Matan Finally Confronts Hans Niemann About The Cheating Scandal

Hello everybody, welcome back to the podcast for today's guest. We have Hans Neiman. Please welcome in. Can you come see in the middle now, please? For today's co-host, we have my manager of our flooring. Welcome in via flooring. Via flooring. Can you explain the meaning of that name? Can you explain the meaning of your name? But via flooring, since I can nickname. No, that's his legal name, viral flooring. Viral? Viral? Flooring. You grew up in America. You shouldn't talk like it's your third language. Viral flooring. But you have a view, how do you have an accent? Viral? You know how things go viral? Yeah, that's his legal name. Yeah, he makes things go viral. Mostly floors. He makes floors go viral. And then the floor is explode. Because they're so viral. The floor is going to explode? No, they explode on TikTok. They get millions of views and then the floor explodes. OK. I understand. So can you please pull the mic close to you and then introduce yourself to anybody who might not know you and all that one? I'm Hans Neiman. I'm a chess grandmaster. I'm the number 12 drink chess player in the world. I've been the US junior chess champion. I've been the national chess champion for the high school. And I had a Netflix documentary come out, which is what people see when we're seeing me. What do most people know you from though, obviously? Mainly from chess. I defeated the world champion when I was 19 years old. And Elon Musk made some jokes about-- When you hand him his little toy ball, he missed the shot so bad he fell off the table. You know, I actually used to teach chess to children in school. So I acquired an amazing degree of patience, which I think would be useful for this podcast. You acquired a degree of patience? Yeah. That's like a metaphorical thing though. By spending a lot of time with children. OK. Are you trying to call us children? I feel like you're only a couple years older than me, but-- No, no, no. No, I think it's just the important thing in life to our patience. Yes. Would you rather have a million dollars or a million frogs, each worth $10 million that you can only sell into a million years? I would want the frogs, because I could take a loan out against the frogs and take cash out of the value. Why would they give you a loan with cash on the value of they can only sell it in a million years, too? Because there's still some relative value. But the relative value is very low. You know, I like frogs. OK, so you-- I didn't say you couldn't use them for other things. I just said that you couldn't sell them. So you said 10 million frogs? A million frogs each worth $10 million. I could-- I could have $10 million. I'll send those frogs to, you know, to war. Everyone that dies, you now lose $10 million. I lose a frog, not $10 million. $10 million, because they're each worth $10 million. And $10 million-- in a million years. Does shoving eggs will beat up your ass to cheat in chess and make you gay? If someone did that, it might probably mean that. You're kind of switching on yourself here, then. I think you'd have to ask Elon Musk. Why would I ask him? Because he's the one who made the joke, which started everything. But-- I think it was some random comment or on Twitch, you may know. It was a random comment. Joke with some of these in between them, because it's like-- Well, it was-- yeah, that was something that the news took seriously. It was never a serious accusation. But I saw this video where they scan you with the metal detector, and they really checked your ass. Yeah, that was quite weird from the organizers. So clearly, they took it seriously. No, they scanned everyone. Like, you turn around. No, but specifically, they scanned your ass. No, they scanned all of your body from behind. They did that-- they did that in every tournament that you played. It was just that clip out of context looked like that. No, no, it wasn't out of context. I can show you other clips of them doing that to everyone, but-- But what's your chest rating was on? I'm curious. Well, I actually used to play on the computer. I had 4,000. But I wasn't taking it to-- 4,000? Yeah, I mean, it wasn't-- About 2,000 you mean, or what about 3? No, 4,000. I mean, last time I played, because the ranking system didn't make sense. You had 4,000-- It was? No, 4,000, elo. And he didn't make sense because they wouldn't give me players at my level. They gave me a guy 3,000 and he sucked. So I kind of stopped playing. Yeah, I'm a bit higher than 3,000. Well, you must be way higher, because I was 4,000. I was number one of the world online. But-- You mean the computer was number one in the world online? No, unfortunately not. Unfortunately-- No, yes it was. It's my brain. I was fucking right. I'm glad that we're on an intellectual path. In relevance to what I just said though, what's the problem with cheating and chess? Isn't it a game about being smart? Yeah, I mean, at the highest level, I wouldn't say there's a lot of cheating. It's certainly an intellectual battle. But some people are able to get passed. In the highest level tournaments, there's a lot of security. So, you know, as you said with the scanning, there's cameras, there's, for example, when you watch the game live, you're seeing it on a 30 minute delay. So when you're watching it, a lot of the relay of the moves are not being-- But is it really wrong to do it? I get that