Manning's Moment, Oregon's Fall, More Michigan Magic, and Other Week 2 Reactions

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Ohio State comes out and absolutely dominates Texas in the first half. To the point where, Mention, you claimed on RIG live that you were thinking about calling me and saying, can we just take a show early? There's nothing else to see. Three fumbles from Texas. One of them lost an interception. There was a throw early to Cam Coleman, the transfer who comes in from Auburn, he's going to save the day. He's going to be that superman that Arch needs a wide receiver because we can't trust the other guy Ryan Wingo lays out has it and like when I say layout, it, it was a controlled layout. It wasn't one of those. Oh, it would have been some spectacular catch. It was a good throw actually. I got some in the air interception. That comes after they've got the freshman who fumbles on the throw behind the line of scrimmage. So now we got a fumble and interception. I think it was a 10 plays two turnovers, 10 or 11 plays two turnovers for Texas, nightmare. Nightmares. Literally. Arch said in the post game, he had nightmares about last year's game. Think about the nightmares. And then you have another play with Ryan Wingo, first half, Arch gets undercut, takes a shot, delivers it, strikes, going to be a touchdown, crawling back and dropped, settle for a feelable. I'm already, I'm already notes on like, how is seller so advanced, his sellers, we talked about saying the pre show, Julian saying so advanced and we see Arch and all this talent. And then the thing totally shifts. So I'm going to throw to you, man, with that is the backdrop drop and the fact that Texas roars back and gets this win. And the final seconds really, once your biggest takeaway here, man, there's a couple. I will just say this quickly to hit on what you said, I did, did say that maybe we should jump on early, but I also didn't feel like they were getting dominated. I just felt like the game got away from them, like the way it went, it just kind of got away from them. And then it looked like it was just going to be, they couldn't get themselves back into it. So probably in a different direction than people might think. I think this Texas offensive line is significantly better than it was last year. And I think it's going to be a factor for them this season and make them a serious contender. I think the Trevor Guzby is the best left tackle in the country. I think the right tackle who's a, is a transfer is really talented in getting better. I thought that they're running game. I still would take Ohio State's running backs over Texas's running backs, but they were physical man. They were a lot more physical than I expected. So to me, it was the, the offensive lines play in this game, I think really helped them come back late. Was their ability to punch it in late was because of that physical play up front. I think there may be something that's getting overshadowed in this game. Yeah, it absolutely will be, but it doesn't mean that it's not the critical. And let's, let's be honest, like Ohio State for a long time was a really, really good football team, but until they became more physical up front and could run the football chip Kelly in that offense, that's when they finally broke through. And I feel like Texas, we've been talking about a long time, super talented, a lot of dudes, Texas high school football. But are they physical enough and do they have that dog mentality? 100% and like to score 21 points to be trailing 23 to 3 in the fourth quarter bench, to have a captain of that ship and an offensive line capable of protecting that captain captain. And in certain situations, being able to open up some holes that were necessary, that it tells me that this Texas team is different. I'll be honest with you and I wish I had it on record. We're going to, we're going to do this thing like McShay after dark because typically I get a little loopy at the end of the shows and I start spouting out and we're just going to call it last call since I was already thinking like, what's my last call going to be tonight? And, and I truly believe in the moment that while watching 23 to 3 and it was just despair for Texas. I thought was I picture a scenario in which we see these two teams play again in the college football playoff and deep 100% football play. You know what I mean? Yeah, 100% because they fumbled three times. The balls bouncing everywhere. They're dropping passes like everything that you Murphy's law, everything that could go wrong went wrong and yet they didn't feel totally out of this thing. I want to go in so many different directions, can I maybe, yeah, can I talk about like look, you look for like pivot points in games, like where can a game turn, right? And I was going to this game and Ohio State goes up, you know, they're up 10 nothing. But then they go for it. If you remember, they go for it on fourth down and Texas stops them and then Texas goes down and gets the field going on like, okay, they've kind of stemmed the momentum. They're going to get back in this game. And then there was this just, but also good, but also the bookmark. Maybe you don't leave points on the board in a road game against the top top five team. 100%. You could question that call, like should they have just kicked the field goal? Now the crowds back into it a little bit. You go back down, it's now it's a touchdown game. But then it swings again, because I think it was a relief round that went to, he steps out of bounds on that third down catch to get in the first down. And then they call it the fourth down play is this, you know, trick like in and around and you give Ohio State great field position and they capitalize with another Jeremiah Smith touchdown and all of a sudden it's 23 going into the half. Like another pivot point in this game. At that point, I was like that, there's these little points in the game that really can swing it. And the running back not picking up the first down there, Brown not picking up the first down was a massive deal. And then they come out and they go, Ohio State gets the ball, but they hold into a field goal. And they're basically just held on and held on until momentum is a crazy thing in college football, man. And then it just shifted. And you could see it. They were making plays. And Jeremiah Smith is kind of a tough ball, but he has a drop also in the past. It's behind him. Usually makes that play. Julian Sand who's looked like an absolute surgeon for most of the game is now not playing as well. He's just not as sharp. So it was just when that momentum shifted, man, you could just tell you could see it. >> Let me, let me take you through the my roller coaster tonight, right? As right or wrong, I'm not exclusively watching it through the quarterback lens, but I'm certainly watching it through a quarterback heavy lens, right? And I'm starting to ask myself these questions, right? As we've seen some other interesting performances that we'll get to later, including your boy Mesta Maker going off versus Dante Moore who looks pedestrian today, right? So I'm starting to kind of just rehash or kind of re-wrap like the wise. And the obvious why do I have archmaning rated so much higher than Julian Sand is 65 to 30 mobility, stronger arm like the physical traits, right? And what he can become and what I'm expecting the growth to be. And then I'm watching Julian Sand man and I'm