Meet the Nuclear Missile Guard Abducted by Aliens

Well, I was assigned to a minute man missile and I was on the night shift and My job that just basically sit there and do nothing really and it was foggy Next thing I know I see this shadow in the fog and looking and I see the shadow and I see a Man which would appear to be a man emerge from the fog But as it got closer I realized this was not what it was and I can feel it in My mind. I mean it was like it was it started driving hold on me For decades there's been a strange and deeply unsettling pattern lurking beneath nuclear weapons and missile facilities Worldwide A pattern that almost no one wanted to talk about in an era of Cold War secrecy Air Force officers whispered about it and most of the people who lived it stayed silent until now. It's all coming out Today's guest is Richard Barth in 1964 he was an Air Force security guard and air policemen stationed at Vandenberg Air Force Base Vandenberg wasn't some remote radar outpost or ghost station. This was the epicenter of American nuclear missile testing Atlas missiles Thor minute man Titan this was the place the United States government went to actually learn whether it's nuclear missiles worked So naturally something else was watching from above and it happened to interact with our next guest a Figure emerging from the mist a moment of absolute terror and seeing this figure's very foreign face loss of control and then lost time All of a sudden Richard is taken he wakes up hovering on a flying saucer with a few more beings Overlooking the entire Vandenberg base Richard is given a message one that directly connects with other alien encounters by nuclear base employees and Perhaps most remarkably this story happens on the exact same month of another Vandenberg UFO incident that you may already know You see Richard had his encounter in September of 1964 that same month Bob Jacobs a photo instrumentation lead Caught video of a UFO that seemed to encircle an atlas missile Target it with lasers We've spoken to Jacobs, and this is a case we discuss all of the time on this show. We could see clearly on film The nose cone separate and then we saw the dummy warhead and suddenly into that frame an object flew in chasing the warhead and so on But the same speed Didn't they delete your records from the government as well people denied that you worked at Vandenberg is that right? They denied there was every a Robert Jacobs in the Air Force and between Bob Jacobs and Richard Barth It looks like while we were testing nuclear missiles in September of 1964 on Vandenberg Air Force Base something else was testing missile defense and deterrence this interview raises some very Uncomfortable questions about access surveillance and intent on our most advanced weapons capabilities And it leaves us with possibilities that are far more strange and destabilizing than are we alone? This episode isn't about believing. It's about listening carefully because whatever is going on at our nuclear bases Doesn't seem random and it doesn't seem finished with us Between 2003 and 2005 five UAP incidents occurred at Vandenberg Air Force Base So without further ado, please enjoy this courageous testimony from this week's American Alchemist Richard Barth I'm here with Richard Barth and this is an honor. I really appreciate you driving to LA to speak with me Robert Hastings is one of my favorite journalists in the UFO space He's written an amazing book called the UFOs and nukes and he is the premier chronicler of all of these amazing veterans who were stationed at nuclear bases across the United States often with you know, pretty high clearances experiencing Tick-tacks, saucers, orbs, UFOs all over these bases and Sometimes nuclear missiles get shut down all sorts of anomalies occur on the bases and in a few cases Like yours, you actually experience a close encounter of the third kind where you see Beings and you experience communication with those beings and so it's an honor to speak with you And I really appreciate you sharing your story. What made you decide to come out now? I was listening to coast to coast one night and it happened to good Robert Hastings although at the time I didn't know but something it just compelled me to call in he was talking about USO's nukes and I had this experience that I had Pretty much kept to myself for quite a while and it just seemed that you know the guy seemed so credible that maybe he might be interested in My particular story so I called up and I was very fortunate. I got right on. I explained to the call First of the monitors a call and he put me right in and we got through about half my story and then we got cut off somehow He last question he asked me was I aware of any lost time and lost time. Yeah, he wanted to know if I had had any lost time During the event and I was going to answer him and everything just went blank There's no response and I didn't know how to get back on so I kind of dropped it but it brought it to the forefront of You know, there's just a credibility of by answering that really Triggered it. So you called into coast to coast and you got through a lot of your story than the call dropped But that brought that to the fore and to to to the mind of Robert Hastings who wanted to follow up on it actually before that I had read Whitney Streiber's book and The it seemed credible to me, but it also Need my experience seem more credible to myself You kind of kind of understand that when something like this happens to you your question Yourself was this real or was this something that you know, I imagined or It's so much part of you that you Accepted it is real, but you still question it How did you end up at Vandenberg Air Force Base in 1964? Okay, I wasn't doing well in college at the time and so I decided I was going to join the Air Force and I went to the recruiter And I had actually had been a pre-med major and so I asked about going into medical core And he said well you got two years of college. He said would you Consider being an navigator and I said I love flying, but I you know, I need four years of college to get commissioned or do anything like that so He it it asked me would I be interested that they had a navigation course that had opened up That the requirements were that you can get in with two years of college And I said yeah, I love flying. I'd love to fly if I could fly So I said why don't you go down take the test and see how you do They sent me down to LA and and I passed that so I said well you're You're in all we got to do is find you a class. So I waited about three or four months for a class to open up for me to get into and I was doing quite well until I got to celestial navigation And I didn't know it at the time, but I had like dyslexia And what was making things bad for me was not on the academics, which I was high on But I would transpose my numbers especially when I get under pressure and I would have one two three One twenty three would become a one thirty two, which is a significant navigation error Well, you do three practice missions in a test mission and I failed the first test mission And then they will send you Again, and I'd allow you to do another test mission And I failed that one and so I was basically washed out of the class When I had joined One of the conditions of joining was that You can Went in under selective service requirement, which was basically two years with some reserve time to follow And if you didn't pass a class you would go on that reserve status or And just finish out your two years and go and reserve status otherwise If you passed you would be commissioned and you would sign up for an additional four years and you would actively Be in the Air Force as an navigator. Well, I just opted. I was going to get out. So that left while I've got 13 months left of my selective service requirement And So they didn't want to put me on position that required a lot of training and so guards don't require a lot of training And I can take something that was relatively close to home. I lived in Los Angeles Van and Berg Air Force base was up the coast above Santa Barbara. I've got a Four-hour drive and that seemed well a my off time and go home and Be with my friends and families. So that seemed okay with me. I thought I can I can do So you were a missile security guard or what's the exact title? And yeah, I missed it as air policeman, but I was assigned to the 43.90 second combat defense squadron. And we were essentially guards. We didn't wear the blue uniforms. We wore fatigues with the end we carried a 38 pistol. And we just basically stood on post all day. And that was there wasn't much training involved other than weapons