[Music] This is a global player, original podcast. Go big or go home. And that is what we are going to do today with our very first guest, none other than four-time Formula One World Champion, Mr Max Verstappen. Snap, snap, snap, snap. Well, I certainly hope that everybody at home has got their tea ready. I've got mine and DC and I definitely got all the tea with Max. We did indeed. We got the chance to sit down with Max and bring to you a side of him that you don't normally get to see. Well, does he like the new car? How long is he staying in F1? And all about when you and him race DC. It's well, it's Naomi. It's David. It's Joley. Now let's get you up to speed. [Music] Well guys, we're going to get into this interview in a minute, but DC, I mentioned on Monday, if you guys listened in on Monday, if you didn't, go back and listen to that. Please, please, please. But I was talking about how I have known Max for a very long time. So I'm as a young little bambino as a race track. He was just as quick then as he is now. But DC, I'd love to know, like, what is your first memory of Max? And how far back do you two go? Well, it goes actually back before Max was on Planet Earth and that I raced against Joss, his father in Formula One. And as you know, as a former Carter, Sophie, Max's mother was a very talented car race hit as well. Your pain champion even? Yeah, that's really impressive. Because, uh, Carting is the stepping stone to future success. And it was quite clear that Joss, when he stepped away from Formula One as a driver, put all his energy into helping take Max through that journey. And the rumors were spreading around, you know, Joss would come to the odd race, I would do the odd event with him. And he was saying, yeah, my boy's coming along well. And yeah, he eventually comes as a young teenager to the Formula One paddock and parades around and gets pictures with everyone. Little did we know, by the time he was 17, he would be driving a Grand Prix car in anger. And very well with that as well. Well, my favorite Max memory. And you'll probably all be able to finish my sentence here. But 2024, guys, let's track back a little bit. That Brazil race, P17 to go on and win it. Whether you love him or whether you hate him, which is something, again, we discussed on Monday, I'm a big lover of him. That's sensational. Yeah. P17 to win. And you know, he's not racing snails. It's pretty incredible. I think, Julie, what you've absolutely established there is a defining moment that all his competitors, Lewis, Landel, whoever it was, Vettel, who was still around at that time. The old one, yeah, you know what? That was brilliance. Something else. And that's the thing with Max is, even his rivals, you know, have to take their hat off and say, on his day, we just can't do what Max does. And DC, you mentioned it, but he was talked about from the youngest of ages. It almost seemed that he was always going to make it to Formula One. He was always going to be a world champion. But the guy that you meet, the guy that you get to know, away from the guy on track is just a lovely guy. One of my favourite memories of him, and I met him first time back in 2014, when he was just stepping out of carts into single-seaters. When he made his debut in F1, my parents came to the Belgian Grand Prix that year. My dad was quite ill and left the spout six months afterwards, but Max wasn't to know that at all. And it was raining. And so we ran into the Red Bull Motorhome to get out of the rain. And Max was there, and he said, "Oh, these are your parents?" I said, "Yeah, my mom, my dad." And Max introduced himself, and he turned to my dad, and he said, "Oh, by the way, Will taught me everything I know." Because we had that day racing together back in 2014. Total rubbish, obviously. But a lovely thing, and totally unnecessary. You didn't have to say something like that. And my dad just beamed. You know, and he could tell everybody that, you know, until he said he wasn't here anymore. And Max will never know how much that meant, you know? And it was just, it was lovely. 100%. And just listening to you, DC, talking about, you know, back in the day when Josh brought him to the racetrack and he was just a young-in coming, you know, coming up the grades, you never knew what he was going to really deliver. And they truly have created a beast in every sense of the word, but also for all the right reasons. And I think what I really appreciated about this interview is that Max is quite the divisive character, right? He's, a lot of people either love him or they hate him. This doesn't really seem to be much of an in-between. But I think what I really hope, and I want everybody has listened to this interview, I hope that they get more of an essence of who Max for-staffed really is behind the racer, because he is a lovely person. He is such a lovely person. He's actually very thoughtful and quite emotional. And so I think he can sometimes come across slightly abrasively. I think he's a bit reactive. And I think that that sometimes has put people had their backs up against him. But I think that what we really genuinely get out of Max is something that's authentic. Well, as guests go, I think it's a pretty solid first guest on up to speed. And make sure to be following us @uptospeedshow. Comment, like, subscribe, leave a review. But more importantly, let us know who you want to see next. Who would be your dream guest? But I feel like we have, we've sold it well. We- People are like, we just want to hear it from you. We don't want to hear you shut up. So guys, Max for Staffin is up next. Enjoy. Up to speed. Good morning. Good afternoon. Yeah. I don't know why I say good morning, because I'm in Jeddah. So I'm afternoon as well. And Naomi's in Paris. I'm still in pajamas. So let's just say it's morning here. Yeah, I'm just- I'm in my underwear, actually. I just have a tissue. I don't believe you stand up. So how are you, buddy? How was the winter? It's been pretty short, to be honest. Plus, after the final race, I was actually quite ill. So for like a week, I didn't do anything. So that made everything even shorter, I would say. Oh my god. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't really feel like I actually had a proper winter break. If you know what I mean. Yeah, like a week in Brazil. But before that, I was ill. So I didn't really get to do that much. Well, Max, welcome to the show. First of all, welcome to Up to Speed. We wanted to get a trophy for you, but we figured your trophy cabinet's probably too full. But you are our first guest. So welcome. Thank you very much. I feel very honored to be the first guest. We start with a bang. Well, yeah, keep it clean. Yeah, I'll try to be nice. Thank you so much. It's really nice of you. But just whilst I have you both, right, this is a unique opportunity to talk about the fact that you guys race against each other in the past. And I think DC, maybe you want to tell us how that went for you? Yeah, well, you're referencing when Max and I did a single shootout lap around Emola a couple of years ago. And what was the V8 Formula One? And look, I just don't think it's appropriate ahead of the season to talk about how much quicker I was the Max. So can we move on to the next question? Well, I didn't, I was not even thinking about Emast. I was just thinking Monaco, Monaco, what night. He was five seconds quicker than me, I think. Am I being, am I remembering that correctly? No, I was, there was that, no, it was not five seconds. You see, come on. Five seconds, that's huge. I mean, an arch that's massive really hard DC. Sorry about that. It did. It reminded me why I retired. I mean, I think a lot of people could have expected that to happen. But five seconds is a little bit more than even I would have anticipated. Out of you, DC, come on. Yeah, but you know what? I think Max has good real potential. I should do something with it instead of just being a taxi driver and Monaco. Literally. So where are you, Max? You're in Bahrain at the moment. How is things over there? How's the weather? How's the vibes? Everything good? It is. It's all right. I mean, the temperature is good. I mean, it's nice and warm actually for testing. Yeah, I mean, I did yesterday, of course, that like a full day, which I think was good. I mean, we did a lot of laps just checking a lot of stuff, you know, new regulations and it's not easy. It's very complicated, everything. But yeah, we are running. You know, we're running well. We don't have issues. Not not not in crazy. Let's say like that. I mean, you always run into a little trouble in testing. Every single year, but it's been good. Like we're just going through our testing program and trying to prepare as well as we can, you know, before we had to Australian. So Max, bring me up to speed. Never mind our beautiful listeners. But how different? Everyone keeps talking and these cars are so different to drive. Surely you have a steering wheel. You've got four points of contact, a throttle, a brake. In layman's terms, explain to me, why is it so different this year? Yeah, I mean, exactly like you said, I mean, that of course doesn't change. Just the car is less grip. It accelerates a lot faster out of the corner. But of course, also, you know, the whole layout of the car is completely different. The tires are different. So the way you have to drive it around the corner is very different. Because the grip is also generated a little bit differently, less through the floor. So you are sliding around probably a little bit more and then you have more power coming out of the corner. So with less grip, that's a bit harder to manage. And of course, it depends also a bit what kind of corner you're coming out of. So the lower speed corners, you're just waiting a longer, yeah, period of time to go full throttle and stuff. So it is actually a bit of a change, I would say, over the last few years, where you would jump back into the car in preseason. And it's like muscle memory and it's just a better car, normally than the year before. And yeah, you just immediately, you're back into things. And it's actually a very long day of just going to test, test items. But now we're going to go back to the car.
you definitely need to rethink your driving and approach a little bit as well. So everyone keeps asking us what is the season going to be about? What are the cars going to be like? Are they going to be better? Are they going to be faster? And we're now finally seeing drivers going out on track and comments coming out of Bahrain. We've heard Lewis saying that these cars are ridiculously complex. So Max, out of all of the eras of Formula One cars that you've driven, would you say that this is your favorite? Probably I would say least favorite. Yeah. But that is because I think the word that you can use for the whole year will be management. I think that's the right word. And I mean at the end of the day when you go into competition, you will always do the best you can with what you have because it's the same for everyone. But that I mean sometimes things can be more enjoyable than others and for me personally, it's not so enjoyable. But I do know of course that when I sit in the car, I will always give it my best because also the people of course that have designed the car and the engine of course is here which I mean it's been honestly incredible to witness how these guys have started from zero and have given us a power unit that is running well. You know like we don't have any issues. It's a fast enough, I have no idea. You know we have to wait and see but obviously it's just incredible to work with with all these