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Overlapped Daily's brought to you by our title sponsors Skybett and Sky Vegas. This is a global and the overlap production. Big day today, big day, big day. Why? Ballon door. Oh yeah, huge. Ballon door tonight. Did you get invited? Did you get invited to the Ballon door? Out the two of us, credential wise, who's more likely to get invited? Who did get invited? I didn't. You didn't? And I did. It's just cool to show you the game is now in 2006, doesn't it? What they needed seat fillers, so they call me. Because people like that. It means probably you reject an invitation. So you had a seat filler? I'd like to think about it. No, I'd love it if you got there and my name was on the back. Can you imagine? I'd love it. Steve and Jera are not coming, I think. No, I did get invited, actually. You did? I did, actually, yeah. You didn't want to go? I got the invitation after I'd already made important plans. Because I've got a soccer camp school. Okay, fine. To go and visit, and a lot of kids have signed up sort of, or I'll let them down. No, I get that, I get that. Priority. But you don't like going to things anyway, really, do you? Because I asked you if you got an idea. I'm not a shoot man, I'm not a black time man. No. I'm not a sit-in, I haven't four course meals, and I'm, no. You're in and out. But the Ballon door. It's a bit different, isn't it? Did you go in 2005? No. You didn't even go when you were nominated. No, I was third. Ten, up to get third. It's not good enough. Did you know you were third beforehand? Yeah. How far in advance did you know? I was. So it was on the day, it wasn't days before. Day before. Day before, got a card mark. Because I wanted. Have you shoot ready, and have you in case of one, eh? Only two. No, only two. Oh, sorry. No, I've got a card mark saying that, ehm. Obviously, still welcome to come and blah, blah, blah. But I just pretended I had all the plans. You just thought I'm not sitting there. Because who was you with third? Second was. Frank Lampard. And the winner. Ronaldinho. I mean, if you're going to come third to anybody, eh? He's pretty impressive, Ronaldinho. Yeah. No, that about time to recover from that, yeah. Were you upset? No, but I thought I had an outside chance, I would say. Hmm. It'd been good. Good time, good period for you. Yeah, it was, obviously, one of the Champions League. Had some big moments in that running and that journey to it. So I thought I had a small outside chance. But when it's confirmed that you're third, eh? It's slightly disappointed to finish third, yeah? That's fair enough. You're allowed to be disappointed. But then what happened in 2010? 2009. 2009. 2009. What's up, 10th? Top 10, yeah. Um. Why was that season pretty happy? Probably happy with top 10 in that year. I mean, I was really good consistently in terms of numbers and playing well. We can week out for Liverpool. We scored over 20 goals that season. But I think the ball and door when people are selecting or choosing, they go on achievements, individual numbers, how you played consistently. And as a team, we didn't really achieve enough. Right. It wasn't a well cup year. So that was sort of out of it, if you like. We've never achieved enough with Liverpool. I think you've got to be winning leagues or winning Champions leagues or getting to the latter stages of a well cup or contributing massively in a well cup. And hopefully, that's the reason why Harry wins it tonight. I hope so. I think it's the time, surely. Yeah. We just sort of saying that, like, there's no reason for them not to win it. I think he's ticked every box. If you think about consistently, we can week out all-round game. Goal scoring numbers are off the charts insane. The way he carries himself on and off the pitch, he got to the latter stages with England and contribution massively in the well cup. And I just think when you compare that to your mile or in Bappé, apparently it did suit Harry in the run-on with him. I think he's done more in all of the departments. So fingers crossed, I think he deserves it. I'm hoping, I'm wishing, I'm praying that he gets it. Yeah, I think we are laugh. I think it'd be brilliant for him, brilliant for English football. And just where he's at it is clear. I think it would be like, you know, he got a lot of criticism that he didn't win enough for being loyal to Tottenham. Well, he was 13, hadn't won a trophy. Now he's 33. I know, but there's also got to be said, something said for staying with your team. That would be great for you and brought you through. And Tottenham was his team and the supporters. I admire the fact that he showed him incredible loyalty. I think it's very rare in the modern game. And then I think he deserved his move to buy and he's knocked all the numbers off the charts. I just hope to God he does it. Yeah. Good luck, Harry. Good luck, H. You're watching Overlap Daily. But you buy Skybet and Sky Vegas. We're back with the biggest football stories. The talking points, dividing opinion and all the debates you won't want to miss. If you're enjoying the show, make sure you hit the like, subscribe and follow us wherever you're watching or listening. Right without, let's get into it, shall we? I think there's only one place to start really isn't that. And that is Manchester United against. Or are you going to say I'm a field? No, I'm not. There's a bigger story than I'm field, and that happens at Old Trafford. Manchester United losing 3-0 at home to Bournemouth. And I actually want to start with Bournemouth's performance first, before we get into all the United stuff. Because what a week for Bournemouth off the back of Bournemouth off the back of AC Milan winning at Old Trafford. It's sort of like his Bournemouth, everything that Manchester United wished they were at the minutes. I'm glad you said that because I would oppose here and sort of say that it's important that we don't forget Bournemouth's performance and the week they've had outstanding tactically. Every single player has been outstanding. They've got real top players, and real top quality. But can you imagine being a Bournemouth fan? With all due respect, you know, the size of the club where they've been, they've been, they've been, obviously, they've had good times and they've had the how we know that. They've done great to stay in and around the Premier League. They recruit really well, really nice football club. But if you decide to Bournemouth fans what 10 years ago, do you want to have a week where you beat AC Milan 3-0 and you beat Manchester United 3-0? You know, they just probably laughed. Yeah. Probably laughed. So they deserve to enjoy this. And I think the future is bright for Bournemouth. I wonder if there's going to be a stage where they say, above, maybe they can't do this, but where we're going to keep the players we've got, and we're going to continue to add to what we've got rather than let people cherry pick our best players because you look at some of the players, they've got Clive Ryan, Ryan Christie, and all these other few injuries, but he's back now. And it's having here, arguably one of the most exciting players in the Premier League at the moment. Is that they're not changing your business model, though? And all that's why I say, I wonder if they can get to a stage where they don't have to do that or they can sell less. So look at these teams like Brighton. I was really impressed with Brighton the weekend, even all the Liverpool beat them. You're born if you're Brighton's. I wonder if they can as a club get to a stage where they sell less. And they can start pushing for bigger things. You know, can they go for an FA Cup or a League? I mean, they can still go for that now, but I mean with a genuine chance and be in what is show, at competing at the, you know, to higher level echelons of the league. Yeah, well, there are no easy games in the Premier League, but in terms of Manchester United, we've seen what Bournemouth are. What are Manchester United? Nothing at the moment. Nothing to awful. Ownership looks awful from a far recruitment looks awful from a far. I mean, there's people well more educated than inside the United or around Manchester United. That no one awful lot more than me, but from where I'm sitting, it looks awful from top to bottom. When you think about the teams that you used to compete against when you played Manchester United, compared to what you see up there now. It's the hardest game in the league. They had the best players in the league. They had the best manager in the league. They probably had the best stadium at the time, in terms of like capacity. And everything was going for them. Manchester United was a team to catch. They had David Gilling charge, he knew what he was doing. They had a board that were recruiting unbelievable players from around the world. They had well class players in the team. Academy players were coming through. Class of '92, obviously prior, but even when I was playing, bringing players through from the academy, Wes Browns, these type of players. Everything was just going in the right direction. There was unity about the club. There was a direction. And that was tough. I was a little poor player to chase that and compete with that. I'm sitting here now thinking, I'd love to compete against this United team. I swear to God, because you're watching them. And you know, young owners don't know what they're doing. Sporting directors look lost. You know, the camera pans on them and they're just there. They're recruiting players that are not Manchester United level competitors of the team. ac mae'n gwneud hynny, mae'n gwneud hynny. 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Mae'n gwneud hynny hynny. and we weren't signing good players, and we weren't playing well enough on the pitch, it can change and it will change, but if you're only solving two or three of the problems, 'Beghi' yn yw'r 50, yw'r ddellwch, yw'r ddellwch, yw'r ddellwch ymwch, yw'r ddellwch ymwch ymwch ymwch ymwch ymwch ymwch ymwch ymwch ymwch ymwch ymwch ymwch ymwch ymwch Asked it United as he said, it's the day. Yeah, but listen, we live in a well where the manager will get eventually whether it's today, tomorrow, next week or after the four fixtures or whatever. I think it's inevitable in my opinion because I don't see these players changing and coming together. I'm not sure if a manager can replace a manager with what's going on in Manchester United, I'm fix-y long term. I think there needs to be a lot of changes in Manchester United, that's my opinion. This episode is sponsored by Arn Clothing, now here on Overlap Daily. We like quality. That's why you'll often see me, Joe, Gary, Cara and Mark in Arn Clothing. Arn's range is timeless, it offers great value and you can wear it throughout the day to any occasion. Why not check it out in one of Arn's amazing stores. They've recently opened another in London's Westfield Strapford, joining existing stores in Liverpool, Manchester and Kent. You can always have a look online as well, just visit ArnClode.com. Alright, we are absolutely delighted to be joined by Mark Goldbridge from the United Stand. Mark, good to see you. You've just filmed a sticky United with Wayne, that'll be out tomorrow, I cannot wait to see what an earth that conversation was. But after Como, you must have thought this just can't get any worse. And then Bournemouth happened. Yeah, I mean, I would have expected, I mean, listening to Michael Carrick on Friday in his press conference, he gave a speech about, you know, he mentioned Sir Alex Ferguson, Wayne Runeum Ryan Giggs, that's how Fari went and paid into the past. But I would have expected, well, maybe it was naive, I would have expected a response, I would have expected the players to literally turn up, to flick the lights which like they have done sometimes. But it was a business, all the first 20 minutes was tame, the crowd are then off. And then, I mean, I personally think it, I think looking back on it, Bournemouth could have scored six or seven, it was, they missed a lot of chances and we created nothing. So credit to Bournemouth, it was, it was embarrassing really. What can Carrick do, anything? No, I think it's passed that with Carrick. Look, I would like it to have worked, I didn't actually want Carrick to get the job, I felt it was too similar to Soul Shire, I think the club was listening to what Stevie said there about above the board, which is great, sorry, above the manager, which is the board, which is absolutely spot on. The decision to give Carrick the job and not know what happened with Soul Shire is incredibly incompetent from the