189. May Kim

hi to the fan so sorry for um uh for that yo murky retrograde is real it's all good what happened it's just i mean i don't know of koreans believe in astrology but like i do oh you do yes koreans don't but i'm basically american so i'm what's your sign i'm going to ask you this to tell you my sign is i'm a capricorn okay i'm a full blown capricorn and usually when all the fellas and the ladies hear that it's either they're excited or they turn away like immediately i have some good capricorn friends i think i'm actually the capricorn rising or something yeah you definitely it gives some type of capricorn within you but what's your sign i'm a libra but let's go i'm i'm a libra what capricorn rising i'm checking my pattern right now i always forget about this oh you're on pattern yes i believe the pattern you believe the pattern are you on co-star too i am on co-star oh we love i'm only on co-star i hear that pattern is like precise and like it's just a first one pattern came out people were just like it's too real it's too spot on and people were like scary yeah what's your pattern chart looking like i'm checking my co-star now but i'm my moon is in torus and i'm capricorn rising so i'm a very stubborn person damn i mean i'm also stubborn too but like i'm a double cap i'm a cap cap satch oh there's my cap have kept satch sounds like yeah we we we have some issues we have some issues we always want things to go it is fun i mean if you hang out with the cap we're like down we're down for whatever yeah um it's not nothing i don't see any wrongdoings with the capricorn but with the libra i don't see any wrongdoings of the libra either yeah i think it's a people who are like who like to be grounded and stable they can't really like understand our lifestyles no they're like we gotta go like if we gotta go we gotta like go now like if i'm gonna do it i wouldn't i have to do it like now that's so true yeah i i when i first got into astrology before that it was always like the my lean in was mercury retrograde like that was just like an easy in to like astrology i mean i believed in aliens before so like that was that was the groundwork but then after astrology i guess like where do we go from here i guess cult i guess well yeah or like so crazy religion so crazy religion that's true yeah there's some like new ones like that like you know people don't really know about what it's like on twitter oh oh yeah totally every day there's someone making a new religion on twitter so what do korean's believe in like besides like religion like oh really great huge about MBTIs what's that so literally like you meet a new person here they'll be like oh what's your MBTI and i was like my what i'm like what did you just say sounds english and they're like you don't know your MBTI and i was like what the fuck is MBTI like a uti yeah basically they're like um it's like um so basically you take this test that's like for 30 minutes and it's a 16 personality test so they're like these crazy people did like personality research and categorize people into 16 big categories so it's like they're four letters and it's like e or the first one is always e or i so you're like extroverted or introverted and the second one is s or t s or n so it's like my MBTI's e and fp and that means extroverted um you know i always get this confused extroverted and it's like it's like since i don't know and it's something and then there's f and t that's like feelings and t is like something for getting all the words was either a really emotional or practical there's p and j which is the last words so is your either very um judgmental i might get all i might be getting all of this wrong but yeah does it doesn't match up do you believe it totally does it's science it's called reads my ears test oh yeah yeah we have one i mean in the states for sure yeah and it's like so they have all of these in 16 oh hey i got it so intuitive and these intuitive f is feeling s is observant and i'll just send you a link to this maybe she's taken i should because it kind of tells you like what kind of like work personally you are and like what kind of like what kind of person you are in relationships but it's also like sorry it's like it's percentage so it's not like black and white like it's it's like 60% i'm like 100% feelings some a very emotional person but my boyfriend is like 100% tea so he's like a robot basically oh not like giving the tea yeah he's like not into tea at all as i'm drinking tea very empty it i'll send it to you here in this zoon chat i definitely got to take that it's actually a lot of fun because if you take it like super and if you take it like drunk you might get different personality that makes sense that makes sense yeah i get a totally opposite one when i'm like drunk and i'm like whoa maybe this is real me well they always say that when your drunk it's the real you yeah it's like you're 100% honest oh man i i stop drinking for quite some time and if i continue drinking i wonder like how real would i be you know they'll be maybe too real for the world i i'm already as real as real can get but like drunk me too real too real i think one of the one of the things that i'm not proud of a long time ago i mean when i was like when i used to drink heavily like like the drunk calls that was me yeah but like the good it wasn't you know there's like the good drunk calls like you know i never say this but i appreciate you like that kind of drunk call and they're like listen i've been wanting to say this for like last three years i'm talking to you kind of drunk calls like which one was well i mean i wouldn't say the hate you one i'd be like i'm gonna tell you this for three years like i love you about like your way like god no and you look at it tomorrow like why did i call this person yeah like all these like all my good friends names and then it's like reshots to leave voicemails yeah and i have some missed calls too they're like is you okay the personality test yeah i definitely have to try them out i remember like what i used to do therapy my therapist would tell me to do that and i'm like i can't believe i have to keep doing tests yeah well i feel like it's also this might be like an air sign thing but i feel like i have way too many personalities to be categorized into one that makes sense like we want some masks to be out there like definitely i this is definitely a lead breath thing because libra is like love dressing up right like we love the dress ups and we love playing like rolls or like today i'm gonna be the crazy bitch. Oh really? Yeah, like next day I'm like, okay, today I got to work, so I'm like gonna be the boss