Matt Damon

(upbeat music) Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Good Hang. I'm very, very excited about our guest today. It is a superstar and that star is Matt Damon. Matt Damon is joining us, Boston's own, so good at so many things, such a professional. And in the peak of his career, in a huge movie. And we're gonna talk about a lot of things today. We're gonna talk about long lasting professional relationships and how important they are. We're gonna talk about hating pranks, but loving a little bit of reality TV. We're gonna talk about shooting in caves and working with giant puppets. And we're gonna talk about the Odyssey, the new film that is out, the giant new film by Christopher Nolan, that he is the star of he plays Odysseus, he's on the journey, babe. But before we get to talking to Matt, we are gonna talk to somebody who knows our guest, who wants to speak well behind their back and give me a question, ask them. And we have a great get. We've got a little indie filmmaker named Christopher Nolan. He is on the rise, keep an eye out for this kid. He's doing great work. And Chris Nolan is joining us. And we are very, very excited to talk to him. And let's see if we can get him on the Zoom. (upbeat music) This episode is presented by Allstate. Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance. Not checking how long that recipe takes before you start cooking. Well, that's how you learn that simmer for four hours is buried halfway down the page. Yeah, checking first is a good idea. So check Allstate first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary, subjects to terms, conditions and availability, Allstate North American Insurance Company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. ♪ Get up, buddy ♪ ♪ Say ♪ ♪ All I ever want is a really good hey ♪ How you doing? Hi Chris, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Are you pouring some tea? I am. Are there anything without tea? I also am a excessive tea drinker. What's your brand? El Gray. Oh, I see. I enjoy a black tea who makes your Earl Gray. I like Twinings. I see. Have you heard of berries tea? Yeah. But you don't like? I would say that. I wouldn't have done opposite the Irish contingent. No. But every country, every nation has their own particular blend. Twinings works for me. Well, thanks for talking today. I'm very, very excited to talk to Matt. Congratulations on another incredible film. Thank you. How do you compete with the imagination of people who have read and studied the Odyssey? I mean, it's like you're competing with the idea of the Odyssey in a way. I mean, you can't. And I learned this. You know, we all learn this who worked on the Dark Knight trilogy. You couldn't compete with people's idea of that amazing character at the time, 75 years of history behind it. This is 3,000 years. People imagine it. You can't compete with it. What we realized. A dressing character of Batman. And I brought that very much to the, the Odyssey is. You have to trust that what people want from you is you almost. Sincere attempt to do. Justice the material to do it with a seriousness and with an appreciation of the original text. But it has to be your own interpretation. Certainly I as a film girl respond to that and other people. If I go see a movie and I realize that people have loved this and have really tried to give you an experience and try to put something across in the way that they really believe is great. I think people cut you a lot of slack for that. Because yes, you cannot compete with people's own imaginings when they read it text. If we are to care that Odysseus makes it home. We need to care about the person trying to make it home. We need to just feel like they even care about home. And there's something about Matt as just an actor I think that's innate in him and able to express that. What made you cast him in this film? Well, you know, I've gone to 9 or 10 other people by the time I got that. No, the truth is I actually don't think about actors when I'm writing. I try not to. I try to really just leave it. I try not to. I try to really just just live through the characters in the righty process it. Then come out the other side and go, OK, how is this going to work? Who we're getting for this? And Matt really immediately popped into my head because you're looking for this. What you're talking about, that kind of empathetic ability to draw the audience into a character's dilemma. And he has that openness. He brings the audience with him, but he also can project an iconic, frankly, superhero presence. I mean, he's, you know, he's the guy from the Marsha, or we bought a zoo and then a goodwill hunting. And then he's Jason born. And to be able to do such disparate things instead of fuse them into a character was exactly what I needed. Also work with Matt twice before. And I knew that the way we wanted to take the sun and that was really important to us in making it honestly was to try and get out there and find a way to bring the audience with us, put the audience up to take a vicious shit and climb mountains and go into the psychops cave with him. So, you know, I needed a partner. I needed somebody who wouldn't leave from the front and just dive in and do all this crazy stuff without complaining about it. And he's just, he's in such a wonderful place in his life of career. He really appreciates what he gets to do. He understands how good he is at it. I think, you know, in a really comfortable way and a really great way. And he just leads from the front. He gets everybody inspired with him. And I think without that, you know, we would have crashed and burned horribly. From a practical point of view. You can't have an Odysseus complaining that it's cold or it's late or I mean, you put him through the ringer. Put him through the ringer and what's fun about working with Matt is, you know, he's a great writer himself. You can have really, really specific and detailed conversations about script and about how we're going about things. But he also doesn't, he doesn't talk for the sake of it, you know, he doesn't want to just use his sounding more than he is. There is other ideas about the character. He sort of goes off and figures out who he is. And then, you know, bring this out to the floor, which is really fun to do. Well, he has to go rest because he has to work out a thousand, do like five thousand sit ups a day. Because you're insisting on making this. Let's face it, middle aged man. Yeah, he's exactly the right place in his, his time of life and everything to do it. And I actually had a, had a, had a moment with him in his first wardrobe fitting this. We'd be fitting all of the supporting cast, all the guys who play his crew and some younger actors and everything. And they'd all come in and they've all got tattoos, which is a nightmare for a period film. It means hours and shakers. You have to cover all that up. Yeah. And then put the cast you might on and then wringing and wind and you're a costual rubber to weigh it. And I, you know, I thought, okay, we're here. He's about, you know, he takes a shot off the fitting and he's got a fucking tattoo and I was like, not you as well. I what? And it was, you know, very small, tasteful tattoo, you know, never his children or that. And he said to me, well, I thought it would be perfectly honest. I thought my bare bicep days were over. And I said, okay, fair enough. The truth is, I think they're just beginning, but, you know, so yeah, little extra time in the chair. Do you have to physically train to get ready for a film too? I mean, it is exhausting to be directing you. Like, do you do? Do you physically train when you're getting ready to go on set? No, I don't. But no, it's actually kind of a natural process of it because what happens before you shoot the film on a film like this is you start jumping on planes and getting in vans and driving on over the place. And you, you go off to scoundrel to find these places. And you do that we might design it just the two of us, we go off and gradually we add people to that group and we make multiple trips, but we cover 1000 hours a mile and we're just constantly climbing up hills and, you know, that and the first couple trips are bad, you know, I'm like, well, you're up to this. Like how you doing that thing where you're like, I know it's beautiful, but maybe that maybe your