training. What are the types of things that you guarded on the base? We had the missile maintenance where they assembled the missiles themselves. That was a large hangar. The missiles would be on their sides. They would be the stages would be made it with each other. They would electronics guidance would be in and then they would take them out to the actual side of our large sites where they fueled them and fired. And there were you'd guard like a crypto room where cryptographic information was came in particularly at night when nobody was there. They were locked rooms. But they wanted a guard on there. And frankly we guarded things that didn't be guarding. A lot of these missiles at Panama, a lot of these missiles were set up by the by the manufacturer like Boeing would do the Minuteman Douglas would do the Thor and Lockheed would do the Agina stage Convera would do the Atlas missiles. And those were the four missiles we had. Most of the three missiles of Thor, the Minut, the Thor, the Atlas and the were obsolete basically, but they were great for launching satellites. And you can get the Thor was a light weight missile and immediate range actually not ICBM. And it was good for setting spice satellites because they can get them into the low altitude that they wanted in 150 miles. That's where you took your pictures from. If you had something heavier you'd put it on an Atlas. The Thor was very similar to the red stone that they launched out of jeopardon. It was just to loop them up into space and come down. But then they moved for the remainder of the flights they moved to the Atlas missile which was a two-stage missile which was much more powerful and can get the orbit much higher than that. And then later they did the Titan missile which is an ICBM liquid fuel. And a good thing about the Titan is the Atlas missile required pumping in oxygen and hydrogen just prior to launch which took time. So that you had to do an immediate launch. You could you'd have to 15-20 minutes just feeling the missile before you launched. The Titan fuels didn't were not refrigerated fuels. And that missile could sit in the silo fueled and ready to go and could be launched immediately. So the Titan was in advance over the Atlas. Plus it was much more powerful missile and could carry much larger warheads. We call them reentry vehicles. But they were basically warheads, the atomic warhead. One thing about Vandenberg Airfare Space is that it was not a primary nuclear base. And the reason was it was too easy to take out. It was right on the ocean. You can drop a bomb atomic bomb right in the ocean right next to it. You just had a potato wave or a tsunami wipe out the base and the base becomes useless. So it was too easy to target for for nuclear. But we were right on the ocean and we had the Pacific test range. And it was a great place to fire missiles down over the ocean, down range. Because they were see like the minute man. The minute man were all stationed inland far inland in Montana or Air Force Base or a Malstrom Air Force Base and spread out quite apart because they were difficult targets that way. They were spread out and they were well inland. Trump believes he couldn't launch a missile from there because there was always the possibility that missile would land on, you know, land on at somebody's cow or even a city even worse. But so we could but we could launch over from Vandenberg Airfare Space and then we could bring the crew out for the launch and they can actually launch a missile. But there's other things that could be tested like the amount of, you know, those these were solid fuel, minute man was solid fuel. And that fuel would sit there for a couple of years. Well, what was the integrity of the fuel after a couple of years, you could test that because they all missiles launched on our launched on inertial guidance. In other words, once you've sent them off, they're on their own. The course is set. And the main reason for that is like you can send a missile to the moon and you can make mid course changes. But you don't want to do that because the enemy can make mid course changes and get your missile off target. So once you met the missile was programmed to do a certain projectory and once it was fired, it was on its own. So if the fuel was not in the integrity, the fuel was degraded, it might not get to the target or it's close to the target as you wanted to. So that was one of the things you wanted to test and also give the crew a chest fire of the missile. Do you, I mean, clearly you are right now displaying extensive knowledge of all of these missile systems in a way that to me, unless you, you know, went back and read a bunch of textbooks before this interview. I think it shows that you were at Vandenberg Air Force Base, but for the hardcore skeptics in the audience, you can provide your DD2414 service records. I will give them to me if possible, you have photos of them and stuff. Robert Hastings. Robert Hastings, and that was one thing. You know, he's very, very thorough. When you read his book, each case is well documented, it's sterile. When he vets, he vets each person that he interviews. He's extremely thorough and extremely. And so he's extremely. And he called three separate friends of yours, right, to corroborate that you told them the same details that you told him. His interest was that this is not something I had made up recently went, you know, with the new all this stuff coming out and just wanted to get on the bandwagon. And you've made no money off of this story. No, no attention. In fact, when I wrote originally when I did an email to Robert's solace, go to the first one I tried to contact. The reason being is that my experience was two years prior to Robert's solace is when I heard him interviewed. I thought he might be interested. Well, the really interesting thing is Robert's solace. That's interesting. Did he get back to you or? Not right away. He did and then he didn't follow up. But when I wrote it, I said, I said, I'm not interested in money. I'm not interested in writing a book. But I think there's a relationship between my experience and your experience. In other words, well, I want to get into that relationship after we get into the core details of your experience. But I think even more relevant than Bob Salas who had an extremely interesting experience with 10 missiles shutting down at Malmstrin Air Force Base. He's at Oscar Flight launch center underneath underground. And this red glowing object is hovering above ground and seems to that seems to correlate with these 10 missiles going offline. Strategic Air Command wrote up a whole write up saying we're, you know, baffled and confused as to this happening around it. I think the echo flight incident, which was eight days before. And then a targeting officer, Bob Jamison, who is a colleague of Salas' went into check as to, you know, why did these 10 missiles go down? Is it possible? They just malfunction. That doesn't happen there. A very rarely does a missile malfunction. And I don't think any much more rare would be two at the same time, but never 10. And so you had all this interesting kind of activity going on at Malmstrin Air Force Base. But that was in 1967. Yeah. What I find interesting about your experience is that was, was it September? September, 1964. 1964, Vandenberg Air Force Base. Did you know that Bob Jacobs, who was a photo instrumentation specialist, also stationed there at the same time as you, has an honor. But I did not then. Yeah, he didn't know. So that's amazing. Because this guy was basically there testing an Atlas missile with a dummy warhead. And he was basically stationed at Big Sur. And he was supposed to kind of, you know, telescope the object and photograph it. They wanted him to know, film the missile from the side rather than straight on. Because you go to Vandenberg, you're just watching it go straight on. He can watch it, projectile from the side. Nature management called and he said, "Tomorrow morning, 0600, get ready because we're launching an Atlas missile and we want you to photograph that with the big BU telescope." I went, "Okay." So, 0600, we were up and ready to go, and then Atlas missile popped up through the ground fog that was covering the whole coastline all the way down there. It was beautiful. We took the phone back to Vandenberg, where it was processed, and a day later, I got a call from Major Mansman. He said, "Come up to my office," so I went to his office, and he said there was a movie screen set up and a 16-millimeter projector. Now, there was Major Mansman, and as I recall, two guys in gray suits. On the screen was the film wheel shot. We could see clearly on film the nose