Matan vs Alex O'Connor Intense Religious Debate

Hey guys, welcome back to the podcast of today's guest. We have Cosmic Skeptic, welcome in. Yeah, and then for today's call host, we have Mike. Welcome in, Mike, my take your seat over there on the left. Can you pull your mic a little closer to you by the way? - I suppose this is about time to say that I'm allergic to nuts. - You're allergic to what? - To nuts. - Why would that be about time to say that? - Well, I can snap from here. - Okay, well, I guess in case and just make sure to pull the mic close to you. They have like that pickup scene where they don't pick up that much. So in case anybody doesn't know you, please introduce yourself and all that one. - My name is Alex. I am a podcaster, much like yourself. Although I suppose not that much like yourself, but. - Right. - To some degree. - You're a little less serious than me. - You could say that. - Okay, so I appreciate you coming on. So I got your couple of gifts. We'll start off right now. - That's very kind. Am I supposed to open this now or wait 'til Christmas? - No, you can open it now. It has nothing to do with the holidays. - It feels like a book. Is it gonna be covered in peanut butter? - No. - Michael Moore. - Michael Moore? - Ah. - And Colter. - And Colter? - Yeah, I've heard of that. - So I got your book in case because that's why I got smarter. I know you wanna learn about philosophy and stuff. - By reading Ang-Colter. - Yes. - Is it signed? - That's a shame. - It's not signed by Ang-Colter. - Is that disappointing? - A little bit, you know? - Okay, so I'll make it up with another gift. - Beautiful. Gosh, you've really pushed the boat out here. - What is it? - It's the paperback. - That's a different book I think. - A mugged by Ang-Colter. - That's about black people. This one is about terrorists. - Okay. - So it's a little different and then I'll give you some more gifts throughout the episode. - That sounds fun. - Awesome. Did you know that in 80's test 20 IQ points slower than a religious? So that doesn't mean something? - That might well be true. I'd like to see your source for that study. - I don't have my phone on me, so it's just on paper but let's just assume it is. - Oh, I see. - Is that just based on your personal experience? - No, it's based on like Bloomberg or something. - Really? - Yeah. - But how many 80's to view, man? How many religious people? - I've met a lot of people. I mean, I've imagined every time I run into the street, it's probably like, what, 50, 50 nowadays? - Do you consider that meeting someone? - Yeah, I would say so. - And do you think that IQ is the final arbiter of intelligence? I mean, for a lot of people, religious experience is the key reason why people come to believe. - I would say that if he was a very important thing, might well be, yeah, but for this, maybe not. - For religion? - Yeah. - I mean, maybe the experience of God is-- - I mean, it kind of points to something. If you ask me like, you know, what's the difference between some American versus an American with another sort of verb at the beginning of it? - Yes. - I wouldn't point to IQ. - Yeah, that's fine. But do you think that if God existed, he would make it easier for clever people to get into heaven? - I don't think that towel heaven works. I think he's gonna-- - I mean, I think he's gonna strike down the idiots. That's why they're stupid idiots. - Maybe not. I think idiots are one of, at least in Christian tradition, one of God's favorites. - The idiots, why is that? Are you saying the Christians are stupid? - I'm saying that Jesus' disciples were illiterate and they were partly picked for that reason. - Well, I'm not gonna be able to really argue on this because I'm not super religious nor am I Christian, but I'm not really, I kind of don't like ACs and men's an idea because when I meet them, they're more typically liberal. I'm not a big fan of liberals. We're in the UK right now. I meet there's a ton of immigrants. I'm staying, we're shooting this in central London. It's like a nightmare going around here. I'm kind of scared for my life a little bit to be completely honest. - Yes. Well, what was it you said about atheists a second ago? - What did I say? I don't remember. I said probably a couple of things. I don't remember either. But yeah, I mean, you're quite right. It's London has one of the highest levels of immigration anywhere in Europe. - Is that because of atheists? - No, I don't think so. It's hard to say. I mean, people like to say, if you remove religion from a society, well, you end up with this sort of vacuum which is filled by other ideologies that we don't like like Islam, but. - I think that's a little bit too. - Is it not a religion? - Yes, it is, but I think it's a little bit too easy. - That doesn't make any sense. - You described atheism as belief. You said you don't like it as a belief. I don't like the. Well, whatever it is, you're doing like semantics with me 'cause you know the words better than me. I'm more of a simple street speaker. You're more of a confuser, I'd say. You know all the terminology. So you put, and you know how to speak real quick. So then I don't know what you're talking about. But I would say that you're like level two. I'm level three because I'm smart enough, way smarter than you where I can call out that I don't even have the level of understanding to know what you're saying. - Yeah, you don't even need to make a good argument in order to. - No, forget the good argument. - Sure, I recognize that you're not making a good argument. You're just putting many fancy words together. - That might be true. Atheism, in my view, Bill Ma up at it well when he said that Atheism is a belief like abstinence is a sex position. It's a sort of neutral position that people take. I just don't believe this. - Well, I'm also kind of anti-sex and hook up culture as well. And I hate Bill Ma, I wanna physically. Well, I don't know what you're allowed to say here in London. - You wanna physically what? - Well, I'm not gonna say it. When I'll get back to the United States, I'll be a little careful. We're on rumble to be fair, though. - Oh, yes, you might have the met police at your door if you say the wrong thing. - Right. You know, when I got here to London, one of the things I noticed, it's like, in the US I get those phone scammers calling me. - Yes. - They're all over the streets here. - Yes, I think I know what you mean. And you might well be right. And call to it again. - What's that book about? - Liberal victims and their assault on America. Have you read all of these? - I wanted to kind of help you get a little smarter and a little more educated. You seem like a nice and friendly guy. - What's your favorite book? - Anne Colter guilty. Liberal victims and their assault on America. - Yeah, good answer. - How do you think? - Anne Colter must be very smart if she's able to make this many books and stuff. - That might be right, but then they do say everyone has a book in them. - Yeah, but most people can't produce it. - Yes, in most cases, that's what I should say. - See, this is what I mean. You're able to put those things together, but when you dissect what you're saying, it's just like, it's like, most people have eyes, you know? - So what I just said doesn't make sense. - It's just like, it's meaningless sense. - What did I just say? - I don't see, that's the point. You're trying to see if I have the high enough IQ level to remember stuff 'cause that's sort of one of the things that IQ works on. See, that's what I mean. - Do you remember the last thing I