you're saying it's hard to do it. I mean, obviously, yes. But it's a game about being smart. Well, I mean, conditioning and training yourself is an aspect of any sport. But it would be very smart if somebody was able to cut their hand open and insert some maybe like a piece of metal. If someone did that, they would be scanned and caught. It's under their skin. But the scanners that they use, they use two different types of scanners. That scan for frequencies, and there's-- OK, but let's say they scan somebody's skin and it goes-- I mean, they have a-- What are they going to do? They're going to rip that skin open? I mean, I would say that-- What if the guy just gave me his hand and he had to have-- No, I think that the thing is, when it comes to sort of over-the-board chess, maybe you could use my idea here, actually. You know, I've done pretty well on my own. So I think I think I'll be OK. And what's your most racially controversial political take? I love Mexican food. That's not super controversial. I'm just looking for something racial. Something nasty. I'm going to get back to you on that. I'm going to-- No, I know what is yours. What is yours? What is yours? Well, I'm the interviewer. You're the guy being interviewed. But could you maybe give me some inspiration? After you. I just, you know, I've been all over the world. I've been to, you know, I've had the opportunity to travel at maybe 60 different countries. And I think the-- I have one, actually. Despite what the people around me say and what my friends opinions are, I actually do think black people should be allowed to use a public restroom. I'm sorry. But everyone's allowed to use public restroom. I think they should be allowed, despite what my friends think. The friends here? Whatever you want to infer from that. Well, personally, I find public restrooms disgusting. So-- So send the blacks to them. No, I think that we should make public restrooms. I think we should make it so you have to pay for public restrooms. And you're up. They have a thing where you pay like one or two euros. And it keeps them-- So the homeless people, they just sheet on the street? In New York, yeah, you have a lot of that. Yeah. No, in Europe. You know, in Europe, there's a bit more-- So there are a bit more communists and socialists so there are less homeless people. You can go into politics if you'd like, if you want to skip-- We can go into politics? Yeah, maybe later. I mean, I just asked you, you're most racially controversial taken. You didn't want to go into it. So you don't really-- Aye, yeah. You don't want to go into politics. Yeah, you know, the thing my most-- nothing comes to mind. I'm sorry. That's a lie. If you've been all around-- What about-- I'm sorry, what about me? You know, like, what about-- that's not only publicly things I've done. Like, makes you think that I have such a voracious-- Everybody does. Everybody does. Is this a-- did you ask George Santos this question? I don't think so. Why-- why him specifically? He's a politician, don't you think, that he would be more inclined to have a-- He'd be more inclined to lie because he's a politician. That I agree with. That's a real answer from him. That's true. You're not a politician, you're a chess-- Not yet, not yet. I don't think that would go well for you, but I guess if you're like trying to go down that path and not have any bad clips resurfaced, I guess this is a good way to answer. Yeah, well-- Do you think the stress from playing chess is the reason your hair is falling out? You know, that's an amazing question. I've actually thought about this. Because you have an unbelievable hairline for your age. Yeah, you know, I can see the beginnings for that as well. No, look at this. He doesn't even start anywhere. Yeah, how old are you? I'm 18, but when you were 18, I saw the beginnings of-- No, no. The reason why I would say that my hair grows quite quickly, but yeah, I did have a very-- How quickly enough? I mean, if I shaved my head, completely bald, I mean, like a military bus could last January. And this has grown back. And, you know, span of three months. So it's certainly growing. But it's not growing back right here. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. But thankfully, I, um, I looks maxed in other ways. I don't think so. I think I hide my view for sure. Shall we, shall we, shall we, did you get the implants to your legs or no? No, but should we stand up? But then you're not look maxing. You're just the most important person that I had magasie caro and Magnus. That's all I really care about. But they have a lot more money and prestige than you. So it doesn't make me prestige. Yes, but money now. I would you wish. Am I wrong? You know, my, um, my background is very diverse. Some Jewish in there. I would say that, um, religion is a, seems like a Jewish answer is a spectrum. No, that's, you know, your, your belief in goddess between you and God. Are you Jewish? My tongue is very Jewish. No, it's not. It's actually German because of how the, the names work in the, the lineage of it. Yeah. You don't look German. Well, that's, uh, that's a problem, I guess with, not my genetics, my genetics should make me look German. It's unfortunate. You don't think so. Okay. We'll follow up on that because you brought up Magnus. Do you think you could legitimately beat Magnus Carlsin in chess if his brain, fingers, eyes and ears were removed? I've beaten him so