believe in dark matter after 50 years of experimentation. There's no evidence for it at all. And you don't really even need dark matter to explain the results. The reason they possibly had a dark matter in the first place is because of the motion of the galaxies, they behave as though either gravity is acting as an inverse linear force at those distances, or there's a halo of a massive matter above and below the galaxy. Well, the apostuiting gravity is an inverse linear force at those distances is actually a simpler explanation than monstuiting some unknown form of matter. Yeah. I think you're right. Because I would bet against dark matter and dark energy. So dark energy is not one of the four fundamental forces. It's this sort of, you know, just I think dark energy is a zero point energy. That's what causing the earth or the universe to expand more rapidly, rather than supposed to be slowing down according to Einstein. But dark energy, AKA zero point energy is causing the expansion to accelerate. It's fascinating. Quantum vacuum fluctuations. Right. Yeah. I mean, okay. We can have a whole other discussion on physics. I want to stick with this. So you experienced this kind of profound thing. You end up with this, you know, implant in your toe. So you don't know what's happened at that point because you haven't gotten a hypnotic regression. Is that point? Yeah. I didn't know. I didn't remember what happened. I just, I woke up and I knew that I had an implant in my toe. The aliens had been there in the middle of the night and I had one more on the side of my head too. Really? My, my head kind of hurt right there. Whoa. And that shows up in a stud finder. Okay. Wow. And then you get in touch with Roger Lear. Yeah. And you email him? I just went to his office. Okay. He just showed up. He just made an appointment and went over there and told him I had a possible foreign object in my toe. And in the middle of the appointment, I told him that it was a, it was a possible alien implant or an abduction related. No, excuse me. I don't think he believed me at first, but he gave me a prescription to get an x-ray. And he said to give a copy of the film of the patient and I definitely saw something on the x-ray. And that was wild. That is extremely wild. What did it look like? Well, I could tell people too that there's a heck of a difference between strongly suspecting that something like this is going on with you, which I had for years and knowing for sure. And proof like that, you know, for sure. Yeah. But it looked like it looked like a piece of bent piece of wire on the x-ray. And it was, it was larger in real life when we took it out, then it looked on the x-ray. Wild. Okay. So you see this x-ray and then do you have a hypnotic regression and you remember the full experience with these alien beings? Yeah. Pretty much. And it's Roger Lear at that point kind of bought into the extraterrestrial or other entity, non-human hypothesis. Oh, yeah. He was excited. He wanted to come over and check out my house and we found all kinds of anomalies, anomalous magnetic fields, leaves and the trunk of the avocado tree had become magnetized. And the kitchen, stainless steel and eyes had become magnetized and the wood of the cabinets and all kinds of stuff. Wood seems to be a very susceptible to magnetization by alien equipment. Interesting. I think it says, normally, it wouldn't be, yeah. It's either a magnetic monopole or magnetic fields beyond a certain strength, leave a residue. Magnetic monopoles make a certain amount of sense. It would be, it would be ether that had a magnetic charge to it that would be absorbed into the material. And it seems to decay away over a period of several weeks. And how many implants did Roger Lear remove? He removed a total of, I believe, 17 from 17 different people. Wow. And how many have you removed? I haven't removed any. I don't know. I don't have a license to operate on. Okay. But you sort of look into this. I attended the last three removal surgeries, including my own. Okay. And how many have you seen, like, first ten? I've seen probably six or seven. Wow. And does any of part of you or does any part of, you know, from your conversations with Roger Lear think that this could have been human tech? No. Most of them did not look like human tech at all to us. And it was reasonably that the materials came from, not only from space, but from other part of our galaxy. But we did find, or he did find one or two that looked like human tech that looked like just standard microchips. Well. And so such a crazy territory to kind of operate in or think about. So you think there are maybe a couple that represent, I mean, what would those microchips have come out of? Well, the government's experimenting with implants too, but they're much less sophisticated than ones the aliens use. Right. And they're much bigger. Yeah. And that would make sense. I mean, the government has had like sort of mind control programs, you know, M.K. Ultras sort of stuff, and they probably have used chips. But these things are, they have isotope ratios that don't normally occur on earth that would cost millions of dollars to create an eccentric huge. Any other sort of abnormalities or anomalies? Well, I noticed that in three of the implants that had the isotopic abnormalities, the heavier isotopes in those elements were overrepresented. I talked to people who really did analyze the stuff from the real deal stuff, and it's super weird. It's like heavy element, you know, European, California, and stuff. It's like in these atomic arrangements that make like no sense, you know, this is through X-ray diffraction where they can image the shadows of the atomic pairs and stuff. And it's like, why is all these crazy heavy elements in this like weird ceramic metal hull structure? And it doesn't, we don't understand the emergent metamaterial property. So it was either either they come from closer to the center of the galaxy where there's heavier supernova, always heavy elements are created in supernova explosions where there's a massive cascade of neutrons in one part of the explosion. Rapid neutron capture creates these elements heavier than iron, and so it's either that or the elements had been exposed to a massive quantity of neutrons. Either way, it's very strange and most likely way beyond human technology. Yeah. And a lot of neutrons would be outside the V&L and radiation belt or something, you know, you know. And a reactor or a zero point energy energy generator? Also then the no immune reaction, it's like you think of Elon Musk as a tip of the spear with technology and, you know, he had all these issues with the, you know, electrode implants in people's brains where there would be a mean reaction. Even to this day, I believe Nolan Arbaugh, the first patient, I think might need some like tweaking after like the first thing worked because of this sort of immune reaction issue. Yeah. Dr. Lear told me that any foreign object in the body produces an immune