disease is something a little clips to the hotel. Well, I congratulations. It's just such a triumph and everything you make is so incredible and did just what a career you've had. And I asked my, my, my guess a question from someone I speak to beforehand and we talk well behind their back and then I, we ask a question of them. And I want to get to that, but, but just one last thing before I do, which is your wife, Emma Thomas is so instrumental in the stuff that you make such a badass, so incredibly talented. And I don't really have a question other than I just want to remind people of your beautiful union. I'm just thinking right now, I wish I'd also leave the room before I did the interview because she heard all that. You're such a badass. I'm not gonna give you for that. Hold me. I mean, it's so cool how you guys work together and what you do together and how you work together. I'm such great respect for Emma and her work. Well, me too. No, that's really a lovely thing to say. That's all. I mean, no question, other than how is it great to be married to such a cool lady? It's very great to be married to such a cool lady. It's very great to have such a great producer on the film. So I mean, you take something like this. It wouldn't, it would be really unthinkable without a calm, clear, you know, we'll get through this. We'll find a way so that the sensibility. So thank you for bringing it on. Yeah, of course. So, um, do you have a question you think I should ask Matt specifically about the project or about him or anything you want to know about him, big or small that you don't feel like you know? There is a question that I've tried to ask him for and I never got a clear answer. So I think you might have better luck, which is so Matt, as I'm sure you know, but he's obviously is an amazing actor, wonderful movie star as well, as we're talking about. He's also a great writer. He's an Academy of Warwinning writer as he occasionally reminds me. He's a reason for something in the script. But, uh, and a fantastic producer produced, you know, best picture nominees or as films he wasn't in, you know, everything. And I'm pretty curious and I haven't got a straight answer from about this is to why he hasn't directed. Oh, great question. It's something he could have chosen to do. He's, he's so knowledgeable. You know, you get on set with him. He knows more about everything on set than anyone. Well, almost anyone. I'm going to claim a little bit more knowledge of what I want to do on my set. But he's pretty, he's, he's pretty in control of every aspect, you know, holding in his head. It doesn't what everybody's doing, which is one of the reasons is to create collaborator as an actor because he's not just looking at his part. He's looking at how what he's doing, his advancing story and he's very, very cognizant, respectful to all the other things I'm trying to balance. It's sort of how the scene we're doing interacts with the rest of the narrative. Okay. I'm going to ask him that and I'm going to say that you said that he would make a great director. I don't know if I actually said that. Okay. I was just a white. That's a try. Maybe. No, I think he knows. He has such, he has such a clear ability to be able to step into that role if he wanted to. So I'm curious to me. Maybe there's maybe there's something about him. I'm not sure if he's going to do that. We were just talking about, we just got to see, we got. I'm so happy. I haven't talked to so few people who've seen it. I mean, I feel really lucky that we got to see it. Great. Great. Great. And it was so great to be able to see it. Great. -Yeah. -I'm excited. -I'm excited. -Yeah. It's incredible. -The whole experience was like that. It was awesome. -Yeah. -Not Damon's here. Everybody. Sorry. We're jumping in to the Odyssey. But I wanted to start there because I'm lucky enough to get to see it. I've been thinking about it a lot. It's one of those things that sticks with you, of course, because it's, like, in many ways, probably the most famous story ever told. I watched it, and it's been swirling around in my head, obviously, because of what it represents. I'm thinking about it as this meditation on aging. -Okay. No, no. I hear you, and I agree. -Because you and I are the same age. -Yeah. -It feels like there's this moment in life now where it's like, there's a past in all of the wreckage or whatever joy and love and drama that comes with that and trauma that comes with the past. It's like real present that is really hard. And there's like a lot of people you're taking care of. It's aging parents, kids, and then this version of how people think we are. Or are we still the version that people think we are? It's a very cool, I've been thinking about it a lot because it's just really hitting me at this age. Does that resonate at all? -It definitely does. And that's what I love about this movie and about the script. Like, he is a really underrated writer. I think Chris, because he's such a brilliant director, that kind of overshadows his writing. I've read three of his scripts now because this is the third movie I've done with him. And they're just so well written. And thematically, this touches on so much. And what I love hearing that is because to different people, it's going to mean completely different things. And where you are in your life, where we both are. And that's like that piece will resonate with us. For instance, there was a guy who worked on the film named Duff, who was a Navy SEAL. We were on the boat one day out in the middle of the ocean and sailing back. And he just turned to me. We started talking about the screenplay. This is without having seen the movie. And he said, I think this is the best movie about PTSD that I've ever read or seen. So I think it depends on where you are and where you've been. And that's what's so great about the Odyssey is I think that's why it survived for 3,000 years because it works for everybody who encounters it. It encounters it at a different place in their life. And it's got some resonance for them. I asked this to people my age because I found that this life life is getting better. And it certainly feels, I mean, from the outside, not knowing your life, it feels like you've been able to just keep making more stuff that you enjoy and just growing as an artist. Now let's have what is great about being our age? I think, honestly, I think that, I think that look, the business we're in is tough. And I think, you know, the first time we met and worked together, we were probably in our late 20s, early 30s. And you don't know how things are going to work out. You know, there's so much up in the air. And there's a lot of pressure. And you know, there's a lot you want to do. There's a lot you feel like you have to say. Everything feels ahead of you. That's right. And then I think the place we're at now, or at least speaking for myself, is a place, there's a greater sense of calm. Yeah. I think. And really, like when Ben and I started a company together a few years ago, it was partly because we were like, what are we doing? Like, what? This is the most joyful to like our dream, like that we had when we were kids, literally children together, you know, teenagers. Well, you met what, 10 and eight or something? 