bone separate, and then we saw the dummy warhead. And suddenly, into that frame, an object flew in chasing the warhead and so on at the same speed. It's going between six and eight thousand miles an hour at that point, and it fired a beam of light at the dummy warhead. The object flew up like this, shot another beam of light at the dummy warhead, went around like this, shot another beam of light at it, went down like this, shot a beam of light like this, and then flew out the same way to come in. At which time, the dummy warhead did this and fell out of the frame. The lights came on, and Major Mansman said to me, "Are you guys screwing around up there?" And I said, "No, sir," and he said, "What was that?" And I said, "It looks like we've got a UFO." And he said, " Lieutenant Jacobs, you are never to speak of this again. It never happened." And then these two guys and tweed jackets in the back room while he's watching are, they basically go up to him, they say, "You know, you are now sworn to secrecy, and if you say anything about this, you're going to be in real trouble." And then they proceed to, because he tells his story later, they delete his records from the government. "Didn't they delete your records from the government as well, people denied that you worked at Fandenberg? Is that right?" And they denied there was ever a Robert Jacobs in the Air Force, and in another inquiry, they denied there was ever a Robert Jacobs at Fandenberg Air Force base, only denied there was ever anybody named Robert Jacobs in charge of the 13th, the photographic union division that I ran. And you managed over 100 people, so it's pretty easy for you. Yeah, well then. Robert. Yeah, I had heard three of you guys working for him, and I took two friends from college who were my commanding people, and I also have something called the DD-14. I have records here, my office, our efficiency reports are in there. I can't get rid of stuff. My wife keeps saying, "Clear that shit out of your bio-cam door over there, Bob." I go, "No, I might use it, and sure enough, it's turned out to be valuable." And defending myself against the infamy of the CIA, but we didn't have a launch on that day. There was no Atlas launch that day. Well, it got down while there was, because Robert found the files from Vanderbilt and seen that particular launch. So they did not. They also scrubbed the launch itself from their records. Correct. Never happened. Wow. And your mailbox was blown up as well, right? My wife and I had been out to a movie. We came back from a movie about 10 o'clock at night, and there was a message on my answering machine. And it said, "Fireworks in your mailbox at night, over to a beautiful site, you're going down, motherfucker, and my mailbox blew up. I live in a farm out of rural mailbox, it's an explosion in my mailbox, but I took that quite seriously. I bought an ammunition for my gun." And then Florence Mansman, his major, who is superior, eventually is tracked down by I think Bob Hastings and some other researchers, and in the '90s admits that he did manage Bob Jacobs. So it's this crazy story, and that happened at the same time you had an experience. Right. Bob Hastings put me in touch with Bob Jacobs. As you know, on American Alchemy, we cover a lot of technology that goes beyond human limits. This is about technology that helps the body catch up and feel good. I'm talking about the iristor LED face mask, a red light therapy system that uses clinical grade wavelengths to boost skin cell energy production. 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Red light therapy has really been a game changer for me, so I hope you love it. Because it did occur at the same time, so you gave me Bob Jacobs' form number. I call Bob Jacobs, we discussed this. I had an additional experience when I was at Vandenberg, and I was able to watch him in a minute. I'm not a minute. I was able to watch Atlas launched, and it got up. Now I'm underneath the missile at this time at Vandenberg, rather than from the side. And I'm watching this missile in a stage. But before it's staged, that means this first stage dropped off. Second stage took off. This yellow orb came over and tracked the missile. It didn't go around it or anything, it tracked it then it's staged, and then it's continued tracking, which meant it wasn't a fuel leak. Besides it was a fuel leak, it might have wowed going up. And I had relayed that, and then Bob Jacobs thought maybe I had witnessed what he had witnessed. But the timing was not right. First of all, when he saw the missile launch, he saw it come up through the clouds. Well, this was a cloudless day when I saw what I saw. He saw his bad experience in September. It was closer to May when I saw this happen. Now, you know, I don't know. I had asked one of the sergeant down on the launch site the next day what happened with that missile. And he just told me if I was wise, I would keep my mouth shut. Wow. And I did just that. I give my mouth shut. So you had already seen essentially UFO, which I think at the time they used to call tag longs because they would often track missile trajectories. That's what he did. It did. It stayed right with the missile. Yeah. That's amazing. And in 1963, we have another example of an F8 Atlas missile being tracked by this sort of tag along. And it's even in the report. And this was, I believe, a month or two before the Bluegill triple prime test. And I think September of 1963 and I'm going to keep my mouth shut because I didn't want to get into any of the problems that, you know, I was getting out soon and may I would be going to get out of June. I just wanted to get out and leave it even alone. So. So, but that's fascinating because in May of 1964, you see this sort of tag along UFO and September of 1964, Bob Jacobs unbeknownst to you during this test on video sees a UFO shoot a dummy nuclear warhead out of the sky. And then I want to get to this is the, you know, kind of the core experience that you had was also in September of 1964, my core experience was in September, right? And what happened then? Well, I was assigned to a man of man missile, I'm not, yeah, I was assigned to a men of man missile site. And the guard check is right next to the gate. There's a fence around the missile site and it's so got 80, 80, 80, 80, a alarms on it. Do nothing really. The site itself is well lit. It has has like a stadium lighting up there. And it's rolled in and I was on the night shift so that and it was foggy. And so that kind of parent like a dome over me or you could probably see 30, 40 feet from where the guard check was and I could see the missile site behind me, but if I looked straight ahead, I just saw a wall of fog. Basically, the sergeant had come and delivered a lunch, which had been two o'clock in the morning on average with your night shift. And so the timing would have been right around two o'clock because the sergeant had just left. And so I'm sitting there and next thing I know I see this shadow in the fog and looking and I see the shadow and I see a man which appeared to be a man or a humanoid figure emerged from the fog. And I thought, well, what the heck? the sergeant, walk back and edit. And that's my first thing. Well, the sergeant walked back and he couldn't figure why. But then the next thing, this figure kept coming towards me. Now it had like a trench coat on. Really? Very similar to the rain coats that were issued to the officers. And he had a cap on, which could have-- so my next thing, I wonder if there's some officer checking up on me. But as it got closer, I realized this was not what it was. And I could feel it in my mind. I mean, it was like it started driving whole to me. And I became really frightened. And as it approached me, I tried to pull my pistol. We had 38 police as part of our gear. And I tried to pull my pistol. And my right arm was paralyzed. I couldn't move it. I could move my body, but I couldn't move my arm. And I became more terrified. And I became closer to me. Something-- I can't see the face in my brain. If I try to see this face, I can't see it. It's a blank. But whatever it was was terrifying me. And whatever it was had control of at least my right arm. And I was standing just outside the shack. And I backed into the shack just instinctively, I guess. And I got myself back to the back of the shack. And there was nowhere else to go. And the figure was continued coming towards me. And there was a shelf at the back. There was a telephone on there, just a shelf. And I can remember distinctly pushing my back into that shelf and trying to push the back of the shack out. I was like a rat caught in a trap. And the terror was just-- I couldn't describe