reaction, silicone produces the least immune reaction of all substances known, but even that produces a fair amount as a lot of women that got silicone breast implants could testify. But these produce none whatsoever. It's just very beyond strange. Have you noticed commonalities in behavioral patterns changing from some of these patients? Um, it's hard. I think there are some changes, but it's the hard to to notice. I know that when I had my toe implant, it was like very subtle, but it was like there was some sort of a, of a governor put in my thoughts or a, and I felt more free once it was removed. Yeah. But it was very subtle. Wow. And people were telling me that I, I didn't look well and I had a great complexion or something when I had the implant. Really? Yeah. So it affected you in sort of a negative way. Apparently, yeah. Why do you think, ah, it's so strange. Ideally, you know, the alien tech or whatever would, you know, be so, so, you know, if it's not creating an immune reaction, it wouldn't, you know, suppress your thoughts in any sort of negative way. Oh, maybe, maybe that, maybe that, what they told me about it being a monitoring device just a cover story. Maybe they were trying to produce some changes or something. It's fascinating, but they definitely were hesitant to put it in because they knew it's certain investigation. And I suspected that I was an experienceder for a year that had had missing time experiences and had no other way to account for them, but it's kind of easier to be an easy to be in denial if you don't have any real concrete proof. So while the conversation for me, because you seem like a very smart guy, and then a lot of these things are just so out there. I mean, I wouldn't even entertain. I'm a scientist. I wouldn't even entertain a lot of this stuff. I didn't have proof. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're backing up all your claims, so it's really amazing. Dr. Roger Leard, did you find him to be fully kind of bought into the kind of non-human hypothesis of the origin? He was fully bought into the extraterrestrial hypothesis. And he was 17 or 18 implants that he removed to? 17, I believe. 17. And then he had no background in this. He was just a podiatrist. And yeah, he thought it was ridiculous at first, too, but did he stumble upon a part like there was one of his patients or something? Well, he went to a convention, I think, the UFO Congress, and he met Darryl Simms, there who was the original guy in implants. And he tried to convince Dr. Leard that it was worth looking into. And Dr. Leard said, "Ah, you're full of it and everything." And another friend of Dr. Leard convinced him to go take another look. And he went back and told Simms that if you can get some patients out here that have these things, I'll x-ray them and take the object out of what's there. And we'll find out what it is. Did Leard ever try to write an academic paper on any of this stuff? Yeah, he and I tried to write a paper and we tried to publish it in the journal of scientific exploration. And the first day, first they said they were excited to have it. Then I think somebody got to them and they said that it was ridiculous. They didn't want to publish it. And we weren't even saying it was alien. We just said it was an unknown object recovered from somebody's somebody's leg. And they really gave us a hard time about it. And I'm pretty sure that somebody told them not to publish it. That's so crazy. It's like, yeah, because it's funny, you can go on chat GPT and they say, "Roger Leard has no academically peer-reviewed papers or whatever." It's like you tried. We didn't try it. And it's funny. I think you always have to sanitize the results and just say, "No, we found something anomalous." We're not even jumping to conclusions. But even then, sometimes there's this sort of antibody rejection of a lot of these findings. There's a friend of mine, Beatrice Viori-Al. She's an astronomer from Stockholm University. And PhD out there. And she, basically, from the Palomar Observatory, which was one of the most prominent observatories in use in the '40s and '50s. She noticed all sorts of these what look like essentially UFO-like objects, these light-reflecting objects that look like kind of mirrors in orbit. Yeah, yeah. And Geo. Yeah, they recruited Clyde Tombaugh, the discovery of Pluto, to investigate those two. That's fascinating. So there's a history of looking into these geosynchronous objects that seem to exist in the tens of thousands. And he wrote an article. Tombaugh wrote an article saying that Earth had some smaller moons orbiting at about 500 miles up. And I know from my own experiences that gray motherships orbited about that altitude. And they launched the smaller UFOs that actually you out in sortie to abduct people and such. So fascinating. Because the other the other thing is, you know, I go back to forth on the moon landing stuff where if I'm debating with the skeptic on the moon landing, it's like I'm extremely open to us having actually landed on the moon. But there's something's off about the whole story. Something is off. Well, they're concealing a lot. There's a lot up there. They don't want people to see. But that's so it's like maybe they saw something along the way, you know. And interesting that you should mention the moon stuff, I found out that Apollo 13 may not have failed by a mechanical problem, may have been zapped by the aliens. They may have had a nuclear warhead on bird. What? Yeah. How did you find that out? Well, I can't prove it, but it was the next logical step in their seismic program where Apollo 11 put a seismograph on the moon and so did Apollo 12 and it rang like a bell. On Apollo 12, they crashed the send stage of lunar module into the moon and it rang like a bell for hours. Then on Apollo 13, when they were approaching the moon, they crashed through the stage of the Saturn 5 into the moon and made a bigger bang and rang like a bell for even longer. And so if Apollo 13 had landed on the moon, they would have had three seismographs and would have been able to probably map the interior of the moon a little bit with the seismic waves that would be generated by another event. And the next logical step would have been to put a remote detonated small nuclear device on the moon and detonated up the astronaut's leave. Jesus. So, but you're just hypothesizing that you have no evidence. I have no real evidence, but one thing that made me really suspicious that this might be true is that I remember when I was a kid following this mission and when the lunar module was coming back to Earth, the atomic energy commission would just going eight over this. And they wanted the lunar module to put on a trajectory that would put it into a deep ocean trench. And their level of concern was they said it was because of that of the radioactive thermoelectric generator on board, but their level of concern was a lot more consistent with it being a warhead. Whoa, that's fascinating. So, they were