bitch, and the next time I'm like, no, I'm definitely like the sappy girl today. Wow. That's what makes my life fun for me, like I get bored so easily. Well, like when I was younger, I didn't know that, so I would kind of like search for that in other people, you know, like in relationships and in friendships. So I would just like start drama for no reason, because I was bored. Damn. And the young was toxic. So I think eventually I found out I was like, yeah, maybe I'm the problem. And I was like, yeah, I'm definitely the problem. And I kind of like learned how to deal with that with myself. And then I was just like, maybe I'll just, you know, I need to stop playing other people and like play myself. Damn. Yeah, it's changed my life. Wait, so that's good that you realize that. Yeah, it was after a lot of toxic relationships. Oh, really? Yeah. I know I have gone through so many toxic behaviors of my own stuff. The others, you know, they were, they were wonderful. It was always me. It's always us. It's always us. We see it. We always see it. It's the cap cap sadge. It's the cap cap. Perfect. Like perfect. Perfect rhyme. Like cap cap sadge sounds like such a. Like a character sounds like a character. It really is. I, it really is. And, and as of late, I've been traveling a lot. I've been traveling a lot solo. And I think it's just like my personality and. It's so funny because like for quite some time, I've been. I've been trying to, this is totally a capricorn trade. I've been trying to. Not be what like a cap corn is. And that's what like that trade is. You know, you're trying to like not be what like it lists. Like all these different things that we are. But yeah, I'm like a solo traveler. I don't like birthdays. Oh, yes. It's nothing special about it. No, no, no, no, but I. It is fun though. Astrology is fun. Astrology is fun and like being kind of crazy, you know, being crazy is kind of fun. Like you met me stable. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Hey, everyone. It's your shot. And this is where many hats presented by Disarm. You can check out all the episodes of the where many hats podcast on all platforms and out where many hats.com. W-A-H and Disarm is made possible by listeners like you. Thank you. May Kim is a digital creator. It'll be a 3D designer. Our director, you could just call her an artist, but she's much more than that. May is the director of the creative collective object mode, where she. Our directs along with 3D artists on the team for clients such as W, Korean, Omega, Rolex and many more. First met May in Seoul, and I traveled outside of the States to get the word out about the where many hats podcast. But didn't know I'd get to see May's works at the Sinza House to see the rabbit universe. Glad we became friends, but wish I stayed longer because May was going to all these sick events for Fendi or Givenchy. Seeing favorites, performs such as Remy from the XX. But I can't keep up with the celebrity sightings every week. This is the real deal season. Please welcome May Kim to where many hats. Hello everyone. This is May. Simple. So who are you saying, uh, who are you saying this week? Or what event are you going to next? Cause like, I feel like every day you're what you just met like, um, Jaden Smith. That was random. Yeah, there is a lot of happening in my city right now. I'm surprised to see these people every day. Like no one, I'm sure no one expected to see Jaden Smith and his mom at this. We've got an event. Wait, you saw the toxic red table talk mom. Oh my god. Yes, we were like, is she here alone? And cause I, we saw her first cause, you know, she's kind of a big presence. And then Jaden's name and we're like, it's the whole family here. Cause, you know, I thought she would pull up with Willow Smith, but she pulled up with Jaden. So I was like. She's like, not the emo kid. Yeah, she's like, sorry guys. You don't get the drama today. You don't. And there will be no use slapping. No, we had so much fun though. Like I was so shocked to see all these like celebrities just chilling out on a bridge in Korea. Like it was a crazy event for me. Cause they never had a big, I don't think in a while, like in Korea. Like a big fashion event like that where like the Squid Game director directed at the whole stage. And obviously, Hoya from Squid Game, she was like the opener for the show. And the soundtrack was amazing cause it was done with this like a very old Korean rock band. Called Sunderlin. And it was like no one expected any of that. So I feel like it was kind of like the Squid Game director's mindset. This is my, this was, this must my perspective. But so. So just be pulling out the stuff all the stops. I know, I don't know how that happened, like I always have this conversation with people visiting from outside of Seoul. Like why do you guys think Korea is like in such spotlight right now. And everyone's like it's so new and like it's nothing new to me, you know, because I'm Korean. So I'm just always thinking about what happened. I know happened. I had that conversation while I was in Seoul with with a new friend that I met through the podcast for some random reason was it was super cool. And he like the second time we hung out, he even asked me the same thing. And he's like why are everyone why is everyone coming to Seoul like what's what's like is it is a Kpop because like he's like I don't think it's Kpop. And I'm just like I have no idea. But Seoul has always been on my list since like for like a really long time to go visit. But now every time I come back or I talk to people, they're like yeah, I always want to go to Seoul, you know, yeah, I'm like no, you don't. That you never thought that you never thought that like what's that? Yeah, it's like maybe Tokyo is like everyone wanted to go to Tokyo. Like when I lived in America, like you know, I lived in the time where I was like, oh you're from China, you know, like China was the biggest Asian country my whole life. So I was like, no, there's this tiny country called Korea. Like that was literally my like childhood. I was like, do you guys know Korea? Like we have South and North. Oh, yeah, we know North Korea. Are you from North Korea? I'm like, you can't really like travel outside in North Korea, but you know, my last name is Kim. And me being crazy back then too. I was like, yeah, I'm kind of related to Kim Jong-un, like really seriously. And all the people in my school are like, oh shit. She's related to that, that new dude. Like no one fucks with me from my whole middle school. They're like, don't like she's don't. Yo, that's amazing. It's kind of a good last name to have. Well, it doesn't