how-- I was just terrified. The next thing I know I'm out. And I don't know if I passed out or it's just blank at that point. So then I come too. And I'm inside this-- it's a circular room. I'm not going to call a craft because I didn't see it from the outside. But I'm in this circular room. And I'm on my knees. And there's about a 2 1/2 3-foot circle that's, oh, clear. You can see through it. And there's this figure on my right-hand side. And it's communicating. Don't look at me. Don't look over here. Just look through the circle. And it's weird because it's not word. You know what it wants. It's like he's very definitely a command. But it's not in words. But you know what? I don't know if the people have this psychic thought process or anything like that. But one thing that it was not words, it was just I knew I was not to look at it. Just look at this circle. So I'm looking at the circle. And what you see initially is just this gray fog, basically. One thing I noticed at the time is that I would expect a breeze or something cold to be coming through. And it wasn't. It's like there's a barrier. But it wasn't like glass. It was just clear. And also this kind of clears away like clouds splitting. And there's a post about 100 yards down the street on the opposite side of the room. Now I'm on site D5. And this is site D11, which is across the street down there. I was familiar with the site, I know which one it was. It's easily identifiable by the side of the street and the orientation. And it's just getting light. And I can see this truck pull up to the gate. And it had-- it was a flatbed truck, a long flatbed truck. It had a lot of long pipes on it. And the guard was to the-- came over to the right side of the truck. And obviously, it was getting ID or checking with it was driving. Went over, opened the gate, let the truck in, and then the clouds closed up. And so I'm still looking through this hole. And I'm still just keep looking through the hole. And I kind of raised my eyes to look around without looking over. And there were the opposite of me about 6, 10 feet away. It were these four figures sitting on a bench. And I could see that the wall of the craft-- I'll call it a craft now-- I could see that the bench was just a continuation of the material of whatever the wall was. And whatever lighting was in there, the figures were celebrated. The light source was behind or from the wall, but very, very consistent. I mean, there was bright lights there, I think. Effectively, the room was pretty dark. So the figures seemed celibated. What appeared to me like a baby at a large head in a smaller body disproportionate. The eyes were discernible because they were darker than the skin features or whatever. A lot of people say they were-- these creatures, or creatures beings, whatever-- were some sort of suit or something like that. I couldn't really tell that. Basically, a silhouette with just slight features available. And there were two on one side and two on the other side with a space in between that I took to be some sort of door out of this room or something like that. And that's about it. I mean, that's the next thing I know. I'm standing on the-- I'm laying on the floor of the guard shack. There was like a little porch right in front of the door to the guard shack. And I'm laying on my feet off the porch on the ground. And this being is sitting on the porch and has my head in this lap. And it's saying to me, it's communicating again. It's communicating-- I'm sorry. We didn't mean to scare you. We just-- if we didn't mean to scare you, but we had to have access to the site. So we needed the intelligence as far as I was gathering out of this form of communication. They were just needed to access to the site. And I was in the way. And so-- Imagine setting your makeup, then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new groupie setting mist from Mabelie, New York. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours, with flexible all-day comfy grip. No tightness, no stickiness, no residue. Just plump, dewy, hydrated skin. That still feels like your skin. Try new groupie setting mist from Mabelie, New York. Maybe it's Mabelie. It really felt comfortable. Well, this is OK. He's not going to hurt me. So I was fine. But I kept-- the other thing was keep my eyes tightly shut. It did not want me to look at it or see it. Keep your eyes shut. And I apologize. I'm sorry that we scared you so much. But we needed to have access, and you were in the way. And he says, now I'm going to leave. And I want you to just keep your eyes shut. Don't get up. Don't do anything to stay there with your eyes shut. And he left. And I did just what he said. I laid there for maybe 15 minutes with my eyes shut. And I was glad to see him go to frankly. Then I finally got up and looked around. And the sun had come over. There's a ridge of mountains behind what we call de-sector, probably 1/4 a mile back. And the sun was coming up over that ridge. And if you look towards the ocean, you could see the light coming, you know, lighting up the ocean is kind of a beautiful sight. And I looked over to my right. And there was a little chipmunk on the ground. And I just felt so much love for that little checkbox. You know, I felt like I was joined with that checkbox. And one living creature to another and a little chipmunk kind of just looked back at me and kind of scurried away. About 20, 30 minutes later, the time would be probably around 6, 3, 7 o'clock on my relief cane. The missile's 56 yards off the main road. And there's a little road that goes to the missile site. And you know, my relief came down, relief me. And then they're all delivered by these Air Force Root pickup trucks, four-door pickup trucks, basically. And I could have gotten, or four-darts to see in the back. I could have gotten inside, but I didn't want to. I got them back and I put my back to the cab of the truck and I pulled my feet up. And then they went and picked up the other guards. And I was just real quiet. And they were asking me, what's wrong? And I knew something had happened, but I-- couldn't quite put my finger on something profound, but and I was confused. And it was cold because it had been a foggy morning until the sun came up and kind of burned it off. But it was still cold. And I was just trying to what's what happened, you know, what figured, you know, I couldn't figure it out. And by the time I got back the base, well, I couldn't remember anything. Now, I didn't remember this particular thing until two weeks later, roughly two weeks later. And I was aware that something had happened, but I couldn't put my finger on it. I'd try to put it aside. And it was just something that nagged at me. But then I got up in the morning, or it was apparently on the day shift because it was early morning. And all of a sudden, and you know, I've heard a paralysis sleep where people have these experiences when they're, I wasn't paralyzed. I woke up and all of a sudden I got flooded with this whole experience that I just told you. And it wasn't a dream. I could tell you it was so real. I've never had a dream like that before. And I've never had that happened since. It was real. And I knew it was real. And I linked to some Venetian blinds. And I picked them up and kind of looked out. The sun was shining. And I looked over and my roommate was asleep. And I kept taking, God, what's this? I need to tell somebody, this is, this is critical. You know, there's some entities got on my site. And I got up and I got dressed. And I was going to breakfast. And I thought, no, this is crazy. I'm not going to tell anybody. They're going to put me in a sightboard. And then it was like, I got something in my mind says, no, don't you tell anybody. You keep this to yourself. It's like there was a priest that command or something like that. I think it was so vivid that it was, it was kind of released. It was, they wanted to time lapse between the event and the time that it came. You know, that is aware of the experience. And it's almost like that was so vivid that it was, it was okay. Like there was a release of the command not to forget. And so, but now I knew. This episode is sponsored by Zbiotics. 