like, why not? Why can't he be even a tick or two below drew breeze, because I'm watching a young man whose efficiency is remarkable, like almost as if he's got like, you know, you go up against team and you know what defense are going to run sometimes. They have the play sheet. Like the decisiveness in control. Mind you at Texas, right? On the road in complete control of this game. Nothing's phasing him, nothing. He knows where as I should be. He's going from one to two to three and typically hasn't had to get to two or three or if he gets to two and the answer is right there. But then he's delivering it with conviction like falls out ripping it that's there. And yes, Jeremiah Smith's on the back end and we'll get to him in a minute. But it looks easy for him. And then Arch comes on the field and he's got that manning look on his face and it just it feels like a grind and he's holding on to the ball too long which we see not it's not all the time but it's sometimes and mannings he missed the throw here. It's a receiver balls up interception. And hits the receiver balls drop for a touchdown. But there are even some other moments where it's like you can feel it. The pressure is it the pressure? Is it the expectation? Is it he's just not yet like developed? But he's not advanced on certain snaps. Other snaps he appears to be. But there's an inconsistency to his game that makes you start to question the reality. For me. But all along I'm like I know this guy's more talented than the other guy but this guy just makes the position look so much easier. And then we get to the second half. Okay, thank you. And then I'm like I want to see because I want people to understand this and I think they do. But you live in Austin, Texas and you're in this bubble and nothing's bigger than this game. Nothing's bigger than this game nationally when you're talking about college football. But I'm talking about like this is everything. And the pressure that's on you, and the pressure that's been on you from day one. And then you're forced to now go back and watch that tape you didn't want to watch. And you had to watch it because you got to pick up tendencies. You got to learn you got to pick up the mistakes. What did they try to? What did Patricia try to do to to me the first time in us? The first time that was so successful. What are the traps we can't fall into? How do I archmaning be better this time? And he said after the broadcast, I thought it was pretty insightful. Revealing. Revealing. I like he literally had nightmares during the week. And I can actually relate to that. I know that feeling. I've literally woken up think like when you start at the negative thoughts and about a game, you know. And so like it was haunting him to a certain degree. Now what you got, kid, that's what I wanted to see from March. What do you got in the second half? Because whatever you had in the first half, and it was a team effort to be down 23 to three in the first half, the second half, can you can you rally it? And now nothing feels good or natural. You feel like holy shit, it's going to be the same thing as last year. And I know what happened to me last year. I went into tank for a few games. I started questioning whether I was good enough or not. I had self doubt that I never had had before. Because, hey, I'm a manning in B, I'm six, five, I'm two, 30, I'm more talented. I maybe I didn't play the highest class of Texas football, as people like to point out when he's not doing well. Get out of here. But maybe it was too easy for me. And so now you've got this first half of football that makes you're facing this reality. And you come out and you this is one of those moments in life, man. What's it going to be? Am I going to be the arch? Is this going to be the narrative? Am I going to play into it? Or am I going to find a way to rally these 10 other guys? And we're going to figure out what, and he did it. He did do it. And I feel like Texas a lot of times, predating manning. Queen Newers before, like Texas a lot of times comes out flattened games. Like Georgia games I can think of. But there's been a couple of different results. But I can think of big games where Texas comes out flat. But then the pressure is kind of off of them, because they're down 14, 17 points, whatever it is. And they crawl back in only to fail to execute it. Don't look like 20, 20, 20, 25 January, 20, 25 in the, in the college football playoff. The pick six Captain Jack, right? But they are rally back in. So then I'm starting to question, okay, he's doing it. They're doing it. Can he finish it? And he does. And now we get to wake up on Sunday morning. And it's like holy fuck. Arch had his signature moment that we've all been waiting for. And every doubter can kind of go eat it. Right. And Texas did something that Texas doesn't do very often. They man, they pushed Ohio State around in the trenches. And they were just the biggest baddest dude on the block that night. I get number one Ohio State. Agree? I'll say this about Julian saying though, this is, I like Julian saying, I do. But I mean, if he's that great over distributor of the ball and they're that deep on at receiver, he had 17 completions tonight, eight went to Jeremiah Smith, four went to Bo Jackson, two went to Titan Mason Williams. And then he had one each to the receivers. I mean, it wasn't Jeremiah Smith. We should just say this right now is on another planet in terms of his talent in his ability. These are the extra terrestrial. So like when you had, it was used to be this whole thing. And I'm not, I'm not saying this is an apples to apples comp. And I'm almost hesitant to say it. But it does remind me of Johnny Mansell, Texas A&M when he had Mike Evans. And it was like, he's throwing to one of the greatest like 50, 50 guys like the college you've ever seen. Like Mike Evans was unbelievable in college. And it was like, oh, look at Johnny go like running around and don't get me wrong. Mansell was awesome in college. But that being said, Mike Evans had a monster part in that. You know, if, if Arch has Jeremiah Smith, and this is what's interesting to me about this, because I did think, I'm going to say this. This was another thing that popped out to me, and we're bumping around a little bit here. Get me back on the on the rails. >> I don't need to need to. >> No, Cam Coleman is an excellent wide receiver. >> Just seeing him on the same field with Jeremiah Smith. >> Mm-hm. >> It was okay, maybe we can quote, we can quote, we can quote, maybe it's not as we thought it was. >> Yeah. >> What's that? >> It's not as close. We can close the book on that chapter that we tried to start to write of like, hey, Julio Jones. >> Right. AJ Green. >> AJ Green. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> You know? >> No. >> It's not that. >> No. >> And that's not, and I know that Cam Coleman had a tough like that pick. And like, officer, I understand that. I'm still very high in Cam Coleman. >> This is more of a question. >> This is more of a thing about Jeremiah Smith and seeing him on the same field with that guy and saying, oh, you are, you are in a hold on a level. >> I can honestly say this, and yeah, it's a recency bias, that's fine. There's going to be some of that tonight. How could you not have a little bit? >> Yeah. >> My uncle, Cal, Calishman, text me earlier today. Somehow he got on this Randy Moss rant. He's like, were you evaluating on the gap as one of the first years? Because he's the best ever. Like, coming out in the draft like physically. He's like, I know he had like the off the field stuff and he fell, but like just talent-wise. Was he the best in your 26 years? And I actually put some thought into it. Because I feel like these are the questions that people want answers to. And it was like, it was Randy. But I feel like I wasn't even equipped to evaluate back then. >> I was going to ask you that because you're a young evaluator. >> It was literally my second year. I think, believe it was my second year. It was Randy, but in a period of time where I feel good about like, I knew what I was evaluating. And Calvin Johnson to me is the standard. He's the bar from my time evaluating. But I would say, Randy, and since I graduated college and started working in this industry, it was Randy and Calvin Johnson tools wise. I don't, where do we stack Jeremiah Smith with that? And what got me on this is honest to God, I don't remember ever witnessing a half of football against competent competition that was as dominant as that first half that we saw from Jeremiah Smith. I want to throw out this graphic. >> A little unexpected, right? >> A little unexpected. >> This Texas defense, for all Texas' problems with Ohio State, the previous two losses, dating back to January of 2025, then obviously last season in the opener. They bottled them up and appreciate Tucker putting this graphic together for us. Seven catches, 46 yards. No scores for Jeremiah Smith in those two games, right? He had, tonight, he had eight for 164 and a touchdown. More catches tripled his receiving yards and had a touchdown. And in that first half that I'm referencing, it was six catches, 110 yards and one catch. He was on pace for 12, 220, and two against Texas's defense. >> Pretty good defense. So, yeah, I don't know where else to take it, but I would have to put it for me coming out in the draft. I didn't know if I'd ever see another Calvin, you know? And now I'm watching him. And yeah, the cop with Julio Jones and all that, but to see him dominate a game like that, but then to see it fall, to see it, meaning the offense start to sputter in the second half. We do have to give some credit. This is a new defense, man. Yeah. This is a Will Muscat defense that we're like, is it going to work? Is there so used to zone back off? And I did notice early in the game, there was a key play, it was a third down, and it was an early in the game. It might have been the first touchdown drive for Ohio State. It was a key third down. I'm watching Colin Simmons, number one, I want to see if he's going to get home, it is a pass rusher. He doesn't. I'm watching. What are we doing against Jeremiah? So they just dropped into zone. It was like the old defense. They didn't double him. They didn't bracket. So high low, they didn't go inside out and he had that crosser from the left side, deep crosser left side to right, caught the ball, took the hit, bang, big first down in that moment. But what wasn't working in the first half, we got to go back and watch the tape, but we're watching the game. I know. A million things going on. Right. I can't wait to watch this tape. And there's a couple other tapes that like we, I got a busy week now, all of a sudden. It felt like they were a little more physical at the line with him. Like as the game progressed, which you, I, like you have to do that with him. If you, if you could win at the line of scrimmage, you give yourself a chance. If you don't, you are in trouble. If you let him get off the line and he can get to his spots. I mean, he doesn't necessarily have to separate because of that frame and that strength. He just needs to get to where he wants to go. It's almost like in the NBA, guys know where their shots are and they're getting to that part of the court. And it's just, if he gets to where he wants to go, you're in trouble. Alan Simmons, we were watching on IG live and you always want to see your clothes or clothes. And while he didn't get home on that, on that last pass rush, he, he did draw the penalty on, on, on his last real, like true pass rush attempt. Right. He drew the, he drew the holding call on, on the right tackle. Right tackle. Yeah. I got to go back and watch the tape on Colin Simmons. I thought he was kind of quiet for a little while, then he had that big sack. I thought the defense, the interior defensive line got better as the game went on for Texas. I agree. Yeah. I want to say this so early, I want to say this though, that Ohio State team is still one of the two or three best teams in the country, man. Oh, yeah. And there's something, there's something to losing a game you should have won and you know, in your mind. You know, Ohio, Ohio State's mind, the players minds, we know we're better than Texas. What just we had a fluke. Yeah, we had them. We had not, not just we had, yeah, that, that was our game. We let them have like that, that's, that's on us that won't happen again. And for Ryan Day, like go back to like the Nick Saban stuff of like, I would much rather lose a, you know, a, a close game than, then win an ugly game where, where we have like self, kind of inflated, inflated ego about who we are, because this is, that is, this gives the, gives Ryan Day the offer in his staff, Matt Patricia, who by the way, can genius, man. He is absolutely what he does. You lose eight to the NFL draft, you lose seven, including three of the top, top 11 picks the NFL draft, and you're putting this product on the field again with a bunch of guys, like I know who they are, because it's my job. And when we, like, pre scouting and all of that, but the nation doesn't, you know, these guys are kind of new to the whole deal, the vast majority of them. But for Ohio State, like it is a nightmare to wake up on Sunday, right? But I think that they're, they'll wind up in the end being better for this. I truly do. Yeah. For Texas now, I mean, pull up their schedule, and I don't hold it up right now. We're not doing the win-lost thing. For Texas, you hope this doesn't become a little bit of a trap. How do you handle success? This is the next challenge or opportunity, whatever way you want to frame it. But how do you handle success? Now you are, you, now that you've done this, what are you going to do moving forward? They have UTSA next week, and then they're at Tennessee. So that would be an interesting one. And then they got Oklahoma and the rivalry game. Ole Miss is towards the end of October. But look, man. He just listed off three teams right there that like we're going to war, and I know Oklahoma do not get to that in just a minute. But you're going to war. Yeah. And that may not be enough, I mentioned something. Is this something we build off of or does this become a trapping, you know? Yeah. Man, man, let's reflect for a second. They're down 23 to 3. I honestly was like, for some reason I always feel like, here we go, the archite. Make sure, yeah, you know, Archie, you go to Manning Passing Academy. I'm pulling for all these guys, but it's good to see the one guy who's at the most pressure and the most eyes on him and the most people, quite frankly, wanting him to fail to actually shove it up. Everyone's asked for a minute, you know? I'll say, listen, Herbie, Herbie played the position and knows a lot more about playing quarterback than I do. And I certainly don't think he's rooting for Arch to fail, but that was starting to irritate me