work anymore because people know Korea too well. But in my time, I was like, that's scary girl. That's amazing to hear. Like you basically offended off your all your bullies. Like growing up because like it was like a backlash racism. It's so good Yeah, I was like oh, you don't know you don't know Korea. Well, I know where you live They're like what what do you mean? Oh, like I'm just saying like I know where you live like be careful That's so sick that's actually so smart Yeah, that wasn't like me my my starting of my toxic child Do you Where did you grow up in the States I? grew up in San Jose, California So a lot of Silicon Valley people right um a lot of Pupertino Apple Apple campus things. Yeah, oh, okay Everyone had their dad's like going to Apple for work basically. Oh really It was like a very tech savvy school that I went to did you What did you what do you think? No, I think that probably affected like why I Got into so much like digital stuff in the beginning Cuz all the brainwaves all the fucking techie Shit, yeah, I mean when I even the city that I grew up in in Korea is It's I didn't grow up in Seoul at all. I grew up in the city called Tejan, which is like the Silicon Valley of Korea So literally we went to like science museums for failed trips like we didn't have a museum park Like we went to science museums. No way And my dad worked in computer engineering all his life. So I just had like Computers and stuff like cables and just circuit boards like laying around in home all day Oh, wow, like I would always little I would just literally like weld things Damn Crazy goggles and like Yeah, oh my god, you're you sound like the girl from cowboy beef up I didn't watch that I should should I am I missing out? Well, she's like lesbian, but like she's like cooking up like a bunch of shit Okay, yeah, dude if your dad had social media back then he'd be a legend He really honestly he would be because he kind of invented a lot of things, but he's very low key, which I'm Glad he is. Yeah He's I definitely get all my crazy traits from my dad. He's like totally an artist, but Obviously his parents did a lemon go to art school because he's what he was he's a guy, you know, and in Korea They're like you got to be a teacher. He's like a doctor and He was like I don't do any of that, but maybe I'll do like science because it's like closest to the arts, right He's a very creative person, and I think I got all of that in my jeans Little did we know he started AI And and all this talk about it. Yes It's him the godfather But yes I know where you live. I know your social security That's so funny that you said that like he couldn't go to art school because yeah you Went to art school. You went to Micah, right? Like I had Alam Greg Good goes it's on the show I feel like when people go to art school They don't realize they become famous after oh my god, I think that's not true It isn't I just feel like artists of the new celebs slash like influencers Well, I have a lot to say about that, but we'll save it for later Damn, no, it's just a lot. There's a lot. I don't know like it's kind of confusing How I became a person that I am today because it's changed a lot since I moved out here to Korea Like when I lived in America, I thought I would just be working 925 my whole life like as a graphic designer Because like that so like that was considered a normal thing to do like after college and I first went to art school for painting like for fine arts and I did my first year and I was like wow Like I actually can't do this unless I'm mega rich Because you know, I didn't realize what pains were so expensive and you know like you need a studio space and you need a big space You have to like know all the right people, you know in the higher Our art scene and who will actually spend me on art and I was like I don't think it's gonna work for me So I like interned at this gallery in Korea That was like in the rich area of Seoul and they're like oh you go to art school like can you just make all this like priceless and like floor maps and stuff and I had to like do that on Illustrator So I was like maybe I'll just do this for money because like graphic design I don't really understand the depth of like you know graphic design. I was like seems like pretty simple like I could do this And then I like learned more about graphic design. I was like it's actually like a lot of people who's were Successful started as graphic designer is like Yeah, they did I thought they like you know like young me thought like all these successful people like must have studied like business or something You know like they know the secrets of being successful like they learned that in like Yale business schools like that's like kind of what I thought And then I like I think I started watching all these like you know on YouTube they have like history of This person like their whole life explained in five minutes. Like I was like watching those and Like people just started as like interns like me and I was like does that mean I can be Famous too. Oh my god. I was like, oh my god. Can I be like Varsil have low? I can be lead living with Tom one day and Then I came to Korea like I worked in fashion magazines before in New York and I started working in a fashion magazine in Korea like I'm not gonna say what it is But it was so different and it was like not the vibe that I thought it would be Because it was like a Lot of old men and I was just like people don't really care about it. Well, I felt like they didn't really care about the essence of Fashion and it was more of like a business, you know, they were like for the money and not for the Arts or the culture so I Think I like was very confused when I first came to Korea. I was like I Didn't really understand the whole like national like the social dynamics of the country Like this is it's gonna be kind of a long explanation, but To be short like Korea I feel like Still it took a while for the country to get to this financially and socially stable State that it is in right now like we went through so many wars, you know, and like there was colonialism So like my parents generation we were all they were all about Being stable like we have to have like nine to five jobs like they did not have time for the culture or like entertainment So they're like who spends money on entertainment, you know, that's like what my parents think So when they're like you're gonna do art like You know, I mean I'm sure all Asian parents would say this in their generation like how are you gonna make money? Right, you know, like how are you gonna make money with art, but like we knew we had an idea of how we were