Marvel's Avengers Doomsday Projected As World's First $3 Billion Film - The John Campea Show

Well, greetings and salutations, everybody. Welcome to the best end mover late show on the planner at the John Campy show. Cut it from right here in my dilapidated yet converted garage. I am, of course, your host John Campy. I'm joined today coming all the way from New York. Just made some big announcements. So we'll talk about a little bit later. But the one of the only Christian Harlow office here, everybody Christian, how you doing? Um, good, man. Thank you for, uh, I was trying to rush around. I got here. You guys are so cool. Thank you. Appreciate it. And of course, our technical producer, who this whole thing can't run without Jonathan Boykos here. Hello, everybody. Welcome to Monday again. Yes, it's yet another Monday. And listen, uh, just a little housekeeping here for those of you who might have missed it. I had to cancel this most recent leg of the movie meetup tour. I had a third party component has nothing to do with the van itself. It's one of the cut pieces of technology in the van that, uh, went haywire and just didn't make it possible for me to go out on the road. So to everybody in Nashville and Atlanta and Charlotte and St. Louis and, uh, where else were we going to do? I can't, oh, and Pittsburgh. Uh, my, my apologies. Uh, we will reschedule. I did put it on the community tab. I did put it on my socials and I did mention it last week. But we will get around to rescheduling those and we'll get going. Also, for those of you hoping to hear us talk about lanterns episode three, uh, we won't be doing that on the show today, but we will be talking about it a little bit later this afternoon in our lanterns post game show. Make sure you guys come back. That will be five hours from now at five p.m. Pacific time. That'll be eight p.m. East Coast time and what a hell of an episode it was. Uh, anyway, with that all down guys, let's get things rolling here, shall we? And we're going to get started off with this. You know, again, there is no debate and no argument. Ridley Scott is destined for a volhalla of the world of directors. He's a first ballot hall of famer. He's one of the greats to have ever done it. What is also true at the same time is that he sucks lately. Um, you know, I mean, it's one thing can be true and the other thing can be true at the same time. And it didn't look like his latest offering of dog stars was going to be any better. I expressed some skepticism about it going into it. As of the last time I checked the critic rating is sitting at 32%. So it doesn't didn't sound like a lot of the critics who love Ridley Scott weren't all that one over by it. And apparently nobody else wanted to go see it either because when we go over and take a look at the box office results here, dog stars made eight million dollars on its opening weekend, eight million dollars on its opening weekend for a film that cost reported 100 to 110 million dollars to make not counting the marketing, which is another big chunk of change. This is going to be the type of flop that bards and the hills of Everdale will write songs about, uh, in its, uh, collapsible failure. Anyway, when we go over and take a look about how this kind of measures up to the last number of films, the last five films that Ridley Scott's put out, obviously we're looking at dog stars at eight million. Gladiator didn't do too bad. Gladiator two didn't do too bad. Um, I was not thrilled with the movie and making a little over 400 million in total. It certainly could have done better, but I don't, you can't qualify Gladiator two as a flop by any stretch. Sam can't be said of Napoleon. Napoleon was a disaster both in terms of quality and of its, but box office results. House of Gucci only opened a 14.4. It didn't do so great. And then the last dual, which I really didn't like, uh, only ended up making a 4.76 million dollars in its opening weekend. Although you could put an asterisk or two on that one. Still, that stands as it is. Now, look, I've said on the last episode, is it just time for Ridley Scott to hang it up? His, listen, he can make 10 more films. His legacy as far as I'm concerned is completely safe. His legacy is 100% cemented in the pillars of eternity. He's fine. His legacy is fine. But I think he's at 89 years old now. And the movies here, he's putting out are not great. And guys, I don't know if you heard his latest comment. He's saying that he said in a new interview and variety that he's thinking he's, he's planning on doing another aliens movie because aliens needs help after that. Okay. Aliens Romulus. I think it's just fine. Yeah, I'm sorry, Ridley, but alien Romulus was better than anything you've put out for aliens recently. It just alien Romulus was great. It's the first thing got me excited about the aliens franchise again for a while. So for, so whatever. But anyway, you know, Christian, you and I were talking about this a little bit before the show started too. But one of the other big things was I realized when you look back at the trailer, they kind of made the same mistake that the marketing for Denis Villeneuve's Blade Runner 2049 made, which was I still right now don't know what the movies about. Like the trailer told me the setting of the movie. So something happened in the world. It's supposed to pop a lift to movie. Okay. So we know the setting of the world. But I had no idea. It didn't, it didn't bother once to tell me it's like the, the, what you might call it, the bravado of the studio. You think all you need to know peasants is that it's Ridley Scott. And I really, I didn't know a thing. The same thing about Blade Runner 2049, which is a really good movie. But nobody went to go see it because the marketing never told anybody what it was about other than the fact that it was a sequel to Blade Runner. And that was supposed to be enough. So I don't think the marketing did it any favors. It certainly didn't look very good. According to the reviews, it wasn't very good. And now nobody went to go see it. What do you make of this result from dog stars? Are you surprised? And what do you think attributed to it? I'm not surprised unfortunately because of what you just said with the kinds of movies that Ridley Scott's been doing right now. And I, and I hate to do the broken record thing that we've, we, you and I have had this conversation many times, you know, we, you've made it separately in your show. I mean, it's up in my show is that unfortunately there are movies that sometimes land of do we give a little less money, but just let them do it on our streaming platform because it's cool to have a Ridley Scott movie on a streaming platform as opposed to let's dump in $100 million to a guy who's like you said, 91 or whatever he is and he's and he's out there making movies. He's not making it in the same time period that we're in today because the studio, like you said, it's Ridley Scott. Go see it. It's, it's, this is in 1992. You know, we're not, we, we need more than just the director's name because even Nolan, you're like, Oh, Nolan movie's coming out great. What is it? I'll go see it. But now it's about, it's, it's the Odyssey. Oh, now I'm really going to see it, right? There's only a few directors who have like the rock star thing right now. And it's him. It's Tarantino. Scressese has the interest still, but he's not guaranteed. You know, when he put him in with Leonardo Caprio, then you start to beef it up a little bit more, but, but yeah, so I, I could see why it, like you said, I didn't know what the movie was about. And I still from, from the marketing when I'm driving on the highway and I say picture of this movie, I'm like, great. What is it? I don't know what it is. Jacob Lorde is in it. Okay. Well, what is it? And like they still there promoting it on him. Like, Oh, Jacob Lorde, he's the big star now. That's such a bubble mentality because outside, he's still not that big of a name yet to where everybody knows who he is. Like he's not. He's getting there. He's close. But so that to me is, there's, there's a lot of factors, but I'm glad you brought up the Romulus thing. Romulus is awesome. That's so good. That's an awesome movie. And it is, and it is the most related to the original alien and how it kind of weaves in and out the other, cock me, me stuff he's been doing lately. I don't know. I think he's kind of lost touch. I love Ridley Scott, but I think he's lost touch. Yeah. Again. And I take no pleasure in thinking that or saying it. I mean, he's Ridley Scott. He's one of the greatest of all time. I, I want to see him do great. And I want to see him succeed. And I want to see the movies to do. Well, but it's, it's just a coming out and saying alien Romulus was okay. Right. I mean, I'm, I'm sorry. Ridley you lost me. I mean, just completely lost me. Anyway, guys, question is for you. What do you think about this? The news Ridley Scott film dog stars, which cost reported 100 to 110 million dollars to make, not to mention marketing has opened with eight million dollars. What do you think the reasons behind that are whatever you guys think, jump down to the comments section below and let us know your thoughts. All right, guys, with that down, let's move on and talk about this, shall we? Well, I went to go see coyote versus ugly. It's a little over a week ago now, I guess. And man, I couldn't have been more pleased than to report to all you guys just how good I thought it was. Now again, for me, it's probably not going to be in my top 10 best films of the year, but was it a thoroughly entered entertaining, laugh out loud, charming, heartfelt little film. Absolutely. And I could not recommend it highly enough. I think everyone should go see it, have a good time. It's a fun movie and I'm really glad I had a chance to watch it. That being said, I also had two thoughts. Thought number one was, I believe Kyrie versus Akmi was going to be really good. Because it's, you know, Lord Miller said it was great. The reviews look great. I wanted to go see it and it was great. But what I think was also true was that it was going to really struggle financially. And two things can also, two other things can also be true. One is that Kyrie versus Akmi can do better than projected and yet still be on pace to flop horribly. Kyrie versus Akmi opened up this weekend. To remember, they were projecting it anywhere between six and nine million dollars. That was the projection a few weeks ago, right? Six to nine million dollars a few weeks ago. Well, according to these numbers, and by the way, this is a little, let me refresh it. This is a glitch right now on box office mojo. It's right now box office mojo is only showing the Friday Saturday numbers. But it is 15.4 million dollars. Kyrie versus Akmi made six million more than expected and made 15.4 million dollars, which gave it second place at the box office this weekend only behind Spider-Man brand new day and ahead of the Odyssey actually. So it did better than expected. So I spent the weekend, or at least a lot of yesterday, seeing a lot of people celebrating that, that ha ha, see, it's going to be successful. Well, yeah, if it wasn't for a little thing called math, you see, the movie costs $70 million to make. Now Warner Brothers sold it at a discount for $50 million to catch up entertainment. So catch up ended up spending $50 million on it. Now, they also decided to