Mamdani, Nick Fuentes, and American Women | BONUS Lila Rose Show

Hi everybody, happy Wednesday, Wednesday here we are in November 5th. Can you believe it? We've got two years, two months left in the year. And we are going to talk today about Mamdami. He just won in New York and what happened in Virginia, everybody knows, but the conservatives or the Republicans, I should say it lost. What does it all mean? I actually have a lot of thoughts on this and it's been bubbling up in my mind lately regarding women and this trend of women voting left and identifying more as left. It's much more than politics. It has to do with culture and identity, so we're going to get into that in today's episode. Also I had some interesting conversations on X recently regarding the, I think, fallout after Charlie Kirk's horrific murder and people that are now trying to take on in a way his platform or take on now leadership on what is called the right and I have some thoughts on that too. But what does everybody think about Mamdami? That's what the wall to wall coverage is about. He's a self-proclaimed democratic socialist. He just won big in New York City. Now remember, Mamdami was running against two other hard leftists, Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo, who is a hardcore pro-abort, so it's not as if if Mamdami had lost to Cuomo that would have somehow been a win, but it is interesting that Mamdami won, especially how he won hard with women, especially young women. In fact, he got 81% of the female, the young female vote, which is wild. So I want to take a look at this. This is actually some video I want to watch first about Mamdami. I do think that his democratic socialism that he presents is so appealing to younger groups, especially women because he's basically saying that we're going to solve all the economic issues. And no one's going to be hungry, no one's going to be without childcare, everyone's going to be happy. Let's take a listen to how he was communicating. This is from a clip just a few weeks ago during his campaign. To afford the more than 12% increase in rent-stabilized apartments under this mayor Adam's administration and struggle to afford what has now grown more than $20,000 a year in child care costs. And so what we are releasing today is the cost-saved calculator where you can go to Zahran for NYC.com/calculator and see just how much each of these big three items will save you in your lives. Because when it comes to free buses, each rider will save over $2,000 a year. That's $1.3 billion a year for all riders. When it comes to universal childcare, we're speaking about $22,200 a year, which together is five and a half billion for every New Yorker across the city. And when it comes to a rent freeze, we are speaking about $1,750 saved every single year. And together that amounts to more than $1.7 billion in its first year. So we can pause it. So I want to point out a few things. First of all, how this is going to be paid for, of course, is not typically part of the conversation with mom Dommie. And he doesn't really have the power to raise state taxes. He's just a mayor. He's not the governor. He doesn't hold any other elected office for the entire state of New York. It's just New York City. So there's of course the question of what's that going to look like financially for the city. But look at mom Dommie. Look, he's a charismatic guy. He's very cheerful. He talks with a lot of inspiring language. He has this very positive sounding message. And he's hitting pain points. He's hitting free daycare. He's hitting free buses. He's hitting rent control for sort of the working class you could say of New York. Now it's interesting. The study here that said that people that are New York natives, only 50% or I think 40% only voted for mom Dommie. But when they came in the last five years, the last just year or two to New York City, those groups of people voted in much greater numbers for mom Dommie versus Cuomo. So that was an interesting note that people that are new to New York and maybe aren't as wise to how New York runs and what are the real costs of the government providing everything for free. Those people were less likely to vote for mom Dommie. But it's undeniable that mom Dommie had this very winsome message, especially with younger women. And we're going to unpack that today because I think it's really important. And I think that, you know, we talk about politics on the show, more than that, we talk about culture on the show and our personal responsibility. But I think that we do have a personal responsibility for people who care about culture and politics to see what's happening with younger women today and to make a difference in that space. And that's part of the mission of the show, by the way. So we're going to deep dive that. And before I get more into that, another note, as I said earlier, in Virginia, which used to be a red state, used to have a red governor, used to have a Republican governor in Virginia, young women also helped vote in the Democrat governor, as well as a Democrat, a G attorney general, Jay Jones. And this is a guy that was really racked with scandal. I mean, he actually had a series of text messages that were leaked, where he was threatening political violence against his political opponents as a joke in text message. And even people on the left and the right were decrying this. And Jay Jones still won definitively with young women. So what is going on here? Why are American women, especially younger women, wearing