gonna make money because we knew People would spend money on entertainment because we had YouTube and like Instagram While my mom was like How the hell are you gonna make money with that? Like looking at what I made in college was like I mean it looks nice, but like who's gonna pay for that? Right, and I was like, um I was like mom Google like Facebook do you know Facebook? She still doesn't have Facebook so no, it's good for her because she'd probably Get roped into conspiracy theories Yeah And my parents actually still have no idea how I make money and it's like, I can't explain to them all these like branded content things. She's like, you post like selfies and get paid and I'm like, yeah, mom. Damn. Like, I don't know how to explain to her like this whole influencer business. It's, I mean, I'm sure it's hard to explain for everyone really, it's because it's so in the moment, you know, it's so happening like right now. I just think that it's like very, it is hard to explain, but it's, you know, how that cream magazine that you worked for, it's like the same thing. It just like translates as like business, like it's like a business, you know, and like the whole influencer realm is like based on like business and advertising. So like that kind of like makes sense, but with with art. Sometimes I like to ask people if we didn't have Instagram or social media, what would we be doing, you know, like, yeah. I think about that. Yeah, right. Like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I, I wouldn't know you probably. No, I don't think you would have, I don't think you know, I don't think, I don't think you would know me for sure. Because I would have to just like run into people on the street, because that's like how I made a lot of my friends, but no, because like a bunch of my clients in the past few years have just like I met them all through social media. I don't. Actually, no wait, that's a lie, the only sum, that's a gigantic lie actually. Like actually just a few, the latter few actually, because actually all my main clients, I've actually met outside. I, because I used to work in service, that's how I met Greg, actually, I met Greg when I used to work at a coffee shop. Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so like if I was still in, I think about this all the time that like if I was still in coffee, be a mount of, I don't think today I make more clients if I still worked in like service because I have seen the other way around where like I'm the customer and like I meet all these like braces or whatever. Like where people in the service industry and I don't want to say like their desperation for like other work shows, but like they sweat, they're like sweating and it's just like you can see through it, whereas like back then like me, I was just, I was just chillin. It's just like, I was just all through conversation and like my hobbies, but like today it's different because I mean we're like way past like hustle culture now and everyone's just like trying to make a book. So it's like different now, but I, I just like it's, I just think it's it like it now. And today I, I'm the guy that just like goes to like a bunch of different coffee shops a day just to like get a different like type of like drink. And then, and then I would just like loiter at like retail shops, yeah, just the past the time we're just to get out of the house after like doing like five straight hours of work. Yeah. So how did you, how did you start this podcast thing like what made you think like oh, I'm going to invest so much time into doing this podcast. That's a great question. I actually started the podcast at the, the Canal Street market at the coffee shop where I first had like that place, you been right. Yeah. Yeah. And that place was like a heaven for some odd reason. And like yeah, Greg was one of the first, Greg Christian from commercial type were one of the first. Yeah, because they're all just like right on the corner from there. Right, right. And I don't know. It was so it was like the podcast was actually in a podcast studio. And then. But this was like, yeah, this was like before zoom. And then when like lockdown hit like everyone was using zoom. And so it was just like easy to like have people on the show. So I mean, what maybe I've always wanted to start a podcast of like, I mean, it took a lot of different stages to be honest with you, like the name, finding the name to like start in the podcast. Like this project has, it's been years in the making to be honest with you. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I'm a huge, a huge radio fan. No way. I make the world, but I get the biggest influences from music and things that don't have visuals like words to be more precise. But I don't like if I'm not listening to music, I'm always listening to podcasts or radio like music radio. It's like curious of how people start into it because you have to invest so much time in it to edit these conversations. And like, I feel like it might be, it would be exhausting to be talking to all these people all the time. Oh, yeah, I, I feel like a crackhead half the time when I talked to all these people, because you, I mean, you get a lot of energy from these people, but also you give so much energy to the people that you're talking to. I do, but at the same time, I think it's, I mean, I feel like it's, I don't know, I'm not like any like radio personality by any means, but I also grew up on radio too, but I could see you as like a radio personality. I love radio. Could you also be a musician? Like, have you ever dabbed into music? No, I never want to make music. Like my, I have so many musician friends, because we have a lot in common, and I'm like very, I'm like very into music. But I never thought that I'd want to make it. I don't know why it just doesn't feel like my skill set. I feel like if I, if I want to like make, if it's an idea came to me, I'd be like, oh, this would look cool with this person's music. Like, that's just how my head works, but not, not like, oh, this was sound good in this song. I feel like that's just not how brain works. What about DJing? Because I feel like everyone in Korea is a DJ, to be honest. There's too many DJs, and my, this is like often record, but my boyfriend is a DJ, and he's like in this oldest DJ crew of Korea, right? So they're like, they're like OG crew, like they've been around for years. And he always, he's a turntable is. So you know, like, he's like not about the new DJs, these days, just took top DJs. Yeah, but that's cool that record. That's cool that like eight year universe, your boyfriend's a DJ, but like, I think I remember