really cheap out on the marketing campaign because catch up entertainment only has so much money and they did spend $50 million acquiring the rights to it. So they spent $10 million on marketing, which gives them an all in price of $60 million. That is not even how much it needs to make to break even. It needs to make more than that. Probably the realistic number is you're probably looking at somewhere around the neighborhood of probably about $90 million. It needs to break even. And at a $15 million opening, while that is much better than anticipated, it still puts it on a trajectory that, and guys, I've been saying this the whole time, and everybody rolls their eyes at me. But prove that Warner Brothers is right. You know how much Warner Brothers lost on Coyote versus Acme? They lost $20 million. You know much, they would have lost on Coyote versus Acme had they gone through with a full theatrical release and all that kind of stuff. They probably would have lost in the neighborhood of $40 to $50 million to $60 million. Now because of the fact that ketchup bought it at such a great discount and they cheaped out on the marketing, they're not going to lose what Warner Brothers would have lost, but they're going to lose money regardless. And then now the question is only about how much is it going to lose. But look, I am telling you what, if there was ever a movie that deserved much better than 15 million on its opening weekend, it is Coyote versus Acme. This is a delightful movie that more people should go and see. And the good news is it's still in some theaters this week. Do yourself a favor, go out and watch it. Christian, I can't remember, did you have a chance to see Coyote versus Acme yet? Sorry, I'm saving it because I was going to see it. I missed out on the screening and I'm probably just going to watch it when it hits on digital, I'll watch it on my channel, but I really wanted to see it. I heard nothing but great things about it. But John, I think there's something else that we're not talking about with what this really ultimately is, right? And I think that this is ketchup, entertainment, really becoming the good guys. And that was the PR win that I think that their company needed, right? Because they rescue this movie, like no. If it was a piece of shit and no one cared about it, you know, good job, dummies. You just wasted this money and bought nothing, but they didn't. They bought a sweet movie that people liked. It was a family movie. They put it out there. And now everyone's talking about ketchup entertainment. So it's like good publicity for them. They get out there. And it's not only good publicity to get their name out there more. It's the, especially the irony behind what the movie is about, you know, with the corporations and everything. And here's ketchup. And they're rescuing the little guy and they do it and they help and they do this. And so that is a win. Now the question is internationally. I just don't think that this movie is going to do much internationally at all, but we talked about it last time I was on the show is that the problem with this IP is that it reaches people like me and you, but it doesn't reach my eight or nine year old. I said to her, I said, do you want to go see this? Something that really, you know, she's like, and so it is like she's not, she'd sell trailers for it. She doesn't really care. She doesn't know what it is. She doesn't watch the cartoon. She doesn't really know at all. So she didn't give a crap about it. And that was a problem. I think because the story itself initially pushed people in to see it. But does that carry over into week two and week three? I don't know. But I think ketchup just goes. We did it. People know who we are now. Yeah. I mean, look on that level, it's, it's absolutely a win for ketchup. I mean, it's completely win. But at what cost? Because this, this is not Warner Brothers, right? This isn't Sony. They don't have a lot in the coffers. They don't have a lot of gold in the stockpile. And if they end up losing $40 million on this, I don't know how much that goodwill was worth. Because like you're right, to a lot of people, ketchup is the hero. And I'm certainly grateful I got a chance to watch it because like I said, it's delightful. There's, I won't tell you the context of the joke, but there's one joke in the movie revolving around predator repellent. That is one of the funniest jokes I've seen on screen all year. I laughed myself sick. And there are several moments to tell. But to your point, if you don't know the loony tunes, if you don't know coyote and if you don't know roadrunner and you don't know foghorn leghorn and you don't really know bugs bunny. And look, I hate to say it, guys. I don't want to age us out of the demo. I think all three of us are Gen X. I think we are at any rate. But I, I, I just think their entire age groups that do not have that connection to loony tunes like we do again, which is really too bad. Again, Warner Brothers is saying they were planning on a 30 to 40 million dollar marketing campaign. And I think that really would have benefited this movie a little bit, but I don't know what else it could have done. The trailers were at least the latest trailer was delightful. The reviews have been through the roof. They've been fantastic. It's had a lot of people championing the movie. And yet it still couldn't get any more than $15 million out to watch it on opening weekend. And I know and that over projected. And that, yeah, and that was overperforming and that was terrifying that it was only going to project nine million. That's right. Yeah. So it's end up going to losing them a lot of money. And at the end of the day, we'll, we'll see how much hopefully the word of mouth keeps going about it. And it generates legs. Because this is a movie, guys, that is worthy of your time. Did you go and see coyote versus acne? Only not many of you did. If you did, what did you think about it? And why if the movie is apparently so good and it is, why didn't anybody go see it? Anyway, whatever you guys think about it, jump down into the comments section below and let us know your thoughts. All right, guys, that down. Let's talk about this, shall we? Well, I think it was about a year ago that word came out that Zack Snyder had his next project lined up. And it was not to everybody's surprise. It was not the follow up to the smash success of Rebel Moon. No, no, no, no, not Rebel Moon 3, which is what we all really wanted to the worst films ever made in the history of cinema, by the way. And it wasn't a superhero genre. But rather, it was going to be something called the last photograph. And the synopsis fort came out and sounded interesting stuff like that. Well, today, they have dropped the first trailer for the last photograph and announced that it will make its debut at the Toronto International Film Festival a little bit later in the year. I think it happened since September. But anyway, it's going to be happening at the Toronto International Film Festival is when it's going to be launching out. And I watch this trailer today and I don't think it's all that good of a trailer to be honest with you. I think it tries to be very, I think the trailer tries to be very artsy. I think it tries to feel like a, what did you say? G'day, I'm Justin Wolfers, host of the Platypus Economics Podcast. 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So I was unimpressed with the trailer itself, right? But that doesn't mean the movie's not going to be great. Here's though what I loved about it. If you just showed me this trailer in a vacuum, I don't think there's anybody who would have guessed that the name on the director credit was Axe Snyder. And one of the things that I am often talking about, even some of our favorite directors is that I wish like Tarantino, you brought up Tarantino a little bit earlier, Christian. I wish Tarantino would be willing to get out of his comfortable sandbox and do something that's really different for him. Some of my favorite directors like that, like I've got some directors I absolutely love, but you could always tell what is their movie, right? They have one distinct style. I wish more filmmakers could be like a Steven Spielberg who can literally adventure out into any genre, right, and try something different. And this is about as different for Zack Snyder as you can get. I never in a thousand years in a vacuum would have looked at this trailer and thought it was a Zack Snyder trailer at all. And I mean that in the absolute best way possible. I love seeing directors get out of their comfort zone because what was that last one? The one he did with Dave Batista about the zombie apocalypse, was that army of the dead? I think that was called army, or is that am I confusing? That was something else. Anyway, yeah, the one where he's in a cabin, that's the shaman, right? Yeah, that shaman. No, but I'm talking about where Dave Batista was like the military guy and he goes to Vegas and it's the thing anyway, army of the dead is the name of the guys in the live chat or say sorry of the dead. You know, I like that movie. I don't think it's one of the best zombie movies, but I had fun with it. It was a little dumb at times, but I had fun with it. But even that, even that movie is kind of in Zack Snyder's wheelhouse, right? And I think it's terrific for a guy like Zack to step out of that comfort zone, do type a film that's totally different from what we would come to expect from him. And you know what? Yeah, I didn't love the trailer, but that's not Zack Snyder. That's whoever the marketing is behind it. Whether I end up really liking the movie or maybe what I don't, like I liked army of the dead, didn't like, you know, Rubble Moon so much. But whether I like it or not, I think that this is a huge feather in the cap of Zack Snyder to have the guts, I think, to not just play to his audience, not just do what he's already comfortable with doing, to step out and do something so radically different. I think that's gutsy for him as a filmmaker. And again, we'll see how good or not good the movie is. We'll judge that when it comes out. But even before that happens, I'm going to say Bravo and Kudos to Zack Snyder just for doing something so absolutely different from what we're used to seeing him do. Anyway, Christian, you had a chance this morning to watch the trailer for the last photograph. What did you think about the trailer? How did it hit you? The same exact thing. I literally had to look and I go, wait, I thought I clicked on some of the photos to Zack Snyder. Yeah. And as I'm watching it, and I'm like, it is Zack Snyder. I'm like, this does not seem like a Zack Snyder trailer whatsoever. And I felt the same way that you did. I said, that's great. Good for him that he's changed things up because that's what you have to do as a creator as a director and say, my style can change. I can do this. I can do that. It's like, I was, you know, because the first thing I'm waiting for is the slow motion thing, you know, that didn't come. And I agree with Jonathan that it was like that kind of Terence Malik feel similar to what we were talking about with the Ridley Scott thing though. I don't really know what this movie is about yet. But to be fair, it's only really like the kind of the first trailer of it. Yeah, just the first trailer. Yeah. It's only the first trailer that happens a lot. It's more so