MAJOR HURRICANE to SLAM Gulf Coast, Oil Production UNDER THREAT w/ Dustin DeVito

A hurricane is barreling towards our Gulf coast while our strategic all reserve is at an all time low. This is not a good situation. We're monitoring the situation live. Things are looking interesting. It's up to category three, but once again, if this does lay a lick on any of our oil production on the Gulf, we are in for a heck of an event. I am not looking forward to that. But other stories we must get to as fun as it would be to monitor the situation on the hurricane for hours on end. We have some interesting developments in the midterms. James Tallerico is apparently missing. The current story is that he is down for the count with the flu, but there's many rumors circulating as to why he may be out of the spotlight for the time being. We will discuss this. We will be discussing more on the Fort Hood public execution, which was announced yesterday by Pete Hegseth. JD Vance has come out. He's expressing doubts that this will even occur live. It will be live streamed. He said he's probably not even going to watch it. What's interesting is this actually going to happen or not is public executions back on the menu. Who's to say things are getting wacky and wild. It's Friday. So it's going to be super casual. We're just going to be hanging out. We've got a great crew here today. Before we jump into everything, first, I got to read a show you guys a fantastic option going into the fall for your coffee intake. It is cast brew coffee. This is some fantastic stuff. We've got the featured products for October. We make it nice and easy for you, you know, exactly what to pick. I recommend Mary's Ghost Blend. She was in this week and it's perfect timing because her blend is perfect for October. It's very spooky marketing as you can see on the bag here, her eyes are blacked out. It's s'mores flavor. It's absolutely fantastic stuff. Head on over to cast brew dot com. Get you some coffee. I'm your host, Tate Browne. You're holding it down, holding it down for Tim Pool, who is currently in Chicago for a fantastic event, which you guys will be hearing more about. But also I want to shout out the city of Chicago and I want to send my condolences. This is the news that hit maybe an hour or two before we started filming today. Mike Ditka, the legendary coach of the Chicago Bears is dead at age 86. He's an icon. He's an American icon. And you know, even if you're not an NFL fan or a football fan or certainly a Bears fan, I think you can sort of appreciate Mike Ditka and so far as he really is like cut from a different cloth and so far as he really does represent a generation of Americans that are just gone. And yes, there's people that are distinctly Chicago, but you know, distinctly 80s or whatever. But we're not making people like Mike Ditka anymore. So when you lose them, they don't come back. And I think that's what really makes me sad to see sort of this generation of Americans start to exit the scene because once again, we're not recreating these types of individuals. The rest of peace, Mike Ditka. And yeah, once again, condolences at City of Chicago. I know he's a legend there and it's been a hard time to be a Chicago and for many, your Tim Cast obviously is the city, you know, faces a pretty rough stretch here. So seeing Mike Ditka goes certainly isn't helping that, but we have a great show for you guys tonight. And we have a fantastic guest with us today, Dustin DeVito. How you doing? Good. It's great to be with you, Tate. Dude, thank you so much for coming in. Dustin or Dusty? You can call me Dusty. You can even better, dude. Dusty. Well, thank you very much for coming in. Who are you? What do you do? Yeah. So my name is Dustin DeVito and I'm the director of research for the 1792 Exchange. So we're a nonprofit in the DC area. And our core mission is to help businesses get back to business. So we have a whole suite of databases. You can check out on our website, 1792exchange.com. But our flagship product is our corporate bias ratings where we profile over 5,000 major companies across their major dimensions of corporate governance. We try to show that where the bias exists within their policies and to highlight leaders in their industry. And we like to track to what extent our company's focusing on their business, on their products and services, or to what extent are they letting their behavior be dictated by outside or foreign or activist influences. And so our goal is to be constructive and to help encourage them to get back in the right direction. Nice, well to get into all of that, I know this is a topic, everyone's got some thoughts on. So it's going to be fantastic stuff. Got the great Rebecca Zell going out. I'm back. It's so great to be here with all of you. You might have seen me a couple of episodes ago, but if you don't know me, I'm the national correspondent for The Daily Collar and I'm excited to be here. It's been a regular fixture around here. Well, we're winding down our time out here. We're heading to DC soon. So it'll be more of your stomping grounds. Exactly. We've got the gradient crossland. We've got the clouds, happy to be back, I've emerged from the metallic cave of electricity where I was evolving my, I guess just evolving. That's where it ended. You're building a brain, aren't you? I'm building a brain. You're a brain. My own brain and another brain, a computer module brain called omega that's developing right now. I'm training, I'm, I think I'm giving it, I'm giving it tone right now. So it's voice can go up and it's voice can go down and it knows how and when I've trained it off of like thousands of YouTube videos of me over like decades. So I'm excited to see how this brain evolves. Let's rock and roll. I love this arc. It's awesome. I love this arc and like it must be said, you know, a lot of people tune into Timkast and I've had people asking this in real life. They're like, is Ian like this off camera or is this like a bit, I'm like, no, he's just like, he's like this and he's literally a top five human of all time. And we haven't even smoked pot together. Like if you're in my presence, when I smoke a joint, fuck, dude, the wheels come off, bro. Hot browns train just goes off the rails. Well, I'll have to figure out how to, how to facilitate that. I don't know if I'll partake. I think it'd be more fun. Do you, do you ever smoke pot? Have you ever? No, never much. Never seen very clear. So like it lowered my intelligence, but it raised my wisdom, I think. I think it is like a shortcut, it's like the clear pill in some ways. It does seem like it takes you out of the game, but at least you don't, like, you're not stressed out about. Yeah, but at least you're not in the game. Right. Do you want to be in the game? That's the question. Right. A new game. Is the game even worth playing? It's very salient question. Why did the game hurt so bad? It's a question I often ask myself. Right. Because it's so painful being the man in the arena. Why did it hurt? Take it. Why was it so rough? Well, with that, that's what people in the golf coast are going to be asking. What's going on? Is the golf coast. We have hurricane Azayas. Azayas? We're getting like really off on guard at the end of the day. Yes, hurricane Azayas. It's closing in on the golf coast of the United States as a dangerous category three hurricane. Now, we are, you know, a little behind when this will be going live. So I imagine it may be hitting the golf coast as you're watching this live. And maybe it's not as serious. But as I'm reading this, as we're getting the news, you know, it looks like it's going to be pretty heavy duty. And what's interesting about this is everyone was kind of breathing a sigh of relief because we made it through a hurricane season, and there was really no, you know, major hurricane certainly. So everyone's like, wow, we got pretty fortunate because the context of why we really can't afford a hurricane. This go around in this hurricane season is our strategic oil supply is at an all time low. We've been, you know, releasing this on the market to try and keep oil prices under control provide relief for a lot of, you know, industries that need, you know, energy and energy supply. The global reserve is quite low right now. And if this, you know, it's supposed to hit really the Florida panhandle, mobile, galaxy. But again, it just takes a little bit of veering to the left to really neutralize a lot of heavy oil industry that we have here along obviously the Texas coast, infamously, but also into Louisiana. It's just, we're flirting with a very disastrous situation here. So again, while the odds of this, you know, completely grinding the American economy to a halt are low, the fact that there even is a chance of this happening is quite terrifying. I don't think people really realize what this would would entail. No, I don't think they do either. Like, as you're talking about this, I'm thinking about Atlantis, you know, the story of Atlantis that it was destroyed by a global flood 12,800 years ago, comets apparently hit North America and North Asia, melted all the glacial ice caused a catastrophic global flood, 1800, I don't know, years high, tidal waves just, and then when all the ice melted because of isostatic rebound, the land went up where the ice used to be and land elsewhere on the planet dropped down. So not only did Atlantis sink, it was hit by a, basically, yeah, people are problems left this rightist garbage, but mother nature can wipe it all out. So it's important to remember that, you know, maybe something AI can help us with is protecting the weather. It's true, we're really, it's like we're on a pinhead, you know, because everyone's saying we're left and right. We need to unite against the Epstein class, but we're saying as mother nature isn't even bigger potential for that. Maybe we should unite to fight mother nature potentially, yeah, maybe, or jujitsu that shit. I guess that's technically fighting it. Yeah. But like, you had to pull in some sort of martial art. I don't know. I mean, I think the solution here obviously would be, you know, trying to wind down Iran so we can fill our. Go back in time and make sure the war never started, I guess, what is it? Yeah, that would be the best course of action. Not super practical, but yeah, it's just one of those things where it's like obviously in the media aftermath of the war, everyone kind of assumed the immediate effects, gas would get really expensive. Of course, groceries would also get really expensive, but then there's things like this downstream where it's like, "Oh, it's actually really bad that we've had such depleted reserves for this extent period of time, and it's not getting better, and it thinks it's just going to get worse over time. It's not just going to be natural disasters, it's going to be a number of things that we're going to be feeling the effects for a long time. It's really, it's not ideal. I wish I could go back in time and somehow stop it, but obviously it's not really an option. I remember we have Daniel Turner. He's on the show all the time. I mean, he knows this sort of stuff like the back of his hand. I'm using a pretty broad term there, but he's a very knowledgeable guy. I remember him saying, like, pretty much at the outset of the war, once the supply started dropping, he's like, "Dude, one hurricane, and we're going to be in serious trouble, not just as from our wallets, but as a country." That's why the third world countries get so wrecked when there's a natural disaster. It's obviously the disaster in and of itself is disastrous, but they also have no resources, and so you can't recover. That's not a problem that we haven't had to confront that in the same way. We've just had the luxury of being a very resource rich country, and now it's possible we're going to have to feel some of that pain, which is not good. We've got a taste. What was it, North Carolina when the hurricane hit Ashburn? Ashville. There's still still devastated as far as I know it was like a year and a half ago at this point. The hurricane was going to hit Florida and it went around and then nailed Ashburn. I mean, you see the potential devastation. It's definitely bad here, but like, you know, it's, it's. But we had drones and yeah, which helps in the situation. It's something for us. People don't realize is that the oil prices, you know, in the aftermath of these, you know, supply problems we're having with, you know, related the street of foremost. Oil should be a lot more expensive than actually is. You know, it's it's failing to break above like what I think the highest is gone as 12130, but it's crested back down in the 80s and it's been been around there. People, you know, a lot of economists are saying it should be a lot higher. We should be seeing this oil spike. What is going on? Well, it's news like this. I mean, global leaders announced plans to release up to 100 million barrels of diesel and oil. This was all the G7 getting together. Basically what you're seeing is the entire developed world really straining itself to keep oil under control. And this is where there is a debate. I mean, some people say they'll be able to keep this up. This is not a, not a problem. But others are saying, this is, you know, putting a bandaid on the situation and there will hit a point where they actually have to look and say, okay, we need to at least keep some of this aside in case we get invaded or something like that. Regardless, this has been a major reason why oil prices have stayed a bit lower than they should is because of this basically every country on earth dumping their strategic reserve to keep the economy under control. So if I was the leader, I would say our strategic reserve is a hundred, but I would lie. I wouldn't tell you what our actual strategic reserve was because then everyone on all my enemies would know. So they've must have huge amounts of reserves somewhere that they don't talk about. I would think that's only for like self defense for military. I imagine there's like a military reserve that's not talked about. I hope to God. That's the case. Well, even in the case of it is for the military, it doesn't have as the impact on us will still be real. I mean, so right here it says in this article from Yahoo Finance, the backstop is 283 million barrels, which is down. This is about two weeks worth of oil for the American economy, right? I haven't forbid the military needs it for anything, but like let's just presume there is like the stockpile for the military, even then this is what's available for us. So, you know, let's just go worst case scenario. The hurricane veers west, you know, really lays a leg on the oil industry in Louisiana, you know, he's Texas. You know, we're in this situation where we only have two weeks of breathing room. That's two weeks for, you know, these refineries, et cetera. I'd get set up again. So like if you had the metaphor, like if you had a room, you were controlling a room of people because you had a weapon and everyone's doing what you're saying, you're like, I'm the guard, I have a job here, but my gun, it's it might blow up at any moment, something it's very delicate. It's a it's a it's a liability this weapon because no one really realizes it, but it's a paper tiger is basically our the OPEC is the oil for dollars is our petro dollar is like that. What do you do with it? Because I don't want a hold of a vulnerable weapon that can get destroyed at any moment are like our strength of oil could be wiped out. I don't know it's like you can't get rid of the gun because then you lose control of the situation, but you know that that gun is is potentially going to get destroyed at any moment. Like the whole oil industry could be wiped out. What do you do? How do you transition to a more stable form of control? I mean, technocracy and like control, like you're talking about corporate governance. I know you guys focus on that. I know that world economic form wants to control speech in order through like thought crimes and crap. It seems like, but it's just it's just the depth further demonstrate that the global economy is a bit more sensitive than I think people previously. I mean, people figured that figured this out during COVID right where you know we had COVID hitting and we also had Ukraine Russia kick off and everything shot up and price I mean everything got extremely expensive we were seeing all these bottlenecks et cetera I think people realize like oh my gosh. You know the global market is dependent it's it's functionality is dependent on a general level of peace and stability around the world and you know as we head out to the 2020s as no longer something we can take for granted. Well the oil shortage stuff I mean I kind of mentioned this earlier how there are just so many things that are downstream from it but like one thing that doesn't in my opinion get talked about enough is like fertilizer. Like there's like a huge fertilizer shortage and we don't have like any reserves for fertilizer and I remember talking to I remember asking Brook Rollins and may about it and this was like months ago obviously we're in a bit of a different position position now and even then there was there was definitely urgency and she you know they were like we don't really have plans about you know preparing basically. For that far ahead and you know it's just kind of getting worse I don't know it's it's kind of feels like a slow not slow burn but yeah it's just like becoming increasingly more and more uncomfortable and it's in every aspect of life it's not just filling at the gas pump it's like literally everything it feels like the end of a chapter like a end of a book where like a cliffhanger like a end of star wars episode to the environment where like Luke's. Dying you know and they're like uh uh uh uh the world's falling and then like the next movie a eyes like reorganizing and like actually you can use methane for these products and here's how you build the pipelines and it will take seven seven months and. You know it will create 70 70 thousand jobs in here and you're like okay except there's like no