Maddow cracks DOGE mystery as Trump fails again on the eve of the election
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Election night coverage begins at 6 p.m. Eastern, marking the start of early results from key battlegrounds like Indiana and Kentucky, particularly in the race to replace Congressman Andy Barr. The Trump administration’s aggressive attempts to manipulate elections—centered on a fraudulent "Doge" data list aggregating personal information from federal agencies like Social Security and the IRS—have been decisively rejected by federal courts, including the Supreme Court, which ruled that such a fake national voter roll is invalid and cannot replace actual state rolls. These efforts, including claims of thousands of non-citizen voters in California and Nevada, have been exposed as baseless and legally unsustainable. In response, state officials—including California’s governor and attorney general—are now actively preparing federal courts to block any ballot seizures, with FBI agents reporting deep concerns about being ordered to seize ballots before counting. This represents a critical threat to election integrity, especially in states like Alaska, where long-counting procedures are designed to ensure accuracy. Despite these threats, democratic institutions and election officials remain resolute, refusing to buckle under pressure. The Nevada congressional race also draws attention due to a Republican candidate, David Flippo, who has repeatedly made false or exaggerated claims about military service and honors, raising red flags about campaign integrity. Overall, while the administration has pursued a campaign of chaos and misinformation, it has failed in every major effort, demonstrating that democratic safeguards and public vigilance are resilient. The night underscores a broader truth: attempts to undermine elections through data manipulation, legal threats, and intimidation have been exposed as both legally and ethically indefensible, and the American electorate remains firmly committed to fair and free voting.
Happy Election Eve.
Let me tell you about our coverage plans
for election night tomorrow.
Of course, we're gonna have coverage all day long
as the day unfolds, but in terms of election results,
our marathon special coverage of the election results
starts at 6 p.m. Eastern.
And that's important because we do actually expect
some real results in that first hour.
Six o'clock Eastern is when the very first polls
start closing in parts of Indiana and Kentucky.
And it's gonna be important right from the beginning.
I mean, Republican Kentucky Congressman Andy Barr
is leaving the House to run
for Mitch McConnell's Kentucky Senate seat.
There is an outside chance, not a certainty by any means,
but there is an outside chance that if Democrats
are having a really, really, really good night
tomorrow night, we might start to see evidence of that
as soon as 6 p.m. Eastern.
In that race to replace Andy Barr
in Kentucky's 6th District,
where Democrat Zach Dumbo is trying to flip that seat.
So right from the very beginning,
there's gonna be stuff to watch.
It's gonna be a long night.
We're not gonna know the total number of House seats
for each party for weeks.
We're not gonna know the Alaska Senate results,
like maybe for at least a week.
We might not know the main Senate result
for days and days and days.
And we definitely won't know all California's House results.
We're not gonna know the House results for days and days.
More likely for weeks.
It is going to take a long time to get to all the results.
But the first results really are gonna start coming in early,
which is specifically why we are starting
at 6 p.m. Eastern tomorrow,
which is why 6 p.m. Eastern tomorrow is a good time
to plan to have your pizza ordered
and your butt in your favorite chair.
Election night special coverage and first results
starting at 6 p.m. Eastern here tomorrow night.
Also, you want the long,
longest possible period of watching us
to see us physically devolve over the course of the night
to the point where we're like drooling
and misstating our own names by 2 a.m.
And you really only get the best contrast for that
if you start us right at 6 o'clock when we're fresh.
All right.
Do you remember that at the start of this presidential term,
when Trump got back into the White House
for this second term,
I came back and did this show five days a week?
Remember that?
For the first hundred days that Trump was back in office,
I stopped doing just Monday nights
and I did Monday through Friday.
I did five days a week for the first hundred days.
Well, at the end of that hundred days,
on the final night of my 100 days coverage,
I did one last show in which I focused in
on one thing that these guys had been doing
during those first hundred days.
One thing that I couldn't explain.
One thing that I thought they seemed unusually focused on
without explaining why they were doing it.
And so at the end of the hundred days,
literally my last night of doing that whole hundred day stretch,
I sort of came clean with you guys here on the air
and I said, basically, you know,
hey, I've been here a hundred days.
I've covered all of this stuff as best I can.
I think we all understand a lot now about what they're doing
and how they're trying to do it.
But there is this one thing that I am flummoxed by.
There is this one thing they have been really unusually
focused on that I at least don't understand.
I don't know why they're doing it.
There is one mystery.