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And inside there, they were big old computers back in those days. See, when the missile gets the launch command, then that's it. In order to keep somebody from sabotaging it or stopping the launch, everything takes place in that little room. And that's where the crew does the maintenance on the missile, and everything like that. There's a door that actually opens into the silo. And so they needed to get in that room and probably to those computers and launched things. That's where I'm thinking that they got the data. That's basically what I'm speculating. But they use the shack essentially as a point of access for this silo. Okay. They just, I was at the shack and they just needed to be needing me out of the way, basically. And as he came towards me and I passed out, I was out of the way. See, we're just between him in this electronics room, essentially. There's a fence with the ADT that I'm in front of the fence. So somehow they got through the ADT and got into the crew access area and down into, I have to assume because I'm passed out at this point. But he did say or communicate that they needed the data from the missile. So my assumption is they got down to that crew area and got the point of her data they needed. The first being you see has a trench coat on and looks like this shadowy silhouette. Yeah. I just can't remember its face. Okay. So kind of hard to just recall. The face terrified me. I know the face terrified me. I can't tell you what it was because I don't think my brain wants to remember, but it terrified me. I don't know that was big eyes or I have no idea what it was, but it terrified me. I know how terrified it was. You can't dream. I don't think you can dream that kind of terror. I was like a rat that's trapped in a corner by the cat, but it was wearing a human clothing trench coat. I mean, humanoid probably five foot 10, probably very human. And the trench coat didn't seem otherworldly. It seemed another world. They think it might have been an officer. Yeah. And so maybe he was kind of in disguise or something. Yeah. I didn't know what was going on. That was my first impression, but then when my arm was paralyzed and I felt him in control, he had control on me. I say he, but he had control on me. I'm assuming it was, I mean, I'd read it as a male figure because the trench coat, we had don't wear trench coats. And originally, I thought it was an officer, then it realized it was something else. And then that's a boof towards me and had control on me. And then I passed, you know, I couldn't pull my weapon. Oh, and I tried to scream because I wanted to scream. And I get his little, I couldn't even scream. You know, wow. And then I remember my back pressing into that shelf and then the blank. Do they look like the typical classic gray alien that was more like a baby said, it didn't have, I don't recall ears. I know there was no hair. You could, you could tell that even in silhouette. I mean, there were, it was a round head with big eyes. That's the gray aliens have large heads, proportionate to their body. These were different in some way than the typical gray visualizes. The chin was not pointed. You see so many pictures pointed chin. It looked like a baby's head. Interesting. And one of the things, the necks were like a baby's neck. You see pictures of the aliens with these thin necks in the big head. Well, those necks couldn't hold that heavy. The necks were proportionate. They were like our necks. You know, they're round enough and strong enough to hold up this big head. What color was their skin? Well, to me, it was just all dark. I mean, it was, it was just dark. It was, like I say, a cello, maybe dark gray or but hard to tell because the lighting was low. The lighting was obviously backlighting of some sort. And they're communicating to you. Don't look. They're not communicating. They're watching me. Okay. They're just watching me. So the other figure that the humanoid figure. That's the one that did all the communication. Okay. And that one is communicating. Don't look as soon as that's as soon as you're in the craft. He's saying, don't look, don't look. Just keep looking through the hole. That's all you can. You're looking through the hole. But then at some point, you see these four. Well, when we, when they closed up oversight, the 11, then I raised my eye. I didn't lift my head. I raised my eyes. So my view is, you know, through the dominant end, but I could see towards the wall and I could see the four figures. You mentioned being extremely afraid around the original humanoid figure, what did you feel when you're in the presence of these four beings? - I feel very comfortable. It was, I feel everything was okay. I wasn't afraid, I wasn't just everything okay. It's almost a point I'm just curious what's happening. But no fear at that point. If fear had, that terror had gone away. - Did you ever have the thought, why am I not afraid? Because this is an extremely anomalous experience that I'm having. - And I also wondered why it felt so comfortable. I was just comfortable. It was like I was experiencing something like that. But almost, like I'm viewing myself almost. I mean, I wasn't doing myself. It was from my own. - Were they making you feel comfortable, do you think, or obviously it was your interpretation? - They have, there's a blank period between passing out in the shed and waking, are coming too in the vessel now. They could have given me a sedative or use telepathy to make me feel comfortable. Because it went from one extreme to comfortable. And then on the guard check floor to ecstasy. I felt so good sitting with my head on this lap. I just felt wonderful, if I were to relate it to something, I'd say 'cause of my background, it would be a baby suckling out of mother's breast. That just nice and warm and comfortable. And Bobby's there, and I feel okay, and the world's okay. And the world is good. And then it did say it and it goes back to your original question. Did he say anything else? - Yes, or community, I guess. Is that they're not gonna let it, you know, go to nuclear war. They needed to stop these missiles from launching. They were trying to get the data on how to, the difference was their task then. And that there wasn't good. They weren't gonna allow these missiles to be launched. They weren't allowed to go to nuclear war in essence that Earth, you know, was important to them. And then there was another thing that, not every species, there were more than one species, and there weren't all this benevolent is they were, this creature. It's like, you know, and if it push came to shove, there could be some real issues over who's gonna control, you know, once they take, at that point, once they stop all the missiles, they're gonna take over the sets I got. - So there are multiple non-human species. This species happens to be sort of-- - Very benevolent. - Doing recon on the nuclear codes and how things work, and they're presenting themselves as benevolent. And do you trust, you know, coming away from the experience that they were benevolent? - Yeah, yeah, I think I just locked out. - Did they say which species they came from? Didn't tell me any of that, it's just basically that the earth was, this sense was, "Look, this is a praline support to us, and we're not gonna let you destroy it." And if push comes to shove, we're gonna intervene. - The love that you felt for the chipmunk, was that representative of some larger flooding of love that you felt for all of them? - Yeah, that was good. - Yeah, it was like, I had this feeling of ecstasy while I was laying on the lap of the pig. And then it just carried over. Once he left, I kept my eye shut for a while, and then I got up and there's this chipmunk sitting there, and I just felt this connection. I just love that little chipmunk, and I felt connected to it. Like, you know, here's another living being, and we're part of the, there was no separation. We were in the same, we were just living beings, and there was something good about that, you know? - I know it was dark, but what did the room look like? If you had to describe it, do you remember the walls? - I could say he said, "Okay, the walls were grazed." Okay, which silhouette. So there was the lighting in the room. I don't know how much came through the hole in the floor, or how much was backlighting on the wall. However, the figures were backlit, 'cause they were celibated. So I must, you know, the walls must have had some sort of, or contestants that made them put the figures in the silhouette, that I was looking at. I could distinguish the eyes as large, but not all of shape, like you see, and a lot of the typical picture. They were just big, big eyes, and dark, you know? Darker than, say, that scan, or. - Did the room look indistinguishable from something man-made, or did it look? - Oh, no, it was man-made. - It's the room itself looked like a ketamine molded. - Molded. - Yeah, look, if I were to say just one giant piece of plastic, you know, one giant piece of gray plastic. - Well, that doesn't sound man-made to me. I don't think it-- - Oh, it is, it is. - Well, it might not be. - I mean, well, there's a difference between artificially constructed by deliberately, and man-made, human-made. Are you saying it was human-made? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It could have had to be an awfully big mold. I mean, you're talking a room that's maybe 15 feet across, and-- - Why did it look molded? - 'Cause of the bench. - Okay. - The bench that the four entities were sending on, you could see, they were silhouetted, they were very dark, but the wall and the material was grayish. So I could see the material, and all of the floor was concave. And others, they were elevated somewhat above where I was on my knees down there. - Any seams or rivets or-- - So it was sort of smooth. - And smooth even to the point, it looked like I could fall through that hole if I got too close. I mean, it looked like a hole, but there was just the rim, but there was no, you know, there's not like a seam or anything. There was part of the same material except it was transparent. - So it looked, it sounds like a classic saucer that you hear in other alien abduction stories. - I guess so at the time, I didn't know what other, especially from the inside, you know. - Yeah, have you looked and do any other stories that sort of align with yours? - It's hard to find anything that describes the ins. I mean, you know, I hear these bright lights, and these creatures obviously didn't want bright lights, you know, they have big eyes, the room was dark, and you hear people while they wake up in those room and it's all lit up and it's bright, and it doesn't seem consistent to me, because if you're going to have big eyes, you must be dark adapted from wherever you come from. - What time of day was this? You were taken in the morning, is that right? - Okay, it started right after the launchments delivered, which would put it about to a clock. - Okay. - Okay, when I'm on the, in the morning, when I'm looking through the hole, well, it's light enough to see what's going on on the ground. Like, just sunrise, basically. Just kind of like dawn, you know, not, well lit, but enough that you can discern, I could see the truck, I could see it was loaded with pipes, I could see the, see the guard walk over to the window, I could see him open the gate and the truck driving in. That was all, but it was like dawn, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't the sunshine lit scene. The sunshine came when I looked in the saw the chick mock, and the sun was actually coming over that bridge of mountains. And it was kind of pretty because if you looked towards the ocean, and then you could see the ocean kind of, with a kind of yellow color to it. And it felt so good, you know? I mean, I'm sitting here and everything just felt good. - And so, so this whole event was morning to like afternoon-ish. - No, the whole event was like 2 a.m. to, 2 a.m. - 2 a.m. till probably 6 a.m. I'm not sure when sunrise is, but. - Got it. - So there's two to, and that's when when Bob Hastings asked me over the original when he was on George Norrie. When I got cut off, he had asked me about a gap in time and I had not thought about that gap in time, but between 2 a.m. and the time the entity came to me and say 536 in the morning, "Well, there's a gap." And I'd never even considered that. And then that's when I got cut off because I was just going to say, "Hey, I had considered that." So there's a gap. Now, what went on in that gap? We're talking, say, 2 30 to 6. That's three somewhat hours, you know? It's more than what I'm describing to you. So I have no idea what went on. So maybe some lost time. - It's lost time, definitely. You know, I have my friend, Lonnie, that is a doctorate in psychology and I had told her about this 20, somewhat years ago. And she, one of her specialties is regressive hypnosis, but she didn't want to put me through regressive hypnosis because I was, when I was relating, she thought I was so upset. She didn't, she felt this wasn't her pay grade, you know, to deal with somebody that, uh, you know, she dealt with past life. She didn't deal with the, uh, with the experience of like I had her. When you are guarding this shack from like two to the shack, okay, the missile site, the shack's for children. When you're guarding, when you're at the shack and you're guarding the missile site, and it's early morning around the time of, you know, two a.m. to six a.m., are you generally interacting with anyone else? No, there's no one there. Okay, guards are, we were just put out there all by ourselves and we spent the whole shift by ourselves. We were supposed, uh, uh, this is probably, I'm not, we were supposed to make a call when the missile was in, in the silo. We were supposed to make a call every half hour and to command post. But we didn't because it was just a given, uh, call me in the morning. They were supposed to log it. Well, they logged it all night long. They slept, uh, we didn't sleep because I think we but, uh, we didn't want to get caught sleeping. But if you were in command post, nobody, no, nobody can get into command post without going through knocking on doors to never they like that. So they would take turns sleeping. Uh, they would log all the calls and we would just fool around, you know, and, uh, give us boring. You know, you got there at the middle of the night, uh, is dark and are foggy. You're, you know, nothing to do. You can, you know, they can't even read because we sneak books on some of the sites, but you couldn't even, uh, mend it, man, you couldn't, it was too dark. Even with the bright light, you couldn't, because the light was focused on the, on the silo itself, on the, on the launch complex. And, you know, you have a little light like one of these up here and it's barely lit. So, uh, basically we all hate it, been at that. I mean, one of us ate it, been at that. And, uh, sometimes we'd get, we had faults because they would call in from, we'd had to make the call into, uh, command post. So we'd call each other. When you're in this room or UFO saucer, whatever it is, and you're hovering above the base, do you see what they're trying to do or monitor? I don't know why they showed me that. It's just like they could. They were trying to show me, I was in a craft, I guess, and that, you know, it didn't show me if something that I'd be familiar with. What, do you know what day in September this might have been? No, not because it was, it was two weeks later when the fall memory came back. And then, uh, so I, I, I could tell you what particular, I probably could have at the time. Did you tell anybody at the base? Oh, God, no. Did you know of any UFO activity at Vandenberg Air Force Base at the time? At the time. You know, all the, all the scuttle buttons, if you went out the D sector, which is 20 balls away from the base and you're, uh, scuttlebutt, you know, to scare the new guys with some big foots out there. And he's, he's going to get you, but there was nothing about UFOs or even talk about it that I know. Do you ever speculate that the UFO you were in was the same UFO that maybe shot the dummy nuclear warhead out of the sky in Bob Jacobs case? This two, two close together, September, September. So I not, this was at night, Bob Jacobs was in the daytime. Uh, but I'm sure the activity was coordinated, you know, it could have been the same craft. It could have been, I don't know what their structure is out there. How many of them there are? Have you seen any UFOs since then or seen had any, you know, direct contact experiences with direct contact that we were on 4th of July where I live. Uh, the house, the park, it's along a wash and, and it's a great place to watch the 4th of July fireworks. And we were sitting there and this sort of had probably the, uh, around 2000 in that vicinity. Uh, we're watching fireworks and somebody said, "What's that bright light up there?" And I looked up and I said, "Oh, I think that's Jupiter." And I said, "No, Jupiter's over there." And I said, "Oh, no, it's, it's pretty bright, isn't it?" So I had this binoculars and I looked at it with the binoculars and it was going side to side. This episode is sponsored by Cove Peer. If you're anything like me, the holidays were kind of brittle and it's time to reset. Everyone wants to start the new year the same way. New supplements, a new diet, new workout plan, but they ignore the most basic variable of all. The water they drink. 