that freaked out. Even though it might endanger the astronaut's lives to do that, they wanted that thing crashed into a deep ocean trench. Yeah. They've had RGGs on spacecraft before that have re-entered that they weren't that concerned about. It's really interesting. Yeah, it's funny. You know, there's actually an Air Force project that's documented called Project A119. And it was literally to nuke the moon as a show force against the Soviets. And Carl Sagan actually had a temporary clearance. Yeah, I remember that. It's a look to look into doing this. So, we know that in the late 50s, obviously before the Saturn Apollo projects that this was being considered. So, who knows? I mean, you might be right, man. Well, I know that if there were no aliens on the moon or anything else like that to worry about, I think they raise on the moon, by the way. And they told us not to come back without permission anyway. And that's. You think they said don't come back without permission? Well, Armstrong was overheard at a party saying that. Really? What party? Some party in Washington, D.C. with big waves and several people said that he said that. And he said that the Grey's said that's here to say, but. The Grey's said don't come back until we give you permission. Something without effect. Any other details there? Well, some people at now, some whistleblowers at NASA said that he was on a private channel after landing on the moon and said that the spacecraft landed on the moon right after they did a few miles away and were watching him. And it was probably the same one that they said they saw following him. The whole Apollo 11 crew said a few years ago on television that there was some object following into the moon that they thought it was the third stage of their booster at first, but NASA confirmed that the booster was like 700 miles away. And this object was maybe only about 5 or 10 miles from them. Jesus Christ. And you definitely have documented audio from the Gemini missions. And then there's a literally like they're freaking out about UFOs. There's an outage, you know, showing some sort of electromagnetic anomaly present. And then in the. I have this book actually the Simpkinson textbook that shout out to my buddy Chris Ramsey from the great show Area 52. He made me wear this book where this UFO is like airbrushed into the photo for the Gemini 11 mission where it's this like kind of tongue-in-cheek joke. If you're, you know, this is official NASA archivist airbrushed this UFO, which looks like the best UFO photo ever. Well, the astronauts used to admit to it long ago before the security was outtight. And I think they were seeing these things almost every mission in the early days. So wild. Well, the people that they implant, they've abducted about 3% of the American population, a Korean doctorler. I think that's about right. It's probably between three and 5% that take samples. What is he basing that off of? Is this like sort of a census style like extrapolation? Yeah, it's on research and extrapolation. Okay. And based on what I have seen most, most like all class two experiencers that are actually at the next level part of the alien program, um, have implants, but the, the first class where they just take samples from do not generally. And, um, uh, about, um, I would say a very roughly about one of a thousand people or a class two experienceers in this, in this country, and it might be similar worldwide, I'm not sure. Um, so if that's the case, then say there's 350 million people in the, uh, in the US, uh, that'd be about, uh, 350,000 people. It's a lot of people walking around with implants. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's like 10 to 15 million for experiences overall and then class two experienceers who get the implants around a few hundred thousand. And it's a standard procedure for, for them to put a brain implant in the class two experienceer that enables them to, um, access your sensory information to, uh, see what you're seeing and hear what you're hearing and probably hear what you're thinking in real time. So you're like an almost an avatar or something, like they're, you're this perceptual, like, drone for them or something. It turns you into a walking bug, you know, and it connects you to a great high of mine. They told me that too. And, uh, all, all individuals in their society are connected to a high of mine, kind of like the Borg on Star Trek, but they have a little bit more individuality than that. And, um, um, every experience they have is recorded. And, um, um, they, um, so if, if all these people are implanted, then they presumably only put the brain implants into people that they can get some good information from. So being that that's the case, they probably know everything that's going on in the society. Hmm. We have Eric Mitchell here who, um, we did an amazing show with yesterday. And he's, you know, what you might call kind of a super-experiencer. You guys are friends. Hmm. You found a few different implants in Eric. Is that, is that right? I don't remember what the results were offhand. Um, my records, uh, we got stolen recently, but, um, I'd like to do the exam again. Uh, but yeah, I saw some indications of implants in an Eric. And, uh, we found some dyes on them recently, alien dyes. We haven't talked about that yet. So before we get to the dyes, the implants, what are, what are we calling indicators of implants? Well, I have a protocol that, um, uh, is, uh, mostly Dr. Laird's protocol that he, uh, turned me on to. Um, you, um, first, uh, inspect, uh, the patient was a, um, a stud finder, a small metal detector that detects conductive objects end of the skin and concentrate on any, any areas of concern first, um, where they think they might have an implant from anything they remember, um, or any symptoms they might have had. And, um, um, if you record the areas where you get stud finder hits, then you over, um, uh, the person with, um, a gals meter, uh, sensitive, uh, magnetometer. And if you get, um, if you get, uh, an area that has, uh, a stud finder and a gals meter hit, um, that's almost certainly an implant because these, these implants, uh, almost always have magnetic fields. So have you had a stud finder and, uh, magnetometer, you know, the scales finder, uh, hit for Eric? I think we had a, I think we had two protocol. Eric, do you remember where exactly they detected one of these implants? Uh, back to my neck, um, my arm. And Dr. Lear, uh, I thought maybe there might be one in my knee. It was like a week's signal. So if he sent me a hundred-pound neodymium magnet, which, uh, I should have been very careful opening that box. So it was like a cartoon. And they always put on me, Dan or us. Yeah, it was. But he wanted me to, um, hold it to my name, maybe 10 minutes a day, you know, watching TV or something like that, go to back in the bowl, we're at, make sure it's safe, and then pull it back out the next night and keep doing that. And he didn't think that it would pull, uh, it to