said? - I remember the last thing I said. (laughing) - Before that. - Remember the last thing I said. - And I'm not sure about that. We'll have to check that out. - Before that. - We'll have to check the tape. - We'll have to check that. That's not even right. We'll have to check the tape. - You were doing so well. You were doing so well. It was almost a good thing. - I was doing pretty good. What was the last thing I said? - I don't know, but I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not agreeing. - Well, now we understand the difference here, between my intelligence and yours. - Yes. - Why is there green and red apples, but not blue ones? How can you explain that genius? - That is a phenomenal question. The reason is my friend. And it's an important question is that, you know, when you look at a leaf or something and you think that it's green, it's not that the leaf is green. It's that it absorbs everything except green. It actually repels the green light and that's why you see the green. So apples are not really so much red and green as they repel those lights and that's why you see it. - So why can't, but I want a blue one. - Why not blue? - Why not blue, quite right. Well, we don't know. - Why does you need to absorb or repel it? Whatever is the one you said, I mean, I don't even know what you're said talking about. - You know, what you're saying is true. You're making it up on the spot. I'm saying that's true, but it's-- - It would be more impressive had you just made that up. - I know it would have been. I should have given that a go. But no, it is actually a great mystery as to why, you know, I could explain why the wavelengths bounce off of this and hit my eye and not other ones, but why that's experienced as redness. That's supposed to something else. - Red? - Yeah. - Not but the greenish is green. - The greenish is green, yes he is. - So it's not red, you're wrong. - But once again, the greenish is not green. - This is what I mean, you're a deceiver. You're trying to make me believe this is red, but I know for a fact that the greenish is green. - You're actually exactly wrong, the greenish is not green. It's the one thing the greenish is not, because the greenish reflects the green line. That's why you see it as green. - No, the reason why you would be wrong there is because the greenish is a fictional character. Okay, he's described as green. - You're quite right. So I got you. - But some fictional characters exist. - More so than-- - The greenish does not. - Well, do you say that, do you think that Hamlet existed? - Hamlet? - Hamlet. - I don't know what that is. - Do you think that the greenish exists? - No, he does not. - Okay, but can you imagine, say something like a fictional character who was never written into existence also doesn't exist, but seems to exist less than the greenish does. - So the greenish exists? - No, they both don't exist. The greenish exists less than the table, but something which-- - The table is real, the greenish is green. - The table is real. - The table is real. - How do you know that? - This is what I mean with the philosophers in the AC, this is my issue with you. - That's terrible. - When you get to the top level AC, this is just guys asking you like, am I real? What am I doing here? See like, hey man, I don't have an answer. And I want to physically do stuff to Bill Mar. - That's, that's-- - Do you know Bill Mar? - I've never met him, no. - Do you have his address? - I'm afraid not, and if I did, I would be loathe to give it to you. - You would be loathing to give it to me? - Loathe. Although when you say you want to do physical things to him, I can't-- in a sexual way. I imagine. Oh, I see. I could tell if you're infatuated or two thumbs down for homosexuality here on this channel. That's for that's also expected. Yours from what? There's there's not much that's surprising me in other words about what you're saying. It's very you're agreeing with it. You're saying? No, I didn't say that. That's another issue. We'll move on. That's another issue with philosophers, by the way, and it's used. Yes. They typically like, you know, the homosexuality thing. Well, I think a lot of atheists are homosexuals. Are homosexuals? Some atheists are homosexuals. Oh, I know. It's terrifying. But of course, if you're an atheist, you like one of the principal reasons that people have to stand in opposition to homosexuality, which is because you think that God told you that. That was how things should be. Do you believe in Justin? Justin. Yeah. Justin who? Justin Bieber. Are you a believer? I would say yes. I think he's been through a lot. But how can that be? Great question. I like the music. How do you know that music is real? See now I can ask stupid questions like that. How do you know that your ears are hearing stuff and that he's not reflecting bounces of red because you see how stupid that sounds when he's even back to me. You'd be amazed at how profound a question that really is. And I can give you a stupid answer if you like. And that's what philosophy is. That was a smart question. I'm so excited to see what this one's going to be. I know. I wanted to give you some gifts. What is it? It's a hard back. A hard book. A hard back. I don't speak a version of English. A hard back. It's a literary term. Not a gay one. Don't worry. Let's see. Did you buy this specially? What did you just have? I'm giving them from my own personal collection because I want you to become intelligent. This one is special for you. This one is. Luckily, you've got 10 coffees of each. Godless. Yeah. God she really does shit them out, doesn't she? She must be some sort of genius. I mean, that is just that is impressive. Have you read all of this? Yeah. What's your favorite chapter? I don't think that's how the books work. It's more like it's just like, let me show you here. You see what I mean? That one's a great one. Yeah. No, these are not chapters. It's all just like a longer book. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Because she just she has to get all the thoughts out. She's just sort of that. That sharp. Yes. I missed putting it on top of it. It looked like it. How did you know that I wasn't trying to do a thing where it slipped off and went here? Maybe you were. That would have been. I was actually planning for you to ask me about that and I could explain it and put it there. That's an incredible talent you have. Why are you only allowed to carry 64 blocks in Minecraft? It seems like an arbitrary number and makes the game tougher to play. Good question. But there are arbitrary rules in the real universe that we inhabit. Why can only things travel to a maximum? These things are not decided by people. These are. Whoa. Hold on. I thought that you weren't an atheist. Somebody must have decided the maximal speed of light. Yeah, but not a human that I've interacted with. Somebody. Are you Christian? No, I'm not Christian, but I would. I am like sort of religious. Oh, I see. Okay. Okay. So you don't think that God can be a human. Are you asking this because of the Jesus thing? Yeah, I am. I've heard different explanations where they say that Jesus isn't God, but he is like the son of God. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is what the the entirety of early Christianity was all about trying to work that out. You could probably make some contributions to if you gave it some thought. To what? To Christology, the nature of studying the sort of nature of Jesus. What are you reading now? Trying to see if we get a mention of the Nazarene in her book. Incredibly, she seems not to mention him once. Not to mention who? Jesus. She mentioned John pulled the seconds two times, but she doesn't mention Jesus. How were you checking that she didn't mention Jesus? Do you didn't just read the whole book? That it's cool and index. If you'd ever got to the end of a book, you'd probably know. No, because that's just the nonsense stuff in the back. This is like for people who are trying to skip around in the book. Yeah, that's right. That's exactly what I was trying to do. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The book is great. I forget what it's called, but I get like a percentage. This would be linked in the description. Oh, like an affiliate affiliate. I mean, affiliate and culture. Then I'll wave it around a little bit more so that people know. Super helpful for that. Should teachers be allowed to have s***s with young students. Teachers, did you say? Yes. Probably not. Why is that? Because I think that we're in broad agreement that one of the most important parts of any kind of sexual encounter is the teachers don't agree with you. Both sides. They don't. Okay, so how about that? They need teachers to do, but some do not. I'm obviously referencing the teachers who I'm referencing in the same question. I see. I see. Well, that might be true, but of course we can disagree about things. One of us is right. One of us is wrong. I don't, well, is that how you believe things? It's how you, I stumped you there. It's how you approach the world. It's what I feel it is a bad because I stumped you so it's you started stuttering. I've been skewed. Yeah, you've been destroyed. So I'll give you now another gift. This will make up for this. That's going to be a good one. I can just tell. I can feel at some point at some point. At some point. This train is going to break at some point. It's going to be something else. And what you'll do, what you will do is you will give me something that is not by amculture. What is it? Oh, come on. This is this is this is quite something. Where did you get this? What is it? I feel like I'm on Nardwell. This is Craig. This looks to me like an audio book in CD ROM form. Do I actually get to keep this? You'll get to keep every single piece of anculture merchandise that I'm giving you. This is incredible. That's all yours. Amazon.com. That's where you got it. Probably. And if you use the link Matt and this is great. I actually, I'm going to cut this out. I actually found all of this in a trash can outside of my buddy's house. I see. And I read it. I became smarter and I wanted to give it to you. Well, it's all like I found it in a trash can. I was like, I'll pass it on. I think you're literally saying, I think you're saying to me, I literally from the gutter, your thoughts. No, because that literally originated in it. No, because the book here, this is just one copy of it. Maybe this is from the gutter, but not the book itself. I see. I see. She wrote it and she's, you know, whatever. I forget. She used this the same image. It's like the same image every time. It's like it's because it's the same person. Do you think this was like the same photo shoot and she's like stockpiled. Whenever she writes a book, she can just sort of. What was she supposed to put somebody else on it? Was she supposed to paint herself? She could probably do with changing the color scheme a little bit, maybe tell them apart. What if the book is selling really well? So she, that, you know, she wants to look similar. Not quite sure that's how marketing works, although I don't work for. Well, you don't know better than how many books have you made? How many subscribers do you have? I don't know the exact amount, maybe like one million. That's impressive. That's good. Why did you ask that? Why did that have to do with it? Well, you know, if we want to talk about marketing, you know, I think you do very well. I'm not claiming that I do better marketing than you. I'm claiming that you have worse marketing than I'm saying you have the same color scheme. So I can see why you're defending her. What's the color scheme? Black and white. I mean, yeah, I mean, you're saying because her skin is white, I wouldn't have a black person on the show. I see, but didn't you just have some black people on the show? No, I didn't. Who did I have on there with black? I suppose, I suppose they might, they might say that they are something else. I don't know what you're referring to. Is there a specific, if I had a black person on the show, it's like I must have woke up in my eyes, must have been deceiving me. Didn't you just have some black Israelites on the show? No, no, because that was like a black Israelite. Yeah, that's what I mean. Jewish. They're probably going to think that something else. Yeah, that doesn't count. So as long as they don't think they're black, you're okay with it. So that implies that the problem is not if they're really black, but if they think they're black. So if I told you, to be fair, that's true, but at the same time, I got him to like kind of attack on the rabbis. Yes. And that's I love that. Yeah. So it's like I, it's like I, you know what I mean, you give up one thing for another. I had to make a substitution there. So he is black, I don't know. So if I thought I was black, would that mean you would kick me off the show? If you were going to debate a rabbi, I see. Yeah, okay. Then I would probably sort of like weighing up. I think it would be awesome if you wanted to come back here one day and paint yourself black in debate a rabbi. Not so sure about that. I'll do one of those things and not the other. Is that illegal here? It might well be. Everything seems to be illegal here. Yeah, that's what I've been hearing. Our book might be illegal here. That book is cool. There's enough anxiety, which, you know, stare like that. Are Indians currently conducting their revenge for colonization? Some people unironically say that or at the very least say that the, you think I said that ironically, mass immigration is the UK are, no, I don't think I implied that. The mass immigration into the UK should be accepted as some kind of, you know, comuppance for the actions of the British Empire and in fairness, Britain did go around for a very long time telling people whether that's why they have technology and in India, they go to the bathroom and like their hands or something. That's what I heard. Some people do that in the UK, do you? Yeah, crazy people. If you have a toilet in India, it's like they probably think you're crazy. It goes the complete opposite way over there. I've never been. I wouldn't know. But I do know that Britain told people for a very long time, whether you like it or not, you are British and now they're caching in that ship. They were telling the Indians they were British. Oh yeah. That was a massive mistake I would say. I think I would agree with you, there may be not for the same reasons. What? It seems like we're sort of in agreement, you're saying that you don't really support the amount of immigration that the UK is allowing. I don't think any but no major political party in the United Kingdom supports the level of immigration. Okay. The policy even, even the most liberal parties in the United Kingdom, maybe not the very most liberal, but have been at the very least. So even the Lib Tards don't like the immigration. So it seems. That's how you know it's bad. Yeah. And we are literally speaking an island with. Yeah. That's what I don't understand. Obviously, I'm from the United States and over there, I understand how the brown people are getting in