Madelaine Petsch: From Riverdale to Scream Queen

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny, But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey, guys. Welcome to a new episode of Not Skinny, But Not Fat. It's your host, Amanda. Hope everyone's having a lovely Tuesday, if you're listening on a Tuesday. And if not, then I hope you're just having a great day, whatever day it is. I am super excited about today's guest because, you know, when there's a culty show, everyone knows about it, you know, by osmosis, by social media, by, you know, they become celebrities. The actress become celebrities and huge within the show. But I was actually, part of this culty show, okay? I was watching it in real time when it was still on the CW network, which, what's happening on the CW network? We need to find out. We need to fact check what's happening there because it just means a lot to me. The show, I was obsessed with it. I did convey to my guests that I may have fallen off the show at some point when it became a little bit cray-cray, which I feel like all of the actors spoke about. So if you watched Riverdale, then you know her. Madelaine Hetch is here. It's Madelaine, okay? Don't get it twisted. We talk about, you know, why it's Madelaine, which is an interesting little fact in and of itself. But she's just great. She's beautiful. She's talented. She's working on a lot of different stuff. She's actually going to be in American Horror Story, which is coming out on September 24th, which, by the way, a little nugget for you guys, which I didn't share with her because I didn't want to be like, let me do, but I auditioned. You guys, I auditioned for American Horror Story. Yeah, I got a, like a audition for it, which I don't even do that, but they reached out to me about it, about doing some small little thing. And I was like, oh my God. And then I had to send it a tape. And it's one of those things that I don't regret, but there are things in life where they're so left field for me that I'm like, okay, I'm just going to do it. You know, I'm going to vomit it up and send it in. And if it's meant to be, it'll be. And if it isn't meant to be, then won't happen. I do wish I'd put a little bit more effort. I didn't even, you have to film and do self tapes. Like, like I'm a clear background. I don't have a clear background in my fricking house. Okay. So like there were things in the background. I think a crib was in the background. I, I did a few takes, but like, definitely not, didn't try to like nail it. Also American Horror Story is so crazy that what I had to say was so like, not part of my life. That I think like for maybe my first acting job, it should be more, I would be better at something more like relevant to my actual life and not jump into, you know, whatever this season is about that I cannot divulge. But yeah, it was, I don't think I did my best job. So I'm not surprised that I didn't end up getting it, but it would have been cool. And I just feel like that's a little tidbit that I auditioned for American Horror Story. Wouldn't have that been cool. But Madelaine Petsch is an American Horror Story. You could watch that on September 24th and she is here. So enjoy our conversation. Madelaine. Yeah. Which like, I'm so proud, like, I I'm sure people have butchered your name before. I don't care anymore. You don't? No. I don't even, I don't even crack people. I saw, I think there was actually a video from Fashion Week that I saw them not say correctly. Like yesterday. Correct. That's crazy. Yeah. Maybe you probably didn't even pay attention. No. It's like, as long as I hear an M, like a Matt, I'm usually assuming it's me. Here I am. I'm so excited you're here. Are we beginning? Yeah. We started? Well, now we are. Okay. Copy. Rolling. Nobody says anything here. No, she has podcast. Well, what do you want? It to be like a movie set? I don't know. I thought it was a slate. I don't, yeah. I mean, that's what I'm used to. Okay. So we're starting. Action. Right now. And we're chill. We're good vibes. Cool. We're positive. Love. I'm excited you're here because I'm sure a lot of people you talk to are like Riverdale, blah, blah, blah. But I actually like was a Riverdale fan. Oh, do you get what I mean? Yeah. Like, so I was like part of this world, not just to like know about it because everyone knows about it. But you know what I was thinking today about it? Because you guys are got so huge, all of you and like you're following and everything. Was Instagram crazy then? I feel like that was like the peak of Instagram, like the height of Instagram for us. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it was like a good social media time to like. For sure. Be okay. Yeah. I couldn't be. Like it couldn't have been more perfect timing. Like it was like Instagram had just gotten really big and the show came out and I kind of felt like this perfect storm of everything working together. I know. I wonder if today, you know what I mean? I wonder. I just wonder what happens like at different times. Well, they don't even do those 22 episode seasons anymore. It's so I think it's harder to get invested in television because we're not we're like believing the audience has a shorter attention span. Therefore, we're making shorter shows for that. But I think if we made longer shows, people would be more invested. And we're really came out. All the time. And it was once a week. Yeah. That's another thing. What do you think about binging versus making the audience kind of wait for new episodes? Well, ironically, Riverdale was out for a whole year on CW and like we felt like we lived under a rock. We were like, does anybody watch this show? And then it went on Netflix. And I remember we were all in an airplane flying somewhere together and we were on this flight overnight. Maybe Mexico City. I'm not sure where we all were. And we got off the flight. We were like, wait, you guys gain millions of followers while you were on that flight. Stop. Like the night it went on Netflix. So you I do kind of see the binging does create that investment. But I think we had no time between seasons. You know, things were coming out so quickly that people could get invested and binge at the same time. And also, we made so many episodes that these people are spending 22 hours of their life every year with us. It's a lot of time. So I'm proud to say I was a CW girl. No, I didn't wait for Netflix. I didn't even know it was on Netflix. Still, it's still on Netflix. Yeah. I think people think it's a Netflix show. Yeah. Let's give some credit where credit is due. CW original. I miss it. Wait, it doesn't exist anymore. I think there's a version of it, but it's not the same thing anymore. You know who's kind of CWE right now? Who? Amazon Prime. Kind of agree. Yeah. Yeah. They're really slaying. Serling Point is so good. I'm obsessed with Megan Park. Yeah. She's all my everything she does. I think it's really lovely to see because she was on Secret Life of the American Teenager. And she was, you know, a young actor. And it's really nice to see somebody who's been in the shoes of the young actors who are making the show now. Who are writing dialogue that people would actually say. And everyone. And it's a young woman's voice. And that's why it's resonating. She's incredible. My old ass was so good. My old ass. I watched that too. I became obsessed with that Maisie Stella. Yes. And she also casts her shows. She takes time. She doesn't rush things. I'm such a big fan. And casting your shows with actors that are, which I guess happened in Riverdale too, which aren't known at the time coming in with. Well, I watched Ella Rubin and Until Dawn, to be fair. Okay. Who's the lead of Sterling Point. No, I know she's the lead. So what's Until Dawn? It's like a video game horror film. I love horror. So I watched her and I was like, she's going to be a star. Like it was so clear. It was so clear. Did you reach out to her? I showed up maybe, but I didn't know. I thought she was incredible in that. She's busy. She works all the time. I know. But it, but don't you think that it would be nice to like get a DM from someone that you know in the industry? Like you're so great at watching your shit. You do? Yeah. Actually, it's so crazy. This girl, Sadie Stanley, who ended up playing Kim Possible. What is her name? Because we did a movie called Pretty Babies together. And it was this really full circle moment when she booked Kim Possible. I had only seen people being like, it shouldn't be her. It should be Madeline. And I was like, this is horrible. This is a young girl. I think she was maybe 18 or under 18 at the time. It was her first big thing. I was like, this is not, people are not kind. Like there was no world in which I was playing Kim Possible. I was like 27. Like, no. So I DM'd her and I was like, hey, I'm really excited for Kim Possible for you. This is so exciting. Like, congratulations. You're incredible. You're going to be so good at it, whatever. And five years later, we did a movie together. That's crazy. Did she answer your DM then? Yeah, she did. She's like, oh my God, I can't believe you're saying