great people. And for me to then say of course that it's the least enjoyable is not very nice but I also want to say that I know that when I sit in the car of course I will always always give it my very best. But yeah it's just not not really enjoyable. I mean it's not pure Formula One. If anything I could tell you it's probably like Formula E on steroids. Okay okay. When you get out there and the lights go out irrespective of what the car you want to win. You're a serial winner and on the opposite side of the garage you have a teammate of course and as we both know you know it's good if you get along with your teammate but he's there to be beaten. Now we've got Isaac Hadger this year, bright young driver who's shown great potential. Have you had any chance yet to see how he's performing? Are you feeling more like the elder statesman where you want to sort of get your arm around his shoulder or is it just like hey you do your job I'll do mine. Well no I mean you of course you know you work together and you know we haven't really done that much yet right so he's great honestly he's a very nice guy and of course you know when you're more like you know you're just heading into your second year it's you are in a very different probably state of mind where probably for me going into my 12th season is you're a bit more relaxed about things you are a bit more I would say not I mean not laid back but you just like you know this is testing just you know go step by step work with the people so even when he's in the car like I don't I'm not gonna stand there in the garage like you know watching every single detail I will just watch from the back you know a bit more relaxed like I'm doing actually right now I'm not even at the track so yeah it's it's a bit different but honestly like at the end of the day we just have to try and make the car goes fast as we can and I'm really confident that we will do that you know and I'm sure also you know we get along absolutely fine and I know him of course for a longer period of time being part of the junior team and then getting into Formula 1 so that's absolutely fine I have to say it's gotta be so daunting I mean second year in Formula 1 firstly jumping up into the into the big red ball team but then to be teammates with you Max which you've you know got a bit of a reputation of making your teammates look amateur at the best of times yeah big big task ahead of either I think as a driver though like you have to believe that you are always the best right I mean that should be the approach I mean you have to say to yourself I can beat anyone and I mean I am all for that also for everyone so when I was like that when I started in F1 my in my first year I was like well if you give me the car I will win the championship that's how that's how you think of course when you then look look back at things you have to make mistakes you have to learn from them and that is better to happen in a car that is not capable of fighting for a title it hurts a little bit less so actually I'm very happy of course with the approach that I had in in my first year you know being a bit in the middle fighting for points but still of course also have some silly mistakes and I think that's that's good to start like that both you and I have raced so we can visualize what Max sees through his visor when he approaches a corner but what I can't imagine is how Max is able to feel the limit of the group like so consistently and so without mistakes what do you even understand how you do what you do do do you think about I'm breaking I'm turning in I'm going on the power or does it just a feeling thing you know is it just through the seat of your pants I think well it's two things probably like I think from a young age trying a lot of different kind of racing helps in different kind of conditions because you will always pick up something that can be useful in a very critical scenario you know when you lose the car or or whatever I yeah I grew up you know racing basically whatever had an engine like I mean I love driving all different kind of cars and there's always some technique or something that yeah makes you a bit more of a all-rounder driver that you can use you know so whatever I learn in a fun I might use in GT's or whatever prototype car and just constantly practicing as well online like it's a bit of muscle memory and then I think besides that is that also most of the time when you are in the car you're not driving at a hundred and two percent where a lot of drivers I see are constantly on you know they're constantly trying to go as fast as they can we're probably I'm not doing that that's a bad news for everybody I mean I remember when I was really young for the listeners who who maybe don't know Max O'Wall Max was always constantly on the racetrack and I remember when I was living in South Africa I used to come back to Belgium my paternal family lives in Belgium and I used to come over for the summer rent ago cart and continue to drive as well and Max would always be at the car track in Gank constantly doing laps I mean I think the guy never stopped to take a break for lunch or anything else yeah I mean Gank was my home track I mean I can I think if you turn off the lights in the night and I drive I think I can still drive the track just ice closed I can do some things in the dark but I couldn't drive on the racetrack okay well I think this is a perfect opportunity to talk about sim racing I mean you're notorious for the amount of time you spend in your simulator I mean you come off the racetrack out of the Red Bull hospitality straight into your motorhome and you're on your sim whether it's at home or at the racetrack you just love to be in your simulator do you think that that plays a role into you know your adaptability in the car and your learning as well in your constant evolution yeah I mean I think it's definitely that I mean I I am constantly thinking about how else I can like improve or find performance like I've never satisfied yeah with any kind of I mean but so I always come out of a weekend I'm like could we have tried something else could we have tried more and I think it's always that hunger of trying to find more performance like my dad from a young age always told me like even when you win races it's never good enough right there are always things that you have to look back at and could have done this better or could you know could I have looked into this detail more or could we have looked into the engine more like we you know could we have had a different setup and and that's what I also try to apply this is also what I always try to explain to the this in the sim racing team to my sim drivers that you ask them the question I have you tried everything have you yeah no we have the setup for the race we all you know we're set I'm like are you are you sure you know have you actually tried everything should you not go over it again and I mean I would I would still change the setup like the night or in the middle of the night before the race because I was still not happy with it where maybe others already for one or two days had the setup like set and they were happy with it because I always feel like even in the final moments before you get into the race that's sometimes we still find like a little bit more performance I just realized I didn't know you could change the setup yeah it's like almost I mean it's it's not as like fully sophisticated as in real life because some brands also they don't share everything of a real car right when you make this sim model especially to platforms because yeah they have little trick as you know in a funnels like there are little tricks and stuff that you cannot share but there is a setup sheet and you can change a lot of stuff on the setup best way to get a good setup is to say max please can you borrow me your setup sheet thank you yeah yeah certain platforms that that already gives you a bit of left time I just wanted to touch on you mentioned your dad there of course your mother was a racer as well so you you know you were effectively born on wheels and they've been a huge part of your your career your dad's out rallying and I saw you an interview with you recently where someone asked whether you would do rallying and you were like for fun yes but not for competition yeah so how does it feel for you to sort of be following what you you know your dad's out racing and winning championships yeah it's it's pretty crazy to be honest I mean I mean honestly what I find really impressive is that I mean he's 53 years old now almost 54 and he's racing against guys that are I mean what late 20s early 30s and in in some championship of course he's he's beating them and of course in rallying a lot goes through notes but at the end of the day when you do this like a certain rally a few times you you go off muscle memory a little bit for sure you know so if you do it for a few years you get better at it naturally and yeah he he's very good at it to be honest like he loves it he's very hard to beat like a dog.
like when we go on to like, let's say you rent like a little space on an airport and they set out the track and then you drive together. Like, honestly, like I have to go flat out to beat him, you know, to, to on a lap. And that I like that I like doing. But on a like in between like a proper stage and I mean, he shares me all the videos that he that he's doing in whatever kind of rally card he's driving. And I mean, I find it really impressive. I think it's really cool. But I just think about if I make a mistake and I hit that tree, I mean, the tree is not moving, you know, and that for me is like my limit. That for me is something that, yeah, I don't want to do. Is this a too high of a risk? And I know that sounds maybe a bit silly, but in Formula One, at least, or most of the time when you crash is like, you know, there is a barrier like a like a proper designed barrier that should absorb the impact a bit more. And yeah, it's a bit different in my in my head at least. And it's just a risk that I'm not willing to take, but it is really cool to see. And I mean, also like the Monaco rally in WRC, like it's unbelievable, you know, what these, what these guys do. So are you suggesting that your dad is definitely quicker than DC then? In a rally car, I think he will be tough to beat. But I mean, he loves he's such a fan as well of the rallying. And I mean, he's spending a lot of time on it as well, you know, to optimize everything within the car. Well, now, me, you're, you're too young, maybe to remember that I raced against Yoss in Formula One. Thankfully, I didn't race against them in the, could he's a couple of years younger in the lower formulas because he arrived very young into Formula One as a phenomenon. And then went up a gone alongside Michael Schumacher, who was pretty good behind the wheel seven time world champion. So yeah, it's, it's an incredible family story, actually, Max. Did you have a time to reflect on that? Are you just very much in the hearing now? How do I get the best out of the season and looking forward? I mean, you do, of course, a little bit with the family, but I think we can appreciate it probably even more ones than also I stop racing. And we all together just living our life, having a good time with a beer, probably somewhere and reflect on it. You know, my parents also get on very well, which of course is very helpful. Of course, it's super cool. I mean, no one would have ever thought in our wildest dreams that I would get on to achieve what I, what I did, right? I mean, the dream was to get to Formula One, but I mean, that's already such