because they're coming just straight up. It's connected. I don't understand how the brown people are getting here. If they don't have a toilet, they obviously don't have the technology to get over here. Unless we're helping that, unless you guys are helping them, which obviously is sort of happening. Yes. It's boats. We're an island. You get two islands on a boat. Yeah, but I feel like the technology here is kind of to the point where the boat could be taken down. The boat could be taken. Oh, you mean like militarily? Yeah, of course. Oh, it could, but if we were. So why is that not happening yet? Because we're a Christian nation. And Jesus has to welcome the foreigner. I don't agree with that sentiment. And to. That's two things you disagree with the Christians on tape. I. Did I say I'm Christian? Keep me controversial. What's controversial about that? Well, Christianity is the new hot thing, isn't it? I would argue that most Christians don't like Indians. I would disagree with that. I think he would be wrong. I think they would say they love them, but. I don't think they like them. Of course, Thomas the Apostle himself has said to have gone to India and spread the message Christ there. That's not what Jack the fourth said, though. He said he didn't like Indians. Yeah, well, you know, that's within his right. Okay, so then I got you. Then why is your example better than mine? That will be a question for the audience to decide. The lower section. Amazingly, they're probably will side with you. Because they're not retarded, I would say. Or is that illegal in the UK and not allowed to use that word either? One man's murder's poems is another man's murder's poems. You might actually not be able to. It's another thing. You know, if you speak too loudly, you might have a Metropolitan Police at your door. I'm extremely scared. Knocking and. Borting you. I want to get out of here. I don't. There are truly too many immigrants. And you would say thank you. I'm. Yeah, I would. They're going to give me a free ride back. That's a really thankful. Hey guys, sorry for the interruption. I have to let you know that today's episode is sponsored by HelloFresh. With the fall coming around, HelloFresh has doubled its weekly menu options and is now including seasonal recipes and dishes from around the world. What they're also doing is offering steak and seafood options for no more than the usual price. How is that possible? You'd think that would cost more money, but then it doesn't, it's like, why are they doing that? It's because HelloFresh is in love with you. 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One per box with active subscription free meals applied is discounted on first box and subscribers only varied by plan that's HelloFresh.com/maton10fm to get 10 free meals plus a free item for life. The lower section of my leg began hurting weeks ago and became purple. Now it's green and leaking. What does this mean? It means that you should see a doctor, but I would go back to America first. Yeah, but what does the doctor have to do with my leg? He would just have solved the issue. That might be true. You could probably sort of solve your pain, although the other option of course is that you could just, you know, man up and deal with the pain. I'm not complaining about the pain. I'm not a liberal. So what are you worried about? I didn't ask you. I didn't say I'm worried. I said, what does this mean? I thought you said, what should I do? Do you say what does this mean? No. What does this mean? Oh, well, everything is meaningless. Meaningless. I don't see things that way. Just the teacher. What way do you see things? I think things have meaning. Otherwise. When are we going to break this up? When is this going to not be an uncultimate? And it's going to be something? You didn't even open it yet. It's going to be something absolutely just abominable. How do you know what it is yet? What is it? It's more unculted. But what's this one called? Liberal lies about the American right. This one's got a mention. Surely. Surely. Liberal. Let's see what some of the lies are. What are some of the lies that she's telling? Of course you already know because you've read this back to her. Yeah. I didn't want to spoil it for you. It's called slander. Liberal's art. Oh, well, it's worshipping the saying. It's called slander. It's called slander. It's called slander. It's called slander. It's called slander. I don't know about this. I completely agree with what she said. And by the way, is she wrong? Do you think she's wrong? Well, she was quoting somebody there. And disagreeing with them. What? If you agree with her, then you disagree with the quote. I have the, I remember every page of the book. I see. I see. So you've read lots. You just don't remember any of it. I know. I mean, have you ever watched a TV show? Yes. You know, if I asked you, if you remember the specific scene, you might remember the general gist of it, but you will not remember the specific dialogue I would imagine. Try me. I don't know what you've watched. What have you liked? Breaking Bad. House of cards. Okay, what happened on season three episode nine of Breaking Bad? That's the episode with the fly. Okay. I picked the, I thought that was seven. So I purposely went to nine. What about episode eight? I'm just joking. I've got no idea. Okay. I didn't watch television. I prefer a good book. So thank you. You're welcome. That seems like I got, I did. They've got the perfect stuff for you. Following up on the last question, how many more years until the UK actually just becomes India? Well, if what you mean is a majority non-British born population, that probably won't happen because people are being born in the United Kingdom, but it depends on, it depends on exactly what you mean. Well, for many things wrong with what you just said, one, those people are not British. They're Indians. I find British, but not English. Not British. Not English. They're Indians. I don't believe in birthright citizenship. Interesting. Okay. Is that something you believe in? We don't really have the same kind of concept of that here as you do in the United States. I mean, you have constitutional protection, such a thing, at least until. Well, I think we're getting rid of it, lovely. Yeah, so they say he's getting rid of a couple of constitutional members, it seems. Maybe even trying to run for a third term as Steve Bannon keeps saying. I think that would be fantastic, to be honest, because if I remember correctly, that wasn't, that it didn't start that way into. Yeah, I think it'd be great if Trump did away with birthright citizenship and then the term limit. So now you can run for three terms. And what happens? He comes back and says, "You get your third term." And not only that, but since. Why would he let Barack Obama run again? Imagine if you were on a telly that I was born in Kenya. That would be quite the moment in America. You know, he really was born in Kenya. I've talked to his brother about it. But that doesn't matter, right? Because. His brother said he was born in Kenya. You don't believe in birthright citizenship, so what does it matter? Yeah, I agree. I don't think. Yeah, Obama, he's obviously not American. Fine, but why does that matter? What is. You either care about if someone is born in America or you don't. Now, that's like a stupid question. Why does it matter to eat? Because I'm trying to survive. Why does it matter that Obama is not American? Because I want the country to continue going forward. So you said you're not in favor of birthright citizenship. Why