clear off ramp right now we're just kind of like hoping that it it goes okay and then like it kind of works out but it's just kind of sitting and waiting it's a little uncomfortable but. The only issue I see in I don't even know if I can handle this is like the how do we get off the oil if we're like the oil system is very old school combustion it's 1850s technology 1890s technology whatever. Um and and it it's a it's a power it's like a it's like a power tool so how do you get off of that well I think it's pretty magical you just get this juice out of the ground and you put it in things and they. Generate power it's it's fuel so like there's a lot of energy sources but they're not fuel there's like wind power fuel means it's portable so there's either there's only three elements that we know of that can be used as fuel it's hydrogen carbon and plutonium. Um obviously we don't drive around plutonium cars we could have hydrogen fuel but that's so easy to get that if we go to a hydrogen based economy the whole world will like equalize and power and that's what the US is trying seems to be trying to avoid. They want to keep people down so they can stay up and people probably don't want to drive around on like hydrogen bombs well it's it's all down Prius is that's it petroleum bombs to like petroleum's explosive also it's is it's yeah about as dangerous as hydrogen is just like you get rear ended and it just like takes out the whole. Yeah like that would suck that is everyone had to be like locked in driving I think that's fear propaganda like we're all going to melt if we have if you have a nuclear power plant nearby you know like fear propaganda to keep the oil industry afloat. Yeah but isn't like hydrogen as I understand it like it's probably a bit more unstable than it's just lightweight so they have to put more of they compress more of it into a tank meaning there's going to be more of an explosion. Yeah but that sounds bad. It's bad if you're. It's bad if you're. It's bad if you're. And it kills like 30 belt. No I don't let me ask chat GPT what how many people it would kill if you're. The cars will be self-driving by then so. Yeah that's fine then I actually like the self-driving stuff is makes me so nervous the most recent time I've almost been in a car accident was in a way mo. It was really it was deeply uncomfortable because it locks you in the car I didn't know this you get in the car and the doors all lock. Oh yeah. So it's just you and the robot and it's like yeah someone like Ted Kennedy they like drove into like a river or like raining out. Yeah. So speaking of the oil prices and we're talking about waymo and self-driving is anybody else had a ton of friends and family members buying Teslas in the past few months with all the gas prices going up. No. I have a house for you. My family's all like anything right? My family's very like like like authentically OG like conservative. Where they're like even though Elon is like tactically on our side we think electric cars are gay so we're not going to be here truly very. And I'm like I that's kind of how I feel where I'm like you know Elon like thanks dude like thanks for the donations and everything but like I'm just. My heart goes out to you. I just like I feel like electric cars like for me away and I'm already pretty so I so I can't I can't afford to. You're so so points are too high so yeah I'm like a teetering on the way I view Teslas is the way I view like a massive pickup truck where it's like I don't want to drive it. But I want to have friends who have one you know I want to be able to drive in the big truck driving the Tesla but I don't want to own it myself. It's a good way to look. got it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's just like, yeah, I'll be out in a little bit. I got to like charge my car. Yeah. Yeah. We need to like solar power. Some form of like hypervoltaic, uh, if I didn't have to charge it, that'll be, I would, you know, I would like it. Hypervoltaic. That's a good thing. I gotta do that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would be like like super thin filament, graphing, uh, layered solar paneling. Like the whole car could be built out of something like that. Yeah. Technically, your hat could be built out of something like that. But that'd be cool to have cars that just charge your cell phone with your hat. Yeah. Yeah. There was a charge you have with your cell phone. I did a thing. He made sunglasses that like a solar panel, like on top of the sunglasses that flipped up and he could charge his phone off of it. You could get one percent, like four hours, but yeah. Yeah. It was still cool. It's the age of super thin materials, man. When we, if we can, that's the real, I think, to stop. In Britain, they're trying, they were rolling out like a 11 mile or 12 mile run of freeway where the road would charge the cars that drove over it. And that was like 10 years ago, they were experimenting with that. But that means you got to retrofit all the roads. I think it would be cheaper to build the cars. Well, you could take them off road and they still charge. Eaking of experiments, uh, Pete Exeth is experimenting with, uh, sort of, it's really an old archaic, almost, uh, way of execution, which is the public execution. And this has been well received, by a lot of people online. I'm still fielding my people that are maybe not as online as to how they feel about this. They're a little bit more like, oh, that's pretty strange. JD Vance is weighed in here. This was off of the Axios wire. JD Vance says he won't watch live stream execution of Fort Hood shooter. This is interesting stuff. And this is just very straightforward. He said he won't watch a potential live stream. Now that, uh, he says, uh, whatever the controversy is about the method of execution, I hope that people don't forget that this is a guy who brutally murdered a lot of innocent people. Now that said, I mean, look, if it's all through live stream, I'm not going to be watching it. Kind of an interesting, uh, interesting position, you know, usually you would assume he's going to go to bat for this idea. Obviously, Hegseth is defending this because it's his, it's his, his idea. Abtom Tillis, uh, who, you know, has been counter-signalling the ad mill recently condemned plans to make the execution public saying, Hassan should face the death penalty. He's talking about the Fort Hood shooter, not the, the Twitch stream. I was talking about last night. Uh, I was like, you know, don't like the guy. That's a little harsh, I think, you know, why did that's a little bit of a, you know, let's ban them first because it's going on. Uh, anyway, but making his execution public and streaming it beyond disgusting public executions are what press of dictatorships like you run in Afghanistan, do it should not be happening in America. Uh, John Curtis doesn't like it. So it's like a lot of the typical suspects you would assume don't like it. And then once again, a lot of the typical suspects that support it are also supporting it, uh, Rand rep Andy Ogles says excellent public execution is what this terrorist deserves. We will be watching. Uh, what do you guys think? Let's get into JD Vance's head here. Um, my initial knee jerk is he just hadn't really prepared a response for this question. Which is crazy because it's been long enough. Yeah. So I think he just doesn't want to sound like a psycho and be like, I'm watching it. It's gonna be awesome. In popcorn. Yeah, but then also like this response is like weird too. It's like, you know, it's just either way, it's probably not a great answer you could give to this. Well, did it say what the actual question was? Did they say, are you going to watch it or did he offer up that information voluntarily? Because if they asked him directly, then I guess he'll cut him to the slack on that one. Yeah, I don't know. Um, I mean, I think the response should have been like, oh, he was evil. I just execute him. And then yeah, also Tom tell us being like, America would never have public executions. It's like we totally did. No, we did until like talking about it. Yeah. And everyone liked it. It's just not normal anymore. And so people, I think like have an aversion to it. And then I also think that people just like have an aversion to the actual thing, but it's just not mainstream. Like for the longest time, for forever, people were watching public executions. They were watching like blood sports for fun. And like, like literally, we're watching people just die for like sport. And that was not unusual. And now all of a sudden, people are, you know, getting queasy when we want to just execute as terrorists. And it's like, I don't know. We used to like be bad. Hang out on my hills and like watch wars happen. That was like the thing you would do on the weekend. Yeah, gladiator, man, they used to show up and eat popcorn stuff. Well, it was like animals. It was a whole production. Yeah. They didn't televised though. That's the big difference. The age of TV is a little like it'll be recorded if they do it forever. It will be remembered six year olds will watch it, four year olds will see it. And they'll think it's normal. And they'll be like, oh, cool. Or some of them might be like, watch it a thousand times and just watch the way he did. Like it could create serious psychopathy in the human mind. And the strongest most powerful, most supposedly ethical country on the planet about to show everyone some horror is like, I'm totally with not broadcasting it. I'm down with killing this dude if he deserves it. But I've been struggling the last one. I'm so glad JD of all people that he was the guy that said something and he's not the commander. So he can't order the stand down or he can't change like Trump could do it. I think JD could wonder if Trump's going to watch it. What's that? I wonder if Trump's going to let go. He's going to walk in like at the UFC match. Yeah, there's going to be like all this fanfare. He's going to make it somehow about himself. You want to put a bleachers up. Have like kid rock. Do you like the kid rocks going to be doing like the opener and they're going to roll them out because the guy's a paraplegic. Oh, so brutal. I mean, what he did kind of doesn't make me feel bad for him to be honest, but like it is the image of it is really shocking. Yeah, like we really haven't seen. And like if the US goes through with the public execution, then the Russians are going to do it and the Chinese are going to show it. And then it's going to be someone that you are like, oh, no, how, why are they killing that guy? He, he spoke out against the Communist Party, but they're like, well, public executions are a normal thing to do now, everyone. North Korea will do it. And like, I don't want to set that chain reaction off. I think it's abhorrent to celebrate murder or death. It's not murder. It's illegal killing, but it's not a celebration. It's a career. It's usually like there. It's not the same type of guy that like where we would be executing. This guy murdered a bunch of Americans. He's total psycho. I like, I would make that distinction in the comparison. I also want to plug daily call really quick because it's actually kind of kind of did this. Our former defense reporter, he was the one that was, you know, bring it up to Hexath repeatedly being like, this guy's on death row. When are you guys going to execute him six months later? They're going to execute him. So I thought you were about to say you guys executed your defense report. Well, that's what I said. Well, I was like, wait, if you broke the story, I feel like you should get like serve the punishment. You should like, I don't know, get like tickets or something. I just didn't give you for a rose. I am open to like making it a closed circuit public event. Like a public execution just means paper comes watch. Not necessarily televised. That's different from immortalizing it is what you have. Yeah. It'll be used as propaganda if they do that. Like terrorist propaganda for 20, 30, 40 years of like, look at these. This is what we're up against. Well, that's what some people were talking about. They're saying that like this kind of strain of like Islamic terrorism, you know, jihad or whatever that they like they like they want to be martyred. Like this to them is kind of like the end goal. A lot of these terrorists already are intending to like commit suicide in some sort of dramatic fashion to like really that's like round out I guess the the attack. And so yeah, like I kind of seen some of that conversation on X. I don't know if I'm totally convinced by it, but I guess it's I don't know. It's worth thinking. Right. It's a compelling point because I mean, you know, you don't want to give them what they want. Yeah. And like firing a squad is kind of a cool way to go out where you should go for like max humiliation. Well, not to mention like he's already a paraplegic I feel like living the rest of his life as a paraplegic would probably be worse. Well, he's got to go. I mean, there's cosmic. Yeah, like we don't need him. Additionally, but yeah, there should be like an embarrassment factor because I mean, this is like what Singapore does with the canings. I mean, you're like screw crying like a baby. It's like that's a pretty embarrassing. So getting you know, firing squad, it's kind of like a cool way to go out. I think especially if you're like a terrorist guy like this, that's probably like the best case scenario to go out like on TV. And we're like, oh, yeah, check what if you like scream some religious thing, some Islamic religious thing right before they get him and he becomes this immortalized hero. Exactly. Like, you know, like, fuck that. So they should like, like put him in a diaper and like roll it down, like cover him in like like a core on expert that finds out what would be the worst thing for him. Spray must like do that or something. I don't know torture the guy, but let's not torture. It's just like, will you killed like 12 or guys an hour or even? Yeah, that's not even even, but like from their perspective, like preventing started and lose. Yeah, I'm just like, how do you like, how would you actually do that? I was going to say disincentivize any of this stuff from and their religion. It's like, I think that sends you to hell or whatever. So it's just like, okay, well, if you don't want to go to hell, then don't like kill Americans. Yeah, it's like pretty straightforward. I would assume. I mean, well, there was the stories during GWAT that they were like covering the sniper bullets and pig blood. And apparently it was like this whole controversy. But in this situation, I'm just like, well, this would be a pretty good deterrent. I would, I would assume. Yeah, right. In the past, you know, horror things they would do is like, they would torture him to make a confession that what he did was wrong and denounce Islam and all that stuff and just torture the, out of them until he does it. And that's, I don't want that. We've kind of gotten away from that. I think you just do it in silence and then, and forget about it, like, uble at that thing, like put it away. And it never, like, I don't know how it doesn't happen that often, you know, it's, yeah, I don't know. I feel like Vance should watch it. I don't know. Like, I don't, I don't want to obviously can't dictate what the guy does. But just like, from like an optics perspective, like if you're, if you're of the vice president, like if you're a member of the administration, like you kind of forfeit, you know, like you kind of forfeit the ability to be choosy in a situation like this. I feel like symbolically it's important for the administration to kind of like send a message. I don't necessarily, I kind of get what you're saying with like, you know, immortalizing it, maybe not like, but you should be there maybe or like, go ahead. Have you watched little executions? No. Or do you have your watch people killed personally, by the way, don't really plan on watching it. bangedup.com back in like 2002 and it was like dude, it was like, dude, it was like, I was like a bunch of people getting killed and I would watch it over because I was like, if it happens, I should see, I should know, I should be witness to reality and it started to change me and mess me up and I realized, okay, not you're not supposed to see everything that happens in the world. You got to protect the human mind. No, I agree. I think I knew that before I had to go to some place like banged up, it took me a while. I like figured that I was born and I knew it. I think when after October 7th, in Israel was going into Gaza and killing, I was like three years ago, that's when I realized I don't need to watch and people, I was like, I want to watch all this stuff and they're like, don't do it to yourself. They're people that are supposed to see it and then there are people that aren't and you're not wanting like 40 years, you're just macro dosing like, go or no. I wasn't mine, social network, I co-founded, I was the admins, I was one of the admins so I'd get the boost feed, people want to boost their content on the website and it would be this thousands of posts every day or hundreds or whatever and I'd go in, it was like, this one's legal, this one's a blown open body, this one is okay, this one's okay, this one's racist. In Minecraft. Yeah, and I would, it was warping, like mind warping and not, not, it sounds really bad for you to. It was rough. Yes. Literally I'd say. How long were you doing that for? Five years. It would take me like a half hour to be like, alright, I'm good. I'd have a hundred in the queue and it would take me 20 hours to get it done because I couldn't bring myself to do it. I'd like, and I'd try to like not watch and I'm like, dude, that defeats the purpose, I've got to see if it's legal and if it violates sight terms, that's my job. But like humans, I don't think are really supposed to- Dude, that's the worst than all of the women that are like obsessed with the true crime. That's like, I don't know what it, you were trying to scribe- I was just, it had to get done so someone had to do it, that was so