Making Sense of the Manosphere

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Tämä vuottata löytyy haaste Ellis letztää aanteissa ihmisen kert பäiväni sinä käydän haaste Cats and internetasettas niin on se, että saamme pitää päräisiin eri niistä askeissa monitaisi, mutta sitä on tosi ilmoa, että se on tosi kertaa 2 suoraan mulla. Tämä on joo, että se on tosi hyvä, että on yksi kertaa yksi tämän haastuus, eli se on olemme näitä kunnita, kun on yksi tämän haastuus, että se on tosi kunnita kunnita kunnita, ja se on se, että se on yksi kulttu, että se on yksi, että se on se, että se on yksi kulttu, mutta se on yksi, että se on yksi joten se on yksi, että se on yksi monitaisi, että se on yksi monitaisi, että se on yksi monitaisi, että se on yksi monitaisi, että se on yksi monitaisi, että se on yksi monitaisi, että se on yksi monitaisi, että se on yksi monitaisi, että se on yksi 90 monitaisi, että se on yksi 90 ja haluamme haluamme. I think in the year I was born, Brian Adams was number one for about six months with everything I do. And around that time you had Whitney Houston, she has many love ballads. Celine Dion was a big favourite of my mum and various other of these love ballads. And as I went through my childhood, I even started to notice the values changed then. And in the mid-90s we had the Spice Girls and they were partly singing about love, but also it was more about liberation as well. I think really this modern form of feminism started to pick up in the late 90s. That's when Sex and the City was launched. The music culture started to change to more themes that were more liberated. And that kind of current follows all the way through to the modern day with the success of Taylor Swift. So many of her songs are talking about unobtainable man and heartbreak. And also with the rise of the internet, I think mating has become far more of a discreet thing that you do with people that you don't necessarily know that much about. There's nowhere near as much social proof. It's become very based in the kind of status you have universally rather than the status you had within a smaller, more immediate social circle. And all of those factors of coalesce to bring about a gender war and an increasingly toxic battle between the sexes. That is not really resulting in family formation. I think men are playing a kind of game theory game in many aspects because of the way women select mates. And women are kind of delaying the idea of family very far out, often up to the age of 30. And also there's a lot of spite from females. So if a female feels wronged by a lover or even a father, then they're entering the gender war from a very spiteful perspective. And all this kind of information is being shared in a very adversarial manner between the sexes. And the latest iteration of the manosphere is really tapping into that. And it's kind of based in be outside the system, work on yourself, get what you can from these women but never commit. Marriage is a very dangerous legal institution. And now it's even started to become a polygamous movement where the likes of Tate and Justin Wallow, who's featured on the documentary, they're openly promoting having multiple mothers to your children. So yeah, it's strange how far the culture has collapsed and gone into this kind of, I don't know what you would even call it at this point. But well, I mean, I guess that ties into another phenomenon that's connected to this now, which has always struck me as odd, which is the connection to Islam. And Andrew Tate publicly says he's a Muslim sneaker, he's profiled in the Louis Thru documentary, became a Muslim. I'm sure there are others that are influential within the scene, but Tate is obviously a huge heavy hitter and that maybe you could see it's a top guy in that. Yeah, what's the connection there is Islam just centered on the male fantasy and it kind of fits into what these guys are after? I would say that's definitely true and I would say, you know, I'm not a fear loger or interested in Islamic history much, but the whole basis of Islam is, you know, patriarchal warfare. The promise is, you know, a near infinite amount of lovers, you know, mainly after death, but also it's permissible to have multiple wives as long as you can care for them. And these kind of values, it's a very patriarchal religion. And in a time where, you know, young men are looking for meaning and women are seemingly unattainable for many. I think it's a very appealing framework. Islam is very authoritarian, very political. You know, Jonathan Bowden mentioned this, it's like, it's really just a manual for life and it leads nothing open to interpretation. And that can be appealing to many men. I think there's also probably a dynamic where Andrew Tate was looking for a potential second residency. So you may have been appealing to, you know, the likes of the UAE or something like that. I don't think he's a truly believing Muslim, but yeah, in an age of nihilism and sexlessness, I think a lot of men will be drawn to it. Yeah, I mean, I don't see a huge amount of people converting to Islam through this necessarily, but certainly the trend is going a certain direction. We talked about this previously with the Dayton dynamics and the amount of men that are going to be left behind by this new dynamic and how few men will find a long-term partner or, you know, even a once in a lifetime partner, if you look at the statistics. I can't lie to you. I've been working with the Lentkaret School and I know the world of art. All of the art of the Christmas and Christmas of the Fiber Club. The world of art is a place where art is used in the Dashport. It's a place where art is used in the Komsivustola shop. A kind of basic