not? Because, typically, I just. I'm a little racist to be completely honest. And I think that some people are better than others. Oh, I see. So it's because there are certain people who are born there that you don't want to be citizens. Not because there are people who are not born in the United States that you want to become citizens. So you said a lot too quickly. I see. You made it confusing and you're trying to sound more intelligent than me. I'll try to put it into a book and then give it to you. Maybe in the audible form. Or is that an audible? Might be easier to digest. But you missed this one. Look. That's what you are. She wrote a thing about you. Whoa. Demonic. Yeah. Is this real? Wow. You have a collection here. What is this like the extended edition? Demonic. I'm not going to spoil it for you. I really watched or listened to it. I don't know what type of CD that is. Look at that. One, one, one, two, three. You miss a trade by not going to six six six. Because she's not demonic. It's all beginning to make sense. Um. Is it a coincidence that no legendary philosopher is black or female? Uh, well, unfortunately, that's just not true. Okay. I knew you were going to say that. Yeah, I thought you might. Yeah. What you do is that like I'm talking about somebody who is understands a little bit about it. Not like somebody like you who knows a thousand different philosophers. If you asked a general person, they will not be able to name your black or female philosopher. That might be true. Do you know what that, that wouldn't surprise me. Can you, can you name, can you name five male philosophers? Yeah. Uh, that guy, John, uh, Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, um, and Trump. The guy, John, uh, it's from, Oh, and I'm called her by the way. Oh, yeah. Of course. I've got about her. Yeah. Well, then look at that. She's a woman. And I said male. So you fuck already failed. Now, well, she's obviously not a. Philosopher she's a political commentator by the way that was a trick on you and I knew that was gonna happen We just keep getting each other, don't we? No, I can get you I don't I mean I'm not gonna you check it out Wow, this is a cassette What is it? I'm genuinely interested in where you got these from This is extraordinary I would like to make the point by the way that Look how happy she looks She does look happier here. I'm kind of I'm kind of intrigued where because the other thing is that I mean these look like American hardbacks. Did you buy these and ship them to the United Kingdom for this purpose? No, I brought them with my suitcase to give to you. Oh, I see. Do I get the suitcase? No, I have to bring that back. Oh, I see I'll probably give you some bags if they deport you. Why did why did you why do you want my suitcase? I already gave you all the valuables or most of the valuable Yeah, but I'm not sure these will get so much in the in the second hand stores What do atheists think about Jews? They believe they're wrong about the existence of God. So one already a negative. That's pretty good I know I know. Yeah, there's there's any more where that came from. Okay. Let me hear about it. That sounds good Well, there's a lot for atheists. I think we're about to start agreeing with each other a little more. Well, what's your what's your least favorite part of Jewish theology? The whole thing is disgusting. Mm-hmm Oh my god, which beliefs that they have that you disagree with. I mean, they're they're crazy and evil Mm-hmm, and they're from hell and by the way, I'm not Jewish anymore before anybody says that again I wish that which of those those beliefs What which are the beliefs that that you've that you've looked at that they believe in the dislike? I don't even understand what you're asking me. They're crazy. They're evil and they're from hell That's not enough another book that you've read but not remembered that this is a smart one coming up I can't wait wouldn't it be best for atheists to take Pascal's wager and believe in every single non-exclusive religion so they can have the best shot at heaven No, because you can't believe in every single well you can believe in every single non-exclusive religion But that rules out some of the biggest rules out Christianity rules out Islam ruled out Judaism Okay, it probably rules out some schools of Hinduism and and Buddhism at least that haven't yet But that doesn't disprove my theory here at all because if you believed in one of those as an atheist that would just be one That would just be one. Okay, so then that doesn't disprove what I said. I said all non-exclusive as many non-exclusive So how many non-exclusive religions can you name? I couldn't think of anybody. I'm sure you could find like Images on the wall that describe these things believing in all non-exclusive religion, but if there's no such thing as a non-exclusive religion No, there are instincts such as you're an atheist. Congratulations. I'm not an atheist and by the way I'm not I'm just offering this to you not to me. That's very kind. That's very kind Pascal offered it to us both Although Pascal of course didn't think that you should literally just start believing something that's false Pascal's one of the most celebrated thinkers of a of history. He's a he's a wonderful person. You ever read him? I don't I don't know his name is too weird French. Yeah How do you feel about the French Not as positive about them as other whites in Trump. We trust. Oh, yeah, that's one of my favorite from culture It is penguin. Yeah, E pluripus. Awesome. What? E pluripus. Awesome. Is that in Spanish? Yeah, that's right. It's the encroachment of Mexicans in your country You know what that means? No, she's making fun of them. I see. Yeah, it's ironic like you said. You know what that means What This is awesome. Something like that. That's right. That's exactly what it means. It means immigrants out E pluripus. Oh really? And she's saying that's awesome. Yeah, how could how could she get any smarter? I know it's incredible But in just five compact discs six and a half hours. You should listen to this too I don't think he has the capabilities for that Really? What does he have the capabilities for? He's a baby with peanut butter all over him Oh, I see he's a baby Um, did you know that Patrick leaves under a rock and SpongeBob in a pineapple? I didn't know that. Yeah, okay. I just wanted to make sure that the British people knew that. Oh, yeah Yeah, SpongeBob is is huge here SpongeBob is huge here. Yeah, there are all kinds of theories about what it all means. You ever thought about the philosophy of SpongeBob? No, what about SpongeBob? Philosophy of about SpongeBob? Well, some people think that the main characters represent the the deadly sins Yeah, but they say that about every show I don't think that they say that you know, the main characters of friends represent the five deadly sins. No hurt anyone. I've never watched that show But I've heard that about the a ton of other shows. I mean, what would SpongeBob represent? SpongeBob, I think I can't remember who which is which because my memory is about as good as yours. I think that you know The star is supposed to be so you have an excellent memory by the way and With and mr. Crabs is of course greed Naturally, no, he's not even capable of being greedy. He's a crab. He's IQ is like four That's also true, but wouldn't you say that it's less intelligent to be greedy? Less intelligent less intelligent no because greed is is desire us to a fault It's okay to just desire things, but greed is desiring something. That's not how I interpret greed I