to, I think it's, I think that was the goal of this trailer is to say, he's doing something different, guys. Like this is, this is him pushing, you know, this is almost made me feel to be honest. Like, what was the Scressese Andrew Garfield movie with the, yes, I can't remember now. Yes, silent. And it was, it was like in that kind of style. And I'm like, I'm like, this is just so unlike Zack Snyder. And he's just going to try to do something else, a little more artsy, a little more, whatever it might be. So I'm curious about it because I want to see how it, how it plays and how he is able to tell this particular story. So the trailer itself didn't necessarily move me going, I need to see that. I really want to see the movie because I want to see this different side of Snyder. That's, and I think that that's how they're marketing this. And I think that's a smart way to do it. At least for the people who really are aware of his work, I want to see him kind of switch it up. All right, guys, question is for you. What do you think about this Zack Snyder just put out the trailer for his new film The Last Photograph, which is going to be making its debut at the Toronto International Film Festival? And again, I, I don't think, you know, in a vacuum, I don't think it's the greatest trailer, but I love the fact that this is a Zack Snyder movie, that this is him doing something totally different from what we're used to seeing that he's expanding himself like this. And it makes me even more curious to see the film, whatever you guys think about it, jump down into the comments section below and let us know your thoughts. All right, guys, with that down, let's move on to this, shall we? You know, once that Brad Pitt movie, F1 came out and was a huge success, everybody started talking about, and remember Tom Cruise showed up at the premiere post with all the pictures with Brad Pitt and all that kind of stuff, a lot of people started speculating, man, wouldn't it be cool if we saw an F1 and Days of Thunder 2 crossover? And everybody thought maybe there's some world and that could be possible. Well, it's not that, but they did just announce something that a lot of people never thought would be announced. They have made it official. Tom Cruise and Anne Hathaway are going to star in Days of Thunder 2. And this isn't a report from Gus's gas station, mover reviews.fart. This is like from Tom Cruise and Anne Hathaway herself, who posed in front of a race car and announced that the movie was coming. Now for those of you who are keeping score, when did this movie come out? 1990, or 1990, 1990, I think 1990, I think 1990, yeah, look it up, 90, 90, 90. So this is a 37 year old movie. Tom Cruise now, Tom Cruise then actually doesn't look like almost 40 years difference to be honest with you, but what have you? So they're making Days of Thunder 2. Now, I'm a little curious about this because while we all remember the name Days of Thunder, it wasn't a global smash by any means. Like it made like 150 something million dollars, which meant a little bit different than it does today. Well, that wasn't like earth shattering numbers, even for 1990, I mean, it did okay, but people keep talking about it. So all right, I got to say out of the Tom Cruise legacy films, Days of Thunder is not the first one I would think of that I'd love to see him revisit. I mean, God, I would love to see the firm. I would love to see the firm with his character now 40 years later. I think that would be amazing, but I wouldn't have picked Days of Thunder, but there you have. But here's something interesting about it. And guys, I don't know if you noticed this in the description of the project, but in the movie and half the way is going to be the team's car engineer engineer. I thought she owned the team both. She's both the owner and the engineer. Okay. What was Brad Pitt's love interest in F1 right? The team's engineer, so now look, there is a world that exists. There is a world that exists that at near the end of this movie, Brad Pitt can come out of the stands and say, good race or something like that. And maybe maybe they're doing Days of Thunder to to set up the F1 Days of Thunder to crossover. By the way, that is just me as a fan speculating pointlessly, there's no, there's no truth to that. I suppose they could do something like that, but look, am I going to go see this Christian? Yes. I love hand and half way. By the way, this is her year. She's had massive hits in the Odyssey, Devil Wars, Prada 2. I really liked the end of Oak Street. And I thought -- I did too. Surprisingly enough, I thought End of Oak Street might have been her best performance of the year so far. It's not her best movie of the year so far. And she's still got Verity coming. uh. which looks pretty good and then this year she also announces well pregnant she announces that she's going to be in days of thunder two so this is clearly like her year i'm not going to pretend though like i'm dying out of enthusiasm or excitement for this is isn't the sequel i would have wanted it does feel like it's just writing the tailpipe of f_1 and the popularity of f_1 uh. and i guess there's nothing inherently wrong with that if that's the case but anyway christian you heard this news bravely been looking forward to a days of thunder two like the announcement don't like the announcement what do you think well i was looking forward to it until randy quay told me i wouldn't i shouldn't be anymore now and now i don't know what to do randy quay says he's not a big fan of anathaway so i mean it's the same guy talks to garbage cans so how do i know but no uh. listen this is this is yes when you look at what you said it wasn't like the big huge massive hitback in nineteen ninety but don't forget that what it did do it is beloved nascar fans and everything now years upon years upon years after finding it on h_b_o_ or v_h_s_ or it it has built up and it's also when movies are mentioned whether it's for verses for r_e whether it's rush or uh. f_1 days at thunder is always brought up in that it's always brought up because it started into the the push uh. and i think that people because of top gun maverick and what he has been doing with building things up what i think that and hathaway brings to it is that you're gonna get all the people that as all those fans that already had the built-in you know the nascar fans and everybody who wants to see the racing movies they're going to see it but he and hathaway brings in a different audience now that we'll see with an hathaway tom cruise team up what i hope doesn't happen as i hope that she's not the love interest in the way that in f_1 um. to be not only the other similarity john with that one is that in that description also said that she's the one she's the owner of the team like h_b_r_ bardam and then brings in cold like that that's that's similar to but what i do hope happens is that i hope that it turns out that she is rubber duvalls daughter and that's why she brings that's why she's winds up working with him because of the relationship that they had and however she got the team the the the the you know however she got it or not and they start work together that would be interesting to me so i look i'm curious about it i'll be in the the i love race car movies i'm not a big race car fan in general but i love watching race car movies yeah i just don't know we've seen this song and dance before though guys where they make a movie about something that is a very popular thing and then there's this assumption well that means it's going to be huge and it doesn't always work out that way like there's a lot of race car fans but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll all rush out to go see this but you do raise a great point christian amongst race car fans like amongst poker players grinders or rounders i should say rounders here right sure everybody all poker players no right right right all talk about rounders unfortunately i know people like certain characters and rounders don't splash the pot but and this i think days of thunder is probably that movie for race car fans so it's going to be interesting to see how this as far as the randy i've had a lot of people writing and asking about the great randy quay stuff look randy uh. i'll i'm not going to sure code randy quay does a washed up piece of shit bag i mean he's just who cares he's in a relevant he's in a rel he's but he's irrelevant right there is nothing at all remotely relevant about randy quay i have a t_v_ show you put on a t_v_ show gary bucey you'll be relevant i'll talk about that literally was going to say i want to see a buddy caught movie with him and get you see yeah so so who cares who cares what randy quay says uh. but at any rate this is uh. this is interesting and it's going to be kind of interesting to see how this can let me ask you though christian do you think this is pure in the fan speculations fear do you think there's any reality that they are gonna cross over the f_1 and days of thunder tropic thunder with the days of thunder think do you think there's any chance they do that uh. at that all the time because brachheimer was he involved with f_1 i don't know that he was i just know he showed up to all the f_1 promotional stuff it just gets so tricky with you know the deals and stuff to depending on i i i think you know i think the answer yes i think the answer to that question comes easier after we find out what the success of days of thunder to us um. because leading into it if it doesn't do very well and and like you said maybe the people the interest just isn't there in the way that they hope that it would be that f_1 goes well why do we need that don't need to do that and then because you got to then pair it up with apple um. and what i will say is that uh. in the same way that i felt like i don't know where you stand on this job but i think they should have waited to do top gun three until kazinski was uh. was available i think that he is as much part of the success as anything else with that and i think the reason why f_1 works so well he's just doing things on a very different kind of old school level and you know he gets these he gets what he's doing you know it's like he knows the assignment and if he's involved with it to bring the crossover because of his relationship with crews and pit then i find it could be possible just depends on where he stands with it too listen i got the movie for you here's the movie and this uh. credit to uh. one of our i think it's adam in the life chat who was give me the idea here days of tropic thunder you have less grossment buys a nascar team and you have tom cruise playing both less grossment and cold playing both are you're welcome studios i just gave you gold that's the movie right there anyway guys question is for you what do you think about this tom cruise in a half way have announced i keep on one say tropic thunder days of thunder two tropic thunder two is the real sequel that i want but days of thunder two and uh. are you excited about it are you looking forward to it do you think there's any chance they might sprinkle in some overlap with f_1 and whatever you guys think about it jump down to the comments section below and let us know your thoughts all right guys that down let's move on to this shall we well things look dark for a while in the years of common gone since avengers and game for the quality of the mcu which quite frankly kind of became hit and miss but over the past couple years they've been putting together what we call a win streak with putting some really quality projects out in a row imagine that and now culminating in spider-man brand new day which was a fantastic movie with a lot of success it's about to become the third biggest film of all time there's a lot of momentum now leading into avengers doomsday which of course the internet exploded a couple years ago at common con when they announced avengers doomsday and they announced that robber down a genius coming back in that he was indeed going to be playing doctor doom how why like what's the connection all i can stuff all these questions are still lingering in the air and they're probably going to remain linked with lingering until at least secret wars that being said the question became how big could doomsday be and one of the things that i said about the potential size of doomsday i said it was going to rely a lot leading up to spider-man brand new day coming out it says going to rely a lot on spider-man brand new day because marvel has some momentum going right now but it's spider-man brand new day disappoints it's not going to kill avengers doomsday but it's it's going to it's going to hinder it if spider-man brand new day is really really good it's just going to amplify that momentum and then skies the limit well spider-man brand new day ended up being ridiculously good i think the best of the tom hall and spider-man films myself personally i thought it was absolutely fantastic and of course it's becoming the third biggest film in box office history that's great so what does that mean for doomsday how big could doomsday be because guys i will tell you johnathan knows his first hand in christian you probably know this too but in case you don't the last couple of years uh. i mean i've changed a little bit last few months but for last few years people so you know johnathan doomsday could be the first three billion dollar film i'm like pump the brakes whole well don't be silly okay the marvel is in the same place that it used to be because the movie said been pretty hit miss for a while you know that we're talking post pandemic we still haven't had everybody start going back to the movie theaters the way we did before all this kind of you know endgame was the climax of a fifteen year build up and all this kind of stuff don't be ridiculous with this three billion dollar talk that was me i'm not laughing anymore at the notion it's actually become quite plausible to the point that i recently got an email and and i get a lot of them and ignore most of them but i did get an email from this guy who I who I know is a lot. but who I know is legit and works for one of these firms and basically he laid out for me he said just so you know we heard you guys talking about charting he goes you know we're still months or we're still a number of weeks out from real initial testing and engaging in blah blah blah but when we look at uh. awareness uh. we look at uh. the social media curves and we look at engagement graphing which just for the record i have no idea what engagement graphing means totally brand new phrase to me so don't ask me with that meant cuz i still don't know what it means but an engagement graphing uh. it's it's too early to call right now but yeah if we had to bet right now this it is looking like in game or a doomsday is going to be the first and it's first theatrical run three billion dollar film we've ever had not now of course it is possible right now that avengers and game depending on how good on cord does it is possible and gain could become the first three billion dollar film but that would be after several releases we're talking about the first time ever a film just drops in its first big theatrical run and they're saying now that it's it's three billion dollars and i said on one of our shows recently i said look i i've swung all the way from saying no way it makes three billion dollars to its feasible that it makes three three billion dollars i i'm now at the place where i'm like i think the only question now is how much over three billion it goes uh. like when you when you look at how now this will as rob would be quick to point out this would all depend on how good or bad the movie is like at the movie isn't good it changes everything but at the movie is on roughly the same median average level of civil war uh. winter soldier infinity war and endgame with the momentum with the hype and with the movie being that level of quality if it is it's it's a to me it's now for gone conclusion and now we've even got some of these industry people saying yeah way i mean that there are company that looks at these chartings and the projection stuff like that and and they're kind of gauging right now that notwithstanding any big winds that come out of nowhere or something unforeseen they're saying at this point yeah we're looking at a three billion dollar film and i expect when the official projections start coming out in about a month and a half but i'm thinking about six weeks will start getting the first official long-range projections i'm thinking they're going to be talking about a three hundred million dollar opening three hundred twenty million dollar opening all that kind of stuff but i i never thought christian that i would see the day that i would legitimately think of film had a chance of being a three billion dollar film considering that we are still only at what six two billion dollar films i still think there's only six or seven films in the two billion dollar club uh. so it's pretty remarkable to me anyway we're a long ways out we're a long ways out and a lot of things can happen and we still don't know how good about the movie is but all of the things being equal christian right now what do you think he could be the potential for avengers doomsday seeing what we've seen so far and what not and and how big could it possibly be well first of all i want to welcome both you and Jonathan over to loonyville with me where i called this about three or four months ago i said this movie is probably going to make three billion dollars and people were saying that i was a lunatic and that i was crazy and i couldn't believe it was it was bombarded every single day and i said exactly what you just said i said look if the movie lands in a place where it is really good and really solid and that excitement is back there again following spider-man you know and i did not think spider-man was going to do the numbers that it did i thought spider-man was going to do real well and tap out like one point seven which would have been a pretty great number you know what considering what it is now um and it just the hype is starting to get more real for the movie and i don't know if it's going to be the first three billion dollar movie it could be the second three billion dollar movie because if endgame um winds up getting two hundred million dollars which it won't but if it does i don't say it any more though it's impossible because no one would have thought spider-man did what it did but if people this required viewing all these other things and people go and see it and let's say some miracle happens and it not only surpasses avatar endgame uh it's it now the re-release turns it into a three billion and then the sequel to that movie which is doomsday let's call it what it is that then does three billion what a monumental year that would be so uh realistically added the two of them i think doomsday has the better shot at it um but i think that it i i think it's got a good possibility to happen and like you said john it's got to be good it's got to be great people got to we want to go back that's why when you when we did our list last time i was on the show of why we thought spider-man did as well was we both said the same thing people were just going back to the theater to see it to see it that has to be this leading into secret wars because you want people to go oh my god i gotta see what's coming up next i gotta go i gotta go i gotta go and that's what he's that yeah that means that's the key right i mean to get the to that kind of number it can't just be everybody goes to see it that doesn't cut it it's got to be everybody goes to see it and then immediately plans when are we going back to watch it again and then immediately starting yeah and then immediately starts texting their friends saying you've got to come with us to go see that it has see that's why spider-man did what it did it's because it was so great everybody like i've gone to see it like three times in theaters now i'll probably see it one or two more times before it's finished like it's everybody and dragging people along to go watch it with us it has to be able to do that and the only way it's doing that is if it's more spider-man brand new day and a little less the amazing spider-man too if it's more that then you're going to get that repeat repeat repeat viewing and it's the repeat repeat repeat that will take it over the two billion dollar mark and then if it does get to that three billion dollar mark but again even if encore does it it'll that'll be after several re-releases i mean this would be the first time a film in its just initial opening release would do three and again i i'm not willing to put you know what no i change my mind i'm actually willing to put money that it makes three three bills no not not a hundred dollars maybe five dollars but we'll see how much more more certain i feel that as we get closer to it anyway guys question is for you what do you think about this i'm talking to people in the industry now who are saying yeah their projections right now are this could be if this is their guessing is going to be a three billion dollar film it kind of lines up with what a lot of you guys have been speculating as well as well as what i've been speculating lately and apparently what christian has been speculating for nearly six months now whatever you guys think about that jump down into the comments section below and let us know your thoughts all right guys with that down it's time for us to move on to the most important part of our show which is of course taking your live comments and questions but before we do that we're going to bid good afternoon to our technical director of course Jonathan Voico Jonathan thanks as always we're talking to you tomorrow see you guys tomorrow and of course my good friend christian harlow Christian you actually made an announcement this week you got some pretty exciting going on what's going on with with with you right now so john as you and i have been talking about for a bit i wrote a 30 minute comedy pilot that i wrote my my good for martini paratory that we're going to be both writing and co-starring in but i wanted to really get do it do like the netflix apple amazon you know wanted to do the streaming treatment to it so we want to go all out and we brought on uh Emmy award winning producer interfree to do welcome direct some cheer last chance you chef's table and he's going to be directing it and we're doing a kickstarter man and we're just like we're we're trying to get to um we're trying to basically we need like 13,000 people put in 25 bucks on my my channel whatever wants to do it in general to help us out and we really want to kind of bypass the system and beat the uh you know and and beat the gatekeepers and that's kind of what we want to do and what's the name of the project the name of the project is um is called trending you just go to our show is trending dot com right now for the pre launch we have we've already have about 1500 people over there and we're launching on september 22nd which is great you know if you put it in comparison to what the guild did they had 10,000 and they raised uh you know a fair amount of money over there so we're trying to we're trying to raise the money out and if people want to go and just check it out to get updated it's our show is trending dot com and just uh the question nothing to be notified to the phone about what we're doing all right well we'll talk more about it as uh in the upcoming weeks leading up to september 22nd thanks again for being here Christian we'll talk to you uh next week yep talk to you soon all right take care man all right guys that of course is christian harlow all right with that all down guys let's now move on to the important stuff today which is of course taking your comments and questions i have turned off the super chats a while ago because a lot of super chats came in so let's now go over i can take these off now let's now go over and start taking all the questions that you guys had sent in showing i think we're starting off with frank and frank writes i love how the russo's handled cap but i kind of missed the very traditional cap that we didn't wrote the one who would say language when someone swore yes but but here's what i would say frank um you guys know i think we Jordan's first Avengers movie is, I think it's the greatest comic book movie ever made, quite frankly. And I've waxed poetic many times about exactly why, but I think when you watch Cap the way the Rousseau's used him, that was the natural evolution of the character, right? You can expect Cap to still be the exact same guy as he goes through all the experiences that he went through in the first Avengers that he went through in Avengers Age of Ultron, like the character is going to start to change and evolve as a person. And I personally feel that, I mean, I like the job they do with Cap a lot more than they did with Hulk, but I personally feel that Joe and Anthony did a masterful job of presenting us a Captain America who is clearly that same Captain America the way he would be now had he gone through all the experiences he has gone through and in the MCU up until this point. So I, I, yeah, I think they've actually done a really good, faithful job with them, to be honest, like, faithful to the version that we gave us. I think it is the exact same guy just naturally evolved as he would have evolved. Anyway, all right. Thanks for the comment. Frank, appreciate them, man. Next up Dakota R, sends in a $20 super chat. Thank you to Coda and Dakota writes, I know you don't like the idea of James gun directing movies while also trying to run the studio, but I keep thinking it would be, I keep thinking, would it be a bad idea for him to direct the first movies for Batman, Wonder Woman, etc? Well, look, in a vacuum, no, that's a great idea. But making a movie is a 24 hour a day job, you know, when Robert and I were, Rob's directed films and when I had a, we were talking about this on the show the other day, when you are directing a film, you are for two to three years. It's not like you're one of the actors. You just show up for three or four months and then you leave to go do another movie. You're a director. You're on that for two to three years and you're working 24 hours a day and you're just on that. You cannot do like, I'm sorry, everybody tries. Everybody thinks the jobs they don't do is easy. Getting the head of a studio is also a 24 hour day job. And yes, he has Peter Safran there, but it's still, that should be your focus. And I don't mind the idea that he decided to kick off the DCU and direct that first movie himself to set the tone. But at some point, you can't now do that and now jump over and do Batman and now jump over and do Wonder Woman because when are you running the studio? And if Supergirl, and it, look, this is, I admit, this is an unfair comparison. But let me do it anyway for the moment. If Supergirl is any indication of a movie not having his proper oversight, because you know what, say what you want about Kevin Feige, Kevin Feige has absolute hawk eyes on every Marvel project. He oversees everything and gives absolute supervision to everything Marvel does. Maybe not so much, maybe he lets Brad Winderbaum look after a lot of the animated stuff that's going on Disney Plus. But everything else, he watches over like a hawk and I'm sorry, but when you're constantly directing films and prepping to the next film, you can't be doing your job. And if Supergirl is any indication of what's going to happen in the DCU when he's not giving it proper supervision, weren't for a rough ride. Now, if you want to give up the CEO job and just direct a couple of films, just direct a Superman film and direct a Batman film and director Wonder Woman film, I'm all for it. I love James Gunners director. I think you do a killer job with all of them, but you just, you can't do both. You can't do both. Anyway, all right, thanks for the input Dakota. All right, Kara Black writes, with brand new days recent weekend numbers, will it surpass force awakens domestically, it doesn't look like it, or does it even matter with end game on core and doomsday on the horizon? I said similar questions, started to open Mike, but it didn't get read, oh, maybe it didn't get registered or maybe forgot to send on it, but regardless, it's starting to look like it won't pass the force awakens. Spider-Man brand new day still has a shot, but it is now in its rapidly decreasing returns portion, so right now, I think it's 50/50. I think it's 50/50 that it catches the force awakens. I definitely don't think it's going to hit the billion dollar mark domestically. That's off the table now. That's not going to happen, but I think it's probably about a 50/50 chance about whether or not it can actually catch up and catch the force awakens, so it did look for a little while I like it would, because pacing wise, Spider-Man brand new day was like eight days ahead of making a certain amount of money eight days faster than the force awakens did. But then like five days later, that leads, which shrink to six days ahead, then it was like four days ahead, then it was two days ahead, and now I think it's not making as much money on its X day as the force awakens did, so the momentum has slowed down. So I don't know. I still think it's got a shot, but I'm going to call it 50/50, Cara. All right. Next up, we got the Refugee, who also a refugee gene, who also sends in a $20 super chat. Thank you, Refugee. And Refugee writes, "Hey, John, I've heard people say that Nolan would not do a follow-up to the Dark Knight, supposedly because of studio constraints." No, no. He's not going to do the Dark Knight, because he said he never wants to do another comic book movie, like that's on the record. That's black and white, anyway. But given his reputation, now, wouldn't any studio allow him full creative control and trust him? No. So first of all, first of all, the reason he's not going to do another Batman movie is not because of studio constraints. It's because he said he doesn't want to do another comic book movie, period. But let's say, let's pretend that it was because of studio constraints. Kevin Feige is not going to let--it doesn't matter if you think Christopher Nolan is the greatest director of all time. It doesn't matter if Kevin Feige thinks Christopher Nolan is the greatest director of all time. Kevin Feige is not just going to hand the keys to the MCU. The MCU is a very carefully constructed organism. It's one thing. He's not going to let some director in and tell some director you can do whatever you want, because what happens if the--what the director wants to do is going to mess up his MCU. What if--like, what if--I'm just--I'm just throwing this out there as an extreme example, but just to make the point--Kevin Feige has big plans for Spider-Man, okay? But Christopher Nolan, you said you gave him full autonomy, and Christopher Nolan decides to kill Spider-Man in his movie. Well now you're fucked. Now if you're--if you're Kevin Feige, your plans are screwed, everything you want to do is screwed. Again, I'm using an extreme example, but it makes the point, right? You--if you're somebody like Kevin Feige, you cannot just hands no restraints. Do whatever you want. You'll have no interference from me. You can't do that. You can't even if it's Christopher Nolan. So number one, Christopher Nolan isn't doing another Batman movie because he doesn't want to do any more comic book films, period. But number two, but no, if you're actually trying to craft a cinematic universe, you can't give any director pure blank check to do whatever they want, because that might screw up your plans for your cinematic universe. So that's kind of my take on it at any rate. All right. Next up, we got Dakota writes, "To set--oh, this looks like it's a follow-up to the Batman Wonder Woman directed by James Gunn, "To set the tone for the character so other directors get an understanding of how to use them, would love to hear if that's a bad idea or not. I don't think that's necessary at all. I think you direct the first film in the franchise to set the tone and kind of ideas about what direction you want the overall thing to go. But then what are you going to do? Well, like when they ultimately someday do another Aquaman movie, does he have to direct that too? And then if someday they do a flash movie, does he have to direct the first one of that too? I don't think you have to set the tone and direction for every single individual character, you know what I'm saying? And again, I'm more open to that if he's not trying to also be CEO, but you just simply cannot do--as the great Ron Swanson said on Parks and Rec, "You can't half-ass two things. You need a whole-ass one thing." And I think that is also true of James Gunn. All right. Next up, Monkey Tongue writes, "Is coyote versus if," you probably mean, "if coyote versus acne fails to the box office, and it will, will that prove that IP no longer has relevance and more should be anything?" Let me try this again. Well, that proved the IP no longer has relevance anymore and should anything with the IP even be attempted anymore, curious about your thoughts. Listen, guys, "Coyote versus Acme" isn't the first thing. Remember the last movie they put out, which I believe was called "The Day the Earth Blue Up?" Absolutely bombed. It had a full theatrical release, and it absolutely bombed, like completely bombed. If I--let's see, "The Day the Earth Blue Up," let me see if I can find it here. So here it is, yeah, "The Day the Earth Blue Up," the Looney Tunes movie, which just came out two years ago, and it had a full theatrical release, it made $15 million in holding. It made 15 million dollars in total. Now, County versus Acme. And by the way, I did not see the day the earth blew up. But by the way, the reviews of it were really good too. People said it was a really good movie. And this is why like everybody who does not understand the movie business going, why is Warner Brothers giving up on loony tunes? Because loony tunes doesn't make any money. Sorry, that's, that's just a fact. That's not a feeling that's