that's so sweet. I have to, I don't have to look back now. But yeah, it was a really sweet exchange. That is. And that happens so much in your industry too. And I feel like even more now we're like normal people kind of feel like they know the inside baseball of the industry. You know, things come out about like actors being dropped from movies or so-and-so not getting it or so-and-so being replaced or, you know. You know how many rumors I've read of movies I'm in that I've never even talked to anybody about? Well, that was something I've, I've manifest destiny that like, I'm like. Like the Poison Ivy fan casting. I started that. I started that. I was like, I am the head of the fan. This is my camera. I am the head of the fan casting for Poison Ivy. Everybody knows I want to do it. Who knows if Matt Reeves is even listening to me. But there are like, I remember I read something about Spider-Man like a year ago, like Madeline's been cast as, as whatever in Spider-Man. And I was like, oh, cool. Like, is someone going to let me know? Like it happens all the time. Do you ever buy into it when it's not you starting it? Oh, like, okay. Like, do you ever like see a fan cast? Oh, for myself? Right. Like a fan cast. A fan casting. And you're like, oh. Oh, like when I like it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely been moments where I've texted my team and been like, are they making this? Like, what's up with it? Yeah. But they're, they're typically wrong. I'm going to be honest. Like, it's not usually, like rumored is like not usually a thing. At least in my experience. It's like the redhead also. Yeah. I like when they cast like real redheads. I think that's nice. Cause it's like so rare that like my hair color is embraced in cinema. Like oftentimes I'm like, oh, I can, I'll wear a wig. I would never dye my hair, but I'll wear a wig or whatever. You would never dye your hair for a role? I mean, well, never said. Never. Depends on the role. Right. But currently I stand on a no because wigs are incredible. Like you can, why would I need to? Have you worn wigs? in movies before? I have not, but I want to. I'm ready to do it. But I feel like we're also so hyper aware of wigs now. Like, don't you feel like with shows too? sometimes you don't know. Right, sometimes, so they need to not know. Right. Well, of course. Or it's distracting. Well, unfortunately people will know when they look at me and they know my redhead. So people will know. Right. And I'm also like, guys, you really want me to, I would shave my head for the right role, to be clear. Yeah, yeah. I'm not like precious about my hair, but I'm like, it has to be the right thing. It has to make sense. Do you have to upkeep the redness in any way? No. Okay. No. Just like, yeah, mom and I are the same color and brother. Really? Yeah, all three of us. My dad, no, but my whole family is redheads. Oh my God, I love that. Yeah. Did you ever like have, because I can't even like remember a time where it wasn't cool because now people would like want freckles when I was a kid. When you were a kid, it wasn't. Horrible, horrible. Really? Yeah. Like what kind of stuff? They would like throw stones at my brother at school because he was a redhead. Yeah, it was, I mean, it was less bad for me, but it was really bad for him and throw stones. Yeah. You grew up in Washington, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I think that I learned as a child, my parents are South African. I was not raised with religion. I was raised plant based and I had red hair. I couldn't have been like more of a like, I didn't belong anywhere. Yeah. And I think I learned very early that people are afraid of what they don't know, what they don't understand, what's different from what they're used to. So I, you know, had to accept that very quickly, obviously. And now the things are embraced. And it's like, you know what? Thank you, universe. Like I, it's, that's nice. Now people are dyeing their hair to look like yours. Yeah, and it looks great. So you're vegan since you were infantilized. Is that the word? I was inside of her tummy as an infant. So your parents are vegan. Yeah. And then you were born and you start doing the tastings and it's all, all when you give the baby the first foods, like the avocado. Actually, they tried to give me, my mom couldn't breastfeed. They tried to give me regular formula and I projectile vomited. Okay. Like when I was a baby. So they're like, okay, we're going to not do dairy with her either. They were vegetarian. And then they had me and I projectile vomited dairy. So they were like, it was a sign. It was a sign. Like, let's just go vegan. So you've never in your life tasted meat? Never. Actually, no, that's not true. When I was 12, we were in South Africa and they, you know, like samosas. Yeah. My parents had gotten a bunch for my brother and I and they'd gone into ground beef and I screamed so loud my dad could hear me from inside the strip mall and he came out and I was like so upset because when you're raised like not to have something you think it's like bad to have it. Right, right, right. And I was so young. Maybe I was nine or eight. Was it a samosa from the strip mall? Probably. And I was just screaming in the car. So I didn't, I didn't like actually taste it. I think it just like fell out of my mouth. I was so horrified. I saw some, one of the interviews you did with like your whole cast from Riverdale and it was questions about you and it was like, what does she eat? And they were like, nothing. They said that. Something like that, yeah. Oh, nasty. Or like leaves or like whatever. I eat a lot of veggies. Yeah, for sure. I eat a lot of Madison Park. Have you been? I saw you mentioned that too and I was like, my first thought was, and I'm a New Yorker and I haven't been. Like, what does that mean about me? It's a really special experience though too because they make It's $1,100. It's expensive. Is it? First of all, I'm making that up because of 11. But isn't it like, is it a set price or is there Yeah, per person. Okay, so it's not like a per, like you go for like the whole, they curate it. It's such an experience though. Like it's obviously not, you know, affordable by any means, but it's like one of those things where I don't go out to eat in LA because there's no vegan restaurants there anymore. It's so bizarre. Wait, what about Gracias Madre? Yeah. Yeah, it's good. It's not as good as it was. I kind of agree. It was good. This is such a niche conversation for your listeners, by the way. Like they've probably never been to Gracias Madre. First of all, why not? I don't know. Well, maybe you have. And if you haven't, you should go. But it's like one restaurant in LA. Do you know what I mean? But like I'm kind of, what's your feeling about LA currently? You live, you live there. Okay, you love. I love, I think there's no part of me that doesn't think that I belong there. Like I have a great community there. I love my space. But the food seems like really for, I mean, for a vegan, it's like there's, it's all gone. So you cook? No. So what do you do? I just kind of like eat for sustenance, which is really, that's why when I come here, I'm like, oh, this is such a nice experience. Like you're not a foodie. You eat, you eat to live. I can choose to turn off being a foodie. You eat to live, not live to eat. Yeah. Which is sad. It's sad. I do love snacking though, which is a problem. Like almonds. No, no. Okay. How dare I make like little vegan snack plates. Everything that you have, everything you have as a meat eater, I have as a vegan. I just have a vegan version. Everything. The cheeses. Yeah, cheeses are good. They have vegan meat. It's not like I really like reach for that. Are you getting your protein intake? I look pretty healthy, don't you think? You look amazing, but you know the protein trend, like now protein is like a thing. It's like we need a thousand one hundred grams of it. Everything's a thousand one hundred today. Oh my God. Yeah, of course. I'm eating my protein. Of course I am. Okay, good. Well, I'm glad we settled that. You're eating your protein. Everyone, don't worry. Don't worry. She's getting her protein. I keep looking right down the lens. I love it. I love that you're doing the office. Yeah. Your birthday was not too long ago. Oh, yeah. How did you celebrate? You're a Leo. I'm a Leo. I'm a Leo with a Scorpio rising, which is like really spooky. I actually used to not tell people my rising. I was like very like, this is embarrassing. Because then people would be like, ooh, when's your tail going to come out? Yeah, and I'm like, wait and find out. Don't threaten me with a good time. No, but you do give Leo. Like Leo, I clearly see. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I'm proud to say I'm a Leo. I love Leo's Gemini. Spooky. Wait, why? Do you have two personalities? What's up? Actually, Leo's and Gemini's are good. My dad's a Gemini. And you get along. I know them all. I know them all too well. Well, a male Gemini is kind of like, could be a little cray-cray. A little kooky. Yeah. Yes. Well, I want to go back to your hippie parents. You call them hippie parents, by the way. Yeah, I think that they're self-proclaimed on that. Okay, self-proclaimed. What was it like growing up like that? I mean, at the time, I think you never really appreciate your experiences as you have them when you're a kid. But my dad has like greenhouses in the backyard because it's Washington. So there's so much, you know, space. And he grew, I think every salad I had as a kid, my dad grew. Like, it was such a, now looking back, I'm so jealous because everything we have is genetically modified and touched with so many pesticides. And it's like, my dad would walk outside and grab lettuce and wash it. Not well, my dad. There was always dirt in my salad, which was so disgusting. And then we'd eat. And I think that's such a special thing. Such a dream. Like, imagine you could go now, be like, I want an apple. As an adult now, I'm like, man, like they grew apples. They grew cherries. They grew pears. Like, he's such a green thumb guy. I would have, I would love that now. I'd appreciate it so much more now. Are they still growing? Yeah. Oh, okay. So you could stock up when you go. I should just bring all my produce back with me. Like you went to the farmer's market. That's really cute. He would love that. Wait, so how did you celebrate your birthday? Oh, at Dave & Buster's. I had a bunch of my friends over at Dave & Buster's in Los Angeles. Do you have that here? We have at. Dave & Buster's? No, yeah, we do. A version. In Times Square. I think I was there for a five-year-old's birthday party, actually, recently. I'm really trying to get back into, like, my playful child side. Wait, did you rent out the space? Okay, that's fun. It was really fun. Did you use the party room? I'm like, oh my God, imagine. That's the only room I use. So I rented the whole space out. It was really fun. Yeah, so tell me about it. Like, how many people? Was it like a big. I think it was like 45. Was that big? I don't know. That's kind of like everybody I know. Everybody I'd want to be in a room. Yeah. Yeah, it was a really great group of people. So fun. I'd never been to Dave & Buster's. It was kind of a wild card for me to just be like, let's book this. And it was just a random idea you had? Yeah, I was like, I think, well, I like having an activity for a birthday party. Oh, you don't want just like a dinner? Like, I don't want to force people to have conversations they don't want to have. So it was kind of great. I let people bring whoever they wanted. They could play whatever games they wanted. They got little free game cards and it's like romped around. Yeah. We were all just like, ah, hey, I love you. It was great. That is fun. Yeah. Did you get any good gifts? Yeah. I did. Okay. Moving on. Moving on. 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I know they it's really beautiful. Do your parents have it? Yeah. Oh, they're both born from South Africa. Yeah. Oh, you did do like a cute little tick tock when you call your mom, right? Yeah. And she says every time I call her, I wish I had my phone. I'd do it right now. She goes, Hello, my darling. Every time I have her, I wrote she wrote my darling down and I got that. Oh, is that your new tattoo? That's an old tattoo. I got divine. Oh, my divine. Can you tell me like why? Yeah. Divine alignment and very spiritual. And I spend a lot of time with my healer. I sound L.A. Yeah. Saying it out loud. I'm like, oh, no, but tell me what it was your healer do. You know, it's really I think it's really difficult when you live in a place like L.A. I imagine for New York, too. I'm not sure. I've never lived here. But to stay like true to who you are and to stay aligned and stay like both feet in the ground. I think there's a lot of even like in the people that I surround myself with. It's hard to not get caught up in the like. The way you feel about yourself aesthetically or like the values that you have, like changing over time. And so I think having somebody who lives in Colorado and I go stay with her in Colorado for like, you know, three or four times a year and we just sit and we talk and we talk and we talk. And I think having somebody that can really ground you like that and root you in like what really matters to you and like get to the get past all of the bullshit and get to the like what matters to the soul inside of that body more than anything else. And like to me, it's divine alignment, like knowing when something's fully aligned with me and like learning how to understand that. And I don't think I'm perfect at it. I think that's going to be a lifelong lesson. But even reading a script, it's like being able to delineate between is this good for my career or is it something that I genuinely feel I can't live without playing and like having that alignment throughout my career? I'm really working. Both have to. You want to check both the boxes? No. OK. Divine alignment. I want to feel aligned with what I'm doing. I don't. Good for my career is not a good enough reason to make a movie unless like I need money, which that can sometimes happen as an actor. But I really want to. I want to operate from a place of like, does this feel truly aligned to me, even in my personal choices, like everything I do, like trying to live from a place of alignment? It's not easy. I mean, there's obviously like external forces at work, but I think that's so you you talking about like L.A. in that way is so true. It's really hard. You can get caught up in that world, get caught up in like what matches everyone drinking today. Like, let's all go to community goods. Like it's just so the name dropping in L.A. is crazy. I don't I don't. I mean, I'm sure you don't. And also the gossip culture. Like, especially when you're an artist, like there's a lot of gossip culture just within like artist groups. It's like, oh, you know, this person like, what's this like? And it's like, shut up. Like if they wanted you to know, you would know, like becoming obsessed with other people's like lives is so toxic. Like you're obsessed with your own life. And I think the alignment stuff I really connect to because I even just had a situation where like everyone I worked with was like, don't don't do this. And I literally had to like just listen to me. You have to. It's so hard because then fear gets in the way. Of course. And fear also lives in your gut. Yeah. And it's hard to like figure out, like, is this fear or is this instinct? Right. Yeah. And try not to operate from a place of fear as really as an anxiety ridden girl, as we talked about before. Same girl. Same. It's tough. It's hard. So navigating that. So this is a reminder of divine alignment. Yeah. Divine timing, trusting timing, knowing everything that's meant for you will come. What is your anxiety like? Is it more like you spin or is it like physical? It's body anxiety. Me too. Body anxiety. I mean, after we leave here, I will for sure my best friend, Andy's in the other room and I'll be like, what did I say? Tell me everything I said. They should probably taking notes right now. I get really I get really anxious about just like is it sharing? Does it manifest physically to or just like, yeah, yeah, it's vulnerable. How do you like manage it? It gets it's honestly has gotten better over time with the more time I spend away from this stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like just not thinking about it and like not making this like not having my values live in things like this. No, no. - Which she loves, which she absolutely is enjoying. - I do love press. I love talking about my work. I love that, you know, people care. I think that's wonderful, but it's like making sure my values don't align with like how many views this gets or what people have to say in the comment. Like that's where the values I think can totally get really tough. It's funny. Like when you think people forget there's like a person in here. Totally there. Yeah. It's like when you see stuff online or whatever, and it's like you can be on your phone and be like, this is all that matters. And then you turn off your phone or put it aside and you're with your family or friends and you're like outside and you're like, there's so many things that are so much greater than me. And and like it doesn't matter if it's not even on. Like I have all this real stuff in front of me. Yeah. So wait. So part of the hippie thing I saw that your dad wanted to name you Street. Yeah. Literally. Yeah. Yes. They actually call me Lane for that reason. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wait. You think you would watch Riverdale and say who plays Cheryl Blossom Street Patch? No. That's crazy. No, but I wait. So they did Lane because they wanted some. My mom was getting my dad like, oh, she's like, OK, fine. Like Lane, Lane, Madeline, Lane on the road. Street. Why are they obsessed with roads? They're not. I feel like they need a compromise. Mom's like, we need some sort of pavement. My mom named my brother and he's older than me. Yeah. And she named him my dad's middle name, which I thought was like sweet. Obviously, he's gonna like that. My mom said, you can name our daughter or whatever we have next. And she made that agreement long before she really thought about my dad. And then my dad was like Street. And she was like, no. Oh, she was trying to like be like, I'm I'm like compromising. Maybe I'm growing the whole baby and you like, you know, it's all up to me. I should be able to do everything. But it's yours, too. Like you can feel included. And that's a sign not to compromise, ladies. Thank you. That's all you need to know. OK, so, yeah. So Street Patch, I mean, not that it's not cool. Look, but think about as a kid, like, oh, I was walking in the street last night. Like, it's just like people would just be mean, like more mean. Yeah. It's like, why would you want to put your kid through that? I was supposed to be named Brittany, which isn't more or less exciting than Amanda. There's no story there. OK, so you go to high school and then do we're doing like, oh, you were started theater when you were like, what, five, five years old? I think I was like seven, seven. I started dancing when I was like four. And it came from like your just. Want to be in the spotlight, really silly thing. Were you that kind of kid, like home movies, singing, dancing? Yeah. I was like, guys, guys, I have another play for you. And I was making it up on the spot. Yeah. Pay attention to me. Yeah. Yeah. Also, the younger child syndrome is like a real thing. So they signed you up for or like community theater, dance classes, anything that would get me out of the house, basically artistic in any way, shape or form. And then did you have like a plan when you were in high school? Like when I finished high school, I'm going to go. I told my parents when I was like twelve. Like, I want you to prepare that I will be moving to L.A. when I'm an adult. And they're like, OK. And they're not they don't know that that's like an impossible dream to have. You know, they're not from America. So they were like, OK, yeah, great. Sounds good. And by the way, thank God they were like naive enough and delusional enough. My daughter will make it because otherwise, I feel like so many American parents that were around my parents were like, can't believe you're letting her move to L.A. Like, you're going to let her, like, take her life. Right. I'm like, oh, and you're saying, like, because they weren't that like they had, you know, they didn't have, you know, their head in. They didn't even know, like film and TV like that just wasn't their thing. So they were like, yeah, sure. Why not? I don't see why not. So I wonder how you got into it if like it wasn't around at home so much. I mean, I loved TV and film. And so I was at a young age. I was kind of gravitating towards that, but it just wasn't their thing. So like 18, you moved to L.A. by yourself with my childhood best friend. That's so crazy. I was crazy that her parents let her do it, too, because she was just like, I just want to go. She's like, no reason. Just along for the ride. Yeah. So what? You rent a place. And yeah, I mean, I'm lucky enough that my parents helped me, you know, a little as much as they could. But I worked three jobs when I moved to L.A. I just like worked with jobs from Craigslist. It's crazy now because it's like when you're young, you really think that you're invincible, like nothing bad is going to happen to me. And I remember I like I applied to a job to be like a personal home assistant for a couple like stuff that was like kind of stupid looking back. I'm like, how did I survive these experiences? Yeah. And come out like, you know, fairly unscathed. What was the plan, though? I'm going I'm going to find an agent. I had an agent and a manager already. How do you get how do you find that? I did this thing called iPop, which I I'm not sure if that's even still a thing, but it's called the International Presentation of Performers. And so you like you go and you basically perform for agents and managers. And then I got signed when I was 16. Oh, OK. Yeah. And so then I stayed and I stayed in America. I'm sorry. And Washington state when my parents made me finish high school before moving to L.A. But they let me come here. I went to an arts high school. So let me come here during pilot season. Every year as part of my credit. Oh, wow. Yeah. Which was really great. And pilot season was a thing, guys. You miss it. I mean, I don't. But it makes me sad that actors aren't having those experiences now. Why did it stop being a thing? Was it a covid? I think it's a streaming thing because streamers put out TV shows year round. There used to be like a certain TV season. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come out in September. They do pilots in January. They get picked up in May. They go to, you know, series in June and then they go on on, you know, either a midseason release, which is January or a season release, which is September. Now shows come out year round. When you say it was experience, I'm picturing it like a convention where you just like go into different rooms. Oh, what I did? No, like what pilot season it is. It's not like that all over L.A. OK, so it's just everywhere happening at the same time. Yeah, it's just in January. It was such a it's weird. It did kind of end right when Riverdale started, I think. But it was such an experience. Wait, did you get Riverdale from pilot season? I must have because it shot in the normal like windows. OK, although. Riverdale was one of those like unique experiences where they took like eight months to cast where they actually like made sure they got the people that were perfect for the job. Now it kind of sometimes feels like you're just getting thrown into a cattle call when you watch stuff and there's just not as much time. But I must have been pilot season, but I'm pretty sure I tested for Riverdale in September, which wouldn't make any sense. Two thousand and like six. Fifteen. No, that's really spooky. Hey, that's really that is that is the spookiest thing. Yeah. It does not feel like I mean, I love it. Don't get me wrong, but when people are like, I grew up watching you, I'm like, so you're you're grown up now. OK. You're like, I was grown up then, I guess. I guess. So I'm like really grown up now. We so I keep asking myself, like, when am I going to feel like a grown up? It's kind of sad to say never, but like, maybe that's a good thing. It is a good thing. Yeah. I'm a mom and I have this thing that's like you can be a mom and still be a dumb bitch because like you can, you know, because people think you become a mom and like you're not like, the dumb bitch you were. But that's exactly what I mean by that. Yeah. Like you could still love the shit. Yeah, of course. You could still be silly little yelp. Yeah. So you get Riverdale by the timeline that we're talking about. It sounds like not that long after you move. No. So I moved December 2012 and I had I had been pinned for Riverdale in September of 2015 for a character I didn't know existed. Like I knew no information about her. I actually was reading for a different show and David, the cast director of that show, who also did Riverdale, was like, you're kind of perfect for a pilot I'm doing. I'm going to send you sides for Betty. This is not the character I'm talking about, but you have to come in and read Betty like you're like the most villainous bitch on planet Earth. And so I did. But I didn't know anything about Cheryl. Well, that's so funny. So you read for Lily's character who's like girl next door, but in Cheryl tone that you didn't know because they had to. That's crazy. They couldn't do the sides yet for Cheryl, which is like the audition scenes basically. But why? Because they hadn't started working on that character yet. I was one of the first people they saw because they saw me for a different show. And then he was like and then they pinned me, which is like actor holds like you're basically being told like we're going to get to you and like you're maybe going to get the part. I didn't know how many people were pinned other than me. It was just me. I found out later and then I came back and when they were ready to revisit Cheryl once they'd found Lily and they'd found I think Cole at that point, they started auditioning me. That's Cheryl. So this I feel like this did this teach you like go to every audition because you know, I still learn that lesson, by the way, if someone sees you that you're good for something else. Yeah. I mean, when I do tape, like sometimes I'm like, I don't know. I don't I don't I don't see a version of this where it's like for me. And then I send it and then I get a call. It's like, actually, you were right. That wasn't for you. But we're doing this other project that that is for you. And so I think it's always good just to like especially when you're like you have like a month off or whatever, you've got some time off. It's just always good to like get your feet wet and do something else and like practice the craft, honestly. But during a real times, the first time I did it, I was like, this was not sending a tape. This was all in person in person. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a different industry now. It's also a little bit of its charm. Right. Walking into a room, the nerves of that. Like, yeah, you don't get to do another take if they don't want to. You might go five sentences in and they're like, this isn't for us. We don't want to write the tape. You can fucking edit till the till forever. Yeah. Wait. So the first thing you did was a Coca-Cola commercial. We have to go that far back. But was it the first thing? Was that the first thing? And then the second was Riverdale? No, I did a Honda commercial as well. Oh, yeah. She was booked and busy. Yeah, I did a Honda commercial, did a Coca-Cola ad that was like on every Delta airplane or something. I don't know. A couple of movies. And then I did Riverdale. Were you feeling like this is all going to work out for me? Yeah. Wow. But I was also okay with like, if this takes longer than two years, if it takes five years, whatever, as long as I'm doing what I love and I'm working on the thing that I think is right for me, then I'll be happy. is what I told myself at the ripe old age of 20. you know i was like you're like i was like i'm chasing my dreams i got this yeah you know you hear so many stories of actors that did give themselves like a period like i'm doing this for a year if i don't then i'm and that's always the last one before they're about to quit it is yeah so you didn't have that you're like i'm chilling i kind of just got into l.a so i mean like two years is nothing yeah and like an actor's lifespan so i was like this is great yeah and then when we got the pilot i was like cool a pilot like this is so well written i love this character like hopefully it goes to season and it was every season we're like hopefully it goes to season two hopefully it goes to season three and then by that point you're like okay we're like on this show that people watch seven seasons right yeah cheryl was also like i feel like you got to show like i know it got crazy and blah blah everyone likes to talk about that but like you did get to show like a lot of different i know things as an actor i got really lucky with that character she was always challenging i was never bored she was complex as like she started out villainous but like she also had secrets secrets and she also did have like you know a heart yeah she was layered and complex yeah so i know you know again people love to ask what the craziest uh thing you ever did was and you know for me it was like gargoyle once the gargoyle tree king came i was like you guys but when did you drop off watching i think gargoyle i think i pushed through gargoyle wow am i saying it good gargoyle yeah the word gargoyle yeah gargoyle king yeah that's who he is yeah our king i then i was like why are we i pushed it because i really was so into it i pushed through that's sweet but do you connect because i know a lot of your castmates too like you guys allow yourselves to kind of poke fun at the crazy that went down it's funny the other day kemmy lily and i are in a group chat and somebody said this tick tock that was like all the crazy things that happened over there and we were all like we're so lucky we got to have this experience like there's we all made fun of it obviously because you have to be a part of the joke i even think our showrunner was out on the joke he like thought it was crazy and fun yes they would laugh at they we'd be doing crazy and he'd be laughing at table reads like it was supposed to be fun like i think there's a bit of like i'm gonna get into like a existential cinema thought but like i think we've lost we've become a little bit too literal with cinema lately where it's like i don't get how that happened and it's like it's not real right it's not it's not real what i'm doing right now and so i'm i think kind of letting the magic of like things not making sense as long as it's like within a certain degree like we don't have to over explain things we have really smart audiences and i think riverdale was leaning into just like the fun of of what film and tv can be it wasn't supposed to be this like really serious gripping you know show about like saving lives i was gonna ask like if like the show runners or people part like do they would they get upset if you got they they're in on it for sure okay roberto would be sitting at table reads and like laughing he'd be like oh my god who wrote that i'm like you wrote that wait that's so funny i'm trying to think of like an exact moment i think i think when i is it season two i think it might be the opening season two when i crushed my mom's breathing tube and i say if you breathe it's because i give you air or something he was dying of laughter and that's the thing is like that's what made it fun like at least the environment was not like oh my god people are talking so much online it was like yeah our show is we know it's crazy i flew in the air with lasers coming out of my hand i saw that you were like that's the one thing i don't want to do and he did it do you think honestly i might have given him the idea but that's the thing is he was like laughing it's like it's fun yeah and i think looking back now i'm like when will i ever do literally any of that again right in my career when do actors have the chance to do things like that i mean that was quite the experience even living probably in in vancouver right for so long i just saw we were talking about dylan sprouts before that cami said i think she bought him a ticket to see cole because he was getting lonely she was saying yeah did you ever have any of like loneliness out there you know the girls and i always were really close vanessa lily cami and i and most of the time we lived in the same building and we had keys to those apartments so it's like i'd see their location a bit i'm coming to your room like it was not yeah you know we never like the girls i never fought like it was very how lucky did you guys get with that i was with cami last night talking about that like we're so lucky like we're so lucky so lucky yeah that you became not only like oh we loved working together but like best friends best friends i saw both of them two weeks ago i saw cami last night i'm seeing her again oh yeah we're uh we're seeing each other again soon that's so it's so fun i know it's so great everyone also is obsessed with your friendship is the group chat still like redhead brunette blonde it was never called that oh okay why were people saying that because we have a tick-tock named blonde brunette redhead oh there's a there's a joint tick-tock oh because before any of us joined tick-tock we were like let's just have a joint tick-tock because like none of us came up with ideas back then we were all kind of like we don't really understand what this platform is yet and then you just made one together that was the original tick-tock we'd all post our own like individual tick-tocks on that one do you still post there i think we have okay maybe not in the last year maybe halloween you will maybe halloween are you planning a halloween joint costume potentially who's the most into halloween i saw cami said she me you i am the like leader of halloween that is my thing i am i'm always like here are the ideas what do we think are we gonna do are we all in town roll call it's september what's up but then does every uh girl have to like kind of create her own like you decide together but like then do i have to like get it taylor like i have i have a costume designer that i call i say this is what we're doing and then they make sketches and they send it to us and then the girls approve their costumes and then we continue moving forward easy i do it's really important to me i love halloween always and it's always and i i've always loved being like other things and i've always loved exploring other characters and stuff so it's like it was a day i could do it when i wasn't an actor when i was just still a kid yeah but yeah no i mean the girls don't really care about halloween so it's like if i'm gonna be the one who cares about it the most then i should be the one who like leads the charge i love that easy sign off we'll be right back after the break you guys know what what's back on hulu right now as we speak when you're done with this podcast hop on hulu and put on the all-new season of the secret lives of mormon wives okay you guys season five is here okay a shocking revealing tea dropping season with these women of mom talk these girls started out by making tick tocks and now look at them okay we don't even know where this group stands we've heard rumors now we're gonna clear the air we're gonna hear the gospel who's friends who's not friends are their friendships loved will mom talk even survive this what's happening with this drama 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month last weekend we went to friend's house in connecticut and it was so nice i'm like should i be moving to connecticut it was an hour out of the city like so close so easy so peasy but i'm so used to getting an afternoon coffee that once we were at her parents house i was like where am i going in connecticut to get a coffee right now like into town like no i need my afternoon delight and they had a pool there which