many times. Legitimally. Legitimally. I understand that you can make these jokes, but to the viewer who's not aware, you know, should be aware of the context that, well, a lot of my viewers probably don't watch chess. Yeah, they might, they might, you know, maybe this, uh, Netflix, I can make me the hurdle of the scandal. And you just speak English. What the hell did you just say? You said, blah, blah, blah, blah. Either they've watched the Netflix documentary. Okay. So perhaps they have some context or they read the news about the scandal or they saw, you know, chess YouTube videos are quite popular. There's a golfing chess. Other people might watch him. But according, you know, to the official chess federation, according to the chess mafia, I've been innocent. So, um, I don't believe it. You don't believe it? No. Well, I mean, listen, they, they came up with it too late. You add in way more than enough time to take whatever out of your ass. There was in there. Yeah. Yeah. And you're, you are smart enough to not try that method again. But the, you know, the thing is it's not a very serious. Sorry. Joe, Joe, Joe mama. Joe mama. He fucking got you. You are quite intellectual. Quite intellectual. It's hard to believe that you beat Magnus Carlson in chess when you just got Joe mamaed by a guy with an IQ of about 48. I think 48 is flattering. Okay. Well, that just hurts your case more. I just, uh, honestly, such jokes, you know, I weren't really in my, um, I just couldn't have expected such a joke. Do you have security or? Oh, God. That's my own manager. What would the security do? They would defend him. He was the one paying their bills. Have you ever thought about a new manager? It's not allowed. I'm not allowed to get into that. Uh, anyways, you never answered my question about Magnus. If you had no ears, no eyes, no brain. Well, the thing is is that I beat him so many times and one, I mean, yeah. I mean, according to the official record every, every, every one rental, it was legitimate. It's like if you, you know, if, uh, Tom Brady came here and you said that he wouldn't win legitimately or another, I guess him deflated a gate. Okay. Maybe you could, you could make jokes with him. Yeah. That's, you're right. He's the, he's the only, he only came to mind. You must be a cheater. Unfortunately not. Unfortunately not. Now it's interesting because a lot of the, uh, the, the great chess players now while they're doing it, when you watch Netflix documentary, was that your conclusion that you cheated? What? Because, you know, if you do, my conclusion about what about because if you look at the Netflix documentary, you know, but you said you watched it. If you look at the two chess.com CEOs, they both admit that there was no evidence and that I won the game fair and square. And those are people who have a serious financial incentive to, to, to say that I was not, you know, to, to, to, to not proclaim innocence and also Magnus in the documentary. I also said that I was completely innocent. So I understand like that. No, I was a little less clear about it. They proclaim you. Yeah. No, no, here's the thing. When you make, you know, the thing is is that, you know, you're a young guy, you're, you're 18 years old. When this happened to me, I was 19 years old. Yes. And it's important. I understand comedy, but it's also important to be, to have some tact and empathy over things that can destroy people's lives, you know, because there are, there are jokes that you can make that can be ingest. But certain things, you know, they really tried to ruin my life for something that was false. You know, so, well, I feel like if you're offended by what I'm saying. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not offended. I'm just trying to give context to the viewers, but you can, I didn't, I, you know, it's okay. Well, listen, it's just hard, hard for me to, to think about it because they did also say you cheated in 150 games. So that's not so they released a report, which is it contradicted in their own report, one of the leading, well, it doesn't matter because if you're saying that there are people with the problem, then you can use them for one thing and not the other side of their character, not no, I'm also saying that in that specific report, if you look at the timing of the report, they were, they didn't go, they only went public about this report, which is false. The majority of his false. And you should also false. Yes, it's completely parameter. Why would I take you seriously? You only get to take them seriously. No, no, no, no, no, but, but don't you think that if they said that I was innocent in that game and they're, I mean, I have to disregard them saying you cheated in 150 games, if you'll also disregard what you like when they say it. It's not about that. It's that the fact that they, you know, in their report and the in the documentary, they said that they wanted so badly for it to be true and they knew it wasn't that. No, but they have the reason, but that, you know, mixing the water to little and that specific case, they have no incentive to lie because they said that you didn't cheat before after you sued them for a hundred million dollars. They, they released the chest.com report shortly before I filed the, the, the lawsuit. But, you know, one important thing about that report is those accusations to clarify or an online games. And in the report, they claim that I admitted