stability where most people did reproduce for the past few thousand years of European history. Now that we're well out of that traditional social values of collapse and the dynamics have totally flipped and we have female sexual selection dominant. I guess I resisted question. Are we going to see the rise of the new male that can really take advantage of this situation and spread a seed and have multiple partners? Is that just going to become a more accepted part of our culture now? I'm not that sure about that. And frankly, I'm surprised that the lack of backlash and organisation that has happened so far. It's often said that once monogamy breaks down in a culture and the majority of men stop losing sexual access that you get civil war basically. But that hasn't really happened. There's the migtowel movement. Men are just deciding to check out. Use porn, video games or whatever. They don't feel they have any real power to create any political change without making themselves look low status which would make their problems even worse. So we're kind of stuck in this dynamic where the liberal power legally enshrines all these whites for women. When people bring up that our civilisation is literally dying, marriages aren't being formed anymore, children aren't being born anymore. They just point to the liberal rules and say, "Well, this is the system that's allowed us to avoid war. Women's emancipation is great." And deal with your own nihilism and maybe go to church, be a better man. And that was really the prescription that Jordan Peterson gave in 2016. It's like, clean your own room. Your complaints aren't legitimate. You need to be better. Women are doing better ever in academia. They get better jobs. etc. And nothing's really been solved. The gender war has got more toxic for the most part. And now you've got people like Tate and whoever else promoting this, get absurdly rich to the point where you can provide for multiple women and have multiple babies because women only care about money, which is a very reductionist. Yes, women do care about resources. Yes, they want to feel secure when they're engaging in reproduction. But the idea that the top 10% or 5% of men can gain the necessary wealth and clout required to be able to have multiple women is very unrealistic. And although women would rather be one of many to a very powerful man, rather than be with a very low status man, most women would rather check out entirely and forgo reproduction than settle for that kind of situation. So it will be promoted by influencers as something that's shocking and monetizable. But for the most part, it's not realistic. Women do demand a high level of commitment, desire, love. You know, they may put up a front about being a girl boss and being very assertive, but deep in their hearts they desire a very sincere, love and emotional connection. Yeah, I mean, obviously from a right wing or traditional values perspective, whatever you wanna say, I mean, the figures of the manosphere are not the best moral exemplaries. And obviously, more traditional conservatives would be very critical of some of the takes you hear from this fear. If you think of like the kind of the matte walles types, like the conservative types, the Christian influencers. And kind of broadly dismissive of like, well, it's just the other side of feminism. It's the other side of the gender wars. Really, the proper thing is for men to start a family and live a traditional life and follow them in our gums marriage and so on. But I guess it's a question, to what degree do they have to really engage with what is bringing this fear appeal? And to what degree is, it's all well and good to say, get married young and have more kids than you can afford and so on, that you hear from Christian conservative influencers. But to what degree are some of these people just missing how much the dynamics have changed for young men there? And you could probably think of some high profile cases of young Christian traditional guys who seemed to do everything right and follow the prescriptions and lo and behold, their marriage crashes because the behavior of their partner and it's like, what do you really advise them on in that situation? They did everything they were supposed to do. But to some degree, just the modern dynamics and the freedom on offer and the intense competition, a lot of those traditional prescriptions in some ways kind of hurt men. And that's a difficult thing, I think, for these people to contend with. Yeah, I mean, there are a few solutions that are proposed by these kind of influencers that give an answer to men that are looking for a family life or whatever. Probably the most popular one, a more generic one is Goa Broad. And that might range from Eastern Europe, South America, Southeast Asia because the women are more traditional there and they're actually capable of love and they're looking for a rich Western man or whatever. I mean, there's a certain truth to that. Obviously, as nationalist, we would be-- Are you talking about the manosphere prescriptions? Or I'm thinking of the kind of matte wall types, the Christian influencers that, like kind of recognize there's a feminism problem, but are dismissive of the kinds of concerns, alienation that creates the manosphere and kind of just say, well, go to church and find a good girl and live a normal traditional life and kind of ignore the underlying problems that are driving people to manosphere content. Definitely. There is this women's watershed. Women can do no wrong. They're emancipation and their rights are absolute. And the whole Goa to Church thing is very-- it's only applicable to believing Christians, really, unless you're going to pose