lovely and they had a little pool house lovelier she was like you want a drink on the fridge i opened the fridge and they had it stocked with like seltzers and stuff and guess what they had there you guys a starbucks frappuccino drink it was like oh it's like that kind of moment like i couldn't believe it i was like did i bring this here like how do you have this it was mocha flavored and it was absolutely perfect i was so happy because she had a lot of people over and i needed like kind of a break for a second sometimes i get a little like social anxiety so i literally like took the glass bottle and walked down to like the street so suburban so different than my usual new york city scenery and i was just sipping on my starbucks frappuccino all right it was so good it was what i needed it was the midday pick me up plus the little sweet indulgent just moment of joy in a crazy day with the kids you know what i mean and it's just i love having starbucks frappuccino drinks like in my fridge ready to take on the go to offer to guests and like me being the guest in that scenario being offered this i was just like yes that's exactly what i'm saying how nice is it to have this right now also nobody wants to make you a coffee imagine i was like can you make me a coffee it's like no i have one bottled in the french anyway find bottled starbucks frappuccino drinks wherever you buy your gas or groceries and we're back both cammy and lily expressed like dealing with body image issues on riverdale what was it like for you being on a cw show at that time with like beauty standards i'm sure it's much worse now to be on tv now i mean i was telling you i think we were i don't know if we were rolling around i don't know if we were rolling around i don't know if we were but it is tough to like deal with the beauty standards these days in hollywood and i'm in hollywood like i have a hard time where i'm like man should i go get like botox i mean i've never had botox i've never had a needle in my face it's also hard you look so good though thank you thank you that's really kind it's it's tough you want the movement you need it by the way the reason i froze is because i got botox yes that's good the minute you said like i didn't get botox i was like in my mind like i gotta yes today by the way if i wasn't an actor i probably would too yeah i need expression you wanna yeah look at that these you know i need those you need to know what i'm concerned right yeah so i get it but i yeah i mean look it was obviously hard there's like cw shows were like where you had to be like hot and young and fit and or definitely i definitely had some highs and some lows on that show for sure yeah it's hard when you're younger too i'm sure like as you get yeah older and you're more like do you feel like as you get older you become kind of more confident in who you are too like as a person and i think that's such a case-by-case basis like for myself like for you i yeah yeah yeah i definitely think so like with the right work and i'm really into somatic therapy it's kind of what changed my life somatic yeah tell me what that is i'm not gonna be able to define it the way that my therapist would okay like rock with me but she always says emotions are energy in motion so she like has me work through things through my body so breath work eye movement like kind of releasing like actual trauma in my body through like cbt which is cognitive behavioral therapy so talk and then also movement breathing i'm moving and then i'm moving and kind of releases like stored emotion in your body i should probably do that sometimes like when i'm anxious and i do the box breathing it makes me more anxious because i'm focusing on the breath and i'm like you're breathing weird you know hyperventilating yeah you know so i feel like i should probably do that with somebody so i know it doesn't happen to me i'm really into it well you're really like working on your like you're like you have the healer your therapy doing all this shit like your i love self-care and and arguably the most important thing to me i also think like it makes me a better artist to understand myself better yeah why wouldn't i i think get curious and stay curious specifically about yourself and you'll never be bored but also be curious about other people i mean you are every day that's your job right so you operate from a place of like curiosity which i think keeps you young yes and interested in life and interested in in other people yeah i also saw a tiktok you did with mr fantasy big fan did you teach him how to drive i did he didn't know how to drive it was a mess wait was it a stick shift i can't drive so i was like we're learning together you taught him how to drive a regular car yeah what are his teeth like they're really rough they're really rough yeah they look crazy in person are you gonna do more collabs with mr video oh shit yeah it was a big deal it is a big deal i was really excited to be honest you think we're gonna get more stuff from him i imagine so he's crushing it he just went on tour didn't he he did yeah i didn't get to go but i think he i think people like love it yeah you girls seem to to love him we are really big fans of mr fantasy it's crazy it just happened really randomly so i know just to close out riverdale we said i'm not gonna do the question of what was the craziest thing you had to shoot i know i know what the least crazy thing i had to shoot i want to know the the most the best memory you have from it yeah that's such a sweet question what's coming to mind right now is the last day like there were two last days of season seven where there was like the entire major cast like every person saying goodbye and then there was like the last day where like lily and i worked together on the last day because people had to go that second to last day where everybody was saying goodbye everyone had written these beautiful speeches to say goodbye because we had the same crew for seven years and it was just this like i mean i remember i took a video vanessa and i when they were not on our coverage and this big scene where everybody's in it and it was kind of written for us to all say goodbye we were everybody was sobbing off camera and it's like i think it's such a unique experience for everyone to be so connected at their soul level that when they're finishing a show that was like a lot of high epic highs and epic lows it's for everyone to really feel so sad about its ending knowing it's the right time but like really just being like man we're not going to see each other every day i think that was probably one of my favorite memories of that show i love that it is a unique experience right that we talked about like maybe doesn't even happen like that anymore get as close anymore because they're not up somewhere for 10 months of a year in a random location right it's three to four it's a very different experience it's a different experience and then the next thing was strangers the strangers which also was a unique shooting experience right because you shot the three cross-portage okay so what does that mean all at the same time so like i would do movie one in the morning movie three in the evening why did you shoot like that from a creative reason or from like a time budget kind of everything it kind of worked in our favor obviously for budget reasons we're not going back and forth a lot yeah but also like as an artist the movie takes place over three days all three sorry all three movies take place over three days so if i had shot movie one seen how it done how seen how it had done and then like they decided to go back a year and a half later i'm having to get back into that space of exactly where I ended the last movie. Yeah. That's tough. Not changing my hair, not changing anything about myself. Right, right, right. And then audience members would be like, her hair looks different or you can tell she got more tan before this one. Not that I get tan, but you know what I mean? Have you ever gotten a spray tan? I was tan for a movie, for Maintenance Required, but it was not a spray tan. It was like a fake tan they put on me every day. Oh. Because like, oh, she works on cars. She'd be tan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, I didn't really, I would never be tan in real life. But I just wanted to look different. Are you like an SPF queen? Honestly, like I should be. I just don't go in the sun. Oh, you just don't go, like you're. I'm more of a like, look at it from inside kind of person. Are you a beach or pool person? Beach. You're a beach person. I like the ocean. But umbrella. Umbrella. Like a setup. I have a full setup. A full setup. I have like a long sleeve shirt. Like I'm like, I'm Anne Hathaway at the beach, literally. Do you know what I'm talking about? That's me. I know exactly what you're talking about. I think she has UV clothing on, which is really impressive. I don't go that far. You don't go that far. No, I probably should though. I'm really sensitive to the sun. And this you produced, right? So tell me about the producing side. Did you get to like see the, like be in on the edit and everything like