hard left? How do we solve this? What are the underlying motivations and reasons for this? That's what we're going to be exploring here. Before that, though, I want to talk really quick about something happening on X right now. If you're not on X a lot, I'm sorry if this is like, what are you even talking about, Lila? I totally missed this entire curcuffle, but I wanted to address it. So on X right now, there is, I tweeted something, let's pull up my tweet here as if we can. So this was just yesterday. And this was regarding a New York Times profile that came out, I believe yesterday, regarding a streamer podcaster who's been around now for, I think, almost a decade. Many years, but he's a younger, younger guy. And he has been ultimately ascending, you could say, in growing in audience, especially of younger men. So this is, again, part of that, the divide of the sex is men, women, women, varying more left, many men, varying more what they call alt, right? So this was my tweet. You can pull it up here. I said, the New York Times taking glamour shots of a self-proclaimed admirer of Adolf Hitler as a possible successor to Charlie Kirk, well, they were religiously avoided featuring Charlie Kirk during his life is peak leftist propaganda. It adds insult to injury that Charlie intentionally shunned the Hitler admirer. Now, if you're listening to those on podcast later, like, what are you even talking about? Let's pull up the New York Times article. So we know what I'm talking about. This was an opinion piece that came out now two days ago. I'm sorry. On Tuesday of this week, Nick Fuentes was Charlie Kirk's bitter enemy. Now he's becoming his successor. And you'll see if you scroll down here, Harris, oh, you're not able to see it. Let me screenshot this for you and send it. There is a kind of like a glamour shot of this person, Fuentes, in the New York Times article. Now, the reason that this really caught my eye is the fact that when Charlie was alive and I knew, because I would pay attention to this, there were very rarely anything close to positive pieces about Charlie Kirk in the New York Times. Occasionally, they would reference his work, but they very rarely would sort of note him as some rising influential figure that people were attracted to. They wanted Charlie to look side-lined and not attractive to people. And so when they would present him in their reporting, it was in always with a negative frame and never with a picture like this one. So you can pull this down now, Harris, but this is a what you could, what you would call a glamour shot from the New York Times of a, again, as they call him an alt-right. You can put whatever title you want on it, but a growing and popularity streamer and podcaster who is saying that he's on the right, he says that he's Catholic is my understanding. He says that he's even opposed to things like abortion and transiting the children is my understanding, but he also makes these jokes. And he also says he actually thinks we are too negative about the legacy of people like, yes, Adolf Hitler. And so I think that this is an example and I bring this up of, yes, media spin, which is something I'm always interested in because I've been the victim of media spin. Most people on the right have been the victim of media spin. But this is a particularly perverse version because they're basically propping up somebody who does make light of the Holocaust, who does do that because they're trying to stick it to the Jewish people. I mean, it's a whole part of his whole stick. And they're trying to prop that up as the new face of the right, essentially. When the reality is even Charlie Kirk, especially Charlie Kirk was so passionately against this worldview and so much against even this individual and his representation of worldview that he would didn't even want this person at his events. He wouldn't give him a platform. He said, you're not welcome here because being anti-Semitic, being racist, being misogynistic is wrong. It violates principles that are on the right. The deeper question, of course, is what are the principles that should govern the right? I mean, what are the principles that should govern Republican Party? As you all know, I got a lot of heat last year for opposing President Trump's at the time, some of the pro-borschen lean that he was going during his campaign, like coming out against amendment four in Florida, which would basically allow for abortions up until birth. And he said he wasn't sure he would come out against it, excuse me, and then later on he did, but that was only after he got criticized for it. So if we don't have principles on the right, if we give one inch of ground to things like the killing of babies, to things like racism, whether that's racism directed at the Jewish people or racism directed at any group, and I would say that includes, of course, people in Gaza, any form of racism is evil and wrong, or it's misogyny, or it's misandry. It's the hatred towards men or the hatred towards women. None of that can survive, should be able to survive on the right or what is the right anymore. If the right becomes that, I don't want anything to do with it, right? And most, I think people who are on X every day and steeped in the stuff would be like, "Yeah, I don't want to be part of that." So it's so important that we do have principles if you are conservative, that we have foundational principles that we don't compromise on them. Principles matter. And I think that is the way, too, to win back the youth vote is by