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I'd have to take it as a flying saucer, but it's very unique. You know, that was the only other time something. And there were like five of us that witnessed that. But. Is there anything else worthy of relaying that you haven't told me about the core experience in 1964 in September? No, because to me it's three segments. It was initially the entity coming out of the fog and the terror I felt inside the craft, we'll call it craft. And then on the floor of the guard shack and waking up and looking at the chipmunk, you know, when it came flashing back, that's when I went back and tried to put the time together, like getting on the truck and knowing why I felt so odd when I got on the truck while it was because I had this experience, but it was fading, you know. And by the time I got back the base, it was gone. Although there was this nagging feeling that I do if something had happened, but it couldn't tell you what. It really nagged at me. It was uncomfortable feeling something but I don't know what. Did you have any physical marks or chips implanted or anything like that? I don't know. I could tell you just and I don't know if it relates or not. I recall at one time, I had it like a sinus needle and I blew my nose and a BB came out. There was a little round ball with a flat side on it. Really? Yeah. But I didn't correlate that to that experience at all. I did, but I did connect it. Well, what one was that? Well, probably a few years later, you know. But that's really interesting. Yeah, it is now that I look at it. A metal BB came out of your nose. Out of my nose. Yeah. And I believe the nose is one of the most common places that people have sort of implants. I did get back to it all. I just was, I thought, baby, well, what I was a kid. Bob Hastings himself who wrote UFOs and Nukes is actually a UFO experiencer and he wrote a book about this called Confessions and he talks about an implant in his nose and then waking up with blood on his pillow. You didn't mention after the camping trip in 1988, you waking up with blood on your pillow. Did that have to do with anything that possibly was inserted in you? you know, their implants that have been reported in certain abduction cases. - I was aware of the concept of implants and people finding blood on, you know, their clothing and so on and so forth. I never felt the need for whatever reason to, you know, investigate that further, you know, like try to get an x-ray. I mean, if you went to a doctor and said, you know, I think I have an alien implant in my head, would you x-ray me? I just wasn't prepared to go there. So, you know, I thought I might have something in my body, but I didn't really think about it. Well, in 2001, I believe it was. I was having breathing problems. I had a deviated septum. So, I finally had some nasal surgery. And so, I have that done to correct this problem. And I go in for the post operation meeting with the doctor and he said, he was like, I would say in his late 60s or early 70s. He was shaking his head, literally and figuratively. And he said, I found something in your right nostril that was so hard, I almost couldn't break through it. He said it was the damnedest thing, you know, and he was saying, you know, I've done this for many years. I've never seen anything like it or encountered anything like it, whatever words he used. And, you know, I'm kind of rolling my eyes and going, holy crap, I bet I know what it was. But what they do is they have a vacuum wand with a tube attached to a tank. And so, they're roto-rudering your nose and getting cartilage out and cleaning up your nasal passages. So, whatever was in there, they just sucked out and discarded, you know, to him. It was just some sort of biological anomaly. - So, I never saved it. - So, you know, it was gone by the time, you know, he told me about that. - I just did, it was quite a few years later. I didn't connect it. I just thought it was, I must have put that in there when I was a kid. It was, the only thing it wasn't a copper baby. It was, it was like chrome plated or something. - Can you save it and test it or anything else? - No, 'cause I, I, I stood into my hand and I thought, oh, this must have been there for years and I threw it away. - Do you ever think, what is this doing up here? - I thought I'd maybe stuck it in when I was a kid. You know, I did, the kids stick things in their ears. I stick things in my ears and my nose. So, that's what I related it to. But now, later, when they talk about implants, I think, well, it still could be that something I put in my nose when I was a kid or it could be that implant, I don't know. - Did you ever do any sort of hypnotic regression or see any sort of psychiatrist about this? - I, I, I, I kind of was hoping Laudie would want to do it but she did want to do it. - Did you ever think that there was some sort of trickery involved and somebody was messing with your mind? - No, it was too, too vivid, too real and nobody could do what was done to me. Nobody could create that kind of terror. Nobody could evoke that kind of love. I mean, nobody could do that. That was supernatural, you know, it was a, I mean, the terror. Yeah, I was trapped in a box, you know, that was, but the love, nobody could, nobody could do that. - You mentioned Lonnie, your friend who has hypnotic regression experience. So you told her about this experience, right? How many people have you told? How many friends have you told? - I told, well, Laudie was a wife of my best friend and I told Mike, my best friend. And, consequently, he admitted something to Laudie that I gave her the whole story. And then I had told a couple of people that, I kind of trusted that they weren't real close friends but they had coffee with quite often. And I knew pretty well. I mean, we had pretty good large group of guys that used to hang out in Starbucks and drink coffee and BS at night. - Did you ever tell anybody who was stationed at the base with you at Vandenberg? - No, no. - Okay. - I kept my, you know, it was, first of all, it was like, if I wanted to, I don't think it could 'cause it was like, I was told not to. And not, you know, the beings had conditioned me or hypnotized me or something. I would try to, and then it was, it was told, you know, like it was as if they still had some lingering control over you. - Yeah, it's a control and you don't say anything, just keep your mouth shut 'cause I tried several times, I wanted to. And I could, - Did you know anything about UFOs at the time prior to the experience? - Yeah, you know, everybody heard of Marty Hill and, you know, I know real extensive knowledge of it. It wasn't, I mean, you know, probably some, I had read stories there, but I didn't focus on it or dwell on it or, or, it wasn't a big deal to me, you know. - Do you think about what happened to you now a lot and do you think about the implications and meaning of what happened? - All the time. - And what conclusions have you drawn? - Just what, that, that they're out there, they're not gonna let us go to nuclear war, you know, and come the L.R.I. water and, and, and, if they do, then, it's their game.ars anymore, you know. They'll leave it alone, and thus we, I mean, this, since I got that they would leave it alone and less we screwed up. - What do you hope to achieve now by relaying your story to me? Hopefully, you know, hundreds of thousands of people at least get to hear your testimony. What do you hope they take away from it? - Well, it's just one more, like I, like I'm when I, when I wrote, Bob Salazar. I'm not in this for anything, it's just a piece of data that might be interesting to him or anybody else. And just another piece, to me, is, you know, Robert Hastings books got like 169 accounts in it, you know. If he, if he updates it, I'm not 170, this, mine's a little more unique, 'cause he only has, with me, eight cases of, of the third kind. - Closing accounts of the third kind. So actually experiencing beings themselves. That's right, only eight of his, you know, 167, some odd experiences have had those experiences where they see beings. I do think though, it's funny, I've had this conversation with Bob Hastings in the past where I say, did you, did you systematically ask all of the whistleblowers who just seen crafts, whether they've seen beings themselves? And he said, no. And so if eight people have volunteered that they've seen beings, you have to think that number is actually just much higher. - Yeah, I assume it is. I think, I mean, there's lots of people out there who said they've seen, there's always the issue, you know. How, I could tell this story and there's always going to be, somebody's going to want to debug it. The first thing they're going to say and has been said to me, well, you have no witnesses, you know. You were out there by yourself. So did you make this story up? Or, with George, before George and Ari, you had Art Bell, Art Bell, okay. There was