Man Dismembered After Open Marriage Gets Messy

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that looked for me to be human our detectives made a promise to the family that the mercer county sheriff's office would do everything possible to get the answers on what happened that we wouldn't just close this case we wouldn't say it's too complicated because we felt that we owed ryan's family answer you asked if you were under arrest you you are going to be released into custody you're going to be booked into there the last time anybody in ryan's family heard from him was in september of 2015. it's almost like he vanished into thin air back in 2015 21 year old ryan zimmerman is living in columbus ohio after moving out of his parents house in kentucky months earlier hoping to spread his wings and start his own path and at first nobody is thinking of him as a human being he's just a human being and he's just a human being and he's just a human being and he's not a human being and he's not a human being and he's not a human being and he's not a human being and he's not a human being and he's not a human being and what he really wanted to do ryan's mother and brother report that one day he just left home but ryan's disappearance isn't one that makes national headlines and the first real sign that something's not quite that makes national headlines and the first real sign that something's not quite right real sign that something's not quite right real sign that something's not quite right it comes quietly in the mail it comes quietly in the mail it comes quietly in the mail the following month in october ryan's the following month in october ryan's the following month in october ryan's father receives a piece of mail saying father receives a piece of mail saying father receives a piece of mail saying that the car ryan had been driving had that the car ryan had been driving had that the car ryan had been driving had been found abandoned with the keys inside been found abandoned with the keys inside been found abandoned with the keys inside and that was taken to an impound lot and that was taken to an impound lot and that was taken to an impound lot ryan's father collects the car from ryan's father collects the car from ryan's father collects the car from columbus pd but months go by no word on columbus pd but months go by no word on columbus pd but months go by no word on ryan's whereabouts there's no indication ryan's whereabouts there's no indication ryan's whereabouts there's no indication if he left voluntarily or if he left voluntarily or if he left voluntarily or if foul play is involved if foul play is involved if foul play is involved when ryan moved he didn't tell his when ryan moved he didn't tell his when ryan moved he didn't tell his family where he was moving to his dad family where he was moving to his dad family where he was moving to his dad said he did keep in contact with the said he did keep in contact with the said he did keep in contact with the family and so after he goes missing and family and so after he goes missing and family and so after he goes missing and the police really aren't actively the police really aren't actively the police really aren't actively investigating the family takes it upon investigating the family takes it upon investigating the family takes it upon themselves to try to find their own themselves to try to find their own themselves to try to find their own answers but ultimately that was a dead answers but ultimately that was a dead answers but ultimately that was a dead end for them too so end for them too so end for them too so the family essentially stops trying to the family essentially stops trying to the family essentially stops trying to find out where ryan is figuring maybe find out where ryan is figuring maybe find out where ryan is figuring maybe he just doesn't want to be found he just doesn't want to be found he just doesn't want to be found a few months after ryan's disappearance a few months after ryan's disappearance a few months after ryan's disappearance there's a break there's a break there's a break but but but investigators won't be able to tie it to investigators won't be able to tie it to investigators won't be able to tie it to this case for another four years on january 3rd of 2016 on january 3rd of 2016 on january 3rd of 2016 at 2 43 in the afternoon at 2 43 in the afternoon at 2 43 in the afternoon a a a mercer county citizen was walking her dog mercer county citizen was walking her dog mercer county citizen was walking her dog um just off of 127 um just off of 127 um just off of 127 at west bank park at west bank park at west bank park and we received a call mercer county and we received a call mercer county and we received a call mercer county sheriff's office sheriff's office sheriff's office yes um i may be just totally off my yes um i may be just totally off my yes um i may be just totally off my rocker but i was just out walking my dog rocker but i was just out walking my dog rocker but i was just out walking my dog and i came across some bones that looked and i came across some bones that looked and i came across some bones that looked for me to be human for me to be human for me to be human three months after the car was found three months after the car was found three months after the car was found abandoned a woman is walking her dog abandoned a woman is walking her dog abandoned a woman is walking her dog and stumbles upon what she thinks could and stumbles upon what she thinks could and stumbles upon what she thinks could be human remains about two hours away be human remains about two hours away be human remains about two hours away from columbus and i'm probably just from columbus and i'm probably just from columbus and i'm probably just being paranoid maybe then not where did being paranoid maybe then not where did being paranoid maybe then not where did you find this that man um right on you find