10 and eight. And really were bizarre kids who were serious about acting. And we were in the union. Yeah. And at 16 and 14 years old, we were going to New York together to audition for stuff. And our friendship was, you know, founded on quite a bit of common experience. But that was central to it. And very unique to the two of us. And here we are 40 years later. And it's like, we should make every single movie we can together. You know what I mean? Well, but it's an unusual, you said this before that you're a really good at partnerships. Right. And feels like Chris is another one, like, you know, where you're like, I'm a really good at picking people who can be partners in my life. And the fact that you guys still work together this many years later and that you love working together, it's unusual. It's just like, it's like, what do you like about working with them? I think for us, we've experienced so much of life together. You know, it's not a friendship that could ever be replicated just because we grew up together. And which meant we were together all the time. You know, we, you know, writing a screenplay together. And I think working together is one of the great things about writing with him was always the fact that there was a deep and abiding love and respect underneath everything that was never in question. Very helpful. And when you're working creatively with him because you're not worried about their feelings. And I mean, I imagine you guys have a pretty quick shorthand about what works is nothing. Nothing is taken that personally when you're creating something. And it's just the allegiances to the thing that we're making. Yeah. And we're trying to get there as quickly as we can and as efficiently as we can. And there's a deep trust. If you're like, you can get hung up on an idea sometimes you know as a writer. Yeah. And dig in. And sometimes you can be wrong. And if you have somebody that you trust that much, they'll also hear you out. Yeah. They're humble enough to know they might be wrong too. Yeah. So it's just a very easy experience. And it also ends up being just really fun because you're doing it with you know, for me, it's like this. You know, my closest friend for 40 years, 45 years, it's like, yeah. Who else would I want to hang out with and do that? Yeah. Tina and I went on tour this year. We've been friends now for like over 30 years. And we have a similar dynamic, which is we just work so well together. Yeah. Like we don't we don't care about the same thing. We don't like what we have similar things that we don't stress about. Right. And then things that were like, this is really important. We have to get this right. Right. There's a theory that the age you meet people like you were 10, bends eight, I'll compare. I'm going to compare you guys to the Beatles. So get ready. It's coming from you, not me. Paul McCartney. No, you said I had to. Paul, you squeezed my arm and you came in. You had one note that came before me. Yeah, I got slipped to know. And you said you call me Paul McCartney before this. But no, but like it was like Paul McCartney's a couple years older than George Harrison. And they always had an older brother, younger brother dynamic just because they they were two years apart. Right. Do you guys have an older brother younger brother dynamic? No. No. Like same age dynamic. No. And in fact, Ben is an older brother and I'm a younger brother. Even though I'm older than him. Right. So I'm sure we find and I've noticed that, you know, my, my wife is also an older sibling. Yeah. And there's something about that. Yeah. Yeah. You naturally fall into your, into your role. Yeah. Like as a younger sibling, I had one, you know, my big brother and, and he was like a god. And it was just like, I just had to follow him around. Yeah. My mom, you know, she worked. She was like, yeah. My brother joined the YWCA swim team. Yeah. Because his girlfriend was on the YWCA swim team. So I had to join the YWA. YWCA swim team. You know, doesn't matter. Like I could swim. Okay. I didn't love it. But, you know, I was on the swim team. Um, and, uh, and so I think so, but I, it never occurred to me that I could protest. Right. Whereas an older sibling is questioning everything because they're the ones who are kind of trailblazing and they're kind of responsible. Yeah. You can tell an older sibling right away. Yeah. For sure. You really can. And they're also like translating life to other, they're other siblings, even though they're, they could be like 12 months older than you. And they're like, here's how it goes. Yeah. Yeah. But, but you brought up your mom. I'm, my mom is a T, my both my parents are teachers growing up. Your mom is an educator, author, like academic. You guys grew up in Boston as we know famously. I also did. Sometimes you do feel like you got out. Yeah. And people are like, good for you if we get it out, you know, and sometimes they're like, I'm, I'm still, you know, here and you're like, that's great. I have no judgment about that. That's fantastic. Your life is great. Sometimes they have a feeling about it. Well, Krasinski had this, has this great character called bitter Boston guy. Must be nice. And he, and he, and he was, he leaves occasionally voicemails. And they are just, but it's like, no, good for you. Good for you. Yeah. Yeah. Good for you. No, I'm sure you're real busy, Amy, you know, with your big life and everything. Oh, yeah. From what I understand, you're a bi coastal now. I mean, not to Boston, but to New York, and I get it, you know, and it's just, and it's one of those, and they go, it goes on and on for like five minutes. And I'm just crying by the end of these things. You know, I said to myself, if I go up there and talk to her, she's not going to talk to me. She probably won't remember me. She won't remember me, but I remember you. I remember you. Good for you. And then lastly, on behalf of all Bostonians, I'm sure you've talked about this a lot too, but I don't think I know. On behalf of all of us, where were you when we won in 2004 on the Red Sox one? I was, so I was making a movie called "Siriana." And, and that was shooting at the time in Dubai. And, and I was watching all the Yankee games on, in fact, I was in Geneva during, during the, when we clenched against the Yankees. And I was supposed to work the following week in Dubai. And George Clooney, thank God, was a producer on the movie. And I called him immediately and he said, I already read the entire schedule. You can go home. No way. So I came back. I landed at JFK. I was, I was living in New York. I landed at JFK. The game was just starting. I made it to my apartment by like the second or third inning. And we won that game. Yeah. Um, you know, obviously we won all four, but, but once we won that game, I knew that I had to watch every single moment on that couch by myself because that was the look you were doing. Oh, you're watching by yourself? Absolutely. I was just like, whoa, I didn't want to jinx anything. Yeah, yeah. We used to scream at my mom to leave the room. Oh, yeah, yeah. She walked in the room. She couldn't, she was holding a laundry. She had to hold it the whole time. Totally. I do feel like something psychically changed for all of us when that happened. I know I did for my family, my dad, like, was, it felt like a release of a long, weighted something. It felt like the Odyssey. It's it. It's it. This can't be true, but it is. Wait a minute. Is the Odyssey about that? Wait a minute. Um, what did your mom think about you not finishing Harvard? Uh, bowed by then. I mean, I was working. They were really close to finishing. I was, I was, in fact, I, I, I probably, I probably did five years of classes there. Yeah. Cause I would go and then there was one semester. The last semester I left, I was two weeks away from the end of the semester. So I'd done everything. All I had to do was take the finals, but the rule was, at the time, at least, you had to take your finals at the exact moment they were offered in Cambridge. Right. And I was like, I'm number five on the call sheet. You think I'm going to shut a movie down. Yeah. I was four different times like I just had to eat the semester. Do you ever have a fantasy about going back? I think I used to like, there was a, but I also, you know, I was an English major and, and in fact, I started writing Goodwill Hunting for a class. Um, I just had wonderful professors and, and, and that professor really encouraged me to keep going with it. I didn't know what I'd never tried to do that. And, and, and, and in fact, I, I wrote, we were supposed to write a one act play and I wrote, I wrote the first act of a three act movie. Uh-huh. And, but at that point, I'd already been leaving and going, you know, I mean, I, I was kind of out in the world working. Yeah. So I wasn't like sweating grades the way I was kind of in the, I was, I was kind of out of the pipeline. Yeah. Yeah. And I was really in school for myself at that point. It's cool. And I, and I went to the, to the guy and I said, I, I think I failed your class. I like, but this is the first act of a movie and, and, and he read it and he gave me a straight A and he just said, don't stop. Keep going. I know this encouragement. And that was when I just took it out and showed it to Ben. It's so cool because you can, you can also tell that respect you have for teachers in the film. Like it's in good with haunting. And we grew up around educators and like we're