tonight, man. Like, it just felt like there was a lot of arch lowers his eyes and arch isn't comfortable in the pocket and arch. You can just see that arch isn't there yet and it felt like the narrative was that Julian saying, like you were kind of hinting at as a form or develop player. And then like, you know, Julian saying, may that play any, any roles to his right and throws back to the tight end across the field and, you know, the comment was showing great poise again. And I was like, Julian saying's played, they showed a stat line at that point and it was terrible for the second half. And the narrative was just that, you know, Arch was getting vastly outplayed in this game and it just, it struck me because I do think there are people out there who think that there's this pro-Arch faction of the media and these people that are real, I think there's just as much, you know, working against him that are people are, you know, like anyone else who put on a pedestal in the society, we're ready to take him down. We're ready to knock him off of it. And I think there's that there's an element to that again. I don't know. I'm not saying that specifically about him, but I just felt like the narrative tonight was arch is still not there yet. And it was like, dude, he just put that team on his back at the end and help them with that game. We did a preview and now it's just dawned on me. Both guys are best suited to be the quarterbacks for their respective teams and their offenses, right? And we agreed on that. Yep. Saying, here's the question, I'm just going to ask you and I know my answer is why I'm asking the question. Could Julian of saying led that, could Julian of Julian saying have led that come back? Identical circumstances. I say yes because I have a high opinion of him as a quarterback, but I would want arch in that situation still. I tell you coming out of halftime. After watching saying and how brilliant he was in the first half and how it was rolling, you can swap quarterbacks, you want to say in in the second half or do you want arch? I still want to arch because of his ability to extend and make plays of this feat. I want to arch. Yeah. I want to go on the game. Yeah. But that's what we talked about and if you put either these quarterbacks in just any given offense in the country and removal, Ohio State removed Texas from the equation, I'm taking arch. I think part of what makes saying so great, part, don't get this twisted. I actually think I'm higher on saying than I know I'm higher on saying than a lot of NFL scouts. Let's put that way. I think saying can be a good starter in the right system in the NFL. Not everyone in the league agrees with that. I look at arch though and he gives you a chance because a, herbie wasn't wrong, man. He was, he has this tendency to re-determine and lock on and stay with and against him in trouble. It's why he threw that pick against Texas State the week before. We saw it a few times tonight, but it doesn't mean that defines him. It defined him a lot more last year, especially in this game. But I'm going to start pushing that people start to see what really defines arch. That dude doesn't get rattled. He isn't as advanced as saying right now in terms of presenaperides, the consistency, understanding where to go with the ball and, and, and, and, and quite frankly, consistency of placing the football. He's not there yet with saying. But what saying doesn't have is this ability to carry a team. That's the difference from it. And we've seen it now several times. The second half of last year and obviously today, there've been games where he just has, he gets sometimes as a quarterback, he's just got to reach down and grab him. >> Yeah. >> Onion check time, man. >> Yeah. >> And that doesn't matter, wrist is injured, trainers are looking at it. We're not protecting, guys are dropping passes, balls falling loose everywhere, like Chris goes on it. >> I agree with what. I agree with you with him holding on to the ball too long and that's sack that he took when he could have just thrown the, or the, yeah, I guess we call it sack, we're going to just throw in the ball out of bounds early in this game and I was like, man, you can't do that. Just flip it out of bounds at that point, you know you're going down, like, those are the kind of things we'll drive you crazy. But let me ask you this, compare his footwork, archest footwork now and his placement now and his consistency now. >> Right, light ears, light ears, I, dude, the mostly, I was honestly scared last year. I was scared last year for the young man, for the young man that this doesn't look right, something's wrong. I remember, I'll be honest with you, I texted Archie at one point and asked, is something going on with the shoulder? >> Okay. >> Well, he always does the thing on the field too, I'm like, what are we doing here? >> He doesn't know the field. >> There were some shot put things, it wasn't all jiving for me. It wasn't this synchronized from a guy, from a young man who has had every opportunity to work with any coach he wants and has been around ball his whole life. It didn't all look and the answer was like there's a lot going on in here. How does a human being get his first, get to start the first game of his first season as a full-time starter and he's the number one overall pick, he's the highest in trophy winner. He's the national championship and by the way, you get to start going to Columbus. These all sound like excuses. I'm just saying, you asked the question what it was to what it is now. This is good enough and we'll only get, that's the thing with Archie. >> That projected forward, projected forward is what I'm saying. >> That's the thing with Arch. And that's why I'm not ruling out, he's coming back in 2027. Let's see how the season plays out of, so that from the beginning. But two throws that really jump out, the Wingo touchdown and the Moseleaf pass that got them down to the three or two yard line, whatever it was. >> Yes. >> Those are quote unquote routine throws. You get them all, you get the ball out in time, in rhythm, it should be an easy completion because of the play. And guess what, tonight they were, last year they weren't always. >> They weren't. Just plays again in the second half against Mississippi State where he's ripping the ball. And you would see him make these runs that were just incredible. It's the routine plays. Can he make the routine throws? And he did in a high press or situation there and that's what's so encouraging to me. And we can compare him to saying, we can compare him to whoever else you want in terms of where he is in his development. But I'm telling you right now, development's going well. He is learning, he is getting better. And if he continues on this arc, then watch out, he's going to be the arch that all of the people who said he could be, the people that said he could be the first overall peck. This is the version of arch that they're talking about. >> Josh from Indiana, I'll leave it, I'll leave this game on this note. Josh from Indiana on our, it's the final five, come watch the last five minutes of the prime time game each Saturday night with Mattia and I. It's a treat, it's a disaster, it's funny. We got a group that they're diehards that have been with us like almost literally since day one, which is October 22nd of 2024, right? But Josh from Indiana just wanted to remind people out there and it's an interesting no, like it's kind of, it's obvious in some ways, but it's a really good reminder. And I think this is what you're like, if you're in Columbus, our family littered all over Ohio, grandparents were Sandusky area, moms and mason, but like all around, like I've been, I've listened to the talk show stuff and it ain't pretty. And we grew up in Boston with the Red Sox and the talk show stuff, so like we understand it. Well, how it stays now one in three in the last four games? >> That's just seems odd because of how good they are. 