Here's what I said at the time.
Something that we sort of just,
I think, haven't really gotten our heads around it yet.
And it relates to Doge and Elon Musk
and what he's done in Washington.
But it's the sort of black box at the center
of whatever he has been doing in Washington.
The one thing they are consistently doing
and doing as aggressively as possible,
and they haven't given us an explanation
for why they're doing it,
is that they are aggregating data.
So over the past hundred days,
Doge teams have grabbed personal data about U.S.
residents from dozens of federal databases
and are reportedly merging it all into a master database.
The master database will combine data from federal agencies,
including Social Security, the IRS,
and the Department of Health and Human Services.
It is a huge data grab from what appears to be
every agency in the government.
And that really appears to be their only consistent priority,
the only consistent priority that they have.
It's the only thing they are consistently
and aggressively doing everywhere they insert themselves.
What is that about?
Why are they doing that?
Why were they doing that?
In the first hundred days,
Trump sent his top campaign donor,
the richest man in the world,
in with his team of interns
to go into every agency of the federal government.
And they basically wrecked every place they showed up,
and they fired people and insulted people and left filth,
and trash, and wreckage behind them.
But they really seemed to only care about one thing,
the one thing they did everywhere.
And they did it dutifully and really like with a lot of attention,
and as if it was the most important thing they were there to do.
They grabbed everyone's data.
They grabbed every American's data from all of these agencies that they went into.
Well, it took from the first hundred days until now
to get clarity on it, basically.
But we now know what probably happened.
That was their big idea.
That was their big, dumb idea
about how they were going to screw up the midterm elections.
They took the federal databases,
the same data that Doge stole, right?
They Frankensteined this data together
into a kind of fake national list under the office.
It was the auspices of the Department of Homeland Security.
And in court, they haven't been willing to say what the origin exactly of that list was,
and they haven't been willing to say what their methodology was for creating this list.
But this thing, they cobbled together.
They have tried, basically, to proclaim this to be the new national voter roll,
which is a thing we do not have in America.
We don't have a national voter roll because the federal government doesn't run the elections.
But they created a sort of Frankenstein fake national voter roll.
And the reason we can reasonably surmise that that's what they did
is because Doge got caught doing it in March, 2025,
using social security data to match state voter rolls
for the purpose of trying to overturn election results
in certain states.
That seems to have been the plan all along, right?
To insist that the real voter rolls in the states
don't matter anymore because
there's this new Trump list, this Doge list,
that they made out of, apparently,
all the data that they stole from all of those agencies.
And with this fake Frankenstein Doge list,
that's how they'll decide from here on out who's allowed to vote.
This new national Frankenstein list was the basis for them announcing in July
that there were hundreds of thousands of non-citizens registered to vote
in California and Nevada and New Jersey and Pennsylvania,
that it was the basis for them threatening Nevada's election officials
with a whole tidal wave of subpoenas that still hasn't stopped.
It was the basis for them threatening California election officials,
that maybe it's 190,000 people or maybe it's 20,000 people
or maybe we don't really know.
Hard to keep track.
But regardless of the number,
you should definitely not let tens of thousands of people at least
vote in California or else we might lock you up.
Well, tonight in this unsigned order,
the Supreme Court of the United States put a stop to that and told the Trump
administration to leave California alone and know their made up Doge list
cobbled together from eye of newt and toe of frog cannot replace the actual
voter rolls of the state of California.
As the New York Times notes about this Supreme Court decision tonight,
quote,
it came only hours after the administration filed its emergency
request and without the court even calling for a response or
briefing from the opposing parties.
The Times says, quote, it is nearly unheard of for
the court to rule on an application filed by the federal government
without first asking for a response from the opposing parties.
But we now know this appears to have been the big idea behind Doge, right?
Doge didn't actually save any money, right?
Doge didn't seem to have any rhyme or
reason beyond like pursuing weird internet conspiracy theories.
About what parts of the federal government they were wantonly destroying.
The one big idea that actually seems to have been operative behind the whole
insane Doge thing in the first 100 days was that they wanted to steal all the data
from all the federal agencies, including the IRS, including Social Security,
including the Health and Human Services Department.
All that private sensitive information on every American and
then apparently they were going to use this information to try to mess up voting in these
elections, that appears to have been the big idea.
And it has failed in shockingly complete and unequivocal terms.
And I'm no data scientist, but I do know the age old principle of data management,
which is garbage in, garbage out, and this was garbage 100% of the process.