a it is to dream to even just make it. And then yeah, with everything that I have done so far, it's super cool. And that goes, of course, for my dad, but also at the same time, my, my mom, you know, we talk a lot about it. Of course, I'm not going to tell my mom what role bar that I put in the car, but, it's still like, you know, when I talk to my mom, I don't need to explain it in normal people language. You know, she understands and that I think is just really cool to be able to, to, yeah, just have a conversation with her about a lot of stuff. Yeah, that's so cool. And I think I can't imagine how proud they are of you. It's so cool to have that shared passion over two generations. Yeah, Max, I think some people might maybe misunderstand you who you are, your character. And I think you come across often as like the bad boy, a Formula One, but I think those who know you know who you are. But I do think that what's a really good show of character is everything you're doing with red line and the fact that you're actively paving away for the next generation into motor sports through simulator. So can you just talk to me a little bit about that and why it's so important for you to have a project like that that that gives these younger generations an opportunity? Well, it's also because I think go cutting nowadays is getting so expensive, even compared to when I was driving. There's no denying that even in go cutting nowadays is a lot of people with a lot of money that you know, they of course, and I mean, I would do the same if I had a son or a daughter that's racing, you want to have the best material, right? But the problem is, of course, when you have the money, the prices go up and to get the best material. So I feel like people that don't have the money or the possibilities in general, you know, they are being left out or they just don't get the right opportunities. People give up. People switch to sim racing and I see a lot of kids, younger kids and drivers they try to, yeah, through the sim racing, well, try and make a career. The old dream of racing, of course, in real life. And I had that similar story with my driver that is of course now in GT3. He did go cutting. He did very well. But then basically that's where the road stops, you know, and I'm just trying to create this opportunity where, of course, I mean, getting all the way to Formula One is a tough, it doesn't matter if even if you are the best go-ka driver out there, but I want to be able to give them a career. I want to be able that they can become a factory driver in whatever category and endurance, you know, I mean, how beautifully is endurance racing nowadays with so many manufacturers and giving people great careers and platforms. And for me, it's exactly that. I want to give the opportunity to sim racing that you can come and join us, learn, I would say, to become a professional driver in terms of how you operate from home or wherever you live before you even go into the real world, where, you know, it's structured. You need to be with real people, not just on the virtual. And, you know, you need to man up, you need to, you know, stand your ground and we try and teach that already from our sim racing team, all the basics, you know, and yeah, then you go into the real car. You hope it works out, but I had a high belief that, yeah, he would, yeah, you would be able to do it. And I have to say the first year that he did, of course, you make mistakes, but in general, he's done incredibly well. And now, of course, the next target is to become a full factory supported driver. What's great for me to listen to their max is your passion for this beyond what you're doing yourself. You've got incredible capacity. But that capacity is all around racing, isn't it? Your own racing, helping these other guys in racing. I take my hat off to you. Max, just before we let you go, I know you've got to get back to testing. So we're not going to keep you too much longer. But you talk a lot about not wanting to stay in Formula One forever and that you have a bucket list of other things in racing that you still want to do out there. So very quickly, because I know you've got to go, can you just tell us, where are you on that timeline of wanting to exit F1? And what is on your bucket list? Well, definitely closer to the end. That's for sure. Yeah. Well, I mean, honestly, like it's, it's a tough one. I would say, of course, the current regulations are not helping the, the longevity of my career in Formula One. Let's say like that. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I mean, I'm very happy with my career. Anyway, I already in Formula One, I can easily leave it behind. I have a lot of other projects. And also, and I mean, who actually cares when you're 60 or 70 years old? If you have one four titles or 10, because you're getting old and I prefer to spend that with my family and really spend time with them before they are also not there anymore. You know, and that's something that over time and realization, I, yeah, I start to see. I mean, last week I was skiing with good friends and family and my sister's boyfriend, they're getting married. You know, so I realized, like, this is fantastic. You know, like being able to spend a few days together and appreciate life for sure. Who cares? Like trying to go 24 times a year around the world trying to hunt for another title. And when you're six years old or whatever, like, I don't care if I win four or eight. I mean, I want to live my life. You only live once. And I don't want to spend 25 years of that in racing a car. You know, so I want to also just appreciate life and what is out there. So, yeah, we'll see. Maybe I sound a bit dramatic now, but I just don't want to keep hunting or keep trying to live only for racing. You know, I think that totally makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's really inspirational, Mike. And it's not exactly like you haven't got four world titles. So you wouldn't exactly be leaving not having done an incredible job in 41. Yeah, I think it's okay. I get asked all the time, you know, predictions for the year ahead. I know you're not in the prediction business anymore than I am. But let me ask you, who you see as being your strongest competitor this year, based on such a limited amount of knowledge. Well, personally, I think any good team with a Mercedes engine will do well. Yeah. Good to know. There you go. You heard it here first. Well, Max, we really hope that the number three is going to treat you well this season. Thank you for your time. And thank you for being our first guest on Up to Speed. You're welcome. Thank you, buddy. See you around. Up to speed. Great, great interview. I think it was really insightful. And one of the things that has been consistent in his time in Formula One. I remember interviewing him the morning after his first world title. Now that wasn't without his controversy. And as you can imagine, the morning after he was a bit dusty. He was there with his father who was also a little bit dusty. And they sat there and said, we've achieved our goals. If we never win another race, if we never win another world championship, this is what we set out to do as a family. And here we are now. He's got four world championships. And maybe he wins another. But how sincere and honest is that that look? Everything else is the icing on the cake. Sorry, I have to interject here. I just don't know. I do not believe it for a second. I don't believe it. What's the good? We just said how sincere he is. I believe it. I really like him. I can't go on enough for how much I like him. But him saying that he doesn't care. If he wins four, if he wins eight. Of course he cares. He's a winner. He's max for stopping for goodness sake. He wants to break all records. He's saying what he is.
so he can kind of cover his back in a way, but also, so if he does hate this car, he does hate these regulations so much. I can't imagine for the life of me, I might eat my words, that he will leave the store. I think if these cars are not enjoyable to drive, and let's be honest, if Max has got a car that isn't enjoyable to drive and he's winning a Grand Prix by 30 seconds, he'll find it enjoyable to drive. Because as you say, he exists to win. But if he doesn't find the joy in this generation of cars, I can see him walk away. I don't believe for a minute that he is all about breaking records. Because I do believe, as DC says, and I think what we've known from him from day one is he just wanted to win our title, let alone four. He will go and find something else to race and be competitive in and win titles there. He'll go to Le Mans and win Le Mans. He might go and do the World Endurance Championship. He might go and race NASCAR. He's got open invitations to go and do whatever he wants, wherever he wants, wherever he wants. And Max, I think, is a racer at heart and he's there for the joy of it. And if this isn't giving him joy, he'll go and find it somewhere else and he'll win there. And can I say just to kind of add to your point, Will, I think personally, and correct me if you think I'm wrong, DC, drivers go through four phases. Everywhere they go. The first one you arrive in a championship, you want to prove yourself. Tick, he did that. The second thing you want to do is win the championship. Tick, tick. He's done that. The third thing you'd like to do is dominate. Tick, he's done that. And phase four is that you want to enjoy yourself and have fun. And he's basically, I think, probably at phase four now, like he's won, he's dominated, he's proven anything he needs to prove. And, you know what, I don't know what the record title will be. I mean, he talked about it there, like there's more important things to life than just bagging world titles. Yeah, I think he summarized it in a way that I never actually had to explain before because I never dominated, never want to title. So I never got past phase one. But I do, Julie, sincerely believe that what he's saying is correct. And let's not put to one side that he could go off to do GT racing or Le Mans for a couple of years, like Fernando Alonzo did. And then come back to Formula One, Kimi Raikonen, stepped away from Formula One, came back with Ferrari. These guys can have a career for 25 years. You know, my generation, if you did 10 years, that was considered good. It's a different world today. You know what, I started thinking during that interview was obviously Max is the product of two incredible racing talents in Yoss and Sophie. And Yoss himself went through the junior formulas very much like Max did straight to F1, straight out of F3, was considered this young, you know, slightly loose, little bit wild, hot shot and didn't work out for Yoss in the way that it has for Max. But brilliant, Max's offspring will be Max's kids and it will have PK genes, right? Yeah. There's a lot more to check in because Kelly is the author of Nelson P.C. and how good might that kid be and might Max then pour himself if his kids show an interest in racing into then developing the career of someone who could be generationally with that kind of a gene pool. Yeah, even better. And I look forward to many seasons of this podcast and hopefully watching both of your children become very successful drivers. We'll be here on the sidelines, cheering them on and you guys can cheer us on over on our socials at Up to Speed show. Make sure to comment, like, subscribe, leave a review, repost all those fancy fun things on the algorithm. And if you don't like social media, that's okay because we've got an email for you at
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