that? Yeah, I did everything in the edit. Oh, wow. For all three movies, yeah. It was a really cool experience. Courtney Solomon, who produced those movies, I wasn't a producer when I was offered it. And then I kind of, I pulled up to Slovakia and I was like, hey, pulled up to Slovakia, hey, what up? And I was like, I have some thoughts. If you guys want them, if not, like, I'll go fuck myself. It's all good. Like, I'm here to do my job. Yeah. They're like, let's hear them. And then I rewrote all the scripts of Courtney in Slovakia every night. We'd change the script, which it worked in our favor because there was no other actors in the movie, really. Like, the strangers don't talk very much. So it wasn't like I was like boning other actors, like giving them lines the next day so we could like really work on it that night. And he just gave me a lot of creative autonomy, which was also an experience I had on Riverdale. And I learned like, the three, the two girls and I, like we really like learned producerial qualities on that show because there was so much autonomy in our characters. And so we like naturally fell into these producerial roles. And then I went into the strangers and I'm just so used to having like autonomy, which is such a lovely thing as an artist that I was like, hey, I have thoughts. Are they celebrated or is that not okay? And they're like, no, please. And then we just like worked on it. And then Courtney was- What do you think that on Riverdale you did? It's not like I could write storylines, but like I could call Roberto and say, our showrunner, and be like, I don't think my character would ever do that. He'd be like, okay, let's talk about it. Yeah, yeah. Which is a really rare experience in TV. He trusted that at the end of the day, we knew our characters more. I mean, between seasons one, two, and three, he was like, is there anything that you've always wanted to do that you've never done? He would literally ask me that. And I was like, I want to do archery. And he goes, okay, great. Next season you're doing archery. It was like that. Oh my God, I love Roberto. What's he up to now? He's genuinely one of the best humans on planet Earth. They're doing the Afterlife with Archie show. Oh, cool. Yeah, and he used to write the Afterlife with Archie comics. Archie, aka KJ. Yeah, but not KJ. But not KJ. But yes, Archie Andrews. So I know that like it ended and everything, but like you guys love each other so much. Like what a reunion thing ever, because- Like a friend's type one. It's kind of crazy because it's like I can't even imagine. I mean, it only ended three-ish years ago. So right now that feels like really crazy to think about. I more prefer all of us going to Vancouver and seeing our crew again. Like that's more interesting to me. Like to go sit and hang out with people I spent every day with for eight years. I'm always advocating for movies to shoot in Vancouver because I'm like, I got my list. And exactly who I want to work with. Let's go see my people. Again, never say never. I'm not like opposed to it. So you're saying you were a horror girly before you became a horror girl? I'm a horror actress. Wow. I watched every horror film on my local blockbuster when I was a kid. So like, did you love Scream? The good, the bad, the ugly. And I know what you did last summer. Honestly, those weren't my favorites. I had more deep cut favorites than that. Tell me. Oh my God. I've only watched some of these once, but I remember them very, I had them on a high pedestal as a child, but don't take me, The Conjuring I loved. Okay. But that was an incredible film. I still think that's an incredible film. This movie called Black Sheep. As a vegan- This is way more- It's deep cut. Yeah. It's deep cut. Black Sheep. Black Sheep is about sheep killing humans, which makes sense for me. But like, if we're talking about like franchises, Saw is top, top, top for me. Oh, Saw, yes. They're making Saw 11. And the way that I harass Lionsgate, like, let me be the first kill. Like, let me, I just want to be in Saw 11 because it just like, it's one of those bucket lists for me. When did it happen? And I haven't shot it yet. They're still writing it. So I harass them all the time. Well, you do. I'm texting everyone from Lionsgate, like, hey guys, so when am I, when am I going to be put in the movie? Like, that is a dream of yours. Yes. This isn't like a career thing necessarily. My career or not, I need to be in Saw 11. Put her in Saw 11. Put me in Saw 11. Wait, there are 11? Are you listening? Babe, you saw 10? Of course. By the way, 10's incredible. 10 really? It didn't get worse as it went on? Let me explain to you. Well, no, she's not going to say it because her email's out to Lionsgate. No, no, let me explain. First of all, it's a text. Don't be crazy. Saw 10 happens between Saw 1 and Saw 2. So they brought back Tobin Bell, who plays Jigsaw. It's really smart. It's cool. You're bringing me back. You need to go rewatch all of them. I, it was this scary. But yeah, I guess we don't have that as much anymore. Because again, people are like, oh, it's, you know, like they're like, it's a stupid concept. Like it wouldn't happen today. Like this wouldn't happen. It's like, right. It wouldn't happen today. Right. Right. Watch it. It's a movie. Speaking of wouldn't happen today, I saw the trailer for American Horror Story. Who knows? Maybe that would happen today. That, I don't even know what's happening there. So I don't know. There's some witches. Who knows? Who knows? We see you in the trailer. We know you're in it. So you can't deny. We see you. Let me think about the clue. Let me think about the clues. We see a shirt with 13. Can you give us anything on that? I'm trying to think if I'm allowed to say anything about that. I know I'm allowed to say I played Joey Polari's girlfriend who plays Ben, who's like the centrifugal force of the season. Okay. I'm his girlfriend. Okay. And we see you on a plane. I'm on a plane. Something is going down on that plane. Something's awry on the plane. Something's awry. I'm wearing a 13 shirt. I think that's literally all. Those are the context clues we have in that trailer. But it's coming out September 24. So we don't have to wait. That long to find out. And the first three episodes come out on September 24. Oh, fun. Yeah. What was it like joining this franchise for you? This was one of those bucket list things for me. Stop. Yeah. Is it an email that you wrote? I mean, I'm pretty sure I've said in numerous interviews, like, Ryan Murphy, give me a call. Really? I'm pretty sure. I'm such a big fan of his. I was like, kind of starstruck when I met him. I was like, guys, that's Ryan Murphy. And he directed me, which was so cool. Oh, and that doesn't happen for everyone? I don't know. Okay. I wanted to have that experience. And I think that's like one of those things that I really wanted to check off my bucket list. So it was just one of those things where I was like, how could I not want to do this iconic show that I grew up watching? Like, I loved Murder House, season one. It's like a perfect season of television, in my opinion. And yeah, it was like a bucket list thing. I've always wanted to be on American Horror Story. Did you get the call and then freak out? I was really, really, really, really excited. Yeah. And I've never shot in New York. It's shot here. I was like, it was such a cool experience. And also, I've never, I've never. Oh, I can't say that. Oh, shit. I've never. I've never. You just said I've never. I've never. I've never. Fill in. Don't fill in. I don't want the internet to fill that in. Okay. How fun was it shooting it? And working with all, who did you, can you tell? Nope. No, okay. I can't. Well, you could tell, like, we see who's on the season. Joey is, I mean, I never met Joey before. The sweetest thing. I had so much fun with him. It was really fun. She's a fun character. Is this the first time you've had to keep, like, kind of a secret? Is it that you feel like you can't reveal stuff? No. Riverdale, we used to go all the time. Oh, yeah. To, like, write about, like, storylines. We got red pages on that show. Oh, really? Like, only if you're in the scene, you get the pages kind of a thing. Yeah. And shooting in New York for American Horror Story, is it, like, how aren't there, like, paparazzi on the street? There are sometimes. Okay, there are. There are sometimes, yeah. Okay. In fact, I'm pretty sure it leaked that I was in it, like, way earlier than they wanted it to. I don't, I don't know. Yeah? I honestly don't know, but I feel like people knew long before anybody announced it, which was kind of crazy. Other stuff is coming up that I don't know, that you're going to have to tell me. Like, what up with it? Right, what up with it? Sure. You're going to have to tell me what up with it. Happy to. Okay, Pretty Babies, it just premiered. At Edinburgh, yeah. Did you go? I didn't. I just wrapped a movie, like, three days before, with that same director. Oh, wow. Which was so cool, and she was like, I'm getting on a plane. I was like, you should. You're the filmmaker. You should be there. I love you, and I'm