not an opinion that's not a subjective thing. Numbers don't lie. The franchise does not even when they put out quality stuff, it doesn't make money. County versus Acme is going to lose money. It's really good. And yet, it's going to lose money. Um, so I mean, everybody hates it. When I say it, but facts or facts, Warner Brothers was right. Warner Brothers actually saved themselves tens of millions of dollars in losses by selling the movie at a loss to catch up rather than trying to put the movie out in theaters themselves. They, they probably saved themselves 30 or more million dollars by doing it. And yeah, I, I hate saying it because I love the loony tunes, love the loony tunes. So I do indeed hate saying it, but I would never greenlight another loony tunes project, at least not a theatrical project. I certainly would never greenlight another loony tunes theatrical project because there's simply not an audience for it. It seems despite the fact of how good coyote versus Acme is, why did more of you guys go see it? Anyway, all right. Next up, the refugees sent in another $20 Super Chat. Thank you, Refugee. And Refugee writes, "Exmen first class is my favorite X-Men movie because it really lets the Magneto origin story breathe feels like more of a Magneto-focused film giving him a thorough motivation and an incredible performance by Michael Fassbender. Hey, listen, I do not think X-Men first class is the best X-Men movie, but you're going to get no argument for me that it is a great movie. I personally put a couple ahead of it. I think X-Men 2 is better than it. I absolutely think Days of Future Pass isn't even better. I think Days of Future Pass is the top 10. I think it's a top 10 comic book movie. I mean, I just like Days of Future Pass that much. And Logan, I think is a top three greatest comic book film ever made. So I would put those ahead of it. But yeah, first class is an absolute fun film. The stuff they did with Michael Fassbender, James McAvoy ended up being a surprisingly good professor X at the same time. There's just a lot of good things about the movie, man. I really like it. All right. Thanks to that refugee and thank you for supporting us in that level again, dude. All right, PG writes, "Did you watch AEW all in?" No, but my buddy Nigel was a part of it. And I didn't watch it. We were busy all weekend. Anyway, did you watch AEW all in? I wanted your boy Nigel to win the AEW Continental Championship. The match was so good. My favorite match was Osprey versus Omega. No, I have not. And you know, him and Corey, they have their baby now. And I have only spent one day with their baby. What the hell? Like, Anne and I were just talking about, you know, we've only spent one day with the kid. We need to spend more time with the baby. But I have not. It was pretty busy weekend, including a lot of Dungeons and Dragons going on in lanterns. But no, I did not have a chance to see it yet. But I heard Nigel did great. All right. Next up, Harves K writes, "Hey, I'll just a PSA this weekend. You can catch in theaters. Star Trek for the wrath of con or Star Trek for his the voyage home, each paired with a classic original series episode for its 60th anniversary. Akira and 4k will also be showing in theaters. Yeah. So there and one of the pairings they have is they're putting out Star Trek 2, the wrath of con. But it's a double feature with the episode space seed from the original Star Trek series. And of course, space seed is the episode that introduced Ricardo Montemont as Connunian Singh or Con. And then they're going to follow that up right with Star Trek, the wrath of con. Great double feature. I think my favorite of the original Star Trek films though. It's tight between wrath of con and Star Trek for the voyage home. Well, double dumbass on you. I think Star Trek for voyage home is amazing. So it's a it's a close one between those two. All right. Next up, we've got Aaron Math, Metharu writes, with the premium ticket pricing on Dune's day, how will that affect the box office reported numbers box office, count normal seat prices or higher prices? They count how much the money the movie makes. They count how much money the movie makes. Because there's a trade off, right? You charge $40 for a ticket. Yes, that will equal more box office. However, it's also going to turn off people from buying the ticket. So there's a bit of a trade off there, right? There are people who will, I mean, listen, Dune 3 is going to sell out the IMAXs. Yes. But how long will it sell them out for? Because when you're charging $40 a ticket, there are definitely going to be people who would have been interested to see it in IMAX that will simply choose not to because they don't want to spend $40 and nor should they spend $40 for a ticket to go see it. But yes, every if it's a $5 matinee, it counts as $5. If it's a $40 IMAX screening, it counts as $40. The money counts as the money. So that's how that works, Aaron. Good question, man. Next up, Dom not Tom Cruise writes, John my girlfriend is a huge Kyle Galner fan and he has shown me a few of his movies. Have you seen Diner, dinner in America or strange darling? I have not. I'll be honest with you, I'm not even familiar with Kyle to be honest with you. I know I'm what I should be doing is what other YouTubers do and lie and tell you, oh, yeah, I know what that is and then go look it up. I've just always honest with you. I don't know that person. Maybe if you named a couple of other things, I'm like, oh, yeah, that guy. But I'm no, I'm not familiar with those particular movies and I'm not familiar with Kyle to be honest with you. All right, Thomas, I always choose this as I think BDL is short for Bombadill. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm going to go with Thomas Bombadill. Thomas Bombadill, John, are you watching silo season three? I can ask that all the time and I keep giving the same answer, guys. No, because I haven't seen season two yet. Holy cow, they just dropped one of the best episodes of TV of the year, Tim Robbins and Jessica Henwick are killing it. Yeah, Ann is watching it. Ann is watching it. She's watching silo. I loved season one, loved it. But there are a number of shows that I love season one and I just fell, fall behind and for just not get around watching season two. Like I love fallout. I still haven't watched season two. I love the live action one piece. Still haven't watched season two. I love the first episode of the season or first season of silo, still haven't gotten around a season two. Either so much I have to get caught up on. So no, I have, I have not, I'm not caught up on three. But Ann told me that the last episode was really quite incredible. All right, next up, Sean writes, Hey, John, what's been your favorite movie of the year? So far, first time sending you a super chat, sending lots of love. Well, thank you for that, Sean. Good to have you here and thank you for writing that in. It's got to be the Odyssey right now. I think right now, and obviously we got a lot of great movies to come this year. So this is going to change. I think right now, my list is number one, the Odyssey number two. The invite with Edward Norton and Penelope Cruz and Seth Rogan and Olivia Wilde. I know most of you guys haven't seen it. It's a stupidly great film. Stupidly great. So anyway, so yeah, number one for me is the Odyssey number two for me is the invite. Number three is Project Hail Mary number four. I'm going to say right now, number four is probably forgotten island. That's the new animated film that's not coming out till September. But I've already seen it twice. It's, it's my favorite animated film of the year. We'll see if it's still as after we see what's that new Travis night movie? What's the new Travis the wood something? What's the new Travis night movie again? Everybody, I just saw it. I think it was like the best trailer of the year. What was it called again? Help me on the live check, guys. Anyway, and then after forgotten island, probably sheep detectives would be at number five. Wildwood, wildwood, thank you. Alexander was the first one to throw that in wildwood. So we'll see if I still think forgotten island is the best animated film of the year. Once I see wildwood, but yeah, so I think for me right now, it's Odyssey, the invite project Hail Mary, forgotten island and sent help or sheep detectives. Yeah, sent help would probably be after that one too. Anyway, all right. Next up, we've got where we at. That was Sean. Thank you for that, Sean. A lot of people have fan cast Timothy Shaw. as Harry Osborne, if Marvel offered the role to him and you were his agent, we do entertain it. No. No. I would not entertain that. I mean, look, as a fan, would I love to see Timothy Chalamet in a Spider-Man movie? Yes. But he's arguably the best actor in the world right now. That doesn't mean don't put him into a comic book movie, but if I'm putting him into a comic book movie, I'm giving him the lead in something. Right? Now, and by the way, I don't know what Marvel or DC character Timothy Chalamet would be good to play. I can't think of one off the top of my head that he would be, but I would not, I would not sign off as his agent to be a villain in any one of those films. All right. Good question, though, Romell. Next up, Georgie writes, "Buddy was thumbs up, mix of Barney, backroom, subsession." You know, it's funny. I was talking to Jonathan before the show started today. And he went to go see Buddy. I haven't seen Buddy yet. And he said exactly that. He said, it's a mix of Barney and backrooms. He didn't say obsession, but he said it was a mix of Barney and backrooms. He liked it. He liked it. So I'm very, I thought the trailers were just so twisted. I want to see it myself. All right. Greeny from Oz writes, "I hope that I'm good. I'm hope I'm good when I'm 89. I'm that good when I'm 89." I think you're probably talking about Ridley Scott. I mean, listen, listen, I may be very critical of Ridley Scott's last 15 years of making films, but I think also I would kill, I would kill to be able to make the worst Ridley Scott movie. Well, just keeping it in context, I would kill to be able to make the worst Ridley Scott movie, right? But yeah, he is who he is. All right, DVKM writes, "Oh, just sent in a super chat badge. It should be supportive. Thank you, DV. Appreciate that, man." Greeny else writes, "It was a sin he screwed up Napoleon. Napoleon's story is true, historical, great one." You know, it's funny about Napoleon was I still remember they showed us this like 10 minute clip of Napoleon at Cinemacon the year before it came out. And it blew me away. It was that whole battle sequence where he draws the enemy out under the frozen lake. And then he starts firing cannonballs at the lake to break the ice and drown. Oh my God. It like and that scene was awesome. That scene was awesome. So they showed us that 10 minute clip at Cinemacon. And I'm like, "Effet Ridley Scott's back, baby. Everybody greats on the polling comes out and yeah, walking Phoenix in it." I'm like Ridley Scott's back. Oh yeah, the master is back informed because that scene is so good. Unfortunately, the rest of the movie is crap. Just disjointed, incomprehensible crap. I wish it was better, but takes nothing away from that scene, man. That scene was so good. I just wish the rest of the movie was that good. All right. Ben writes, "Do you think if Tom Holland's