Maria Comella and The Trio: Holy Schmitt, That Was Bad

(upbeat music) - Hello and welcome to the Bullock Daily. I'm your host Tim Miller. We got a double header for you today in segment two. For the first time, we're bringing the trio to the daily feed. We're gonna be discussing Byron Donald's ex, revealing some pretty crazy history. And Candace is maybe a lesbian, so I don't know. Stick around for the candy at the end. That'll be good. But first, she's political strategist and advisor. She's a chief of staff to former governor's Andrew Cuomo and Chris Christie. She also worked on Christie's 2024 presidential campaign. What about as well as the presidential campaigns I worked on? And she also advised Kamala Harris a bit on reaching out to GOP voters. It's a long overdue in all girl visits to the show Maria Kamala. What's up girl? - Hi, it's good to be here. It is a long overdue. It's like years in the making. I forget what happened. We're gonna bring you on to do debate and allisis. And something crazy happened. And time is a flat circle. - It is. - Something else took over besides the debate, who knows. But such is life. We're here now. - And it turns out most of what we be talking about is probably still similar. So. - You were invoked twice in the list, Smith podcast as well. We'll get to that at the end. - Okay. - Yesterday, Trump's retribution agenda was an action, and they continued to kind of step on rakes on this front. We have the Eric Schmidt questioning of Jack Smith was going to get to in a second. But another story with friend of the show, Adam Kinzinger, there's this leak yesterday that the CFTC is investigating him. And you might wonder what kind of seashells he put in what design in order to get this investigation against him. It wasn't that in his case. He was betting on calcium. Which, bro, we're gonna get Adam on to talk about that. I don't know about the calcium. Turns out he lost a couple grand. I have that. I have that on personal authority. He lost a couple grand on Calche. But he's like betting on the campaign. He's betting on his time. I think he bet on Kamala. The issue is real problem. But he's betting on the part ends and what Biden's gonna do. Not to hit no information. He's just fucking off. On one of the trades, he made 820 bucks. And the administration that is like running multi-billion dollar scams on behalf of administration family members, sniffing around Adam over 800 bones. What do you make of that? - I mean, it's part for the course, right? I mean, none of this is surprising. And I actually think listening to the line of rhetoric of the Republicans yesterday in the Jack Smith hearing, it's just kind of like you threw your hands up as they're kind of accusing him of these partisan antics and like a level of partisanship and going after the president and using such elaborate rhetorical terms. And it's the exact thing actually that the administration's doing. So the whole thing to me feels like a farce and it's like what are we actually doing here? So. - It is crazy how little that they have on Jack Smith. I mean, and the performative anger they have towards him versus the evidence they have of any wrongdoing. I mean, they're calling him dirt bag. John Kennedy said that you make me want to throw up on my mouth and it's like over nothing. - Well, it kind of reminded me of you watch like in a TV show or a movie where they do the congressional hearing and you're always like coming from like the real world. You're like, oh, this is so over the top and ridiculous. This is never how congressional hearing would go. You're like, actually, this is exactly how this congressional hearing is going. I mean, it's like a movie magic situation. - Well, it was a spoof at the part with Eric Schmidt. And I usually, I try to keep the clips for people to, you know, keep it tight. 30 seconds, you know, people here to hear us. You know, Maria, they're not here for the congressional hearings, but the Eric Schmidt exchange with Jack Smith was so delicious. - I know. - We have to do a couple minutes. So just bear it out. - I watch it a few times, so I'm here for it. - We're gonna watch it one more time altogether. Let's go to that. - Did you go to an NBA game between the Golden State Warriors and the Atlanta Hawks on February 3rd, 2024? - I'm sorry, did you say that again? - What city would that be in? - Atlanta. - No. - Okay. - So your testimony today, you did not go to a Hawks game on February 3rd, 2024, is that correct? - I have no recollection of that. - Okay, is it your testimony that you were not in Atlanta on February 3rd, 2024? Let me just give you a little context. The day before Fannie Willis came clean with her affair with the prosecutor. You know the Atlanta prosecutor that was also trying to get Trump, the next day were you in Atlanta? - I do not believe so. - Okay, did you ever go to Atlanta during your time as special counsel? - I really don't think so. It's possible I flew through the Atlanta airport on the way to Florida, but I do not have a recollection of going to Atlanta. I definitely did not go to a Hawks game, I'm sure that. - Did you ever meet Nathan Wade or Fannie Willis in your time as special counsel? - No. - What would you say if I had a series of text messages from your team that said you were in Atlanta at a warrior Hawks game on February 3rd, 2024, the day after Willis and Wade announced their affair? - There's got 'em. Matt Locke. - I don't think you know that we have this stuff. So I'll give you a second to process it so you don't purge it yourself. - I recall going to a University of Maryland basketball game where Caitlin Clark was playing right around that time and the Marshall service was there with me. You could check if that was the exact date. It was Maryland playing Iowa. - Could it then be that University of Iowa's the Hawkeyes? Could that be it? Maybe before we show this kind of thing. I know, but if he was at an Iowa game, is that correct? - It was because Caitlin Clark was coming to Maryland to play. - I know, but that might be the confusion over the names of the team, but perhaps you should have looked at it more carefully. - Who's questioning is this by the last term? Are you using your time, Senator? Is this what this is? Are we just having like an open session here? - I don't know. - Yeah, well, I'm glad you're trying to rehabilitate the witness, but it's not your time. - I think you are calling a witness a dirt dive. - I present, and Nicole starts finest hour besides the cone, probably. - I mean, 100% 100%. I mean, look, I don't think her staff would make that same screw up. So they would have checked, they would have checked before putting up that poster board. I mean, absolutely bumbling, but really, really rich to watch. - It's funny they have a lot of discourse about how the Democrats need more, you know, straight bros, frapperos and no sports to do the social media feeds because they're, you know, too gay, coded or whatever. And I'm sorry. I think Eric Schmidt's team seems to be, I don't know, maybe their Nick Flintets in cells. They don't seem to know what they're talking about. There's this great picture, which we'll put up on screen for people of Schmidt and John Kennedy. Like, and they look like, you know, bit characters from the sopranos, like staring down the witness. So they're about, they're like, we got ya. And they just, like, they had nothing. It's true, it's pretty hilarious. - No, and it's not even entirely, like even if let's say they did, let's pretend for a second they actually had that he was at the game, like, okay. Like, so what exactly does that prove, you know? Where were we going with this? Like, it was not the ace of the whole, I feel like they thought it was. So. - Somebody knows ball, let you know that nobody was flying to Atlanta to see the 23, 24 Atlanta hawks. That was not, that was not a joyful experience. The same day, this is the other funny part about this. This was all part, and you've, you know, we've both been part of this. You got to roll out, happen in that day. You're excited about something. But that's the funniest thing. They really, they thought they had nothing. Even if he was at the game as you pointed out, they still had nothing. But they thought this was going to be a big bombshell moment. - Right. - At the same morning, Jim Van Dehae, in Axios, right? The story about how Schmidt is leading VP contender for JD Vance, they had sent out talking points to all these mega bloggers like Benny Johnson, who are all posting about how Eric Schmidt has got him. And like the