as one and potentially trick a girl or live their life. And actually, churches are now aware of men coming to their services looking for women. I have a friend he's been doing Christian dating for the last few years. And he tells me that is something the churches are aware of. And there are also other reports of Catholic churches having record attendances and things like this. But they do say that a lot of churches are female dominated in certain places. In other places, they're male dominated. My Polish friends tell me of this and how it still doesn't work. But the idea that you can, if you were a believing Christian, just go to church and one of the five or 10 girls in your age category is going to be compatible with you and you're going to live happily ever after. It's very unrealistic. One friend I'm thinking of, he's been dating in the Christian scene, being a gentleman, completely chased and all this kind of thing. And despite having all the right values and right characteristics and being a desirable mate, he's still encountering problems. And even these girls are Christian or whatever. I think they do still-- underneath the religious values, they are still females. And human females have-- they have feelings associated with evolutionary psychology and evolutionary success, which go back hundreds of thousand years to survival in--. The young men of the world are often seen as young men in the past two to three years. They're often seen as young men in the past three to three years. But it's still the same dynamic going on. The lens of sexual attraction, sexual selection is much narrower. And there's less social pressure even on those girls. They're not necessarily being urged towards early marriage. and they're delaying, you know, up till the late twenties, like these liberal girls. Yeah, I mean, obviously, when you have a Pious Christian society where everyone is, is, you know, get married and went into marriage and have them one or two lifetime partners, that's the norm. But once it becomes more of a subculture, and I mean, you know, whatever, normally, the percentage of Christians are, I think the ones that really follow a Christian sexual ethic is probably a very small percentage. I mean, the Catholics are more sex than anyone from what I'm, from what I hear. Yeah, I think so. We both have some anecdotal, we've noticed some trends anecdotally about that. Yeah. The problem of fornication and uncastleics, but. But yeah, but I mean, it is, this one getting out of it. It seems like a disadvantage for those people that. And it's, I mean, you don't want to sound insulting, but like it almost is, it comes off kind of emasculating when you're in a society where people are very promiscuous and we have these kind of peacocking males that are all about their status and how many women they're attaining and so on. That when you're in that kind of environment where that becomes denorm and that becomes associated with high status and you have a more, you know, a more kind of primal, virile approach to that stuff that, you know, taps into those, you know, kind of evolutionary impulses. Well, when you're in that environment, then, you know, the pious Christian guy who's, you know, a part of a religious subculture and is, you know, principally, went from marriage and, you know, all excited about having kids and so on. You know, isn't there just something that that kind of person just becomes a less attractive prospect to women, regardless of anything else? I would say so. Yeah. You know, I've been to church a few times. I went to my friends Bible study and a lot of the men there you know, they're not what you would call the form of the warrior. But women primarily are attracted to status. So if you were to attain status in a subculture, including a church community, if you are popular and desired and people want to be around you, you will be attractive to women. So there is, there is a kind of route for, you know, a man that isn't like biologically perfect to, you know, be more sexually successful within that kind of environment. But it also is difficult because, you know, there are rules to observe, you know, it's quite a passive form of dating. And I do think you're right that, you know, there's this missing virile element and, you know, women want to be sexually desired. They want you to push the boundaries. And also women are attracted to men that are already sexually successful. I mean, that is something that I think is really overlooked now in dating. You know, primarily women want men that are valuable and that includes wanted by other women. So that's why you, a few years ago, it was very popular to discuss like how everyone is playing games but not replying to each other quickly and trying to appear more valuable and not replying to messages and DMs and stuff like that. And it really does work. Like, if you skip a message when you're already, you know, courting a girl or in some kind of interaction, like, you notice the attraction level go up substantially. And a lot of men don't even realize this. They haven't like read the theory of whatever. You should say this for the course for a launch. Yeah, yeah, that will be coming out soon. For $499. But, I mean, yeah, a lot of the original Manusphere theory and the theory of attraction, it was all good stuff. And that has kind of been replaced with a very cynical view, like, you know, kind of these clips where these guys are just being really rude or making outrageous statements. And then you've got the looks, maxes, and they don't have any skills at all. Like, you know, clavicular, I think his chatablons are awful. Like, yeah, no game whatsoever. It's just purely trade enough is good looks. But yeah, a