the surface. He, he theorized that it would create like an Eddie bubble and Eddie effect to kind of loosen it from its issue and bring, you know, to the surface, which actually worked. And so do you have any, uh, like incisions or marks or like, you know, any sort of raised skin where either of these implants are? Yeah. Okay. Have you removed anything? No. Okay. No. Two weeks before I was supposed to meet with Dr. Roger Lear, uh, in, um, uh, Eureka Springs Ark and so he unfortunately passed away. Um, yeah, the, um, the portals of entry with these implants, uh, um, heel incredibly fast, um, mind heeled within hours. So, whoa, you, um, yeah, you're not going to find anything. How many implants do you have, like, photo evidence of, um, my six or seven, I think? Could he send some of those over? It'd be cool to show them to the audience and post-production. Yeah. Sweet. Thank you. And, um, yeah. So what are you working on now? What is, what is, is it neutron, nano star tech? Yeah. I have a company called neutron star technologies and, um, neutron star nano technologies, uh, I guess been off of that. And, um, I've been, um, just, um, trying to get that funded and, um, utilize some of the carbon nanotube, knowledge I have, uh, maybe produce some products. And I've been doing scans on, uh, experience, uh, cool. And, uh, I've done probably 400 scans on, uh, on people and, uh, so of those 400 scans, how many produce a hit? Um, well, it's, it's a pre-selected audience. So, um, probably about half, about half while wild. Yeah. Interesting. And at this point, are you sort of, your known as like, you know, Roger Lear's, you know, living apprentice and so people hit you up. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. So fascinating. What, what, what, how old were you when you had your experience? Uh, I remember having experienced at age five, where, um, I think that's when they put the brain implant in, uh, we're, I remember, um, um, waking up, uh, before dawn and seeing, uh, a bright yellow, uh, lit up UFO, um, dissapeed UFO hovering over my parents' house. And, um, then I watched it for a couple of minutes and blacked out. Then, uh, woke up about, uh, eight o'clock in the morning and the sun was up. And, um, I, um, had blood all down the front of me and, uh, had a vague memory of somebody putting something, uh, something at my nose. Jesus. And this was, so this is age five. This is well before the toe experience. Yeah. Yeah. And where are you living at the time? Oxnard, California. Okay. What did your parents do? Um, not much. They just, uh, so we had a nosebleed in us. Wow. I mean, what did they do professionally? My dad was a dentist, um, and, um, was, uh, a Colonel in the Army Reserve. And, um, my, my mother was, uh, uh, a assistant at one point, uh, and, uh, bookkeeper at one point and was, uh, housewives the rest of the time. And they, they did, did they freak out when they saw you with blood running down? What was their reaction? Not really. I mean, um, uh, my parents were, um, not the type that freaked out about that sort of thing. Interesting. Um, that might be, uh, because of alien conditioning. I, I would, did they have their own experiences? Uh, my father admitted much later that, uh, he had, he had, uh, dreams of being on board a UFO and he said, he saw a UFO, uh, one time over, um, central California. Wow. Uh, cylinder code UFO with a red light on the front. He said, as a, as a, um, uh, Colonel in the reserves, did he have any sort of affiliation with any possible resengineering programs or like deeper spookier? I don't, I don't, I don't think so, but I think there's a lot of heat. He was, uh, reluctant to tell me. Hmm. And, um, he said he did call, um, the, um, uh, military, uh, the nearest military airfield to where he had the sighting and reported it. Yeah. It's fascinating. And so, okay. So wow. So your five years old, you see this bright object. Do you remember vividly being on that craft? No, you don't. Okay. So you just, I think I think they came down into my room to put it in that time. And you had, and you, where is the implant? It's, it's, it was it, it's, it's in the brain, it's in the brain, the frontal lobes of the brain. And do you still have it there? I'm sure it is wild. And, um, I've got one above each year. Uh, apparently, um, uh, I wasn't sure about those, I saw them on X-ray barely, but they're really, really small. What? And, but they started giving off, they started giving off radio signals during a Japanese TV show. I was, uh, filming. Oh, my God. So what were you doing? I know they're there now. What were you doing on Japanese TV? Um, they wanted to interview somebody with implants. Well, and you see, and you had your five years old and you have blood all over and she, that's traumatic, man. That's like a tough, crazy thing to go through. Well, uh, this experience is pretty traumatic for a lot of people. Yeah. Um, it's like there's certain advantages to it. Um, uh, you get to fly in space. I mean, a lot of these abductions are take place on gray motherships and orbit. Yeah. Um, and I remember, I remember seeing the earth from space, uh, being up there and, um, but, um, you just have to take the, the bad with the good. I mean, And I hate to tell people this, but these people are. way too powerful to fight. Yeah, then there are experts at mind control that can make you do anything you want, and then they want you to do willingly. Of this, that's how I don't even know how to answer to talk about that. In the 200 out of the 400 that you personally found implants in, do these people have usually UFO experiences associated with the implants or in certain cases are, is it like people coming into their room sort of thing? They usually remember seeing UFOs and they'll remember being on board UFOs, but it's both. I mean, sometimes they come into your room and do whatever they need to do and other times they come and get you and take you up the orbit and if they want to do anything special or whatever. Do you think at any point in time some of the mind control stuff we discussed earlier, was aliens were used to sort of some sort of smoke screen for that? There's a book called Controllers by a guy named Martin Cannon and he talks about MK Ultra, but then the air MK often and how there are implants involved in some of these things and how they would shade people's experiences to make them think that they were alien. To be honest, it's kind of a slim, poorly researched book that doesn't, for me, explain everything neatly at all, but yeah, what's your take? I think that that may occur. I think that MK Ultra might do that sometimes, but I think that the vast majority of the experiences people have are more or less what happened and really are aliens. I have no doubt in my mind that the aliens are here and they exist and there's more than one species involved. Yeah, I mean, there's so many cases that I also encounter where I'm like, you can just can't explain that with, you know, human prosaic tech. I do find