to all those things yet they show no documented admission. And I've discussed. Others saying you didn't even admit it to those who never even cheated in online chess. No, when I was 12 years old, there was one, the only instance that I've ever cheated in an online chess event. And let's, let's separate online chess is not rated, not ranked. It's not a part of the official chess. I was 12 years old. It's like, you know, and the other instances were not in games or any online. I feel like I've been on for about four minutes now and you haven't even got to the beginning of what would seem like the conclusion. No, I mean, the, the entire thing is very nuance and there's a lot of backstory. I mean, that's why, you know, the Netflix documentary is an hour and a few minutes long and there's a lot of different, you know, aspects of it. But the main summary is that you have to understand the timing of when I beat Magnus. It's been unequivocally agreed upon between all top players that, you know, that game was legitimate. There was nothing suspicious, you know, many, many top players have given interviews and supported me. Even my greatest attraction. Well, he's technically illegitimate to put shit in your ass and then have it go be, be, be to let you know where to move. Because if that's legitimate, then me and the top players, that never, that never happened. And there's never proof. That was never a serious accusation. Like that was, you know, all the media talks about it, but there's never, I mean, if anyone actually thought that was a serious thing, it's intellectual. I know that people didn't actually accuse you of that. I just like to believe that that's what happened. If, if you are, I mean, I guess that's just people are just obsessed with A&Bs. I think that's a reflection or projection of their personal, personal. I think that's a great argument. I think you could say that the first guy who suggested it was obsessed. I would say- Everybody else just liked the idea of it. I think it, you know, and the idea, it's a crazy story that could be, that I understand is humorous, but the whole concept of people actually believing it is honestly quite stupid. Anyone who actually believes that like, that happened, I question their intellect. Are you calling them stupid or smart? You're saying question they're in a like, that could actually be a good thing. You question how they're so in a like- I mean, the way I used it sort of had a negative connotation. I don't understand connotation. Do you plan on going to college, Matan? No. Did you finish high school? No. What did you drop out? Effectively, yes. What year? I forget what it's called the second year of high school. I was 15. It's your sophomore year. Yes. Is that, in some places, it's legal or not legal? Did you take a GED or did you graduate? I did online school. Online school, okay. But I didn't even complete it. I just said I was going to do online school. Yeah. Well, move on. 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No, no, I mean like there's, let's say a thousand **** all trying to collect. I think collect. I might have found them bound. Yeah, collective **** never equals genius. Is it actually going to help them or get lower because in a fighter will help them. That's what I'm saying. Let's say you get a UFC fighter and you give them 50 ****, they're going to have a tough time beating them. Yeah, and **** are pretty crazy. So I could imagine that they're even harder to fight because they had no concept. If it's the same logic, the more people you versed once the harder it gets. But it's an intellectual game, so there's no physical advantage. I think if you were versing 100 normal people, it would be harder than one normal person in chess. I don't think it make a difference. I think you would make a difference because one guy would obviously just have less ideas going on about the game than you. If it's a normal person who hasn't, doesn't have experience with chess, I don't think it make a difference. One normal example, I could play you a chess completely, you know, blindfolded and I mean, I'm the underwater world champion. And what does that mean? So do I go to hold your breath the longest? No, so we play chess underwater in the boards and a water and you have to dive, you make your move and then you play chess underwater. Are you the champion of that because nobody else is willing to do it? No, I actually beat the number two player in the world. Who is that? Fabiana Caruana. Okay. So yeah, you can actually refer to me as underwater world champion. If you'd like. And you can refer to me as the champion of Blacks, but you won't do it. Why are you the champion of Blacks? Because, uh, why do I have to explain it to you? I'd love to explain it. I think I would like just, I would like you to just regard me as that. But I need some context. No, you don't. Do you think those square watermelons taste normal or like square? You know, I actually had the best watermelon in a Kazakhstan in a city called Eralsk. That is nothing to do with what I just asked you. Perhaps I have a more of an interpretive understanding of the question. Have you seen those square watermelons on Instagram? Yeah. Do you see they square? No, I haven't. Okay, well, those are square watermelons. Do you think they taste normal or like square? I don't know. I don't know. I think watermelon and and kool-aid would be nice. That's a black joke, but that