whole, the whole rollout just like blew up at the launch pad. - Totally. And I mean, to your point, we have done this before, where you've rolled something out, you've teed it up. You know, you're like, you've done your job. But I think it's more interesting and curious that they did like the mechanics of what that is, but didn't really appreciate it, understand what the substance was. Like to me, that's like the disconnect. Like, you know, I feel like you usually, like if you're doing your job and you know, you know how to do your job in this industry, you have a sense of what lands and what doesn't. And that's where I'm kind of like flabbergasted by whatever they thought it was. So. - Yeah, I think the Eric Schmidt VP float is kind of going to go the way of the innovation party. You know, sometimes you don't hit 'em all. - No, I mean, it lasted the morning, you know, if that's so. - I mean. (laughs) - This is also delicious. People don't know the facts about it. Like Eric Schmidt gave the second most notches speech of like the last few years behind J.D. Vance's speech, a Claremont and they're both in the same topic. And it was this big, like he was trying to draw attention to himself as being one of the nationalist guys, one of the Magna-National's guys. And it was about essentially how, like, you know, the blood and soil, like being an American, you know, is about being from the land. And all of this and like these guys really We are, like, leaning hard into that, like, you know, there's certainly racist stuff happening when we're doing Republican comms, but like, but the rhetoric for these guys, like, pivoting it away from shining city on the hill stuff into blood and soil, nationalism, like air shmits, and one of the point, you know, at the tip of the spear of that. Yeah. I mean, it is a shift, right? It's, it will, and, well, in the sense it's like out in the open, right? I mean, I think when we were kind of at the heyday of our Republican operativeness, you know, it was sort of like, you had the tea party, you had sort of a shift of like, what was happening in the discourse in the base, but the truth was the establishment for the most part, right? Either ignored it or was, was not parroting the same language, right? It was kind of like, we, we were ignoring this because we're a little bit afraid of it. We don't want to get primary necessarily, but it wasn't an embrace of it as like a strategy or a tactic or a way to win votes. And I think what you're seeing now is just like a full on embrace of it. And I also think what's interesting when you look at Schmidt or even a JD, do this though, it's like they're attempting to a Donald Trump. And look, for whatever, and obviously we can get into all of the, the things about Donald Trump, but there is, there is something to be said that when he does it, it lands in a different way that I just do not think works when you see someone like Schmidt or Vance, like try to do it. For me, it has a way harsher edge. And I'm just interested in how that really plays out, you know, in a sort of post Trump universe. Yeah. I mean, the Trump had the celebrity sheen about it. Like, you know, he doesn't really, we laugh that much, but he's, there's a joking element of it. There's a tongue in cheek. It's like his friends with Don King. It's like, is this guy really that racist? Yeah. Like it's different when you just have kind of a generic looking white guy, like, you know, talking about blood and soil nationalists on who doesn't have any riz. He knows why to be like nothing. It's just angry. Let's look at that in the 2028 context. So I'm just curious how you see all this playing out. I think we've we've marked off Eric Schmidt VP, but, you know, Vance is going to have to lock a very, like a tightrope on, on kind of both elements we've been talking about this, this kind of how much of the magnet nationalism stuff dealing into. And then also, you know, assuming the Democrats take control next year, you know, these oversight hearings flip, right, where there's a lot of oversight hearing stuff on the administration, corruption in the administration, looking into administration, pardon and like JD is going to have to navigate, okay, well, I got to stay on Trump's good side. But as the wheels start to come off the shift, you know, here is there a way to get any sort of distance. Interesting. I think it's really interesting. You know, I, I think to your point, I think these guys do have like a choice to make, right? Like what is the type of candidate that they're going to be? And you know, is there a little bit of, and look, I'm not saying it's just political courage, but are you going to do it because potentially the only pathway is it actually distance yourself from Trump and you try to, you try to shift that whatever we're considering the current, you know, primary base, right, at primary voter. It would be interesting to kind of post midterm sort of where, you know, that primary voter where the party or public and party really shakes out. Look, if you have a candidate who is sort of named as more feasible, right, which happens every cycle, there's, it's whether it's JD or Rubio, it's kind of incumbent on them to sort of make the race, like, to make the race what they want to make it or should make it, right? Versus repeating like the last campaign, which is, you know, inevitably what a lot of these guys do. I do think, you know, if you're kind of just trying to walk this line of being sort of, you know, still close to Trump and not trying to get his wrath, like, I don't know how that plays out because it ultimately ends up meaning you're doing a dance, which again, how does that resonate with a voter who, you know, look like is, you know, particularly post primary and we look at kind of the environment from like an affordability perspective from how they're just feeling on the day to day, like they're not feeling it. And Trump got a certain amount, gets a certain amount of grace that I just don't think applies to anybody else. And I think if you're running, you have to factor that in, like you aren't Donald Trump. I saw floats that Chris Christie might be thinking about running in 2028. Has he called you about that or do you, is he going to give it a fourth run around the basis? You know, it's like one more time with feeling Tim. So I mean, look, like I, you know, I think when he ran in 20 through 24, you know, I think look, that was to have a conversation, right? I mean, in a lot of ways. And I think that was important. I felt proud to be a part of that. And obviously the dynamic with Trump on the, on the, on the battle, very different. Sure. So I'd like to see Chris Christie as part of the conversation. I don't know what that looks like. I think, you know, is there a lane for the sort of completely, you know, anti-Trump, non-Trump Canada? I don't know. Like, and I think that's really an issue and is there an appetite for it to actually make it through a primary? Things have to get pretty damn bad, I think, I mean, bad, but I don't know if they're bad enough. Like, it's really the primary voter and who that is and what they're, how they're turning on what they're turning out for has like, it's completely evolved since we were in the game. So I don't want to trigger you, but I'm wondering if we, if there are any bridge gate lessons, we can learn. Wow. Wow. Sorry. That feels like a low blow. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It doesn't. I mean, I was just going to say how quaint, you know, that's kind of why I wanted to bring it up, actually, because I mean, it was quaint compared to the corruption we have now. But also, like, it was bullying, right, with the local officials. What I'm more interested in is, you know, kind of the fallout stuff. Yeah, I thought. Yeah. No, it's fallout stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, Christie, I can then some really kind of hampering him at times doing the unapologetic barrel through and other times trying to try and do a pilot, you know, it just didn't like work. I mean, it's just a different era. Trump, on the other hand, I mean, just think about the scale of the different scandals of the house that are just, you know, they can't even, like, like, they're so far from bridge gate, you can even see them out in the universe. Right. There's so much larger. And, and so I'm just curious about the JD question of this, right? Because, or Marco, whoever, you know, runs a successor. And if there are any ways to kind of think about like how to, how to deal with the myriad scandals that are going to come out of this administration? I mean, look, like I think back in a lot of ways, you know, to Christie reelect in 13, his first term, you know, really trying to position a Republican party in a different way. I mean, that was really the whole thing. And it was a big reason why I worked for him and was a believer. And I did feel very much so that his communication skills and his talent was made him, you know, uniquely equipped to bring the party with him. I mean, I always kind of talk about it the day before bridge gate broke. You know, he signed the dream act in New Jersey. And, you know, he just had a, I think, a way of communicating on these issues that I felt was really important. It's interesting because obviously what happened, right? And, you know, and look, I come from the place where I take about his word. I believe it. Like, he didn't know this was staff, right? He admitted to sort of a culture that potentially allowed for that. Like, he did all of the things, right? To sort of own it to the extent that you could in that situation, right? I would remember being struck by the media attention at the time, which felt insane. Like, I mean, you and I, but in the Swiss, like, I mean, we had, like, we had every evening news camped out, like, for two weeks in front of Trent in front of the state house. Like wall to wall coverage, you would have thought he was the president, right? So I remember thinking this feels a little overblown for, like, the fact he's the governor of New Jersey. But it spoke to, I think, sort of the political viability. And I think at the time, right, the feeling that he was going to go into the race as the front runner. And I know the Clinton folks were very nervous about that. And we knew they were in New Jersey, like, trying to jizz it up. And the irony being, right, as I look at it, that, you know, he was politically neutered. It opened up the field as a result in terms of money, in terms of candidates. And it essentially got Trump in the game. And a lot of ways Trump took a lane that was a little bit of early Christie and not the same way. But in terms of fairness, in terms of the language that was not, you know, political rhetoric, right? And as it turned out, like, that was the candidate that Hillary couldn't beat. So, and here we are, you know, God, I hadn't even thought about that. It's kind of Bill Steppian's fault that we have Trump, actually, you know, like, maybe Trump doesn't even get in the race if Christie, I hadn't really thought about that counterfactual. Like, had the bridge gate thing not happen and RISD, Christie, look stronger, who knows, we could have a different history. Yeah. We could. And I think to the point of you were talking about different climates, I mean, just how much that the coverage and how much it's stuck and how hard it was to kind of get on the other side of it, I think it was indicative of just kind of media coverage at the time. And what's interesting, and I feel like I experienced this in 24 when Christie ran. And it's, I'm not going to be like critical necessarily, but I do think the establishment press corps politically still measures the non-Trump candidates in a way that it's like gone by. And I really felt like they were covering us to a different standard, even in 23 when Christie was running. Still covering the horse race of donors and all the kind of saying, frankly, bullshit that was like, you know, in play like a decade prior. And I remember saying I was like, this feels like we have one, you know, arm type behind your back in a race against Donald Trump because he can do whatever the heck he wants. And yet we're getting covered. And there's a level of scrutiny like as we're playing like a blue like we're in a completely different game. Yeah. And that's my concern for anybody who frankly is running next time is how do you kind of, how do you break out of that? Do you ignore it? How do you, how do you play a different game that doesn't kind of strap on you by the same standards? Because. Do you think in retrospect, Christie should have done the fact that fake news media, This is all bullshit. Like do you think that might work? 2014. I don't know if it would have worked then. Yeah. That's the thing. I mean, maybe, but I don't know that it would have worked. And frankly, interesting enough, like it didn't feel right at the time. Yeah, I'm talking Machia Valley. I'm talking about Machia Valley. I'm not talking about the media has various different biases. I think that, you know, the conservatives and social conservatives in particular over the years have talked about how the media's, you know, does have virus for like liberal social values in various ways. But like the bias that they've had the last 10 years is that you don't feel fair, if you're a reporter, if every story you're writing every day is about how Trump is lying and Trump has a scandal, right? And or Trump is saying something offensive. And like, you could fill the newspaper. We haven't outlet. You can look at it at the bulwark. You can fill the newspaper every day with stories about Trump's lies and corruptions and racism and offenses, right? And I feel, and at some level, I don't know. That's what the Washington Post should do. I don't know. But like, and so, you know, these other things get blown out of proportion. Like these like more minor offenses of other candidates because it's a way to kind of create a fake balance. That's just what it is. Yeah. And I think it's interesting from my perspective. And look, I came from and I feel like you were the same way, you know, when you were when we were on the Republican side of things, it was like, look, like we had a job to do. We talked to everybody like whether there was bias or not, it is what it is. Like, I can't line about it. But I do remember thinking I thought about this, you know, just in hindsight, you know, I did work for guy, you know, who had to win both the first time and then then re-elect by, you know, appealing to Democratic voters, right? Which meant I would say in a lot of ways, Christie, particularly first from Christie, you know, on issues, he got as close as you could, you know, to like, let's say an acceptable Republican. And I always felt like even then it wasn't enough, right, from like the level of scrutiny and coverage that we got. And I remember at some point, just feeling a little. Yeah, you're on the sour spot where you're getting both of the biases against you, kind of, right? Like, both of the ones I just discussed. Yeah. And you're kind of like, like, kind of like, what is good enough here? And I do remember at a point, and it was like a little bit of a turning point during the British Gate stuff, being on the phone with a reporter from the times. And we it was unrelated, it was a related to kind of a sandy, fun day issue. And we spent, we were doing our homework. There was an accusation by someone we were, yeah, in terms of where the fun is going. It wasn't Eric Schmidt, Southwark situation. No, we were actually like, yeah, we're doing the fact. The guy don't recover on the phone. We spent all this time. And then I just remembered the end of the call. It was kind of shocking. He just was like, he's like, honestly, he's like, I just don't believe you. We were like, okay, I was like, you know what? I didn't really believe in the biased thing really until this call. So. Yeah, okay. Well, I can tell you what Christie could have done. That would have been good enough for me, which was not being the first establishment person to endorse Donald Trump in 2016. But we'll do that. We'll do that, we'll do that another day. Yeah, I know, you have a vineyard on that. He's always welcome to come on. Never came on to talk about it. I don't know, we can touch it out. I don't know who knows me and Chris might like each other in the end. It's a life as long. And it's true, I agree. I want to do midterm, it's a little bit. I have an article today. It's latest field. Go check it out. The triad will put a link in the, in the show notes where I highlight some of these house races that I think Democrats can go get in red territory. And where Democrats have strong candidates, and you know, I think that are maybe outside of the, you know, what the traditional kind of swing state districts are that's already had plenty of money. You know, people always ask me, like, where can I donate? Where can I help? I tried to name some districts. So we're going to check those out. One of them is at least a fine district up in New York. Like, gender being, I think it's a