These guys are garbage, the same slovenliness,
and arrogance, and cocky know nothing nonsense that led the Doge geniuses to canceling genetic
research of all kinds because they couldn't tell the difference between mice being transgenic and
mice being transgender. The same slovenliness and arrogance that led these ignorant geniuses
to cut Ebola response and to try to sell off America's federal courthouses. The same slovenliness
and arrogance that led these geniuses to claim there were people who were 200 years old who were
receiving social security checks because they don't understand what a birthday is. That same
level of genius which brought you all the supposed great savings of Doge. Well, that's the
that's the proverbial knife they brought to the proverbial gunfight with the American people
over whether we're allowed to vote or whether we're allowed to vote to keep our leaders
or to chuck them out.
Yeah.
I mean, when these guys wrote to Washington state demanding that Washington state not use their voter
rolls and instead use the Doge Frankenstein list to decide who was going to be allowed to vote in
Washington state, the Trump administration's lawyers demanded in their letter that the state
needed to bow to its demands before the November 2nd elections.
The what? The elections are on November 3rd. They apparently didn't know that.
In the same letter, they demanded action on the state's voter rolls. But they spelled it wrong. They spelled it R-O-L-E-S, like the voters are playing a part in a play or something. When they wrote their threatening letters to counties in California demanding that those counties throw out their voter rolls and substitute this weird Doge list instead, Trump's genius lawyers sent a list of voters to Mendocino County.
Mendocino County.
That included exactly zero voters on it from Mendocino County.
Trump's lawyers sent a list to Inyo County in California that included no one who had been sent a ballot in Inyo County.
After humiliating themselves in their attempted attacks on California and Nevada, also with these thousands of false accusations and their own inability to spell one syllable words,
Mendocino County's lawyer sent a list of voters to Inyo County in California and Nevada, also with these thousands of false accusations and their own inability to spell one syllable words,
that Trump's justice department appears to have given up in some of the states they previously targeted, and the states of New Jersey and Pennsylvania. Those are states where earlier this summer, the Trump administration made wild allegations about thousands of things, thousands of names being wrong on those states' voter rolls.
But as of today, Trump administration has decided, apparently, to not follow that up with any demands that people be disenfranchised or that people's votes be set aside.
They had Doge steal all that data from all those agencies in the first hundred days.
They apparently wanted to use that data to mess up the vote everywhere. They said this summer that
they were at least going to use that data to mess up the vote in five states, in California,
Nevada, Washington State, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. They gave up entirely, apparently,
in two of those states, in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. And in the other states,
they have thus far been blown back by their own shambolic incompetence.
And now, tonight, unanimously and instantly, they have been blown back
by the United States Supreme Court.
Hasn't worked out for them.
When a would-be authoritarian tries to take over a democracy,
the way they do it is that they try for something called authoritarian breakthrough.
They ascend to power through democratic means,
and then once they have attained power and consolidated power,
They try to use the power of the state to make sure they can never be ousted, to make sure they and their party can never be pried out of their positions of power.
They're trying for autocratic breakthrough.
They're trying to use the power of the state to make sure that elections can never oust them again.
But an autocratic breakthrough is not automatic, right?
It takes effort.
It takes skill.
It takes spellcheck. It takes the ability to sound out hard words like roll and to figure
out which day on the calendar is Tuesday. It's turning out to be too much to do for these
geniuses. But that doesn't mean they're not trying. They're trying and they are failing
in every instance. Federal courts have now blocked the administration, or the administration has now
agreed in court that they will not send armed homeland security officers door to door going
after voters, which they were previously trying to do, that they cannot use the post office as
the keeper of a makeshift national voter list for everyone who votes by mail, that they have to stop
threatening election officials with criminal prosecution, that they cannot set aside 20,000
ballots in California because the Doge magic eight ball told them those votes shouldn't count,
that they cannot set aside the ballots of every vote for a man named Sullivan in Alaska,
that they can't block the certification of the Alaska Senate race if their guy doesn't win.
I mean, they've been blocked in all of these things. In that Alaska Senate race,
you should know in advance, Alaska's counting process by design is intended to be slow and
deliberate. And the administration will presumably try to pretend that that's some kind of scandal,
some sort of sign that something's wrong. It's not a sign that something's wrong.
Alaska is the most physically far-flung state in the country.
Lots of vote comes in by mail.
And as long as that vote is postmarked by Election Day, your ballot in Alaska can come in as late as 10 days after Election Day.