interpret greed is taking from others and taking keeping for yourself Well greed is probably not having what others have in wanting it and then no, that would be jealousy or envy Okay, more deadly sins, but you that's not what you described mr. Crabs now. I agree. I think I'm not semantics You're doing semantics. You said jealousy and envy that's semantics. I think greed is probably bad thing. Do you think greed is bad thing? No Interesting You're talking where did you get this um? Son of a nut cracker. That's very intense to give him my nut allergy Are they all for me? What about your friends over here? Ah, no, they're not able to read. Oh, I see What's his name? Mike Mike the baby Mike Mike Mike Mike and then dad's Mike Um, what's that one? Adios America the left How the hell is she written so I'm actually serious. How is she written so many books? Does she write like one a year That is incredible. Um, yeah, Adios America the left plan to turn our country into a third world hellhold. We all know what she was Really wanting to say that well, what was she? I mean, I don't think she was really trying to keep it a secret It seemed like she was pretty clear. No, but I feel like if she could have got away with shithole. She probably would have gone for it That's semantics. That's definitely semantics But you can blame Regency publishing a division of Salem. I blame that guy. What's his name? Pasker Pasker. Yes No, the guy with the theory about uh, whatever it was. Yes, the French mathematician Blaze Pascal 17th century mathematician philosopher if she's quite young sh have that workout from what I don't even know what you're saying I'm trying to read something and you're giving me a lecture about I know it's somebody. I don't even know of their real I know it's difficult to read so I'll keep quiet. No, that's what I said about them. Oh, sorry. Sorry. I'm getting I could read this easily Even Somalia Doesn't want some allies. Oh, wow. You know what's funny is that she genuinely could be writing that like you that might be an actual quote that's what he know that's what literally what he says It does you thought I made that up it does ladies and gentlemen. It does that is that is what it says It's not just Somalia is bringing heinous cultural behaviors here and then claiming victimhood after an illegal alien from Mexico snatched a nine-year-old This is very vital. I mean, I do as you already know because you already read it Yeah, do you disagree with it by the way? It disagree with what? What she's saying? Are you denying that an illegal alien from Mexico snatched a nine-year Lamarigan girl offer bicycle in Ohio dragged her to his house and repeatedly No, I'm sure he did okay, and you and you think that's okay? No, I don't okay, then it seems like you and I and culture on the same page here We're on that same page. Yes, but I'd like to keep turning and see if there are more that we're not Well, you know, which I'll do when I go home because I mean this is this is quite the quite the reading list Um, if a genie gave you three wishes, why would they be? Hmm Am I allowed to ask for more wishes? No Um, I would probably ask for a loss of money only because there are a few other things that you can do a lot of money a lot a lot of money Although in a way, maybe you should wish for a loss of money because Um, maybe the best thing that could happen to us is to just get rid of our possession They're on the streets for nothing. You need a genie for that. That's true. That is true. Although maybe maybe you do because we're so desperately attached to our possessions That we really do need an exterior influence. So actually allow us to let them go Yeah, but these exterior influences being commanded by you So you'd still have the same difficulty giving that up. Well, that's yeah, it's sort of To pay ahead of you on this depends on you if you're free. Well, of course Um, I don't know. I'd ask for I'd ask for money um because there are so many things you can do with money Even if you just give it immediately away There's almost nothing to give it away. I would certainly well, it depends how much money you would then you would completely Make the amount of money meaningless I don't think that's true. You gave enough away because of what you're essentially wishing there For there is the ability to determine how money is spent. This is completely different from the wish you just asked for, by the way, start with the money. And then I guess the other things would be wishing, I don't know, I'd probably wish for another book by Ankelta. Okay. I'm not a genie. I don't know why you're looking at me. And then I've been nice to you and I've given you a lot of gifts. That's right. And then maybe a wish involving my decision to do the show. Participate in the scene. Now, I did notice that you didn't wish for the equality of black people. That's true. I did not do that. But it seems like we're on the same page now. But with more Ankelta books, I'm sure that I would become so morally intellectually persuasive that I'd be able to convince the world into anything I wanted it to. Which may I won't. I don't even understand what you just said. Are you agreeing with her or not? I'm agreeing with some of what she said unseen. Are you disagreeing what she said about Somalia and Somalians? Well, what did you say that Somal even Somalians don't want Somalians? Even Somali doesn't want Somalians. I wouldn't know. I've never been Somalia. Have you? That's not how going places work. I could still still hear the news from there. That's true. But I think that, you know, to, to, you think I would go to Somalia. What? So they can eat me? I'm not sure. It depends where you went in Somalia. I don't think it's particularly safe. So maybe you be, I don't think there's a place in Somalia that you could go to that's safe. Really? You seem to know a lot about Somalia. I read and culture books and that's what's the capital of Somalia. I don't think they have a capital there. I don't think they have cities or anything. Probably a village like something like that. And that's incredibly. You've guessed right. Yeah. Oh, you knew that? Yes, right. Have you read the book about it from and culture? Not yet. But I can't wait. Which one should I start with? It was under here. Ah, this is a good one. The liberal victims in the assault on America. But to be honest, I actually like the one that I just opened about the Somalis. That one was really good because it's like I just opened to a random page and it was excellent. I just can't believe there are so many of these. This is the first edition. I know that. I wonder if they printed any. Maybe didn't make it past the first. That's not true. Otherwise, they wouldn't keep giving a box. Right. First edition. These are real first edition. Like it makes some money on the, I mean, if you want to resell them, feel free. I'm not giving you any conditions of what you have to do with this stuff. This is of course not a first edition. Why not? Because it's paperback. Maybe they only did that one. That's possible actually. But this appears to be a first print of the paperback edition anyway. Okay, so I was correct again. Oh, exciting. The Library of Congress has cataloged the Hardcover edition, so no. Which religion do you want to win? Invite a Vedanta. What? Advite a Vedanta? It's a non-Jewelist Vedic tradition. A non-Jewish-dueling religion? Yeah, it is non-Jewish. It's also non-Jewelist. I don't know what that means. It believes that there's only one kind of thing in the universe and that's consciousness. And why would you want that to