this that man um right on you find this that man um right on coldwater creek i was over blocking my coldwater creek i was over blocking my coldwater creek i was over blocking my dog right on 127. okay dog right on 127. okay i would probably just send somebody i would probably just send somebody i would probably just send somebody out there to take a look out there to take a look out there to take a look something to keep in mind about this something to keep in mind about this something to keep in mind about this area of ohio it's very rural area of ohio it's very rural area of ohio it's very rural grand lake st mary state park is in grand lake st mary state park is in grand lake st mary state park is in western ohio it's alongside this western ohio it's alongside this western ohio it's alongside this massive man-made lake and it's different massive man-made lake and it's different massive man-made lake and it's different it's different from other major cities it's different from other major cities it's different from other major cities in ohio it's quiet it's isolated it has in ohio it's quiet it's isolated it has in ohio it's quiet it's isolated it has a significantly lower crime rate than a significantly lower crime rate than a significantly lower crime rate than larger metro areas larger metro areas larger metro areas we contacted dr elizabeth murray she is we contacted dr elizabeth murray she is we contacted dr elizabeth murray she is a forensic anthropologist a forensic anthropologist a forensic anthropologist and um she examined the bones and she and um she examined the bones and she and um she examined the bones and she was able to confirm for us that they was able to confirm for us that they was able to confirm for us that they were human skeletal remains were human skeletal remains were human skeletal remains at that point we did a three-day search at that point we did a three-day search at that site so now that it's conclusive at that site so now that it's conclusive at that site so now that it's conclusive that these are indeed that these are indeed that these are indeed human remains investigators need to human remains investigators need to human remains investigators need to figure out how this person died and figure out how this person died and figure out how this person died and maybe more importantly maybe more importantly maybe more importantly who are they university of north texas who are they university of north texas who are they university of north texas was able to extract a was able to extract a was able to extract a full dna profile we firmly believe full dna profile we firmly believe full dna profile we firmly believe that our remains were the victim that our remains were the victim that our remains were the victim of a violent death of a violent death of a violent death and finally june 1st 2020 and finally june 1st 2020 and finally june 1st 2020 investigators officially identify the investigators officially identify the investigators officially identify the remains as ryan zimmerman remains as ryan zimmerman remains as ryan zimmerman it takes so many years for his parents it takes so many years for his parents it takes so many years for his parents for his family to be alerted for his family to be alerted for his family to be alerted it took all that time to be able to it took all that time to be able to it took all that time to be able to identify him and that's really where the identify him and that's really where the identify him and that's really where the investigation investigation investigation begins once they've identified ryan begins once they've identified ryan begins once they've identified ryan then the police start looking at all then the police start looking at all then the police start looking at all of the pieces to this puzzle the of the pieces to this puzzle the of the pieces to this puzzle the possible circumstances around his possible circumstances around his possible circumstances around his homicide and who might be involved homicide and who might be involved homicide and who might be involved detective bacher can i help you my name detective bacher can i help you my name detective bacher can i help you my name is warren zimmerman and uh detective is warren zimmerman and uh detective is warren zimmerman and uh detective came and seen me this morning and told came and seen me this morning and told came and seen me this morning and told me some uh sad news about my son me some uh sad news about my son me some uh sad news about my son yes sir i'm sorry to hear about that yes sir i'm sorry to hear about that yes sir i'm sorry to hear about that do we know when this when this happened do we know when this when this happened do we know when this when this happened we um got a call on january the 3rd we um got a call on january the 3rd we um got a call on january the 3rd of 2016. of 2016. of 2016. okay a female was walking um in okay a female was walking um in okay a female was walking um in in the area just south of the city of in the area just south of the city of in the area just south of the city of salina which is our county seat salina which is our county seat salina which is our county seat here in mercer county um is that far here in mercer county um is that far here in mercer county um is that far alone he was living in some part alone he was living in some part alone he was living in some part in apartments in columbus so we did a in apartments in columbus so we did a in apartments in columbus so we did a multiple day search of the area it's multiple day search of the area it's multiple day search of the area it's kind of tammy regularly hauls stuff to kind of tammy regularly hauls stuff to kind of tammy regularly hauls stuff to her kids at college that's why she her kids at college that's why she her kids at college that's why she shops at bj's wholesale club saving up shops at bj's wholesale club saving up shops at bj's wholesale