Or 15 days if you're mailing in your vote from overseas.
In Alaska, if nobody gets 50% of the vote in, say, that Alaska Senate race, then they'll go to the second round of their ranked choice voting system.
They won't even start to do that, though, until 15 days after the election so they can
make sure that all the votes that were postmarked by Election Day have been received.
Not till 15 days after Election Day.
That's not a mistake.
It's not suspect.
That is how the voting system works in Alaska.
And now we've got two different federal court orders that have blocked the Trump administration
from trying to squirrel away some of those votes in that race
or from trying to stop that race from being certified.
So they've tried their best, but it's not going to work.
Alaskans have been voting in huge numbers,
and Alaskans will continue to vote through the close of polls tomorrow.
And those votes will count as normal,
no matter how much the geniuses in the administration would like it to be otherwise.
Tonight, we're going to talk here on this show, this hour, about the worst thing they might try
to do, which is to try to seize ballots before those ballots are counted or before vote totals
have been certified. MSNOW reporter Carol Lennig has been talking with sources inside the FBI who
say agents are concerned. That's what they're going to be told to do. We're going to talk with
Carol about that tonight and about what might happen if they try something that ham-fisted
in that third world. But even that, which to me is the worst smash-and-grab, kind of hardest-to-fix
thing that they might try, even that is something where it just seems like they didn't really factor
in the fact that the rest of us, that the American people don't have to stand for that kind of thing
and we can kind of see what they're planning. Last week, MSNOW reported that one unnamed state
Attorney General, had already contacted the federal district court judges in their state,
preemptively requesting to that court that the state be given a right to reply to the court
before any search warrant was granted, before any warrant was granted that might allow the FBI or
any other federal agency to seize ballots. Tonight, we can report that the governor of the state of
California has this weekend also written to the federal district court judges in his state,
asking the courts to be prepared for the federal government to seek warrants to try to seize
ballots, advising the court that there's no legitimate law enforcement reason to grant
any such warrant. Tonight, we can further report that a third state has also made contact with
federal district court judges to clarify the exact logistics for the state to seek emergency relief,
to seek legitimate emergency immediate relief from the federal courts, even outside of normal
business hours, which of course would be helpful to have if federal agents tried to seize ballots.
The prospect of autocratic breakthrough, the prospect of a strongman using the power of the
government to try to make sure that he and his party can never be removed from power,
it is a super scary prospect, right? It is a scary prospect if you imagine that the people
carrying it out can spell poll or can count to three. But in our case, that's not what we've got.
And in our case, we've got every normal election official in the country, even the Republican ones.
We've got every normal voter in the country, even the Republican ones. We've got every normal law
make sure these elections are normal and free and fair and no one messes with them.
And that is up against a Doge clown show holding a press conference today at the
reflecting pool because algae or whatever.
The early vote numbers this year are breaking records in almost every state in the country.
The African-American vote, particularly in the U.S. South,
looks stronger than at any time since Barack Obama was on the ballot for president of the
United States. The elections of this country belong to the people of this country and they
will be safeguarded by us and by public officials who take their work seriously and who know what
they're doing and who by now have total clarity, as we all do, on the vindictive, ignorant,
misspelled,
heretic,
harebrained, slovenly, cocky incompetence of those acting on the president's behalf
who thought they would shut these elections down.
It's election eve. More than 57 million votes are already cast. Whatever they thought they
were going to do to mess with these elections, we can now say it. They were mistaken. They were wrong.
We got this. Let's do it.
We do have breaking news on this election eve. The Wall Street Journal tonight is reporting that
there have been new strikes by the U.S. military in the Strait of Hormuz. The journal is citing
unnamed U.S. officials. The Associated Press has similar reporting. So while we have not
matched this reporting, I'm comfortable conveying to you what both the journal and the AP are
reporting. Here's the journal's phrasing. Quote, the U.S. attacked Iran's Qesham,
on Monday. U.S. officials said in the latest of a series of limited strikes, Washington has
secretly carried out against the country in recent weeks as President Trump touted the possibility of
a diplomatic deal. The assault follows comments by Trump playing down the possibility of a return
to war with Iran after tomorrow's midterm elections. Trump told reporters today, quote,
we had a war with Iran. We won. I don't know if you even call it a war because we haven't been
doing any fighting for months.