I was the one cleaning up the pieces. You know, it was gross. In the thing with the execution too, it's not just whether he shows up but also how he portrays himself. Because if the argument for people who are okay with the execution occurring that it's just, it's like, okay, then this is an opportunity to teach people about that. And so it's not that we're just celebrating, it shouldn't be a celebration, it shouldn't be like that in a vacuum. It's like, there is a sorrowful component, like it is really sad that this- It's heavy. What they did and that, that's how they fell and as a Christian it's like, this is someone like you want to pray about all this. And so, you know, it's not just whether he attends but how is he going to portray himself and would the admin, if they're going to go through with it, use it as an opportunity to show people, well, well, this is why, like if we're going to do public executions, how do we distinguish ourselves from these other states? It's like, oh, well, we have a lot better reasons why we're doing it. Yeah, you don't want it to be like, you don't want there to be entertainment value necessarily. Yes. We're not going to take it. Right. Yeah. And- Yeah. And that would be a little bit much. A little over the top. It's just like, it's a little ghost, but yeah, no, no, I agree. To the worst that like I had been exposed to is like police body cam footage, but it's all censored. It's all on like YouTube. And that will stress me out after like 30 minutes, but like it's kind of like what you're saying. It's like, oh, someone's got to, someone's got to do it, you know? Someone's got to carry the boat. Someone has got to carry the boats and like, it's good to, I guess, no, but like, I don't know about- I mean, I'll watch like- I think one of those, and I'll like go and a walk like to go on my head. I couldn't imagine five years straight of- Bro, it was rough. And I thought, I was just like, I can handle anything. I mean, I can do anything. It's like my thought process. I can do it. But like your body can only handle so much, I used to play football, like flag football of my friends. I would run, I ran so fast one day that I tore my own MCL just running. I'm like, you can, you can push yourself and you think you can do it, but you can only, the body can only handle so much before it breaks. And it's the same way with the mind, man. It's true. Sorry. Yeah. I agree. I agree. I agree. I think JD Vance's presidential material, man. This is a huge, huge deal that he's got ethics when it comes to this. And Pete Higgseth is a bloodthirsty killer, which is good, because that's what you want is your top dog in the military. But he's not the commander. It's up to Trump. And I hope Trump makes the moral call here. Well, I'm curious to know like what Trump does, because I feel like, I feel like he's going to, like I said earlier, I feel like it's going to become. It's going to become a spectacle if he decides to like go through with it. That's kind of my concern. You don't want it to turn into like the freaking hunger games. Like, you want it to be a serious kind of like, solemn, but like necessary, you know, display to prevent the sort of thing. That's kind of the idea. Well, if I remember from the Higgseth thing, it's going to be at forehead at the moment that he conducted the shooting. And I imagine the people carrying out the shooting have so much attachment to forehead and some way. I believe he said that it's going to be like service members killing the shooting. Yeah. Like that's what needs to be reiterated is like, no, this is, this is like keep it clean and for us. And we're letting you see this because you should like see this as Americans understand what's going on. But like ultimately this is for us and our like it sucks going to be having like a live feed. Like I don't understand like the logistics because we just haven't had this. Yeah. Is it going to be on like rumble? I don't understand. Is it on Facebook live? What do you mean? It's going to be live streamed like on the White House Twitter. I don't get it. That be wild. Like in between like, and then they're going to make velocity edits and everyone's going to get mad. It's like. Well, there's going to be like hype edits of the traditional execution. Terrible. Yeah, I think my pillow add on it. Maybe Pete's philosophy is he wants to desensitize the world to violence because it's real and he's seen it and he wants the American people to like snap out of this comatose post Cold War week. Everything's candy canes and rainbows everyone. Just let them in the door and what can we're safe. We're America like he wants to, but you know, you can you can shock someone so bad that you accidentally kill them. So you got to be careful with what you expose people to. I think it's just test driving it because like so many people always say this. There should be public executions and that sort of thing. And now we finally did one. And then we're like dog. The car moment. Yeah. Oh, okay. So I think it's like a test drive. See, if people respond well, then you can keep doing them. But if people are like, no, no, no, and JD Vance won't watch it, then the one time thing special addition. Yeah. Because I mean, without the context, it's unclear if JD Vance is saying I'm morally opposed to it. So I'm not watching it or I'm not going to watch it because I don't know what other answer to give right now. Right. It's kind of unclear, specifically what's going on. I want to get to this story, Rebecca, this is this is your domain. So I think you can buy flush this out a lot better. But this came across my desk via you from the daily caller Virginia officials grant parole to dozens of rapists, murderers, and repeat violent offenders. I mean, we're seeing these almost like cartoonishly evil move is by Spanberger. And every time I see it, I'm like, okay, well, this is just the right wing. And you like, look in. She's actually doing. Like insane. Now, so the story with this, I had been doing some reporting on this this week, basically, Virginia, obviously, new governor Abigail Spanberger, she comes in and the parole board consists of five members, each, each governor can choose to appoint a new board. She decided to fire all of these are all the young people to fire them all and she replaced them with her five of her own parole board, board members. And basically what they do every month is they like review all the cases and decide whether or not someone should say in prison or if they should get released. And I was looking through the parole decisions from August and September and it's insane. Like dozens of violent criminals, like, like, it's not petty theft. It's people who were in jail for, you know, the things that you would assume there are six people that they paroled who were initially supposed to serve life sentences. You know, like life sentence doesn't even mean life anymore. It means, oh, if you get lucky with, you know, the, with the governor, then maybe she'll just kind of let you off the hook or rather her parole board will. And it's insane. There's a couple guys here who, just like, if you'll read their rap sheet, it's, you know, it's some of the worst stuff and that some of the victims are like the family members of the victims will go to the parole board meetings and they're like, please don't release this person. They, you know, murdered my relative or they, you know, assaulted, you know, like, it's really, it's the most horrific stuff that you can imagine, probably whatever you're watching on that website, it's like that. And they're just letting them out, you know, they, they'll, like, you'll read the justification. They have luckily a box. So on the spreadsheets, they have a box kind of explaining why they're letting these people out. And they said things like, oh, they had, they had eventually sustained emotional and behavioral stability. They said that they have a low risk score or whatever that means or that they had been actively participating in faith and community programs in prison and that they're just like, and that they didn't have any infractions in the last, you know, 24 months or whatever. And it's just like, you're reading this and it's comical, like Tate said, like, this is like a cartoonish type of evil. And it's, except it's like right here, it's in, it's in Virginia. And this is just, it's been going on for several months now. I think they, they were appointed in March, I want to say, and already they, they've just been, they've unironically been letting the worst criminals just back into Virginia communities. These people committed crimes again. Well, so this is from August and September. So this is like just a couple weeks ago. And so until like up until then, obviously they weren't, but I haven't seen like, I haven't followed with the reporting since then. A lot of these people are hard to track down. I was like, trying to see if I can get in in touch with any of the relatives, but because a lot of these crimes were committed in the 80s and 90s, like there's just no reporting available. Like these people are difficult to follow. The only place that they pop up is on the actual like decisions that are released by the Virginia government that are like made public. This isn't information that we had to dig up and like, you know, and fine. Now this is like on the website, you click on it and it says which parole board members voted and why and a lot of these decisions, five of the six people that were originally sentenced to life that were let out were voted to, were paroled unanimously by the board. All five of them were like, it's fine. Should be, it should be all right. But the crime was 40 years ago. Yeah, they're, so like I guess part of the, their reasoning is that they're geriatric or whatever. But it's like, well then, you know, be geriatric in prison. Like I don't know, you got sentenced to life. Like that's what the life sentence is. And so I don't know, it's been, it's been really an insane thing for a lot of Virginia residents to, to live through because it's not just this. It's ton of the soft on crime policies that's been really affecting quality of life. They do life or life without parole. I think those are different, aren't they? On the spreadsheet, it says life. So I guess they would be eligible for life without parole as it can be a sentence. Yeah, I don't know what the, the Virginia, but like because some states that life sentence is like like 15 years. Yeah, but I mean, it's just one of those things like on principle, like it shouldn't be, you know, like this shouldn't be a situation that you're like the sky murdered a bunch. Like, well, there's one guy that murdered his dad and then left the knife in his like head. And they were like, it's he's probably chilled out by now. It's like a complete misunderstanding of the point of prison. And even in so far as like rehabilitation is not the point of prison. The point of prison is this person is unstable, unfit to be in society, even punishment. I mean, in the case of a murder, you're never going to get justice for that, right? This person's taken away. So the main point of prison is just incapacitation. This person is clearly unfit to, you know, walk amongst us, they're dangerous, et cetera, et cetera. Get them away, like there's something fun. If you're, if you're going to go to the lengths, you're going to kill someone, you're fundamentally, you're broken as a human being. Should be removed from polite society. Remove from polite, that is the point. And so even the most gratuitous reading of what they're doing here, where they're like, let's just take them up their word and say, this is just, they truly believe these people are rehabilitated. That is just off of evidence of them in a prison environment. We have no example of how they operate outside of prison, who's to say, even if they're geriatric, who's to say because their mind is so just broken that they don't just fall right back into the same thing. We see reoffense rates are quite high, especially in the United States. Or it's just fascinating to me how like, in some instances, we have like all this remorse for these geriatrics, you know, when they commit a crime as evil as this, but since they're old, we have this remorse and we're like, well, look, it's just a little old man. But then in other instances, it's not the case. Like you will see with, and this is good, by the way. Like I'm not necessarily opposed to this, but with Bill Cosby, people are like, you know, he's elderly, but no one felt bad for him. They're like this creepy old man get him out of here, or the same thing when they find these like old Holocaust guards, or you know, these like SS soldiers and they're like in their 80s or 90s and they're hobbling around. And they're like, I don't care that he's elderly. Like he's got to pay. So it's like, that's the society. Sometimes we get annoyed that they're elderly and we can't like hold them to the full, you know, like give them the full suffering that you know, prison should, it should entail. But then in other instances when they're old, something is just weird in the American psyche where we actually don't view murder as that big of a deal. - Yeah. - And maybe to your point earlier, I'm like, people maybe are just desensitized. But there's, there's like other crimes that people get more worked up over than murder, which is like literally the worst. - And a lot of the criminals who were, you know, who were eventually paroled, committed a lot of those crimes that you're talking about. It's not exclusively murder. - Right. - It's some of the most horrific. - Yeah, it's, oh, these people have like, you know, up to 10, 15 different convictions, like violent convictions. Not again, it's not just petty stuff. Like sometimes you'll see something that's sprinkled in, but the vast majority of these guys were in jail for, or prison for like really, really violent, not just, you know, not to say just murder, but like murder, slew of other things that I don't really want to talk about. But yeah, it's, you can go look for it and look at it yourself. - Why can? - Oh, yeah. - I would love to see it all. - Oh, yeah, I'll send it to you if you'd like. - It's kidding. - No, no, I believe you, I take your word. But this brings up a conversation about forgiveness and about, this is a conversation we have before, I'd like to get your take on a two dozen is like, if you steal when you're eight, if you stole some M&Ms, and then you're 60, are you still a thief? I don't think so. If you killed someone when you were 14 and now you're 70, and you have, you've been like a saint, and you've spoken for people's rights and activists, and you've helped families through losing people for 50 years, are you still a murderer? - Well, the, no, I don't think so. - The problem is if you're a thief, you can make amends for that, you can pay, you can do whatever that was worth, as long as you can go and return the money that you, - You can kind of fix it. - Or you can return the M&Ms, you can fix it, with certain crimes like rape, like murder, you can't undo that, the damage is done, and there's nothing you can do on earth that would ever sort of, - Undo it. - That would, that would, level out the ledger there. If you steal food and eat it, or if you steal money, what it's worth? - Like if you stole a head of lettuce, you can still go back and say, "Hey, that was worth $5, here you go." And maybe even more, if you want to really say sorry, but you can't do that if you murdered someone, it's like, "Here's 200 grand." It's like, "Well, the person's not coming back." There's no, that's why a lot of people will say, there's a civil suit that follows, and they get a, you know, a billion dollar payout, if they're company like something dropped on them or whatever, like a piano drops on them, and they get a billion dollars from Yamaha. But they're like, "Yeah, it's a billion dollars, but it's still not bringing back John." Yeah, but the M&Ms aren't coming back, Tate. - You can pay for it, give them out, but they're done. - You can give money. - You can give money, but you can pay money for a murder, too. - But you can, you can expunge the theory from you by making, you justice, that's the, that's the idea of justice for some things that's impossible to have justice for honor. - Yeah, were you asking about the age difference with the, like, oh, the person convinced the crime when they're eight and then now they're 60? Were you asking because, is there a certain point in your opinion at which you almost can't hold them accountable for something they did? - I tend to think like sometimes people will do something once and then there's a tendency to be like for the rest of their life, they will say they are that kind of person. Even though they only did it one time when they were very young and had never done it since and actually are against that kind of stuff for their life. And like, why would you call that person a thing? It doesn't make any sense. And so people change and like, I don't like to say like, to put people in a box and be like, no, you made a mistake. Now you're doomed to live as that for the rest. - So, yeah. - That's just one of us. - Well, these guys are like repeat offenders too though. It's like, as much as I want to be charitable to people who are just, who didn't make the right life choices and then have really been able to repent and whatever, like, I think in like a personal capacity, I think it's okay to forgive people in a setting like that. But just from a practical perspective, I think it's really irresponsible to like cut these sentences short because it's like, there's just no way of knowing really. Like, they could have exhibited all of the signs that they really are a remorseful repentant person and that they're reformed in all these things. And then something could just, you know, a flip could switch and something could, they could go out and do the same thing or something worse. And it's just not like practical from a societal perspective, in my opinion, to be empathetic in that way. I think in a personal capacity, like, if you were victimized or someone you know