still doesn't have that much to do with what I asked you. I'd have to try it. A cowboy rides into town on Friday, stays two days and leaves on Wednesday. How is this possible? You know, I think such intellectual questions are beyond my comprehension. I think it's a riddle. It's barely a question. I just such a stick to chess. You don't have an answer for me? Honestly, no. Think about it. I'll read it again. I'm speechless. I have no idea. I have no idea. Because the horse is named Friday and then it lives on a horse named Wednesday. Oh, well. I'll give you another one. A cowboy rides into town on Friday, stays two days and leaves on Marcus. Marcus must have been very generous. Who is Marcus? Good friend of his, I suppose. What are you talking about? He left on Marcus. I don't know what you're talking about. Perhaps it's the IQ gap. I think my IQ is probably way higher than yours. What haven't you pursued something more intellectual? I feel like this is as intellectual as it gets. Chances for people who think they're intellectual, are really intellectual, that would pursue real things. Chances for people who don't look like they're intellectual. What do you consider yourself like a businessman who makes money? So for you, this is about money, it's about comedy, it's an art. Not art, it's like business. So this is purely a money making endeavor. Yes. Why are you moving away? No, not because you move the the mic. Okay. So how is the money making going? It's going great. Maybe next year I'm on track to make 13 million dollars. And what's the majority of that from? Is it sponsors or endorsement? Windows. Bulletproof windows? What is that? Why bulletproof? I didn't say anything like that. Because these windows in here look so nice. I mean, are they custom or? They came with the office. That was just there when I got this space. Okay, amazing. I didn't know you had such an intrigue on Windows. No, I just just appreciate the, you know, the finer things of life. Are you the type of guy who would put a weight in your fish? I actually did see that. I did see the, the, the weight of the fish. The weight of the fish. I honestly, I really, I don't like boats. I get quite nauseous on boats. I'm not really into fish. I could, that's absolutely nothing to do with what I am. No, I couldn't, no, I couldn't imagine myself. I'm saying because it's a cheating tactic to win the game. Something you're proud of. You might be well versed in, unfortunately. Actually, you are. You, you, you did cheat in the online games. I can say that with a fact. Yeah, when I was young and in relevant games with no money on the line. Well, I didn't cheat in chess when I was 12. In irrelevant games with no money on the line. So technically, I'm a, did you cheat on your homework in school? I didn't do it. Did you, oh yeah, I guess I guess you're too shy. Yeah, you weren't expecting that answer, huh? I didn't expect this intellectual battleground. Who's winning so far? I think we can let the viewers decide. Well, they're my viewers, so they're going to be very biased. But yeah, I suppose they will be outside of the fact that any of the ones who know you probably don't like you, adding a double bias. I disagree. Double points for me. Do you have any friends? Very few. Why is that? Is it because you're so busy with chess or is because you probably have some form of autism? You know, the autism I thought about. Have you ever been tested? Have you? No. I've been, perhaps you can go and get autism test together. I'm kidding. Of course, I've been tested. They test you when you're a baby and I didn't have anything. Yeah, perhaps an extra checkup is. Because autism is for people who have a messed up brain and I don't have that. I wouldn't say, I think it's an advantage. I think some types of autism are a great advantage. If you want to feel less bad about eating a live cow, then maybe. But if you want to interact with people on a normal social level, then no. Well, that's a spectrum. There are people, obviously, who are more socially isolated because of autism. But yes, it gives you unique abilities. A lot of chess players on the spectrum. Oh, yeah, definitely. That's why I asked that question about if you had any friends. I have some friends, but mostly within chess and I try to stay focused on competing. Oh, shit. Are you rich for Rick and Morty? [Laughter] I get a picture. I'm sorry, man. You got it, man. Good. Thanks. Who did he think you wore? Rick for Rick and Morty. It's flattering. What's the relation there? No idea. Did you shove the [bleep] beads up your [bleep] to cheat? Or was there another reason? I've never used the [bleep] beads. I don't think I ever going to try it. You don't have to call this again. Give me a break. Let's just interact with you like you did. Let's just say you did. But why are you so obsessed with the [bleep] beads? Why am I obsessed with it? I think that you keep asking about it. Because that's what you're known for. I've seen you use that argument on everybody. You go, why are you obsessed with the [bleep] beads? It's like because that's what you're known for you really believe that that happened i i i think it's uh. positive camera and say like and then we'll you can see if that you can see me no but i wouldn't do you don't worry why because it seems like you have a great great lawyer and manager who uh. you know fight those lawsuits pretty well i think it's a different way of handling legal