having principles. Keep in mind, Zoran Mamdami said he had principles. That's what he said. Now, when it comes to life, he was raging pro-abort, although he always said it with nice language, so it didn't sound bad. That was part of the sleight of hand, right? "Oh, I support women's reproductive rights." Well, he supports abortion until birth. "Oh, I support the rights of LGBTQ+ people to exist and to love his love." Well, he actually supports dismantling the traditional family, which is what he ultimately ran on, but he couched it in nice language, right? So there's two things that the conservative movement has to do. We have to stand on principle and then we have to do it with joy and do it with whimsomeness and persuasiveness, you know, make persuasion our aim while standing on principle. So you can't compromise principle for the sake of persuasion and you also can't be persuasive and, you know, say all of these things, but then ultimately not care about your principles. You have to care about both the principles and the persuasion, or I should say you can't care about the principles and then not care about persuasion and you can't be persuasive and then reject the principles. So it has to be both. So I just wanted to share that because I am seeing this tension. It's on the left, too, by the way. The left is having their own identity crisis, but I'm seeing this tension on the right and it is so important to have both principles and persuasion. But what I really wanted to get into was this phenomenon of women voting left, especially younger women and why that is. And I actually had an experience recently that I thought was really illuminating for me to see this in real time. Before we do that, though, we're going to do a quick thank you to two of our amazing sponsors who make this show possible. So we'll give them a shout out now. As you may know, porn addiction is on the rise for both women and men today. 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He is a democratic socialist, very pro-abortion, very anti-marriage, and then in Virginia, we had some big losses as well to very pro-abort folks, one for AG and the governor and for governor, and that's also a huge disappointment. When you're looking at the exit polling, we see that women, especially younger women, are big shower uppers for these candidates, and actually, I'm going to pull up that data really quick. Harris, if you scroll back up, young women voted in Virginia for the Democrat candidates and pull up the ex-post here from election was men favored Mayores, who was up for the AG by 58% 18 points and women favored Jones by 12 points. So 12% more women, J-Jones, the Democrat, AG candidate, won women by 12 points. I think that's really significant, and everything, all of this is significant. Okay, so why? Why is it happening? Pull up this meme for us, actually, Harris, because I do think, just to close up what I was talking about ex earlier in my ex-post. This is not why I think this is happening, guys, in a whole story, but this is one element that I think is worth looking at. This is a meme that's going around women voting Republican. And then you see that they get shot by Republicans who embrace Frentice. Why would women vote against us? Cry, cry. That, by the way, is not what I think was motivating women going in and voting for J-Jones and Mom Dommie. They weren't thinking about that. They probably don't even know who Frentice is. But I do think it is unhelpful on the right, obviously, to bash women, to platform and embrace misogyny. It's very unhelpful. So if women don't want to vote for that in a long run, that's going to be why. I mean, that will be a big reason why. But there's a lot of other reasons why. So let's go into one of those other reasons are, okay, understanding is the first step to wisdom. In order to understand what's happening in the world, you have to look around and understand the data and look at people's experiences. It is a fact that there is a rise today in women who don't want to have children. There is a rise today in women who want to be dynx. There is a rise today in women who don't want to get married. It's very sad and disturbing, all of this happening. I was recently on a podcast. I did this debate for over two hours on the Ellen Fisher podcast, shout out to Ellen. She's a great friend. And I debated this young woman, well, I think she was in her 30s, younger woman, who is a self-professed dynch, dual-income, no-kids. She was advocating for other women to be dynx. She has a podcast where she promotes the dynch lifestyle. Here's a little clip from our, the promo clip from our debate. And this woman has an entire brand about why and how you should be a dynch. Now, she would even say in my inner, my debate with her, oh, I'm not telling women they have to be a dynch. It's all about women's choice. That was kind of the refrain. And it's very clear that by her choosing that and by her recommending that to other women, that is part of her, her whole persuasion that she's campaigned, she's undergoing, which is let's try to get more women to see the, the upside of being a dynch. So what are the numbers here? According to a Michigan state study, the percentage of U.S. non-parents who say they don't want any children rose from 14% in 2002 to 29% in 2023. That's so wild, that is so wild. The amount of people who said that say, Pete non-parents, so Americans who aren't parents yet, who say they don't want any children went from 14% to 20% it doubled from 2022 to 2023. Among that cohort adults, U.S. adults younger than 50 who don't want to have children and they sure that they are unlikely ever to have children increased from 2018. So it's been speeding up in just the last 5, 6, 7 years from 37% in 2018 to 47% in 2023. So this is for both men and women, but I'm going to get to specifically the women in a minute. The amount of young people who want to have kids is declining sharply. As you may all know, the birth rate has basically gone off, gone off of a cliff. So the amount of women now who are having children today versus really any other time is at its lowest. The birth rate I think is 1.8 is below replacement rate. I think it might be 1.7 now. It is below replacement rate. So replacement rate for a population is 2.1. You need 2.1 children per couple, which were two people to at least replace the population. And we are below that. The only reason that we are not experiencing severe economic collapse in the United States because of the decline in population is because of immigration, which is wild. And it's not because of any other reason. We are only able to replace ourselves as a population right now because of immigration. That's the only reason. We are not wanting to have kids. We are not having kids. That is largely the state of the culture today. Now, there's a lot of good trends of people finding faith again. People wanted to get married again. So there's positive trends that are happening amid all of this chaos. But the reality is we are at a low point in birth rate, unlike we've ever seen before in our history. So why are people, what are the fears driving this? Why is this happening? And I'm going to just give some theories here. I'm not going to pretend to have all of the answers and present them perfectly. But I do have some theories about why this is happening. Why we're seeing this then show up in politics as these votes for these far left figures who promise the moon and back and who are super pro sexual libertinism, super pro abortion, and then why and how we can, how we can solve for this. So I think one foundational issue is the sexual revolution. We talk about this a lot on the show, as you guys know. But the whole idea that your life is about you and sexual pleasure at your fingertips whenever you want, as long as there's consent between adults, you're good. I think that is a huge foundational piece of why people think they wouldn't want to have kids get married, et cetera. Because for them, life is about pleasure. Life is about what I want. It's about my autonomy. It's about my own ideas. It's not about any sort of ordering to relationships. And that's really toxic as a worldview. It's very damaging as a worldview. And it came up in my debate with this young woman who was the the dink side of the debate because she would say in the conversation that she wanted her lifestyle, that she wanted the lifestyle that she had. She wanted to be able to, she didn't want to be up at night with a baby. She wanted to be able to go on vacations. She wanted to be able to have more money, have a better lifestyle, and kids would be a drain on that. And so in her mind, okay, well, then I'm not going to have kids. That was kind of the entire, not the entire, but that was part of the calculation for her. So sexual revolution is really what broke the American mind 50 years ago on this question of what is my life's purpose instead of my life's purpose is about love and about relationship and maybe getting married one day and having children. My life's purpose is now about like what I want sexually and I get to be free and sex is no longer tied to procreation or intimacy in life long love. And so now it's a free for all. And we're seeing the fruit of that. We're seeing the free for all happening right now. And so there's that piece of it, but then there's another piece of it too. And not I would say is the economic peace. And I think this is where conservatives would do well to emphasize what the right can offer the American family and individual to make it easier for them to live and to have a family and to have children. Because I think there's a lot of fear today around motherhood because of a concern for it being able to be affordable for them to be able to be in healthy relationships that can last to be able to raise those children and be able to handle the pressures of being a mom or a dad. And I speak for dads too because I think they have their own set of concerns, but statistically women have them more. And women of course are the ones that carry a life and usually do most of the caretaking for the younger children. That's biologically how we're wired. It's a beautiful thing, but it's also being seen as a burden now. And so underlying I think the reason mom, Dami won, free day care, free buses, rent control, free everything and underlying this trend towards not wanting to have kids, towards being dynx, towards rejecting marriage and motherhood is the fear, the fear that I can't handle it, that I don't have what it takes. And so either someone else has to come in and be my night in shining armor like mom, Dami effectively. And even then I have autonomy so I can choose not to have a baby, it's up to me, whatever I, you know, women's rights, women's rights, right? And I can, I will be just as happy being completely unburdened by family and marriage and children. But that is ultimately, I think, a huge reason why women are choosing to vote left and to also reject motherhood is fear, economic fear, they've been, we've been trained to be selfish by the sexual revolution and by being miseducated by our academics, the family formation today is bad, broken families, all of that. So we've been trained to view ourselves as really it's like life is about us and what I want. And we're not going to find meaning in relationships, it's really my own self determination. And then there is the economic fears and there's the economic crisis. Now I do think, I sometimes, when I think about the fact and there's some great social data about this, you know, world hunger is at an all-time low globally. The amount of, you know, what, what it means to be poor today in America is actually other nation's wealth, right? So even the poor in America compared to a lot of other nations are wealthier than many nations throughout the world. So I think another factor here connected to economics and sort of idea of wealth and our idea of, do we have enough? Do we have what it takes to have a family, et cetera? Is also expectations around lifestyle and think about that for a minute. Social media, marketing, media in general has given all of these expectations to both women and men about what it means to even be successful or be able to have a family or be able to be a mother or a father. We see constantly consumerism and materialism presented as the end game, as a success story. And so you connect economic challenges, difficulty to even buy a home in today's economy for most people, student loan debt, inflation, you connect that, the dual income trap as Elizabeth Warren called it over 20 years ago, where now you need to have two incomes to be able to support a household often in this country. That's at least the experience of many people. And you connect all of that to also people having this vision of, well, if I'm going to have kids in a family, I need a five bedroom house or whatever it is, I need to have the latest, you know, whatever thing is being marketed to me on Instagram, I need to have all of that. It feels like an impossible situation for a lot of people. Feels impossible, especially when they have the student loan debt piece of it for those that have that. And so people are legitimately wrestling with, what am I going to do? How can I do this? And do I even, why would I even want to do this to begin with? Why, what is in it for me? I think a lot of people are saying, so what can we do about this? What's the solution? I do have some solutions. There is hope, I think. I have some solutions. So I do think that the conservative movement can absolutely crush this. I think we can. I think if we present a positive, joyful view of supporting the American family, supporting the job of mothers and fathers in this economy, and communicate effectively how a smaller government give back the taxes, don't tax more, how a more empowered family, American family and small community can actually have thriving families, presenting that vision, I think, is part of the winning strategy. And what that looks like is talking about how we can make costs lower for American families. I think births should be free. I think that we should be giving more tax credits and cash credits to families that have children. It should be actually honored in our government. If you're going to have a children, you should not just be one little tax write-off or deduction on your taxes, but you should actually be given a cash credit for children having multiple children instead of making daycare free. Why don't we give money back to mothers so that they can raise their own children in their homes instead of having to go pay a job, so then go drop the child off a daycare. Why not instead just giving the mother money directly so that she doesn't even have to enter into that part of the workforce and that can support the American family? There's a lot of creative things that conservatives can do in our governmental policies to make America a healthier and happier place to raise a family. I do think Maha is part of that, make America healthy again, better policies there, food and drug administration. I think is already doing some work in that space, but by the way, we should absolutely have already banned the abortion drug. If you want to make American families healthier, selling abortion drugs that kill babies is obviously not a way to do that. I digress that's another point. But I think conservatives should be emphasizing pro-family policy. Mom, Dami basically won because of his representation of what is effectively, I think many people experienced it as pro-family policy. I mean that might sound crazy to people, but I think that's a big reason why he won. Everything was going to be better for you individually and for your families because of me, Mom, Dami, and women, especially younger women, bought that hookline and sinker. They just ate that up. They're like, "This sounds great." And yes, there's some bad motivations in there. I think selfishness is a problem today and sexual libertinism is a problem today, but there's also that universal human desire to be able to flourish. That's how we're designed and to be able to make a way in this world and be able to be able to have a house over our heads and food on the table and if we have children to have it for them. Conservatives can win that game because it is better economic policy to have a freer market than a less free market, just speaking very generally here, of course. And it is a generally better policy to tax less and empower people more to be able to build their own families, businesses, everything else. That's