supporting you from afar. And this seems, it's like a, it's a film about 18-year-old best friends who travel to California to chase their dreams of Hollywood stardom, only to get pulled into the dark underbelly of the sex work industry. I'm part of that. I'm not the 18-year-old. I'm part of the dark underbelly. I am the dark underbelly of the sex industry. You're the sex worker. Yeah, I try to entice them into my world. Oh, wow. And this is the film you worked with Sadie, you were saying. Yes, yeah. Yeah, she plays one of the young girls. She plays one of the young girls. Where can, do you know what's, what happens after it premieres at a film festival? What's the next step? Well, it's obviously different. Like, you can be in competition, but already have distribution or be there for both or be there just for distribution. We were there for both. And we are fielding offers right now distribution-wise. I'm not a producer. I just like love that movie. And I really believe in that filmmaker and the producers behind it. It's Christine Vachon at Killer Films and Jordan Wagner, who like is such a filmmaker champion. Like, it's really cool to work with people like that. And they really involve me, which I'm really thankful for. So we're just fielding some offers right now to see where it goes. But I'm hoping, you know, early 2027 would be amazing because I really love that movie. It's really special to me. I got to like go back to dance roots. And I like, I became a very intense stripper. Oh, you got on some poles. I had so many bruises shooting that movie. It was crazy. I did real, like, I was like, I have to be good at this. This character's been doing this for like 10 years. I have to be good. So you took pole dancing? Yeah, I found a stripper. And I was like, can you teach me like what it's like to work in a club? Can I come to your club? Can I watch you? Can I like, and I like shadowed her. And then she taught me like what she would actually do on a pole versus going to pole dancing. She was incredible. She's also a DP. She's such a badass. I'm obsessed with her. Wow. Which is a DP on the. No, she's a DP in life. And she also strips. Oh, wow. And she's so fucking cool. I love that. No, she's the, she's the baddest bitch. And I still train with her. We still do pole dancing just because I love it so much. And you get super, you need to be strong for that shit. I was actually pretty impressed that I like had the upper body strength I had. I didn't know. So like hold my. my body yeah that's hard it was really really really fun ashley benson is in it too i love her yeah she's great okay and then there's chasing red is that happening it's been shot okay i have no idea what's happening okay this is the movie world that's why i'm like you need to tell me what up with that and okay is there anything else i'm missing that's in the works i wish i never had sex with him i just shot that movie yeah we're editing it right now so i love the title thank you it sounds so fun it's really fun it's a wish fulfillment movie you're like the the main character you're like an editor she got her yeah yeah and i i find out that i can go back to the last night of my 20s over and over again to like become this perfect version of myself for a guy and then ultimately she learns you know like lessons and things like that but it's a really sweet wish fulfillment movie that doesn't like the device isn't explained it's just like jump into the world enjoy the world this is where we are and this is so different because i'm assuming american horror story was a quick thing right it was like you get a little bit of a sense of what's going on and then you get a little bit of a sense of what's going on and then you get a little bit of a sense of what's going on and then you get a little bit you shoot it it comes out like quicker than oh yeah like the turnaround and you i think they already knew when it was coming out because of course that would come out around halloween so it was kind of like yeah we knew it was i knew it was coming out and where and with this there's stuff that you've worked on for months trained for all this stuff and you're like i don't know i shot pretty babies and i think i wrapped like september second of last year okay yeah and we're and okay let's cross our fingers that we know what's gonna happen okay let's do a few quick we're friends okay are you still vlogging on youtube no you were such a youtube girl i know actually deleted all my videos it's very controversial wait okay i thought something was like wrong because i went and it was like all like statuses and i'm like am i a boomer like i don't know what's happening why is it no just why did you delete i think like those were that was my 20s and it was a very public 20s and i just wanted to like feel a little bit more like i had autonomy over it and i was like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my my privacy got you yeah like maybe you shared some stuff there that not even that just more like it was just like you know it just felt like i wanted it was what felt right to me at the time okay i know that i get a lot of flack for that and i am sorry i took them down but because it because it maybe they'll go back up they're just archived by the way babe i think like you're like maybe like wikipedia i can't remember it's like actress slash youtuber lit that's sick are you kidding right now like look at these people coming out of youtube like okay but that's what i'm you got to that level on youtube where it was like i know and then i deleted them all but you never know i saw the channel by the way maybe the videos are deleted but the youtube is there they're archived what's the biggest misconception about you maybe my height oh right i'm i'm much shorter than you expect me to be i imagine i'm not gonna accept that answer okay what what do you think you've just spent an hour with me what's the biggest misconception about me i try i try not to think about things like that it makes me really sad oh you're thinking in a negative way oh yeah what else would okay i get what you're saying what would people be surprised to learn about you that i'm actually funny mic drop people think you're not funny i don't know if i don't know i think i think people will be surprised to learn that and my my perception of people's perception of me got you to be perceived is what what a beautiful thing is that people don't think i'm funny but that is that kind of like the the main personality trait i lead with every day your sense of humor is like dry right very dry okay yeah very like self-destructive yeah yeah yeah why do you think my instagram is madelaine okay first of all why is oh madelaine i'm lame madelaine madelaine i did not fucking regina right i asked you i was like i wonder why her instagram is that and i was like i'm gonna ask her and you were like i'm into self-deprecation first of all i love that i think maybe that's the maybe because people also think it's made lame or like i don't know like maybe that's how you say your name you made that up for yourself okay i'm gonna be honest this guy in high school used to call me madelaine i all owe it to him bullying you i think maybe it was maybe he had a crush i'm not quite sure we never got that far but he would call me madelaine all the time and you were like and then i made my instagram in high school and i was like whatever like i'm never gonna use this thing like i'll make it madelaine did you ever think to change it to your name you know when i when riverdale got kind of big my old team was like you gotta change it to madelaine patch and i was like i'm not doing that sick well that's just like it feels so like serious like official it's like i don't want my instagram to be so serious like it's not like a work page like i'll share my work sometimes but most of the time i'm like just posting random dumps i am obsessed that it's madelaine and i wouldn't have known that like i'm so happy that we got to that fascinating um okay first celebrity crush i have a really good answer for this hold on oh angelina jolie bye bye sorry i just had a clip of it's not gone girl that movie girl interrupted right best movie and i just look at her and i'm like it's like this yeah it's like that the biggest ick sandals on men yes agrees a dream role next dream role since american horror story was a dream oh oh saw 11 oh my god i was gonna say poison ivy which is kind of boring oh 11 oh so 11's cooler and then poison ivy yeah no everyone knows about poison ivy things 11 okay love you thank you for coming this was so fun thank you thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of not skinny but not fat follow me on instagram at not skinny but not fat subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes rate the podcast that you love so much on apple podcast and write a little review if you tell me you did i'll give you a big virtual smoocheroo thank you guys so much for listening and i'll see you next tuesday please note that this episode may contain paid endorsement and advertisements for products and services individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode