Mackenzie Undercover: Rideshare Rendezvous

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I love that when we get to actually meet people after the shows. Everybody has a little story whether it's a quick one or an update on a Patreon submission or just so that turned out well. Oh I love it! You say oh this is my wife or my husband and they're wonderful and I'm like stop talking that's all I want here! Don't say anything else! There's not enough gratitude in the world for whenever you guys come up and just share with us like I appreciate your podcast because it helped me do this or helped me get out of a bad relationship or whatever. It's just so cool because you don't know how you're impacting others and so that's just the biggest takeaway for me and just seeing you guys in person was amazing and you were so good! Told them a Kenzie undercover story, hilarious. I'm like she should do a little stand-up. Don't you guys think? I know she's like but I just like talking and I'm like yeah but all you have to do is talk and make sure it fits within whatever time allotment they've given you. People would love it and I also don't like when stand-up feels too scripted. I think it's fun when it feels like you're having a conversation almost. Yeah and I don't want to feel like I'm just up there telling jokes that aren't funny. I think I'll leave the stand-up comedy to you. Nobody wants to be up there feeling like they're telling jokes that aren't funny but that's part of the game sometimes. Oh my god. Well I guess for now we'll just keep doing these shows as we can and it's been so fun right? Yeah it's really amazing and then also shout out to you three lovely women who I won't out you because with our guests on the show I would like everybody to keep their privacy. Some of you came on stage and shared your stories at the point and man you've got stories but also you were all so wonderful everybody afterwards was coming up and talking to us and being like oh my gosh they were so funny. They were inspiring. They can't believe that. Yes but unfortunately I can. It was just really cool and for you guys to share your vulnerability like Hannah said in front of everyone the community just keeps growing and it's just incredible. Oh my god I'm obsessed with you guys obsessed. Also how many people want to become a PI after hearing your stories. I know and it was cool because we're in Florida and so every state governs their own private investigators and so being in Florida I was able to say this is what I know about Florida and y'all are Florida ends this is what you do and even the staff at the funny bone theaters were like hey I just wanted to know a little bit more information myself and I'm like welcome to our community. We need to start a class a full former course. Yeah shout out to both funny bones in Orlando and Tampa for being such wonderful hosts too. And also we were on the news. Man so much is going on. We're very grateful for you. WFLA news channel eight which will be airing today at 10 a.m. Eastern time. Check it out. So today's Monday which we have a new episode come out every Monday. So today's Monday if you're listening to this later then it's already out. So whatever you do the math y'all WFLA news channel. We'll put it on our socials which are dating smart gifts podcast and as always if you want to email us investigate at the datingdetectivespodcast.com if you have a story. I hope you don't. We are both I think still reeling a little bit but today's going to be maybe a little bit lighter. We got a Mackenzie and a cabin for us. I do but you guys I have a special surprise for you. Hannah has a little Hannah Hannah undercover. It's a Hannah undercover as an Uber passenger and then the driver told me a story so it's an Uber undercover. Totally not my god. It's a doozy and I feel like you should share it Hannah. Okay I'll share it because it's basically a PI undercover story and the fact that he told me the story on the way to our show. I was late to our call time because he was like she was late for sound check because of it. I was like guys it was worth it. I feel like I have to share it because it's so on point. Okay let's get into it. Let's get into it. So a podcast host walks into an Uber wearing pink and holding six pink dresses in this guy. He was a charmer. Big personality. He's like where are you going? I didn't know I was picking up such a hotly or some awkward comment guys. Okay let's calm down with the floor to act. Okay I love it. I love it. I'm just kidding. It was perfect. I said I didn't know I was getting such a perfect driver for me on my way to my show. I need this kind of compliment. Thank you sir. And he said your show. Tell me about your show. I told him what I did what we were doing and he said oh do I have a story for you. Oh boy. Everybody does but nobody has a story like this. So he's an Uber driver as we know. Let's call him Doug. Doug feels right. So I tell him that my co-host is a private investigator and he said well I'm not a private investigator but I kind of have done some private investigating. Yeah we all have but what do you mean? And I'm thinking going on Instagram and looking up your ex no no no. So he said I met a woman and this part I said it on stage when I told you guys too. I don't remember if he said she was a driver. No she was a passenger of his or if they just met at a Walgreens which either way the Walgreens thing is so funny I have to mention it. So maybe it's just a friend from Walgreens. He said she's a nice lady or seemingly kind of wealthy lady. It sounded like he was kind of attracted to her but maybe he's just attracted to women in general because he was pretty liberal with his complimenting but I felt safe anyway. So he says she reached out to me after we'd met sent me a text and said I have a job for you. I would like to pay you $500 to pick me up and you and I are going to follow my husband. I think he's cheating. So in so many words it starts the same way as your stories Mackenzie. Yes I think my husband's cheating and okay is that legal? To just pay a random Uber driver off under the table $500 to follow your husband Mackenzie. So it's not legal because if he takes money to do a surveillance but he's not licensed it's illegal. Bad. If he follows somebody without a license bad. Unlicensed activity is felonious. Don't do it. Okay so I'm