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Games rated E to E 10 plus. >> We went over 30 minutes, and we're not making this a marathon show. We're back on Monday, we'll have to, we'll dive into the tape, but like I can't think of a better game. What else do you want to talk about tonight? Well, I'll tell you a couple other things that we need to talk about. We'll get to Michigan, I mean, the better game was Michigan Oklahoma, but let's just get to the Mesta Maker Bowl for a second here. Oklahoma State, there's so many different directions, especially if you follow the show, and you know that I am, I was not a Mesta Maker believer coming into the season, okay? And then you got him doing this against Dante more, right? And then there's the whole element of like, what is Oregon as a football team? And so I'm going to start with you, Bench, because I'm assuming you have some strong opinions and you can go Mesta Maker, you can go Oregon, you can go Dante, you can go wherever you want. But like, there's a few things that have to be addressed here. What's the first from your opinion? Well, I think you just hinted at it in that, what is Oregon's identity? They're just a collection of talent now. I coached with a guy, he's the head coach of Holy Cross now, Dan Kern, we coach at Mariamack together. You used to talk about guys who could stop the bleeding, and these are basically character guys. When things are going bad, who's going to be the guy who's going to stop the bleeding? I don't know who those guys are on Oregon right now. I don't know who the, you know, Dante Moreg can be a different kind of leader. You don't have to be a railroad guy, but I don't know who the guys are like, I'm just going to refuse. I mean, who's the Akim, the, the Mesa door on that team? Like, who's the guy who's like, I refuse to let this happen? And look, I'm just going to say it. Right now, they're like, you could do whatever you want about Dante Moreg, you could talk about the defensive line underperforming, you could talk about all of these things. The coaching is a problem. When your team's not ready to go for the season opener, the coaching is a problem. When your team goes on the road after like, eaking out a win against a boys' state team that's not nearly as good, the coaching is a problem. You have a new player caller for your team. Will Stein's in Kentucky. He's gone. Let's keep going forward on 4th down. Let's go 0 for 5 on our first 4th out of 10 for the season. And then when there's almost seven minutes left of the game and the ball's under on 33 and you're supposed to have a great defense, let's go for it again and go 0 for 6. What are we doing? I don't understand. Like there is a coaching problem and you could talk again, they were getting their asses kicked in the trenches. You got a running back losing a fumble late in this game, can't have it. There are so many things you can go over, but it starts with Dan Lanning. It starts at the top and he said that after the game. He said as much. He said, I have to have them better prepared. But like, I don't want to hear about weather delays, I don't want to hear about heat. I don't want to hear about this clock. You know, they had to be up at 4 a.m. West Coast time to get ready for this game. Everyone has to do it. That's college football today, man. There is no reason that Oregon should lose this game. And no offense to Oklahoma State who apparently is doing everything and Drew Mestermaker is a talented quarterback. He's inconsistent. But you could see what he could do when he's playing well, when he's on a heater. But this is an Oregon thing. And we talked about them being the best, I thought they were going to win the national championship this year. They're not even in the same conversation as Ohio State and Indiana. They're the third best team in the Big Ten, maybe, maybe. And that's only if they can get this thing turned around, which they can because they have so much talent, but it's got to start happening now. You said a lot there. I mean, my role is, I mean, you know, I'm a Dan Lanning fan. Well, I was just, I want to make sure Iowa put away Iowa State in a beautiful 16 to 13 game before I had made the point that maybe they're the fourth best behind, behind Iowa. Yeah. You know, forget USC. And what was there in that group now, right? They've gone from the, from the Ohio State, I don't know what Oregon is, right? There's USC Michigan, I think Michigan's in their conversation with them. That was unthinkable at the beginning of the season. Thank you. to see Michigan, Iowa, I think all of those teams, that's kind of where Oregon is now. Massive day for Drew Mestemaker, 75 yard touchdown run. I didn't know that guy could run 75 yards. This is a dream day for young, like forget their scouting element of it and we have plenty of time to break down Drew Mestemaker and there's some really promising things that we've seen. You can go as long as you want to Mestemaker. I'm not like poo pooing any of it. He finishes the day, 26 of 43 for 317 yard, two touchdowns, two interceptions and he ran for 109 on six carries, okay? And he did it like helicopter in the air doing his best Mendoza, 75 yard touchdown run out running Oregon's secondary. I thought that Oregon's secondary was supposed to be one of the best in the, what do we, like, what? But, but the story, too, of he like was a backup high school quarterback and, and North Texas, it finally gets to play and like takes off and now he gets a shot at Oklahoma State and they lose their first game, man. And it was like so easy to write up. Yeah, we kind of, good story, but there's some people in the league who like, who absolutely believe that this guy can develop into it like a first round draft pick. And I want to remind everyone it probably won't because it, and I have a scout text me tonight. I'll, I'll give you the exact, something about volume is like volume isn't there. Right. Like volume tells me he like I'm basically the league needs him to play another year in college football. He hasn't, he just hasn't played the position enough in order for him to be in the best position to have success in the league. So this is a story we can talk about for this year and probably most likely for next year, especially given the depth of talent of quarterback this year. I do find it interesting that Pete Dammell, I guess we're maybe released it today. I think I saw, I saw honestly in the background a clip of the game day where he does this thing. We talk about it every year. It's awesome. I love Pete. We've had Pete on many times in the show. But Pete's like, I'm just glad you're bringing this up. Well, 25 evaluators in the NFL, who's the projected number one, QB1 for 2027. He does this every year. It's always a fun thing to comment on and react to. I wonder after today, how much this would change? Yeah, it was published today, September 12th. Dante Moore 14, archmaning seven votes for QB1. The Nora Sellers 2, Sam Levit 1, CJ Carr 1, not even close by the way. Now again, again, I'm assuming he's polling people in the summer and maybe into the first week of the season. I'm not exactly sure I can text Pete and find out. But I do start to question. There's more to playing quarterback than just being the most, the best pure pocket passer. And so, like, and I saw, I saw those two consecutive throws that Dante made today. It was a really good NFL throw. I'm blanking now. It was come back to his last year. It was it's Corey Moore touched down and then the very, yes, in the very next throw was you Corey Moore, which is just wow, like a tear drop from God down through the clouds. And we all know he's great. And he's going to be a very, very hydropic and he should be a very, very good pro. But you do what you do by coming back for this last year is two things. You actually put yourself into like, adversity is a great thing for you. Anything that you go through this last year will make you better for next year. But you also run the risk of exposing some warts. Now these aren't warts like Club Nick, Nuss Meyer with the injuries and like, these are fine tune warts, you know, where you start to, we got to really start picking and you come back for another year. And Archer's just in the second year as a starter, where we got more done. So I don't know, but I'm watching him don't say more. And Mensa hasn't really played any, but I loved Mensa's tape and I'm wondering why is there no Darian Mensa on here because we're going to release in about, we're going to release this week. Let's put it that way. Maybe in the next 24 hours, if you're watching this on Sunday, our top 50 list. And I've made some tweaks to our quarter back list because I'm starting to believe it because I'm starting to see it with my own eyes. Like, Mensa's going to be higher up there. We'll see. We'll unveil all of it. It's the, the ringer.com/mixhe. But I just wonder, and then you watch Archer in the second half tonight and wow, people from the league texted me like, even before the second half, like, well, like, you better believe he's, like, the stat line throw, like, this guy is the, is the deal. He's not there yet. From CJ Carr, we haven't seen anything yet, but my gosh, is he efficient, you know? I just think it's a tighter race at the top than what is, what is illustrated here with 14, seven and Lenora sellers at two. I agree. But I will say this. This is something that I'm kind of over. I guess you could say, we want to start doing this thing enough already. This will be my enough already for this week. How about that? Okay. Yeah. I'm over. I'm over it with the moving quarterbacks on Saturday night. That is the appropriate way to handle that conversation right there. Enough already. You're saying, Hey, Tucker, throw up our quarterbacks in their production from today. Sorry, sorry. Morgan, sorry. Really sorry, Oklahoma state that this snowballed into this conversation. We've got more 14 of 29, 191, two touchdowns. Men so like doesn't really matter, but 14 to 15, I think he's, I think he said four incompletions in two weeks. But like, we've got to see some competition. But you're starting to see the efficiency there, Lenora sellers had a rough day, man. Which is interesting. They played a house. House. House. House. This is what powders were there. Richmond lost 77, nothing to North Carolina state, by the way. Yeah. If I'm not in North Carolina state after, yeah. No, but which was not going to cover in that game. The alumni. But pissed. But go ahead. But let me say this, it tries to mean no, I'm like, I'm trying to be more active on X because I really do enjoy interacting with the people who listened to us. And like, there can be some really great conversations on there. They love your hats. You watch. Yes. And I can't, I just got to tell you, like, it drives me nuts when it's, you know, there's a lot of guys coming out today. I was like, I never was high on Dante more. It was like, oh, really? But it's a nice thing to just come out and say that now, you know, like, I didn't see much for an opinion about this earlier. But you know, it's just nuts of, well, because of this game, he's got to go there and arched at this. So he's going to be the, it is a, it disgusts me. I'm with it. It tries me. Totally with it. And it's so like, basically, we're basically talking about TV tape and stats, TV statement, tape and stats. And like, I'm not saying that Dante more, I have the same sense of you that he is losing his grip on that number one spot. I want to have that conversation, I'm just trying to, I'm trying to pick my spots when the conversation makes sense because enough of that bullshit. But don't forget when we did it in the summer before anyone played a game this year, I said, I don't think, and you totally agreed with me. And I think you actually cut me off before I finished my sentence. I don't know that there's that big of a difference between Mensa and Dante more. Yeah. We said it, and we went back and forth on all the reasons why. And so now we get through two games and one guy is putting up record setting numbers against nobody. And another guy is doesn't look great and his team looks like shit. And I'm less, I don't, he completed 49, 48.3% of his passes today for 191 yards and two touchdowns, no, I don't give a shit about that. I do start to wonder like there's the ultimate captain that goes down with the ship and that's the head coach, but within, but within the ranks, there's a sergeant general pardon me for not understanding that I actually, I don't mean to disrespect anybody. There is, there is one in charge underneath. Right. I don't know what is either, but I get what you're saying. There's an structure and a hierarchy of how this is supposed to work. Right. And then the next guy that's got to go down with the ship is got to be the quarterback. And yeah. And from that position, we need a little bit more of what we saw from March in the second half and, and, and, and, and, yeah, I don't know, like even watching e and my liava, you still lay sometimes. I'm like, man, that guy, like, there's something to him and sellers the way he rallies his team, but he's nothing going, you know, that's the part I'm missing with Dante. Does he mean he's not our number one rated quarterback? No. No, I'm just saying like this next year gives us an opportunity. Now I want to see how he rebounds and like what the reaction is. And you grow from these moments, right? Right. And you can have this conversation on the setter tonight. I think it's okay to say that, but then you have to revisit it after you lost state. And I'm doing a newsletter. I'm doing a newsletter this week because I didn't. I was so locked. Here's the next game we're going to get to last last one I think tonight. Michigan, Oklahoma. I was so locked into that game that I, and then there was a delay and then Alabama kicked off. There was just a bunch of stuff going on. I was like, I need to go back and study this tape before I issue some proclamation on where I am with Mesta maker or where I am with Dante more. But I'm just I'm sharing tonight and call this my last call. I'm going to have a couple of them. I get the sense in the next few minutes. But like the mishae after dark last call is I'm legitimately starting to be like this now. Here's my last call. QB1 for the disbonded historic 2027 class has never been more of an open field for me than it is today. And it and it only I only sparked the this conversation was sparked by some of the play on the field, but also by this is when families releasing to the 25 evaluators and what their thoughts were, I don't see a race that's 14 Dante more seven archmaning two Lenora sellers, one each for leavening car with no mention of Darian Mensa. Yeah. Okay. I hear you. That's my last call. I just want to pull this up. I think we're closer to we're starting. We're closer to the start line than we are the finish. And that's obvious because we're in week two. But I don't want people to miss can through this this QB1 race or forget even QB one like who you're going to grade the highest in this class based off of what it was coming into the year. I think it's more wide open than people think. Nationally. It's you know, the only thing that's interesting about that because this is what I wanted to pull up. I don't think we've been pretty clear that Dante more has been the top quarterback on our board coming into the season. We're pretty clear that we thought Dante more could be the first overall pick last year until I think Mendoza really pulled away in the playoffs. But there was a conversation at one point, but like I'm just looking at your grades now and I don't want to give too much away. There are six quarterbacks separated by two points. Yes. So I mean, there it is. It's always been a tight race like it. We're not. We've we've talked at length about how good this quarterback group is. So the fact that some of them are going to start jockeying and moving ahead and some are going to be slipping behind all that. I think that's all healthy, but we won't you're right. This is the beginning of the process. Let's not overreact. Like I look, I just had you knew I was going to have to say something about it. Same levit last week look like he was going to win the Heisman and he's going to be the best quarterback and he's going to be the first guy to go. He's going to go first overall. And tonight he goes against Louisiana Tech and play like look, he played better. And he ran for three touchdowns to understand that. He also threw three picks, including a hundred. Tucker, Tucker, throw up, throw up, throw up those stats for me. Thanks. So let's see, let's throw 38, 34, 34, four touchdowns. No, three rushing touchdowns. So one throwing touchdown. And I'll and I'll I'll give you I'll give you another scout. You ready? Here we go. I get my point, right? This is going to be a little bit of a roller coaster. And that's because it is so tight. And this is a good line. Oh gosh. Someone said you were text. Yeah. It's going back and forth all day with all bunch of different folks. I was busting balls about at gay back this week because this individual didn't didn't see it. And it was telling me to protect my career that you can't put him. You can't let him sniff anywhere in the top third messener. I'm going back and forth. You know. Yeah. And and his response was let's see how the season plays out. And then and then it fast forward to today. And it's it was it was a it what do you say about love it? He had a if you want to get off the levitt train, let me know. Same same for mater. Been telling you and I wrote back shut up. I said it's a long season with levitt because I mater is a difference. So we're about to get to that. I was like, but like he's like, oh, so now it's a long season, huh? And I wrote that long season mess with him like same applies long season. And he's like, oh, now it's a long season. And I was like, but I but I deserve it right now. I'm love it. Like basically that cool. And he's like, he really goes, this ain't a hobby. Great line. This ain't a hobby. Anyway, so that was that was it's interesting to all these different opinions, right? Yeah. Mater those we transition to Oklahoma and and and Michigan and my gosh, like what a story. Unbelievable. You called this one extra sec. I did. I did. You did. I did. Um, I didn't call Minnesota by the here's another guy. I know. They're all over the way. How are we going to do with Camario Taylor? Is he reinventing what a human being has to be to be? I know. It's a quarterback because dude, it's scary. I didn't think you'd be this polished. Who's when's the eligible 2028? Yeah, I think so. Thank goodness. I can't deal with another one. Oh, oh, in the, uh, in the Louisville kid, Brahms doing it again. Tyler shot and point out. Yep. We got a hands full, man. So I want to say kid put up some numbers. There's the Minnesota kids doing some things like they're they're do they're all over the place. But John Matier, remember I said this summer, I I hesitated to even bring up the the mechanics and all that. I've been doing this too long and when the bullets start to fly. And I'm not saying it's a disaster, but I'm saying it's it's not, you know, how many times did he miss high today? Yeah, it's a problem. So this can be fixed, but I'll also tell you this about Matier. If if I've got to go into an alley and fight off of the few dudes that are bigger and better than me and I get one quarterback to pick, I'm taking that son of a bitch. Do you see the helicopter hit? Oh, yeah, twisted in the air and just, I mean, unbelievable. The look, but, but from a passing development standpoint, there's been a regression since Washington state. Yeah, let's be honest. There's two conversations here. There's Oklahoma's offense and then there's John Matier as an NFL draft prospect. And I think, but the real conversation quite, go ahead, sorry. I was gonna say if we're gonna knock out the Matier conversation right now, it's this is why he's not in the in the top group. This is why he's considered a farther down the board prospect, wherever that might be. It's just because the the accuracy is just so inconsistent. But that being said, he cannot be your top rusher. They need to get a run game going. And their offensive line could not block three guys today. They could not handle a three man rush. So as much as we can, you know, John, John Matier needs to be better and more accurate, he's not the real problem there. That offensive line, that group up front has to play a lot better for them to be competitive against against good teams. Was there a team that had more of a bunker mentality and had a, was there a better coach for it? Than Michigan with Kyle would. Apparently. My really not. And you know what? Sometimes your job as the leader as that captain of the ship is to know what button to press at the right time. And I get news for folks out there. We live in NIL and and and then player quarterback entitlement has been going on long before. And guys were getting paid a lot of money before, not this kind of money, but they were getting paid before in college football. We all know that. My point in saying all of this is sometimes sometimes you. The like parenting, the kind parenting where you talk through things and you give options and all that stuff. Sometimes when you spoil the young man so much and everything's been given to him, including God gifting him with some physical tools that that very few on this planet have been gifted. >> Sometimes it's time to pull the rug from underneath and be like, but how are you going to do it? >> I would substitute young man for, I would substitute roster for young man, but he specifically talking about Bryce Underwood this week, I get it. But I think the whole roster was, Bryce Underwood was called out, you got to understand, Bryce Underwood's been the best athlete to step on field, a court, or wherever he stepped on his entire life. He's been on this path to collect this money from Michigan, $12 million. He's been glorified, but everywhere he goes, he's Bryce Underwood, right? No one has ever done to Bryce Underwood what was done to Bryce Underwood this week. And it was in a very simple, non-threatening, but threatening manner, when Winningham says, starting job is not infinite. >> Right. >> And you got to earn that position every day, man. >> Every day. >> Rents to every day, is that what they say or something like that, yeah. >> It was brilliant, it was brilliant, and the national meetings, oh my gosh, it's going to happen, it's falling apart at Michigan, and behind closed doors, I finally get the young man's attention, can we go to work? Because it's not your job, you aren't anointed, you are not a king, this is a production-based business, and you are now part of the business because you're collecting $12 million, so let's go to work. And he comes out, and you're not going to change his mechanics or his ball placement all that overnight, but my gosh, this is a different Bryce Underwood than we've ever seen. This is a Bryce Underwood that had ownership of this team and his decisions. And it was a Bryce Underwood that showed, he's going to miss some targets, but my decisions have consequences, and I'd better start being accountable for him. And in doing that, it allowed them to run the football more, because they didn't possess the ball more. It allowed them to feature some other players. It allowed their defense to have rest, and to come out on a fair fight, hey boys, bring a machete to a machete fight, and Michigan's defense for the last year in change have been butterknife to a machete fight. And so we now see John Henry daily, and we see Dom Nichols, and that's a good pair. That is a good duo on the edge, man. Those two are. See the NFL draft near you. Yeah, it was, it was pretty cool to watch. He's been so up and down, and then all of a sudden 24 yard pick to set him up for the game winning touchdown. It was actually really nice to see him make a play because I think he's been, he's one of those players that's put under a microscope a little bit because of how talented he is. I mean, he's got a length, he's got speed. He's a guy that can play on Sundays, but it hasn't had the tape. He made an awesome play, awesome play, to like really give Michigan that win to set him up for the win. And what under what he realized it, under what realized something today, it's an important lesson to learn. Sometimes it's not about you and what you can do. Sometimes it's about what, I've listened to someone recently talking about quarterback, like distributing, sometimes the position is about being a playmaker. Sometimes it requires you to be a playmaker, but fun was a lot to leave the court. Andrew Luck was saying it, yeah, yeah, yeah. But fundamentally, the quarterback position is about distribution. It's about giving you. It's not about you. That's right. It was our conversation with Andrew Luck and I thought it was brilliant at the time. And it just came back to me. So what happened today was they win with defense, edge pressure, pressure, big place here and there from the secondary, a quarterback who runs the ball and grinds it when they need to get it and distribution and key moments. And most importantly, the less than he learned today, if I can do all these things, let the other guy be the asshole. Yeah. Let the other quarterback go be the guy who makes that guess this, right? >> Yeah, I mean, there is, listen, Oregon is a far more talented team, but Michigan has an identity. And I think that makes them a better football team right now. They know who they are. They have an identity. I don't know what Oregon is, I have no idea. >> I don't either. I know Oklahoma's identity. I just don't know if it's enough, but we'll see, they'll rebound from this. I don't think their defense is quite as strong, but they'll get there as they have been. Mater is going to be a fascinating case study to see how does he respond as a passer. Will we ever get to see the old mater slinging it all over the yard? >> I think you got to let him do his thing, I think, by the way. I mean, again, two different conversations, John Mater, as the prospect you want him to become, start working on more of the pocket stuff and being on time and operate within the offense. But I think if Oklahoma really wants to win and get the most out of him, it's just got to be the John Mater show and you're going to live and die with some of these force throws. And hopefully he makes enough plays for you guys to go on a run. I think we're learning about Texas A&M, I thought that that was a pretty good second half. I've learned a lot about Alabama today, but I think you did too. >> I'm starting to like that Alabama team, yeah, and what they can be when the freshman quarter back starts to figure out some of the underwood stuff that we're talking about. >> That defense played with a physical edge in the second half that I don't remember seeing at all last year. Like that was they were a lot of violence, violence and 11 guys playing for the 10 other brothers. >> Yeah, that was different. >> I was worried about DeBoer in this regime in Alabama following Sabin. I'm not saying I'm not and like it's over and they're going to be, but this is why they hired him. >> Well, that aerosol, like you're not going to have another Sabin run I don't think. I mean, it's going to be tough to do what Sabin did in today's college football. I could just do this, but they're going to be very competitive. >> Texas number one, when we get the poll? >> Should be. >> I think they've earned that right. >> Doesn't matter, but- >> It does not matter. >> No. How far is it going to go? >> They out. >> It was bad, man. It's fast. >> It's fast. >> It was still low. It was still low. It texted me this morning. I'll give you one last text because these Saturdays happen. They don't happen fast, but there's a lot that goes on. It was still low. It texted me and I don't know. 11.05 am. There's before the games even start. He was showdown between our guys today and I was saying arch, question mark. He's like Sellers Mestemaker and I'm like- >> More Mestemaker, but yeah. >> Yeah, I was like, I was like, yeah, Mestemaker more, got you. I was like, the Versillo Mench Special, and I didn't even get into Sellers, but I got into that with him on his show. And then he said, if 5.11 pm after Mestemaker did what he did, all I get was I just wanted the work to be acknowledged. >> All right, I'll leave you on this that note. Newsletters coming out, if you're watching, this is probably out. It'll be out any minute. If you're sick of watching at 3am, when we appreciate all sickos, we're doing it. And then we'll have another one with Dante, more Mestemaker and some other fun stuff later in the week. Top 50 is coming out. We just kind of give you a sneak peek into some of the quarterback thoughts, TheRinger.com/McShay. Go check it out. >> Top 50 with reports. >> With full evaluations. >> Full evaluations. >> Full deal. >> Yeah. >> And if everyone's kind this week, maybe there'll be a mock draft by the end of the week. I don't know. We'll see. >> That's what we're doing. We have to play nice. I got it. >> New assholes. >> But still five stars. 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