your, you taught me that your brother also runs a shot. My brother, do you have a brother, right? Yeah, he doesn't, he doesn't run a shop, but I thought he like ran like a like an artist shop or something like a, like a magazine store or something. No, my brother's a finance. Like what? I thought you said I like, because like you mentioned to me, like about this like Z, magazine spot or whatever, or bookstore or like, what was it? What was it called? Do you remember? Maybe I meant like, oh, he's a like my brother. Wait, or maybe was, no, it's definitely not your, it's in, it's in this shop. I have, I have it right here. I'm sending my brother and blockchain industry. You're kidding. You're kidding. Wait, my brother works at the biggest blockchain investment company. Yeah, because career right now is just like going off with the whole like crypto. They still believe in a heavy. a lot of people. Are you in it? No, I lost so much money. Well, I gained a lot of money and then I lost a lot of money. I was like, this is bull. But it's like, honestly, I think it's still worse because there's still a lot of people involved in it. I don't think it will fail because there are already too many people in it. But it won't be bigger. I feel like because it will just be the same circle of people who are in it. No, that makes sense. Dude, I follow it closely of like all the scams in America. I got out. I got out. Me too. It was honestly fun while it lasted but kind of too much for me. It was too much. I mean, I got lucky when I got out, which is a good thing because I lost so much money and gained so much money at the same time. Exactly. It's so crazy. But imagine how happy I was to find out about this digital cryptocurrency. I make digital art, so I was like, yes, finally. NFTs are going to be a thing. I mean, this was like a couple of years ago. I was like, wow, finally happening. My time is coming. And I was like, wait a minute. This isn't actually for the artist. They made it look like it was for the artist, but it was all just fine as grows like your brother, like the farmer grows. I remember the farmer grows. Their documentaries are great too. I love their documentaries. So good. It's so much better about myself. Me too. Some days when I'm like, I want to kill myself. I get them. I'm like, well, you know, I would, I think I'm good where I am right now. I think my life is pretty good. Yeah, I love that you mentioned like about NFTs, you know, when every time I see like the Bitcoin logo and it's like spinning, it's always like for some odd reason, spinning. I'm like, oh, yeah, this is, this is May. That's crazy. Well, I actually get so much. I still get offers for NFT projects here in Korea. And I think just overall in Asia, it's still a big thing. And you know, like a lot of money, a lot of cryptocurrency in China and India, but I always tell them it's like, if you're going to pay me, like, I don't know, I don't know if I want to say this publicly, but just for you, like if you're going to pay me flat, I'll do it. Like, I don't want to get paid in coin. Oh, I mean, I, people tell me that all the time. Yeah. So I don't want any risk anymore. I don't want, I don't live that risky life anymore, feel me? I mean, my 30s. You're like, we're in our 30s, though, like you can't fool me. Yeah, I'm sorry. I would have done it if I were like 29, but I'm 30. Yeah, exactly. You're like, you can't fool me now. Yeah, my life has changed. I have a cat to feed it. It's speaking of like wild ass art, you know, I was scrolling through your gram and I'm already just because I wanted those gentle monster marigella shades. Don't tell me you got to free. Don't tell me you got a free pair. You got a free pair? I won't tell you. Yeah, what? I used to work at gentle monster. No, shit. Yeah, I worked there for a year before that was my last job actually before I went freelance. It wasn't making me working there. I would have stayed there longer, but I just had like I told you in the beginning of our conversation, I was like, if I want to do something, I have to do it like at the moment. Right. At the moment, I really wanted to do like some creative 3D artwork, but when I was in gentle monster, like we didn't really have a separate 3D team. I mean, they do now, but no one was doing 3D graphics at that time. So people were like a little suspicious of it in the beginning, like for all new, that's like, you know, it's totally understandable. Right. But I was like, guys, like we have to do this and they're like, okay, well, we need like five more people to confirm this. And I was just like, not patient enough to just get all those confirmations. And you know when you're in a big company, you always have to convince people that your idea is like going to make it. And I feel like I just got tired of like having to convince people that it's going to work when I know it's going to work. That's insane. So that's what I was like, you know what? I'm just going to go solo because I listened to Frank Ocean album too much. So low. I was like, I got to go. Well, well, yeah, because I went to the gentle monster store for the first time. And it wasn't so. And I can totally see, I don't know. I can't remember which one, but like I can tell you, well, they're like, they're, our pieces are crazy and they're like, I can see like some 3D work of yours totally in there for sure. But that's bizarre that you were there before. Yeah, we, we are definitely on the same wavelength. And when I was there, I was in a project team, which was like in charge of all the collaborations with other brands, which was like the best job to be honest, because I got to work with like all, not just gentle monster, but all these other brands that were involved in the collaborations. But the crazy thing about gentle monster is that everything they make is like not everything like 90% of the things are made in house. So inside the company, they have like this huge like warehouse things that kind of looks like Andy Warhol company. So like you have all these sculptors and like robot, like lab people working together on those like gigantic sculptures that you probably saw, you know, like they move. It's kinetic and it's actually really hard to make things move for a long time. You know, it's crazy to see them work together because like they'll say one thing like, oh, can this move in like 10 different ways? And they're like, oh yeah, bet. And I'm like, what did you just say? Like, how do they just know what they just said? They're like, you mean like this, this, this, this, this in their programming language. And I'm like, yeah, that's crazy. Crazy. And they have, I think they just