board. But once he got the job, you, I wouldn't have expected it to go this bad this quick, but it's been bad all season, you mentioned Como, Spurs in the first half dominated as full and we needed a late equaliser, even hip switch, the only win we had, we were losing and Harry McGuire handled the ball to get us back in the game. So it's been terrible this season, you know, as much as it's not just Michael Carrick's fault, it's really bad, I've not known it this bad, it's really bad. Mark, just on that, I know you've obviously been listening to some of your stuff recently in the last few weeks and you're obviously desperate for that kind of change. Let's assume it is Eddie Howard, an Aiglesman or a Conte, are you happy then in terms of the individual that's going to all of a sudden take Manchester United to compete at the top end of the league or competing for the trophies that they should be competing for? Or do you agree in terms of what me and Becky have been speaking about, that there needs to be numerous changes throughout the club? Absolutely, and it's interesting driving up today, looking at what some journalists have written. I almost feel angry that I'm listening to all the stuff that we've been talking about on the United stand for probably two or three years. It's very obvious to anybody who actually analyzes Manchester United that the manager whilst being a problem isn't the problem. You've obviously got the playing staff, but there's two sets of people who are responsible here. There's the ownership and there's the board, because they set the tone of the football club. And if you look at the director of football, his job is not just to recruit, which he's done badly, it is to sell, which he hasn't done. It is to recruit a manager capable of making Manchester United good again. It's also to set the style of play, it's to set the pathway for the youth team. And on every single level, and also on top of that, you are scrutinised on how many managers you sack and replace. And this change from glazes to ineos has been an absolute chit-chot, I don't know whether I can say that. But it has. Yeah, you can say anything you want. Go for it. It has. The glazes have destroyed Manchester United football club. They've put it into debt. Old trappers are going to get knocked down. It's disgusting. But it's got worse under the under ineos. And if you bring the best manager in the world, Prime Sir Alex Ferguson, you bring Jürgen Kloppin, you bring Pep Guardiola in. They will fail. Michael Carrick needs to change, because there is a season to try and do something with. But it won't be to win it tightly. It won't be to maybe even get top four. I mean, United need a total reset at the very top, and we've wanted that for a long time. But as a bare minimum, you need to remove the people who made the decisions to set the squad up like it is and give Carrick the job in the first place. They must be responsible. You cannot allow Jason Wilcox and that board to appoint another manager. Mark, do you think they're aware that they are the problem? And would they admit that they are the problem? You know what? I've used the word incompetence, and I think incompetence is the word. But some of the feedback we've had speaking to other people is if you, and this goes to the players as well, if you criticize a player, you might get a message from an agent saying you're a bit harsh. If you criticize the board, you might get something coming down saying, "Oh, we don't like what you've said there." Well, I would say today, were we wrong? You know, is it wrong to criticize players? Is it wrong to criticize the board? I think they live in a bubble, they don't communicate with their fans. There has been protests, there's been mass anger at Manchester United for a very long time. And we had the game against Liverpool where it got cancelled, we had the super league reaction to that. Magnetite fans have been angry for a long time, and they're not listening to either. There's no communication from the football club. So no, Becky, I don't think they listen. I think they live in their own little tower, and they think they know what they're doing. And I think they see fans as an inconvenience, but I'm hoping that one good thing that could come from this is that the club is on its backside, and the media, the wider media and everyone is starting to wake up to it now. And hopefully, heads are going to roll in relation to the higher ups. In terms of lack of self awareness around Manchester United at the minute, I mean, I noticed over the weekend, they were tweeting, "It's almost like infuriating the fans, because they were tweeting saying, 'Have your stay on our future, what do you think about the new stadium?' Who actually thought that was a good idea to put that out at that moment, at that time? Surely, there is not that lack of self awareness." Yeah, I mean, they can shove the stadium up their ass, I never wanted it anyway. I mean, I was actually at Anfield a couple of years ago, I got asked to play there, and after much deliberation, I did think, you know, it is a nice football ground, and I went up there. And it's incredible what they've done with Anfield, because it's got heritage, but they've never, it will never get knocked down, they will just modernise it, look after it, and fair play to them for that. Old Trafford should be in that situation, and they're knocking it down for the simple reason that the glazes neglected it for 20 years. And then we're meant to celebrate some pictures from chat GBT that we're going to have a super-duper stadium that's already moved from where the pictures were, we don't know how we're going to fund it. I don't want a new stadium, I want an old Trafford to stay forever. I want Manchester United to have a team in there that I'm proud of. I know people who went out to Como last Wednesday in the pouring rain and watched that performance. And before they're even back in the UK, they've been phoned by the ticketing office asking if they want to buy tickets for future games. I mean, you couldn't be more out of touch, it's incredible. And that happens a lot, because it's just about money. Yeah. Do you have anything to add, Stevie? No, I can totally understand it, what are you saying? And similarities under Hicks and Gillette, similar frustrations and feelings. I