On this election eve, it may be important to prepare ourselves for what happens
alongside the election and for what comes next after the election results are in. We have to
prepare ourselves for what happens after this president faces what is likely to be the last
real check by voters of his presidency ever. On that point, here's David Remnick in the
New Yorker magazine under the headline Making Waves. He writes,
Quote,
After a decade defined by Donald Trump's unceasing presence, a growing percentage of the American
electorate appears now to recognize the uniqueness of this president and the mayhem he's instigated
from the Oval Office. We are collectively on guard against undue optimism. Still, if the coming
election does result in a blue wave, Trump will be faced with the fact of his diminishment. The rest
of us will be faced with the wreckage. A decade ago, those who believed that Trump's ascent
represented a grave and multifaceted danger, a national emergency, were often met with sneering
dismissal. Even on the left, some insisted that those who thought of Trump as aberrant and sought
nightly salvation in a tankard of Chardonnay and the Rachel Maddow show ignored America's complicated
legacy.
Was Trump really so much worse than his predecessors?
You know, the tankard is an underrated vessel for wine. I think it really lets it breathe.
That's good.
It's hard to find space in the French for this.
It just last week. Fantastic. Let's have some.
I'm just going to take this to its logical conclusion. David, thank you for being here.
God, thank you.
So everybody was telling us a decade ago, right up to the top, everybody was telling us a decade ago
that this was just a, oh, I'll help. I've had the flu. This can't hurt. Just telling us that this guy
was not discontinuous. This guy was just another step in America's long, you know, long path down
a terrible, terrible, terrible path that we've been on for generations. I feel like those people
were wrong from the very beginning. You feel like the country's waking up to him now.
Well, it's about damn time.
I mean, you know, I've been right about some things and wrong about some things. But I distinctly remember the night of election night 2016 when the New Yorker had zero prepared to put on its website, should Trump win? We just badly underestimated, you know, his vote. And so I don't want to get ahead of ourselves about tomorrow. I really don't. I keep sending polls to my wife and she keeps rocketing them back saying I don't believe in Trump.
So let's all stipulate that. But let's all stipulate that people very quickly got comfortable with the idea of Trump as president. I hate that overused word, but normalize it because you have to psychology. You know, we'd see him do something semi-normal and everybody would get on cable television and talk about this is the night that Donald Trump became president. You know, that he's finally grown into this office. But, you know, we now watch him.
And we can't believe our eyes. These rants about how he could have won the Vietnam War in a week, how on the eve of an election he goes on about the reflecting pool. This is just ordinary fare. We don't even bother televising it half the time. On election eve, he starts bombing and, you know, Persian Gulf again. Yes, everybody's used to this. But I do think finally, and the results we'll have to see tomorrow, I don't want to get too far ahead.
A lot of people, except for the hardcore, you know, diamond hard MAGA base, have just said, no, I'm out. I'm out. They watched what happened with Doge, as you led the show with.
Some of them recognized just how many people's lives were lost because of eliminating so many government agencies that did real work in public health around the world. This and this and this and this.
And they finally just said, we can't do this. So now you have this, the possibility, the possibility of real inroads and a severe defeat for Donald Trump. Let it be so.
What do you make of the designs that he and his administration made on the midterms and the magnitude of the threat that they posed to them? I posited in the in the A block in the open that I think they tried to do their worst. And I think at.
I failed. And they failed. They failed. And they're and you know, it's not over. Obviously, tomorrow's Election Day. And I think what happens in the in the days and weeks after the Election Day is going to be really important. I've kind of blocked out from now until. Well, you pointed out, for example, Alaska's results might not come in for many, many days. And you might see that here and there. But as Bart Gellman really in a very extensive piece in The New Yorker pointed out, there are a lot of attempts that have been blocked in the courts. You know, we Jacob Weisberg
has a book called, you know, it's profiles of cap in cowardice. Yeah, take off on profiles encourage, obviously. But there really were people who are courageous. There were not everybody was a university president who folded. Not everybody was in media who folded. Some people stood up and did their jobs in a democracy. What concerns me because there'll always be something that concerns me is what if we get an autocrat that's better at it? Yeah. And Donald Trump, who's less stupid.