good candidate. He's running against a total lunatic, mega guy that sells like mega stickers. Like, Andrew Tate is awesome stickers and stuff. But I don't know. I'm just kind of curious. You're, you know, you've been around for a while. You've seen some of these midterms. Like, am I high on my own supply here? Like, is Kansas really in play? Can, can, at least to find next district really go to a Democrat? Like, what, what do you think is the scale of what we're looking at? Um, I just, I, I, it's okay to do real talk. You can put your pot in my balloon. No, I mean, look, like, I, I, I think, look, I think if, if there's places where Dems can pick it up, this cycle with like the, with very good candidates to your point, the environment that's ripe, then, you know, I think that some of these places are just kind of, it is what it is in terms of the makeup of the electorate. I do think it's the most primed in certain places. I do think there's some very good candidates who have the ability to appeal to a voter who wouldn't normally vote for them based on like political party. Look, I think we always do this, right? We kind of get ahead of ourselves in terms of what's going to happen and then what it's all going to mean. And I guess just having seen that go sideways a few times, it's like, let's just get to it and see kind of what, like how it all shakes out, right? Before, you know, before you make any, you know, broad, you know, conclusions. So I'm interested in your take on, I think, I forget if the events today are late this week, but there's a first joint event between the list of Slotkin and Abdul Al Sayat and Michigan. Yeah. I think Abdul's going to win pretty handily actually in that race. I think that the core of the media, the DC, New York media, like way over states, the appeal of microtures. Right. And also, like, is it really a persuasion race, right? And who's more motivated to turn out, right? I think which, which I think is also going to be relevant based on the district, right? For sure. I think microtures, I think it's a persuasion race and there's like 0.2% of Michigan who are Wall Street Journal reading Republicans that like, you know, or who are actually extremely pro-Israel or whatever that will do it. But like, it's a tiny number and it won't nearly overcome the environment. That said, Slotkin and Al Sayat is an interesting pairing in Michigan. Maybe the most interesting at the end. They both are trying to do like the, I'm alphaing my opponent type of thing. Obviously, they're coming from very different wings. There's some other Michigan establishing Democrats who have not gotten on board with Al Sayat. Slotkin did for the day one. So, I don't know, just open ended. I just wonder if you have any thoughts on that. What do you make of the, when you kind of say the alpha-ness? I mean, Alissa is trying, like Alissa's theory of the case is that Democrats were not, are not tough enough that they're too wishy-washy and that she like is, and that Trump's kind of, you know, everybody has a theory of the case for how to win back Trump voters. And I think that Alissa Slotkin's is like, they do performative machismo, and why can't we? Like, we can be performative machismo. She's like, I'm tough. I'm actually tough. Trump ditched the, you know, service I served. Right. And I think Abdul, you know, Abdul kind of just does, he wears the tight black t-shirts and is like, you know, I think he's had a couple of times where he's suggested getting in a fight with someone. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. You know, I just, yeah, it's interesting. Like the core of dual fans really don't like Slotkin at all, and vice versa. But the two of them are making a very practical choice here. I don't know. What's interesting? I think it, like, the strength thing, I think it's sort of like, how does that actually show up? Right. And I think there's something to be said about, you know, being strong in terms of your convictions and being matter of fact and like delivering it in a way that like conveys that, you know, yeah, some of I guess the performative macho stuff that the Trump folks do, I guess, works or at least it holds people in place. I don't, you know, I don't find it, you know, appealing or convincing, but again, I'm not the target audience for that. But I think, you know, I think it depends on how you do it, because I do think it can run the risk of looking like having like, having a boomerang effect that is not actually what you're trying to achieve. So I think it's a fine line on how you pull it off. And, you know, I don't know, the verdict still out. So for me anyway. On both of them, on both of them. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have anybody you really like on the Democratic side? Do you think he's doing really well? That's a good question. I really like. I'm asking you to do the Chris Matthews throw up your like thing, but I don't know. It's just going to look out there and say, you know, is there a 2013 pre-bridge gate, Chris Christie out there on the Democratic side? It's interesting. Yeah. I mean, I obviously was a lot of talker and all stuff. You know, I don't, I think, like has a certain appeal, I think, and I could see, you know, being successful in a general rate, because I think it's part of it, right? It's the issue of like, how do you get through a primary? A lot of times, I feel like a candidate who would be great in a general rate is going to struggle on either side in the primary. The case for us off is, I think Kamala really got in the sour spot with, you know, the fact that like, the more moderate people in the party thought that she was a California progressive and the more Bernie left people in the party thought that she was a corporate S2, who like cared too much about what Liz Cheney thought or whatever, which is like, I'll think, but whatever, you know, voter impressions are more important than reality in politics. And so, also, as a chance, if he navigates it, definitely enough to like, do the opposite, right? We're like, kind of left people think that he's, you know, progressive and centrist people, you know, see him as centrist and I mean, Obama succeeded at that. Trump succeeded at that. Totally. And I think some of that actually to whatever the strength is, is like being unapologetic for where you are on an issue. Like to me, that's the thing, because you were never going to, and like, I mean, I, this was a bit of kind of the kind of pursue rationale, and like sort of positioning and how we thought about it is like, you were never going to like 100% satisfy the base on either, you just aren't. And so, when politicians on either side attempt to do that for the sake of like making it through a primary, it ends up like blowing up in your face, because if you're not genuine or pure on whatever the issue may be, you know, fill in the blank, like that voter knows it, right? And they kind of, they don't like you for it. Now, to the extent that you can be very clear about where you are and why you, you aren't supportive of certain issues wherever you may land on it, I do think like you get respect for that. And that individual can make a decision based on like the totality of where you stand, whether or not they want to support you. I think it's when you try to be something you're not that it ends up blowing up in your face, which I think was certainly a Harris issue. I'm just dying to get your opinion on Zoran. I don't know. I don't think we've ever talked about it. I'm not sure what your position on Zoran is. He did this video yesterday where he said today we're launching the first ever municipal strategy to combat anti-symmetism. Together, we'll ensure Jewish New Yorkers are safe and celebrated. We'll invest in their protection, their history and their future. He's obviously trying on this front. A lot of Jewish New Yorkers, I've had some readers email me and say that they don't feel like he's trying hard enough. Anyway, I don't know. I mean, I'm curious what youth have thought about the first, I guess we're not quite full of year of Zoran compared to your expectations. Look, there's a reason he's really popular. I think he's a talented communicator and he's very, he's very adept at showing up on an issue in a way that I think, even if he's delivering bad news, you're kind of like, "Oh, okay." It's a, you know, because he's kind of smiling while he does it. Yeah, he's toy-like. And that is like, as you know, that's really a large part of the game, right? If I'm willing to listen to you, if I like you, even