be correct? Is that something you already believe in? More or less, yeah. So then you are religious. But actually, that just seems like a school of thought, not a religion. Yeah, I think it's better putting it that way. But most religions are better thought of the schools of thought than I wouldn't say that. I would say that there's a difference between those things. Where did you grow up? I grew up in Los Angeles. So in Western culture, we have a tendency to sort of put a big box around religion and call it a thing that we do like religion, job, you know, family. It's true in West Hollywood. There's a lot of gay people there, so they're missing religion. Yeah, and they probably put a box around that too. But traditionally, religion has just been the air that people breathe. If you went to a to even even relatively recently, you know, if you if you hadn't spoke to a to a Muslim in the early centuries of the Islamic calendar and said, you know, what's your religion? They might sort of be like, it's not really how we think about it. Let alone the Hindu and Buddhist traditions. Yeah, but you're cherry picking her. You're picking the ones that say what you want them to say. Well, can you name one that doesn't? Probably if I walked outside of where we are right now, I'm going to see about a billion Muslims. And I think, I don't know, probably a lot of them would disagree with that. Quite right, because we're in the West. That's why I said, you know, the first century of the Islamic calendar. Oh, you're referring from back in the day? From back in the first century of the Islamic calendar, which I'm I don't know what that means. Is that like the like in next January or is that like a hundred January's ago? No, Muslims date their calendar from a particular event in the life of Muhammad, his flight to Medina. That's where they start their calendar. So for them, it's it's it's literally. You laughed at that. You're scoffing at them like you better than them. But you know, you know, what happens if they're right to you? You're screwed. Might be right. Yeah. Okay. So maybe take up on that guy's. Nice guy's offer. What guy? Pascal. Oh, Pascal. Yes. Yes. Of course. Even though you're an atheist, do you ever round up at Panda for charity? Do I ever round up at Panda for charity? Round up. When they give you that little thing, 25 more cents and you give it to. Oh, um, typically no, I don't do that. I actually don't either to be honest. Why don't you do that? You hate pandas? Uh, no, it usually doesn't go to pandas. You usually go to some allians. Right. I, uh, I do think, um, there were probably more effective ways to spend your money. Or at the very least, if you're going to donate 25 beats charity, it probably doesn't matter in that instance. I often do press the button. But if you press the button, if you're going to, oh, big shot has so much money, huh? I know. I know. What can I say? What about people who can't press the button? They should feel worse than you. You'll get there eventually. No, hopefully those are some of the people that will be helping. No, I mean, those are probably just like, like lower class people. They're not like unable to eat people, I would say. I see what you're saying. Okay. Well, I want everyone to be in a position where they can spare 25 feet. That would be nice. But then there would be no reason to spare 25p. Quite right. This is the issue with your wish earlier about the money. Things like Coca-Cola, it said, wouldn't that be nice? Why would you want everybody to be addicted to drugs? Because we'd probably be and there'd be no standard of reality to compare it to. And this is what I'm talking about. The issue with these people. They have no morals. Yeah. I say atheists. They're like Jewish. That's, that's quite right. Yes. What's your moral philosophy? What do you think makes something right or wrong? Are you talking to me or the that baby? I'm not sure that I'm capable of much more than that noise he's been making intermittently since I walked in. Why? How do you know that? Well, I haven't tried. But I'm not sure. You haven't asked him a question. Just assuming stuff. Well, I haven't been introduced. I already told you his name. He told me his name. That's not the same as introducing somebody. You don't, I mean, I can tell when you don't introduce, when you're not, when you're not introduced to somebody, you automatically assume that they're not capable of being asked a question. You know the king's name. Yeah, my name is to him. I think Charles, Charles, yeah, doesn't mean you know him just because you know his name. I would assume that he's capable of answering a question though. I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be so sure. But yeah, okay. How's it going? Yeah, just as I thought. I think he just doesn't like you because he can tell. I mean, I hate to be prejudiced, but that's that was actually that was more of a post Judas after the past, you know, half an hour sitting in it. What did you say? A post Judas. Punch Jewish? I agree with that, by the way. I'm not going to fist bump that one. That's exactly what you just said. He's trying to talk to you. Is it healthy to stick a needle in your eye and spin it around? No. Okay. Why don't philosophers take steroids to become smarter? Does steroids make you smarter? There's probably a kind of steroid you could take that would affect the brain. And also it is said that, you know, healthy body, healthy mind. I think that if you get in the gym and muscle up, you probably actually do have a genuinely better functioning mind. Okay, but I'm not sure if steroids make that so artificial that it doesn't have the same effect. So why are you not on steroids then? How do you know? I'm not. I mean, unless you're taking them and they're not working very well, you're a pretty skinny guy. That might be right. I could. You also don't have great reflexes. You flinch at that. If you're on steroids, you'd be so powerful that you would have let me even hit you if I had tried because your head would be so strong with steroids that my fingers would have been broken. Nice try. Yeah, I, perhaps, but they're all kinds of steroids, right? People take steroids for medical purposes. For the metal head. For the what? Metal head. Metal head. So if you get punched in the head, the other guy's hand breaks. Oh, is that a thing? That's what they don't let the UFC fighters take them. That's why I don't flinch when you, when you, you did flinch. I'm not sure that I did check, check the tape. I will, you did, you went on. I didn't give a massive flinch, but I also didn't do a massive attack. I cannot wait for you to cut back to an edited clip of me. You went like this. You went sort of comically, like badly edited, just like flying off to the side when you just like that. You're going like that. That's right. And you're claiming that that's not what you did. I, you know, maybe my memory isn't very good. We've already stopped a shot. You flinched again. I blinked. Yeah, I'll give you that. You know, that's a form of, you're doing semantics with me again. This is the whole game. You get enjoyment with doing this to people. Hey, I didn't flinch. I blinked and moved. I'm having so much fun. This is fun. Absolutely. It's making me angry here. You know, you're not paying me. Well, because it's self promo for your, for when you write a book one day. Yes, that's also true. When I write 15 votes. I don't think you'll be able to get there to be completely honest. It takes a special type of person. I can agree with that. Um, if religions aren't true, how come monks