lot of men are just, they don't really know how to approach dating. They're not getting the matches or being selected, you know, on the apps or in real life. And then they become cynical. They enter the gender wall. They say it's all hopeless. And ultimately, I think the only solution is political. You know, you have to come in and change the culture. You have to, you know, put limits on the kind of degeneracy that this pumped up. We can get to that. I mean, you're kind of, you're doing the Trumpian weave here. Yeah, sorry. You have it from the industrial revolution to, you know, anti-feminist futurism. But I was just reminded of when we were talking about like the kind of disadvantage people that are wedded to traditional values have no. I'm not a fan of the idea. I'm Shannon Maldonado. I'm a professor of art and art. I'm a student of the art department. I'm a professional at the job and I'm a professional at the job. I was able to help my job. I was able to get to work and work in the field. I was able to work and work as a student, as a student, as a professional at the job. I was able to help my job in the field. date a few people and you'll see what works. and many women describe this process as discovering yourself and what you need. It all gets mixed up in short-term dating, which isn't serious. It leads to heartbreak, emotional damage, even physical damage. And then the whole curve of family formation gets pushed right back. But yeah, as you say, starting out with these overly romantic notions puts you at a massive disadvantage as a man. Talking of references to Twitter, I remember one a few, what was it? Maybe 18 months ago now, a guy puts up a post, he's got a big bunch of flowers. He's a pretty big guy, not like classically good-looking or anything. And he's got a big bunch of flowers. He's like, first-ever date today, guys, wish me luck. How do you think I'll do? And I just immediately commented, there's no way you're getting a date too. You're just trying too hard. Taking a bouquet of flowers at first date is what your grandfather did in the 1950s. A woman in terms in that behaviour now would just see it as needy, repulsive, and let them down gently. But I think one of the problems with men looking for advice and how to succeed, they're reading the comments from the women that say, "Oh, that's so sweet. I definitely would have gone for that." blah, blah, blah. All these guys and the comments being cynical, they're lying. It's like, who is running that game now? Flowers first date. What girl goes for that? I've just heard so many stories now. Guy tries really hard. First day, first interactions. He looks like he's desperate, looks like he's got no other options. And then the girl says, "Oh, not feeling it. Didn't feel the connection." That's how it really goes. Yeah, it's funny. While you were saying I was remembering, I was kind of poking fun at this guy that was like posting his wife Jack fantasy and I remember there was a female commenter in the replies that was like, "Well, I personally would never go for a guy like this, but it's been mean to make fun of them." Yeah, it's just kind of coddling. Isn't it sweet that there are guys like this? But it is totally emasculating. Again, it gets to what is a healthy masculinity and it's like, men should want to start families and they should start families. That is an important part of manhood is sacrificing your self-interest for family. But at the same time, I think we recognize that when you see these young guys that are saying, "All I want in life is to have my wife Jack and my children and just have a normal suburban life and go to Mass every Sunday." There is something inherently emasculating about that. Men should be wanting to turn themselves into weapons, like figuratively. We should want higher goals. There should be some kind of will to power there. When you see these guys who, it's been exacerbated by the modern dating problems where maybe if these guys weren't in cells and there was an easier marketplace than they didn't have to worry about this, it wouldn't have kind of warped their personalities so much. But to the degree it has, yeah, it's totally taken any kind of masculine virility out of them. It basically turns them into simps, makes them kind of easy prey. You get the sense that they're going to make a lot of mistakes and probably get heartbroken and they're kind of shooting themselves in the foot. But it's this weird thing where the kind of trad influencers want to pretend that these dynamics haven't changed so much and that this is such a wholesome thing to be celebrated. Like you said, women would also encourage that kind of sentiment. No one is willing to give these guys the hard truth. Someone like Nick Fuente as well is finding that interesting because he is really like an exception in terms of being Catholic and being kind of a spokesperson for, you know, trad values or, you know, Christian, American society or whatever. But at the same time, he does recognize the issues that have created the manosphere and recognizes that that kind of response, which is kind of, you know, bury your head in the sand and this kind of like idealization of marriage and the way they do it is just not really an optimal way to respond to new dynamic. I think Nick has great instincts. I've said it before, you know, he's not a man that's really around women as far as I understand, but he really understands the psychology of it very well. You know, maybe that's because of his family background or whatever. And intelligence. But yeah, what you were saying there about, you know, the sacrifice required to actually form a family. I mean, getting married and reproducing is essentially a heroic