if I don't agree with you, I think there's certainly been, which is going to happen, like certainly some missteps. But I don't, but I think on the whole, he's certainly, I think, figure out how to navigate sort of the expectations of his base and the DSA and then the reality of, you know, your every day in New Yorker. Now, obviously, there's a certain segment who is very anti, you know, on Dami here in the city, which of us is a certain ilk. But like, you know, they always were going to be that way and you're not going to change their mind. So it's, I guess we're going to talk about, well, I mean, certainly, you have a very certain, you know, type of wealthy New Yorker, right? Who, you know, I think, you know, looks at Zoron and, yeah, and, and look, but you bet it's your thing. I think it was really smart politically, right? Because, you know, let's put aside the merits from an issue perspective. But yeah, you're speaking to the fact that here's something that sort of impacts communities neighborhoods, just from kind of like living here in New York. And, you know, you're going after people who obviously have a certain make a lot of money. And so it's kind of like, it makes sense politically, right? I was like, I was like, this, I don't see why you, this is a, this feels like a no brainer. I mean, maybe he didn't want to announce it in the way that he should have with the video. Sure, we can get, you know, we could be tactical about that. But, substantively, sure, makes sense politically. I mean, that was kind of lukewarm. But can you consider that you're a Christy and Cuomo veteran? I, that's a glowing endorsement, basically, of Zoron. I, I, I honestly, I, I just, I like to just go over it based on expectations. Like, the rhetoric around him when he was going in was, like, was apocalyptic. Like, this is socialist. Like, or the, the, you know, the police are going to quit on him. You saw this in some cities. The police quit on the DA in San Francisco. And I, and I had a huge negative impact on, you know, the city's safety and just the reliability. And like, there's been nothing like that for him. No, and I mean, it was smart for him to keep Tish. And like, look, I also feel very strongly. Like this is, he was a candidate who was the best candidate, ran a great campaign. And he won. And, you know, it's sort of like, this is, this is now what we have to, this is, this is where we're at. And I think I get a little, and I felt this way at the time, you know, sort of the democratic establishment freaking out on everybody freaking out that he, you know, was an nominee and sort of, you know, it's sort of like, well, this is the, environment you've created, right? The Democratic Party here in New York is not really big on long-term candidate recruitment. The fact that the best you could do and that primary race was, you know, a disgraced former governor who resigned, right? That no one really liked. And I was like, I guess we'll just have to throw everything in because we're so panicked about the other guy. And I'm like, that's on how this should work, right? But if this is, if this is where we are, we're at, then, you know what? Here we are. So, you know, there's like not a quick fix to that. And I do really believe like the process is the process. So there's a reason he's the mayor. Maria Camel, a democracy lover. Yeah. All right. All right. Our most important final question for the daily listeners of the show, you might, the memory I call his name might have sounded familiar because when Liz was on a couple of months ago, as she does, this is our little, like kind of brother sister teasing, like out of nowhere, she shanked me and was like, remember when you tried to kiss Maria Camella 20 years ago in Iowa when you were still in the closet? I was like, well, you know, I was going through some things. Okay? Like, you know, there's a loneliness in Iowa when you're alone, you know, and you're doing with your in feelings, you know, you're doing with your self identity. And you know, Maria was a little scary, but also like beautiful and like very, you know, I kind of vibe about her. So I think the big question that the listeners had was like, did you consider kissing me back or was it just a straight rejection? Straight rejection. I mean, I remember being very flattered. And I have to say, I have to say this to him because I feel like you ruined me because I think it's the only time that a man's showed up at my door, you know, to profess feelings for me. So like all this time, I'm just, I'm just waiting for like, where's the guy like, I've set to my bar for the straight man. Yeah. Yeah. Hasn't hasn't happened yet. So maybe that should have been the sign I was gay. Maybe only a gay man would do such a, you know, kind of like embarrassing, making such an embarrassing, you know, kind of showy pass, you know, it's a little theatrical, maybe, you know, yeah. But like in the best possible way, I mean, like I said, I think you've ruined me. It's like the most romantic thing ever. So, wow. So flattered. Those are no, though, those are nice. No, it was the second time you've given me a nice no, which I appreciate. And that's, you know, that's something that I'm going to do. Everybody has to go through rejection and life. It's an important part of growth. All right. Anything else you're hot? How do we transition out of that? Anything else? I don't know. Now I'm very flustered. Okay. Great. Well, anything else you want to talk about any other, any old, you know, secrets you want to reveal anything? No, I think I'm good. I think I think I'm good. I'm not good. I'll see if I'll have to think about it for next time. All right. Well, I did the self-oppo this time. So next time you're on, we'll get old story about you. That's embarrassing. Okay. I feel it feels fair. I have another kind of embarrassing story about me related to you. So I show we can keep doing this. But that's a teaser. That's a teaser for the next gift. I don't even know what this is. We'll tell you offline. All right. Everybody else stick around for the trio. It's going to be even sillier. Thanks, Mario. Thanks, too. All right. We are back. It is the trio. For most of you, people who, you know, consume us on YouTube and on Bullwork Takes, you're familiar with this group's work. It's my colleague Will Summer, who writes the false flag newsletter and managing Alexander Samstein as well. And we discussed a crazy shit that happens in Maga. And that goes into the Bullwork Takes Feed. So if you enjoy the forthcoming material and you're not subscribed to the Bullwork Takes Feed, what are you doing? You know, get in there and make sure you're not missing any trio material. How are you doing, guys? Good. How are you? Much to discuss. We have a great, we have a lot to discuss today. A lot of, a lot of gay stuff happening in Maga world. A lot of gay stuff happening still. But I want to start with maybe the one straight Maga that we've identified via. Sure is heterosexual. That's gubernatorial candidate, Byron Donalds. And there's a story going back around that I hadn't really locked in on until yesterday. And this was about his ex-wife named Beesa Hall. Beesa had met Byron at Florida A&M in 1996. And when they met, he told her he was from Jamaica. And he had a fake Jamaican accent. And the story offers a lot of other interesting insights from Beesa about young Byron. But I got, I mean, I guess what I want to start with is how, Sam, how's your, can you do it, Jamaican accent? I'm not going to try. I'm not going to do it. I cannot do it. No go run. It would go very poorly. Cool runnings is great. I tried to show that to my kids the other day. Jamaica has a pub sled team. It's a little, it's a little slow actually on rewatch. Really? I was not going to try. Yeah, I tried to do that as well. It was a little slow on rewatch. So I don't, I mean, that's pretty odd. I don't know. Yeah. This is an interesting one. You know, one of Byron's parents is Jamaican. His ex-wife says that it was, he kind of faked this Jamaican accent for a few days in college to look cool because he's like, look, I'm from New York, you know, where there's all kinds of New York guys here, but not a lot of Jamaicans. And then so after a few days, I don't know if he was like, okay, all right, this is my real voice. But you have to imagine the situation. Have you ever heard chat hanks? Yes, I've heard the chat, of course. Bumble clock. Yeah. Yeah. Chew was legendary. You have to imagine though, there are a lot of Jamaicans in New York, like of all the places. That would probably the place where there are the most Jamaicans in America. I don't know. It didn't land for them. The couple of other things that she said that were also interesting. She said they never discussed voting one time. And so when she rediscovered that he was describing himself as a conservative black man, she was like since when. And then his other story on the campaign trail that's interesting is that he said that he was saved and gave his life to Jesus at a cracker barrel. Yeah. In the year 2001, he was working at cracker bail. He said there was a table of 12, like the apostles, Christian women that prayed over him and that. that moment he gave his life to Jesus, the problem that he was still with Bees at the time, she says he wasn't really just at all, he was not a church person, she did remember him wearing the Cracker Barrel outfit, but nothing else. And I think it would also be worth whether that he by an impregnated is now wife, Erica, while still with Bees after the Cracker Barrel conversion. - Is that not in the gospel? (laughing) Can't do that. - Well, you're not really a New Testament man. - Yeah, I'm not a New Testament guy. - Yeah, so we could tell you, there are, you know, there's some different carve outs, but I don't know. - That's not even the best story. So I was doing some research on this, hear me out. So there's this old article from 2024 about Byron Donalds, and it includes all the stuff about the Jamaican accent and the weird Cracker Barrel stuff, but this part really stuck out to me. So he's a student at a FA MU, and he drinks it from FA MU to Photo State, and he has another brush with the law. He has a charge for fraud, bank fraud basically, and please no contest the charges later expunged, so they don't have any details about why he was charged, but he gives this explanation to a Southwest Florida television station in 2014. And if you hear this explanation, think about whether this is the right person to be governor. This is his quote, 15 years ago, I can't really say I'm really starting to laugh and I'm going to use it, but I'll laugh you on the floor. - But this quote is so silly. 15 years ago, this is Byron, 15 years ago, I came into contact with a girl. She offered me $1,000 for my debit card and my pen number, and I gave it to her. I never got the $1,000, but I had to make restitution to the bank in excess of $7,000. This is his quote. - I'm sorry. - Can you say a go up to someone and say, "Hey, can I pay you a couple grand for access to your entire bank account?" - Think about how to tell me how to be able to do that. Oh yeah, here's my, here's my debit card and pen. I'll take the $1,000. Seems like a good exchange. - Yeah, it does feel like he's struggling with money. Beesa also mentioned that he promised that they would split the divorce papers, which honestly, it feels like a little unfair. It feels like Byron should have paid for all of the divorce given that he had pregnant another woman, but they had agreed to a split, but he didn't have to cash at the time. So she paid and he still owes her the money for the divorce 20 years later. - But isn't it like $250? I suffered that too. That's it. - Well, it's too much bank account, you know? - He's speaking about when somebody $250 have ever told you about how I owed Mr. Belding $200 and now he passed away this week. - What? - Yeah. - How did that happen? - Well, I hired him to come to my friend's bachelor party to arm wrestle. My friend at his bachelor party, I can make a surprise appearance and that they were gonna arm wrestle each other. And there's a miscommunication on the cost of that. And I thought it was, you know, I forget now it's been a few years, I thought it was maybe 300 and he said it was 500. And so I paid the three. And this is before Benville, this is a while ago. And he just went into the car, didn't look at it, went to the car, counted it. Was unhappy that I'd shorted him to 200 bucks, called me like nine times the next day, leaving very angry messages about how I owed him 200, how I shorted him. And, you know, many years later, I tried to do, you know, to reach back out, but was never able to. Now he's passed away. So Mr. Belly's Mexican is listening. I do. I'm happy to, I'm happy to make you a whole. - I did not expect this story, honestly. This is, I don't even know how to react to this. Why was he doing arm wrestling? - Rest easy. Oh, it's because I, what's what I hired him to do. He was, you do event things where you show up to various things, like, hey, I'm Dennis Haskins. You might remember he's Mr. Melding. - Yeah, pretty bleak. - Hey, find that guy. - Yeah, and they also played a game of Jenga against each other. It was early in the night. It's kind of before the bachelor party really got going. - That's worth at least, that's worth at least $600 right now. - That's what I'm saying. So I don't know if Dennis has a next of kin, but I'm happy to even adapt. - Okay. Just one quick point about Bryan Donald's divorce here is a lot of this started coming out earlier this year. After his second and now current wife posted on Instagram, she's like, oh, Byron, I love you. This is the anniversary of when you first asked for my number in 1999, and the first wife goes, wait a minute. Let me look at my divorce papers here. Wait a minute. This relationship started when we were still married. So then that's why she kind of turned out. - David Jolly, just a regular guy, family man, doesn't seem to own anybody money, never pretended to be Jamaican. - I'm not sure about that. - I don't know. - David, if you're listening, if you've ever pretended to be from another country and spoke with a fake accent to try to win girls over. - Has he ever given someone his debit card pin number in exchange for $5,000? We don't know. - Should we save Candace for the very end or should we just go right into it? - Let's go back. - I feel like we gotta go into it. I mean, this is what the people have been demanding. - All right, well, I guess I'm just gonna take a back seat and we'll kind of regale us with what the situation is with Candace Owens, right now. - All right, yes, we've been getting a lot of requests. Oh, please, Trio, look at this. Give us your take. So here it is. On Monday, a gentleman named Esoteric Shaggyism, and that's a take on Shaggy from Scooby-Doo. He's kind of been a long character in the background. He actually, I believe, just got out of prison. He was away for a year. So he gets out of prison. His first thing, I've got evidence that Candace Owens had some lesbian dating accounts. Now, I'm sorry, I have some follow-ups on that, look. So Esoteric Shaggy of the Magical Mystery Machine blog. What was, like, what can you just give us a little sense like what else, what other kind of stuff he has in his repertoire? I'm just trying to decide how. - Yeah, he's kind of like a boy per Fuente, it's a Jason guy. His claim to fame was defending Ethan Ralph of the Ralph Retort, who was a gamer-gate guy, and is currently on the run in Mexico. So I guess Shaggy has some time on his hands for other pursuits. - Okay. - All right, so he has a blog, most of the Candace Owens is a lesbian. Tell us more about that. - Yes, so he has gone through some dating site leaks, adult friend finders, some others. And when these leaks come out, people may remember the Ashley Madison leak was a big one. And you can kind of look at people's email accounts in them. And so he zeroes in on these accounts under the name I think Condomo 429, and these are lesbian accounts with very explicit, you know, I just love, you know, getting down with the gals. All right, kind of, I'm sorry. And it's a little bit more explicit than that. - Yeah, well, I'm gonna have to ask you that. I'm gonna have to ask you to tell us what it really says. - It's very, it's very oral focused, I guess I would say. - So what do you mean by that though? - It's just like I love, I love licking, licking from, you know, when the sun goes up to the sun goes down. You know, like, I mean, it's kind of like, it's very explicit, it's very explicit. So we're talking about the person. - It's a oral sex challenge. - We're talking about Condomo. - Let's be clear, Condomo. - Yes. - And she likes to be the giver. - Yes, exactly. And so. - So wherever this person is. - Yeah, she's successful. - There are some pictures attached. I don't think there were any face pictures, but there were, maybe there was one, but basically, you know, he then uses this. So he says, look at this, you know, this is like when she's in college and it uses her University of Rhode Island