Who's less absurd, who's less comical and buffoonish, who's much shrewder. We are not so what this experience has proved to us already many times over is that we are not so exceptional that we are immune to these kinds of viruses. We are deeply vulnerable. And what you know, I was thinking today, you probably saw the news about the charges being thrown out against two very senior
FBI agent. So two senior FBI officials who had been charged sort of inexplicably, not by a grand jury, but with a criminal information, essentially a statement from the Justice Department, went before a magistrate judge today in Washington, DC. And the judge said, this is there's no probable cause here. He apologized not only to the FBI officials who had been charged, but even to the Justice Department lawyers who had been put up to trying to bring these ridiculous charges against them. And the thing that
struck me in that reporting was that the gallery, the public spectators room in that courtroom was reportedly filled with FBI agents and FBI officials fired by Kash Patel and fired by Donald Trump who were there to stand up for their colleagues. And it made me think, well, I'm sure that's what these guys call the deep state. But that's what I think a lot of Americans would call law enforcement being cognizant of the threat to their own ethics, to their own standing and being willing to stand up for
each other.
Sure. But anybody who knows what's going on in the Justice Department, as well as other government agencies,
will tell you that a great deal of hollowing out has also occurred.
Yeah.
And not just the Justice Department, that they have succeeded in forcing people out,
exhausting people into retirement, firing people.
You look at the Pentagon, you speak to military officials, you know, who are decent people
who want the best for the defense of our country.
And they look at the way that Pete Hegseth has, for reasons having to do with his own
bigotries and craziness, you know, has hollowed out real experienced people in the Pentagon
too, which leaves us vulnerable and weaker and less able to do the job that they have
to do.
And this is across the board in the government.
And one other cautionary note, no matter how the elections go tomorrow, let's say it is
a great blue wave, he's still the president for two years.
That's right.
With nothing to lose.
And the only thing we can depend on is, again, courage in various institutions and among
various individuals, but his own maybe increasing indifference and craziness and obsession with
things that matter less.
You know, it's almost as if we are in a position where we're glad that he spends all this time
on, you know—
And Grandpa gets to play with his toys.
Exactly.
Maybe he'll get interested in toy ships next.
Yeah.
Well, I'd say there's one other.
There's one other thing that we can count on, David.
And to you.
And to you.
Oh, my God.
This is a lot of wine.
You are the one who raised the issue of tankards.
I do.
Yeah.
To your health.
And to yours.
Ooh.
Yum.
Ouch.
David Remnick.
It's something about the glassware, I'm just going to say.
David Remnick is the editor of The New Yorker, which is the most important publication in
the English language.
Bless you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
Much more news ahead here tonight.
Stay with us.
Trump's Justice Department seems to be trying really hard and also failing really hard to
monkey wrench these elections.
You've heard the phrase, though, the process is the punishment.
One of the things Trump's DOJ has been doing is to use subpoenas to essentially tie up
and harass elections officials who have a lot of other work they need to be doing right
now.
In Nevada, for example, the administration has been doing a lot of work to get the elections
In Nevada, for example, the administration has buried the state's top election official
with seven subpoenas in less than three months.
Reuters reports, quote, the subpoenas have buried Nevada Secretary of State Cisco Aguilar
in paperwork, distracting him not only from the job he was elected to do, but also from
his own re-election campaign.
Meanwhile, our own Carol Lennick has been reporting on grand jury subpoenas that Trump's
DOJ has issued now to elections officials in California.
These subpoenas direct employees of the L.A.
County Registrar's Office that they must show up to testify in person, bringing with
them voluminous documentation demanded in the subpoena, and they need to show up the
very morning after the election, when they should be very busy at their day jobs processing
millions of California ballots.
We've been talking tonight about all the various Trump administration attempts at election
meddling that have been blocked, but these grand jury subpoenas to California election
officials, commanding them to appear Wednesday morning, they do appear to be still in
force.
Joining us now is MSNOW Senior Investigative Reporter Carol Lennick.
Carol, it's great to see you.
Thank you for being here.
Of course.
Am I right that these subpoenas are still in force as far as we know?
Yes, as far as we know.
There's another lawsuit that's tried to block the Homeland Security Agency from threatening
election officials, but this one hasn't really been blocked yet.
And it's worrisome to a lot of people in law enforcement because it's part of a pattern
of going after people and trying to tell them, hey, you might be doing this wrong.
And we might be able to hold you responsible.
You know, it has a chilling effect.
And that's what California officials told us.
Is there a practical effect that it will have, aside from the chilling or cowing or
otherwise worrying and distracting officials, is there a practical effect that these subpoenas
would have in terms of these officials' ability to do their job?
You know, I'm going to cite another judge's opinion in the DHS lawsuit where people were
suing DHS saying, stop threatening California election officials with not segregating the
election, but they're segregating these alleged, potentially, prospectively, questionably
noncitizen voters.