it interesting. You were at, you were at UCLA in the 80s. You know who was head of the UCLA psychiatry department at that time. Are you aware? I probably was, but it's got him Jolly West. Did you ever interact with him at all? No, no. He was like a head hauncho in the MK Ultra stuff. Well, yeah, I'm not surprised. I did need to work at the UCLA Neurosycheiatric Institute as a researcher for about five years. Okay. Okay. He probably had authority over that branch of it. He might have. Yeah, I don't know, but definitely a spooky, not great guy. I think he got in trouble for like dosing up an elephant with a ridiculous amount of LSD and then the elephant died and he's on record, there are letters between him and Sydney Gottlieb. There's a great book called Chaos by a guy named Tom O'Neill who's become a friend of mine. He basically has a hypothesis that Charles Manson was a MK Ultra patient and it's really crazy. He may have been. I think that that guy that shot John Lennon was a MK Ultra guy and I think Syrihan Syrihan the shot Robert Kennedy was too. I think so as well. Yeah. Yeah. So that's this. It's a weird threat. But so there's that stuff and then the do you think what do you think these the implants are doing when it comes to the alien? You think it's just it's just tagging its biometrics and and then maybe there's some mind control stuff going on. It's perceptual. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know all the details of what they do. They keep the aliens keep that mostly secret but I think some of them are medical monitoring devices. Some of them are tracking devices and some are the brain implants actually enable them to hear and see what you're hearing and seeing in real time. Any of the structure that you've investigated kind of allow you to see what the functionality might be like because you're you're looking into nanotechnology. So presumably this would use nanotechnology. They do. Yeah. They're there's sophisticated nanotechnology devices. Most of them have carbon nanotubal electronics built into the metal and that's beyond our technology. And there's strange structures. I can show you some of the electron micrographs. Please. And there's very strange structures that would be beyond our technology to form right now. I'm not sure what they do, but I suspect that it was something to do with emitting the radio signals. Of a lot of these people you encounter is it usually graze? Is it sometimes nordics or reptilians or some of these other sort of archetypes? I remember seeing mostly different types of graze on board the craft. The real short worker type graze and the ones about four and a half feet tall that I call the scientists engineer types. And I have a handler that's one of those. I think most class two experiences have a handler. What do you say handler? What does that mean? A contact person that is in charge of your case on board ship? Wow. So a being. Yeah, being. And how do you like are you still telepathically in touch with that handler or something or? I have reason to believe. I mean, I think he's here in here in the sole conversation right now. Whoa. What's up handler? And they record everything that is experienced by every member of their society and that includes class two experiences. When you get the brain implant, it can actually be a great hive mind, like this. This is wild. Does any part of you think that humans discovered, you know, there's this, I think in them, really 2000s, there was this concern of the like runaway gray goo nanotech, you know, scenarios. And nanotech was all the rage in the early 2000s and then it's sort of like one away. And does any part of you think that humans can do any of this stuff like in deep black contexts? I think that nanotechnology is not that dangerous as long as you don't design some microprobe that self-replicating. Yeah, that was the gray goo scenario. Even if even if you did, I'm not sure it would be all that dangerous, but I think what is dangerous is AI. If they ever do develop true self-aware AI, I think that would be extraordinarily dangerous. Yeah, seems like the aliens don't believe in it, so I think that's why. Yeah, they believe in computers, but they're controlled by minds. Do you think there are good and bad factions of aliens? Or do you think they're all good or all bad? No, I think there's good and bad factions. They're mainly out for themselves, but they're not all, they're not scum sucking evil either. I mean, they want humanity to mature into a peaceful, more peaceful species and become members of the Galactic Federation or whatever you want to call it. But they're mostly here to mine the earth in the moon and collect biological samples. That seems reasonable and not bad. What do you think of modern discourse? They don't care about the suffering they inflict on people. That's one bad thing about them. Everything is for the group with them. They're collective mind. They don't care about individual sign. They just care about what best for the group. Why do you think they care so much about nuclear? They seem to show up. Some of my favorite interviews have been these guys that are often in their 70s and 80s at this point. They've worked at nuclear bases all over the US. And in certain cases, they board crafts. They have implants. They're close encounters of the third kind. And I guess what you're calling type two abductions or something. Yeah. I think a lot of top military people are implanted and the aliens keep tabs on them. But I think they don't want us having news because A, it makes us too powerful. B, it has the great potential to script the planet, and script a lot of their plans for this place. And C, it can damage the planet's life force. I've reason to believe there's structures in the ether that contribute to life on this planet somehow. And a nuclear blast could disrupt that at least in the general area where it was detonated. And they said that also that it screws up their communications and leads to problems and other dimensions that they didn't want to go into. Yeah. No, that is interesting about like they seem to show up at nuclear disaster. Like there's this literally this monk at this shinto temple in Fukushima. And when they had their 2011 famous nuclear spell due to the earthquake, he was like the UFO showed up and cleaned up the temple. They were trying to believe it's radiation. Exactly. There's a Harvard PhD named Jensen and Dresan who writes about it, basically a similar experience in Chernobyl. And they measured this like nuclear tower before and after. And so I think it goes beyond just them not wanting us to blow ourselves up. There's something about the ambient electromagnetic radiation of just the earth that is this perfect kind of petri dish, you know, biosphere. Yeah, that that that makes sense. And there's maybe the maybe the earth is actually admitting some of this, but there's there structures in the ether that our life giving and it might even resurrects. to make sting species at some point