saying the obvious, but it is still wild how people can remember the teacher. Oh my God. The three teachers. I have multiple teachers. Me too. That were like, you're doing good, hang in there. That just that, those like positive reinforcements about anything you were doing. Yeah. So okay, you guys moved to Hollywood. Congratulations. You win an Academy Award. You do good while hunting everybody's favorite movie. Give the best speech ever. You bring your moms. It's incredible. Um, and we didn't have a choice. But from that moment, like where you know, you've been working to your point, what you were saying, you've been working for a long time. We know you then. We meet you then. And I'm the same age as you. I'm watching you. So like be my age, like entering into some system and you're from Boston and it's like, oh, okay, we don't have to live near the game to be in the game basically. What is your relationship to work now? Because when you're young, we talked about you're like, I want to do this in this. And then you start getting these things. Then like, so then what is your relationship to? Are you tired? The long question asked that personally asking for myself. Sometimes. Yeah. But I think that's where this, I feel like, and for both, Ben and me, that we are at the same time kind of stepped into this new phase of life and really felt it. Yeah. What is that new phase? That we just want to work on. It's about, it's about really the pursuit of joy in our lives and in our work. And like this movie, I never would have. I think 20 years ago, I would have bitched a lot about, you know, I don't think I, I, that actually had to home. It was, it was like the physical discomfort in making this movie that everybody, everybody had to go through the entire crew. So the experience of doing this movie, though it was the hardest movie that I've ever done by far, was so joyful. Yeah. It really, and, and, and also it felt more like an expedition than a movie. of how we made it and to know that every single person around you was, was weathering those same difficulties and pushing themselves. Like it's just this feeling of, you know, of being a part of that, that team of people was just, it was, it was, it was, it was one of the best feelings I've ever had. That's very cool. I mean, you're making me think of that like Sanskrit idea that life is what you say it is, basically. Right. Right. So you can be like, this is the worst, this is the hardest thing and this is the way, like, this is the most incredible opportunity I'm getting to do. Yeah. And I definitely, from the moment Chris gave me the part, I felt, I felt that because first of all, he, it's, first of all, it's one of the great roles of all time. Yeah. And, and he was going to make this thing at the scale that it deserved to be made and not, and like, pretty practical, right? Like, like, like, that's, like, you know, it's going to make it the way David Lean would have made it. Right. The way somebody were made it 80 years ago. It's that for people that are going to see it and you guys can tell us if it's too spoil and we'll cut it. But like, there's scenes where cyclops is, you're meeting cyclops who by the way, I was proud of myself. I was like, is that Bill Irwin? You got him right away. Yeah. He's amazing. He's amazing. Rachel getting married. Yeah. Amazing. And, um, and I was like, oh my god, is that Bill Irwin's face? That I find out is a giant puppet. Yeah. What the fuck? That is wild. It's why it's really wild when you realize we shot it in an actual cave. And so there's no sound stage. That's wild. So we, we would hike to this cave. And it was called Zeus's cave. They say it's where Zeus was born. And we would hike up to this cave. Um, and the rigging that the guys did in this cave, they basically turned it into a sound stage almost. Yeah. Right. They, they were, I mean, it was just the amount of, the amount of work that went into doing this was like, and I bet you shot a place that no one had ever been allowed in and like, nobody would be crazy enough to try to shoot him was what it really was. Like, honestly, I would go every time I would go to a show and I would start laughing. I would be kidding me. We're going up there. That's where, yeah. Like, so what are we shooting? Well, we're not shooting anything to be get up there because that's where everything is. So, yeah, that's wild. So that part of it was, that's what I mean about an expedition. And it was, and we were all in it together. We're well, I cupped the mountain and, and, and, and in that, in that cave that was, you know, Chris was like, no, I'm in a 60 foot puppet. And so, so basically he does as little special effects as humanly possible, which means you can do quite a bit without, without CGI. And where he needs it, you know, he'll, you know, he understands what year he lives in. And he has the absolute best special effects teams. Yeah. They really help, you know, try to figure out how we can do everything almost just about everything in camera. Much like I compared you to Paul McCartney, I'm going to compare the Odyssey to SNL. But SNL is that's another thing that I told you I, you know, but, but similarly, there's few places left that's like we have a show tonight. And you know, because you've done it hosted many times. And you're like, everyone's just, it's like comedy emergency room. Everyone's doing the best version that I can do in a time that they have. And therefore, everything feels really human. Yeah. It's very cool that way. Like things feel practical and tactile and stuff. And you've done the show a bunch of times. I don't know if you remember the first time you was to think I was like 2002, I was like my second year there. I have a great picture of us, me and Dratch. And you have your arms around us. We look like ten years old. I'm like, oh, world. But it was, I remember just starting when you came. And I remember that exact feeling of like, holy shit. Look at all these talented people trying to make something like real and human, basically. What was it like to, what is it like to do that show? Do you like doing it? I still remember, I love doing it. And I, that first time the reason I did it, Patrick, my agent called me and said, you're hosting Saturday night live. And I said, oh, okay. But I don't have anything coming out. And he goes, no, Bruce Springsteen's the musical guest. We're going to get to hear two songs from Bruce. So I was like, oh, yeah, we're huge fans of Bruce Springsteen. So so that was really why I did it. And, and I remember going on the on the Monday night for the, you know, the little pitch in Lauren's office. And everybody pitches these ideas. And then everybody went, let's go to a bar. And I was like, guys, we have a 90 minutes to do by Saturday. Like, how are you people so calm? Like, like, I couldn't, there's like a, there's like a push like where people have to like force force panic almost to get anything creatively done. I was fully panicked on Monday. But then Tuesday night was the night everyone. And I stayed up. They were like, you're welcome to stay as long as you want. I stayed up overnight till like five in the morning, popping into different rooms and writing with people. And, you know, and, and love that part of it. And then, and then from the read through on Wednesday, it's just you just shot out of a canvas. Yeah, you're it's done in five minutes. Yeah. And the minute you're done, you're like, okay, I got it. Let's do it again. Yeah, and the rush that you get is incredible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I actually, we were looking up since stuff because I was like, what did I do with Matt? And there's a sketch that I do not remember. What was it? And I would better chance I'll remember it because I remember it because I've done so. Zero memory of it. You played a doctor. I saw it and I was like, no idea what the joke is. Sorry. I can't get my commercials. Is this the one where Cornell where we're where we're on it where it's everybody's name Matt Damon. Is that the thing? Maybe that's it. It sounds like that's it. All I know is, okay, here we go. Excuse me. Clarenzy. The iceman. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, they're Dr. Matt Damon. Okay, so we see the doctor. This is that's all joke. It's a nice thing. It's it. And that's not true. Identity is not about your name. Man, it's about who you are or what you do. That's easy for you to say. Oh my god. Are you Matt Damon? Yeah. This is so weird. My name is Pat Damon. Okay, now we're heightening. We're two minutes in. You should always get married. And now we're doing the introduction. Right, you do remember this. Yeah, Pat Damon, Matt Damon, Matt Damon, Matt Damon, Matt Damon. So stupid. Oh my god. It's just and it's just it's totally ridiculous. I haven't seen that's really funny. I did not remember. I mean, it is. I remember because I've probably I think I've hosted the show three times and I've come on and done guest spots, but that means I've probably done less than 20 sketches in my life. So I think I probably remember all of them. You would think you will, but I mean, it's so done. And then at the end, I think someone comes out and is Dr. Julia serving. I think that's the part. I forget how it happens, but it's like Matt Damon, Matt Damon, Pat Damon, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck and Dr. Julia serving. I don't think it played that well. I thought it was funny. I know, but it's a good example of like, you know, there are hosts who like, you know, especially in your first time, you don't really know the power you have. You know, no one really tells you the power that you have where you can be like, I don't want to do that. But there are hosts that are like, I like to pick the funny stuff. And then there are hosts that like, I want to pick the stuff that I'm in a lot or that, you know, like, and that's a real unsolvable sketch. You don't get to do much in that. Well, I said that I, but I always say to Lauren, like, just, I want the best show. Like I just, you know, this last one, I think we cut five sketches after dress. And, you know, that I was like in heavily. And I was like, whatever makes it, you know, also, you've got a younger cast. And it's like they're trying to like, establish themselves. And like, all right, if you've got something for them to do that, you know what I mean? Like you all have to do this next week, you know, a lot of people don't really take that in. Like, and I don't even necessarily mean it's a bad thing. They're just like focusing on other things like you have this ability. You always have, I think, to pay attention to like the environment that you're in with what other people need. I mean, I think it's what makes you such a good producer. I think it's what makes you such a good collaborator. Like that isn't always people's process. They just don't know how to take all that in. Yeah, I guess I guess I always just defaulted to the the better the thing is you're making the better for everybody. Yeah, sure. And I really do think that way about movies too. I don't always take the best role. I want to be in a good movie. You've been in so many good movies. Goddamn. I mean, that's interesting. You say that because like even in interstellar, that role that you take is a really surprising role to take with Chris undersold it to me actually. Because Chris, I was really happy to get the call from him. And he and he, I guess, like trying to manage my expectation, said, you know how they say there are no small parts, only small actors. And I said, yeah, I knew this is a small part. But I read it. I'm saying, no, this is a terrific part. It's a really great, I mean, it's not it's not big, but it's a really good part. Yeah, it's always about if there's something I feel like, you know, worth doing, it doesn't have to be the biggest thing. Yeah, I mean, you got into work with so many amazing people. If it's okay, I want to just ask you about a few because some of them we talk about here a lot and some I had the pleasure to either meet or work with and I love talking about them. And you've talked about him a lot, but can we just talk about Robin for a second? Because I had the experience that, as I'm sure you did of like feeling like I got to watch him use his gift to make young people feel like they had some kind of future and whatever they were doing. That was basically he would come, Robin Williams would come and improvise at UCB and like jump in the theater, the improv theater that I was a part of and he would just show up. I mean, people would lose their minds. He would show up and he'd talk to 20, all of us 20 year olds like we were like smart and funny and like change your lives. What was he like, what was it like to work with him when you were so young? Yeah, he was like that generous. Yeah. That was just his, that's just who he was. Yeah. It's just like overflowing with generosity. Yeah. Like as a creative partner to work with to do scenes with. And obviously this was something that we'd written. We'd been holding on to this thing for five years. And how seriously he took it, how prepared he was. Interestingly, he was very, he did a lot of takes. At his, what did he feel like he didn't have it? Like would he want more because he wasn't quite sure. Yeah. And I remember Terry Gilliam telling me like Terry Gilliam gave him after they did the Fisher King and Robin's brilliant in that movie. And Terry gave him a report card at the end and it was and it had all these different things like creativity, you know, energy, all the stuff and you know, hey, hey, late night phone calls, F, because Robin would get home and he would call and it, and he was a ruminator. He was a ruminator and he and and there were things we went back and and and did another pickup of a thing and we shot it 15 times already. And Ben and I knew we had it, Gus knew we had it. Yeah. And he just, and I think that's might be the comedy background where it's like, I'm going to refine this joke. Yeah, there's always a joke that you're thinking about that I can grab in there. Yeah. And and he and he had this this like, you know, and he was like into fatigable. Like the guy just had so much energy. Yeah. And so we went over budget in film. I remember every day at lunch, we would send out to Kodak. They'd come back with more film because we were burning through a lot of film. Really just for him to feel. Yeah. Like we got it. Yeah. You know, I mean, Ben and I knew like, I mean, even like the last line of the movie that was not written. He was just supposed to come out and read a letter and and and and it was just supposed the camera was supposed to sit on him for as long as he wanted as he thought about this boy's driving out of town and he's on his way. You know, he's going to go see about the girl and and Robin, we left the camera rolling and and we were shooting up at him and and I was I was right next to the camera because every time he came out when he when he when he opened up the letter, I said it so that he could hear my voice. And so Gus and I the director and you were standing by camera. Yeah. And he wasn't meant to look at me, but just so he could hear me and and he must have done 15 takes and he put the envelope back and he put it back in the mailbox and then he'd go in and we'd still be rolling and then he'd come back out and he did, you know, a few without saying anything and then he just started improvising lines and unlike the ninth line, he opened the door and he looked and he read the letter and he said, son of a bitch, he stole my line and I grabbed Gus like I mean, it's like, you know, when you get a piece of dialogue falls from heaven and you know and you just know and yeah, but Robin went back in and he did it five, six more times. He came back and I remember Ben wasn't on set that day for some reason or maybe he couldn't fit up where we were and so he was back and I just couldn't it couldn't get too and fast enough to tell him, you're not going to fucking believe what he said, listen and Ben the second he heard it like that said. Yeah. Like we knew like that's the but but Robin must have known because it came out of him. But like when that line comes out of me, if ever I'm lucky enough to come up with something on the spot that just comes out in the moment and it works, I know it and now I'm now I'm a dog with a bone, you know what I mean? I'm not going to go start trying something I love about improv. I have to say is it's like so many ideas are flung around and there a lot of them are jewels and they are just thrown for free. Yeah. Like it's like here's 10 more. Yeah. And you're like, whoa, whoa, these are like let me pick these up. Like each one could be