In that opinion by Chief Judge Jeb Boasberg in D.C., he said, I'm worried about, and I'm
paraphrasing him here, he used the phrase buckling.
I'm worried about election officials buckling to fears, their own fears about them potentially
doing something wrong.
And what could that do to denying voters who are actually?
Legitimate voters from voting.
If you are afraid that you're supposed to, that you're on the hook for something that
you don't think you did wrong, but you're not sure what this administration might pull
out of its trick bag, will you possibly deny a real voter the chance to vote?
The black box worry that I have about these elections is something that you've addressed
in your reporting.
FBI agents telling you last week that they are concerned they will be asked to confront
or confiscate ballots.
The reason this is a bigger worry than the other kinds of worries is because if federal
agents do come in, whether they're DHS agents or FBI agents, they come in and they take
ballots before they've been counted or before the vote has been certified, there's a real
question as to whether or not it's possible to responsibly ascertain the actual results
of that election once the chain of custody is broken over actual ballots.
And FBI.
You are a really close reader.
Super impressed.
But it's, I mean, FBI agents.
I'm telling you, they're worried this is going to be asked of them.
That that to me is a different type of threat than all of these others that have been blocked
by the courts.
We are now seeing in state government, the governor of California, the attorney general
of another state court per your reporting, per new reporting today, election officials
from a third state writing to federal district judges in those states saying, we essentially
want to set up some sort of communication line with you.
In advance to preclude this from happening in the first place or to nip it in the bud
immediately if it does.
Is that the most aggressive legal defense against that dangerous threat?
Good question.
I want to be careful because I don't want to put any sources in danger, but there is
something more dramatic going on that we will report in real time tomorrow if it happens.
Okay.
But I'm being super tense about that.
I apologize.
I would just answer your question.
The reason we wrote about the FBI agents' fears was because they're not saying this
is going to happen.
They are saying they're fearful of it because they've seen an administration force and pressure
and browbeat and threaten with firing agents to do other things that are across their red
line.
And this seizure makes them anxious.
There is a way in which democracy advocate groups, and I don't want to say the way, but
there is a way they are reaching out.
There is a way they are reaching out to FBI agents to make sure they know what to do if
they're given an illegal order or one they consider to be possibly illegal.
And on the lighter side of things, Rachel, there is now like a Schoolhouse Rock style
video that's being presented on, sorry, I dated myself by saying that.
No, I'm right there with you.
But there's now a video out that's super sweetie pie and explains to FBI, forgive me, explains
to state election officials.
Here's what's going on.
Here's what to do if an FBI agent comes in and says, I want your ballots.
I want your machines.
Wow.
And I'll send it to you so you can show it to people tomorrow night.
Right on.
Carol Lennig, we are, as always, so grateful to have you here at MSNOW and so grateful
for reporting.
We draft in your wake.
Get back to work.
Thank you so much, Carol.
Yes, ma'am.
Appreciate it.
All right.
We'll be right back.
Stay with us.
So I'm going to be part of our big election coverage tomorrow night, starting at 6 p.m.
Eastern here on MSNOW.
People keep asking me, like, give me an individual race you're watching.
Give me, oh, there's all the, you know, hundreds of races all across the country, the Senate
races, the governor's races, the House.
Give me just one to watch.
Here's one.
And in a normal election, you probably wouldn't give this race a second thought.
But I'm always sort of on the lookout for the next George Santos.
And here is what.
I think might be the closest we're going to get this time around.
It's the second congressional district in Nevada.
Now, since this gigantic district was first drawn in the 1980s, this district in Nevada
has always and only been held by a Republican.
Literally no Democrat has ever held this seat.
There is a Republican member of Congress who currently holds the seat.
He is retiring as David.
His name is Mark Amaday.
But in the in the primary.
In the Republican Party in Nevada, Republicans nominated a really exceptional candidate to
try to run for Mark Amaday's seat.
They picked a retired Air Force officer.
He has made his military record absolutely central to his campaign.
But that has become a real problem for him because he now admits that he has repeatedly
exaggerated the story he tells publicly about earning a bronze star in the military.
There are two kinds of bronze stars, one recognizes service, the other recognizes
Valor in Combat. This candidate, his name is David Flippo, because why not? Mr. Flippo,
he won the first kind of Bronze Star, the one that's just for your service. But he has claimed
repeatedly and incorrectly that he won the second kind of Bronze Star, that he won the one for
Valor. That is a very rare, very prestigious military honor that recognizes Valor in Combat.