mean, the positive thing from Manchester United, you're probably on the floor and I probably can't get it anyways, then it actually is. And there is people out there who can reset a club, who can improve a club, we've lived it with FSG. And yes, they've made a couple of mistakes along the way, but they've been really quick to go, no, and we understand that is a mistake, we're a bit naive, and they've completely understood, and they listen to the fans, they've improved the stadium, they've improved the team, they've attracted the best managers, recruitment being in the main, fantastic. And you see, you see as an ex-player, the treatment that you get from the club, you feel that you're still part of the family, the fans are here, at Liverpool at the moment, and there hasn't always been that way, we're just on this journey, this wave and everyone's together, and everyone's united, I know you are, we won't want to hear this, but tough, because we've had that tough times as well. But I think that's the only fix for you, United, is to, I don't think changing a manager, I think it'll give you some short-term pleasure, and I actually think it'll put Michael Kala-Kala into his misery, because he'll be finding it tough at the moment, I've lived it myself, but I think heads need to roll from top to bottom, in my opinion, because I don't think changing man-for-man is going to give you the long-term solution you might unite at fanscafe. It's interesting that you say we've hit right bottom, I hope you're right, because ultimately we, you know, people are starting to mention the R word, relegation, and there's a lot Money that needs to be spent. spent at Manchester United, it was shambolic looking at that midfield rebuild. I mean, I remember saying, when Jürgen Klopp bought in Gravenburg, Supposedly, McAllister and Endo, I've never seen a manager replace a midfield in one summer respect. It was brilliant what he did. Man United have tried to do it, and I saw it yesterday, and it's Tilliman's belabor in Santos, and it's crap. You know, and that's not their fault. That's like there was so many good players to go for in that midfield. I saw one at Spurs in Ternarly. Ollie Edd, obviously, Ellie Ansson was very expensive, but there was other options. It's so misguided, it's so badly run, and that team is not very good either. So even if a new manager comes in, that team's not very good, born with his better than Manchester United, and it could get worse. It could get worse. It does need a total reset, but if they continue down the pathway of stubbornness and lack of communication, it could get worse. But how many people want to come to Manchester United at the minute mark? Because we've heard that maybe there was conversations around Harry Kane and Declan Rice, for whatever reason, they didn't want to come or they didn't come. It didn't work out, but attracting those top players at the minute from the outside looking in looks difficult. It does, but you know, we did spend £150 million on those three midfielders. Honestly, we'd have been better off buying two really good quality ones. We are, I mean, look, we've sacked off our workforce, which is incredibly horrible and didn't get enough focus. Really, I don't think. We've also reduced our wage bill. We also refused to spend certain wage amounts. These things will lead you to where you are now. Like it's no surprise to any United fan that if you reduce the wage bill and you're not willing to pay over £70 million for a player, then you're going to struggle. I think we're the only traditional top six side that's not paid £100 million for a player. That's not something to be proud of. That's what, if you want to be successful, you have to buy players and you have to buy good players, they come at a premium. Yeah, but I would still say, and whether people want to listen to this or not, Manchester United, the badge has still got the pull. You know, if, you know, if Katak is sacked, top managers will still want that opportunity. They will still attract good players. And just because they didn't get Anderson or Declan Rice at the time, it doesn't mean that you can't go and find other top players. There's hundreds and thousands of top players in every position around the world. I mean, you're Bournemouth and you're Brighton's approving that. So, I don't think you need to over-worry about that, losing that, you know, the pull of Manchester United, I don't think that'll ever go away. But I agree with Mark, potentially it could get worse if big decisions are not made quickly. Can I just say I love that you two found some common grounds and agreed on something? I actually thought we were going to have a bit of a, a bashery to the early doors. I was ready. I've got a few things that we sleep for them, but it's been pretty nice and let them off. Well, I'm in a weak position at the moment, aren't I? Well, yeah, you're mean, Jamie, Katak is teaboy now. You just sheltered that, you didn't, you just don't know what you told. I can't believe you never rolled your sleeves up and went to, went to hold the toe with him. What happened there? Edited out, Stevie. Was it? Obviously you did. It wasn't live, so. It was all in the edit. Blame the lads then, yeah. Blame the lads. All right, Mike Keegan, Chief Football Correspondent for the Overlapper's Joiners in the studio. Welcome. Thank you very much. First time with Stevie and I in the studio. Great to see you. I could have been here. I'm going to say a shame in these circumstances that we're talking about. I'm interested in I did side a club in turmoil. You were at the game, the Bournemouth game yesterday. How bad was it? Oh, just from start to finish. I'm not a United fan, but I went to school in Manchester. I worked for the Manchester Evening News, and I was there for that period of dominance. I never ever thought I'd go to Old Trafford, and it would feel normal to expect United to get beat. Yesterday, I'm looking round, and I'm just expecting Bournemouth with absolutely no disrespect, Bournemouth to come to the place and turn them over. It was almost inevitable. It's just you look around the place, things that you wouldn't think you'd ever see. In the Munich Tunnel, for example, there's a plaque on the wall for the Erdes Aster to commemorate the people who died. It's behind glass, and there's a flame, which