troubles but not one that favorable towards you yet just like that you know but you and magnees now are good friends sure have you spoken with him since on any personal level uh. now and who do you think is a higher queue between the two of you uh. i would say myself yes have you taken in iq test i have actually what did you get uh. when i live in the Netherlands i took an iq test to get into the school or you have to get a minimum score to get in okay and i scored the highest possible and then the highest possible yeah so the that's probably the dumbest answer i've been given when someone's lying about my q_test basically the highest i'll give you is a one forty five plus and then they'll estimate what the school as a matter of fact that's actually the most awesome answer i've ever heard what did you score in your iq test the highest possible well i'd this school is was as well known as it's called the in our school and it's a good iq test capital after da Vinci uh. similar say you know c_d_ similar impact in the world but yet the score is being similar names yeah and and into and you know contributions to the world but yet that score was what a one forty five plus and then they estimated it to be in the one eighty one eighty range so why didn't you just open with one eighty because that you know the highest official score is one forty five plus and they estimate it passed there but they don't give sense um. you know if you take in another and i took that touching the test in dutch my second language it well isn't mostly about squares and stuff no but there's also speaking port because when i took it a long time ago yeah i did it and mind you i was eleven years old and i got a i think it was uh. twenty sixty and i didn't even have to have a therapist with me when i did it and well we should start playing chess maybe i'll uh. teach you well i feel like if i have a way higher q i don't need to teach me i feel like i could get the hang of it pretty good just you could just start using it and you'll be great in no time no but since i have such a high q i don't need to but considering how often you mention it i think it's something that you could be you're very passionate about i like the fact that you have this come up here is morgan you know i was gonna say i saw i saw the interview and you said you'd seem so you told him to say that it's a bit weird when you know it's not true i understand nobody but it's a comedy show it's a joke no it's a business show it's a business show but i like i like your comeback because you're telling people every time they ask you about it is you say it seems like you have an obsession but it's a bit we it's you know but the funny part to me is that i'll probably never mention it again but anytime anybody talks to you for the rest of your life they'll probably be thinking about it or they'll think about that i'm the role of the champion but that's not true i guess it's a matter of time i doubt they're going to be thinking that you're the old the world chess underwater champion or whatever the hell you know i mean that that that's you know that's more of an exhibition time it's much more likely they're going to think about you shoving stuff up your it unfortunately because of how the media is you know that was a big story but i personally you can put it anyway you like but that's the reality um to some degree that's the unfortunate reality that was peddled by the media and unfortunately by Elon Musk but i personally believe that when i become the world champion one of the greatest chess players of all time that my achievements will overshadow that and obviously as time goes on people you know we'll realize that it was just a joke and that you know the the seriousness of my real achievements you know we'll outweigh the unfortunate there will still be that blemish even if you get what you like it's certainly uh but you know the blemish i really had no control over everything kind of just spun out of control from Elon's tweet that you seem to be blaming Elon a lot did he do anything besides just make a tweet but he had just had such a large audience that if it wasn't from if it was from anyone else but him known would have taken it seriously to that degree so yeah generally i'm a big fan of Elon Musk you like Elon yeah other than that he's actually I agree he's extremely cool and he's not a liar and he's extremely good at Diablo and path of exile too yeah the Diablo is a bit of bit controversial you think he paid someone to boost his accounts um it's like asking if you put that stuff in your ass yeah that that i disagree with but he does do you know has a great positive impact in the world don't you think um think he's developing humanity in maybe in some ways but not by he i don't think he really cares to help humanity i don't really think that's his ultimate goal well i think knurling has you know it's a very positive thing from i completely agree actually i think the idea of being able to control those worthless people and get them start working time let's have it do it don't but don't you you know for example one of the for the first knurling patient was able to play chess with his mind see that's worthless how about he picks up pieces of wood and starts putting houses together well that's why he has the robots he's making what do they call again the um yeah he's making his new robot company but yeah why does he need a Mc knurling i agree i agree i