was, like, I think that's fine to do that in that setting. Like, you'll see people who were victimized, like, find it in usually Christians, find it in and of themselves to like, to forgive their attacker. And like, that's great. But I just don't think that you can copy and paste that on like a large scale. - Yeah, there's a difference. - I mean, it's just not doable. And my mind instantly jumps to Erica Kirk, right? And the forgiveness she was willing to extend. And yeah, you have to separate the personal dimension from the role that the state plays in wanting to protect other people, like, Tate is talking about, you know, even if somebody forgives somebody else for an offense done, you still have to take into account. Okay, but is that person going to change? Have they changed? Have they repented? What is their effect going to be on the society? Because if it's still going to be super bad, then obviously you have to do something about it. And that's why these institutions, you know, exist in the first place. - I mean, no one took the risk. You know, it's like, I don't even want to roll the dice on this stuff. Like, I've been so radicalized by the crime, just like, living in DC, it's like constant. It's everywhere. Even the petty stuff really gets to me. It's like, we honestly, I don't think that we're being harsh enough, like at all. - That's how authoritarian creeps in. They let this aside. - You got me. - Yeah, they let the crime come. And then they tell you, the solution is let us have more control of, and then people will be like, please put the flat cameras and all this control. Like. - I just think that we should, like, at least enforce the existing, like, penalties. We should enforce a law as it at least exists. Like, we don't really do that. DC has such a low prosecution rate. And it totally ruins the quality of life. It's the nation's capital. It's like, I shouldn't have to worry about using the public transportation, or getting mugged, or getting assaulted, 'cause I dared to go out with my friends past sundown, you know what I mean? It's like, there's just certain things that I actually don't really want to compromise on. Again, personal capacity, if you find it in yourself to forgive somebody who wronged you or attacked you, or did something horrific. I think that's, like, really admirable, but I just don't think that that's practiced. Maybe it's just 'cause I'm a woman, but I don't think it's practical. - Forgiveness doesn't mean letting people go, it's got free, like, if someone's threatening me, and constantly, and I'm like, please stop, please stop, and they keep doing it. I'll say, you don't understand what you're doing, but I'm gonna have to retaliate if you don't stop. And then if they do it again, I will destroy them. And then I will forgive them for what they did. I won't hate them for it, but they must be gone because they can't, it's disrupting. I can't let that continue. But I see. I still forgive them for, they didn't know. So I'm not gonna harbor hatred. But that, so it's not about, are they in prison? Are they not like, if they need to go, they need to go. But if these people are legitimately like worth a chance, maybe 40 years of learning and dealing with what they did, maybe, I mean, it's like a case-by-case basis. - Well, I guess to Rebecca's point, I understand what you're saying. I just think like people aren't in the mood right now, it's sort of being this like, introspective, well, because crime's so out of control. - I can't really afford to do that right now. - Yeah, and it's not violent crime's actually down, which is quite interesting when people find that out. But it's this like underlying level of danger that is still persistent in America. I feel like it's worse every year because there's so much disorder. And so to your point, this was something Amber Duke over at the Daily Cloud was talking about, and the flock camera debate was kicking off, as she was saying, look, if the police have demonstrated that they're doing everything they can, and crime is still continuing to go up, then we can have a conversation about flock cameras. But her point was, we're not even like, you know, even pursuing these people, we're not throwing the book at them, certainly, we're not even like doing the law that is. - We're not even like doing the law that is, yeah. - Law enforcement, like you can jerk off on the subway and nothing is going to happen. - Yeah, you can antagonize people constantly. Like, there's a lot of like, you know, minor, you know, or maybe not even like non-criminal like behaviors that just like totally ruin it for everybody. And it's like, it's overlooked, you know, and it's super, like, I remember last year, there was the video of the guy on the Metro. He like mugged some guy, he ripped some guy's can and a goose jacket off of him. It's stuff like that, it's just like, I'm like, actually, I don't know, I think you should go to jail. And it's like, so it enrages me so much. It's like, there's plenty of people who want to just live a normal life and wanna live in a high-trust society and not have to worry about getting their winter jacket ripped off their body by some like, 16 year old in the ski mask on public transportation. That also happened to jump the turn style. It's like, yeah, just to add insult to injury, they also didn't pay for the Metro. It's just so outraging. And it's, yeah, I'm kind of at the point where it's like, I wanna be where you're at, but I'm just not. - Well, I live in the woods, so I'm allowed to do that. - Probably is why. - It's probably hell of it. - That's a huge palette clumps. - If I was surrounded by watching people commit crimes unfettered and like violent crime too, not just like stealing. I don't, I'm not, stealing can be considered violent, depending on what you're stealing. But it's like, it's the overall disorder, right? Everyone just feels like everything's getting worse and that's true, like everything's getting dirtier and more dangerous, even if you're not worried about getting murdered, right? It's still like, everything is just the quality of your surroundings, your environment is getting worse. And this is why this totally neutralizes the ability of the state for these releases to have any power. And so far as maybe this person that was released truly has turned their life around and maybe there is an argument, maybe the people that were victimized for Givenham and there's an argument for rehabilitation and letting them out of prison. The problem is they fail to like enforce the law at any level, certainly at the lower levels. They fail to enforce it. So right people are rightfully skeptical that they're actually releasing these people and they truly have turned their lives around. Again, if the government had like, was 100% track record or a really good track record on law enforcement and administering fair sentences, et cetera, then people probably wouldn't care that much if someone that's been in jail for 40 years and their geriatric gets released a few years early. Probably wouldn't even be a news story. But the reason why this kind of stuff and rages people is because we're not in an environment of like law enforcement. We're not in an environment where people feel like justice is being carried out. Certainly consistently because middle class people, you're getting popped with speeding tickets all the time. When I drive through Washington DC, probably once a month, I'm getting an automated traffic ticket, you know. - That's all the revenue. And so I'm getting popped as a good to do, well to do citizen. I don't even have any misdemean. Nothing. I think I have a traffic ticket on my record. I'm getting popped every month because I rolled a stop sign or something because these automatic cameras are pinging it. - Or because-- - I'm driving past homeless tents and people peeing on the sidewalk and people harassing-- - And it's agonizing families. It's ridiculous. - It's just unbelievable. So I'm just sitting here and I'm like, I'm the one getting harassed by the government and these people are getting a free ride. So that's why not to kick a dead horse here. But when the whole flat camera thing kicked up, that pissed me off because I was like, well hang on, this is just, if this is going to be anything like law enforcement has been in this country, certainly in major cities for the last 10 years, I'm just gonna get J-walking tickets. Well, you know, the flat camera catches me walking across the sidewalk and these delinquent slack jaw derelicks who are just committing these low-level crimes at all times harassing me, making no one, everyone feels unsafe. They're like literals crazy psychopaths. They get to conduct business as usual, nothing happens. - Yeah, like you'll get a ticket if you enjoy a bottle of wine with your friends at the park on a nice summer afternoon. But like if someone's fentfolding, right? Like 10 feet away from you, they like nobody does anything about it. It's like this, like it's that gap that really, it's just like, again, it's the quality of life thing. It's like you can't just be, you could be a totally normal, well-intentioned person living life and still get hit with tickets for like random crap. That like just shouldn't be, you know, it's not stuff you should be getting in trouble for. Or they're like kind of twisting the laws. It's written to, you know, basically just make more money off of normal people who didn't actually do anything wrong. But they know that they're, since they're normal, they're actually gonna pay the ticket. That's the sort of stuff that like just really grinds my gears. I hate it. - Extraction of wealth is annoying. The legal system targeting people that they know can pay the ticket or that letting prisoners out because they're too expensive to hold in prison. I don't know if that's a calculation when they're paroling people. But I thought that DC had been over the last year. So since the National Guard was unleashed a lot, less crime and that crime had been going down. - I mean, it's better, but it's still, you know, they have an American city. And American, for whatever reason, the United States just has like an inability to make our cities feel safe. - It's because we leave it to the citizen to protect themselves in this country. That's like the primary function. - I don't think these blue cities necessarily are like second amendment purists and they're like, oh, this is gonna be like, 'cause if you like, if you defend yourself in a lot of these cities, they'll actually take it out in you. Like, infamously, there was one in New York City where the guy shot him in the back. So he went to jail and the home intruder got off because you have a duty to retreat or whatever, which is absurd. So I think it's actually the opposite problem in these cities is that they don't expect the civilians to take care of themselves, which I, as an American, I'm uncomfortable with, but I'd be like, okay, that must mean the police are doing a bang up job, right? You know, that's the case here. - Well, then people see the cases where people like Daniel Pennier, whoever else do stand up and then things don't go well. So it's like, well, why would I put myself out there? - Yeah. - Even in DC, like, not to be a woman about it, but just like from a female perspective, our options are so limited in terms of self-defense. Like, even if you manage to obtain a concealed carry license after you've proven that your life's in danger and taken all these classes and all these things, jump through all these hoops, which none of the people who carry guns illegally and irresponsibly have to go through, then it's like, by the time that rolls around, you can't actually carry it anywhere that it matters. Like, because there's all these weird jurisdictional issues about like federal property and all these things, you can't take it on the metro, which is like definitely one of the hot spots. Like, it's one of the most unavoidable ways that people interact with crime daily or like regularly because obviously people just, you know, take the metro and they get around the city and they just hop off the green line and like literally steal your Canada Goose jacket. I remember there was like, we would get crime alert notifications of like shooting is at the metro because people would be carrying, you know, firearms illegally and they're obviously morons and they don't know what they're doing. But then it's like, if I want to be in a situation where God forbid I'd have to protect myself, that's illegal. I would potentially be reprimanded for that. And like, and you get on the metro and you see some like large woman, some large security guard with a gun on her waist and you're like, my odds of death have just got like tripled. It's like, this girl's probably gonna shoot me or someone's gonna take her gun off her waist. It's stuff like that that people interact with on a regular basis that is like so blackpilling, unfortunately, and it's all happening in the nation's capital just to make it a little bit worse. - Yeah, and it's like, okay, you know, people respond and say, well, this is like, get out of the cities. And it's like, I think America should have the option. - So yeah, man, I'm trying. - It's like, yeah, yeah. - Like, I mean, I get if you have a bone to pick with cities, but, you know, and Europe as, you know, bad as things have gotten there, their city centers are still quite nice. You know, it's like this radio, you know, a slop on Twitter where they're like, France has fallen, oh, look at all these migrants. And you go to central Paris and it's quite nice. It's certainly a lot better than American cities. It's their suburbs or war zones. But the point is, you know, at least the cities there still function to some degree. Like, you don't feel like you're going to get your head sawed off, walking around, you know, certainly some of these cities like Amsterdam or Berlin or Edinburgh is fantastic. My point is, you know, especially American young people because that's where a lot of the best jobs are, should at least have the option of living in a city. And once again, not being worried about, you know, being victimized by crime every single day. So, okay, yes, I get it. Get out of the cities if that's your prerogative. But, you know, some of us like to live in cities. You know why? Because our ancestors had that option. Up until literally the 1960s and 70s, people could live in the city. And in many cases, the cities were actually safer than the countryside. And, you know, depending on which state you lived in, certainly not the case anymore. And it's just, it's these little, it's these little erosions of your sovereignty as an American, as your liberty as an American. Yes, your liberty isn't always eroded by the government. Sometimes your liberty is eroded by government and action. And crime is a great example where my liberty as an American is actually encroached upon by government inaction. Their inability to effectively police the community actually makes me It actually gives me less liberty to go about my life. I can't go down certain streets. There's neighbors, I'm from Memphis, 90% of the city is basically a sundown town, you know the little sundown towns. Oh, white people have sundown towns. They're called Memphis, they're called Detroit. Like we actually have real sundown towns in America. It's called Baltimore. Like it's just unbelievable. - Something that's really interesting to think about is, you know, why is it the case that the overwhelming majority of these large cities are democratic around? I mean, there's very few that have Republicans in office. And then you compare that with the fact that everybody's moving out of the blue states and into the red states, largely speaking, and definitely since COVID. And I think it's a reminder that a lot of people who maybe sit a little bit closer to our, we might on certain political issues, especially with law enforcement and our response to crime, are typically the kinds of people who aren't as interested in obtaining power or running for office or things like that. We see how power is exercised in a way. That maybe repulses us or disgust us or that we don't like, or things are unjust, and then that just scares us from it overall. But it's like if we want to create these cities that are going to be very safe, they're gonna put the safety of their citizens first, then people on our side, so to speak, loosely defined, those people need to be willing to, you know, run for office and really be the people like making the change. I think that's such a broad pattern we see across institutions, as we have all these large institutions. And most people can see the problems with them, but where are the people who are willing to step up and actually put themselves out there? - The Ben Franklin quote, I think I was just thinking about what you were talking is people that are willing to give up their freedom for temporary safety, deserve neither freedom nor safety. And I'm thinking about like AI observations, spy tech, to protect like robot police, drone detection, and like scanning citizens to make sure that people aren't jail walking. Like at some point you can deviate from the order. I'm not gonna ticket you for speeding five miles. But if I see somebody getting mugged, I've got a drone right above hand, maybe it's even got a gun on it. And I can just take care of the situation in seven seconds and the person doesn't get mugged. Like, but if I get it wrong, that's part of the process too. But like, do you support that like level of introduction of technological security? - Could you maybe re-explain where you're saying it? - Like would you be down with robot cops? - I don't think I have a position on the spot about robot cops per se. But I do know that, you know, like we were talking about earlier, at the minimum people could agree to just enforcing what's already on the books. - Right. - But do we even need them? We just need like normal cops to be allowed to do their jobs, I feel like. - There's not enough of them. And they can get killed and they can get arrested for doing the wrong thing at the wrong, like they're on since the Biden era