what we should be celebrating and championing as conservatives. I think another thing we can do is encourage businesses to be more pro-family and flexible work hours, including for moms and dads, by the way, dads have responsibilities in the home too. It's not like they just work and they don't have anything to do with child rearing. A dad is essential and irreplaceable in the home. So I think more friendly policies for families, especially for young mothers, but for moms and dads, by employers, is important too. The end game of a for-profit, yes, is for-profit, but in order to make a profit and the purpose of that profit is people. So actually the end-end game of a for-profit business is people, is serving people. And profit is a mechanism of serving the people who work there and own the business, as well as serving the people you're giving them a service or a good in return for money. So your job is then to serve people. People over-profit in that sense. Profits still matters. We're not against profit. Of course, profit still matters, but people matter the most. And the profit is there to serve the people. So with this mindset, and I think you make for a better, healthier, happier work forth, when you're more pro-family in the workforce. When you have better maternity and paternity leaves. When you have more flexible work hours, when there is work from home, I think those things are all good. By the way, Hungary is a very pro-family country. They have a lot of pretty intense pro-family policies that have been successful in helping people say yes to more children and get married. They actually give cash credits for children. I think after your third or your fourth after your fourth child, you don't have to pay the in-income tax anymore in Hungary. You're completely tax-free income tax-free in Hungary. I don't know if I read this right. I think they might give a free minivan, can you look that up, Paris? Do they give free minivans to families? That would be an interesting policy. If you have your fifth child, you get a free. By the fifth child, actually, the minivan is kind of shrinking. You need the sprinter van. Those are pricey, but that would be an interesting family policy. If you're married, to encourage marriage, if you're married and you have your fifth child, you get a 50% off on a sprinter van, Hungary, it's not free. But there's a policy idea, subsidize instead of subsidizing, I don't know, big pharma, we could subsidize 50% off sprinter vans for big families. There's an idea. But all of these things, I think, can be done by both public policy, by employers, to foster motherhood, fatherhood, family, to celebrate, to uphold those things. That's the only way out of this mess, in my view. Another thing that I need to share is some facts. The reality is moms are happier according to social data. This is a really interesting study. This is the Institute for Family Studies. Married mothers are nearly twice as likely to report being very happy compared to single childless women. So here's this data. Married mothers are nearly twice as likely to be very happy compared to single childless women. Women should know this data. And from March 2025, survey of 3,000 U.S. age women, 25 to 55. Why would this be the case? Well, as a married mother myself, and I'm incredibly privileged and blessed to be a married mother, there is nothing more anchoring for your life than having a husband and children that you're there to love and serve. It is an incredible blessing and gift. It is part of God's design. It's not the path for every woman, of course, but it is the path for most women. And these women, according to survey data, are reporting being very happy twice as much as the women who are not married or with and without children. So I think women deserve to know this because today in the media climate, motherhood is just presented as this drags, as the drag. It's presented as this burden. Babies are presented as ultimately complete, dependent, depleting, just a bag on your back. Somebody that you would not, you would not want to have a baby. I mean, that's, of course, one of the reasons we have the abortion rate that we have 3,000 abortions a day. Babies are presented as this incredible net negative. That is how they're presented. And the reality is children are a blessing. They are never a burden. They are a blessing, but we should support families who have that responsibility of raising children. That should be the whole. That by the way, what's the point of our government, what's the point of our businesses, what's the point of any of it, if not to support families? Families are the future. Families where is that? Everything should be supporting the family. So I do think spreading the social data that moms are happier. And now this, people could say, well, that's correlation, Lila, that's not causation. Maybe those women were naturally happier and they just happen to get married, whatever. But the reality is I think our design as human beings, our design as women, is that we are designed to be in relationship with other people. And the most natural design for a woman biologically, spiritually is ultimately to mother. We are designed to mother. And whether we are not able to mother or we don't choose motherhood biologically because God has a different call in this life for us. Some women will not get married. They might choose a celibate vocation on talking spiritually now. They are still called to motherhood. They are still called to nurture and love. But the majority