interesting. But like when you're with like an incredible improviser, it's like I have a million of these. Right. Like these are these are never going to go away. That's what see I when I wrote I wrote a movie that not many people saw called Promise Land with John Krasinski. And John and I joke about it because John's like Ben, he's got a supercomputer on board. His he goes really fast and I'm much more I don't know. I got I got a Commodore 56 or whatever. So my processing chip isn't isn't quite as fast. And so John would would would throw out a line of dialogue. We'd be sitting in the kitchen writing and he throw out a line of dialogue. And my face would do something like this. And John would read that as he hates it. Uh huh. And then he'd give me another one. And then another and then and now he's given me five lines of dialogue. And I'm and I just go I'm like stop. Like right. I'm still on the first one, John. I think the first one's really good. Now I got to think about all these other ones because I think they're really good too. Just you know, give me a minute. And and I think wait, you know, yeah, you're right. They're like jewels that are falling on the ground. And I'm like somebody who wants to pick up each one and go like yes, let's we're going to we're going to put this thing together like a Swiss watch. And that's why I think sometimes it's it's always like I mean, it's interesting to watch people be able to be okay with that speed and stillness. It's what like film actors do so well as they allow things to just stay. And when you're coming up in like from a comedy perspective like speed is yeah, you get yourself a steam. It's everything. And you just have to sometimes just like stop. Yeah, just stop it. With that in mind, what was it like to work with Phil Hoffman who like what an incredible actor. Yeah. What was it like to be because your character is really you have to square off with him in this way. That is I mean, he's so intimidating. He's so good in that movie. He's just I mean, he's good. He was he was he was great in everything, but holy shit. He's talking about a role where you come in and I mean, he that scene the scene where he comes back where I kill him and town's a Mr Ripley spoiler. Spoiler. Spoiler. Honestly, it's a long trip. He I loved him because he you know, we'd rehearse. There was a whole month of rehearsal and and we got to know each other and and but I hated him so much that day. Yeah. And he because that's how he it's like he like built the energy for that scene. It was like like like a fucking Marvel superhero coming out of him and and sucked me right into it. And we had this day of working where and we liked each other. Yeah. But that was not yeah. That wasn't in the room. Yeah. And and I just remember it's that I've said I say it all the time because it really is the truth when when when you're working with a great actor. They're great enough for both of you. And it's like it's like just just paddle into the wave. Right. And that's it. And and you just get transported. Yeah. And that was what he was I mean, he was just phenomenal phenomenal. Yeah. He's he's he's incredible. And his theater company was great. I used to go and see them and do you ever do anything like did you do see a lot of theater in New York when you were no no I was working already. Yeah. The last play I did in fact Phil was there we we did he I think he was doing Jesus Hoptie a train or he was directing it. I can't remember but we were all over and then Goeneth was doing proof. And Casey Affleck and I were and Summer were doing this is our youth. We were all in the West End in the same summer. None of us saw each other's plays because we were on the same schedule. But we were all it was like the Ripley reunion kind of right. And I think Jude was like doing something that summer too. But we were all. Do you ever get a I'm sure you'd offered all the time. Do you ever want to do something on Broadway? I've thought a lot about it. It's the schedule that that until until my my youngest is a freshman and once she's out of the nest I would definitely do do it. Yeah. It's just it's just not a great schedule for parenting. Crazy schedule. All the all the all the SNL ladies are on Broadway this summer like they're all d'reaches in Rocky Horror and on is in Shemega Dune. Am I is doing Oh Mary right now. I'm like watching them all do it. And I we've had a bunch of Broadway actors on here. I just I having the hardest part of your day be the end of your day every day. Sometimes twice a day. It's brutal. Yeah. So hard. And I remember even this is 20 something years ago doing that play and I loved that play and I love Kenny Lonergan. But this elation coming off stage when things went went when it was like oh my god that was yeah something. And then that would last like five minutes and then I'd go I have to do this twice tomorrow. And and I remember thinking why didn't someone just film that? You guys are making this so unnecessarily difficult. You can be in the can. You can be done. We can be in Toronto. We can share in Toronto. We should be at the fence. What's happening? Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I you know Cheatle's doing a bit is doing proof right? Yeah, that's right. I saw that and he's fantastic, but wow fun with those oceans movies by the way speaking of Cheatle That looks like I mean what a boondog Steven Soderberg Yeah, he was the one to make that and you guys were like having Capuchino and he was like Kimmy wrong. I mean God, they look so fun. They look so fun. They were really fun and it was just a wonderful group Yeah of people and we and in the group chain, you know, it's like as the movies went along, you know Then suddenly, you know people were married people had babies, you know, we were loaning diapers to each other You know what I mean? It was just a nice kind of run of Life for us. Yeah, you mentioned Clooney. We have a fun thing with I don't know if you remember us and Clooney and you because What a Hollywood thing. I just think we have a fun thing me and Clooney I know but when we when we poked fun at him at the Golden Globes, he's got a great as do you Great sense of humor about himself Do you know this that he made stationery? Yeah, okay, so Not the first time he's done this by the way and I've told I've said this to his face I'm not talking behind his back. I don't like pranks. I don't fuck with I'm not a prank guy. I don't like it. I don't it makes me stressed I do love them enough for all of us He loves them and and and I'm like don't do your weird pranks on me and he's like, oh, okay And anyway Tina and I hosted the Golden Globes. We made a joke that now that you were in TV You're basically a garbage person because you heard this was just TV right you were in the movie section anymore and you of course laughed and played along with it George Clooney made stationery pretending he was you and Sent us like a strongly worded letter saying that would really hurt I really hurt my feelings now. Did you tell you? You're gonna do it? Okay, got it. No the no the way I found out And by the way the only the only reason I found out was because you guys sent me some like fruit Bastard something so I was like I was so bewildered. We were like we think this is a prank. That's right Yeah, you were on our basis just in case it's not it's a real Fruit basket but and then I called one I think I called Tina was like what the fuck? She lived right down the street for me at that time we were I was on the Upper West Side and And then we you know we put it together pretty quickly. Yeah, I was Clooney's doings but But but yeah, I guess soda Bergs. I want to have to make that but what Was such a well-crafted movie movies? That's him. I mean I've done I think 10 movies Yeah, yeah, I I will do the phone book with Steven Soderbergh. I absolutely love working with him and what do you love about working with him? Well he's just He's It's like he sees the matrix. Yeah, like I really I mean by the time it's so When we did behind the candle lobby in 2012 so good he but the Steven would I Get to work we'd we'd shoot a scene I'd go home at like five o'clock Because Steven operates the camera is the editor is the cinematographer and the director and I'd go home and the kids were little and you know we'd bay them we'd we'd give them dinner we read him a story put him