on edge about doing the wrong, like there's not enough. - We just need to, I get what you're saying. - I just like, please need to be. - I was gonna say, the police just need to be allowed to do what they're hired to do, which is like enforce the law. I'll be it, sometimes it'll be imperfect and in situations where it's warranted. Like yeah, you know, respond appropriately. But like a lot of the, I think a lot of what you're saying is just hesitancy to enforce the law as it is 'cause you don't wanna get in trouble. You don't wanna become the next Derek Chauvin. You don't wanna, you know, you don't wanna offend people. You don't wanna get in trouble. And it's like, and that's been a he, that's handicapped law enforcement. Like a really impactful way. And like, I don't think it, you don't, I don't think we have to resort to like a bunch of predator drones just in Baltimore. Like I don't think we really need that. I think we just need like a couple of good guys who are allowed to just get out there and do what they do. Like, if sure, maybe even more. But like you're probably seeing a lot of, you know, people are probably demoralized by just like, how limited law enforcement have been in the last years. Like you described this problem. Parts is that one is the law isn't always the right thing. Sometimes the law is can be evil and you're supposed to break them to do the right thing. Like in Nazi Germany, for instance. Yara, like disobey like speeding tickets. Well, I don't know. It's not as evil. It depends on the situation. Like if the government were to issue some evil law that says you've gotta turn your neighbor in if they speak, you know, whatever you violate, that you've done the good, you're the good guy in those situations in history will write you as the good guy 'cause the tyrannical evil law. So breaking the law can be very good sometimes. It's just not usually, you know, ideally the laws are good and you have got balance society. So just straight up enforce the law isn't necessarily the right thing. That's why I'm concerned about having a robot like automated law enforcement 'cause if it's just by the book and you're like, bro, I had to run into the middle of the street to get the kid out. I know I blocked traffic and threatened a bunch of drivers, but like it was the right thing to do. And if I get a ticket for that, I'm like, what in the fuck? You need good cops that have good judgment that are allowed to exercise that judgment in like life or death scenario sometimes. Just like they should be, like I'm not worried necessarily about the vast majority of police's judgment. Like the vast vast, I would say 99.9999% of the police force, I totally trust them. Like I don't think that that's necessarily a problem. It's just that like the crimes, like the laws that aren't being enforced are not like evil laws. It's just normal laws that are good. That just they're just like not allowed to enforce. - It's because also because they're sworn to protect the order. Not the law. It's order. - Why disorderly out there? - Right, so if breaking up a horde of fentanyl addicts is actually gonna cause a mob to riot and throw stuff, they're not gonna do it 'cause that will disorder. Like they don't want to maintain order. At what cost? Sometimes it means they let people break the law, which is the weird thing about it. - Well, there's another like that's in that specific situation. Obviously the prescription there is just to like bring back institutional institutionalized. Like just give these people a place to go. Like that's not just like funded by some obscure NGO that gets unlimited money from the local government that like doesn't actually fix the problem. Like some of these people like that are severely addicted and severely troubled. Unfortunately, like do need to be held against their will in some capacity because it's like clearly they aren't capable of making the necessary life decision to stop, you know, to correct their life. Of course, correct. - You mean like insane asylums or like whatever you wanna call 'em? - Yeah. - Rubber ribbons, rubber remodels. - My parents met at an insane asylum. Were they wonderful things can happen? - They got married in the chapel there. - I think that's great. - Falls view. - Really? - And then never would have happened today because now it's see a sea of breads. - That's why the breads you brought though. - He was in an asylums. - He was an orderly dude. My dad would wrestle through the ground. - No one's talking about that. - That's our third places. We used to have third places like insane asylums. - Where you could meet, have coffee, you know? - Yeah, and we've lost that. - The dudes would chew on the leather straps to try and get out of the bed and stuff. - Out all days. - Yeah. - I mean, now you got to wrestle with my own or the doneness. You can be back in the age two and a leather strap first. - He said this one dude and I hate to throw Joe under the bus, but my dad was saying this one patient Joe. It would like, just start gnawing on the wooden bedposts 'cause he wanted to get out of the bed. He would be stuck and he just started chewing on it. - Yeah. - And that's like that. - That's just bad. - Do you want him in the work? - Where you're like trying to take your kids. - That's what San Francisco is like. - Oh, I know. It's like the walking dead. I grew up 40 minutes from San Francisco. And like, people, I mean, I'm sure everybody knows this by now, but like if you drive, if you dare to drive there with your own personal vehicle, people will leave the cars unlocked. They'll put like a piece of paper in the window saying there's nothing in my car. It's unlocked. Please don't break the windows. - I went to San Francisco in 2016. I was moving there and I parked my car, went in. It was like right by Hayd Ashbury. I walked up, looked at the apartment. I was like, yeah, this is looking pretty nice. 15 minutes, I walked out. My window was shattered. My backpack had been out exposed in my back seat. Stupidly, I should have had it covered. But like, and you should have to like cover your personal belong. You should have to try and like disguise. - Like not for a guy, yeah. - Yeah, like that's like some third world nonsense. You shouldn't have to do stuff like that. - I would, it shouldn't have to, it's human nature. You know, I would love that for someone else to protect me from human nature. But at what cost is always the question I ask? - It's a great example of your liberty being eroded by the government in action is like, I should have the liberty as an American to leave my belongings in my car and then they'll be there when I get back. Like that's, that's, I think you're right, as an American. That is being encroached upon by these fence heads. Additionally, another place where we're seeing our liberty eroded by government in action is this fascinating scoop that you have, Dusty. And this was in the Washington Post. Shout out to the Washington Post for running this store because this is a fantastic story. Your company's charity list may have a political screen built in. So this is an example of you should have the liberty to donate to some sensible organizations, so I'll focus on the family in there. - Yeah. - And very innocuous, normal charity, but this company here, who I guess a lot of these charity re-roots the utilize, has been blocking these great charities. - Yeah, so there's been a ton of talk, especially this year about the Southern Poverty Law Center and the controversy there with the fraud and the federal indictment and people getting arrested who worked there. And so what I tried to do in this piece is connect that abstract outrage story, which everyone's justifiably outraged about, to something that's more every day that affects millions of people in the country. So most people listening probably are aware of the Southern Poverty Law Center and then it has this so-called hate list, so they keep a list of organizations that they deem in their view to be hateful. The problem isn't that the list doesn't have any hateful organizations on it or extremist ones. It's that it's overly broad in nature. And so after the SPLC had essentially bankrupted the clan, you have to start inventing hate in order to keep the money coming in. And so there's a lot of groups like turning point USA, Alliance Defending Freedom focused on the family, do no harm, who are moms for liberty, who are on this so-called hate list. Well, how does that impact millions of Americans? It impacts them because there's over 200 major companies and the Fortune 1,000 who are likely are potentially using that hate list to screen which nonprofits that the companies are willing to match their employees' donations to. So in other words, for a lot of large companies, they do a GIF match program. They say, hey, Tate, we will match, you know, dollar for dollar, whoever you give money to, up to, you know, $2,000 this year, great. But they have to outsource that work of vetting because of course the company doesn't wanna be complicit in gift matching to a nonprofit that's really some like foreign group that's just scamming money off Americans, right? They have to go through all of this process, a different, you know, OFAC and terrorists list and whatever else. And so in the piece, I'm really highlighting how the largest charitable giving platform in the world, Benevity, that's who hundreds of these major companies are using, Benevity was relying on the Southern Poverty Law Center's hate list. And then they tried to hide it. And so the two clear pieces of evidence were their internal global cause vetting document was obtained and it shows that their in-house list builds upon the SPLC's hate list. Okay, so it doesn't consider it builds upon, meaning it's at the foundation of their system. And if you go down later in the piece, I talk about their CEO Kelly, former CEO Kelly Schmidt and in her PowerPoint presentation she was bragging about using the Southern Poverty Law Centers list. And so this company Benevity, they're processing billions of dollars in charitable donations a year to nonprofits in America. And top recipients, Planned Parenthood, the ACLU, but then anything that would be considered more centrist or libertarian or conservative or family advocacy based, a lot of those groups, again, like turning point USA, not allowed to give to you, right? So that's kind of the basis, that's where the piece is coming from. Fascinating stuff. Well, I mean, I don't know if you can speak to this, but a few months ago, obviously it had broken that the SPLC was sort of funding indirectly or directly groups that we would consider extreme, a far right groups and that sort of thing. And to your initial point, when you kind of run out of extremism, maybe you have to invent some out of thin air. So it's kind of curious, obviously that was this massive indictment of what not the SPLC. So it's kind of curious to see that simultaneously, once again, we're seeing the SPLC, this isn't just like some list that doesn't affect us. And this is only something that people and conservative media care about. Once again, this is eliminating your ability as just a normal person, a normal American, to donate to charities that you agree with 'cause you don't even have the option. When you go into this portal, they're not even available there. And it's because of the SPLC who, on the same organization, is funding the extremism that they're worried about. Yeah, they purportedly are the group that's countering, doing the most to counter extremism. But then now it's come out that they're giving millions of dollars to these extremist organizations that actually do exist. So they've had a credibility problem for a long time. WAPO, to its credit, ran a piece years ago, outlining this, a ton of people have done so. There's a really great SPLC expert, the leading SPLC expert, I think no doubt is Tyler O'Neill. He's testified before Congress on this multiple times. He wrote the kind of the premier book, Making Hate Pay. And so that's a really good resource. But this cropped up again last year because the SPLC put Turning Point USA on a hate list last year. And then they put out a hate watch thing about Charlie Kirk, the month of the assassination. And so there was an incident in 2012 at the Family Research Council office where there's a gunman who went in and shot it up. And it came to find out that the hate list was his inspiration. And so there are connections you can make between the list and violence. And so as that news came out about Turning Point being added to the hate list, which is absurd. And then as the federal indictment came out and they're funneling all the money, this has certainly raised the temperature, so to speak. But here's what's even more interesting. And I'm breaking this on the show. I haven't told anybody else this yet. In my piece, I made sure that everything was really well-sourced, that it was really clear to people. And I couldn't link to Benevity's website because they were hiding this information and eventually deleted it. So I did what any journalist would do. I linked to the way back machine, right? I go, okay, it might be off the internet, but the internet's forever. I'll go to the way back. And so when the piece came out, that's fine. My links are there. You go to the way back machine. All the documents we're talking about, it goes right to them. You can see the Southern Poverty Law Center and Benevity's documents and in the PowerPoint. Now in this piece, if you go and click on the links and it opens into the way back machine, it's a sorry, that URL has been excluded from the way back machine. What does that tell you? Well, likely, potentially likely, it's the case that Benevity, instead of addressing the issue, they have contacted the way back machine to remove the URLs. For a while. Now, the internet is forever. We have those documents. They're still other way to elevate this information. But for us, when we're exposing these intersecting interests for companies, the goal is always to be as constructive as possible. So for us, it's not about, oh, we gotcha. It's about, hey, Benevity, they have a new CEO, Saraya Alexander. And it's like, you have this clear opportunity to demonstrate good leadership. And for the sake of millions of people who are using these gif matching programs to say, you know what? We didn't really know what we were getting into when we included them in our methodology. SPLC was kind of just like the hot thing to do for a while. And this seemed like a good group because originally, it did some good work, finding the clan and other extremists. So we didn't really know, but now we do. And so we're going to remove that filter entirely from our system. That is the kind of action that we would like to see from-- Did you contact them? Yeah, so our organization made multiple attempts to contact. Unfortunately, we're not able to talk to them. We also launched a coalition. This was the month after Charlie was assassinated with the various nonprofits who are unfairly placed on the list. And so we wrote a letter with all the undersigned groups who are unfairly on the list who, again, been some of them victims of this violence. And we're just asking them, hey, like charitable giving should be transparent. It should be, you know, viewpoint neutral. Like if people are able to give to Planned Parenthood, certainly they should be able to give to Turning Point, USA. So, you know, it was just really, really interesting to see their lack of response. But fortunately, there have been a lot of major companies responding. So in my role, I also get to take the research we do into the boardroom. We get to talk to corporate secretaries and directors and investor relations executives. And so we walk through this issue. And in most cases, the companies don't know about any of this or loosely familiar. But to their credit, when we walk through it, they go, oh, yeah, that's terrible. We should do something about it. So in the past year of having these, a few dozen meetings with companies about it. And there's around 10 major companies who have made the decision to turn off the filter. This is like the metaphor of AI I would use is like, they wrote the code. You went in and did a code review. And you're like, hey, there's a bunch of bugs. Now they're fixing the bugs. They're patching the bugs. Yeah, and it's even companies you wouldn't really think would have that the most appetite. I mean, there's certain companies you think of. You're like, oh, that company's maybe more in the middle or more right wing. But it's all across the board. So some of the companies who had courageously turned off the filter sales force, Microsoft, American Express, Nvidia. So there's a lot of these big companies. And it doesn't really matter the industry. I mean, for the executives, if you can really walk through, you have your ducks in a row. We've been encouraged to see the progress. But on our website, 1792 Exchange.com, we have a separate database or hub that outlines the issues with SPLC and Vinevity. There's other charitable giving platforms too. And on-- there's a page, it's how companies have responded. And so we'll say, oh, here are the companies who have turned off the filter. Here are the ones who said it's not on. They were able to prove it's not on. Here are the companies who haven't responded. But again, the goal is always to be well informed, to have the facts, and then to be constructive. Because we do think that, at least for a decent amount of executives, yeah, they don't want to politicize charitable giving. They have bigger problems to worry about. Oh, I'd rather that they fix the system than get boycotted. I mean, the boycott thing can work. But God, what an effort. And like, everybody gets damaged. There's a real lot of damage. That's nice to see. What's 1792? What was the inspiration of that, calling it that? Yeah, so in 1792, that's when the button would agreement was signed. And so when there wasn't as much clarity organization, when it came to the trading of securities in the earlier colonial time period. And so in 1792, a group came together. They signed the button would agreement. That