email to that account. And, you know, I can verify that this is really her University of Rhode Island email. And she, she used this Condomo screen name on a YouTube account that has a video featuring her in college. And then he kind of spins out in some other directions. He's like, well, look, she logged in in 2022. This means she's still, you know, on the hunt. - Which site was this again? - I believe it was, there was one was adult friend finder and then there was another one that was, that was unless to know your best. You know, so the, but basically, he kind of strings this together to argue that Candace Owens is a lesbian. And, you know, I do think we should say here that a lot of this is unverified. People, the people on the internet have kind of tracked down this trail have followed his steps and they say it's legit. Certainly, the Ben Shapiro averse has been very delighted by this. I'm a lot of daily wiring. - I'm sorry, the Ben Shapiro averse. - Well, you know, like Ben Shapiro averse. - Oh, got it. Okay, sorry. - Yes. And so Candace's many enemies are delighted by this. And intriguingly, Candace now has canceled two shows. So she does one, you know, I believe four times a week. She canceled Monday. She said, oh, you know, I did an extra one on Friday. So it's canceled. And the Tuesday, she said, I just got so much evidence to go through, you know, on the Charlie Kirk case. And so that's where we're at. - Two shows, canceled. Is she set to do it today, though? - Well, sometimes she can't, she was set to do it yesterday and she canceled it. And so yeah, as you said, we're recording on Wednesday. The one other wrinkle here that's happened since this initial post is that someone logged into that Candace Owens YouTube account, Condomo. This has had one video from college, right? So this was not like her main YouTube account or anyone's made YouTube deleted the video and said, well, you know, I am not Candace Owens, you know, [BLANK_AUDIO] harassing me. But I think if you thought this was some random account that was, you know, kind of lost in the ether, you wouldn't expect that person to then be so clued in that they would log in like that. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So the evidence here we have is that this person with Candice's email and the username that she uses is extremely excited about muff diving. And we have all of the messages and she's canceled two shows. So it's, I mean, I don't know. Will, how do you, how do you, I mean, it's just hard for me to judge as an outsider, the veracity of Shaggyville. Yeah. I don't place a ton of faith in esoteric Shaggy. On the other hand, I mean, I don't know. It seems to stand up to some extent. I mean, you know, people, again, they've gone through these leaks themselves. I don't think this is a case where he's just like photoshopping these the leaks. Often in this realm, you deal with some very untrustworthy characters. And so he may be like, and to be clear, he's, he appears to be pretty nuts. He thinks he's like, well, this means Candice is, it's a lavender marriage. It's not a real marriage. We can get her British husband deported. And he's saying everyone needs to rally around me as the man who defeated Candice Owens. Like, he's nuts. In many ways, you know, it could all be fake. But I do think it is, it does have legs in terms of like right wing media. Has she denied it? No. Yeah. I'm kind of a two thoughts of this. Like on the one hand, in segment one, you guys didn't hear this. We discussed how back when I was in the closet, I made a pass at Maria Camilla, our first guest. And, you know, she rejected me. But sometimes you're still figuring things out in your early 20s. You dabble, you know, and things that isn't like where your true form is. And, you know, they're plenty of straight women that had a little lesbian face when they're at the University of Rhode Island, et cetera. So on the one hand, I'm sympathetic to Candice. On the other hand, she is kind of like the girl version of the causative gay guy that like is really obsessed with calling people the effort. You know, like she loves calling things fake and gay, calling people gay, saying so and so is gay. And you could do a whole super cut of sick Candice being like, you're gay, that's gay, she's gay, she's gay. And to me, that makes her a obviously a much less sympathetic figure as she deals with her, you know, kind of personal feelings and trying to self-actualize. But B, I think it also led some credibility to the accusation that there's a projection. Maybe she meant it as a compliment. I don't believe so. I think if you go through the archive, yeah, no. Yeah, it's a compliment. Tim's right. This is really like a classic Candice catchphrase is like, the whole world is fake and gay. This investigation is fake and gay. And I think people might say, well, what does it matter if Candice is gay? I mean, when we talked about this with Sarah on Monday, she said, oh, lesbian, so graduation who cares? You know, that's everyone, you know, whatever. On the other hand, I think it is as we watch the narrative shift in this war, Erica Kirk was just in Vanity Fair. You know, I think it hurts Candice's connection with her audience. If there is this sense, deserve it or not, that she's like being inauthentic. You know what? You know what? I know where the sentence. Israel made her do it. That's it. It's a made her do it. And she got, she got through that period of her life. And you know, she's French foreign legion. Or maybe Israel did the leak. I mean, it's fake. Yeah, we have really talked about the Marjit Macron element of this, right? Like that is kind of overhanging it, right? You know, it is interesting. I mean, if I was an intelligent service that wanted to, you know, damage Candice Owens, I think Esoteric Shaggy would probably be a pretty good guy to put it out through this kind of character with really no ties to anyone, but the Ralph or so. It could be the Mossad. It could be the Manus. Yeah. What about the idea that it's a self-leak? Candice losing a little juice. And like, she's really squeezed all the juice she can out of this orange of the Charlie Kirk murder. She needs people to come watch, you know, the show needs to have some new controversies. Is it possible this is a self-leak? I mean, she needs a new arc. She's going to have a, you know, dump George Farmer, you know, move on. Who knows? Or that the arc is that this is that her new investigations are going into Esoteric Shaggy and the gay Mafia. And then she ends up with Eric Kirk. And now we're going. It gives off some lesbian vibes. Well, that's what Candice's fans are often implying. Yeah. Oh, really? Oh, really? They think she's got a thing for Erica. Well, but basically, yeah, like a lot of the Candice first. I'm not sure Candice herself has done it, but I'm pretty sure she has. But like a lot of the kind of like the broad her allies will definitely like, Oh, Erica's a lesbian. You know, this was this kind of mercenary marriage with Charlie. What I'm sure you can. Speaking of shows that have lost some juice, the Charlie Kirk show itself. It's been replaced. He's got a couple of guys that do it now under his name still. And they had Eric Schmidt on yesterday after his performance, confusing the Hawks with the Hawkeyes. And they like pretended like he nailed Jack Smith, like that it happened to you. It already been caught by Amy Klobuchar. These two doofuses have him on. And they're just like, you're got him there, buddy. And you do wonder if that's why the Charlie Kirk show is falling to 61st place in the current rankings. The news rankings kind of lost him altitude. So maybe that's a risk for Candice as well. Yeah, that was pretty embarrassing. Yeah, that was humiliating, but they were the only ones, right? Like Benny Johnson put up a sweeping like wow, it's one thing, but it's another to have Eric Schmidt on after he did like the biggest self-own in the history of the Senate and be like, dude, you really got him with that Hawks game tech. So you had the tax. And then for Eric Schmidt to sit there and be like, yep, I did. It's like, what? That's nothing to add to it. I have a little shame. Yeah. All right. I want to talk about the Indian question. This got kicked up when Bill French in Texas, posted about how he's upset that there were so many Indian kids at the UT game. Maybe something he's dealing with internally. And then there've been some discussions. Some Chris Rufo was on a podcast where they discussed the Indian question about whether the magazine to do more Indian