somebody that had, I had called in on Art Bell. And I did get through. And basically he said about, he would email me. He bought my email to us and that he would email me. He says, but if I find out yours screwing around or lying, he says, I'm going to make it very tough on you. - Art Bell said this. - Not Art Bell, the guy that he was interviewing. - Ah. - And so we had quite an exchange for a while. I told him that, you know, pretty much the story. - Who was this? - I don't know. I tried to look back over my emails and I could only go back so far. - Describe them, maybe I could figure that out. - It wasn't Bob Hastings because I talked to toe-bop Hastings about this. And I didn't know Bob Hastings was what I had talked to, what I called George and Ari, except he remembered that he, he didn't remember my particular talk, but you know what I had said to him. But he was on George and Ari being interviewed. - One was this interview with George and Ari, that you called into. - Probably about those seven, eight years ago. - Okay. - And so that's live for everyone did. - Yeah, that was live. - The other one was live too. - So, and both are probably out there. So we could probably dig up the, you calling it. - I would like it. - And Bob Hastings would like me to dig up the first one. - The first one. - Bill, but all I could do is go back over the, by, you know, by AOL and C, but they're all raised. - Sure. - I could like go back. - Describe the person who Art Bell was interviewing and maybe I can help you. - He was, he was very much like Bob Hastings. He had written a book. It was more extensive to just, you know, you know, you were full of the dukes, but sounded very credible. And the only thing he said is, you know, we had, had this exchange to seven or eight emails. And he said, well, he couldn't, he couldn't include me at E.D. further books because he couldn't collaborate it. - A corroborate? - Because you didn't have someone else coming out who is witnessing the thing. - Well, he said I'd believe you, but it's not something I could put in my book 'cause I want to have the corroborate. - Well, sounds like a decent researcher. It was the name Lindemann by any chance. - I could, I can't read it. - Or Oxler or okay, okay. - I can't remember your name half the time. - No, you're good. Well, I think, you know, stories at Vandenberg are so compelling because, Not only do you have a story happening this time. same month that was corroborated by Florence Mansman, who is the major who is in charge in supervising Bob Jacobs, who's a photo instrumentation specialist. So you do have a witness there, but that happened the same month. And then you also have other stories at Vandenberg, do you know who Jeff Neutgetelli is by any chance? He's an interesting witness. And he and some colleagues, I believe in the early 2000s, experienced this UFO. In 2003 and 2005, five UAP incidents occurred at Vandenberg Air Force Base. The incursions began on October 14, 2003, when Boeing contractors reported a massive glowing red square silently hovering over two missile defense sites. After several minutes, it drifted further east onto the base and vanished over the hills. This event, now known as the Vandenberg Red Square, was referenced by Representative Luna at the first hearing on this topic. Official Air Force records of this event are in possession by Arrow and the FBI. Later that night, while I was on duty, security guards at a critical launch site reported a bright, fast-moving object over the ocean. I responded to the incident. Chaos ensued over the radio as the object approached rapidly. I heard my friend screaming, it's coming right at us, it's coming right for us, and now it's right here. Moments later, I heard them say that it had shot off and was gone. When I arrived on scene, I talked to five shaken witnesses who described a massive, triangular craft larger than a football field that hovered silently for about 45 seconds over their enter control point before shooting away at impossible speed. So, Vandenberg is definitely a hotspot, it's one of these places like Maumstrom base in Montana, where throughout the year, you have recurring patterns of UFO sightings, so I do think there is some sort of intimate connection there. Oh yeah, I think this is an ongoing thing. I think it's going on right now. I think what my impression was that they're not going to, you know, they're going to be ready to intervene, should we go, you know, let those missiles loose, but until then, they're going to stay in the background, although I'm not sure they're always in the background because there's a lot going on now that makes me wonder if they're orchestrating a lot of this steps towards disclosure. Hmm. You think the beings themselves might be orchestrating disclosure? Yeah. That's speculation. I should. Sure. Well, Richard, thank you so much for doing this. I really appreciate it, and yeah, appreciate your courage and all the incredible detail, and I hope that this, again, allows other people to come forward as well. Oh, too. Because nothing else does get some people prepared to just ultimate disclosure, so that they think about it. They're ready for it when it comes. And I think there's enough evidence out there, overwhelming evidence, and I think, again, we go back to nukes and UFO nukes that well-researched evidence in one source, and there's thousands of sources out there. I'm trying to think of Project Blue Book, who was the doctor? Jalen Heineck. Yeah. Yeah. He came to, took the evidence, and he, you know, very brilliant. Yeah. Nobody who spends more than three days on the UFO topic comes to the conclusion that it's fake, other than people associated with our nuclear programs, or the DOE, or the Atomic Energy Commission, so, you know, or the, you know, NDRC, or, you know, precursors to, you know, our atomic programs. So you have Don Menzel, who's, you know, this kind of deep-state spook, you know, friends with Vannevar Bush, he held all the clearances in the book, he, you know, ran Bureau of Statistics for the US. He was dogmatically opposed to UFOs. You have Jalen Heineck, who was opposed, but then, you know, later retracted all that stuff and kind of repented for the fact that he was opposed. You have a couple other people in official positions, you know, Edward Condon, who wrote the first, you know, textbook on quantum mechanics in the English language, you know, people don't realize. He pointed, supposedly, appointed by the, you know, project blue book on this independent commission, you know, in Colorado, and it was supposed to, yeah, the Condon report, and it was supposed to go through all these UFO cases and, and basically be an independent check against blue book findings. And then you find out that he was, you know, very close friends with Oppenheimer going back to, you know, their studies had gotten again in Germany in the 20s, and he wrote the Los Alamos primer, helped pick Los Alamos as the site for the Manhattan project. The Los Alamos primer was something that all employees had to read upon joining the Manhattan project and wrote the McMahon secrecy act, which is in 1946, basically, basically the precursor to the Atomic Energy Act in 1954, and which is kind of this cloak and dagger way to overlay, you know, atomic secrecy with UFO secrecy. So basically, you spend a few days on this, you become open-minded or you're dogmatically opposed because you're like some sort of operationalized asset against the thing protecting your own, uh, exactly. And maybe, you know, maybe there are a few contemporary examples where I don't want to say they're full bad faith actors, but, you know, it's probably easy to impune a lot of their motives as well. But anyways, you know, even though the latest head of arrow, you know, our official, you know, again, modern investigation program, which is similar to Blue Book. It's probably there's this fake hit job on UFOs. There's a guy named Sean Kirkpatrick who, you know, has long ties with the DOE, worked at Oak Ridge, you know, got this award from Brookhaven when he was, you know, a teenager and, you know, has, has all sorts of, you know, um, monetary incentives to say this stuff is fake. So anyways, Richard, I really appreciate you. And, um, this is a lot of fun. And hopefully it, uh, it shakes the world up. Imagine setting your makeup, then forgetting it's even theirs. Maybe new, grippy setting mist from Mabelie, New York. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours with flexible all day comfy grip. No tightness. No stickiness. No residue. Just plump, dewy, hydrated skin that still feels like your skin. Try new, grippy setting mist from Mabelie, New York. Maybe it's Mabelie.