invested in, they just bought this other like lab that works in robotics. And now they have this huge company basically just working for their store installations. You know how in the States, all the galleries like in Chelsea, like the Blue Chip galleries is like basically a front that everyone like talks about. I feel like in, well, I don't, I don't really believe this, but like sometimes all of the stores in Korea is like they have their one thing that they like push. Like I went to one of my favorite spots there was like this macho shop. And I'm trying to remember what the name was, but it was, it's, it's like macho something. And they had like a robotic arm that was like whisking the macho. And I was like, and I also went to a new friend's like record store called um, dive. And he made this like robotic like vinyl tables. And I was just like, I was like, yo, wait a second. The, the, the trend that I've been seeing, but like that's like content is like everyone has this like one thing that like it's, it's like either they're selling records or like they're selling much. It's like something so similar or like they're selling sunglasses. But it's like behind the scenes are actually like making something bigger and like wilder. That's like obviously breaking like bringing in like the big bucks. And like they do collaborations like like with gigantic like tech companies or car companies even. They're like sharing each other's ideas and like all the blueprints to like the next level of society. It's like they're just like, it's so crazy. Yeah. Cause all right. - I appreciate the gentle monster, but those sunglasses. - Yeah, they're sunglasses. - I'll take a free pair of the Marcelo sunglasses, but like all the other ones, I tried them on, I was like, yeah, this is like, I thought like I was gonna buy a pair to be honest with you, but they're like not my thing, but then I go to the Anderson Bell store, another Korean favorite, like Rockin' Anderson Bell. That's also like another gigantic store, like. - The space designs are, the space design thing is kind of getting out of hand too, but what you said about the companies and just small businesses doing like more than, they're like main thing, you know? Like it's just not, if they're only doing one thing, I feel like if they're just selling matcha, it's just gonna be like not what they are happy with, I guess. Like I feel like also in Korea, people are so fast with the technology stuff. And it's actually like, I think compared to other countries, it's cheaper to get the new, you know, the new technology things. It's easier to kind of like play around with it and see where you can't, you're headed with it. So I think people, once they have money, they invest into technology 'cause that's how our country like developed fast. Like with Samsung, you know? Like. - Oh yeah, I forgot about Samsung. - Yeah, people keep forgetting about Samsung, but that's how Korea rose up. Korea rose up with Samsung. And half of Korea's owned by Samsung. - I know, I heard, I mean, when I was there, I was like, oh shit. - And Hyundai, like people forgot about Hyundai, but. - No, that's the thing. Hyundai was like, Hyundai's the bad boys behind like the someone in the attack. Yeah, I'm sure. - They run this country, man. And people forget about them. And you see like these new brands of these new new like companies doing cool things and they're behind everything. Even like the coolest art things that they're doing in Korea. Like you see all those sponsors and sponsors always Hyundai and they have, you know, the music libraries, they have this, have you been, even to Hyundai don't, right? With the Hyundai music library, with the vinyl factory. - No, that sounds amazing though. - I only went to the library. - You probably passed by it 'cause it's like this big like music library that the, one of the Hyundai, with the big Hyundai guys made and he's like really into records, right? So he's really into analog music instruments. So he basically invested like all his money into music industry. And they made this thing called Hyundai Card understage. That's like in the middle of E 10 one. And they're like, they bring the biggest celebrities there to perform like next month, like Bruno Mars is coming. And like last, I think a couple of years ago he brought like Billy Eilish and like Kendrick Lamar, like all these people that only work for it's kind of forward, you know, like small businesses can't bring them to Korea. - No. - Unless they like want to hang out if you're after the Fuji Rock Festival, you know. - Fuji Rock Fest. - 'Cause you know everyone, every time, like I know if people from music industry and I ask them like, oh, why is this person like performing in Korea is so random, they're like, just coming here after the Fuji Rock Festival. And I'm like, okay, yeah, makes sense. - Yeah, that makes perfect sense. - Like that's the thing, I think like the Korean people are always struggling to like, make soul a cool city so that people will like, at least stop by it when they're in Japan. Like that's what the younger kids, like my people, my generation, we always talk about this. It's like, you know, like all the rap stars, like they wanna go to Tokyo, they wanna hang out in Tokyo. But like they don't wanna, like it's different now, but until a couple of years ago, they're like, they don't come to Korea, you know. It's like, why don't they come hang out in Seoul? Like why do you think Korea's like not attractive enough for these people and this artist to come just like, hang out, like not for a performance, just like, hang out. And we were always just like, you know, Tokyo, I feel like just have, they have so many subcultures. - Right. - Like they have a main culture, like the entertainment business. And they have like a million subcultures. Like they have the Otaku culture. They got all this anime, but they also have like a crazy, like sex things. They have good strip clubs. And Korea is just like, it was kind of bleak to be honest. Like it was this big mainstream culture and then maybe like two subcultures. Or there were subcultures. It was like not just in the spotlight. It was just too underground for people to know about it. Cause like everyone, many of them have education here. And when they're young, they're like basically locked in schools and like not a lot of go anywhere. So I think the only good thing about social media, not only good thing, but one of the, you know, better things that social media did is putting exposure to these subcultures. But now in Korea, yeah, now in Korea, they're like all these crazy things happening, like like cats, whiskers, keep