document became the basis for what's now the New York Stock Exchange. So we're only about five years old. And the reason for the name is because we are in some sort of a parallel moment where there's just a lack of transparency or organization about how corporate corporations are conducting themselves. People don't really know all of the policies that are in place. They're maybe not getting all the information they want. When they find it, they might be horrified at what corporate corporations are complicit in, what they're promoting, the money they're taking, where they're giving money to. And so this is kind of like a new call to get businesses back to business. So businesses are supposed to be creating value for their shareholders, creating goods and products and services that serve the society and the betterment of the world. We're talking earlier just about all the amazing things that I could do in theory, right? But instead, a lot of companies are spending millions of dollars on activist causes or letting outside interest groups determine the policies they set. So I firmly believe we firmly believe that companies are a great thing in the world and they bring about so many good changes. But they're only going to do that to the extent they're focused on the business. You're familiar with ESG. I am environmental social governance. It's coming out of the world economic forum, Switzerland, and all this stuff where they were. want to transition the world away from national governments to corporate governments. And that was the big problem I saw was there's a lot of like activism and closed source behavior. Like with national governments, you have a legal system that you can read and you know what the laws are. But with a corporation, it's sort of like whatever the CEO wants to do or whatever the board decides. You know, they might have terms of service that they can change on the fly. It's very concerning. Yeah. But if you're focused on, have you given to believe that the future is going to be corporate governance? Do you think that national governments can can maintain? Yeah. So I think it's less about, yeah, I think the debate is really about, you know, the balance between the companies and their power and also the power of the state or the nation. I think what you're getting at there with the ESG debate is interesting. So for those unfamiliar, yeah, the ESG movement is about gearing corporations towards focusing on environmental, you know, social and governance issues. So a lot of the net zero fossil fuel climate change would fall under the E, a lot of the you know, DEI quotas and transgender benefits and things like that would maybe fall under the S. And then there's different, you know, governance debates about the rights of shareholders and things like that. And it's not that any single issue that could potentially fall under any of those categories is inherently bad. You also have to look at what people are calling for. But loosely speaking, the people promoting ESG, like you said, it's like the Davos types that the world economic forum and it's really caused a lot of companies harm. It's harmed their bottom line. It's changed their ability to positively impact the world. And so, you know, it's not really a surprise when a lot of these corporations whose brands have totally imploded Nike, right? That was the big one recently, Cracker Barrow last year, you know, tractor supply when that was the controversy in the summer of 2024. You know, a lot of them had, you know, knowingly or unknowingly taken these crazy positions on certain issues. And a lot of it has to do with the ESG agenda. And so for us, it's really about highlighting that for the executives. It used to be stakeholder capitalism, which are, sorry, let me start over, used to be called shareholder capitalism, where the corporation would say we have to serve our shareholders. Yes. It's really own money in our company. And then what they're trying to do is, no, no, no, let's make it about stakeholder capitalism. So it's, now we have to serve our community, whatever the fuck they, like how vague. And you know what? You're that changed? It was actually 2019. Have you heard of the business roundtable? No. Okay, so it's a good group. They're definitely great people involved. But the business roundtable, it's kind of this cool kids club of 200 or so major CEOs. And they get together. They often have the president or the vice president come speak to them. There's a lot of good work they do. But one of the things they did that wasn't great was in 2019, they issued this letter trying to redefine the purpose of a corporation. So historically, it was understood that a corporation exists primarily to create value for its shareholders. And then also, you know, further down, it ends up, you know, being good for their customers and their employees and people who aren't their shareholders, who are their stakeholders. And what you pointed out there is, if you make the subtle shift of, well, we'll serve shareholders primarily to, we'll serve stakeholders primarily. It's actually a major shift because the question is, well, when does that end? Because isn't technically everyone my stakeholder? Because they all live on the planet that I live on. So our point is like corporations are thriving because of their expertise in creating a good or a product or service that's needed, right? That's why we want these executives on the board. That's why we want people to have the jobs they have. The companies don't exist to identify and solve every problem. So it's not that companies have no role to play, but that's not their fundamental duty. And we think that the work of identifying and solving those problems, you know, happens through the free market or through nonprofits or through, you know, there's other ways for that to occur. And I don't, I think if we chain, if we try to redefine, you know, the purpose of a company, I think that's really harmful and I think it would be really powerful for the business roundtable after seeing the effects of ESG and how it's ruined a lot of companies. It would be really powerful for them to issue, you know, a new statement on the purpose of corporate government. Yeah. Like, could we do every corporation has to have, or if it gets to a certain size, a stakeholder department, something that needs to organize with other stakeholders around the world to understand what that even like an ethical, like kind of like an ethics department. Like what is stakeholders? What are stakeholders? A reasonable thing that works along with government to like national government, because you want to keep that national government in there with a stopgap. Otherwise, the corporations decide society's direction, which would be very dangerous because they become governments in themselves to see the East Indie trading company. What do you think about that? Is there room for stakeholder? Yeah. I mean, there's room, there's an example I can give that can maybe shed some light because I said that corporations play some sort of role. So okay, what do I mean by that? Well, in 2024, there was a series of companies who were exposed most notably by Robbie Starbuck on the internet, and he's showing all their crazy policies what they're funding. And a good number of them ended up deciding, yes, we're sorry, we shouldn't have done that, we're pledging to not do x, y, and z. And one of those things they said, we're going to stop giving towards non-controversial non-business causes. That's the key word. And so what was interesting to me is, again, we track all this behavior. We have a back-to-business tracker on our website. We go, hey, what did companies publicly pledge to their customers and shareholders to do? And then did they follow through? What did they do? And what we saw was a lot of companies like Walmart and Lowe's, for example, who were previously funding a lot of very controversial events, let's just say, all of a sudden started giving six-figure grants towards disaster relief efforts in North Carolina, once that hurricane we were talking about earlier hit in Asheville. So you go, whoa, this money came from their charitable money pool. So there's a money pool that was going towards a lot of controversial events. And then now the companies decided, you know what? What if we gave it to things that were for the common good, essentially, right? Like whether it's fighting hunger or, you know, the disaster relief efforts, like that's the kind of good a company can do that's not going to be controversial. Building roads, for instance, like improving the roadways, if we could get a corporate percentage of like our national corporations to fund our national roadways, that'd be badass. There's definitely a stake in that. I mean, and I'm talking about like graphing in the roads to make them last two and a half times longer. You know, new roads, new electrical grids, things where you literally the stake is, it's no higher stake than keeping the power on. Let me tell you, if you're a corporation in the United States, well, keeping the cars driving on the street. Something with high stakes as well as the upcoming midterms. We have here from Kalschi, shadow to Kalschi, obviously a fantastic sponsor we have here at Timkast. But once again, they're holding strong on the markets right now over at Kalschi. The Democrats sweep is at 60%. That's what people are putting their money on, but the very least, you know, you got pretty much everyone thinking the Democrats will at least take the house. A lot of developments on the midterms front. I know everyone's a little tight, you know, exhausted at this news cycle, but there's a really fascinating storyline going on right now where James Telleriko has vanished over the last really week or two, the official messaging from the Telleriko camp is, okay, he has a flu, you know, some sort of flu and he's been in the hospital, but we've seen some figures. I saw Spencer Pratt coming out a few others who are, and I should reiterate speculating that he's having some sort of mental health crisis. Once again, that is pure speculation. I'm just regurgitating what people are saying that is not the official position of Timkast IRL, but it is fascinating nonetheless that this is happening because I mean, many people are making the point and it's a good point that, you know, a flu diagnosis doesn't just take you out of the game completely. Certainly for two weeks, I mean, you could see being down for the count for a few days. It's very bizarre, especially when we're getting this close to election day, fascinating stuff. What say you guys? I mean, do you think Spencer Pratt might be on something? Again, it's all brilliant. Well, he's got a nasty colsaur in his upper lip and he's like, I'm not going to be humiliated. He doesn't want to show his face. He doesn't want to lose anything. I'm saying this report from a local CBS affiliate saying that because another one of the critiques is that it wasn't just Talleriko who's MIA, they hadn't been able to get a hold of anyone on his campaign to like make a public statement. And so this just came out. This is apparently from one of the spokespeople on his campaign saying, quote, James looks forward to being back out this weekend after recovering from the flu. So they've been saying this whole time that he's just had a really bad flu, which like so real. Maybe he got long COVID or something. And it says that it's been 84 days since James challenged Ken Pax and to come out of hiding and answer Texan's questions in a debate, blah, blah, whatever, it's like normal campaign speak. But yeah, this is like kind of the first that we've seen in a little bit from somebody on the campaign actually come out and say anything, nothing actually, like super substantive. I think we're all waiting to see like actually Talleriko out and about. And Paxton's just been totally milking it. Like they just keep putting out all of these, all of these different pressers being like where is he we're going to find him like it's, it's just my inbox is blowing up with Ken Pax and being like, Talleriko, it's a little bit much, but like it is kind of a real question. It's like you're, you're actively campaigning so close to the midterms. You know, if you're sick, like take a selfie video, you know, like yeah, proof of life, like, let's, like, why is this, why is he pulling a like a Mitch McConnell right now? It kind of feels like it's a little bit weird, but I mean, Mitch at least had that picture of him in the bed, which I guess was it real that it turned out it was real? Oh, I knew, but at least I can't really tell, yeah, something we've obviously seen him since and like. - He's like, it looks like Master Uguai. I'm like, dude, he's gonna go on to the Senate floor one day and he's just gonna turn into a gust of cherry blossom petals. I'm really worried. But with Taloriko, it's like, you even got that. He's young, he's probably fine. - Yeah, it's something to lose, right? This is an upcoming election, and he was challenging people to a debate. I think it was Tim that said, if you're challenging people to a debate, you're probably not doing well, right? Because you probably want to swallow him. Like recording it and he's like, where are you, Ken? And he's like, showing him on the phone. I was like, that's cool. - So strange. It's like, yeah, it's like, that's what I hate the most about midterms versus any campaign season. It's like all of the gimmicks that campaigns think would somehow convince people to vote for them. It's like, I hate stuff like that. I was like, remember when Kamala Harris was like, pretending to be on the phone with someone that was sort of like, no zap or whatever. - Really? - These things can only go wrong. Even if they go, right, like, nobody, it's like, very rarely well received. I hate these campaign stunts. But like in this case, I would actually like to see, like maybe Ken Faxon should just do a 180 and like, call Talarika and be like, where are you and film himself trying to call him or something. I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of speculation online, but there's like, the real story is that we have no idea. - That would be something, a mental health crisis. - You went to the spa? - Yeah, like, I mean-- - Deep stuff. - We crash out sometimes. But this is like a serious crap. You're out of the game for two weeks. - Yeah, that would be, I mean, I can see why, that would be a rumor. Like if he actually had a mental health crisis before there was even a chance of getting elected, he's not fit for office, which would be an extreme thing. So like, the jury's out, you know? - Maybe he got like, he just got in the A.I. Psychosis. Like, he was just chopping up a chat. And the next thing you know, he's like in love with it. - He got caught and chatted with you. He's like, I don't want to run for, I just don't care anything. - It's my tomorrow. - I just want to code. - Yeah. - What are the chances it's just his consultants wanting him to like lay low? Like what if the thought processes? Oh well, a lot of people are gonna make up their mind, you know, build up some anticipation. - Yeah, so. - Yeah, he's just getting dragged. - He's gonna show up like, it's more mushroom. - Yeah, I mean, he's actually just grinding and like, he's, and we're all done on that. - He's gonna do like a mic ton of thing and pop out, he's built like a Minecraft world. He's like even wondering where I am. - I built Versailles on Minecraft while I was gone. Well his account, there's someone still posting on his account. So it's like, you know, someone has access to it obviously, but like his staff has just been a little bit cagey I guess, which has led people to be, to obviously speculate about all the crazy things. There is also a good chance that he just got like a crazy flu. - That's true. - You know, like he legit might have long COVID and like, that's not funny. You know, like we shouldn't make fun of that. - You can knock you off for 10 days. If he eats poorly, you know, if he's been eating poorly and he's probably been running for the first time. - Well, he's in the first time. - He can freak or something. - He used to be, he's not vegan anymore, is he? - I don't know. Well, I think someone's posting a picture of him eating like a ham-hawk. - Yeah, he was eating like a big turkey stick. - He was a weirdo thing. - He got sick from that. - Was he traveling too? Has he been traveling around? Is that a worry out? - Well, in Texas, Texas is a big state, you know, that's true. - Yeah, he's definitely out and about. - And he's lost. - He wasn't. - He could just be lost. - Oh, that's true too. - It's a real possibility. - Yeah, I find the campaigning really nauseating. Additionally, like, yeah, these guys can literally die and their Twitter's will still be running. The oldest person in the Senate right now is like the only guy that clearly runs his own Twitter, like Chuck Grassley, like obviously is running, 'cause it's like full of typos. He's just like talking about his life. - For his vacuum. - Yeah, like nothing related to like, I mean, 'cause you look at his record, it's a little, you know, touch and go, but if you look at his Twitter, you wouldn't even know his Senator. - It's just real. - He's like, I was thinking about oranges today and you're like, yeah, that's way better than what Talleriko is posting about. - He's beloved vacuum that he's had for like decades recently broke down. - Oh yeah, he was saying. - That was pretty heartfelt. There were like articles written about it because he was famous for taking photos of his vacuum. He's like, look what I'm doing this weekend and he says like 50-year-old vacuum. - And he's like 90 something, like really old. - Very, very old. - But you know it's him tweeting 'cause it's like clearly an old man on a blackberry. - Yes. - It's like a zodiac kind of spelling. It's awesome. - Where are you talking to a riddle? - Chuck Grassley. - He's going to pull it up. - This Talleriko's office said he's going to be back on the trail this weekend and CNN town hall on the 14th and Fort Worth is his next scheduled appearance. - Yeah, we'll see. - Yeah, we got about