of women are called, I believe, to get married and to be open to life and have children. And that's a beautiful thing. Celebrate that. Make that talk about that more. Not to say it's perfect and there's no problems and there's no challenges. Of course, it's responsibility. It's duty. There is a huge opportunity to give of yourself when you get married and have kids. It's not some easy walk in the park. You grow as a human being, but you experience more joy, more purpose, more meaning, than I think you would get to experience otherwise if you shark that call and you reject that call. It's a gift. I remember before I got married, I had a roommate that I was living with in the near Palo Alto in Silicon Valley in the Bay Area. Amazing woman. And she lets me share this story publicly because it's pretty personal to her. But she's an amazing person, beautiful Christian woman. Well, she wasn't always following faith. And in her 20s and 30s, she was really hard-charging careerist. So she really was focused on her career. She was working in New York City, actually. This was now decades ago before Mom Dommie had taken power, but she was a real successful, I think, investment banker. And she said that she prioritized her career more than dating, certainly more than maybe getting married. There was her focus, and she was very good at her job. And then when she hit late 30s, early 40s, her biological clock caught up with her, and she was like, oh my gosh, wait a minute, I might not be able to have kids. I want to have kids. What do I do? And she was scrambling by this time, around this time she started to have find her faith again. Anyway, she couldn't find a man, a husband. It was difficult. It's very difficult for men to find women and women to find men today, by the way. It's very tough. She was not able to find a man. She was not able to become a mother. She hit 50 when I was living with her. I think she was in her early 50s, past manopausal, that window had passed, and it was very painful for her. And she shared that with me, and she's like, you tell other women, tell other women to be open to love. Now being open to love doesn't mean that God guarantees you a husband. It doesn't mean that for sure you're going to get married. And even if you get married, there's not a guarantee you're going to have children. Children are not like, you know, you press a button and the baby pops out. Children are always a gift, and they're not promised us, okay? But being open to love, I think, is what we are all called to. And maybe we'll find in our spiritual journeys, being open to love means that God says, no, marriage is not for you. But again, for most of us, it will be that marriage is for you and to be open to getting married. And I think if we had this posture, and women were encouraged to have this posture, Mom Dahmi wouldn't have won a New York City to talk about, you know, way down the line to political consequence. You would not see the rise in dinks and the rejection of motherhood. I think there would be a different vision and a different life that most women would have and live because they would be in touch with how they were wired and what God's design was. And so my final thought here is the spiritual reality of all of this. And I think the spiritual reality of all of this is that we are not created randomly. We are created with purpose and we are created with design. And God created the male and female and then he said, be fruitful and go multiply. And again, that's the call for most of us. And we're going to find the greatest joy in meaning by being faithful to that call. And then the ultimate call of a Christian is to spread the gospel, which is that Jesus Christ came to give us life and full and save us from our sins and to be proud and joyful in spreading that reality. But the daily life that we are called to for many of us is going to be marriage and kids. And so if we can on the right celebrate that more, present public policy to support that better, I think we're going to see a lot more wins certainly politically, but most importantly, we're going to see the cultural shift that needs to happen. All right. Before we wrap up, I got to show you this. This was something really cute that I saw on Instagram on the dink topic. It was a little bit of a hopeful note here, guys. So the dual income, no kids trend online, as I said, is the thing. People are celebrating no more kids, no more kids. We're just going to be so happy and have our lifestyle. Well, there's also a trend against that trend. Let's take a look at this. This is a couple pretty hilarious Instagram influencers that I like following. This is one of their clips where they're turning in their dink card. Welcome to dual income, no kids. How can I, oh, YouTube again, remember what we discussed last time. Just a quick review, no more access to the following. He's in quiet, disposable income, eight hours of sleep, privacy. Understood. Congratulations, you too. Congratulations, Alexander and John are their names. They just had a baby. Their first baby actually had passed away after a stillbirth. It was very devastating and then they had another part of their whole content now, celebrating motherhood and fatherhood, which I love. There's more of that, guys. There is a trend against this trend of dinks and everything else. There's a lot of reason to be hopeful. Let's celebrate motherhood, celebrate fatherhood, and that's part of the mission of this show. Thank you all for listening and we'll see you all next time.