is meant to be like an eternal flame that will always burn for those people. It's gone out. It's just, I know that there are huge issues at Manchester United, but to me, that's almost indicative of a club that's broken, and then you're looking around the stadium, and this is before Bournemouth scored any of the goals. There are empty seats everywhere, Old Trafford, and again, it's just things that you never thought you'd see. That flame is really quite representative, as well, attention to detail. Things that matter to the club suddenly appear not to matter at the very top level. Yeah, and there might be an innocent explanation for it, but you see that, and you're just like, you know, what's going on? It is an astronomical fall from grace for Manchester United, as you said, like when you go, you did never expect it to go there, and it not be a fortress. Old Trafford has always been a fortress. It's always severe you said to go in there, it was tough. It was hard. It was the hardest, you know, before Bournemouth would come, and obviously the city power united with the hardest fixture, whole motorway, the best players, the best team, best manager. But the whole club back, he was a force, making the most money around the world, David Gill, solid, really good at his job, Fergie, arguably the best manager there's ever been. I'd obviously debate that with some of the ones we've had at Liverpool, but from top to bottom everyone aligned, the club on a journey on in the right direction, you don't recognise the Manchester United today, compared to the one that was before miles away. From the crowd point of view for Michael Carrick yesterday, there was a lot of love as soon as he went down the tunnel, that atmosphere, changed. Yeah. I thought if there was a positive from yesterday, it was the way that the crowd reacted, I think, to see Carrick go off, and he did a tour, almost like a lap of farewell, not a lap of honour, obviously. And as soon as he gets under the tunnel at strep at the end, everybody that was left started pelting the players. And I thought it was good to see. You know, they're probably, you know, the team that he piqued yesterday to me looked like he figured out first who he thought he could trust and then tried to grow a bar then into positions, but you know, the players are the ones who go on at the pitch and I think it probably was good for them to hear that noise from the crowd. But then throughout the game, it felt like, you mentioned it, this is it, this is as low as it go, it's a broken club, like I come from a tabloid background, and we all often used to get accused of, you'd stick the broken badge on the back panel, all throughout it again, you know, over-egging it, but it really is broken, so you've got the fan singing, you can stick your stadium, you know where, and it's like that will hurt because that's a big project of any of us, Celia and I, obviously you don't want to swear on this, but Celia and I did an FF home, like those were powerful statements yesterday, and the Glazers got it, Sir Jim Ratcliffe got it, Jason Wilcox got it, and it just felt like it, a really seismic afternoon. It feels like this is inevitably going in one direction for Michael Carrick, Stevie's already mentioned, it's very difficult once the players turn to pull that back. Why has it not happened already? Why has Carrick not been relieved of his duties yet? I think because he took over at a really difficult time, and he steered them to a really positive mid-to-end of the season, and they were more consistent, they were playing a better brand of football, they were tactically a much difficult team to play against, and I think that's the reason why United Fan showed the clash yesterday, it was like they understand that Michael's not the only problem here, changing Michael Carrick like for like, or bringing a different manager in who's maybe more experienced or more skills, not going to fix all Manchester United problems. I hope that's a breaking news, that would be a good time, that would be a good time. Don't forget that they did it on your way home for a while, but I think there was an understanding that Michael's given a lot as a player, and he took over difficult times and done a fantastic job, they haven't started the season well enough, the fans are Michael are not stupid, they know it's only a matter of time, and how difficult it'll be for them to turn it round now, but I'm glad for Michael's point of view that the fans stuck with him and sure to understand that there's a bigger problem from top to bottom at Manchester United. We've spoken a lot about Michael Carrick and the players, but I'm fascinated to know from a board level and above what are they thinking as far as you're aware? I think they were taking a back a little bit by the fan reaction yesterday, I think it's interesting that Michael wasn't really as if he's duties last night, but they'll also be thinking, this is on us as much as it's on anybody else, they've made the appointments, they gave ten hug, got his extension, which was the first era, then they bring in Ruben Amarim, second era, no Michael fails, it's like, when does it start to get turned on us? Do you think they could possibly, in the next hours or days, decide to walk themselves? I don't indeed walk because you know what it's like, and football people want to pay off. is the possibility that someone above will coax it. as level could make more decisions than just Michael. - Yeah, I think Jim Ratcliffe is heavily involved in everything major that happens at that football club, and if he is getting to the point where he's like, I've put these people in charge, and they're making the same mistakes, it's not working, he's ruthless, like he's been in business for a long time, incredibly successful, he will make, we saw it with Dan Ashworth, he was there for however long he was, and as soon as it started to not look right, he made his move. - Interesting. - I made an interesting point earlier because you were asking, it's as when we were just chatting about, who is the man on the ground for the glazes? Who is the man that is reporting to them? Who is telling them exactly what is happening and what the problem is? - For the glazes? - Hmm. - I think they've basically sold short of 30% of the club to Jim Ratcliffe and said, there you go, crack on. When he-- - So they're not listening, they're not interested in listening to the issues, the problems, just I think they're just like the football, they go, Jim. - I mean, they've had 20 years now. - So if you're not, you're fun. - Jim's man. - I think Jim's man, oh my, oh my brother. - Okay. - Be interested to see where he decides to do or whether these sort of, you use wheelcocks as like it's you or Michael, and then there's a bit of a fresh start, and be interested. - He was caught yesterday by the TV camera shaking his head. - The problem you know you've got is that these people aren't going anywhere, so they need to figure it out themselves. What I would say is a positive in United fans, probably won't like hearing this, but Jim Rackliff isn't there for this not to be a success. So, you know, he is the age that he is. This is a legacy play from him. He wants to go in there. He is a United fan. He wants to restore that football club to where it should be. I can't seem giving up. So they are the figure it out themselves, or this carries on for a very long time. - Mike, thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate it. - Cheers. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - All right, you've been desperate to talk about Liverpool. Let's get on to them. Tuna wins over Bryson. I think everyone was looking forward to this game. Are we starting to see the Andonai Iriola effect in motion? - Yeah, not just in this game. I think it's being built in for weeks. I think when he's first come in, really in balanced squad, he had some issues in the first few games of the season, struggling against counter attacks, they look very open. They had the problem at right back, but credit to the manager, he's fixed them few issues, and each week, each performance, you can see more identity, more philosophy of Iriola coming into the team, and Liverpool were very good yesterday, but a special mention to Bryson as well, because the game and the scoreline could have been different if they took their chances. But in terms of this Liverpool team, what we're seeing now compared to the majority of the games last season, it looks very different. It looks fast there. It looks more energetic, more intensity, deploying forward, a lot quicker, the more exciting. And, you know, in the last three or four games, the big players with the big fees are really contributing and stepping up, stepping forward, and that's what we needed to see from a Liverpool fan perspective. In terms of the growth and keeping it going for Liverpool and stepping up even more, is the fact Bryton did have chances against them, something they need to nullify a bit more? 100%. This Liverpool team are away in progress. They have to get that balanced right when the ball turns over, being organised behind the ball, not giving easy chances of them. I mean, some of the issues were their own fault if you like. Maybe overplaying a little bit at the back or turning the ball over a little bit too much. But you've got to give this manager time. I'm really interested to see how he does a like him. I like the way he comes across. I like what he's seen in terms of how he's changed the few issues that the teams had. You know, with more transfer windows, confidence in these big signings and being together and growing together, I think it's an exciting time for Liverpool at the moment. He said about Bradley Barcola getting going, ESAC doing well. What is click to? What is working? Why now? You mentioned all in names. This team needs ESAC fit and available and robust enough to repeat games because he's a Premier League goal scorer. The pass from Barcola where he bounced there off the ground, which I think is meant to get it over the defenders leg and the way he's opened his foot just guided. And it wasn't an easy finish, but it was a lovely goal. Barcola looked rapid. He looked rapid and he's now looking match fit with game minutes under his belt. He came after the preseason with no game time. He's had a fantastic 10 days, two weeks and he's, you know, the touch papers let now you can see the player that's signed. Veits has come back from international break under a real cloud of criticism, but he's stepped up. He's accepted there and he's his performances in the last three have been much better. I still think there's more to come. But you can see the talent. He was excellent in the first half yesterday. So then three together, you had Cody Gack-Bolt of that young Rio. It's a real exciting mix if you can keep them all fit and available and keep them all firing and contributing. Now the challenges can they defend well enough? 'Cause they have been conceding too many goals. My callisters come back into top form. Graven Bitch is back in the team. So we can get some buzz light back in there. It's a stronger midfield when they're all fit and available. I still think moving forward and area all I might disagree and some Liverpool fans might disagree. I still think Liverpool miss a real strong powerhouse in the middle of the team. Someone who holds the middle of the team and stops people playing through them and puts a lot of issues out. Like a Fabino, for example. Deep man, I'm happy with it. I'm type that they worry about the other side of the game when everyone's thinking attack attack or let's go and create and be obsessed with scoring. You have a clever one in the team like a Rodry. You goes no, no, no, no, no. If this goes wrong or the ball sends over, we need to fix a different problem. I think Liverpool lack that. My callister's good. But I don't think he's top at that. And yeah, defensively a racho is on loan. So I'm interested to see what decision they make there but he was unbelievable yesterday. Jacka, Jacka is going from strength to strength each week. So you can see the future beyond Van Dyche. But as a team and a unit, they're still given up too many chances and that's the next part of a realitating to the next level. I still think, I thought he was soft early on in the season. They've got tougher. They've improved. They've got more physical. They're talking about a little bit more. So there's been an improvement. But I still think the next level, they need to become horrible to play against even stronger, given less chances. That's the next step for Liverpool. I love the post-match interview that