sitting in the back and I'm like all right Doug. I feel like I know I'm not recording. I'm not on the clock. I feel like I have to tell you that's not legal. What did you do? And he says it was $500. So he took the money and he showed up. He shows up at her house. It's his gorgeous house. He's telling me what he thinks the value is. He was like I was on Zillow the rest of the day trying to find out how much of this house was. I was like okay Doug you and I are sisters but he picked her up and drove down the block like you tell us you do and she went in the back seat so that her husband wouldn't see her if he came out and they waited. This is so fun. Her husband comes out I guess with golf clubs put some in the car. Starts driving. They follow him. They follow him through a pretty normal day. I think he does what he says he was going to do. I said were you nervous that you were going to get caught? What if he thought his wife was with another man? What if he did something and he said well he did catch me. I'm like what what happened? Luckily he didn't actually get caught and confronted but the guy started making some pretty funky turns as he was driving so much so that he's probably wondering if he's being followed and then trying to lose him which probably happens to you too. I assume they do they do all these crazy maneuvers to see if you'll follow them through like seven left turns. So eventually his wife who's ducking in the back seat tucking her roll and says okay he knows he's being followed let's just go back so he drops her off he wasn't cheating $500 no harm done. There was a time back in college where I thought credit cards were basically free money. I just wasn't paying attention to my finances but monarch has helped me rewrite how my finances play out in my life. 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If you have an iPhone, head to ladder.fit/dating detectives and take a quick quiz to find your perfect ladder plan. Use our link and get a free seven day trial with no credit card and $10 off your first month if you join. A little bit later, maybe a couple weeks, he gets another message from the same woman that says, okay, now I want to give you $1,000 to pick me up and take me to Miami. He's going on a trip and I think he's staying with another woman. Let's do it this weekend, $1,000. And Doug's like, ooh, I really should not go to Miami. $1,000. $1,000, $1,000. And then the real kicker for him, she said, actually, I don't think we need to take your car because he's not going to assume that my car is down there. So you can drive my car and I have a Porsche. And Doug's like, I'll be there in 10. Let's go. I want to drive that Porsche down to Miami. So he goes to her house, he picks her up, they go down to Miami. So they get down to the hotel, he waits. He does not go in with her. And I think that is a pretty good idea. What this woman went on to do is go through the entire hotel staff, the kitchen staff, the front desk, the valet, everyone, housekeeping. She says, I'm going to give you a tip right now. If you see anyone other than one man coming in and out of that room, I think my husband's cheating and I would love you to let me know. Everybody was on board. Maybe this woman is just a master social engineer like you McKenzie. She got people to be like, bet where what's the room? What's your number? This guy's not getting away with anything. And sure enough, apparently the kitchen staff reaches out to her. We got a room service order for that room, and it is a romantic meal for two, you know, like bottle of wine, two nice meals. So what does she do? She goes up the elevator, goes to the room, waits for the room service cart to roll up. And when they knock on the door, she is standing there with the room service and says, hello, it's me, your wife. I don't know what happened from there. I don't know what Doug ended up doing. I don't think he got arrested. I told him he should not have done that, but I'm glad he did because he told me. And that's Doug's undercover story. I was peeing my pants that he had done that. That is so funny only because I don't think the general population knows that you can't just do that. That's called talking. I said they're not allowed. And so this poor guy's probably like, hey, this is free money, whatever, like he doesn't realize that he could literally be arrested. Ignorance is no excuse from the law, right? Just because you didn't know, doesn't mean you can't get in trouble. But this guy's like, hey, that's money. And have you heard the cases where the people are hiring DoorDash to go deliver something to someone tells just to see what cars in the driveway. They're like, yeah, I'll give you an extra tell me what cars open that door. Our audience at the live show. I really love that story too because I love that it was real time and it happened right then when you were in Florida. Literally like hours before. And then when I shared it in Orlando towards the beginning of the show, after I finished it, somebody said, I have a question and raised their hand and I looked over and I was like, is that my mom? It was. And she did. She wanted to know why couldn't she have just told her husband, like I just happened to be in Miami. Like I was just, I just stumbled upon you. And I was like, I think that would work. That's not how the show works. Well, yeah, first I was like, this is not how it works. You just get to ask question whenever you want. But then I was like, but you can have two more through other show. Use them. But then yeah, I was like, I think it would kind of blow that cover the fact that she showed up at his door with the room service is not something you just happen to do. Well, also he doesn't have time to make an excuse. It's just right there. It's time to confront this. We're doing this like right here right now. But that can also be dangerous. So disclaimer, don't do that because the confrontations are what scare me the most because you never know how someone's going to react when pushed into a corner. And that can be really dangerous. So that's something I wouldn't condone just because I've seen situations where people actually confront somebody and then they just lose their shit right there. At least if you have to do that, bring someone, have someone at your house with you. Some kind of mediator or someone to, yeah. But it's funny that