His campaign called it an honest mistake by his staff. Mr. Flippo at one point blamed his
grandchildren, saying it was his grandchildren who put the wrong military V for Valor insignia
on a hat that he has been wearing on the campaign trail. Really? Blaming your grandkids?
Mr. Flippo has also repeatedly claimed to have served during Operation Desert Storm in the
1990s. He has said that during his military service, he was, quote, in the desert,
in 1991. The problem being that during Operation Desert Storm, David Flippo was in the student
union. He was a student at Montana State University, which is a lot of things, but not in
the desert. The Republican who currently holds this seat, Mark Amaday, who's retiring, keeps
doing interviews where he says David Flippo is a fraud and no one should vote for him under any
circumstances. I should tell you that coming up on The Last Word tonight, Lawrence is going to
interview David Flippo's Democrat.
Opponent in this race. You will want to see that. We'll be right back.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Election night coverage begins at 6 p.m. Eastern, when key early results from Indiana and Kentucky start flowing, particularly in the race to replace Republican Congressman Andy Barr.
The Trump administration’s attempts to manipulate elections—such as creating a fake national voter list using stolen federal data—have been decisively blocked by federal courts, including the Supreme Court.
The administration’s claims about thousands of non-citizens voting in states like California and Nevada were based on a fraudulent, data-aggregated "Doge list" that was legally invalidated by the Supreme Court.
Multiple states, including California and Nevada, have preemptively reached out to federal courts to prepare for potential ballot seizures, highlighting widespread legal resistance to federal overreach.
The FBI and election officials report growing fear of being ordered to seize or confiscate ballots before certification, a threat seen as more dangerous than prior actions due to its potential to destroy election integrity.
A high-profile congressional race in Nevada’s 2nd district features a Republican candidate, David Flippo, who has repeatedly exaggerated or falsely claimed military honors and service, raising concerns about credibility and election integrity.
Despite aggressive efforts to undermine elections, the administration has failed in all major attempts, and public officials, from state governments to federal agencies, are increasingly standing up to protect democratic processes.
The broader pattern shows that autocratic attempts to consolidate power through election interference have been thwarted by institutional courage, legal rulings, and public awareness.
Summary:
m. Eastern, marking the start of early results from key battlegrounds like Indiana and Kentucky, particularly in the race to replace Congressman Andy Barr. The Trump administration’s aggressive attempts to manipulate elections—centered on a fraudulent "Doge" data list aggregating personal information from federal agencies like Social Security and the IRS—have been decisively rejected by federal courts, including the Supreme Court, which ruled that such a fake national voter roll is invalid and cannot replace actual state rolls.
These efforts, including claims of thousands of non-citizen voters in California and Nevada, have been exposed as baseless and legally unsustainable. In response, state officials—including California’s governor and attorney general—are now actively preparing federal courts to block any ballot seizures, with FBI agents reporting deep concerns about being ordered to seize ballots before counting. This represents a critical threat to election integrity, especially in states like Alaska, where long-counting procedures are designed to ensure accuracy.
Despite these threats, democratic institutions and election officials remain resolute, refusing to buckle under pressure. The Nevada congressional race also draws attention due to a Republican candidate, David Flippo, who has repeatedly made false or exaggerated claims about military service and honors, raising red flags about campaign integrity. Overall, while the administration has pursued a campaign of chaos and misinformation, it has failed in every major effort, demonstrating that democratic safeguards and public vigilance are resilient.
The night underscores a broader truth: attempts to undermine elections through data manipulation, legal threats, and intimidation have been exposed as both legally and ethically indefensible, and the American electorate remains firmly committed to fair and free voting.
FAQs
The election night special coverage starts at 6 p.m. Eastern time tomorrow.
It marks when polls begin closing in key states like Indiana and Kentucky, and is when the first results are expected to emerge.
The second congressional district in Nevada, where a Republican candidate, David Flippo, is facing allegations of military service exaggerations.
Flippo claims to have earned a Valor in Combat Bronze Star and served in Operation Desert Storm, but evidence shows he was a student at Montana State University in 1991, not in the desert.
Yes, the Supreme Court blocked the Trump administration from using a fake 'Doge' voter list and from threatening election officials with criminal prosecution.
Federal agencies like the FBI and DHS are reportedly being warned of such actions, and state officials are preparing legal defenses to prevent it.
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