Florian first did after the game and a reporter put to him. Oh, there's a lot of noise around you as everyone always says to the player. And he was like, you know what? Maybe I'm just an interesting guy. And I thought, yes, bad play. He's obviously hearing, but he's just like, I'm just going to do my thing. I'm going to play football. And that's the type of mental. Yeah, and this is what I said a couple of weeks ago. That's the right attitude and mentality. I've just focused on your game, your next performance, whether you play well or it doesn't go welfare. Liverpool, the games come every three, four days. Just get ready for the next one. But to be fair to the kid, he hasn't, he's not feeling sorry for himself. He's still going out there. He's trying to create for the team. He's trying to score for the team. He's been an awful lot better in recent weeks. But yesterday he was outstanding. And the first half from the passes he played, some of the spaces, he's contributing. Obviously it goes down as an all-in-goal, but he's in the right place, taking shots on. My message to him is be a bit more selfish. Sometimes you don't have to play the last pass or look for that last pass. If you're in range, let it fly. He's capable of scoring goals himself. So I want to be a little bit more selfish in a nice way. I don't want him to stop other people getting easier chances than him. But reward yourself a little bit more. Sometimes when you're young, you're looking to play that extra pass and what I'd be a little bit more selfish and let the trigger go. Well, I hope you watch this over that daily. Thanks for your advice. You could then say that. Let's talk about a couple of other teams. Interestingly, Liverpool's next to game, Xavier Lanzo, he's returning midweek. Cannibal Cup, it's going on. Yeah, interesting. Chelsea were poor at the weekend and even though it was a mate of mine, I thought tactically, Xavier and his staff were slow and offered themselves at the weekend because I'm watching that game and I watched it closely and taught them where I was standing, played them off the pitch, they dominated the midfield area. Looked like they were going to score more goals than they did and I think if they had a real clinical striker, this Tottenham team would go to the next level very fast. Michelle is already there to make his bed and he's got a line at now. He's not prolific. He's not prolific and he's obviously upset the manager. He doesn't deserve to play. I don't feel sorry for the Charleston. But what I mean is, they've got a lot of good players in the front lines. Salanki, Mamush, tell. But if they had had a cane now and a well-class goalkeeper now, this Tottenham team would challenge in my opinion because they've got everything else really good. Tanali was excellent at the weekend, Fernandez, his best performance in the Tottenham shirt. Loved Madison before he went off. I hope to God he's not injured because he gives this team personality and character. He'll take the ball anywhere and I think he lifts other people around him. I hope to God it's only a little small issue. So this Tottenham team has set in a lot of areas but they haven't got that killing eye and they haven't got that well-class goalkeeper. Kingsley gave them a lot of problems. They're all over playing. I'm not sure he's top. He's a good goalkeeper but I'm not sure he's top. But you know what I mean? as good as you're one in your nine and I think there's an opportunity for Tottenham to really go well class level in the Middle East and this Tottenham team will fly. They were excellent at the weekend. Yeah, they've definitely found that belief and they're all playing for dessert and going back to Alonzo. It's like, is the an issue at Wellbeck? Why didn't Wellbeck start? Yes, because the Losh Ra Pedro late. Chelsea didn't adapt well enough. Is that fair to say? They went for a bit of a different shape. They were more of a 4-4-2 and the Subaru Rogers and Palmer. They were excellent players and they went for Cwander on the left and Nettle on the right, but they've changed that because Joe Pedro's jumped out late, but in my opinion, you've just beat Everton with a really strong showing. Why would you change the formation and adjusted that way? Just put Danny Wellbeck in. That's what you brought him in for. Danny Wellbeck will score goals if you create chances. Palmer put across in early goals. It was in the first 8-10 minutes. I've got it in me now. There's an unbelievable cross. Danny Wellbeck would have just tapped that in. There's no striker there. And then you think that I have time. Tottenham have just dominated you for 45 minutes. Come on, then. Jabi, what have you got for us? Is it Danny Wellbeck? No, Danny Wellbeck. Last 20 minutes. No, Danny Wellbeck. So Jabi's been great so far and tactically really good so far, but as a friend, I have to say, he was late and slow. If Danny Wellbeck was fit, or was he just there just to take a space upon the bench, we don't know if there was an issue. Where was Danny Wellbeck? That game could have looked different and probably would have been different. And obviously the red card didn't help. I think Cole Palmer has come out and apologized and rightly so. I'm glad he's acknowledged that because it was really naive and silly and Chelsea, where I'll call Palmer and not Chelsea in my opinion at the moment. Yeah, Jabi's first home defeat of this season. So that's Chelsea and Spurs, we've taken care of, Bryson, who played in Liverpool. Can I just say before we move on? Yeah. You can say everybody. We should be able to give managers man of the match, even other non-players. Dezebi, do I coach the team and I'm a master fan of Dezebi and I've watched Tottenham a lot lately and they've been brilliant and I've not the results. Did he deserve Altsdan? I like that rule change. I would support that. Why not? Or Pearson of the match. Pearson of the match. That's a good rule change. You'll see if that one ever flies. So Bryson obviously had chances against Liverpool. They've got City twice in a week in City lost to Aston Villa. Aston Villa are looking like a difficult team to play against. Yeah, I'll start with City because City went poor or didn't turn up. They actually played quite well at times. They improved a lot in the second half and they pushed and they had some