club saving up to 25 off grocery store prices beef to 25 off grocery store 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placed there after a thorough search of the area it after a thorough search of the area it after a thorough search of the area it was determined that there were several was determined that there were several was determined that there were several parts of the body that were not parts of the body that were not parts of the body that were not accounted for such as the head accounted for such as the head accounted for such as the head the arms below the elbows and the legs the arms below the elbows and the legs the arms below the elbows and the legs below the knees below the knees below the knees it was obvious that there was foul play it was obvious that there was foul play it was obvious that there was foul play october when i received the 2015 i october when i received the 2015 i october when i received the 2015 i received a certified letter in the mail received a certified letter in the mail received a certified letter in the mail saying that my car has been saying that my car has been saying that my car has been impounded in columbus uh by the columbus impounded in columbus uh by the columbus impounded in columbus uh by the columbus police department police department police department well uh i went up there and um well uh i went up there and um well uh i went up there and um i got the car out of impound the only i got the car out of impound the only i got the car out of impound the only thing that was uh thing that was uh thing that was uh gone was the license plate was missing gone was the license plate was missing gone was the license plate was missing got rid of the car in fact they kept it got rid of the car in fact they kept it got rid of the car in fact they kept it intact intact intact but the problem is back in 2015 ryan's but the problem is back in 2015 ryan's but the problem is back in 2015 ryan's car was never processed car was never processed car was never processed the investigation that columbus pd did do, it didn't lead anywhere. - I started knocking on doors around there, and two of the neighbors remember there was a black tow truck. They dropped the car off there and left. There was a guy, a white couple, a guy and a female. And about a half hour later, the Columbus Police Department came. - Ryan was a bit of a loner. He had friends, but not many. Didn't have a great experience in childhood, but he enjoyed playing video games. He was not very popular at school, he was bullied. And he had a few friends, but not a lot. So Ryan wasn't somebody who really knew the ways of the world yet. - There's just some really sick people in this world. I just, I'm just, I'm just sick of them. But I just know now that no one can hurt him anymore, and he's got nothing. - I'm sorry. I'm sorry. - Now, days after this initial phone call with Ryan's parents, Vicki and Warren Zimmerman, investigators from Mercer County, Ohio, go to visit them in Kentucky to speak to them in person. 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But what they're looking to do is gather as much information as possible, especially about the relationships, the behaviors. All of that information will be really incredibly helpful. They don't wanna go in cold. So this is an information-gathering stage that will prove helpful later on. - Cory. - Can I help you? - Yep, we need to talk with you. - About? - Well, it's a case we're working. I think you're just a witness to it, but your name has been brought up. - Okay. - So will you come down to headquarters with us? - No. - Okay. Do you wanna talk here? - Is there a summons, paperwork? - No, no, no. - On August 25th, 2021, investigators go to talk to Cory. Now at this point, Cory is remarried to another woman, and they tell him that they think he may have been a witness to a homicide and they would like to talk to him. - You're not in any trouble. have an arrest warrant nothing like that corey okay we just want to talk with you because your name was brought up as a witness in a case of a homicide homicide a homicide i have not i don't recall witnessing any homicides okay well then it shouldn't take very long you want me to come with you right now preferably yes that way we can just get this done and wrapped up and taken care of we'll drive you there we can drive you back we'll make sure you get home all right give me a second immediately he just becomes a little combative he does not want to talk to investigators very standoffish not really willing to cooperate at all no corey can you talk to me through the door please we're not going to go anywhere corey we need to talk uh i'm not really comfortable with providing information without counsel you don't even 100 know what we're talking about yet that's exactly why it's about ryan i don't know who ryan is ryan lived with you for a while we're trying to figure out what's going on who maybe last saw him where he went that kind of stuff i don't have any information for you okay and i don't really know what to tell you about all of this some of the questions is like when did you last see him where did he go i mean that kind of stuff how long was he uh with you guys that kind of stuff no i i have no idea what scope what you're talking about okay so you don't know ryan i don't i say it all the time uncooperative is not a normal baseline behavior to be uncooperative out of the gate is instantly going to tell investigators something's not right here it doesn't mean that that's the potential suspect or offender the person doesn't want to be involved doesn't want involvement well they just involve themselves by being uncooperative and we already have uh sarah worked with me on that and i'm not going to tell you what to do about it i'm not going to tell you what to do about it i'm not going to tell you what to do about it i'm not going to tell you what to do about it i'm not going to tell you