in the time. And nuclear blast could disrupt out of radiation in general, it can disrupt out. And also, the government's known for years, the aliens definitely have this technology. And the government's known for years that you can actually affect the decay rate of radioactive isotopes by certain scalar electromagnetic waves. Scalar waves are a special form of electromagnetic radiation that is a different structure. It's a more fundamental form of electromagnetic radiation than the transverse waves they talk about in the textbooks. And it interacts with the nuclei, rather than the electrons and atoms, like transverse waves do. Explain what a scalar wave is, because scalar physics and scalar waves are often thrown around in these superhand wavy waves. And yet, they're often used as terms extended electrodynamic scalar waves by people who I really respect in, kind of, aerospace world. So what's your definition? They're trying to keep it secret. But enough has got out to know the basics. A guy, Dr. Tom Bearden, talked about this a lot in his books, if you'd read any of those. Yeah. And anyway, a scalar wave, a transverse wave, EM wave is a wave that has the E in the B fields, perpendicular to each other. And it moves in a manner perpendicular to both. And the E and the B fields are in phase. In a scalar wave, the electric magnetic fields are 90 degrees out of phase. And the magnetic field curves around like that. And the electric field radiates as if it's coming from a positive or negative charge point. And it's like a sound wave in the ether, basically. And they can travel faster than a light. They're not restricted to light speed. So I've heard similar things to that. And then the two places I always get frustrated is I'm like, have we ever measured a scalar wave? And usually the answer, like, have we? Do you think we have? I think we have lots of times. And how would we measure it? I've classified labs. But I have reason to believe that I haven't done the experiment yet. I'd love to get in the lab and do some. But some sort of quantum sense. I have reason to believe that you can generate scalar waves with standard radio equipment, but a different type of antenna. You'd use a dome-shaped antenna, a capacitive antenna with, say, a plastic dome with metal on both sides. And you connect the electrodes of the oscillator to each metal piece. Fascinating. And why do you think that that design would allow you to transmit scalar wave? Towns and Browns work basically. Yeah. Well, he had an asymmetric capacitor where the negative electrode was larger than the positive electrode. But I think, basically, my sense is that the main thing is big electric field differentials. If you create big electric field differentials, then you can somehow harness the quantum vacuum fluctuation stuff. Yeah, high voltage works better if it was out. I have reason to believe I wish I had some concrete proof for you, but just reading all this stuff that's available and thinking about it a lot and put this to the other. But yeah, I think high voltage should work better for that. Yeah, it's very interesting. Yeah, I mean, high voltage is definitely correlate with high electric field strength than in their ways to amp up the electric field strength, kind of artificially as well, but so fascinating. So, what are you trying, how do we advance on this topic now? Is this, are we just in the stone age when we find these implants? Are we just like, do we think this works like XYZ, but we just have no idea what we're kind of looking at? Well, I think the next step is we have to do more research on the implants, excuse me, while they're still in the body. And try to measure exactly how much they're transmitting and try to decode some of the signals. And after they're removed from the body, I think we need to try to connect the carbon nanotube bundles that are at the main connections to the device. We should try stimulating those with different voltages and see what happens under electron microscope or under microscopy in general. It wouldn't have to be an EM for that, I guess. Is there anybody else systematically looking into this besides you? No. And the third thing I would do is use fast atom bombardment to shave off the device's layer by layer and map the distribution of elements in each layer and the distribution of carbon nanotubes. That would be fascinating. I mean, if you could do some atom by atom analysis, that would be also just groundbreaking. Because if these things are fabricated on the atomic layer, then that's not something that we can do. They look like they're grown somehow. That's so wild. Like they're biological themselves or something. Or nanotube logic. They look like they were grown by some sort of mechanical life, like the transformers on the movies. That's a hand-weighting thing, I guess, but that's the best I can do right now. But putting that-- putting a device like that so complex together by standard methods would be next to impossible, I think. And the other thing I wanted to say is that when I first got into this, I thought the aliens were probably only a few hundred years in advance of us technologically. But now I think that it might be more like a million years in advance of us. Why is that? Well, they show off once in a while and show experiences exactly how far ahead of us they really are. One incident that really impressed me was that they zapped my car with some kind of an energy weapon when I was going to Dr. Lyrs office to film him. I'm testing the implant while I was still in the body. And the mechanic said later that the computer in the car was fried like it was supposed to EMP or something. And so I had to walk like-- they did it when I was in this cannon, didn't get any cell phone reception. So I had to walk like two miles down the canyon to get cell phone reception and call him. And he and the film crew showed up and picked me up and brought me to the office. And when they got to the office, he goes, see, come here, you got to see this. And he'd pulled my X-ray out of a stack of X-rays. And it was in a stack with about 200 other X-rays. And he showed it to me. And the lettering from the outside of the envelope that the X-ray was in had somehow been transferred to the developed X-ray film. What? Yeah, I'm not even sure in theory how I could do that. So it's like access to reality levels of manipulation or something. Something like that. Another time my son and I were driving to our old vacation place in Bullhead City, Arizona and we were on Highway 40 out in the remote area. And I saw this bright, light hovering over this value about 5 or 10 miles away. And it was really bright. And I go, hey, look here, there's a UFO. And he goes, what, I don't see anything. And I'm like, how could you not see that? It's like it was brightest Venus. And so I was tripping out on that and go well, you know. And then a few miles down the road, he started seeing ones that I couldn't see. It's like they can control who sees them and who doesn't know