showing up here. Like she's like, hey. Now with social media, like you see all these, like the crazy cool people in Korea. Like people making like really random shit, but they're like in like a very like kind of isolated area of like a random area, but like they're like on a vice or like ID. Cause like people found them somehow. I'm like, how do they, how do they find this person? - Yeah, what you said about social media is so true because if someone were to like look at your Instagram, they'd be like, oh yeah, where is this? Like I want to go to this. Cause all the work, all the work that you're putting out is absolute heat. - Thank you. - I mean, yo, I mean, the Rolex one was really funny. That one was the one I resonated the most only because the fact that I was like Rolex shopping all of last year and then I was like, - Yeah, maybe it's a sign. You know, like I also made this like a weird thing for myself that, you know, you said that the hustle culture is over, but in Korea is still very much hustle culture. I think it's cause like it's in that, you know, that time, it's in that era. I feel like Korea is like finally the peak and everyone's like, we got to work, like we got to work harder to keep this going. So everyone's like doing 10 jobs, like they're wearing too many hats. And it's funny, like, it's kind of cool to see my friends like doing really well and kind of like flexing. And I like, when I started working freelance, I kind of like needed to set some goals for myself to keep pushing cause I like didn't really know exactly where I wanted to go with this because I just started kind of like with no goal. I was just, I didn't know what I was gonna be or where I was gonna go with this 3D thing. And, you know, I just, but I knew I just had something and Simon's like, I have to do it because no one's done it before. So one thing like I started doing was that every time I worked with someone or something, I was like, maybe I'll like, in the beginning, like for example, like I would make something for Chanel, like a for a ring, like for the Cocoa Cross Ring, I would make an advertisement, but I was kind of sad that I could never afford it. It was like making something, I'm making an ad for something that I can never get. Like that was kind of the mindset that I had. And I was like, maybe I was a set that as my next school was like to save money to get the thing that I made it for. And then I ended up like making a list of things that I like wanted to get. And that actually like weirdly got me like working really hard. And like one by one, I like started by the things that I made an ad for. And I was like kind of like fun to make this narrative for myself because like it kind of like gives me motivation to make get like work for something that I like. Because like when I make something for a clan or a brand that I actually like have passion about, do better you know like or understand the product better at least so like know what the charm is about the product or like what they're selling whatever they're selling what was the top what was the list or what was the top of the list definitely the Rolex that I bought hey it's on my wrist now yeah let's go yeah and the Chanel ring damn and that kind of makes me like feel like I'm going on the right path I feel like everyone just needs their own standards like I'm obviously not like promoting like all these expensive goods to be your number on priority but it's just like it's different for everyone obviously but this to me is like it's something that I can own forever and like gives to my if I ever have children like I can give to them and like tell them my story with it like I used to like you know be broke as hell but when you know how your mom got all this I worked hard it's the new Asian story Asian immigrant story here's my role but you have to buy it off of me that will be my that will be your painting is that what you said no my parenting but painting would be a kind of a good concept like that's art well hats off to you and everything that you do for some just are where many hats solutions all right if you were to do a 3D design of where many hats object what would it be oh for where many hats I can't think of an object right now but I always like love a microphone and I kind of like when you said that I just kind of came up with this image in mind I was like bust down microphone like in universe like just solo traveling solo after not microphone yes I like that would be it after not microphone so sick with like endless endless flash drive connected to it like whatever you want to the flash drive yeah dude I would say whatever yeah I could I could see that I could see that also I don't know why but like I also scrolled down and I saw that you have like a NASA badge speaking of astronauts that was actually from the Tom sex exhibition and for the people like first hundred people that came I think he get he made the the badge for everyone you I had to take a test for that what do you mean but it wasn't like a legit test but it's part of exhibition but he had all these people dressed up as like NASA people fake NASA people and they like ask me questions like when's the last time you lied oh I was like oh so I have to be like in the head I was like I have to be honest with this or like am I being recorded like what is going on and they were like acting too they were like good actors and they're like if you're not being honest with me like we're gonna like beat you up like put it put you in this like electric chairs well that sounds like Tom sex he's canceling it right now and I didn't really put to me yeah I didn't click to me at the moment but I was like I lied like this morning and I had to take all this test like when's the last time you throw up and like you know he has this like 10 bullets thing that he had everyone watch and that's answer those questions and then I got a badge he shoves that down as people's through it's all the time 10 bullets and then I mean I also saw that you've also worked with like I mean I don't know who no Daniel Osham but like yes I met him you guys are besties no we're definitely not besties but I got a really good chance to work with him because he did a collaboration for the breast cancer awareness event that W Korea is doing and it's kind of like not similar but it's kind of like the Met Gala of Korea like all this celebrities show up so like basically like all this celebrities show up for free and the brands that like put clothes on them pay for the advertising fee to the magazine and they donate that to the brats. Oh hey that's rude oh my god she's such as a tension sicker we love your cat we love cats