chances. But the biggest compliment I can play Aston Villa is they beat a really good City side who played some good stuff, who were in a good place, who were winning games consistently. So the credit and that UNI-MRA in this team deserve. You know, if you didn't watch the game, don't think that Aston Villa have beat a Manchester City team that didn't turn up. That wasn't the case. This was just Villa being top and to a man excellent all over the pitch and I can talk about them all individually because they all played the part during the game scored two good goals. In my opinion, two goalkeeper mistakes, which we can elaborate on if you want. But UNI-MRA, what he's done since he lost the six players from the Europa League Cup Final at the team ripped in half for them to recruit in the way he has and put it together. Yes, slow start of the season. But where Villa are now? Villa are a really tough team to play against. They were aggressive, they were front foot, they were organised and they've got some really good players and exciting young players coming as well. So Villa, they're in a good place now. I want to come back to that and we'll talk about Nicholas Jackson in a minute, but Donna rummer. So I want to pick you up. Listen, he's a well-class goalkeeper and he's got the reputation in the game that he deserves. I'm not denying that he's been brilliant for City since he come in, but I want you to go back to the PSG game. It was his fault that that comeback wasn't on because that game should have remained three-one while City were pushing and they were peppered in PSG, he's botched with crosses and quality and having all kinds of chances. PSG go down the other end against the runner play. The guys facing the opposite stand and whips the ball, that wasn't, and hard save, and he tries to put it over the barn, it goes in and it's four-one then, so the comeback's dead. So I thought he was at fault there, so you expect the reaction from there going into Villa. He was two things that happened in the game at different times. The goal at Jackson's scored first, that he gets into the roof of the net, I think his goal is arms are too low or in too much of a neutral position to get there in the first place. I'll be interested to see what Joe Hart says, but in the second half, the same thing happens with a city player. Guadiolet was, same type of strike, Suzuki's arms are higher ready and he tips it onto the bar and it's a well-class save. I expect Donarama to do the same in the first goal, and the second goal, which is close to him, he's like a wet weta-brick, so it's close to him. He's sissy, the goals that they're conceding, they're just individual mistakes. Goal keeping mistakes? Obviously, Mark Gay is a really bad touch and he has a bit of a nightmare after noon, but he's being very consistent for cities. He's had this performance, which is so our character, or, you know, I'm a massive fan of him. He had a great second half of the season with city and he's played some good games this year, but he had a nightmare face, 45 minutes, and he got dragged off at half time, so obviously the mistake led to that opportunity, but you're expecting goalkeeper to bail you out there. You know, it's like, I think the first one, not many people might agree. Goalkeeper's probably won't agree, but I think he could have saved both, certainly the second one, it just goes under his body, but take not in a way, Manchester City played decent at times in the game, and they created some stuff, Harlan's out of the head there as well in the second half, which Matzins cleared off the line, but Villa would have beat a good cityside who played quite well, but Villa would have to stand and start to finish. And what I like about this Villa team is even enjoying the game, if they're not having the best of times, they stick together, they're organised, the distance is a good day, suffer for each other. They put the bodies on the line, I mean, lindalof, best have probably seen him, in a long time, Matty Cash, I think he got mad at the match, he was unbelievable. The goalkeeper's top saves the ball at his feet, palasin, the young kid Brazilian who's exciting and by comes on and helps create the second goal, but the star of the show on the headline, Matzins is Jackson. Do you think Nicholas Jackson has finally found his club? I think he's found his manager, and I think if you have that relationship, play it a manager where the love and the support is there and you know each other, I think you're off to a real big head start. I knew each other from Villa right out. They did, I'm glad you said that, because that was things myself, it wasn't it? No, I mean, clever, from, you know, you lose all your weapons, who I work with, it was top, it was a big blow for Villa losing him, because he was their main talisman at the time, but the manager has a panic there, he's known, Jackson could be available, because he wasn't getting many minutes at Bayern, so good recruitment, good work again from your I.M. Ray, and he's created this Villa 2 team, and this is a different team Villa now than what it was at the beginning of the season, because there was a lot of change and just getting used to the manager's tactics and what you're playing, but the fight at the moment. I think that's the thing, because the Favilla started last season when they started a similar way this season, no one panicked within the fan base. No, there's that trust there, I've been talking about Manchester United and that no alignment from top to bottom, I think I've Villa doesn't align there from owner to manager, the players trust. He's got good senior players, I work with a Matty Cash great boy, listens once a little bit, he but that's John, so they've kept a core of players that really care about Villa and I've got that connection with the supporters and the recruiter they gain very well, and they've lost so many good players, so Villa deserve all the credit. They certainly do, they're onto a good thing at the minute, I think that is ours, wrapped up, wrapped up for today. Here we go. I gave you your own round of applause. Get in paid for Kane and United. What a job this is. This has been a global and the overlap production. Thanks to our title sponsors Skybet and Sky Vegas, we'll see you next time. This has been a global and the overlap production.