a week to confirm. - Yeah, Chuck Grassley's Twitter banner is just a really zoomed in photo of like a corn husk. - Yeah, look at that. - Yeah, I just followed up. - Like you know that he went to Wikipedia, or he went to Google and typed in corn, screenshot it and then made it his turn. - Dude, that's like getting nine likes on him comments. Emma, excuse me, this is tennis. - It's so old school. - Is this tennis? - It's set to uni over Drake 25th, 13th. - That's like my, my brain lies you. - But it's mine's ayahuasca, his is horn. - And then someone's just talking trash. (laughing) Poor guy. - He's just trying to talk about tennis. - Someone took this video of him and like he apparently had a backup vintage vacuum and after the tragic, you know, the other vacuum breaking and he said disappointed my backup plan to vacuum for a family reunion didn't work my 1966 Electrolux is also broken. Like this guy is just, you can't, like this is him running his own account. - This is him. - This is not a staffer's idea. You know he hands his phone to his wife and he's like, take a quick video. - This is. - Take it all at the people now. - Why, you know, every four years we vote, we're supposed to get new people in, 'cause he should get a Dyson. He should get a wireless 30 pound, 20 pound Dyson. - Phenomenal, I'm not- - With analog, he's like, I want, I don't trust people. - I don't understand these new fangled buttons. - He's Trad. - Yeah, what Trad looks like. Like it or not, Trad is him talking about Murray State, again, presumably tennis. - Well, there's a lot of tennis. Is he playing tennis or is he playing tennis? - No, I think he's watching like college tennis. Maybe his kid, I guess, great, great kid at this point, plays, yeah, so I'm not sure. - I see him T. - He's branched about Crade him a lot. Every time I see his tweets on my feed, it's 'cause he's like really upset about Crade him. - Oh he is. - Crade him band, yeah. Has he, does he know someone? Does he have a loved one that has- - He calls it poison, all the things. Like this poison. - Crade him's wild, I mean, I'm not procating. - I knew somebody that was like Ian. Crade him's the new, it's amazing. And she was like euphoric about it. And then like six months later, she was deaded. Like a depressive, just a fell into a deep, deep, deep depression. - I was very addicted. - That sounds like Crade him. I didn't know much about it, but I was like, I'm not trying that thing. - Can you give that a like a gas station or whatever? - Yeah, you used to be able to pick it up anywhere. I don't know what the restrictions are on. I think it's an opiate. They put it in a drink called like, I forgot what the thing is called but to say a gas station drink that people didn't realize it was in there and they kept drinking it and they got really addicted to it. And now a lot of people are upset. - Oh, it's football. - Oh, it's football. - And to being addicted to something. - It's football. - Oh, football? - It's not uni, it's University of Northern Iowa and presuming, and then I'm presuming David Young as maybe the quarterback. Uni half time, Uni 28, Drake 14, David Young, I'm enjoying with enthusiasm. Like, dude, I still don't understand what that means. - I'm leaving at third quarter, David Young. Drake is in deep freeze. - He should be. - Without context, this is like, is he killed someone? (laughing) - He's in a deep freeze. - He killed the rapper Drake and put him in the deep freeze. - Valerie goes in a deep freeze. - I get to go #cornwatch. - Dude, he's out in like the fields himself. (laughing) - See how cool it is. - This is cool. - He's a corn farmer. - Oh, his name's Grassley. That's pretty cool. - But he's been, I mean-- - He's driven. - I can't remember when he first came into office, but let me look. I think his first office was like state rep or something in like the 50s. - Literally like the 50s. - Sure. - When it was Wikipedia right now, his first, he was elected to the member, he was a member of the Iowa House of Representatives elected in January of 1959. - Wow. - Ever been only working like in your, your only jobs ever are just like being in public office? - Just what do you mean? - Being a corn farmer, that's good. - So the overall majority of his 93 years on earth, he's been elected off. - It's a big problem. - The photo of him is crazy. - It's part of, I mean, it really looks like him, I like. - Like the upside is. - Well, he was already a veteran in politics on this photo, it was taken in 1970. - What year was he born? - He was born in 1933. - Wow. - And so did he serve in Vietnam or, no, he was a politics. - Oh, I've been to gone. - Yeah, in the Korean War? - He would have been old enough for Korea, but I don't think he was. - 33, so he would have been raised on a farm. - He was able to have electricity or plumbing. - He was born like before, like breaking electricity or whatever. - Wow, he's the owner of his dad served in the war in World War II. Chuck Grassley, so the upside is he's old school, so he's not like rushing into changing things, but the downside is he doesn't seem to understand the world. - What's going on? - Yeah, like, yeah. - I think he actually knows more than most. - Look at this. - I think I, - Salacious. - Yeah. - Our corn is now in - And then on purpose. - Ending stage, about six weeks away from harvest, notice, indentions at top of Colonel. It's like the SAVAC's held up right war, and he's like, "I don't like this corn." - Ashtag corn watch. - Back, what I said about Chuck Grassley, he's a specialist. He's focused on the corn industry, which is one of our cash crops, so. - And so he's on soybean watch too. - I'm gonna think it's a problem that a lot of people in Congress and stuff are not actually grass-touchers, so at least he's tushed grass. - I don't think he much has. - He's just grabbing the pick. You see one stem from one being plant here, and he's just on touched soybean watch. - He also loves doing lean. - He's like, he famously loves doing lean, which is really awesome. Patriot. - Like, this is, I love this. Tomorrow, Barbara and I celebrate 72 years of marriage. Tonight, we have dinner at Weekly House in the water, where we went and we were first. first dating and that's very nice. - That's awesome. - I think that's brilliant. - I've never seen have abbreviated like that. - Yeah, that's an old head thing. That's what old heads, that's how they compress. That's how they stay alive so long as they save time on spelling. There he was with Derrick Wayne. I think I just whizzed past that, there he is. - Oh my God. - Yeah. - Always into it. - 46 years for a strawberry malt. - Geez dude. No, I can't condone that. That's toxic. - It sounds so good. - Better than cradum presumably. - I'll get some coconut water if you want. - I gotta find the vacuum discourse. Was this not on his? - It's, if you, if you-- - He doesn't have a personal Twitter. I think this is illegal, but he uses his, like, government Twitter, that's his personal diary. - If you search vacuum, it's on there. - That's why I was annoyed because I'm like, why isn't he talking about the electrical grid and he's talking about the ball on his government account? - I think the vacuum was named Beth or something. - I think I misspelled vacuum anyway. - Yeah. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, you will see Beth no more. - So it's like a, that's like a snuff threat. - Dude. - This is like you're like a proof of life and you're like, we're gonna snuff her out. You will see Beth no more. See black, that's from electrical sparks. It's not safe to use anywhere. Goodbye, Beth. - I imagine. - That's a threat. - It's a strong duel. - That's like a mobster sending you a picture of like your child, like kidnap and say, you will see your no more. - Your namesake is still hard work. - Yeah, black, that's electrical sparks. - I think must be so moldy on the inside. That's gross. - Yeah, how many years do you-- - That's very heartfelt. I will miss you. See, do we really miss our products? I mean, that, that shows you it's from an older time. You know, hashtag right to repair. You can develop a bond with your vacuum. It was funny last night, the guest was saying, like we shouldn't treat AI with any sense of humanity because it totally warps your mind. You don't view it as a tool anywhere. You start to view it as like a person. Chuck Grassley is gone. They complete other way where he's giving vacuum like a personality. - I appreciate that you brought that up. That's a good point. - Yeah, the robot, Beth, the dumb bot, you know? - Well, I mean, he's gone above and beyond where he's given Beth attributes. He's saying you've been a workhorse, you know? Hard worker, he's saying he's gonna miss Beth. Beth was over 40 years old, by the way. But I don't know what the ratio is, like vacuum years to human beings. - 40 years of vacuuming his house. - Yeah, let's find out. - I usually send this picture of faithful Beth before starting the drudgery of getting the farmhouse ready for the family coming for Thanksgiving. But since Beth is 40 to 50 years old, I'm sending when I'm done faithful Beth delivered. - Dude, like if you look at all of the Beth posts, it's like almost the exact same photo over and over again, but you can tell they're taking on different occasions because he just keeps the vacuum in the same place and retakes the same photo over and over again, but they're all different photos. It's really awesome. - This is the average vacuum cleaners, the life expectancy of a vacuum cleaner is five to eight years. - Yeah, they don't make them like they used to. - No, maybe premium vacuums, you might get 10 to 20 years out of it. A well maintained high quality vacuum can last 15 to 20. Maybe he just doesn't vacuum that much. I don't know what his class is going to have. - I don't know. - He was so obsessed with this vacuum. Does he vacuum or does his wife do it? - I think he does it. - But that's the weird thing with like modern appliances is yeah, everybody has that kind of white or maybe yellowish garage and their fridge and their parents garage rather. And then they've had it for 30 years and it works perfectly fine. And then someone buys the brand new Samsung touch screen whatever and then after three years it breaks. The role pool thing runs out of gas right after the warranty expires type of thing. - Yeah, well there was like everyone for a long time. I imagine that people probably still feel this way. We're talking about how like the iPhones, the battery was intentionally being slowed down over time. And I think Apple had to like settle a lawsuit because they actually were doing that. - The planned obsolescence, I think they call it. - Yeah, they like had to set, there was like a couple- - Apicon firms. - Yeah, they were like, you update your iOS at your phones. - You got us, yeah. And it's like, no, it's clear that like the incentive, the incentive for a lot of these companies now is obviously just like profit. - This is the craziest one. The, but I got married at the beginning of the year but- - Not really, thank you so much. Just over a year ago, those lives living in a house and this was some of the guys from my church. And there's a fridge really old had to get replaced. The guy, before he made that call, he came out to fix it. He opens the freezer door and just starts laughing, whoever they called and sent out. And I was like, what's the deal? He's like, dude, I see this all the time. He's like, come look at it and I look. And the way the fridge was designed is that every time you open and close the door, it's just like, sawing its own wires. - Oh my gosh. - So the fridge eventually is guaranteed to like, break itself. It's like, who approved this product? - Have you guys seen those really old stoves or like those antique appliances that have like all of the extra little, like they literally have all the bells and whistles and it's like, it has like an area that you can lift open and it's like a griddle and then you can close it or has like a built-in crock pot and all these things. Like all these appliances used to be so clever and like really well made and you know, intended to last for a long time and now everything's just like, meant to disintegrate after three uses. It's really, it's quite depressing. - There is the hyper advancement of tech that we're experiencing in the last 30 or 40 years with micro processing and micro, what do they call it, like micro, whatever. They're making it smaller and smaller and smaller. So every three years you do get a big advancement but I think it's insidious that a corporation would intentionally sabotage their product to sell more of it. That, I mean, that is almost like a terrorist act on our economy if that's really happening. So I got big, big issues with that, with planned obsolescence. Maybe there's something I don't understand about the value of it. I don't know. - It totally ruins the quality of life. Like again, I keep talking about it but it's so true. It's like there's all these small ways that like, you know, your quality of life has been eroded. It's like, yeah, if you buy a shirt now, it's gonna be made out of plastic and some child made it in a third world country and after you wash it like two times, it's gonna like fall apart. That's like really annoying. Like you used to, you know, things used to be, if you purchase them, they would last a long time or more often like, especially for lower class people, they would just make their own clothing and like people just knew how to do that and it would last forever and it'd be like an heirloom and like that stuff like that, you know, it's just like, I don't wanna have to buy stuff that just doesn't work or it's gonna break or it smells bad or like it was, you know, like a child made it in like very questionable setting and it's like sucks. - The balance is like, if my socks get holes in them 100 years ago, someone, I would have stitched them up or someone would have stitched them up and I keep wearing them. Now I throw them out and buy a new pair 'cause it's cost $3 and like it's gonna take me an hour to stitch it up, which is $30 an hour. I mean, minimum, what at my time is worth and my life is weight, you know, so. - While these modern products may always let us down, plan to upslustance, et cetera, but you know what, never lets us down? It is our discord and we're gonna flip over switch gears here and we're gonna go to the discord. We're gonna turn to our discord for some questions to round out this wonderful Friday show here. - Let's take a look, we've got a first one. From Kevin Adel, and this is targeted to me. This is usually quite rare. Tate, do you still want Vivek to lose? I live in Ohio and don't think I could identify as a conservative telling people to vote for Democrats. That's pretty much as bad as the Lincoln project. Well, the problem is, you know, Vivek's not a conservative. I mean, he's not conserving anything. He can't even conserve an American identity himself. So he's definitely not going to conserve it at a state level, let alone national level. I think Vivek is such a problem that you can't run the risk of that sort of political behavior being permitted in the GOP because it's not going to just, it's not like Vivek is a one-off thing. Like if you allow Vivek to continue to progress in the GOP, continue to work your way up the ranks, you're going to get a million more people like him, striver, immigrant people that have no business. Being in the United States, let alone running for office. I mean, Vivek's an anchor, baby, you know, his parents were here illegally. Just has no business being in the United States. He has nothing in common with me in any meaningful way. And not just me, like anyone that's American, whether you're black, Hispanic, it's not a racial thing. It's just like this guy that's completely foreign in every way. And then the cherry on top, that's one thing. He's just incredibly disparaging towards Americans. He's crashed out on multiple occasions calling Americans. Lazy just clearly demonstrating as a disdain for the American people. So yeah, it sucks that that's our two options. But I'm not like a slave here. Like we do have some autonomy. And every once in a while, you do need to tell the GOP, no, this is completely unacceptable. And I personally feel like this is one of those instances. I've maintained this position, never Vivek. I'm not one of these people that's ran at about him in the past, but then all of a sudden, when the time comes around, they're like, okay, so I don't go vote for him. No, don't reward these people. He hates you. It's very abundantly clear. And no, I'm not a slave to the GOP. I love Trump. I'm a little to Trump. And that's it. I'm MAGA. GOP I'm not doing a get out the vote for Vivek. It's not gonna happen. The state senate and state house in Ohio is blood red. They will be able to neutralize act. And it's not like Virginia where Spanburgers coming in with a blue Congress that can rubber stamp everything. Act and will be isolated. And she's gonna be gone in four years. We can actually run a serious and actual conservative, an actual American, by the way, in four years and knock her out. If Vivek wins, you'll likely win the next election. He'll be around for eight years. And then we're gonna be having to deal with him for potentially VP or something. Well, that's the nice thing about like losing sometimes is that it has like a purging effect. You know, I'm kind of, I'm obviously would love for all of the best candidates to just be easily elected. But it's like there are just some growing pains that are necessary sometimes, like once Republicans inevitably lose the House and potentially even the Senate, you're going to be purging a lot of, like, kind of crappy Republicans. And then by the time it's actually politically viable for Republicans to win elections again, ideally, you would hope that the GOP would kind of learn from its mistakes and find candidates that are more suitable and that actually reflect public sentiment, at least within their own party, a little bit better. Now, I think you're -- it's kind of -- it's like a tough position to take, but I think