and aristocratic act. You know, you, it is pure sacrifice, you know, committing your genetic legacy to one person, go in, you know, without all that sleep and, you know, having to, you know, basically be a cash machine for a family. And yeah, that is the definition of heroism is to endure pain to sacrifice for collective good. And that is, you know, very well encompassed through the, you know, the Christian culture, like Jesus is the ultimate form of sacrifice for collective good, you know, existed in pre-Christian times with the, you know, the ethos of the warrior and sacrifice in war for the group. But, you know, those values have really, really been lost. And as we've entered a more commercial feminine driven culture, that kind of masculine spirit, heroic spirit has been totally stripped out. And now the mannisfier is kind of tapping into that more martial ethos. It's very much promoting gym culture. Martial arts has become very popular again. You know, we had a go at some jujitsu recently and, you know, we spoke to the trainers there and they said they get in record attendances. That's, you know, very much part of the joe rogan effect, take, take effect and things like that. And yeah, I think men do have to develop this, you know, sense of real masculinity, which is taking on responsibility, which is being brave, sacrificing. But we also need to recognize that you know, female desire and the way it manifests in, you know, a liberal culture of pure freedom, it cannot work. And, you know, there needs to be political solutions. So, you know, it's all well and good prescribing, you know, gaining money and, you know, doing the right thing or whatever. But, you know, there are still problems on the female side of things. And a lot of men are scared of this whole process because of the laws, because women are fully legally entitled to say after 10 years, my feelings have changed and I no longer wish to continue this relationship. I'm taking the children, I'm taking 50, 60% of your net worth. And, you know, that's my full legal entitlement. So, yeah, there are a lot of deep problems and, you know, us as a movement, it's a question of navigating it in the most honorable way. Well, since you suggested there, I mean, your hinting at political solutions and this needs to be tackled collectively, politically, but, I mean, what does that look like? I mean, you've hinted at one thing, obviously, is no fault divorce. And I think that's been hugely problematic to normalize that in the West. But beyond that, it seems like a lot of the dynamics in terms of how selection has shifted. You know, there's a degree of, you know, once the horse is bolted, you can't really get it back in and you can't really impose the, what were really temporal conditions of, you know, traditional society where most people were getting married and having children. And, you know, there's a lot of things that are going on in the world. There's a lot of different types of social media and front-end, and there's a lot of work to do. If the shopper had a job, it would have been a bit of a mess. So, you know, you can't really get it back in the shop, and you can't really get it back in the shop. You know, there's a lot of things that are going on in the shopper's business. Well, yeah, that's the JD Unwin faces that, you know, once you give up on chastity and this kind of restraint of female diversity. desire that you know your civilization's finished. I mean I think there's a window to reverse things but you know it's not looking particularly likely at this point and what does that look like though? Like reversing so because again it's an attitudinal shift and to what degree could even you know a political movement that had said power reversal? Well it is a very difficult problem. I mean even if one country tried to attempt to take control of the media completely change the values of the nation state or whatever. You know there's universal free flow of information. You know girls in Turkey are watching Netflix and you know spending all day on their phones and now Turkey which is you know Islamic, very patriarchal traditional place outside of you know Istanbul or whatever. That now has a below replacement birth rate, same thing in Iran. So I think technology itself is a huge factor. The way women are kind of you know viewing the world now, the viewing the trajectory of their lives, what they should be doing, the ways they're attaining status. You know very involved in their education and careers and frankly once they've achieved a certain rank in the economy in the labor market they are not attracted to men that rank below them in that kind of economic hierarchy. So the only real solution is to completely change the rank of society where men are valued far more and mothers are valued far more and you know not the the girl boss that you know waste 10, 15 years of her life and you know doesn't feel attracted to anyone you know when she finally decides to settle down. So you know if I had state power I would do things like take control of the media, change the law, completely you know rewrite the values of the last 80 plus years even beyond that. You know it sounds very grandiose and unachievable but I think that's what it takes that's it is unachievable though. I mean taking over all of the media and basically wipe out internet influence and create me you have to create North Korea basically I don't think that's I don't think that's doable in any Western country even developed country. Yeah it certainly won't be easy. I don't think anyone is saying it will be but when faced with extinction which we are now the fertility rate data is absolutely dire it's a worldwide problem. I think people are