agree some of the AI stuff is a bit scary but generally i think he's he's he's a net positive for human if women are truly as smart as men why are there no women currently rated in the top 100 chess players um i would say that there are less women who play chess and can't be that much of a difference like one per hundred there's no way um this this thing is is you know when you have separation between men and women sports there's less of an incentive for the woman to let's say you know the number one let's say the best chess player of all time was Judith Polgar and she was actually number six in the world competing with men um and she was probably cheating definitely definitely not she got that high up and it was a woman it's for sure actually well she was raised in a very special way her three sisters were very talented in her father was a psychologist actually netflix take a marry about her called the queen of chess um you know perhaps you and her share the same 260 IQ but I would um I don't have a 260 IQ sorry 280 I have the highest possible yeah that'll be a good clip that'll be funny um but in terms of women's chess I mean a lot of sports there's usually difference but in chess particularly there's far less women their brain can't handle knowing that there's so many pieces and a lot of the pieces have different movesets I would say it's brain start to go yeah I would say more that it's because when if you were the number one woman's play and the woman's world champion you don't have much motivation to push farther than that because you're already because you know there's no chance no because you have sponsorship you have I mean if if men and so you know boys and girls are in different um sections for youth tournaments like the under 18 roll championship there's different sections so I think you also have women's titles so there's a woman grandmaster there's a woman national master so if you remove some of this operation and it's interesting they have to separate it well all most sports of separator at but chess but most sports are physical yeah chess is obviously on his physical but there are some aspects not physical at all I mean playing chess for some I guess maybe you'll play worse if you just ate a bunch of shit and you have a headache I would say you know if you're overweight and you're not in good shape your brain it doesn't know that's exactly what I just said yeah I feel like it's a lot less of a factor than basketball obviously not as much as the typical physical sport but you know people who are healthy you know healthy brain is healthy and healthy body is healthy mine so I would say that you shouldn't prove in I think that's just so that you have to pay to see the doctor otherwise they'll be out of a job I mean people who mental and physical performance are closely tied I knew a guy had one of those warts on his hand or whatever it's called that thing where there's a huge bump and it bleeding all the time and the doctor said he had cancer and that he will die if he doesn't have a surgery immediately but the guy actually was able to take it off himself and save himself hundreds of thousands is not close to a million dollars that's great for him no I agree some some some of the doctors want to scam you some guy died immediately after and that's when your friends not anymore he died horribly painfully screaming in agony okay his last words where I should have went to the doctor I'm gonna assume that's a joke no not at all oh what's his name you have trouble telling if things are a joke because you have some form of autism no no I just I assume everything is a joke because of the context of this part because of how you are raised because in the beginning you assumed everything was in a joke so now I would say actually if you can maybe you have another podcast with other chess players you'll find that among chess players I'm actually normal on that scale yeah because you're not really a chess player you're a normal guy who is able to figure out the best way to cheating so you're really just like a normal guy like me but I'm really actually like the highest possible I don't think I can fist bump on that you're fucking shutting me down are you pro choice pro life or pro abortion don't they contradict each other which one of them shows some pro abortion the same thing no Pro-choice is giving the woman the choice. Pro-borshin is making a mandatory abortions. I think the gift of human life is a beautiful thing and I should be encouraged. So you're pro-life? I think that, you know, having children is a blessing. But if somebody has unfavorable genetics, then maybe. So, I wouldn't be in favor. I don't think anyone is in favor of eugenics. I'm in favor of eugenics. Is it illegal still or no? And most of the role I would assume is illegal. Perhaps in some, on less developed countries it is. Well, less developed countries probably just haven't thought about it yet because they're concerned with like growing a tree. But in developed countries. I mean, yes, some less developed countries have more flexible laws and maybe dictatorships or more corrupt laws. Well, they just don't have any laws at all, really. In like Somalia, the focus is if the lemon, if you eat it, if you end up like Eve. Well, yeah, I mean, not everyone in the world is lucky to be as developed as America. It's not a luck thing. It's basically eugenics if you think about it. I wouldn't say that. I would say that. This is quite the political podcast. You wanted to get into politics yet. I'm saying a bunch of stuff and you won't give any opinion. Well, barely signaling you're like, "I'm short of pro life, but I won't give a take on it." But I want to talk about politics, but you won't say anything. I mean, that was mainly because if you're sort of the racial question really caught me off guard. That was quite the opening. Similar to the question I just asked about women, do you think the average chess player could beat a WNBA player at basketball? Chess players are incredibly unethletic. Okay, but I'm talking about WNBA. No. No? No. I think they should set that up. I think that would actually be a very interesting match. Yeah, probably the best high school men's basketball team in the country would beat the NBA. Well, that's not even a relatively serious question. Everybody knows how that would go. Yeah, no, I agree. One of the lesser five star high school male basketball players has probably done more dunks in a game than in WNBA history. Yeah, no, I agree. So what about chess players like you? Because you actually don't seem horribly unethletic. Maybe. Do you like a little less than the average guy, athleticism wise? Yeah, if I spent a lot of time, maybe I could kind of fit in. No, right now. Like, obviously. I actually just played basketball in pairs. And like, a pick up basketball game went pretty well. But I am not too confident in myself. You know, despite all the nasty things I said about you so far. And that being my general opinion, I will disagree with you here. I think it would go well for you. Thank you. How many points do you need to become a grand wizard? Of clash of clans? No, of chess. Clash rail? No, chess. What's chess? I don't give the joke you're doing here. You're pretending not to know. Personally, I'm a grand wizard of Clash rail. So I can say that, you know, I reached about 6000-- You know, grand wizard. I'm the grand-- I reached about 6,000 trophies in Clash rail, which I think makes me a grand wizard. A grand wizard wouldn't be thrown off by a racial question. The grand was a vase. Or the grand wizard of Compton. Yes. I don't think there's grand wizards in Compton. I think ideally they would like no Compton. You don't like Compton? They produce such great athletes like Serena Williams and Venus Williams. I don't even believe in them. Are they real? But going back to what I said, how many points will become a grand wizard? You have to reach 20,500 points. So right now, what is it? Is Magnus what is he, the ultimate wizard, ultimate grand wizard? It's called-- He gets to walk around in the robe. No, but that's a good idea. I'll suggest that. What would happen if he did that, would they disqualify him? There is a dress code, actually. So if he showed up in a kicker, kicker, kicker, out of it, he would be disqualified. It depends on the country. I don't know. In America, definitely. Okay, America, it's obvious because that's where it's formed. But like in France, what would they do? You know, considering this white cloth. It seems like this is your kicker, kicker, kicker outfit. No, no. I'm not a racist. Then why do you have this white cloth? What do you use this for? A green screen. You think in the actual episode, it's just going to be white cloths. But it seems like you would take this-- It's going to be like flying dragons in space. I felt like you would put the white cloth over your head, and you'd have a great outfit for your neck. I get it. It's what I was saying about Magnus. Would you consider yourself a comedian? No, business. Business? Do you think long neck would be able to beat you in chess if his brain was multiplied by 50? But not in a metaphorical way. He literally has 50 brains somehow connected to his body that are somehow working. Would he be able to beat you that? Who was long neck? The Rick and Morty guy. Oh, the long neck famous. You're the Rick and Morty guy. The famous guy with a super long neck. Yes. On social media. I think I've seen him. He has 50 brains, but they're all the same level. I think we should have a neural link copy his brain 50 times and test it out. Isn't that actually a good way of cheating a chess in the future, a neural link? In theory, yeah, it might be a concern. Is that actually a real concern? Has anybody ever considered that or did I just come up with a revolutionary concern? I've seen people make jokes about it before, but I think that I don't know. Chess players are very paranoid about everything, so I feel like they'd be worried that it would mess with their mind. A lot of chess players don't drink. I think almost no chess players do any drink. They're very conscious of not trying to mess with their mind. When we're done filming in a second, because I have to film with long neck. He's my next guest coming in in like two minutes. Long neck. Yeah, you'll meet him in the hallway, you know, on the way out of here. When we're done filming, will you reveal to me what you, how you did it? I'll tell you the truth, which is that I didn't do it. I get what you're just filming, but like once we're outside. I recommend everyone watching Netflix documentary and decide for themselves. Is that a self promo or is that a promo for Netflix? I can't tell whether to believe it or not. That's a promo for Netflix. I'll think about it. I'll decide in post. Well, that's it. I have to film with long neck now. But thanks for coming on.