what to do about it i'm not going to tell you what to do about it i'm not going to tell you what to do about it i'm not going to tell you what to do about it i'm not going to tell you what to do about it i'm not going to tell you what to do about it i'm not going to tell you what to do about it sarah we're talking to her now too sarah we're talking to her now too sarah we're talking to her now too to who sarah to who sarah to who sarah believe your ex-wife okay believe your ex-wife okay believe your ex-wife okay so we're talking to her as well so we're talking to her as well so we're talking to her as well okay you want her to pretty much decide okay you want her to pretty much decide okay you want her to pretty much decide your fate here your fate here your fate here or do you want to decide right now you kind of look like the bad right now you kind of look like the bad right now you kind of look like the bad guy if you don't want to talk to us guy if you don't want to talk to us guy if you don't want to talk to us everybody else wants to talk to us everybody else wants to talk to us everybody else wants to talk to us meanwhile a state over investigators are meanwhile a state over investigators are meanwhile a state over investigators are now moving in on sarah and janet what now moving in on sarah and janet what now moving in on sarah and janet what they've determined to be sarah's they've determined to be sarah's they've determined to be sarah's mother's house in marion indiana mother's house in marion indiana mother's house in marion indiana flu police department flu police department flu police department looking for sarah that's me couldn't step looking for sarah that's me couldn't step looking for sarah that's me couldn't step out for me out for me out for me well i think you got a warrant it's out of ohio i think it's a theft it's out of ohio i think it's a theft it's out of ohio i think it's a theft warrant i believe warrant i believe warrant i believe okay all right so go ahead and turn okay all right so go ahead and turn okay all right so go ahead and turn around put your hands on your back for around put your hands on your back for around put your hands on your back for me me me zoom out in the house with you my zoom out in the house with you my zoom out in the house with you my mother and my wife mother and my wife mother and my wife sarah comes to the door she says she sarah comes to the door she says she sarah comes to the door she says she just woke up seems very confused about just woke up seems very confused about what's going on and they put handcuffs what's going on and they put handcuffs what's going on and they put handcuffs on her on her on her so what's going on well we gotta take so what's going on well we gotta take so what's going on well we gotta take her downtown her downtown her downtown you all right yeah i'm just really like you all right yeah i'm just really like you all right yeah i'm just really like heather have you been sick or heather have you been sick or heather have you been sick or no just shocked we we never no just shocked we we never no just shocked we we never never that kind of person never that kind of person never that kind of person her mom is there trying to baby her her mom is there trying to baby her her mom is there trying to baby her daughter law enforcement lets the mom daughter law enforcement lets the mom daughter law enforcement lets the mom know she's an adult know she's an adult know she's an adult we have a warrant for theft out of ohio we have a warrant for theft out of ohio we have a warrant for theft out of ohio we have to take her downtown we have to take her downtown we have to take her downtown meanwhile jen comes to the door and the meanwhile jen comes to the door and the meanwhile jen comes to the door and the police are interested in talking to police are interested in talking to police are interested in talking to jen as well however they don't have a jen as well however they don't have a jen as well however they don't have a warrant for jen's arrest warrant for jen's arrest warrant for jen's arrest i'm chris hanberg on what the hell we're working the missing persons we're working the missing persons we're working the missing persons investigation we have a search warrant for the we have a search warrant for the we have a search warrant for the residents too residents too residents too okay so we're not stepping outside okay so we're not stepping outside okay so we're not stepping outside ryan zimmerman ryan zimmerman ryan zimmerman brian zimmerman brian zimmerman brian zimmerman lived with you guys in columbus in 2015 lived with you guys in columbus in 2015 lived with you guys in columbus in 2015 with you and with you and with you and sarah and corey he's missing sarah and corey he's missing sarah and corey he's missing and you guys were like the last people and you guys were like the last people and you guys were like the last people to see was there another person there to see was there another person there to see was there another person there living with you at that point in time living with you at that point in time living with you at that point in time yeah that came in emma yep that's who yeah that came in emma yep that's who yeah that came in emma yep that's who we're talking about yeah that was his we're talking about yeah that was his we're talking about yeah that was his name before emma name before emma name before emma something to note here ryan's parents something to note here ryan's parents something to note here ryan's parents for somebody like ryan who seemed to be for somebody like ryan who seemed to be for somebody like ryan who seemed to be very much an introvert somebody who very much an introvert somebody who very much an introvert somebody who didn't really hang out in large crowds didn't really hang out in large crowds didn't really hang out in large crowds it was a little bizarre that he