Spider-Man was the protagonist of Seek of Avengers Secret Wars, it would be a major success despite the performance of Doomsday?" I have no, like what do you mean? If Tom Holland's Spider-Man was the protagonist of Secret Wars, it would be a major success despite the performance of Doomsday? Listen, Secret Wars is going to be a major success whoever the main person is. It certainly does not depend on, yeah, Tom Holland's Spider-Man could be the main protagonist, but listen, listen to me, and I mean, this whole heartily, Ms. Marvel could be the main protagonist and it's going to be wickedly successful. I mean, so I don't really think it makes big of it. By the way, by the way, time out, time out. I have to tell you guys something, okay? Let me just type this in here. Are you guys familiar with Zarface? Because, like, Ann and I have been listening to a bunch of Zarface, and they've got an album out with Frankie Pulitzer, right? Do you ever have people that I've had this happen to me a few times in the last six months, where people are like, wait a minute, they're making another Avengers movie, right? Like, news that has been out there for a long time and they're like, wait a minute, but they hadn't heard of it even though the news had been out there for a long time. I just, I was today years old when I found out the masked rapper Frankie in the Zarface music and videos is actually, I won't say Tom Holland, Tom Hardy. I'm like, wait, the masked rapper is Tom Hardy, because you go to Zarface a couple of members from Wu Tang and a couple of other guys. So, and Ann and I have been really into the album. It's really, really good. We've been listening to it and like Ann comes running into the, to the living room this morning. I'm sitting in the living room, putting some notes together for the show at like seven o'clock this morning. Ann comes running and she goes, John, I'm like, what baby? Did you know that the masked rapper in the Zarface videos is Tom Hardy? I'm like, no. And, yep. And apparently, apparently, that's been known for like a year and I had no idea. I had no idea that the masked rapper is Tom Hardy. Guys, go and watch a Zarface video with Frankie. Go watch a Zarface Frankie and you'll find the masked rapper is Tom Hardy and I had no idea. I only found out today. I only found out today that that's Tom Hardy, which is kind of crazy. Anyway, I just thought I'd throw that out there that I, apparently that's been public knowledge for a year and I had no idea. I just found it out today. Anyway, all right. Let's move on here. J.C. is C-Rights. One of two, fully aware this makes me sound like a juror. Coyote vs. Acme is a good fun movie. But some of the praise I'm hearing feels a little inflated. I get a sense of this is one of the all-time greats F-U-W-B for shelving it. I liked it. I'm thrilled. Others liked it, but would that be the reaction had it been released without its uphill battle? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. First of all, Jai, that's just simply saying you didn't like it as much as other people. That's fair. That doesn't mean other people are making it up. Other people may have liked it more than you, and that's perfectly fine, but if Warner Brothers had just gone on as planned and put the movie out, it would not have done as well as it doing because it went through all the drama. The reality is the only reason Coyote vs. Acme, besides the fact that it's a very good movie. The only reason Coyote vs. Acme made as much as $15 million, which is pretty sad. The only reason it made as much as $15 million is because of the drama. If Warner Brothers hadn't pulled it and then ultimately sold it off to catch up and gone through this whole narrative of the movie was saved, if it wasn't for all that publicity and all that drama, the movie wouldn't have made $15 million, so it would have made even less than that. Believe that. The whole drama of it is kind of what propelled more than half the people went to go see it. Again, I think the movie is great. I don't just think it's good. I think it's great. I really enjoyed it, but yeah, the only reason it's doing as well as it is and it's not doing well at all, but the only reason it's even doing that well is because of the drama, so there's that too. Alright, screen speak rights. I watched Blade Runner 2049 last Friday and I thought it was so good. It is so I think it's better. People think this is sacrilegious to say it's better than the original Blade Runner to me anyway, and I thought it was so good. I love all of Denise films and I thought it was far better than the OG film. I 100% agree. I'm actually not a big fan of the original, which is another very sacrilegious thing to say. But all my friends look at me very side-eyed when I say that, but I have to always be honest with you guys. I don't actually think the original is as good as people make it out to be. That's just me. That's only my opinion. That doesn't mean other people are wrong. That's just me. It's just one of those films. We've all got films that everybody loves that we don't and that's one of them for me. But 2049 was, I thought was great. I thought 2049 was great and nobody wants to go see it. There's that. I'm glad you had a chance to watch it screen speak. Next up, Christopher Brickner writes, "John Oliver in last episode, I would I'd rather stand outside the today and hold up a sign saying people were wrong about Madam Web, then admit to that. I have no idea what the context is that we're talking about Christopher. Sorry. Daniel Harmon writes, "Hey, John, what's your ultimate movie theater snack lineup? I'm a very straightforward. I'm a simple man. Dude, I'm a simple man. Really buttered popcorn, heavily buttered popcorn, and Coke Zero or Diet Coke. That's it. That's, but that is my thing, man. I walk into a movie theater and I never eat popcorn. I don't eat popcorn under any other circumstances normally unless I'm going to the movie theater. I walk through the movie theater doors and it's like a Pavlovian response. My immediately that I walk through theaters doors, my mouth starts to water because I start craving the popcorn and yeah, every once in a while I'll have something like I'll have like a chocolate covered almonds, maybe Reese's Pieces is another one that's another thing that I actually never get otherwise. But in the movie theater every once in a while I'd say one out of every five or six visits. I'll maybe grab myself a bag of Reese's Pieces. And generally speaking, I'm a, I'm a bread and butter guy, I'm straight vanilla, nothing fun about me. I just go for the buttered popcorn and soda and I am a happy boy. And I usually only eat about half the, half the box. Sometimes not even. Like I'll always get a large because I have the AMC popcorn pass. So my large popcorn is only five bucks. So I always get the large and I usually only eat about half of it and then I stop. But I have to have at least that half or one third. I have to have at least that. All right, yes. Next up we've got D.V. again who writes, "Hey John, last week I watched all three titles from the Watergate Cinematic Universe, started with the OG, all the Presidents men, the post, and then White House plumbers, a spin off of sorts on APM. You know what? I never did watch the White House plumbers. I remember thinking it looked so good and I never actually got around to watching it myself." Now obviously all the Presidents men and the post, the post is fantastic. But I never did get around to watching White House plumbers. It's got a great cast. I've heard really, really good things about it. I just never got around myself to watch it, which is unfortunate. But I'm glad you had a chance to watch those D.V., all right, Mr. I writes, "I didn't want Ridley Scott to return to Alien after he said he didn't like the Alien Queen and the Life Cycle introduced in Aliens and wanted to retcon that. Oh, I never heard that. Did he actually say that? Did Ridley Scott say he wanted to retcon the Queen and the Life Circle from hatched egg to facehugger, facehugger to implanting in a victim, eggplant turning into a chest buster alien?" That's like Bible now for Aliens and he said he wanted, "I've never heard that. So I don't know if you're right about that, Mr. I or not. I have never heard him say that, but you can't want to retcon that." And I'm sorry, but Ridley lost me completely on anything aliens by saying Alien Romulus was okay. And it's okay to acknowledge that it was great that doesn't diminish your Alien films. It feels like he's got this fear that if he says something in Aliens was great, that somehow diminishes his Aliens. It doesn't. But yeah, I was really shocked to hear that because Alien Romulus was great. It made me actually, it's the movie that kind of got me excited about Aliens again because I'll tell you what, Ridley Scott's recent Alien films bored me with Aliens. It made it turn me off Aliens. Alien Romulus got me excited about Aliens again, but that's all personal opinion, just personal opinion, personal taste. All right, Greeney from Oz writes, who needs, who needs math, math, math, big mouth stand writes, "Is Hollywood scared GTA 6 will tank the November 26 box office by stealing theater audience and vastly out earning major Hollywood blackbusters?" Not at all. Not at all. First of all, it's like saying, buying a movie ticket on average is $13, and just looked up the cost of getting the version of GTA 6, she wants, it's $100, it's $100. You can't compare like somebody buying a movie ticket for $13, and somebody buying a video game that's $100, like you can't compare that, like that's no point in comparison. But no, Hollywood is not at all worried or afraid of GTA 6. It's kind of been proven before that big, big video game releases don't really hurt anything, any more than like when Avengers Doomsday comes out, it's not going to affect people buying and playing video games, you know, because maybe they don't go in the first five days, look, I, even in my most psychotic of World of Warcraft playing, and by the way, I've started playing World of Warcraft Classic again, oh my god, that's a time black hole, anyway. But even back in the day, in my most obsessive playing of World of Warcraft, as an, like, and this is like 20 years ago, I could put down my mouse for one evening for a couple hours. If I had a movie I really wanted to see, and go watch the movie, and then come home and keep playing. Like most people will get who want to play a particular video game, and like GTA 6 is maybe one of the most anticipated of all time, they'll get the game, and they'll play it. And if they, if they have a movie they really want to see, I mean, if there's not anything out they want to see, then it doesn't matter either way. But most people, most, not all, but most, most people are normal human beings. So they'll play the game, and then they'll go see a movie and come home and keep playing the game. So it's, it's, it's kind of been proven several times. So yeah, I don't think anybody's worried about anything. I honestly don't think anybody's worried about anything. All right. Next up. Zach Taylor writes, did you almost cry during the trial at the end of coyote versus Zach me? Very emotional. It made no sense. I'll admit that it made zero sense, like what happens in the trial made no sense. That being said, it was very emotional. It was very emotional, 100% it was Zach, all right. Rick 302 