it's bright. Like, I think it's just -- these are necessary growing pains sometimes. Yeah, I've caught a lot of flack for this take, but I'm just like at a certain point. I mean, I guess my position on Vivek is like, it's -- sorry, no, it's too big of an ask. It's a no for me. I can plug my nose on a lot of Republicans, and I'm willing to do that, but this is too big of an ask. Absolutely not. Well, why don't -- I like him. I liked that he was like critical of ESG, and he talked about how we could redirect our retirement for our investment funds through different indexes. He has his -- what's it called? Drive-ass. Drive-ass. Yeah, cool. He's got an option to, like, black rock. The people, like, kind of -- they view it as, like, a skin suit almost, like, critics look at Vivek, and they don't see authenticity. They say that they see someone who's very rehearsed and obviously intelligent, like, understands, you know, what politics are popular in the moment and what he kind of needs to say to convince people, but I think people are concerned with how genuine he's being, like, they -- I think people kind of perceive him as a little bit more opportunistic. He's a total Trojan horse. Yeah. And what I'm trying to do, the reason I'm being so aggressive on this point is because I'm trying to create room for other conservatives to feel comfortable saying no. Because I understand the moment we're in right now where you have a lot of people in conservative commentary who are saying, you know, "Trump's betrayed us," and, you know, we should just vote street blue. That's not at all what I'm saying. I live in Virginia, so my vote is as powerful as it would be in a swing state, but we have some pretty good Republicans in my district that I intend to vote for. So that is not -- I want to separate myself from that while creating room for actual conservatives to say, at the very least, the person on the ticket for the GOP should be an American. Secondarily, and by American, I mean, actually American, not a paperwork American, and then secondarily should actually be a conservative. I mean, the whole reason we're conservative is, like, we want to preserve, you know, Christian values. And, like, American traditions, he does neither. So he's not a Christian, and he doesn't really seem to be intending on preserving American tradition. So it's just -- it's a no. I'm sorry. It's a no for me. And if you disagree, that's fine. If you like Vivek, that's your prerogative. But I think a lot of people, and when I crash out on Vivek, I'm not going to blow up anyone's spot, but the few times I've come out and said, no, I think Vivek is poisonous to the GOP. The people in my likes would surprise you, to say the least. The people that are liking that tweet would surprise you. And I understand why they have to stay quiet. But I'm trying to create room here because this is a very popular sentiment, and just everyone's a little too afraid to come out and say it. And I understand why. I understand why, because we are in this moment of sort of max loyalty, tightened the ranks. But you've got to put your foot down. I understand you don't want to -- I don't want to glaze him. And I know him. I hung out with him a couple times. He's a nice guy. Yeah, sure. I'm not going to glaze him. He's a mega nerd. Like, he was a dude in school that was like, Uber nerdy would get massive good grades, just constantly working, thinking, like, nerdy. So he comes on the political stage and he's like, all right, how can I be a rock star? I got to do this. I got so he's playing that part. Where's the cowboy hat? Yeah, exactly. It's the larp. He's larping as an American. But it's like way better than a lot of stuff out there. Like, at least he's like a brilliant real guy that is like helping us economically. Because like, yeah, the culture where stuff's pretty and shiny, but the real issue is the meat and potato. It's the money. It's the economy. Even with the meat and potato stuff, like, we had a reporter at the Daily Caller News Foundation who traveled to Ohio and interviewed him for like 15 or 20 minutes or something like that. And pressed him about H1BVs specifically, because like you said, this is like the meat and potato issues. This is the heavy hitting economic and immigration policy that people really care about and then actually makes a really big difference. And he just like didn't want to address it. He was like tiptoeing around it. You can read on Daily Caller. But it's like, it's one of those things where it's like you, you can see there is a sensitivity there. But totally, it checks out with that like infamous, what was it like the Christmas? Christmas crash. The Christmas crash. It was a celebrate Christmas. We had a lot of free time. Yeah. And it's just like dude, like, there's just certain things on the important stuff even that like he just like doesn't really get it. With the Christmas crash, it was when he, it was a tweet. Did it? It was a variety of things. Yeah. He did it in text. He didn't speak. It was all in text. Is that the problem? Because with text, I think his tone was probably lost. No. I mean, the one thing. No, I think it was what he said. So the argument was, yeah. Is it an actual speech or was it all delivered through text? I can really find it real quick. I remember. Yeah. Just talking about it. Just gonna say the one I remember was he was like, dogging on American football, right? He's like, we need more than you. He watched too much. Yeah, he's like no more sleepovers. We need to be studying more. Yeah. Just completely. Like a nerd. Like we get it. Yeah. And it's not just a nerd thing. It indicates that he's like a striver. And this is like why a lot of Americans are concerned about Indian immigration and Chinese immigration. It's like, it's one thing that they can like excel economically. But if you don't get like what makes an American tick, I don't know what to tell you. Americans kind of saunter into greatness on complete accident in many ways. I mean, you know, there's multiple examples of great men who like, you know, I think it was. I think it was Armstrong. No, it's Buzz Aldrin, I believe. I think it was either Buzz Aldrin or Armstrong. And they want to say it was, I want to say it was Armstrong was, you know, at an offer to go to MIT, Harvard, Yale, and he chose to go to, I think it was Purdue because you like the football team. Yeah. That's kind of the essence of an American. Like I remember going to being in high school and the standardized testing and like, you know, I studied, I tried my best, but you had these like groups of like strivers who just wanted to game the system and work their way up the ranks as meticulously as possible. And it's just very foreign feeling and it's just not something I want the United States to become. And then additionally for Vivek, it's like, you also need to be conserving something. I'm sorry. It just has to be said. How is a guy whose name is, we can't even pronounce properly, apparently it's Vivek, not Vivek, who is Hindu, he's Hindu, which is completely foreign to the United States, gave his children very foreign. I mean, there's nothing that indicates he's assimilated besides his accent. Well, the whole, the conserving thing I get, but you don't always want to conserve the bad things. Like fat and lazy. This, this comes up a lot that Americans have become fat and lazy. The dudes, the, the, the trope of the guy whose 40 pounds overweight drinking beer on Sunday watching football for four hours, passing out in his chair. And like Vivek's trying to inspire people to become engineers and scientists. And like, that's exactly what we want. If we want to re-industrialize the homeland. So I don't understand where well, because there is like also the quote that I have here now from the post, the infamous post that like really ticked people off for the little segment I suppose. He says our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long. At least since the 90s and likely longer, that doesn't start in college. It starts young. A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math Olympiad champ or the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the best engineers. There, it goes on, but like the, the hang up here obviously is that the objective of being an American is not to just have a country of a bunch of really good engineers. Right. But there are qualities that you might, that Vivek is like speaking about poorly things like you know, prom queen or you know, doing football that like he's kind of being kind of sending about. But there are qualities in both of those, you know, pastimes that even though it's kind of superficial at a level like high school, but like in the long term, there are positive qualities you'd want and just people in the country like there is an excellence to achieve in sports. You know what I mean? Like a boneheaded, like loser fat American activity and it's, it's like, it's also quintessentially American. Like he is talking about it in a very condescending way that just misunderstands fundamentally what the American objective is. It's not just like a GDP, you know, it's, it's like a people, it's a culture and not everyone's just going to want to like pursue STEM and work in a cubicle. That's just not what the country is. Football thing is important because it's training us to be military men. Like it makes them work. So there are virtues and things like football that are, you know, kind of scoffed at by people like the things. Yeah, it's super important to uphold athletes because they are like our domestic military men. And, and the prom queen, like female beauty can make the rest of the world become obsessed with us because we have the most beautiful women here. Like that can be a thing. You use a virtue. Like why are we pretending like it's some lame superficial like quality to. Yeah. Well, if we cultivated, but the keep elevating Vivek up the chain, we're going to get more homework and more study groups and stuff, which the problem with football isn't to don't denigrate the athletes, but I'm okay denigrating the fans that are getting drunk and blazing out, just blowing their mind watching everything though, like you could argue that with some of like, I mean, maybe it's not the same kind of degeneracy, but like there's just, it gets to a point with with anything where it's like you can do it the wrong way. But it doesn't like you said it doesn't denigrate like the actual value and like the athletes or even like a lot of the fans who just like have a hobby. It's like we're not a lot of have hobbies anymore, we're not a lot of have past times because you're not, you're not like maximizing your time to become the best engineer and it's like I just enjoy my afternoon. I call it the privilege of plenty where there's always going to be enough examples for you to choose from to pick the bad one to go look at things bad because I'm pointing at the bad example. But yeah, the wisdom in what he's saying that you could extract is like, oh yeah, there is a certain sense in which yeah, we do want to make sure our citizens are pursuing excellence. At the same time, we want to acknowledge that our value as Americans isn't only based on like what you contribute to the economy and what your job is like our leisure time matters to and I just I think it's really important. important that we continue to have this debate because it's not going away about what is American identity. What does it mean to be an American? And that's something we're trying to think through too from the corporate perspective. So actually last week we just launched at 1792Exchange.com, the American company project. So people can go on the website and nominate a company that they think that affiliates with, and there's a good example of American values. So the three criteria that we've given for that is civic identity, like do the companies that are here actually take pride in our country and in our history, constitutional stewardship, are they making sure that they're protecting lawful speech and then economic patriotism, right? It's like, are you really using H1Bs and all these other things to bring in skilled workers you can't find, or are you looking for an excuse to outsource things because of labor costs? But I just think that this conversation, it really isn't going away anytime soon, and so people should continue to have it, they also need to talk about it from the perspective of corporations, too, because corporations are so fundamental to American society, and we need to think about what does it mean to be here? It's not simply having your headquarters here, having the U.S. on some, listen on some form. The corporate behavior also influences our self-perception. - Yeah, well said, I completely agree. There has to be more to stay here than just paperwork. From a surge X, it looks like this questions for Rebecca. When you're not doing politics, do you knit your own sweaters because the new one's shrink and they're not as good as they used to be? - This sweater I'm wearing, I knit. This is the first ever sweater I knit, so that's actually, I'm so glad I wore it today because it was a labor of love, it was not easy, but it was so fun, and the delay at a gratification in hobbies like knitting, I mean, it's cool to be a grandma now. I keep telling my friends, I'm like, do you wanna go out or do you wanna stay at home and learn a skill? All my roommates, I've totally grandma-pilled all of them. One of them makes bread, the other one has also been baking. I'm running a domestic household, it's a tight operation in our apartment, but it's actually unironically, it's a fulfilling pastime, and so I do knit a lot of my clothes, a lot of my sweaters. I also buy a lot of old vintage things, just 'cause they last forever. I bet your jacket's vintage, 'cause it looks good. I got on Amazon, I don't know, it feels great. It could have been the way else. It's a slightly poor design though. I have two of them, I have a black one also, the Tor ripped, it's leather and it ripped, 'cause the- Well maybe you need to buy a vintage one then, 'cause I don't know if those will rip as easily. Yes, to answer the question. It's done belt. Oh yeah, black thing. Oh my gosh. Right. Sure, sure. I don't know what the belt, when they snap it. Dad will come out and be like, "Boys." "Ah, but he would never hit us with it, but he would make the noise." Startled, he would say that too. Yeah, crack the whip, crack the whip and he'd do it, and we'd be like, "Ah." And that's the American culture we need to preserve. I have so true. Why are we trying to get rid of it? You're late for football practice. Yeah, you're not. You weren't prom queen yet. Yeah, I'm so true. How long did it take you to knit it? This one took me like three weeks, but I'm like busy at work, you know? I mean, how many hours a day do you put in? Honestly, if I'm really hyped up with a project, I can fly through it in like a week and a half, so I'll just go home after work and knit for like six hours, it's awesome. I should probably switch it up a little bit, but I've really been enjoying it. You're right about the delayed gratification thing because I'm coding. I'm developing software and it's the same thing. It takes like 19 days and it's like every day, 14 hours a day, 10 hours a day. And you'll make a mistake and you'll have to figure out like what went wrong. You have to try and fix it and it can be actually incredibly frustrating. It's not as relaxing as maybe it might seem, but like it's very rewarding, which is what matters. Well, with that, we got to wind this show down a little over time. I don't consider it over time. It's Friday, so this is just a few extra minutes we get to hang out. But thank you guys very much for watching. Dessie, thank you so much. Yeah, thanks so much for having me. We're, what's your coordinates? Where can people find you? Yeah, people can find me on Twitter at Dustin DeVito. That's primarily where I post and then they can go to our website 1792exchange.com. All of our resources and research is free there. I love it, dude. Well, thank you so much. Come back soon. Yeah, it's been pleasure. Rebecca. You can find me on X Instagram, YouTube everywhere out there. It's Rebecca Zalco. It's called R-E-B-E-K-A-Z-E-L-J-K-O. That's such a Croatian. It's extremely Croatian. Croatian. That's all those Ks. Correct. Hey, Ian Crosslin in the house, call me. Hit me up. Don't, you can call me. I probably won't answer. Follow me on YouTube, Twitter, and Instagram, really. X and Instagram. That's all I got. Ian Crosslin. See you later. Carter Banks. What's up, everyone? Carter Banks. Thanks. At Carter Banks official on Instagram, also Carter Banks on YouTube. Follow the label at Trash House Records on YouTube as well. Got some stuff coming up, but yeah, it's been a Friday. It's been fun conversation. I also wouldn't vote for Vivek, but-- Yeah. Tate. We're creating a movement. It's like Republicans that are comfortable saying no. That's good. No, it's good. No, I'm not a Republican. Maybe that's why. That could be what it is. I think that's, you know, it is what it is. What is it for the best? It happens. Well, with that, guys. And I love the state of Ohio, by the way. It's my home state. It's a great state. I want nothing. I'm not saying this to like that's political pond. It's like legit. I'm only one of the best states. I think Cleveland is a sleeper. It could be-- I don't even want to talk about the cities that you should visit. Go to Peninsula. Check it out. Peninsula, Ohio. It's all-- Oh, dude. Cedar Point. That's in Sandusky. Unbelievable. It's my favorite place. My hometown, Kyahoga Falls. Okay. I unleashed the hidden gem. If you want to know what Middle America is and what it has always been since the '50s, go to Kyahoga Falls, Ohio. It's amazing. It's right by the river, the Kyahoga River. I love it. Well, go follow Ian Crossell and ask him for more Ohio travel advice. With that, thank you very much for watching. Have a great weekend. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Real Tate Brown. And we'll catch you guys on Monday. See you later. Thank you very much for watching. [MUSIC PLAYING]