had just it was a little bizarre that he had just it was a little bizarre that he had just up and moved in with people states away up and moved in with people states away up and moved in with people states away that clearly he had never met in person that clearly he had never met in person that clearly he had never met in person what is the last time that you what is the last time that you what is the last time that you saw saw did he have a car or anything that he would have left with did he take the bus yeah yeah he had a car you were with him and you were with sarah at the time right and there was a relationship going on between emma and emma and cory emma and sarah too okay all right and how was that relationship i mean was it was it a healthy relationship is it and we understand emma was experimenting with different things and we're not judges by any stretch of imagination our whole sole focus is is to find out where you know emma had left and his last contact with anybody was when he was with cory responded to an ad that ryan had posted where he wanted to explore sexuality but it also seems to me that it's a little bit more of a question of how he's going to deal with it and i think it's a little bit more of a question of how he's going to deal with it seems to me like he wanted somebody who was already transitioning or had transitioned and wasn't just thinking about it at some point what happened what what made what made emma decide to leave the way i remember it uh we emma stayed in their room a lot cory i feel like he regretted it was it not what cory thought it was going to be what cory thought it was going to be what cory thought it was going to be yeah well what happened from there i yeah well what happened from there i yeah well what happened from there i mean those two mean those two mean those two just they weren't hitting it off i knew just they weren't hitting it off i knew just they weren't hitting it off i knew they wanted to be they wanted to be they wanted to be like but cory was under the impression but cory was under the impression but cory was under the impression that they were like more that they were like more that they were like more alone with their transition alone with their transition alone with their transition okay okay okay but i don't think that's the case but i don't think that's the case but i don't think that's the case you know the way dad described it was you know the way dad described it was you know the way dad described it was he was very much so prudish you know he was very much so prudish you know he was very much so prudish you know kind of kept to himself kind of kept to himself kind of kept to himself wasn't really in trouble you know wasn't wasn't really in trouble you know wasn't wasn't really in trouble you know wasn't out there out there out there really testing the limit and then he really testing the limit and then he really testing the limit and then he starts to question himself as to starts to question himself as to starts to question himself as to is this the way i see myself not just is this the way i see myself not just is this the way i see myself not just in terms of his sexual orientation which in terms of his sexual orientation which in terms of his sexual orientation which i think just in life is this where i see i think just in life is this where i see i think just in life is this where i see myself myself myself what does this have to do with theft what does this have to do with theft what does this have to do with theft graham's parents graham's parents graham's parents you know declared him missing and we're you know declared him missing and we're you know declared him missing and we're just we had some other evidence that just we had some other evidence that just we had some other evidence that kind of came up and we're trying to we kind of came up and we're trying to we kind of came up and we're trying to we know where he was last at know where he was last at know where he was last at was was at the apartment right was was at the apartment right was was at the apartment right and then the car was recovered stolen and then the car was recovered stolen and then the car was recovered stolen by columbus pd was there like a lot of by columbus pd was there like a lot of by columbus pd was there like a lot of arguing in the house before arguing in the house before arguing in the house before em left between sarah corey between sarah corey between sarah corey okay do you recall what that was about okay do you recall what that was about okay do you recall what that was about probably probably probably corey wanted corey wanted corey wanted like a third person in the relationship like a third person in the relationship like a third person in the relationship but i'm not attracted to him at all but i'm not attracted to him at all but i'm not attracted to him at all so that wasn't really so that wasn't really so that wasn't really so he looked for so he looked for so he looked for his own living his own living his own living partner partner partner so you have a convoluted situation of a so you have a convoluted situation of a so you have a convoluted situation of a marriage where both partners are having marriage where both partners are having marriage where both partners are having affairs on each other knowingly and with affairs on each other knowingly and with affairs on each other knowingly and with consent consent consent and ryan is in the middle and ryan is in the middle and ryan is in the middle of all of this and so were they trying of all of this and so were they trying of all of this and so were they trying to get m out of the house to get m out of the house to get m out of the house yeah yeah 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you remember when m left Do you know, did she tell anyone any of her plans of where she's going to go, what she's going to do? Don't know. Back then, it's not what everybody thought it was going to be with him. Yeah. And then the pressure was on for him to leave. And Em didn't want to leave. I don't remember that. So you have to start figuring out, did they have something to do with his disappearance and his murder? Or are we looking at somebody completely different? Did Corey have you guys get rid of his issue? Em is not what he expected. The selfies didn't show what Corey had wanted. Comes up, Em is completely shy, reclusive, nothing, what Corey expected. Corey and Sarah were fighting a lot over it. Let's just get rid of the problem. Sure. Can I get you to stand up for me, hon? Sure. All right, do you have anything on you that's going to stick me? I hope not. I'm sure this is the last thing you wanted to do today. We're looking into a situation back when you lived in Columbus. Okay. And about what time frame did you live in Columbus? Because did you? I went for college. Okay. So that would be 2010. Okay. And then I was there for a few years after I graduated. Detectives in this case use a tactic to protect themselves. They use a tactic to protect themselves. where they interview two potential suspects at the same time. So you have a better chance at getting the truth or getting someone to spill some information because they don't know what the other person is saying. She's very soft-spoken and seems calm at the same time she seems nervous, which is interesting to me. She doesn't start shaking. She doesn't start freaking out or raising her voice or getting combative. So at that point, I started to wonder, did she really think this was just for a theft? And as the interview progresses, you start to see Sarah get a lot more nervous. Like maybe this isn't just a theft because she knows in her mind the other elephant in the room, which is Ryan Zimmerman. Did you have a roommate? My husband at the time. Did you ever bring any roommates in? Anything like that? At my very last apartment, they were a friend of Corey's. I didn't have much to do with them. Okay. And who would the friend have been? I don't remember what their real name was, but we referred to them as Emma. Tell me what you know about Ryan. Or Emma. It's a little bit of a touchy subject. My husband at the time had sexual interests. Corey? had this ideology that a perfect relationship required three people and the whole reason that he got in contact with Ryan was to make him that third person but I obviously didn't agree with that. They had talked online extensively and he had invited them to come stay with us which I did not want to happen but long story short it did. So they drove under the agreement that they would pay part of the rent and within I think I gave them three months that they would find a job and find their own place which did not happen. So Corey ended up asking him to leave which he did because I guess he found a new boyfriend or something and had mentioned that he was he might move in with them or at least see how things went. That's as far as I know. A lot of times we see people start to get defensive or get very verbal or immediately start talking about the issue at hand without being solicited by law enforcement and that was something she didn't do. So she told the framework of the story that connected everybody together but there was much more to the story. Were you there whenever Emma did leave? Somewhat. I know that they had tried to plead with me to give them another chance but I said that I'd already given too many chances and that it was Corey's call ultimately. And I remember them packing. And either I went to the store or I was in a different room. I don't remember. I just I can't quite remember. Who was all home at the time? I was, um, Corey was not and then my girlfriend was over. I just know that one minute Corey and Emma was there. And then the next he had just left. Somebody pulled up and he got in the car and drove off. I thought that he might come back because he did leave his car. But he didn't come back and then we didn't hear from him again. What did Corey say about it? Something to the effect of good riddance, I think. You have four individuals, Corey and Sarah, by this point, separated. Corey and Jen didn't really get along. Ryan didn't get along with Corey, Jen or Sarah. They're living in close quarters. There's a lot of complex relationships. Tendons were running high in this apartment. You mentioned that he was pleading with you to give him another chance or what have you. Tell me more about that. He was crying and I know he said I was sorry, but that Corey ultimately makes the call and if he says that you need to go, I have to agree. And then I asked him if he had anywhere else to go, which is when he mentioned that there was someone else that he had met and was getting close to. Did that get a little heated? Didn't want to leave, obviously. No, not that heated. Our initial conversation, I was calm. He was upset. There was no shouting or anything like that. Didn't get physical? No, not at all. So tell me about the day, what you can recall about when Ryan left. Jen and I were in the kitchen having coffee or wine or something. We were sitting at the kitchen table. And Ryan came downstairs with his bag. We kind of awkwardly had chitchat. And then a car pulled up in front of the apartment and then he said goodbye and left without any fuss. Questioning comes back around to Ryan's car. And Sarah, who's charged with theft of the vehicle, had no reason to be driving the car, yet gives this lame story, which would explain away any possible forensic evidence left behind. What kind of car did he have or what color or anything like that? I know it was an older car, maybe a dark red, like a maroon. Okay. That's all I can remember. Had you ever ridden in it? Yes. Did he come back to get it? Yes. I know that it disappeared. I don't know what happened to it though, so I don't know if he came back to get it. Do you ever have any contact with Ryan after he left? Not at all. Back at the house, the conversation with Jen ramps up. That's because investigators have something up their sleeves, information they have been keeping to themselves this whole time. We're trying to find Emma. Okay. And we were somewhat successful in that. Wait, what? Somewhat? Mm-hmm. Whatever happened to Emma happened in the apartment where you guys stayed at. So it's up to you at this point to help yourself out and be honest with us and give us whatever you can give us, because we need to find Emma. Hank joined BJ's Wholesale Club the day he became a father of 30. I coach football. 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Home of the Save. fall never arrives all at once first the air then the light and slowly the things you love begin to find each other a jacket meets a dress a hoodie slips beneath a blazer an old cap finds a new scarf because you don't simply step into the season you create it layer by layer until it finally feels like fall find fall your way at ross now what happened to emma so we can give his family some peace we've recovered evidence from the apartment we recovered evidence from sarah's car blood wait whoa what yes and part of emma's body was dismembered here's the bottom line was it an accident was it something that went south and then it's like now what do we do okay we can't he's dead it was it was a sex game that went bad or you guys found him and something else happened and then you you did this so suspicion wouldn't come on you we need you to fill in the gaps what went south this is a behavior dream and this is why sarah's being arrested no way no way she had anything to do with any of that everybody's playing the whole yeah no just nobody wanted this guy around anymore it kind of got to be a burden having him in the house and uh yeah just there it was he just went up and disappeared one day well wait a minute you go from living together one minute to not living together next but nobody knows or even cared to ask where'd this guy go is he coming back so i think that automatically you know it's just a matter of time until he's back so i think that's what's important you know your experience as an investigator is going to tell you somebody's not telling us the whole truth as to what happened here and this is where cold hard evidence comes into play because the investigators they've already done their homework they found a fair amount of blood it seemed to indicate that there was a foul play that happened in that apartment and it seemed to support the idea that possibly ryan was murdered in the apartment and not only were they able to find physical evidence in the apartment at that point sarah had sold the car that she was driving but they were able to track that car down and sure enough there was blood and biological evidence found in that car years later when the police look through sarah's phone and her search history they find some alarming searches in particular she's got searches for jugular she's searching how to start a ford focus and that happens to be the car that ryan was driving and then she's got the information that she's got the peculiar art piece saved and it's of a dismembered body so i think there were some alarm bells going off for officers the google searches the the deep dives that we did the stuff that she was into at least painting with blood like into drinking the blood and then the searches that she did on her android phone i don't know i don't know about any of the blood stuff we knew that sarah was researching frantically at one o'clock in the morning how to start the ford focus interestingly ryan's car had this unique ignition system this aftermarket mechanism that required a specific technique to start it car was dumped off a couple blocks from where the apartment was by a wrecker because the car was not able to be driven the license plate were stolen off the car and we've got sarah on her android phone who couldn't move the car emma's car we're not asking you if you did it we're asking you what happened there because you were there when it happened how did he die i don't know we're telling you that we know that you do i know so you want to put this all on sarah your wife who's currently sitting in jail there's no way that sarah did this help us fill it in what happened to emma he left she left we know she left how did she leave presumably in the car no that's not nice not in her car and not alive you're 99.9 there i know you're holding out i don't know anything carl and i aren't buying it i think that's natural human response i think it's been eating you up there was no murder weighing on us and she didn't confide in you about any of this i mean this probably has to hurt her having her husband at that time wanting to bring someone else into this relationship repeatedly i wouldn't like anyone else coming in between my relationship it was hurting sarah okay so what made her snap she didn't snap was it self-defense did emma do something i don't know easier said than done to hold on to the emotion where you want to just jump across the table and say we have all this already right because you're only going to get one chance at the person telling you at this point they know what happened they just don't know who happened right so so what i mean about that we we don't want to then tell the wrong person we have all this and then squander our only opportunity as to identify and and elicit that confession from the person i told you i would obviously chat that corey and em were having before em came up here and in these he describes you and he talks about you oh boy right it's not flattering you know initially he was calling you psycho girl so he said he's nervous about bringing em up because he said you wouldn't be very accepting of em i would be very excited okay he said you would take matters into your own hands that you would hate em because he still had his penis and from what we have read the agreement between sarah because sarah communicated with emma as well before they came up right because she wasn't all for it so there were rules so there's no intimacy and then the other thing would have been that if emma goes you go so if emma leaves that means you would have had to leave i was still aware of that so when corey comes back from his rendezvous emma's not there anymore she left on her own you're safe to stay no i wasn't aware that she goes like to the investigator surprise it is revealed that corey was not home that weekend and that would later be corroborated by other parties as well ultimately law enforcement cleared corey sarah had dropped him off at a hotel in downtown columbus he had made arrangements to spend the weekend with a woman who came in from out of town so he was out of the equation as someone who was involved what happened between you and emma when sarah was at work the same something did you left yeah he left just not on his own accord sarah's talking right now i mean sarah's already owning up to some of this stuff okay she really she is the conversation with sarah back at the police department kicks into high gear it has been hours since these interviews began and law enforcement is not playing around sarah um i don't know if you know this or not probably not but you're talking to jennifer right now talking to your mom and also talking to corey in columbus and there's major inconsistencies about the inconsistencies about this with your involvement with ryan and you know ryan is now deceased he's not going to be here for the rest of his life he's now deceased he's been murdered i need to know like really what happened here i mean this is a bad situation we're able to track down your car the one that used to own the time of this incident something happened in that apartment the weekend that you dropped corey off with that girl in columbus you're gonna have to tell me your version of this if it and to see if it matches up with the evidence we have i'm not comfortable talking about this they already know so they're waiting to see more more and more as to now what are they going to tell us and compare that to what we know was it an accident yeah i don't know i don't know what was an accident with ryan i didn't even know that he was dead sarah come on we always know there's two sides to everything always so this is your opportunity to give your side okay i i've said what i know sarah loitrigan talked to that's your decision i don't know what to say the truth maybe later on tammy regularly hauls stuff to her kids at college that's why she shops at bj's wholesale club saving up to 25 off grocery store 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A jacket meets a dress, a hoodie slips beneath a blazer, an old cap finds a new scarf. Because you don't simply step into the season, you create it layer by layer until it finally feels like fall. In the interview, Sarah breaks down. Sarah, look at me. I think you want to tell us the truth. Look at me. Is that correct? Just tell me what happened. I'm scared. I understand you're scared. Go ahead and start from the beginning. It was an accident. It was an accident. Accidents happen every day. I was angry. He was coming out of the bus. And then I came up behind him. And I put him in a chokehold and knocked him down. He passed out. Okay. Took him and I didn't let go. Mm-hmm. And then it was too late. I can't stop dreaming. And then I didn't know what to do. Okay. I've never done anything like that. Where was Jen at the time? She was downstairs. What was she doing? Or did she hear the stuff? I heard a commotion. Okay. He came up and then we had to figure out what to do. Can we cut it up? So where did you cut him up at? The bathtub. The bathtub? What did you use? Some kind of salt. Who did the cutting? Mostly me. Then what happened? We had to figure out where to put everything. We started driving and trying to get rid of little things at a time. On the road or is there special spots? In public dumpsters, a couple gas stations. Had you at any point told Cory what happened? He doesn't know. Okay. And he had nothing to do with it? He didn't say, "Hey, I'm going to go to the hotel for this weekend." "Take care of Ryan." Nothing like that. Why were you so angry at him? What happened that you came up behind him and started joking? He ruined my life. He ruined my life. He ruined my life. He ruined my life. He ruined my life. She really laid out how they were able to dispose of Ryan in several places to where it made it harder to find Ryan. In their mind, they had probably committed the perfect murder and would never be caught. They had probably committed the perfect murder and would never be caught. Okay. Okay. Okay. kept just between Jen and Sarah over the years to law enforcement working together to find this physical evidence this definitely was a very egregious case but in the end it answered the question of what happened to Ryan Zimmerman and with that and the guilty plea you hope that it gave his family the ability to be able to move forward but it's a good reminder don't judge a book by its cover because you never know what's lurking underneath this case breaks my heart because at the end of the day Ryan was a very young man who was just trying to figure out where he fit in this world and where he fit as a person and there were people that took advantage of that who had way more experience in life than he did this episode is brought to you by TXU Energy for the first time ever Texans have an energy plan that combines free nights all year with daytime summer savings it's called free nights and cool summer you get free nights every night all year long plus a 25 bonus toward your daytime use all summer it's a first of its kind plan created for how Texans actually use energy discover how much more you could save with free nights and cool summer savings summer TXU Energy energy for everything visit TXU.com for more information rep number 10004