can flow in the air with just their mind? Well, I don't think that they can. Um, but some people genuinely, I've seen videos of it. Where have you seen those videos? All over social media. Really? Yes. That's great. And do you believe everything you've seen in social media? I mean, no, but I know those videos are real. I didn't know that because I saw it with my own eyes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's great. You haven't seen the videos of that happening where they go. They're like kind of, I have seen those videos, actually. And some people do really believe there are, there are some sort of ancient reports of, you know, monks levitating, but it does seem that the only thing that the videos are not ancient at all. They're in 4K. Yeah. I think the, the, the modern ones are a bit more suspect. I mean, I've seen David Blaine do the same thing. No, but David Blaine is a magician, right? Yes. Okay. Exactly. Well, you know what they say about magicians, what they're not supposed to do? What's that? They're not supposed to reveal their tricks. So it's possible that he's just really a monk. Exactly. And it's possible that the monks are really just magicians. They might be talking about the same thing. No, no, that, you know what's the issue with that? Tell me that the monks have to be honest. It's part of the religion. Yeah. I thought about that. You're quite right. Yeah. They must be floating. Okay. I'm glad that you can be honest and meet when you're wrong. It's one of the best character traits person can have. When was the last time you were wrong about something? He's been a while. Yeah. I bet. How do you get like that? Like what? Okay. This is a smart one. Would you prefer French fry or cockroach? Probably a French fry right now, although a dry cockroach, why not? I'm not asking if you would try it. I'm asking which do you prefer? Oh, then I would imagine that cockroaches are probably significantly more impactful to the ecosystem than French fries are. So probably the. I'm asking about eating. Oh, then a French fry. Why is that? I think it's probably tastier, although I've never tried a cockroach. So you're assuming stuff. You don't really know that to be the case. That's right. Okay. Do you assume that the external world outside of this building still exists? Do you assume that gravity will still work in five minutes? No. Henkel's has got this great book about which justifies the continuation of general relativity. Somebody has read all of her novels and that she actually says that with the observer effect phenomena of quantum mechanics, it's really interesting. It hasn't come out yet. She's coming on the podcast next week to talk about it. Really? Well, that kind of transitions into what I was going to say. We're going to have to end here because Longneck is coming and I finally was able to get a hold of him and we can now film with him that I'm in. Longneck. Longneck. Yeah. He's longneck. He's also a philosopher. He went to, I believe, what's that thing called the university here? It's one of the top ones here in London. In the UK, generally, what is it? The top university, I think, now is Durham, actually. No, he didn't go there. You might be thinking of Oxford or Cambridge. Yeah, that one or King's College London. Cambridge. Cent Andrews. No, Cambridge. He went there. He's actually a professor there. I've been trying to get him on my show for a while. He actually created Game Theory. He created Game Theory. He created the idea of it. He's one of the originators. I kind of doubt that. Not that he did that. Well, that's because as we just established here, a big assumer. That's true. That's right, because you don't assume that gravity will stay working in five minutes. So good luck. Good luck to you. Watch your head. I'm not, well, I'm nothing to be scared of because I'm not assuming that it won't. Why do you assume that I will continue to understand the words that are coming out of your mouth? How do you know that my brain chemistry hasn't just altered? I know Longneck. I don't believe in brain chemistry. I'm not, I don't believe in that science. So what do you believe in? I believe in, yes, it's enough about me, you know, what do you believe in? No, because it's your interview. If I, I do, mind you now. What do you believe? No, that's not how that works. I believe that that's not how it works. You believe that that's not how what works. So this is the word, those word tricks again. I knew that I was going to have to deal with this when talking to you. Yeah. What you sign up for. Yeah, but I outsmarted you most of the time. That might be true. I was able to, because I think the issue and why people get frustrated talking to AC is in philosophers is because they try to face them at their level. So when you're talking to us, like, it's like, imagine getting on the phone with a Pakistani guy and he's telling you your computer is busted and you really interact with him. You're saying, no, it's not my computer. It's working. And he goes, oh, no, you know what I mean? You're going to lose your shit. But if you do what you're supposed to do and go, this is not, you're a scammer. I see you across the street. I'm in London right now. I see you, man. You're at the, you're at the store trying to sell somebody a vape right now. Then you'll get away from it pretty easily. Did you understand what I said? It was that too high level for you. I think it was just about the right level. What a convenient answer. But you didn't seem like you really understood any of it. It seemed like you understood how to say that it was on your level. I thought you said this was over. Yeah, we stopped filming. Now we're just waiting for long. He's a little late. What's your head on the way out? What's wrong? It's a pretty big ceiling. Oh, just in case gravity starts working. You know, but I'm not assuming it will. I have nothing to be worried about. Yeah, but you just don't know. Do you see might as well, you know, play it safe. Yeah, but I'm also not assuming that I will be able to control gravity as well. I'm saying you're going to control it. I just said that. No, I'm saying I'm also not assuming that I won't be able to do that in five minutes. So what you don't assume anything about the world? No, you really are sort of free spirit. I am. I believe in the four. I'm a free speech activist. And I like the second amendment. Why do you like free speech? Why do I like free speech? Because I'm a patriot. Are you a patriot because you like free speech? Which way around does it go? And you like the second amendment too? Yes. I know you guys don't have that. I know I'm a fan of it in America. I mean, it makes sense that it doesn't make sense. You regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right to people, even bare arms, shall not be in French. I don't see it that way. It's just like shooting birds and stuff in the sky. That's right. They should write that down. Yeah. And first amendment's great too, which of course also protects religious freedom, you know, with Congress making their law respecting an establishment of religions. So if you're not so much a fan of the atheists, then I'm going to have a word with those. Okay, that's a very nice meeting. I can see how you like Trump. Why? Why don't get it? About the handshake. Okay. Maybe me long neck at the door. Yeah. All right. Well, I will see if I see him. Well, it was very nice meeting both and I hope that you had a lot to do. I take it. Yes. Oh, you almost forgot some of them. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, Thanks. And thank you.