how to do that either. Yeah, not only signature management, but like unique signature management for the person perceiving. Yeah, I have some theories about how they might manage to close themselves in general by various methods. But what do you think it is? Selective seeing like that sounds a little hard to do. That seems really hard to do. Do you think that's like the access to our brains? And they have access to the signature management stuff. Do you think that we have reverse engineering programs and crash retrievals? Oh, yeah, I think that's all true. Yeah. Do you have any, what's your like, you know, highest conviction hardest evidence on that? Because you seem like an evidence-based person. Well, I analyzed some of the records from the San Augustine in Mexico, UFO crash, and I analyzed a piece of an alien orb or sphere from the time in the sun, you got a hold of. And was this the Boogey sphere? No, not the Boogey sphere, but another one. The Boogey is a different design. But this one was about this big round and it had a large vaporized from the looks of it. The holes in the north and the south poles of the sphere. The edges of the holes have been damaged by tremendous heat. And I'm assigned by it from a farmer that farmed about 100 miles. I saw the US border near Brownsville, Texas on the East Coast of Mexico, and he said that when it crashed, it produced an explosion that killed a cow at 100 meters away, and if there was a strong magnetic field around the craft which or the orb, which I have reasonably as there was, then the collapse of the magnetic field is what released the energy that vaporized the metal at the top and bottom. Why do you think this whole topic, it's like it attracts a few really smart people like yourself, and then you have so much circumstantial evidence, like an abundance of circumstantial evidence, and then somehow it's like the one smoking gun that we always want is slips through your fingers. I'm talking about this as a person who's deeply, my revealed preference is that I'm deeply interested in this stuff. I think there's a there there. I'm not a skeptic, but it's like this, it's always like the hard drive goes missing at the end. The photo is too little too blurry for the consensus to believe it. It's so frustrated. It depends on what you consider a smoking gun, I think that these extremely skewed isotopic ratios might be considered a smoking gun, and the fact that a lot of these, these pieces are nanotipological devices beyond our technology, and I think that sphere was a made of a titanium alloy that had carbon nanotubes also built into the metal, which I think provided thrust by the by-field brown effect. It did. I think so. I mean, I don't know what else could have made it fly. Do you have this thing? And not anymore. Got stolen. Got stolen? Yeah. Who stole it? My family, if you can believe that. Oh, man, I'm sorry. Yeah. That's horrible. Yeah. Why did they, they took it? Yeah, I still do have some other alien stuff, but yeah, I can't find it anymore. I have a reason to believe it was in some stuff that they stole. Jesus Christ, man. I'm so sorry. That's messed up. It's not cool. No. Do you have, is it, how does your family view, I mean, your wife is here. She's absolutely lovely, and I can tell she's interested in this topic. Do you have other family, and what do they think of your interest in all this stuff? Well, my ex-wife is a Christian fundamentalist or says she is because of her family's convictions, and she's, I think, convinced my kids that I'm of the devil or something along those lines. Jesus. I'm sorry. And my mother is kind of unstable and also has kind of turned my kids against me as well. She's afraid I'll embarrass her by going on, on the air, putting stuff on the internet, things like that. Well, I'm sorry, man. I think your brain is a gift to humanity. So, and so, we don't know where this object is that was taken from you, but. No, I don't know. Oh, damn. That's crazy. And then, what about the piece from St. Augustine Crash in New Mexico? I still have. I still have some of that. That's fascinating. And have you done. You've done isotopic analysis on that, and that has isotope ratios that are weird or. Yes, isotopic ratios on that were not that remarkable. So, that material may have come from her, it may have some manufacturing facilities on Earth, too. What material is it, like what elements? Spanely aluminum. Okay. The sphere was a titanium alloy that, with carbon em, he was built into the metal, and small, like half millimeter voids, introduced into the metal, the lower the density. So, it had tremendous strength, and it was stronger than any titanium alloy I know of. It was about the same density as aluminum. And when you say bifield brown, you're just assuming that that's the anti-gravitational force created through this. You could make capacitors out of the carbon nanotubes. The carbon nanotubes had a capacitive dielectric coating on them in this case. So, it seems a reasonable assumption. So interesting. And you could use that spherical shape as a receiver for scale or energy. Tesla was trying to do that to power flying vehicles. Did he have designs for flying? Yeah. I think he actually flew some of this rumor house. Really? Yeah. And where are those rumors? I didn't know about that. It's amazing. There's a book called Lost Science, I believe it's in there. It's hard to get a hold of now. Do you have any footage of the implant being taken out of any of these patients? I'm not sure if I may have one or two pieces like that. I definitely have a lot of photos and stuff like that. It would be amazing to show as much as we can, just because I think the average person this is so far out. Yeah. I mean, it's it's way people don't believe it because it's so far outside what we're taught. Yeah. And the government's done their best to punish people that believe in this in various ways. Yeah. I feel like I have to ask this question, but I feel like it's important for you because you've seen like a very lovely person. I've really enjoyed this conversation. If you Google your name for whatever reason, this OKC bombing thing shows up. And so I just want to give you an opportunity to address what that is. A massive car bomb exploded outside of a large federal building in downtown Oklahoma city, shattering that building, killing children, killing federal employees, military men and civilians. Oh, yeah. I got in trouble with the feds 30 years ago on a gun charge weapons charge and I got investigated along with 14,000 other people that were into similar things at that time. And they I there as I can figure the ATF was trying to punish me for not cooperating in their investigation by trying to link me to that but bombing. Oh, they were just trying to link you to that. Yeah. And you didn't you never knew Timothy McVey or they never had the proof of any of that. That's so weird. In fact, I found out from a guy that was writing a book on Oklahoma city that I was clearer early on in the