writes, saw the dog stars over the weekend. And I really liked it. I disagree with the criticisms. I would definitely watch it again. Well, that's, that's the beauty, Rick of the movies, their, it's art and it's all subjective. Just because a lot of other people didn't like it, that doesn't mean you can't like it. And just because a lot of people like something, that doesn't mean you have to. Art hits us all in individual different ways and makes different impressions on us. And if you watch dog stars and it worked for you because it hit you where you're at, that's all that matters for you. That is all that matters, right? Just because other people didn't like it, didn't mean you needed to. That doesn't mean the criticisms aren't fair for it. That doesn't mean people who didn't like it are wrong. Any more than it means you're wrong for liking it, right? That's, but that's not a bad thing about the movies. That's the best thing about movies, Rick, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. All right. Next up, Laura Howard sends in a $50 super chat, dear heavens, Laura, thank you so much. What does Laura say? Laura says, after lanterns last night, I felt a writer really, oh, I felt the writer probably really sees me as a black mom. Have you ever experienced someone from a different demographic get you in a show? Yes, but not on that much of a level, not on that much of a level. I've, there have been some things because look, it's not as much as a white guy from Canada. I'm not as underrepresented or have traditionally been as underrepresented and traditionally had literal agendas of exclusion leveled against me or my demographic as many others have. So yeah, two degree, I have felt that, but not to the degree of most people of almost any minority would have at all. But I could tell, even as somebody who's not a part of that demographic, I'm watching that show last night. And again, Rob and I will talk about it on our lanterns post game show a little bit later tonight. I just thought, like, Anne was there watching it with us and during that scene with the mom and explaining everything, even Anne was like, my God, this is so well written. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I can't even relate. And even I know, holy shit, this is so well written, like I thought it was absolutely great and I cannot wait to watch more episodes. cannot wait. For tonight's episode, I don't know if I have it. Let me bring up this screen. Yeah. Yeah. Here it is. Woo. Lanterns. Post game show tonight at 5 p.m. Los Angeles time. That'll be 8 p.m. New York time. Come join me and Rob as we talk about last night's episode of Lanterns. I am, I am very, very excited to do that. All right, Laura. Thank you so much for sharing that. And I'm glad you're liking it. I thought last, you know, I said to Jonathan before we started the show today, I said, I don't know. I ever loved an episode of a comic book movie that had absolutely no action or an episode of a comic book show that had no action sequence in it whatsoever. It was just that's HBO, baby. That's just HBO and how good they are. I again, I cannot wait to talk about the episode tonight. Anyway, thank you for that, Lauren. Thank you for supporting us on that, on that level. Appreciate that very much. All right, healing through cinema rights. What do you think is that Krieger weapons directing DCU Batman movie? I don't know. It doesn't really seem like his wheelhouse, but like as Kevin Feige, like when I asked Kevin Feige, why did you choose James Gunn to direct Guardians of the Galaxy? You know, he's never done anything with a big budget, blah, blah, blah. You know, go back to this all the time. It's true. Kevin Feige looked at me and said, because a good storyteller is a good storyteller. And James Gunn is a great storyteller. I don't really see, um, I don't really see that would be my first choice. Um, but I mean, at the same time, I don't, yeah, would he be my choice? And the first guy would think of, no, I think that's a really good natural fit. No, not necessarily. But that being said, I love him as a filmmaker. He is a great storyteller. And as, you know, Kevin Feige said, a great storyteller is a great storyteller. So it would I pick him to direct a Batman film? Probably not my first pick, but if they did announce it, how would I feel about it? I'd feel really good about it because he's a great storyteller. Barbarians, weapons, I mean, like he's a really good storyteller. So again, wouldn't be the first name that would pop to my mind, but they announced it. I'd feel pretty good about it as a fan. All right. Avid writes, will encore cut Emma Furman's Casey Langstein. I doubt it could be obviously because they switched actresses. So I, from my understanding, they're not cutting anything out of Avengers endgame. Like I don't think encore is cutting anything out. I think they're throwing in a few extra minutes of stuff, but I don't think they're cutting out. Although that's a really good question because they did change actresses. Maybe, but I doubt it. I doubt they're going to change that. All right, Laura Howard again, since in a $20 super chat, thank you, Laura. And Laura writes, I'm not agreeing with the actions, but I feel the intention behind the actions. Listen, too many people, can I just say this, Laura? Too many people judge a movie based on whether the characters in the movie did what they would have done. I, this was really prominent when Clint Eastwood made his masterpiece million dollar baby. I mean, it's not his best movie. It's one of his best movies, unforgiven is his best movie. That, not being said. So it comes up all the time. I remember when million dollar baby came out, it got a lot of protests, right? It got a lot of protests because I'm about to spoil the 30-year-old movie for you. But you know, at the end, when she asks him to help her commit suicide because she didn't want to live that way anymore, Clint Eastwood's characters face with a very tough decision. And ultimately, what his character decides to do is to help her commit suicide. There was a lot of backlash to that, even though I think it won best picture of the year. But there was a lot of backlash to that. There was protests and all that kind of stuff because they were saying Clint Eastwood is saying that handicapped people should be put to sleep. And it's like, no, no, no. Clint Eastwood is telling a story about a character that's not him. And in this story, this particular fictional character is faced with a horrible decision. And the story is simply telling us what that character chose to do. It never said that's what the character should have done. It's not saying that's what the character should think or feel. It's not telling any of that. It's a movie that's telling us a story about what did this character do. We're not supposed to agree or disagree with what the character did. It's not about whether the character did what we would or would not have done. It's telling a story. And do I think John Stewart's parents parenting decisions are what I would have done as a parent? No, probably not. But that's not the point. The point is they're telling us a story about what happens in that world. And it leaves it up to us to decide, is that do I agree with it? Do I not agree with it? Would I have done that? Would I not have done that? But that's not ultimately the point. If you're the type of person, I know you're not lower. But I'm saying, if you're the type of person that you'll only like something, if the characters do what you would have done and made the choices you would have made and you agree with what they did in the movie or show, then that's pretty sad. The idea is we're confronted with these stories to see what these characters did. And then it leaves us to wrestle with and think about maybe what we would have done the same or different whatever. But that's the point. The point isn't whether we agree with how John Stewart's parents approached parenting or their reasons for it. It's giving us insight into John and insight into what made him what he was and give us some understanding about the motivations and the reasons why John's parents did what they did. Again, that doesn't mean they were right and it doesn't mean it should have been stuff what we would have done. But that's not the point of a story. And so I thought, even if I question their parenting skills, I thought the story was amazing. I thought the story was amazing. And I did not agree, I did not have to agree with the parenting choices they made. I don't think under any circumstances you should be taking a weapon where you could kill your kid with the slightest sneeze and shoot an apple off their head. I don't agree with it. But it gave me a lot of insight into the John character. Stories are not meant to tell us what we're supposed to think. Stories show us circumstances with characters that are going through to make us think. Anyway, that's kind of how I take it. All right. Next up, thank you for that, Laura, care of Black rights. So Randy Quaid, I don't even want to address this. Anyway, so Randy Quaid says Anne Hathaway has a horrible choice for Days of Thunder 2. Who does he think he is saying that about her? I don't, I have to ask this question. Who anywhere cares what Randy Quaid says about anything? Why are we worried about it? Like sometimes I have people write in and say, did you hear what Bill Marr said about this movie? I'm like, who cares what Bill Marr says about movies? What does that have to do with anything? Why would I care one bit positively or negatively about what Bill Marr says about movies? I don't care what Bill Marr says about movies. Any more than I care about, I don't know. I'm trying to think of somebody Matt Stafford, the quarterback of the LA Rams. I like Matt Stafford, but why would I care what he says about a movie? Like, who cares what Randy Quaid says about anything? So why would we even want to talk about it? Because who cares? He's an irrelevant piece of garbage on the bottom, stuck on the bottom of your shoe, who cares? Anyway, and then Greeney from Oz just sends in another super chat badge just to be supportive. Thank you for that. I appreciate that. And guys, that will do it for today's installment of the John Campy Show. Thank you so much for being here, making our little show part of your day. Big special thank you to the thousands of you guys in the live chat. Thank you for being here and being a part of the show because by being in the live chat, you're not just watching the show, you're actually being a part of it by sending us information, chatting amongst yourselves. It's always good to see. So thank you for that. Very, very much. Also, big thank you to all of you guys who sent in the super chats. Number one, because it gave us fun, interesting things to talk about. But number two, you supported this channel as you did it and everybody involved with the show guys. Thanks you so very much for your support. Again, guys, don't forget tonight at 5 p.m. So about three and a half hours from now, we're going to be doing our lanterns post game show of episode three. Can't wait to talk about it. I hope you guys come and join us as well. That gives you a few more hours to go and get caught up on the show if you haven't watched it yet. So we'll talk to you later. That'll do it for us for now, Guys, my name's John Campier, and until next time, my friends, bye-bye.