on the where my hat show okay she's just okay we're having technical issues oh I love her it's like she wanted you're talking to me no that's crazy so it's just like because it's like I see like a weird trifecta it's like Daniel Osham oh yeah and then like virtual oblo is like you like yeah we're instant friends we used to be instant we used to be instant friends damn so Daniel Osham he did a collaboration with them and they asked me to make a 3D like a so he made a sketch of the logo with the heart and everything and they asked me to do a 3D like video of it and for the stage because they had like performance with new jeans and is that your favorite UTS new jeans yeah I mean new jeans who who doesn't like new jeans do you say you do like Kpop I love Kpop and I listen to it I don't listen to it often but I'm I'm always rooting for Kpop because I feel like Kpop is about it's like a lot it's a lot about good energy it's I feel like Kpop is kind of like it's just like let's kids dance I feel like it's I still feel like Kpop's for kids to be honest I don't think I really brought dolls I feel like a doll should listen to like Adele more or something but you know I'm glad that it's not like a sexual like weird like I think it's healthy maybe it's not like visually because they're all like the skinny like pretty good with I think it's getting slightly slightly better I don't know I have mixed feelings about it actually yeah I mean the the first time I've I've listened to Kpop and like got experts to it was at Banchon so without Banchon there would be no Kpop for me yeah I mean I go Rob listening to Kpop so obviously I have so much love for it but I think it could be better like musically yeah that's it and that's all if if you were to get a chest tattoo quote what would it be you know that's actually really hard question because how big does it have to be like can it be very little in the center of like really tiny yeah it can be tidy it would probably be like I don't know I like thought about it but like I have to get one right only at this time I don't know I might get something that's very cringey for the like laughs like live laugh love or something that's a common one on the show I would do so I would do it for the cringe I think what's that in Korea in Korean live laugh love I don't think they have like that exact phrase but in Korea there is a very like cringey phrase that people use like gangsters get a tattooed it's chak kage sarja which means live good like live as a nice person yeah cuz it's like sarcastic yeah they get a tattooed on their body like be good basically so maybe I'll get that you should get that you are pretty gangster. I'm ready to now. this whole conversation has been gangster. Yeah, maybe it's um, I don't know. It's maybe a cap rising thing. It's cap rising. It's cap rising and and leave it. I think it is cap rising. Honestly, all the cap recording that I have, I'm, I keep going back to this astrology thing, but I didn't realize how big that's like, it's, I think it affects me a lot, like the astrology thing. It affects everyone. Like, just, I'm just realizing it like at this moment. Well, I'm having a big realizing moment, things for the, yeah, live, uh, what, live, what, what, the prosper, no, I'm going to do like love wins. Love wins. We, we, we love love on the Wehrman hats podcast. But I'll do like L point w. They'll be like, if someone asks me what it means, I'll be like, oh, it's short for love wins. Oh, God. And the cringe gets even cringy. And I'll be like, we love it. Oh, like the, like, yeah, like, they can't really like, this you, because you're like so naive about it. I was like, yeah, love wins. Don't you love love? Plug your socials right, can, where? Plug your socials right, can people find you? Um, um, I was like, I'm imagining this too deep, um, origin, my socials. Yeah. Um, I'm on Instagram, uh, you can find me at Gucci May. Uh, I used to be Gucci May, because I was the biggest fan of Gucci main, like, I made this, I made that handle in high school. And I like, I have so much love for hip hop and I have so much love for Gucci main and walk on flock of flame. But I started working with fashion brands and I realized that actually a lot of people care a lot about the name and how I didn't really, I mean, I had no idea that I would actually work with Gucci, like, it's crazy. But it happened. And then I worked with other fashion brands and the headquarters were like, what this girl like, she's Gucci main. And I was like, that matters to you. You know, maybe what matters, yeah, name matters, name matters. So I changed it to be more versatile. And that's how I tell, that's what I tell people all the times, like, when people ask me for advice or like, what do you think is the most important, like, thing to be like a good artist these days or something like that. I'll be like, you just got to be very flexible and very versatile. I feel like that's the key these days. That is the key. That is the key these days. And people don't stress us enough that you need a good name. That's so true. Name is so important. A name is so important. And like, no one, you're not going to read that like in any book. I think you got to like hear from someone. So that's true. Y'all can start from here first. But you know the good thing about creatives, creating people that you can have your creative name. You can make whatever you want and call it your your creative name. Like, oh, I'm like snuggle. And then we're like, why are you snuggling? It's my like artist name. And then we're like, oh, snuggle. Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah, you know, like we can get away with it. We can get away with anything. Like, well, yeah, I'm toilet paper. Oh my god. I mean, that has gotten away. That has gotten away. That is that is real, actually. Well, thank you, mate, for coming on where many hats. It was great to have you. Yeah, thank you for talking. Yeah, I feel like I just kind of said whatever. And I don't know if that was like helpful to anyone. But you know, like, I think the best thing about podcasts is that you get to hear whatever other people are thinking from where you can't like meet them. So what anyone is like listening to this and like wondering if they haven't done anything in Korea or like talk to anyone in Korea about, you know, creative names or creative projects, feel free to contact me anywhere. Bang your line, guys, or don't. Or just email. We have this normal thing of communication called email or short. All right. Until next time, this is where many hats presented by Disar and I'm Rashad. Peace. 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