just starting to realize or certainly a few intellectual people that understand statistics are starting to realize that if we don't solve this problem in the next 20 years you know especially East Asians and Europeans will go extinct. It really has reached monumental proportions and I think we really need to evaluate why it's happened. I think we need to get far more educated on exactly how the female mind works, female psychology, female sexual selection and you know once we legislate and culturally indoctrinate a certain set of values that you know despite technology I do back humanity to find a solution. I would love to be part of that and yeah we'll see what happens I think the East Asians are in the most danger right now. China has you know enormous state power to do whatever it likes. They've already started banning sea drama which is the Chinese equivalent of K drama because they say that the average woman was gaining the idea that she was going to meet highly desirable, extremely rich man in her workplace and that female fantasy started to become the expectation and these kind of female fantasies are you know core to the female being and it's really about understanding that and reorienting a more realistic fantasy which results in a you know happy family life as our grandparents experienced. Yeah I mean there's maybe a conversation for another day on the fertility issue but I just I question you know it's nice and theory and maybe China can do it with the degree of state control it has but the degree to which people are individualists now and decepticism especially women would have of a right-wing patriotic government trying to increase the birth rate you know the idea that you can true a right-wing government led state propaganda campaign fundamentally shift women's feelings on these things to me is I just think it's fantastical and I think you know we I mean we do observe some trends where for example Czechia has a higher birth rate that average in Europe but obviously the more interesting trends is the fact that conservatives are having so many more kids than liberals know that that is a factor. Marriage is actually more successful than they were 30 years ago now so people that are marrying are staying together you know right-wing people tend to have more children they're passing on genes that are you know actually basically code for that kind of behavior you mentioned Czechia there I mean that's a famous anomaly in the European context for being quite an aphistic culture that retained a high birth rate until very recently and you also you also yourself wrote an article about Georgia and how they the Georgia Norfolk Church had a policy where the patriarch of the church who you know he's the head he said that he would personally baptize the third child or of any family I think it was and they and they saw a bump in the fertility rate now I actually lived in Georgia for several months and what fascinated me about it was after hearing about this policy and how many people online including demographers were attributing this rising fertility to that particular religious policy and they were making out Georgia's very religious place I did not see any real religiosity among the young there and my own theory is that Georgia is an extremely patriarchal nation they're they're a small nation they consider themselves surrounded by enemies they fear for their existence as a nation and the families are constantly willing the daughters to marry very young many Georgian girls get married at 20 early 20s the family members will even go on Facebook and they'll you know type Georgian names into search and they'll find other Georgians in if they're working in a diaspora or something like this and you know that's quite similar to Czechia it's a small nation surrounded by historic enemies you know central Europe has been you know one of the major battle grounds of of Europe and and they've been able to maintain a quite strong family culture there but you know these these things these declines happen in in kind of a spiral of decline when women see the other women are foregoing marriage and delaying and they don't hold a baby they don't have any real urge to you know reproduce anytime soon and they're replacing you know this nurturing with with pets and stuff like that then you get the spirals of the client and rapid drops in fertility so yeah if we can take anything from those examples it's and also Israel is another good example a nation that considers itself surrounded by enemies and you know they have a strong sense of their continuation as a distinct group and it's completely culturally enforced that the Jewish people will continue. These are the cultural memes that women pick up on and at the end of the day women will ultimately conform to the general culture and social expectation. Alright well yeah like I said I think that leads us logically onto a larger discussion about the fertility crisis and what the solutions today are going to be worldwide but I think that's for another day since we've come up on over an hour but yeah good discussion as always anything final to add before we drop the the atmosphere discussion. You know what I hope some some girls watch this and you know maybe see a different side to the whole viewpoint of men, nationalist men, the way we see the world and and stop looking at you know some toxic elements of the manosphere but yeah well we'll see hopefully you don't check your Twitter feed I think yeah I am you're probably not the best person to be women over in a song. I am a toxic patriarch. Alright let's leave it there. Thanks everyone for tuning in and yeah catch you again. 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