investigation, but they kept on saying out on the news that that sucks man. It almost makes me think there's some sort of campaign against you because why is there so much online that I think there is I think they're trying I think they're they're taking full advantage of that whole thing to try to discredit my UFO research. Yeah. And you never crossed paths with McVey at all. You never even met him. No, I met him. Never meant to go. That's so crazy. And he never you see a lake in action or anything like that. No. No. No. That's a weird man. I'm sorry. Well, you know, if I wrote down everything that's occurred in my life in an autobiography, I don't think anybody believe it. Yeah. Yeah. But I experienced it. So. Yeah. But what's anything come to mind? Well, just all the stuff and, you know, first they try to link me to this Oklahoma saying and then the helium show up and yeah, just a very very odd series of events. Yeah. And is there is there anything about your is there anything about your father or his history that might be related to so you said at the end of his life, you sort of admitted that he was, you know, maybe, you know, was taken up on a craft. Do you think he's doing any sort of covert work in any of these areas or I'm not sure. I don't think he was doing any covert work, but he was, he kept things pretty close to his chest. So I think if he was, I'd be the last person he would have told. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. I don't know what would have even been going on at Oxenard specifically, but. Yeah. Yeah. There's a, there's a military base there that, near there that was very important at one time, point me. Okay. Point me get. What did they do at Point McGill? Tested a lot of missiles. Okay. Submarine launch missiles and air air missiles, mostly. Okay. It's fascinating, man. Well, I really hope you get all the support for your work. You're trying to raise money for this, this, this company. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. The economy being so bad right now, I haven't had a whole lot of success, but I'm still hoping to get that off the ground. Well, hopefully this gets amplified among people with deep pockets who are interested. I think in supporting, you know, some of the most frontier science and work. Oh, very wealthy people have come forward a couple of times and wanted to support my work, but it fell through and I had reason to believe is the time that the government told him not to do it. Really? Well, Bigelow is going to hire me for his company at one time, too, and that also fell through. Why do you worry? Strange. What do you think it is? You know, with Bigelow and a lot of these guys, it's like, there's this desire to get into this stuff and you really want to know. And then things get like dark at a certain point. Like it's, it's sort of, it's a very, and I find this, you know, with my own inquiries into the topic where like it's just, it's hard to navigate because there's a lot of weird stuff. You know, there's a lot, there's a lot of bad, there's a lot of bad energy and then there's just good energy, too. There are amazing people in this field, but a lot of people are attracted to it for the wrong reasons. And there's, I think there's even like a. like an old testament line about trying to use, trying to go into, you know, kind of sacred stuff using it with a commercial impulse. And that being like this really, you know, bad thing to do, having said that, I think we live in a capitalist system. And like, the only thing that kind of works in the modern days, like start a company around the thing. So I'm not like anti-all companies. You know, I used to invest in companies. So it's this weird, but it is this weird thing where I think if the motivation is to make money off the thing, it often goes south. And I don't know Bigelow. I'd love to interview him, but my sense is, it sort of didn't pan out maybe in the way he wanted it to. Well, Dr. Lear told me that he started this aerospace company because he had an alien experience of his own out in the desert. And they told him to meet them in space. Who said this? This is the aliens told him to meet them in space. Whoa, really? Yeah. So Bigelow had an experience. And the alien said, we'll meet you in space. And then from then on, he like committed his life essentially to looking into all this stuff. UFO reverse engineering, hiring the alien implant specialist, like really? On the Bigelow Aerospace website, there was a little alien head too. Wow. Kind of like he was announcing that or-- That is absolutely wild. The amount of stories you hear like that, like I think Agnew Bonson, who he had it up the Institute for Field Physics and North Carolina Chapel Hill. And he also funded Towns and Brown. So he's working on all this crazy anti-gravity stuff and hosting kind of the top gravity physicists. In the world, Freeman Dyson, Feynman, Peter Bergman, all these guys convened John Wheeler at the Institute of Field Physics in 1957 for this Chapel Hill conference. And he and his diaries talks about like the space brothers talking to him and possibly kind of prompting him to look into this stuff. Towns and Brown had similar experiences where he had space brother experiences that he discusses. So it's like you're being prompted by the beings to look into what their tech is or something. They talked to Tesla too, according to his writing. He said that, yeah, in Colorado Springs, he said he communicated with aliens. Did you ever have anything like that? I mean, I have to ask you because you're working on all this stuff. Did the beings ever say, Steve, you are going to dedicate your life to alien research? I don't remember them saying that specifically, but I've always had an obsession with just kind of research and certain other things. And I think that they do that to a lot of people because once you get obsessed with the topic and you do all this research on it, if they have a brain implant in you, then they know it too. It's that point. So they're getting you to do their research firm. Yeah, it's like this weird distributed science model or something where like they just have-- they're collecting intel through these different scientific nodes or something. It's so trippy. And we're all-- we're all maybe their science experiment. Who didn't? Well, one of the obsessions, part of the reason I got into trouble before is one of the obsessions was with weapons. And I think that's kind of characteristic with some people that are class two experiencers. There was one guy that was most likely a class two experiencer that had a bunch of guns in this house. And it was a big to-do over that. So maybe it's a characteristic, I don't know. Fascinating. Well, Steve, I really appreciate this. It was a lot of fun. I feel like I could talk to you for hours. I could tell we're interested in a lot of the same stuff. And yeah, I really, really appreciate your time. Yeah, no problem with my pleasure. Awesome. [MUSIC PLAYING] , yeah. [MUSIC PLAYING]