deportations. And the guys, will you find this for me? The guys at the Black Rifle Coffee, one of those guys? Yeah, so this is not Black Rifle Coffee themselves. This is what is called more broadly, sort of like a Black Rifle Coffee vet bro. So like, this is a story that picks. Okay, so the Black Rifle Coffee has spawned like a specific type of like fan. It's kind of like a swifty, like a swifty, but for Black Rifle Coffee. These are content creators. So the guy in question here is a guy named Dan Holdaway who has like a he's a vet. He's kind of got a macho man podcast. And then it's kind of like, you know, these guys are very to Black Rifle Coffee. They're into, you know, it's, it's almost kind of so way to be honest with you. It's kind of like they love their gear and their guns and whatever. And so, but a key thing about these guys is they're not, they're kind of like a more traditional Republican approach to racism. They aren't just like, like, that's an Indian guy. Like, get him. And so this Dan Holdaway guy, he tweeted, you know, you young guys, you grippers need to shape up and stop being racist towards Indian people. Unfortunately, he deleted the tweet, which is why we're getting to why, but basically, he really picked a fight with the grippers. Then they started saying, all right, who's this Dan Holdaway guy? I think he's our dad or whatever. And they said, wait a minute. This guy six months ago got married to a very prominent adult film actress. A lady, by the way, no, I certainly never heard of her, folks, but maybe just Avalovia. And I think she has something like 500,000 fans on one of these sites, something like that. Did you do a vet? Did you just do a quick vet? I'm getting this all third or fourth hand. You went to Avalovia. Oh, Sam's going to look live. We're on the bulwark computer network. It's fine. It's for research. Go ahead. No, so we don't have a porn filter. You know, this lady has done like an ex account, kind of the race play stuff and the race play. I guess my point being that the grippers are saying, you're telling me how to live this trad guy lifestyle. Your wife's a porn star man. And so then he locks down his account. He kind of freaks out. His wife is standing strong, though. She's now kind of like a libertarian podcast persona herself. And people are like, your, your husband's a cuck or whatever. And she's like, he's not a cuckold. There's not a humiliation aspect to my performances. You know, it's very like in the weeds, but point being. But she's an, she is still, this is not like she was once a porn star. She was once to like a few years ago. And now she's still on only fans. So it's like, you know, we're still in the industry more broadly. And I guess my point being here. Look, I wish this couple the best. Unfortunately, if you are trying to pose as like a conservative moral arbiter, particularly to whip these rowdy grippers in line, I think you're going to have to kind of, you know, you get these things sort of out. I have an idea for what was your name again? Ava. Love joy. Ava. Love. Yeah. Yeah. Love. Yeah. Love. Yeah. Love. Yeah. I think that I think that she would do numbers on her only fans if she kind of did something with like a famous Indian man. Oh my gosh. You know, they did a kind of a collab. Oh my god. With like an Indian porn star. I don't, I don't know who that would be. I'm not very, I'm not deep in the porn. It's got to really get a lot of reaction. Yeah. So that's something to think about. I think it's like good to have a whole sort of team. You do it like kind of, it's going to be an upoo for the sims. Why not why not go all the way and do a lesbians. with Candace. I don't know if Candace is ready to put that. Complete the circle. Man, you are continuing to see, I think, a pretty interesting trend is a backlash against any conservative who wants to do kind of respectability politics on race. And he saw this as Sarah. I could be Sanders this week. She did add with a welfare recipient, people are mad that it was a white guy. And I don't know, the online youth on the right are not giving a niche. Yeah, well, you know, in that case, right. As you said, basically, they were mad. It was a white guy, rather than, you know, they were black single mom, essentially, is what they wanted to see. And, you know, even people like Will Chamberlain, who were not like, creepers, they were just like, this is a disaster, you know, Jack Passovic. But one thing to note about the Indian question discussion, and that's what they called it, on the blaze, was Christopher Rufo's wife is from Thailand. And he still has to say, like, I understand, man, like, I understand why people would want to have all white neighbors. I mean, you can really, I guess, my point being, you can see sort of which wing is ascendant there. Ah, all right. Final thing. There's a big wash and post story on the Groy Perette and her leaving the Groy Per world. And she was doing, she's down in the interview circuit. I don't know. I'm not sure I'm buying it. I agree with you, Tim. I do like to have people who have at Ernest transitions, you know, onto the show we can discuss it through. I don't know if I'm seeing it here with Miss Groy Perette. But she did have an interesting exchange about kind of the initiation fee, if you will, into Groy Perette's home. And I'd like to play that for everybody. They made it very well. That was close post event. If you're a Groy Per, that means they actually told me this. Who's that? The Groy Per's on a Twitter space, they said, you need to suck Nick Fuentes. We would all do it. We would all suck us. If you don't agree with everything Nick Fuentes says, you're a traitor. And so that's what Groy Per became. And it's, that I mean that literally you have to suck his dick or figuratively. It's unclear. Basically, what happened here is that this, this lady, you know, they held a rival event and kind of tried to claim Groy Perism for their own and they got knocked back pretty harsh. But I just love her husband there. I mean, their career has been destroyed. Her husband just said, like, apparently if you're going to suck Nick Fuentes's dick. And that podcast host, by the way, is notorious criminal himself. He's seen some stuff. He started, he's going, oh, Jesus. They're like, you have blown Nick Fuentes. Oh my God. Not a regular guys in the Groy Per world. You know what I mean? Just kind of like watching football, betting on the game, you know, and this is why Eric Schmidt gets into trouble. All right. You've got guys like this. We're staffing. We're staffing. We're staffing. I mean, how many GOP Senate staffers do you think have sucked Nick Fuentes's dick more than more than a few? I think metaphorically many. But yes, that's it. It all comes. This has got to be up there with our most depraved shows. And I mean, we've gone from like one sexual story to another. Well, Sam, I'll tell you what, I've been saving. It's been a little while since we've got a trio. And I've been saving. I got a little tab for trio. So I've been saving it. Is there like a tab within the tab, like the Durange sex tab? Sex. To you. Do you have any false flags coming up? You want to promote will anything, any little teasers for people? Yes. So our upcoming false flag is about the daily wires new pro ice movie that has absolutely roiled a town in Montana. They redo the Renee good shooting. But in sort of like a way that was like ice was justified and they kind of use they use that to kick off the thriller. And a lot of residents there are not happy about it. Tell the best part. We got the script. And we got the script folks. So, so you know, let me tell you, do you need to see this one? You know, do you need to pre pre buy tickets now? Like the Odyssey? You'll have to read false flag to find out. There's a whole subgenre of false flags where you're just reviewing bad daily wire movie content. It's like our third or fourth year. Subscribe to the false flag newsletter. If you're in Montana, support Sam Forestag who would not be on board with pro Renee good murder movies being created. And subscribe over rumble where it takes for more more content like this. You have no idea the depravity that's coming up next. Thank you, Sam. Thank you, Will. Thank you to Maria Kamela. What might have been, you know, in a different world between us? Who knows? It's just two crazy kids. You never know how things are going to turn out. Everybody will see it back here tomorrow. Well, somebody I've never tried to cast. We'll see you later. 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