to sleep I'd come downstairs by like eight 7/30 or eight o'clock and on my iPad there was a new delivery and I'd open it up and it was the scene We shot that day fully scored as it was going to appear in the movie when it came out nine months later Holy shit. Yeah, so for Michael and me. Oh wow to you know You're you're playing this relationship, which is this kind of dysfunctional relationship It kind of descend into like drugs and you know and and and it unfolds over time and So to to calibrate the performance is difficult But not when you can watch Yeah, what you just did here's the scene that's gonna happen after this and here's the scene that just happened before this I know and then Steven's like all right I'm starting on Michael's face and really you know exactly where you are at all times and That feels really comfortable. It's unbelievable It's like and I always say like the only excuse an actor has and it's a legitimate excuse if if you suck in a movie Is I didn't know what movie I was in yeah, that's a totally fair like if the director just couldn't communicate the tone and didn't you know It's very easy to To be in the wrong movie. I like and here's another Soderberg story like I did this movie with him the informant Mm-hmm great movie and yeah, I love that one and and We shot a scene where my character had to apologize to the entire town Basically it's stood up in court and we had the we had the The transcript of what he said and those were my lines and so we're in Illinois I think it was Springfield Illinois in the courthouse he was actually in and The entire cast is there because they're all sitting in the gallery and they're the people that I need to apologize to and So I stand up and I I start this apology and I get I get legitimately choked up I don't mean to I'm trying not to and And I get through it and Stephen's it's kind of shooting a wide shot the other side and I hear cut and he walks over and I'm sitting at the defense table when he kind of He comes up and he goes yeah, no I'm like no So fuck you no, I go that should just happen man. That was real like what he goes. Yeah. Yeah. No, no You're in the wrong movie and I went oh, okay. Get me in the right movie and he sits there and he thinks for a second and he goes Do it like an awards acceptance speech. Oh Incredible direction Yeah, because it was like yeah, this guy this was this guy's movie wasn't I I'm admitting it was everyone's here for me. Yes That's right. This is a great This is like wow. Yeah, right? And I think that's what I said like wow Yeah, and it's so interesting now both scenes in a vacuum Also like you know, it's it makes sense that like I had a real emotion like I really felt something isn't that what I'm supposed to be doing Connected to the part of me. This is that's how this is supposed to go. Oh, yeah, but not if you're in the wrong movie Mm-hmm. Okay, and so Christopher Nolan The Odyssey we're talking about it. You're back with him again. You've made three films with him So we do the thing where we we talked to somebody before our guest comes in and talk well behind the back and I talked to talk to Christopher and Intimity I was intimidated to be honest. He's very intimidating War suit drank tea and is so good at directing And just such an formable artist and like really such like The director of this decade and in so many ways and you know this because you've worked with him so many times but he's asking a lot of you and you just said earlier like that's the part that you're realizing Oh, I'm not gonna play about this. I'm actually gonna I'm gonna decide that this is gonna be the most like fulfilling incredible experience But it is still a physical experience like it still means that you have to get in probably the best shape of your life Yeah And as a person of a similar age it's like it's it's one thing running and punching and in born in your 30s It's way different to be getting jacked in your 50s. It's really hard It was a complete complete lifestyle change right so everything goes away. There's no Planning it like I and any other time I tried to do something like that It was always like well of my time my workouts and I think and this was like no no just everything Yeah, just put your feet on the foot on the gas and that's it That's the only way to do it. Yeah, and eat a little less But no like no gluten no no gluten Which changed my life are you still no good still no gluten? You don't have any desire for it anymore? Because of the because of the because of what it does to me. Yeah, like I You always I didn't know well Well, it's funny. You say that because I feel like our generation like a lot of food allergies and stuff or whatever or sensitivities We didn't really have that Like no, we didn't talk about that we didn't talk about it and I didn't realize the level to which it was affecting me and in fact Like it's completely changed my life these last couple years of not just of not eating it And so that's made it like it's a bummer. Yeah, like I'm a big fan of bread But and beer. Yeah, you know what I mean like I so you know pasta and pizza and all that stuff But but yeah, how I feel is just so much better. Yeah incredible. Okay, and then Sleep what's your sleep situation? Do you do you sleep? Yeah, I mean we do love to sleep I do right teenagers in the house, but you know like once you had kids did you ever sleep well again? No Yeah, like all the like it wasn't until they got older like we it was this huge stretch where I didn't sleep for I felt like for like 10 years Yeah, I feel like I'm like a been a lighter sleeper, but on this on this movie there was we like me and the PAs We had this kind of joke called the Odyssey 5 if you could get five hours like you were thrilled That's tough. Yeah, that's not a lot of sleep But it was enough. Yeah, it was enough. I get it. I just did realize that five is the cutoff because there were some four nights There were some no nights. I had two nights where I did not sleep because you were working No, because I I got home and I was like overly tired Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just sitting there and I missed the window and now I'm panicking because and you're like tomorrow I literally have to like lift a rock through the mud. Yeah Like every day I have to do spring tomorrow all day. Yeah, it seems like so It was hard. It was hard for everybody. That's what made it wonderful. It's funny you talk about other departments because Chris's question for you. He had a question for you. Which is basically like, why haven't you directed? He said, and I quote, you would be an amazing director. You'd probably be better than me. He lies in interviews. That's what's lovely thing to say. That's not true, but it's a very lovely thing to say. I almost directed a couple things. I almost directed that movie, Promised Land, something in 2012. But I ran long on another movie. I would have had to come down home, put my bags down and leave again. So I bowed out and then called Gus Van Sant, who then stepped in and directed it. As a producer, I made the movie better. Another movie that John Krasinski and I commissioned Kenny to write, "Manager by the Sea," and I was going to direct it. As it started to come in, I was like, Kenny, you got to do it. I was going to play the part. We were about to start shooting, but behind we couldn't get the production office open. We were five weeks out. I called Kenny and I was like, I'm putting you in a position to fail here. Let's take a breath. I didn't have anything for two years. I'm sorry, I had worked for two years. Kenny was ready to go. I was like, all right, the only person I'm given this role to is Casey. We had all done the play together in London and we're all friends. This is the best role that I've seen in a long time. But we were able to get it financed with Casey. He stole that Oscar from you. That's how you return the favor. I'd say I gave it to him. I'm sure he wouldn't mind that. After ripping his heart open, and that performance. I allowed you to have it. I allowed you. Okay, lightning round as we end. You have four girls. You've talked so much about how great it is. Do you know the fact the research shows that the more daughters you have the longer you live? Did you know that? I believe it. I've never heard that before. It says like you get like a year or something added to your life with each daughter and mother's lose a year for each child they have. Yes, of course. The dad's got his best doesn't matter. The dad's get all the years. You're right. The mother's with her away. That sounds totally fair. But having all these women in your life in your house, like, and all, like, what's the biggest joy? It's speaking about joy. What's the biggest joy about watching them? Get older and grow up and become real people in the world. Wow. I mean, they're interesting. They're all so different. And so different from one another. Are they launching into the world now in different ways? I've got one about to turn 28, one who just turned 20. And then we still have two in the nest, 17, almost 18 and 15. They're just amazing. They're my favorite people. I feel very lucky that I grew up with just a brother. It was just a side of the human experience that I just didn't have access to. And I got that in that next chapter of my life. And it's just been beautiful. And your comfort watch. What are you? I was thinking about it. I was like, wow. And Matt's changing the channels and watching movies. There must be a lot of times where you're like, I was in that. I work with that person. I almost got that part. There's a lot of movies that you've been in and a lot of movies that you know a lot about or that you've produced. Or that you've produced or that. So what is a comfort watch one that you can watch where you can check out? I mean, like if it's on and watching it, usually will Farrell's movies. Like, you know, like in our house, you kind of can't go wrong with him. Like he, we've watched, you know, step brothers and towel day and nights and all. You know, again and again and again. Blades of glory too. Because you know, and Will Speck is a great friend of ours. Yeah. That's right. Well, it's great. That is one of the, that's definitely in the pantheon. Oh my god. That movie. How fun and dumb that movie is. It's so genius. Okay. And water. How do we fix it? Oh my god. Yeah. And this is a speed round. But I mean, I've been reading the work you're doing. It's incredible. What should we be doing? What can we do? You could go check out water dot org and you can donate directly or there's this new what we have get blue, which we launched this summer, which is if you see anything that says get blue on it, if it's. Or if you know, there's, there's hoodies and t-shirts at the gap. Let's say get blue. There are, you can go to Starbucks and get a blue matcha or a coconut refresher and proceeds from that will go to water dot org into the work we're doing. And we've, we've reached 92 million people so far, you know, which is, which is really something because had we, we do it through microfinance through these small micro loans and had we stayed with drilling wells. It would have taken us 600 years to get to where we are right now. So it's the, it's scaling. It's a sustainable solution. And there's a lot more to be done. And amazing. Talk about the Odyssey, man. Yeah. That's a, that's a big one. That 600 years too long. Okay. So last question I ask everybody. Anything you're watching right now that's making you laugh video. A scene from a show. I literally last night. Okay, great. So my kids are watching this thing called love Island. Oh, yeah. The teens are obsessed. I couldn't do it. I can't do it. I get too much. I'm embarrassed. Yeah, I couldn't. But, but before, and then we literally sat down. We had some friends visiting. Then they have a teenage daughter and they're staying with us. And so the kids at dinner were like, we're going to watch this thing. So we sat down and it didn't come on till nine. And so we're flicking. And there's something called temptation Island. Oh, yeah. And so, and so I get so we look at the little thing. And I'm like, you guys want to give this a shot for an hour before love Island comes on. And I mean, it was, it did not disappoint. Am I wrong that temptation Island is if you make out or have sex, you're out. No, I from what I could understand. Okay, that's, I wait, that's called too hot to something. I watched, I watched episode one of season two last night. And it was they introduced these four couples. So I want season two. Yeah, four unmarried couples travel to a tropical island to have their fidelity tested. Which so they bring in people, they bring in hot singles. It was so funny. So they bring in the, you know, the hot singles and all the guys come in and like rip their shirts off. And they're like, you made a mistake bringing her here, bro. I don't know how long it lasts. We did make it through an episode. Oh my god. Oh, that's great. And my friend, she was, oh, she was, she's visiting with her daughter and we were howling. But um, but it's these four couples and you're like, and you know, and the kids are like trying to either taking bets on which couples are going to make it. Sure. Like, you know, guys, I doubt if they all just were faithful to each other, there wouldn't be much of a show. So I have a feeling someone's going to buckle on it. And then we see some cracks in the veneer also the acting exercise of having to come in and be so confident. It's unbelievable. I'm breaking you guys up. I know. I know it's unbelievable. The women and the men, they're just you've never seen more confident people. Couples get all, you know, they do these in depth interviews and then, you know, where they're where it's just like, you know, he's had a problem with fidelity. This time, he's going to prove it by going to temptation Island and like, you see these guys, like they get split up into steps. So the, the four guys who are in the couples, they get split up from their partner and they go into a house with these, you know, 10 gorgeous women. Yes. And I'm hot. And they're like, you see, the least guy starts to crack within 30 seconds. Well, I mean, I didn't know it was going to be like this. I mean, what is a man supposed to do? And it's also the, the, they're, they're like, they're all in their 20s. And they're all like, you know, you know, I mean, this, I mean, she really means a lot to me. We do together for 15 months. And it's like, I mean, after six months, I mean, I had my laps and I was unfaithful to her. But since then, I've been and you're just like, this is a fucking disaster. I don't know if I'll hang in there. I made it through one episode. We had some laughs. I love that the kids, your kids are like, I don't know. They seem pretty in love. And you're like, I don't feel like someone's going to fall. Just from a writing perspective, I can tell you we're going to need some a little more conflict. It would be so sad to for that casting. And they're like, good news is you got temptation island. Oh, my God, exciting. Bad news is you're not coming into tempt any of the people. Why not? We just thought it would be better if you were the lady that worked at the island. Well, Matt, thank you so much for coming to do and this was such a blast. Congrats on this incredible movie and all of work you do. And thanks so much for being here. I appreciate it. Thanks, guys. Well, thank you so much, Matt Damon, hometown hero of mine, Boston boy, done good. Thank you for coming and what a pleasure to talk to you. Yeah, your work is incredible. So congrats on that and keep doing it. And for this polar plunge, you know, Matt talked very briefly about something that he created a global nonprofit at water.org. But what it really is is an incredible organization founded by himself and Gary White. And they provide micro loans to make sure that there's clean water and proper sanitation all over the world. So it's pretty awesome. I mean, sometimes on these plunges, I talk about, "Oh, I don't know a song I'm listening to," or, "I could use this plunge to, go for round about the Martian." But no, I want to just remind you to go donate time, energy, or money to water.org and go see the Odyssey. I mean, the Odyssey doesn't need me to pump it. Everyone in the world is going to go see it. Okay, thanks for listening. Good for good hang. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weissberman and me, Amy Polar. The show is produced by The Ringer and PaperKite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spalane, Kaya McMullen, and Alayah Zaneras. For PaperKite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weissberman. Original Music by Amy Miles.