MAURY POVICH Talks Drama, Conflict and Why We Can't Look Away

- Can we hold my girlfriend? - No, we're not doing it. - Okay, I talked to her enough. - You've talked to mine enough? - You want me to talk to your girlfriend? - Did he say he talked to mine enough? Oh, I thought you were doing a joke like I talked to her enough. Yeah, like, that would have been good. - You want to run that again? Can we hold my girlfriend? Yeah, I'd like to call your girlfriend. - No, no, no, no, no, you're supposed to say no. I talked to her enough. - Mori, okay, we'll do it at that time, for the top. Let's get an edit point. - No, we'll see if I talk to her enough. - Wait. (upbeat music) ♪ And then show all my friends ♪ ♪ And then show all my friends ♪ ♪ And then show all my friends ♪ - Hello and welcome back to the Adam Friedland show. I'm host Adam Friedland. First off, come see me live. I'm at the region theater as part of the Netflix's joke fest. May 9th, Justin will be there. San Francisco, California, May 29th to the 30th, Portland, Oregon, 6'11" to 13. My guest this week is legendary talk show host Mori Povitch, who of course hosted the Mori show from 91 to 2022. It dominated daytime TV with lurid stories from around the nation. I was very excited to talk to Mori, but before we jump in quick personal life update, I'm so excited to announce that I have welcomed my first son into the world. Everyone please meet Adam Jr. And of course, he hears my lovely wife, one big happy family. The joke is that I will be requiring a paternity test because Queen Elizabeth fucked a Chinese guy, and I'm raising him as my own. I love you Adam Jr. And maybe it's on you guys for thinking that this was it from cheating and paternity tests. Maybe she was just pregnant with God's wife. Well, God's son, God. Please enjoy the episode. We can do Asian, right? Ladies and gentlemen, we know him well, but today he has a secret to tell us. I can't believe it. We're here. This is a huge exclusive Mori Povitch, everyone. Television Legends, you have a secret. You have a secret. I can't believe the gallery. I love it. Terrific. Good to see you Adam. This is how much of a pro he is in retirement. But he walks in, and he's like, oh, this is a-- who's this prick think he is competing for the ratings, I think. I know. Yeah. And the only reason I'm here is you have big ratings. Huge ratings. I know. They're kind of not real. We hired a Russian bar. They're not real? Yeah. It's the same people-- yeah. It's the same people that stole the election for Trump into the 20s. In 20s? Oh, really? I don't know. Do they steal elections, you know? You probably know. They don't. You know all the secrets of the world? No. No. You used to-- you were telling me. You've rubbed shoulders with popes. No, I have never rubbed shoulders with a pop. You told me you gave a back massage to Pope Benedict. Was that the Nazi one? Yeah. Yeah, the Nazi. Who they put on his own. It wasn't a Nazi, but it was-- Hitler youth, let's be fair. Yeah. Let's be fair. Well, we had one of the funniest introductions of another. Let's just figure this out. Let's get this out of the way. Right now. Yes. Are you interviewing me or am I interviewing you? I like-- I think our thing is keeping a vague. I want to do that. You want to tell them the history of this? Of course, I was asked to be an interview magazine. They did it. Did you see the pictures of me? No. Some of the most embarrassing ones ever. No, but-- I was asked to get on here and talk to you. Yes. And I thought that you were interviewing me. And obviously, I was supposed to be interviewing you. They cut me yelling at the magazine if you remember. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. When we finally figured out that this was the case, was I said to you, you know, you're talking a lot. You say you talk a lot. Yeah, you talk a lot. You're relentless, in fact. And then you said, well, what am I supposed to do? I'm supposed to be interviewed. I said, oh, you're supposed to be interviewed. I thought I was supposed to be. I mean, how would you imagine that you're not being interviewed in a thing called interview magazine? There is no way in hell you would have said, yes, if you knew you're supposed to be interviewing me. There is no fucking way. So why would I do that? They would deprotate you. You probably got an email from Interview Magazine. How the hell would you have thought you were being interviewed? They're like, yeah, we got some schmuck kid to interview you. And my kid, he's 39 years old. 39 years old. And he's done not much with his life. But-- What do you mean? You're a big star. A huge, in fact, massive these days. You have a half a million on YouTube. Just on YouTube. Yeah. Across all other platforms is probably 200 million to half a billion. Half a billion? Yeah, I probably. Yes, yeah, it is. So why did you just say 3 billion? That behalf of the world. I was talking to you. Let's go back to this interview magazine thing. OK. We had a 45 minute scheduled conversation. It was minute 35. Yes. And you were like, can I stop you right there? I was telling you about my family. Right. I was telling you. And I was like, why are you talking about yourself like this? The concept of two people thinking that they're being interviewed. It's almost as if I'm jealous. Like, I didn't come up with it for the show. I've been around a long time. Yeah. That's the craziest moment in terms of interviewing that I've ever had. I mean, I've done maybe in a lifetime 50,000 interviews. Nothing tops that. Is that-- it is but an honor, sir. And you've seen it all, too. Yeah. I have never seen this. Going through your mind, you're like, this motherfucker will shut up. I've been in show business for-- how many-- five decades, six decades, six decades. And this guy is telling me, he was supposed to be interviewing me about my illustrious career. It's telling me about how his father's disappointment. Right. Then he didn't go to law school. Yeah. And he ended up in Washington. George Washington University. Yes, yes, yes. And he started in these kind of low-rent comedy clubs. Can you imagine if I was supposed to be interviewing you? It would have been perhaps the worst interview of all time. You, of course, are a native of our nation's-- Not many. Not many. I mean, we-- I mean, we are so rare-- see, we grew up thinking that the president-- he wasn't the president of the United States. He was the mayor, Mayor Nixon, or whatever. And the Congress was the city council. That's how we grew up. Because we had no home rule when I was born in 1939. And so we didn't have home rule to the early '60s. And we didn't even-- that was kind of a leaner. We still don't have full home rule. Yeah, you're not really-- Well, because much of a citizen-- We got a Congressperson, but she can't vote. So very-- I mean, really? She just has to observe. She says, like, great job, everywhere. I'm doing phenomenal. We're voting for a non-voting Congressperson. I was there shortly after the legendary mayor, Mary and Mary. I covered him for so long. Yeah, I covered him when he was at Howard University. Oh, as a youth. Yeah, as a youth. Did you know he had a future? Oh, yeah, because he was a great spokesperson for what they called "snick the student on violent coordinating committee." And he was terrific. And very impressive. And never knew Mary would ever run for political office because he was out there during the civil rights movements of the early 1960s. I was there for Mayor Fenty, who was Rihanna's cousin, I believe. Oh, really? Yeah, I was gone by then. What years were you there? I was there for the Obama election. So I started 2006-- You're a newbie. Yeah, newbie. It was an amazing night. I ran to the White House, and I shouted at the building. I was like, Bush, you asshole, fuck you. Really? It was a really cool night. Actually, he's a friend of mine. George Bush? Yes. Oh, yeah? How-- he's nice, I imagine. He's lovely. Is he like-- does he feel-- he feels bad? He feels bad, yeah. Now? Yeah, I mean, I think the best part of his life right now, to me, is that how he's conducted himself after he got out of office. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But have you seen his paintings before? Yeah. He never painted until he left office. Have you seen the early ones? The portraits? He became quite a guy. good like painter. He got like lessons and stuff. But the early naïve work of a bush is really interesting. What, scribbles? No, I mean, I'll show you right now, but he's like in a, there's something about washing your cleansing yourself of something. He's in a shower and a bath tub and he's looking in one direction. There's a mirror for, I assume, shaving and his reflection is looking back at him. And it's as if the ghosts of the wreck, the wreck. Anyway, he was very, he was very kind to me. Does he feel bad about the Iraq war? Does he was like, oh, yeah, have you asked him? You're like, no, that was a, first of all, yeah, we were, we were golf buddies for 25 years before he ever got to be president. He's good. I hear you're good. Yes. What's your handicap? Five. Five. Yeah, but it used to be better, but I'm going way up now. Trump's, Trump, he's got weird form, but he hits the straight. I saw that video of him with Bryson D. Shambo. Yeah, yeah. He hits the ball straight and then the guy, the caddy, the four caddy. Yeah, throws it a little farther. Yeah. I heard he shot an 18 once. It's like a dictator would, right? It's like a Putin scoring 15 goals. So George Bush would invite me and a buddy because we had this golf group of 12 guys that played golf every year for like 20 some years. Who else you got? Normish horse golf? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no famous people. Oh, one, one famous person. You ever, you ever heard of taxi cheers? All those friends. Yeah. Yeah. Director Jimmy Burrows. Jimmy Burrows. And he was one of the group. And Jimmy, uh, basically he and the Charles brothers created, uh, cheers. And so, and he directed all the friends stuff in phraser too. That was a phraser too. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And so, uh, so Jimmy was part of that. That's the only other big name. Anyway, George W. When he got to be president, he invited me and a buddy of mine, another guy who played with us to lunch every single year of his White House. Uh-huh. Every year we would go to there and and we go down there the first time he shows me, he says, you want to see where, uh, Clinton and Lewinsky, uh, did it? I thought it was an over-office, no? No, it's just little. I know. And he kept about this big of a, of a, right off the over-office. Yeah. It's just little, I don't know what you would call it, closet almost. In annex. Yes. Yeah. And so, uh, that's, he was proud to show me that. And he also showed me, uh, the gun, uh, Saddam Hussein's gun. Oh no, nevermind. Pistol. Not the gun, Cheney. Not that gun. But anyhow, so he would say one time, I mean, he was pretty funny. He said, he says, you know, I can't run anymore. I'm on a treadmill and I'm flipping through the channels. And he says, uh, how do you do that thing that you do every day with a straight face? And I said, well, Mr. President, think about all the things you have to do every single day with a straight face. Uh-huh. And he says, yeah, gotcha. Yeah. That was it. Yeah. So he, he, uh, connected with that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It must be hard sometimes not to laugh at things if you're the president. Yeah. If you're like at a state dinner with like a pretty funny country, you know, you have to only take it seriously. And so, yeah. We went to a state dinner for his father once, my wife and I. HWHW. What, what state did it? It was for, uh, believe it or not, I think it was for, uh, Shimon Perez, maybe it was maybe Israeli. Yeah. I can't remember. Do they serve American food at the state? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They don't like, you know, put a waffle out or something. But Connie, my wife Connie, she, she was sitting next to HW. Uh-huh. And I was kind of like in the, I wasn't like in the grandstand with Rumsfeld or one of those guys. I can't remember. Oh yeah. And, uh, was Rummy funny? Rummy was okay. He used to get pissed at the media. I'll tell you it was never funny. He was changing. Chady. Never. It was funny. That one, that nothing. Well, you mean, you mean the bird hunt? Did he say sorry? Yeah. What was Chady like? Was he scary? No. He was just, he was, he was just 100% serious all the time. Yeah. Palpatine. Yeah. His wife was nice. Oh, Chady's wife. You never hear about her. Yeah. She was great. What was her to? Lin. Lin. Yeah. She was great. Yeah. See, because, right? I knew them back when he was a congressman from Wyoming. Yeah. And I was doing a show in Washington for a local, for a local station. And so I, I knew, I used to have Lin on all the time and he wasn't worth it. You interview the Wyoming congressman's wife. Sure. Yeah. About what? Because she was doing something. I can't remember what or whatever. Yeah. She was, she was a live water. I looked her a lot. And, uh, so I mean, yeah. You remember during Iraq, Rummy would get so pissed at the press pool. Oh, sure. He'd be like, oh, it's another, another former congressman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That whole crew, that, that was like the post, uh, Nixon kind of Republican. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, who the star of every of that whole group was, was Condoleesa. Was she? Yeah. Yeah. She was great. Uh, uh, was her vibe like she was. She was, oh, friendly. Yeah. Uh, very accommodating. Uh-huh. Would talk to you. And she would talk to the press. Yeah. I, uh, I associate that, that era completely differently with my, uh, I was an adolescent. And I was very against Iraq. I can understand. I was like, it made no sense to me. I was, you know, I ended up being against the two. As soon as I found out there were no WMEs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel bad for, uh, MD's. MD's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was all, yeah. Uh, I feel bad for, uh, for old, uh, uh, Colin Powell. They were like, uh, yeah. He was another fine fellow. Yeah. Was he? Yeah. Great. So, uh, were you close just with that crew? Or are you, you knew everyone? Did I know anybody else? How do you link up with, uh, with the bushes? Because of George Debbie, because we played golf. Oh, because of golf. Yeah. All about golf. That's it. And you, I tell you it was interesting because when, when his father was the vice president for Reagan, I would go to cover the conventions. Yeah. And I knew his mother and his mother knew that I was friendly with George. And one time I'm going and there was a convention and, uh, she, Barbara was sitting in the front row and I was on the floor, I guess, trying to get stories or whatever. And she goes, come over here. Babs. Wow. She says, Marie, come over here. I said, yes, she says, can you convince George to stop using that smoking tobacco? Really? I said, Mrs. Bush, you got a much better chance of getting him to stop than I do. I can't get your son to stop that. But I'll tell you what I did do. It wasn't tobacco, probably, right? No, it was. Oh, nevermind. But I'll tell you what, I give this guy credit. When I first met him, you know, we used to like to drink. Yeah, yeah. And, uh, one year he came and he stopped, stopped, yeah, cold turkey. Yeah. He didn't want to embarrass his father and he stopped. Uh-huh. Yeah. And I was very impressed. Jeb was supposed to be the heir apparent, right? Yeah. Yeah. Connie knew Jeb more than I did. Really? Yeah. Connie was friendly with Jeb. Yeah. I didn't know Jeb much. I know Marvin, his younger brother, he's in Washington. Who's Marvin, Bush? What does he do? He's a soul singer. Yeah. Yeah. Investment guy. Oh, yeah. Really? Never, never into politics. How many boys was it? Just three? No, Neil. Neil Bush? How many of you got four boys? What's Neil's five? Huh? What does he do? Neil was in Colorado for a long time. He got into some, it's kind of, uh, he was the bad brother. Yeah. There's always one. There's always a naughty brother. There's like Roger Clinton. I don't have a brother. I don't have a none. I'm talking in presence. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Roger. Yeah. Roger was fun. Jimmy Carter's brother. I mean, Roger. Yeah. Billy. No, that was a son. Was Billy Carter? Use the alcoholic? I thought that was a brother. And then, of course, Fred Trump, Jr. Fred Jr. was also a drunkard. I don't know why I said drunkard. Yeah. Alcohol. Yeah. Have you met our president before? Yes. How many? Yeah. Just, uh, haven't seen him in a long time. What's he like as a guy? He's Trump. He's like that. I knew him. I almost want to say it was a different life. Yeah. Uh, first of all, first of all, way way back in like the mid to late 80s, all right. Uh, and I'm doing this show called a current affair, which is this tabloidity, really tabloid journalism. Yes, big time out front show and it was the time when He was cheating on Ivana with Marlamaples. And they were, it was New York Post, New York Daily News, covers every single day. And Ivana had Liz Smith in the Daily News and she was taking her side. And Donald had Cindy Adams at the post. He was taking her, she was taking his side. And it was back and forth. And I'm doing a current affair. I mean, Mana from Heaven. This is the biggest story. This is the best. Yeah. So, I mean, we played in golf tournaments together. I mean, he and Donald was always, you know, always had this huge e-go to this and that. So, I mean, and yet, I never thought it would go that far. I mean, it's kind of the most amazing thing we've ever seen, right? Who would have ever thought, right? I remember being, I was like, from the apprentice. He's the president, right? That night was shocking. So, one time at a current affair, this is how much he thought of himself. Gorbachev is in the country. And Trump is trying to get a meeting with Gorbachev at Trump Tower. And Gorbachev is coming to New York. And at the last minute, he has the cancel. And we had a current affair. We said, "Okay, we're going to play this trick on Donald." So, we hired a Gorbachev lookalike, hired this Gorbachev lookalike. And we had this great catch-up on his head or something? No, yeah, yeah. It was perfect. It's just a big deal. Italy. Italy, right? Italy or Africa? Italy or Africa? Italy or Africa. So, we had this Gorbachev lookalike and our great Australian reporter, Gordon Elliott, was with him in a limousine with some girls. And we're trying to buy Trump Tower. And we said, "At the last minute, we called Trump's office, Gorbachev is, he'll be able to stop by Trump Tower to say hello to you if that's what you want." And Trump comes down the elevator out of Trump Tower with a necktie to gift to Gorbachev. He gets there, he looks at the door, and he realizes the girls are there. And finally, Gordon Elliott says, "I think he worked it out." He finally figured out that this was a. Was this for the show? Oh, yeah, yeah. It was a classic thing. But he didn't buy it. He was clever. Because I remember, he was the only guy that walked away from Alley G's to get him down there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And if he was Trump, he'd go anywhere to see Gorbachev. Of course. But he probably wanted to build some gold crap in Russia, and they would have loved it, too. They love gold crap. Oh, God. Yeah. That's to me, desecration. What he did to the Oval Office. Just desecration? The East Wing, or something? No, the Oval Office itself. Oh, he closed down the. No, it's the gold. No, it's the gold. Oh, okay. I thought you were talking about the Lewinsky part. Well, Clinton, I guess, desecrated a little bit, too. Yeah, but not that way. I'll tell you. Yeah. I've been in that office from Kennedy through Bush, each president maybe changed the rug. Yeah. Maybe they put a different picture up of one of their favorites. Maybe a sculpture or something. Never like this. The plaques are pretty funny. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what you get. That's what we get for electing Trump twice. Of course, he's gonna put some gold crap up. That's. I don't. I've said this before, but my sister called me really mad about the East Wing of the White House. Yeah. And I'm like. I don't know. They're like concentration camps right now in America, like the detention centers. Yeah. Like maybe a little bit. There's worse stuff happening right now. I don't know why even so. But in other words, people are so infuriated by everything right now. And I think that the Trump Kennedy Center, do you change it to his name or both? No. Trump and the Trump Kennedy Center. Well, that's nice. Well, this is what I want to know. Are there democratic presidential candidates making a list of all the things that they've got to throw out? They're probably going to forget a couple. That's the thing. He's like. I got to put enough stuff. I got to put enough gold crap for me to forget. So the other day, he's trying to bargain with Schumer to get his name on Penn Station when they redo it. I can assure you that Schumer will lose that bargain somehow. Well. Just as he. You seem to. I mean, all these people are of my generation. We have no business running the country. Yeah. I was telling you on the phone when I first met Zora on the mayor, dawned on me. I was like, this is the first time someone from my generation is like in the game right now. It felt like that. I don't understand why we can't give it up. In my generation. You guys are doing good. Yeah, but. I mean, Congress. I mean. Congress, there's no money in Congress. We can't give it up. Well, okay. There's power, but there's no money. Go back to 2016. Jeb was supposed to be the heir apparent to that dynasty. I think probably was the front-runner, right? He thought so. It's right before Trump started to make a move. Even after he came down the escalator, Jeb was probably still in front of him. Well, that to me, maybe you could know better. But that to me wasn't a real thing. I think that he was negotiating with Jeff Zucker for the new season of Apprentice. And I think that he was like, "Well, fuck you, I'll run for president and I'll be even bigger." Well, I don't have to pay. If you took a look at the ratings. Yeah. His ratings had gone down. He built that show into the number two rated show behind the general. He was the genius behind the show. Yeah. I mean, he's so good that this war, I can't get a huge fan of what's going on in Iran, of course. You're a fan. Well, this man just promoted it, so yeah. No. I mean, what I'm saying is like, obviously we now know that everyone was there at the escalator, everyone was being paid, right? Oh, sure. Yeah. I mean, I think he was a fan of the show. And it seemed like it was the pictures of him on election night looked like, "Oh, fuck. Now I have to be the president, you know?" Well, I think he thought he was going to lose three times. I really do. I think he was going to lose three times. Yeah. But that's just me. What's your assessment of him as a guy from your couple times you've met him? I mean, you just had to take everything he said, you just had to just kind of diminish it a certain way. He's a promoter. Yeah. I mean, he's just one of the great self promoters of all time. But you know, golf, like, for some, is he behaving like he is on television? Is that just the guy he is? Or is that. Was it a little more serious on the golf course? Yeah. Yeah. He's all about him to his golf. Yeah. Or not even golf, necessarily. It's just in his life without remembrance. I don't remember this. Yeah. I'll tell you something. I've played with him once, maybe two or three, I mean, maybe I've played five or six rounds with him. Yeah. Never mentioned politics ever. Really? Never. That's. I mean, it's root. But this is before he was a politician. Before he was a politician. Trump has good manners. We all know that about him. Trump mentioned politics as a religion. Oh. There he goes. So you've really seen it all. You're a newsman for a long time, right? And your father, of course, was the head of the sports. He was a sports columnist writer for the Washington Post for 75 years. Yeah. And he broke, of course, Watergate. It was in the sports page. No, I remember. Yes, it was. Someone from the Washington Center has hit a ball. It's in the Watergate, I don't know, right? No. You broke Watergate, not my father. Woodward and Bernstein broke Watergate. I look into it. I'll take you in good faith, sir. Okay. Of course, my association with you, and I told you this when we first spoke, is being home sick from school, right? You. Me and Springer, I think. Well, it starts. Price is right. It was the first time. Oh, it was. Price is right. Because your parents are like a worker. A worker, of course. Who knew about him? Who knew about what? Oh, he was like a. Yeah, a little dirty old man. Something like that. Are they all? You're the only gentleman in showbiz. No. From what I understand. No, it's not true. So, you watch prices right, and then you get Springer, Mori. And then the end of the day, and it's funny. The end of the being home sick from school lineup, which was. Which was is around the Hornet and then PTI. - Right, and of course, I mentioned that's you. - Cornheyser, you love. - And your father hired Cornheys. - Yes, hired Cornheyser. - In fact, the sports editor hired him. He wanted my father's opinion of him. The hire Cornheyser, Cornheyser's kind of like the first guy they hired at the post in the sports department to be kind of humorous, all right? - So he writes his first few columns. My father goes to the sports editor, George Solomon says, I don't think he's funny. And George says, Shirley, my father's name was Shirley. Shirley, you don't really know, I don't think he's funny. So then my father, God love him. And I give him a lot of credit. About three weeks later, goes into Solomon's office and says, George, I was wrong. He's very funny. - He's one of the funniest guys. - Yeah, I love, are you calling him? - I'm gonna try. Let me see what the story is. - Cornheyser? - Let me see if I can get it. - I asked Pablo to do this to him. - And he wouldn't do it. - He did, but he didn't pick up, and I left the board. - He didn't pick up? - Yeah, but maybe for a-- - He's gonna be pissed off because he wants everything, you know, he's the Larry David of-- - He wants everything. - He has to have everything later. - I won't blow it. - I won't blow it. - But the point is, will he even consent to talking to you? - You're a huge, if what you say goes. - Oh, God. - Put it on speaker. Oh, I hope he's not there. I hope he's there. We'll call Bush after that. - Yeah, I don't mind it. - Can we call Bush, then? - Hello. - Tony, Maury. - Sure. - I'm Maury. - How are you? - I'm fine, and I'm doing better on chip shots because of you. - Oh good, you're chipping is much better. Isn't that great? Now, here's the thing, Tony. I know I hate to do this because I'm sitting here where the guy that Pablo loves the best and he tried to get you to talk to him. His name is Adam Friedland. He's a big time pot. - I don't talk to people. - Okay. All right, you won't talk to him. You don't wanna talk to him. - Put him on, is he there? - Yeah, he's right here. Tony, Tony. - Put him on. - Tony, I left you a voicemail with Pablo. I don't know if you know how to get the voicemails on the, these folks. No. - I don't know how. - I'm a master. - Are you the person who compared me to Adolf Hitler? - Adolf Hitler? - No, he's Larry David, Larry David, yes, yeah. - Okay, that was so odd because I sort of know Larry David. I mean, can you loop him in? Let's get him on the phone. - Yeah. - Yeah, let's go ahead, no, sorry. - Larry David went to this camp. Camp Tioga for one year. And I went there the next year and met the woman who then became my wife. And so everybody had Larry David's stories 'cause he was like, you're more 17 or 18. And then I met Larry a couple of times and he, I think he thought I was a jerk. - Really? - Yeah, I mean, I think that was my sense of it. His best friend in high school was a very good friend of mine in college. - Bertie made off, of course. - No. - No, no, no, no. Did he go to that school? Does she set Bay High School? - Oh, I, my friend Jay Bloomfield. My friend Jay Bloomfield was a very good friend of Larry David's. Anyway, I don't talk to people because I will say something. You'll be the end of my career, I just don't know it. - Of course, and I'm looking forward to you coming on the show. - Oppo, do you understand? - I love Oppo. I won't talk to him for levittard. - Okay, thank you. I'll get you in the cellar in my relationship. - You're gonna get you in a cellar tomorrow, maybe. What are you, Tony? - Tony? - I'm more interested in your chipping. - Yes, well, I got it in the back of my, you told me to put the ball way back in the back of my stand. - Correct. - The hardest thing for me is getting the club up high enough so that when it makes contact, it actually gets under the ball and I don't just drill the ball, but I'm trying. But I have the posture of it, correct. And I, you know, sometimes it works. You know, I met a guy yesterday playing golf, David and somebody or other with a long name that began with an aide who said to me, so I think you were a friend of my former war partner, David Povitz. - Oh, wow. - I said, I lived three blocks away at some point. And he talked with great sponsors about his brother and then I told stories about your dad. - Right. - Oh, yeah. - Tony? - Tony, what do you think, Tony? - What do you think, you think LeBron could pull it off the first round? - No, stop, stop, Tony. - Tony, what do you think? - Two guys south, two guys four, 45 points. - Well, it would be like kind of a last dance and be amazing, wouldn't it? - Yeah, it would be a last dance. - I don't think it's a last chance. He's playing it 41, like 85% of the lead wish they could play at a 26. - Yeah. I don't understand. - Tony, he just, he goes to Switzerland. - Tony, I'm coming down there in a week or two. We'll go play. - Yeah, can't wait. I'll be there. - Goodbye. - Tony, I'll be there. - Bye. - Bye. That was the best moment of my entire life. It really makes up for your association with the war in Iraq, Mori. (laughing) - I'm glad with your planning, the fact that I'm a friend of George Bushes, and now the fact that you talk to Tony Cornizer on the phone, can we call Bush? - I'll be nice. I'll be respectful. - No, I have a lot of respect for the office. - No, I haven't talked to him in years. - Really? - No. - What happened, you had a falling out of Bush? - No, I did not. - This is the exclusive, this one. - No, he's busy on busy. - Really? - Yeah. - Did you like that? - It was so cool, my heart is racing. - Honestly, I mean. - But by the way, you are so right on about Larry David. - He is. He's the sports version of Larry David. - They're just small mausles. - I mean, you have no idea what he has to do to get on an airplane. - I mean. - He has to plan a week ahead. - I'll ask Pablo if we could put this in the episode. Pablo said he took the train up to go to Pablo's wedding. Took the assayla back. He was the main, the star of the wedding. Everyone was excited. I said, how bad was the present? He said, well, he didn't give me more presents. (laughing) - You don't get presents. - Of course, of course. - His showing up, his presence is the present. - His presence is the present. - Yeah. - Why did you get it so friendly with Pablo? - I met him at a game. I went to see Louis' first game against the nets with the Lakers. - Oh, you worked at the Barclays Center. - At the Barclays Center. - I lived by there. - I didn't know you lived in Brooklyn. - Yeah, I lived in Forkery. In Brooklyn, my address is (beep) Avenue apartment (beep) (laughing) - Yeah, you're really crazy. - You are? - Listen, have you been to my daughter's restaurant? - Yes, no. - What restaurant? - In Red Hook. - Which one? - Red Hook's Havard. - Red Hook, lobster pound. - That's your daughter's? - My daughter. - Yes, I have. Let's give it up. - By hometown barbecue. - Right next to it. - Is that right? - Yeah. - But I'm telling you, I kid her husband, Ralph, my daughter Susan and Ralph said, there are no good lobsters in Brooklyn. They went to Maine and used to truck down the lobsters every week. - Tell me about this Ralph. - Ralph Gorham is the best. - Oh yeah. - Sathy, baby. - Sathy. - You let one of those on your. - Absolutely. - That's your angel. - Sathy? - My southern law from Sathy. He's from the department. This gentleman. - Why do you. - Why do you. - Those streets, baby. - Yeah. - Vulture streets. - It's probably now. It's like luxury apartments at this point, if I had to guess. My southeast son-in-law, I love him. He's coming at dinner tonight. - Is he? Where are we going? - My house. - Okay. What are you making? - Tonight. We're having prime rib, baby. - Prime rib? You're making no. - No. - You have a guy with a chef's hat? - No. I'm getting married. My girlfriend. - Are you getting married? - Yeah, in September. She won't let me do prime rib carving sessions. - Why not? - I can't do anything. Because any idea of mine is bad. I don't even want to get started. - Why are you getting married if every idea is bad? - Oh, that is amazing. I can't believe her. What an idiot. She's going to be my friend forever? I can't believe it. - Why are you doing this? - It's so nice of her. - I mean, love her. She doesn't realize that. She doesn't wake up one day. - I'll say the same thing that my mother said to me when I used to bring girls back to the house. - Oh. - You know what she said? - And I'd say, "You know my mom, what do you think of this?" She said, "What do you think of this young lady?" And my mother would say, "I don't understand anybody who would go out with you." - That's the same thing. - Yeah. - I feel that way every time. - So there you go. I've never been intimate with a woman and not had in the back of my mind, "What is wrong with her?" - Her father. What is she doing to her family? What is this? She's an idiot. How long have you gone with her? - Six, you know, half years, since. - Oh wow. - It's when you're 20. - January 20th. - We dated off and on for like seven. - Yeah, yeah. Well, you guys were professionals at the time, and she was a star. I was Mr. Chung. Are you kidding me? - Oh, I know. Why didn't you take her net ever? Could you think it would have been cultural appropriation? - Everybody in New York, everybody on the upper west side thinks of me as Mr. Chung. - Really? - Yeah. - That's kind of cool. Someone gave me a different ethnic last name. I would wear it with pride. I want to take her last name as Italian. And I can't say it on that. - Yeah, that's right. - But it's a (beep) I think people would respect, can you remember what you were supposed to have? - Do you speak Italian? - Yeah, there you go. - No, of course not. - You're gonna try? - No, I have better things to do with my life. (laughs) - I've always heard to speak Italian, I couldn't speak a word. - Really? - Yeah. - Do you speak any languages? - Yeah, barely English. - Really? - Listen, you're being self-deprecating, I'm being self-deprecating. This is probably for my dad. - You're not self-deprecating. - I am. - You're miserable. I'm not miserable, no, no. - You sound miserable. - I do it to disarm, I guess. I think I'm the greatest guy in the world. It's my trick. You were in hard news before your talk show. - For a long time. - For a long time. - In fact, I used to, in the '70s, see, I know you went to Israel for a year, right? - Yeah. - And you got upset. - Got that, got that. - Okay, yeah, I continue. - Really? - No, I'm just kidding. - Yeah, you worked there for a year. - I worked on an ambulance and I studied, I took classes for a year before college, yeah. - So, yeah. - I haven't been there in 40 years, but after the '73 war, the Yom Kippur War. - Yeah, I went to, right where it's happening right now. Back then, it wasn't Hezbollah. It was the PLO, it was Yasir Arafat. - Yes. - All right. He looked like a ring-go-star a little bit, no? - Huh? - Yeah, they did, yeah. So, they were in southern Lebanon, just the same way Hezbollah is. - Yeah. - And they were having a war back and forth just the way they are now. So, I went to cover that for about a week or two. - Yeah, yeah. - And it never ends, yeah, yeah. - Just never ends. - Yeah, it's, it's really fucked up. - And what I don't understand, you know what, it really pisses me off, that there's a certain, like the Trumpsters, the Magas think that if you're, if you don't like the Israeli government, you're anti-Semitic. - Yeah, well, and a lot of people say that is absolutely shitty and wrong. - Yeah, it kind of devalues the term anti-Semitism, right? - Absolutely, yeah, yeah. - But more than that, it, it, people don't get it. People, you can be for a country and against their government. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. - And Netanyahu. - He's led the Trumpster right down the road. - Yeah, it's a real nightmare, isn't it? - Yeah, the whole situation, I don't know, yeah. It's really stressful. Do you think it's changed like anti-Semitism here in the last three years? - Well, first of all, it's changed the definition as to what it is. - Well, I feel like a lot of people don't like Jews, but because they see Judaism associated with like a brutality, maybe. - Yeah, and that's wrong, and that's wrong, yeah. - You blame the government, sure. - Yeah, it's kind of tough when you see a star of David flag and they're doing that, right? - Yeah. - I mean, it's, you know what I, I mean, I bleed for both. I bleed for Israel, and I bleed for those poor Palestinians. - Yeah, you know what the problem is, is the Israel, they started, they go to like, they have no, they go to the army, you know? Like, it's not our thing. Like, going to war has never been our thing. Hiding, hiding for the war. - What Jews? - Yeah. They are a thing for 1800 years, we hide for the war. - No, no, no. - We just, yeah, we just stand back there. We're like, is it over yet? - Come on. - Come on, we wrote a, we wrote a, there's a best-selling book about a, sorry, sorry, Mori, don't be mad at me. - I'm not mad at you. - There's a best-selling book about a Jew hiding from a war. They teach it in all the schools. Look, you hide from the Holocaust, right? I think we hid for a long time for the war. - But, but you're gonna try to tell me, they kind of were meek and cowardly when you take a look at the Warsaw ghetto and you take a look at all these other attempts? - I agree, what I'm saying is, if I told my mother I was going to Afghanistan when I graduated high school, she would have killed me first, right? We're not, we're not. Our thing is, is talk shows and romantic comedies (laughing) and folk albums, yeah. And making pictures. We did, and we've done phenomenal at that, right? - Come on. - What, no, and I'm not thinking. - You don't think they, do they say thank you? - You know, do they say thank you, not once? - You don't think there are any Jews in Seal Team Six? - Hopefully not. - Maybe? - Oh my god, I'm sure there are. I don't think, I bet. - Absolutely there are. - Wait, Thomas, look at that. Look up if there's a Jew in Seal Team Six. I guarantee you there are Jews in the Seals. - In the Seals? Maybe in the Intelligence. - Stop. - My, my, uh. - Stop being a stop promoting stereotype. - Wait, when you went to, when did you graduate high school? 1957. - Okay, you went to the, you were calling. - I was going, yeah, but I, I got kicked out of college. - Yeah. - And I went back and then I-- - Why did you get kicked out? - I didn't go to class. - What were you doing? - I was having fun. - Come there. - I went to an all boys high school. - So there were girls that, when you went to college. - Yeah, you went to university, you went to a good school. - Yeah, so, well old Trump went there too. - Yeah, I'd like to know how he got in, but that's-- - Probably from being very good at school. - He didn't start, he didn't start at Penn. - I think Benjamin Franklin started it. - Yeah, but Trump didn't start it. He started it at Fordham, I think. - Oh yeah, in the Bronx. - Yeah, and he transferred. - Anyway, that's not the point. - I'm just saying, we're lovers. - No, we're pissed at the point. - This is the point. - I got out of school and Kennedy's in, and there's a draft, all right? Now, I'm going to be drafted. - Yeah. - So I go from my pre-induction physical. - And you're like, hey, go to my pre-induction physical. - Oh my gosh, yeah. - Right, in 1962. - And in Washington, D.C. - And I'm scheduled to be drafted. And then nothing happens in June, nothing happens in July, nothing happens in August. I get married in August, and my wife, my then wife is pregnant in September, and I'm out of the draft, and I'm going, if everybody's been drafted, I wonder why wasn't I called? And then they told me-- - No Jews, they didn't like-- - They didn't like-- - Washington D.C., especially in Washington D.C. Because the federal government and the military was the first thing that blacks could good a good job. All of the quotas every single month were filled up by black enlistments. - Really? - And that's why I didn't get drafted. - 'Cause you were white. - No, I don't get it. I'm confused. So why didn't you get drafted? - Because all the blacks enlisted, filled up the call-- - Oh, they're listening. - They listened, 'cause it was a good job, and D.C. was a good job. - Okay, sorry. - And then my wife gets pregnant, and I'm out of the draft. - Yeah, you sound like a regular Jane Fonda to me. - No, I'm not. - Yes, you are. - I used to interview Jane Fonda right after she went to Hanoi. - She and pregnant someone, so she didn't have to go. She got-- nevermind. - Okay. I think you got it wrong. - I'm nervous, Mori. I'm nervous because I'm a big fan of yours. - So you have a million people on YouTube. This is pretty good. - Yeah, it's good. - In fact, my nephew-- - Can you imagine why? - My nephew's girlfriend, Lee Beth. As soon as she read the interview, she texted me, she said, "I can't believe that you and Adam Friedland got together." He's the best. - Yeah, we watch him all the time. - Really? - Yeah. - Oh, let's hope they think you. - Out of the blue, really. - Never heard from her before ever. - Maybe send it to Tony. Maybe send it to him. (laughing) - You really want Tony on your show, huh? - I just want-- - Never. - When I had Will Bonne and Tony on. - Yeah. - He would only be on audio. He wouldn't be on video. - We could get someone to play him and we'll do a like AI or something. Yeah, how bad was the gift? He didn't give me a gift. I mean, that's amazing. - It's morning. I'm getting ready for work. I must out the funnies, okay? Have a heal, okay? The ready to drink from he will saves me constantly. The complete meal that I can drink helps me stay consistent. 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Investment advisory services offered by stash investments LLC, SEC registered investment advisor. Investing involves risk. Getting back to you and your story and your career. You're a newsman. You're affiliate stations. Right. Everything. How many cities were you in? I started in Washington and then because of my father I said after a long time and I was very successful I said can I play elsewhere. So in the next seven years I worked in Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia and back to Washington. In fact to the point where Richard Reeves then the White House correspondent for the New York Times wrote this column in Esquire magazine he said "For the last four St. Paddy's days I have watched my friend, Mari Povitch, anchor the news in four different cities. He's trying to go nationwide city by city. That's how crazy my life was." So what were you doing to the Irish at these St. Patrick's days? They got you fired. You said so I had comments about the Irish. Do you have a list of people who have done you wrong? No. No. I don't like carrying anything because it's like what does it do for them? So if you don't like someone. In this nomadic seven-year career line I had a list of like five station managers or whatever that I said boy did you get them back ever? I hope they get theirs. So believe it or not every single one of them in subsequent years all got fired. And I instead of going I felt sorry for them. Yeah I'm like they're health insurance and they're kids you know. Sad to lose the job. I was really surprised that I felt sorry for them rather than hold the grudge. Well they were like Laurie's handsome he'll figure it out. They didn't think so. They didn't think your hands. No they didn't. One guy didn't think I was good anchor material and another guy didn't think that was there an anti-submissive thing? No. No. Okay. I don't think you could. I mean you can have it on your mind and anything else but guess what? Yeah. I don't think I ever in my lifetime experienced that in the business. I don't really think I have experienced it in a real way. Are you getting all the Jewish comics? Oh in the business no because we started the business. Yeah. I got a call after October 7th from my ages and he's like how are you? And I'm like my career and he's like no with the impending eradication of our people. Pablo just got a call. Huh? We have to follow up. You want to call Pablo? Pablo just got a call from Tony. Let's see what's going on. If you ruin my relationship with Tony Coyne I will. I will. I will. I will make sure that and within a year you'll have about 3,000 YouTube viewers. What are you going to do? You're going to get bush? You're going to get bush to invade me. Pablo why are you picking up? So okay. Pablo. Pablo. Pablo. Why do you say high? I'm telling you right now Pablo if this if these last 10 minutes have destroyed my relationship with Tony Corniser. I will. I look. Marie. How do I? He's not happy? No I mean he just calls me up and he immediately says who is this Adam Friedman? So what did you say? And then I become your agent. So what did you say? He's very popular with young people. I've kind of like appealed to Corniser and how we think of things. I'm like thank you. Young people love him. They say he's a millennial job steward. He's a super fan. I love him. I said that. I told him I'm going to get the assela for him tomorrow. Pablo. Pablo. I mean this is where you know you. I mean more yet I know. I mean more is way more successful at this than me. No I wouldn't say that. He's a star. No. Well the level of like being supernova but also like getting him to getting Corniser to do anything. Well because because more he's like a scratch golfer. He's amazing. Pablo. Did you tell Adam about how we toast how we dusted Nick Cannon on playing spades? We got to hear this. What's up? We went on Nick Cannon's we playing spades podcast and we dusted him in his colorated. Really? And Pablo. You know Nick Cannon has some thoughts about the Jewish. You know? I think there's still more. - There's doctors. - There's Jewish. - Doctor and Dr. Sebi? - No. (laughing) - Yeah. - That stuff. - Pablo, I talked to Tony and it felt like flying. - I was gonna say, what I told him was, by merely being irate on the phone with Mori about Adam, you made Adam's day. - Yeah, you made Adam's day. - Yeah, and I meet people all the time for the show and I'm sick in the head, I'm delusional. Like I'm not nervous around anyone. It's the first time I've been nervous since I saw Dice at the stand. - You saw Andrew Dice play? - I get nervous for the most random people. - Yeah. - I don't know him. - What's he like? - What's he like? He is, his actor as a guy. - Person. As a guy, I think he's just a Jewish guy. I think it's a character. But his act is as if the last 40 years of culture has never happened. He had a chunk on Katelyn Jenner, that was whoo. That was-- (laughs) You're with the sexy girl. You reached out in the front of her pants. There's a fucking tree trunk key. I think that was one of the lines. It was really, it was a blast from the past. It was-- - You should tell Kornajar this. You should say that there are two people who made me feel this way. One is you, the other is, I mean, you should do your impression of Andrew Dice Clayton. - Yeah, yeah. (laughs) - Yeah, the other one was Jada Kiss. - Pablo. - Pablo. - This is important, Pablo. - Yes. - Where are you with the NBA? Are you still persona non-grata? - Uh, I may or may not be tale that various arenas-- - Are they listening? - They might be, honestly, depending on the, I don't know what level of Israeli spyware has been installed on my phone or by which owner, but it's non-zero chance that they're also listening to us right now. - Well, Pablo, you told me that you think this Iran thing is going for you. Awesome. (laughs) - I said, with the straight is under control. The straight of Hormuz is famously under control. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I saw Dice performing. He's like, I was with this chick in the straight. The straight of Hormuz was closed. Yeah, no, I tried something there. We're gonna cut that. - We're gonna cut that, dude. - You're gonna cut that, and the straight of Hormuz was closed. - Pablo, I've been on here an hour, and I guarantee you 30 minutes of it has been cut. - I'm gonna say it's more aware of how, is more aware of how predatory your edit's gonna be on this. - We haven't even talked about the talk show yet. We haven't even said the term, not the father yet. We're just, with this is just the chemistry between me and this gentleman, this legend of-- - Let me say this, I'm so jealous that you guys are hanging out without me. - You wanna come over, we'll keep going for another, I don't know if you do say an hour, man. - Yeah, we'll keep going for a couple more hours and I'll drop it. - All right, you wanna get Tony Riali, maybe, Woody Page? - By the way, I love Woody Page. - I love Woody Page. - Okay. - Mari, I miss you, man, and I do wanna just reiterate that it was a transcendent moment of my life when we once again destroyed a cannon. - You're such a suck up, you're such a suck up? - No, I won't. - I won't. - And by the way, I got the greatest comments from people. - So are you guys of mentors? - You know what the greatest comment was that I saw underneath the podcast, you know, when they put comments? You know what the greatest comment I wear it as an honor? - Was it, oh no. - What comment was, he's welcome at the cookout. - Oh really? - Yep. - Yeah, more that leads me to my next question. So you famously got the hood pass, is that correct? You met with the council of elders. - I, I, there are people that call me white chocolate. - Pablo, we gotta go finish this. It's the best day of my life. - I cannot, I cannot be happier that you're living your make-a-wish dream today. - Well, I am dying, that is true. I meant to tell you, who told you that I'm dying? The Mossad? They know everything. All right, bye, Pao. - Thanks Pao. - Love you, bye. - Love you, bye. - Wait, I really wanna get into you and your show. - Yeah. - Because that era of media, like I said, your parents are at work, you're sick. You know, you can watch TV all the time. - By the way, did you ever have to fake it? Usually a lady never tells, right? - No, but this is what? - What? - Because I ask people of that, because oh, I stayed home, I pretended I was sick. I said, how did you, how did you convince your parents that you were sick? They said, they took that thermometer and held it up to a light bulb. - Oh, yeah, yeah, or like under, yeah. They like, you put a coin in your mouth, like a penny in your mouth, it'll get hot, I don't fucking- No, I mean, I would fake, yeah, not wanting to go to school, school sucks. TV is awesome, teachers give too much homework, we all know this. - I was terrible in the school, just terrible. - You got into pen, you know what I mean? - Back in the days, anybody could get in anywhere. - Really? - Yeah, really. - In 1957, come on. - Really? - Yeah, I mean, Jesus. - You know, Caleb was part of it. - I didn't get into Yale, though, that's where I wanted to go. - Well, they didn't let us, right? We had a brother who was at Yale. - Oh, he was the first Jew? - No, he was not. - Yeah, I heard that it was, you know? - Yeah, yeah. Your brother was in skull caps and- - No, he wasn't in bones. I'm trying to think of the Jewish skull in bones. - Skull caps and, come on. - He was in a fraternity called St. Elmo. - Skull caps and bones. Skull skull and bones. - Yeah, yeah. What goes on there? Can we call it? - We have no idea. - Let's call it a draw. - George won't give it up. - I heard what it is is that it's just lame. They're just like doing debates, like from people from history. They're doing like Lincoln Douglas. - Don't care. - Yeah, yeah. Anyway. - So you're there as a kid. - So I'm there as a kid. - Price is right, Jerry. - Price is right is the beginning of the- - How about Ricky Blake? I think Jenny Jones was later in the day. - Jenny Jones changed everything. - She changed everything and then of course- - Because of the murder. - We'll get there, okay? This was an area of media that was like so thrilling 'cause I was TV generation. I think television is kind of now it's all streaming and stuff like it's, you know, like- - Your generation is pass A. - And Mike Jones is pass A pass A. - Yeah. There's a point of, like when people talk about millennials and like when Bill Maher talks about millennials, like in his act, I think he thinks they're like 19 years old. Like we're 45 years old now. We're elders, you know, but I was raised on television and there's something about you and Jerry that I just loved, which was that they were just these like- They're these, for me, obviously I got to stop talking about it, but they're these Jewish guys that were just controlling this chaos. And it was so fun. - They were controlling. - You were, no, you were hosting a show. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But we're not controlling. - I wasn't saying you were creating the chaos. You were, no, but there were, I mean, there were a lot of non-Jews, okay? I mean, you had Haraldo, you had Phil Donahue. - Here's Jewish, Haraldo's Jewish. - Half Jewish. Phil Donahue, Phil Donahue, Oprah, Jenny Jones. - Oprah's Jewish. - No, she's not. - She is. - Who do you think the meat is? - She is not. I mean. - Come on. - But there was something about it where, like I- - Montel, Sally Jessie. - Yeah. - There were two Jews, me and Jerry. That was it. - Yeah. - At a 20. - Montel was a stage then. You think John's, Leibowitz is, John Stewart, was John Leibowitz. Montel Jordan was- - I love John Stewart. - Do you? - Montel Jordan was- - Do you like John Stewart? - Yeah, I mean, like that was the same era. Like I would watch, like when I was in high school, when I was hated the Iraq war and stuff. I would see comedians on television that were making jokes about it. And I remember when Colbert did the correspondence dinner when your boy's approval, his numbers were like, rough, it was right at the end. - I guess what? - Yeah. He went. - He went. He went every year and he took the, he took the, he took the, he took the skewing. - Yeah. And if you remember actually Trump decided to run the night that Obama was roasting- - He believed that. - That's what they say. - I know. - What do I believe? - I don't know. - No? - What's the truth? - Tell us the truth. - I don't know the truth. - You know all the secrets. - No, but I've seen that written that that's when Trump said I'm gonna get back at this guy I'm gonna run. - I mean. - Anyway, so what I'm saying is. - So it's the golden age of daytime talk. - Right. - There were some things. - We had 20 shows on the air. - Right, there was something that was like so funny for me as like a, as like a schmucky kid, right? There was something like so humorous about like, about the chaos of all of it. But I suppose like, when did you realize like, what was your first hit like for the show? Did the show start off differently? 'Cause the show started off just like every other team talk show. - Yeah, I would do, for instance. I went to do a week in, in Waco, Texas for the branch Davidians and things that were happening down there. - Yeah. - FBI went and killed everybody. - Yeah. And so then I did a week in Nashville for country music. I mean it was a, we did secret crushes, you know, boy, boyfriend, girlfriend, secret crushes, that kind of thing. - Well, that's right. - The Jenny Jones, that was the murder, right? It was a guy that said he had a crush on his friend. - And so then, you know, seven, eight years in, Ricky Lake got very popular. And so Ricky Lake was a little edgy 'cause she had a lot of young people on and they were talking about stuff. - Yeah. - And then all of a sudden my producer comes up with these three themes, paternity, lie detector tests out of control teenagers. - Yeah. - And that just shot me to the moon. - Yeah. - The boot camps, and the scared straight things. It was funny when the kids knew about the Larry David thing. Did I ever tell you that? - That's one of my favorite episodes of "Curb." The car salesman episode. - No. - Where he's watching your show. - Right, right. - Yeah, you don't know me. - Yeah. - When he calls me up, right? He says, "It's the Larry David." - Hung up on him. I said, "That's a prank." Calls back up. He says, "I need a clip of your show for the first episode of the series we're doing." - It's such a good episode too. - And so he's in a hotel room. Cheryl Hines' wife is now, they're looking for houses. He's lying in bed. He won't get out of bed. - Well, he does have a job at the time too. - No, right. - We're going to look at houses and he's watching my show on you. - Yeah. - And you don't know me. - And the teenagers are coming down, and the audience are booing him and they're going, "You don't know me. You don't know me. You don't know me." And so Cheryl Hines says, "You got to get out of bed. You got to get out of bed." And he goes, "You don't know me. You don't know me." - You saw the audience wake up. Is that kind of like a, was that a phenomenon that you would notice? - When you start getting booze and yays from an audience, from a live audience, and you're not encouraging it, you've got a winner. - So, and you were like the moral center of the show. When someone was hurt, famously people would, after a paternity test, they would run off. Did you ever have a camera guy just get fucked? Like, just fuck it, like, just eat shit. Right, 'cause they would, those people were running, and the camera guy was just, I imagine, like, that guy is, it's great. - Did you get him from like a, like, war zone, journalism? - They were great. The camera people were great. - And so, and I would comfort the guest. - Yeah. - Because she found out that he wasn't the father when he thought he was the father. - Did you want to be partying with the guy sometimes? And you're like, "Oh, God, I got to be with this lady. This crying lady." 'Cause this guy's doing backflips. He's break-dancing. - Yeah. - That guy's a few, you did it for a little bit more. - We had guys who could be-- - Gymnists in the Olympics. - Oh my God, you had so many backflips on that show. And Jisperger was, of course, more about fights. They were, they're great. - The great thing-- - The great fights, did you guys have on the show? - Not much. - Not much. - But here's, Jerry-- - Oh, look, I knew. Jerry and I started the same year in 1991. So, Jerry and I were friends forever. And he gave me the best compliment anybody could give me. 'Cause everybody was talking about his show and my show. And he said, "Here's the difference. "Mari's show is the real deal. "My show is wrestling." - Yeah. Which means that a lot of it was scripted, maybe, yeah. - Did you ever find out someone was on the show that was a fake or a fraud? - Never got that far. They might have gotten to the, they might have, they might have gotten to the event. And we found out that this is all bullshit. - Yeah. I remember there was a paternity test where it was twins. - Yes. - And the guy was the father of one of them, but not the other. - That's real, that was a fraternal twins. - It's two different, there's identical twins. - Which means you look alike. - Yeah. - All right. - The paternal twins. - Yeah, but it's the same dad, right? - For the most part, there's a million to one shot that it might not be. - Medically. - Wow. - Because. - Running the lady is a little active at a certain period of the month. - Wow. Wow, I had no idea. - Yeah. - Where are their moments where, I guess like the Jenny Jones things happened. - Changed everything. - Okay, what did that change? So, another talk show host, just for the audience, you could explain what Jenny Jones had these people on, and one guy surprised him because he wanted to be, he was gay and he wanted to be with this other guy, and so I have a crush on you. - Secret crush, yeah. - Secret crush, so embarrassing. - Yeah. - That after the show later on, I don't know how many days later, one guy was killed by the other guy. And that changed the whole outlook for how we did shows. - Yeah. - We had legal teams now. We had psychologists that we had counselors at the show every day to make sure that everybody was treated well. They end up with a legal, like six pages of, this will happen, this will happen, this might happen, this might happen, you will not be surprised, this could possibly, whatever, waivers, yeah. And they had to sign it, so they were never surprised by something like that. - Content-wise, did it shift the content? - No. - It was just there were more protection. - Right, yeah. Was there ever a time where a producer pitched you on something and you were like, this is taking it too far? Or like, first of all, I never liked to do shows on race. - Yeah. We're all now gotten a very big problem one time when he did a big racial show and huge fight broke out and he broke his nose. - Yeah. - During the May-Lay. - Jerry had a KKK guy on it. - Yeah, Jerry took it to him. - I didn't like that. - I didn't like, you know something, here's the thing Adam, when I grew up. There were three things you never talked about publicly. Three things. I grew up in a house where there's a certain amount of gentility. You didn't talk religion. That was personal. - When do your parents tell you you were Jewish? - Probably, probably at my brisk. (laughing) I never talk publicly about religion. Don't talk about my politics. - Yeah. - And I don't talk about money. - Yeah. - And we grew up that way. That's how we grew up, not now. - Right. - Everything is on the table now. - Yeah. - I mean, my generation is just passé. I mean, we're bygones, terrible, a different era. I mean, I grew up, you know, Franklin Roosevelt was president of the United States. First time I ever saw my mother cry, was it his, when I was six years old when he died. - Yeah. So you, that was, it was the war too. - Right. - Yeah. And you were six. - I gave bond speeches at the age of four. - Wow. Wait, for like to raise war bonds. - Yeah, yeah. - How do you use ships? We need guns, we need planes. - Really? - Yeah. - Why, 'cause you were cute or something? - Yes. - Yeah. - Wow. - There's a eight millimeter film of me doing that. You've been, you were, I, let's just go back again and we'll get back to the talk show. You've met every president. You said, or bit of the Oval Office for every president. - I've been in the Oval Office. - Not Trump, I've been to his office. - Okay, I hear it's great. - Yeah. - The worst. - I, well, I don't know, you haven't seen it yet. - Why do you judge? - Pictures of the gold. I saw the gold. - Yeah, but the pictures might, don't do it just now. - No, yeah, the pictures you're right. It's probably worse. - I don't know, I, I'm not, I mean, I don't, you know, I don't like to talk about him as a president, but I can tell you right now, that golden at Oval Office just drives me nuts. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It's, I mean, he's from Queens, right? - Yeah, when he was, it was gold in his office. - It's a real estate trial logo, I mean. - Yeah, it's a real estate. - It's a real estate. - Or, I mean, you know, on the record, yes. - Yeah. - No, I've never been, have you? - No. - What is it, a place, it's his house where people go and have dinner with him? - It's a club. - It's a club, but he lives there. - He lives there. - And no one else does. - I think there are some other houses on the property. - It's kind of cool to have like your house and then everyone wants to come chill with you. - And they have to pay to come chill with you. - And he took the Rose Garden and made that like, patio. - Really? - Yeah. - I mean, it's cement patio. - That Rose Garden was so pretty. - It's a real estate chisred from Jamaica, a state's queen, so what do you expect? It's shame on us, I think, if anything. But going back to it, like what president, so you met Nixon, you met Ford, you met Carter? - I don't know, yeah, I met Nixon and I met Ford. - Yeah. - Carter, I met Carter, believe it or not, I was doing a local talk show. - Paternities test. - No, and the day that he was going to announce her president, he came on my local show. - Really? Yeah, he's a very nice man from what I ended up. He was okay. Yeah. Yeah, well, I'd say who made the biggest impression on you Out of all these words who was a friend George is a friend, but I mean like just seeing them well You know that feeling that you got right now talking to Tony Yeah, so I'm covering Kennedy for the first time. Yeah, I got that feeling. Yeah Did it it felt like your generation? It felt like a younger guy. Oh my god. Yeah, yeah I mean, I mean think about it. I had I Had Roosevelt. I had Truman and I had eyes in hell. I yeah, these are old guys. Yeah Yeah, now 42 or three year old. Are you kidding me? I'm 24 or five. Yeah I mean, how does a journalist that feels a certain way about their subject like you come from a different era, right now Now there's a there was a wall. There's a wall. Obviously Walter Cronkite had his own opinions, sure, but it wasn't presented Like no and the reason why the Vietnam War was a loser was when he all of a sudden for the first time does this huge five-minute Yeah exploration of how We're losing the war. Yeah, never ever have done that before. Yeah, one of the problems. I think with The digital areas. There's there's a blurring of lines like you remember when there were three networks, right sure There were three there are three you like you see NBC CBS. There are three prime time anchors that's it and Nowadays there's people get their news from you know like some guy in the library news from you Yeah, and I try I genuinely this is on a sincere note I try not to present myself from a position of authority when it comes to things that I I'm not on my podcast this week. Okay, yeah, my podcast this week on par with maripo, which thank you very much Give it up. Give it up. All right, so joy read is my guest tonight. All right, uh-huh and I challenged her a little bit about Are you a journalist or aren't you a journalist and she says she describes herself and I think that's legit She calls herself an opinion journalist. Yeah, is that okay? An opinionist. Yeah, yeah, but but she calls herself a journalist because she thinks her opinion is based on fact But everything is opinion, right like these days and these days definitely. Yeah Do you think Do you consider this to be bad for society? Or do you think that journalist journalism being democratized is is a good thing? My problem is There is a truth, right, right? And I think it's all getting blurred I think there's a lot of fog around the truth and it's very difficult to find it. Yeah, that's my problem Yeah Did did you ever encounter si Hirsch? Yes, yeah, you used to come on my talk show in Washington. Yeah Now now Si Hirsch. I just read his his memoir. Yeah, it was great. He broke a lot of stories. Yeah, yeah But he lie was the best probably the most important Incredible and the post had to stand like up alongside the the New York Times, right, you know against And they went to the Supreme Court. Is there a Supreme Court? Yeah, Pentagon papers the Pentagon. Yeah, Ellsberg I interviewed him too Daniel Ellsberg. Yeah, is he still alive? I don't know. I don't know. This is like two Jews having a sandwich. I think maybe I think he died recently I think he did die recently. Yeah wait, so so going back I read Si Hirsch's book and it just The the budgets like your father's sports division right was just shut down if I'm not correct if I'm not missing him very upset the the budgets That's terrible news. Not not only the sports page was shut down The Metro section the local news section was closed down. Can you imagine that? Is that not being a thing anymore? Is us not getting our news in a controlled that's the problem way anymore? First of all Why would any newspaper have a sports section? If we're inundated 24 hours with all the results Yeah, and all the various it is stupid how that's yeah and things like that where you can get it instantly Yeah When you were a kid getting ready for school It must be different because your dad was the head of the sports page right But like did you like have your cereal and then open up the sports page like you're like you're an adult Yeah, I used to do that too and you know when my father died there were more comments from people who said we learned to read With your father's column. Yeah, I think I had batting averages like memorize sure. Yeah, like it's uh, I remember one time so my father One time I'm a kid and he's uh in the dugout interviewing the Hall of Fame managers Casey Stangle of the New York Yankees Yes, Casey Stangle used to meander all over the place. He used to use dangling part of cypals misplace modifiers You never knew what was going to come out of himself. Right. He was a lot more My father's interviewing him the next day the 800 word column was in quote 800 words later out quote Who we got who we on spam. Thank you. Listen, let's just let's just know we're not pick it up. No, we're not doing that. Why not? No, no I'm in a middle of a story. No, but I'll but yeah, I'll I'll say shame on you Hello, hello No good. Yes, we would like to sign up. Okay So anyway, the column the next morning 800 words Starts finish nothing, but Casey Stangle talking yeah I said to him. I said dad. I sat next to you While you you interviewed Casey Stangle. Uh-huh. He didn't say half of that He didn't say half of the things that you printed. He says he should have Wait, wait, wait, so you're gonna get a dramatic license. I mean, you get a license. When you want to have fun, you can have fun. Yeah Um, so make you a transition from hard news to talk shows. Yeah Um, like what Was there did you ever miss it? You know, did you ever like I missed I missed covering the events. Yeah You know, I I mean even in president has been shot. Yeah, like yeah, I would have you covered The Kennedy's association. I covered. I was at Andrews Air Force Base when that plane came home And I was there when the Jackie Kennedy came off that plane with the blood on the suit. Yeah, on a prank suit And the coffin coming out the back wow now I mean even when I was doing a current affair this crazy show I'm there at the fall of the Berlin Wall on other words. I went places and things that was great Since the talk show I'm covered any of this stuff and yeah, I'm I miss the event. Yeah, it would have been nice to cover your January six Would have been great. Would have been great. Yeah. Oh, I would have loved that. Yeah. It is kind of the craziest thing I've ever seen my entire life Yeah, probably your generation. Yeah, I don't know. I was glad to know that. I don't think they're mine. I was working in San Francisco That's my Omaha Beach I think. Yeah, January six. Yeah, it's washing across the Delaware. Yeah That's what that's what we got. That's my Berlin wall. Yeah Yeah, um So yeah, I guess like um, but the interesting thing about you is your your wife Connie Chung was was doing that throughout At all. Yeah, doing it all. Yeah, and breaking barriers. Yeah, and so, you know, um What did she like uh Yeah, what does it like to be with a woman that's just so much more impressive and beautiful? Can I ask that question again? I thought it was gonna be a laugh. No, I thought we were gonna be busting balls What's it like to be with such an impressive, incredible person? I love it. Yeah. How it'd be if uh, you know You uh were they're all our better halves. Yeah, mine is better. Yeah, I mean you want to talk to her? Should we call him? No, we're not talking to her. Okay Um, I'm talking to her. So yeah, you guys Yeah You've talked to my to mine or enough. You want me to talk to you? Did he say he talked to mine enough? Yeah, like That would have been good. You want to run that again? Can we call my girlfriend? No, no, no, no, no, you're supposed to say no. I talked to her enough Mori, okay, we'll do it a good time for the top. Okay, let's get an edit point. Yeah Uh, what you might, you know, there are better halves, you know my These women I can let me run that again. Um, okay, fourth take four Uh, can we call my girlfriend? No - I talked to her about it. [laughter] Wait. -Oh, boy. -Oh, boy. -What do you say? -There's your girlfriend. -What do you say? -Are your girlfriend much younger than you? -Army? -Arman? -There's your girlfriend much younger than you. -Yeah, she's-- -You're 39, man. -She's 14 and a half. [laughter] It's called grooming. -No, yeah. She's 29, yeah. -Do you like that difference, you like the decade difference? -It's not an aspect of the preference. I don't think I've ever-- when we first started dating, dated someone, I think most of my girlfriends were two years younger. I think maturity-wise, she-- -She's got a woman to work. -I'm the young. -Yeah, yeah, I'm the baby. -I'm just seeing you. -I'm the baby. I'm a baby. Yeah. I hurt myself all the time, just walking in my apartment. And she said, she says, "I have no sympathy for you." -I hope she's a neat freak, because I saw your-- -No, Thomas. -I saw your backstage life. -I know. It's an embarrassment right now. -I mean, is she a neat freak? Because she better be. -She has filled my life with beautiful flowers. We'll say that. -She's our apartment is stunning. She's lovely. I have no say in-- -Is she in the business? -No, she's a designer, like architectural design. -Architectural design. -Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's serious. -She's getting her master's designer. -I was a fashion designer, I would say, forget that. -Why? -Architecture is really good. -Why forget a fashion designer? -Well, because it won't work with you. Look at you. -Oh, pretty good. -You have a six-decade career in something. -That's terrible. -That's amazing. -Yeah, but maybe it goes my father. Worked 75 years. He died the day after he wrote his last-- -Oh, the fuck old, was he? -He wrote his last article about what? -You know what he wrote it about? -It's amazing. -About a bowl of hard-kid. -No, he wrote it about all of a sudden. He was questioning Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa hitting all these home runs. -And then they killed him. They killed him. And then the next day, because he was trying to tell them Ruth is the ultimate slug, or not these two. -Uh-huh. -And he was suspicious. He didn't know about steroids, but he was suspicious. -He's actually suspicious. -Yeah, wow. -Because he couldn't understand how they were hitting all these three home run games. -Uh-huh. -And so he said, especially since McGuire was saying he was taking nutrition shakes to do it. -And so he died the next day. -It's why he filed that in the-- -Filed that. -In the post. -Is O'Bitt, and his last column rent, side-by-side, front page of the watch. -So he's 96? -Two. -92. -He started at 17. -He started at 17 in the newspaper. -He was a caddy in Bar Harbor, Maine. -Oh, I thought I would have assumed like an X-Tree, X-Tree, read all about it, like one of those kids. -No, no, no, no, no, he wasn't like that. -What do you see as having changed in news and media? -Where do you see it? Like as someone that can document it over so many areas. -The definition of news no longer exists. -In my mind. -Yeah. -Doesn't exist. -Yeah. -Every single column that I-- if you picked up a newspaper, every single story you read, you believed. -Yeah. You think even in the times, you think that's been undermined. -I think it's been undermined because placement of stories, how big they were and the headlines. And I think that if it's not opinion, analysis, has seeped into the coverage of news. -In the U.K., they have the BBC, right? Which is publicly funded, but independent, right? -Which we thought NPR might be. -Yeah, well, that's what we thought. -Voice of America might be. Which is gone. Which we thought PBS was. -Yeah. Do you think that if we had a robust, publicly funded news agency that their incentive wasn't profit-driven? Their incentive was just to fulfill a congressional order. Or do you think that that would be preferable? Like, if we had one source, that would absolutely determine that it was independent of government, yes. -Yeah. Yeah. I can't think of any other way to do it, you know? -No. -Yeah. -I mean, you can't. -Yeah. -I, uh. -Yeah, I mean, I think maybe the best -- the best kind of journalism today is nonprofit journalism. -Yeah. -Well, one day, we're going to get into the black here. And then I'm going to sell out. But right now, you're in the red. -With a half a million YouTube viewers. -You know, I owe a lot of money around town more. -I don't think so, I do. -And I wanted to talk to Cornhyzer about an opportunity for him. -Oh, ho, ho, ho. -What is the craziest name you heard of a guest on "Mory?" -You ever heard of Josh Johnson? -Oh, the comic, yeah. -Josh used -- I -- another reason why I'm honored. Josh used me in a bit one time. -What is it? -He said that the black community owes me a thank you. -Wow, how's that feel? -Because "Mory" Povic has never mispronounced a black name. -Is that true? -It's true. -Because I always -- -You had some tough ones on that show. -Oh, ho. -Lepiphany, we wrote down. -Yeah. -Josh would say, "I can't believe it. I see the baby's name on that day." And there's a "two" in that baby's name. And the next thing he knows, a full chest. "Mory" says in the case of "baby to Wayne." [ Laughter ] -So, I'm honored that Josh did that for me. -That has to feel amazing. -You like him? -Oh, yeah. He's one of the daily -- -Yeah, yeah. -Of course, but yeah, he's fun again. -You know what? It's very interesting about his comedy because I've watched him. He can go two minutes and not get a laugh, building a story. -Wow. -And yet, I was with Mark Norman the other day. -Yeah. -He needs it every 15 seconds. He needs a laugh. -Oh, yeah. -He's a machine. -He needs a laugh. -He needs a machine. -He needs a laugh. -Yeah, yeah. -And how about you? -Guys, you want to tell him? -5 minutes. -5 minutes before a laugh. -That's even more impressive than Josh, at the two. -You can do that. I can go. -People didn't walk out. -I can go 45 minutes without a single laugh. -And you call yourself a comic. -Why aren't you just -- I mean, you could be Mark Twain by then. -Mark Twain was the original comic. -Yeah. -That's what -- Honestly, I totally -- he's on the show next week. -And he made a lot more money than -- -Mark Twain was broke. -He was broke because of his investments. -Yeah, yeah. He was terrible. -Not because of his -- he made a lot of money on stage. -Yeah. -Oh, my gosh. Somebody's texting me. -Well, I think it's been a phenomenal -- -Oh, my gosh. -Hi. -Let's hear it. -I ordered your stuff for your colonoscopy. [ Applause ] -My best friend. My best friend. [ Cheers and applause ] ♪♪