you have this Uber story to tell because this McKinsey undercover story is about an Uber situation. We are on theme today. Uber undercover, baby. You're going to love it. Even that we couldn't confirm your Uber guy's story, I feel like there's got to be so many rideshare undercover stories that we're missing out on. I love it. And some of the stuff you guys you can't make up, you honestly just can't make the stuff up. So when I got this story, this was actually one of those cases where the wife, mid thirties, husband's working Uber just to kind of make ends meet, right? Little bit of extra cash. And you know, there's door dashers, Uber, there's there's all these different opportunities that Amazon deliveries, you can do all that stuff and just earn some extra coin, right? But when this wife called me or can call her Melissa, she wasn't even sure that her husband was cheating. But she kind of had this feeling like the math ain't math and like he's not bringing home enough to justify the amount of time he's gone. So clearly, it feels like there's something going on with the Uber driving. Maybe he's doing something different. But she said as far as she knows, he's never actually cheated on her before but she's had suspicions before because he's acted weird. And she's like, I just want to know like he's out of the house. So what happened exactly when she called you? She even bring up cheating as a possibility. Was she happy to call you or like, I can't believe I'm doing this. That's a really good question because a lot of people when they call me, they do feel ashamed. They feel embarrassed because it's like I guess it could be nothing, but it's got them to wish in phone call where they're like, I know something is going on. I have a feeling something is going on or I need more proof or I know, but I whatever. So she was just very almost like embarrassed. It's like you don't call the cops when you hear a noise in your house because you're like, oh, it's probably nothing. I would be stupid, right? And that could be a burglar. You have no idea. So when she called me, she said, you know, I'm not really sure what's going on, but I could really use some help and I'm a girls girl. And of course, I'm like, you know what? You don't know what you don't know. So I'm happy to take this on for you. And she's like, there's just no proof, but he's making this extra money. So I'm going to use it to hire a P.I. Especially if it's not nearly as much as it seems like it should be if he's wafered 12 hours a day. And he's like, I made $26, which then again, I mean, I don't know what the Uber, I'm curious people who drive like, what are the margins? Because I feel like they're not as good as they should be. But that's another conversation. So she knew something had changed. And so her husband, the Uber driver, it's called Jason, he's been driving Uber for about three years, right? And he would drive on Thursday through Saturday nights, because those are the money makers. People are going out to bars, and they're going out to restaurants, events. And so those are the most profitable times, okay? And it also gave him the perfect explanation for literally everything. Why were you at it 2 a.m. Airport run? Why were you parked at the same apartment? Come bucks for 45 minutes. I was waiting on a passenger. So anywhere he was, he could just say, oh, I'm driving the Uber. Right. Totally. So interesting. And then also his hours are clear. If somebody's ride at the end of the night is way too long, you might get back at a different time than you said you would. Exactly. And so you just never know. Or if somebody says like, your guy, hey, I'll give you $500 to go here. And you're like, hey, 500 bucks, 500 bucks, let's add some time to this. But it's also interesting that they know their location. If somebody's driving on a rideshare app, you do know where someone's going. So even if they stop to hanky, panky, you'll see that. Uber will tell you they'll be like, hey, what's going on? I've had an Uber take me to a drive-through before. And they're like, Uber's yelling at me, like, why are you at one location for too long? Well, you're right. Like they know. But Melissa believed him for the longest time. But then she started noticing little things. I know this happens for me too. I don't notice something wrong right away. It stays in my head. But then I notice patterns. So then later on, something will come up that contradicts that. And then now there's a pattern. So then I start to see, oh my gosh, something is wrong. So he would always come home after his last ride. But recently, he would stay out like another hour or two. And basically his Uber earnings just weren't increasing despite the extra time he claimed to be Ubering. So she knows the Matthew, Matthew. And as soon as he got home, no matter where he was going, he would always shower. Like he would, especially when he was home late, he would come home and shower right away. Which we see that is the right flag, right? Like that's. Yeah. He's trying to wash off someone else's perfume or like smoke from the bar with the boys that he's not telling her or the casino. He's doing something he doesn't want her to know. Exactly. And then there's the passenger seat. So you know, Uber drivers, they drive their own cars most of the time. He had always kept like a phone charger, bottled water, miscellaneous Uber stuff there. And that's like being a PI on surveillance. I always have like snacks and I've got my makeup and I've got all these things that passenger seat and they're in my little backpack and it was just driving. And she said suddenly he started keeping it completely empty. And so she's like, where's all your stuff? Why isn't it in the back seat? And you need that. Like she would get the car and she'd go, I just have in the back seat. And it was never in the front seat. Like you have to carry passengers in the back seat. What are you doing? Interesting. What was his explanation? Did he have one or just like, oh, I moved it. Yeah. Like he would just brush it off. Look over there. Look at his traction. He was like brush it off. It was always something that she couldn't prove. He always had an explanation. And so how do you call someone a cheater? Because there's nothing in their passenger seat. But these are the things that she noticed. You guys, you guys, I'm so excited because I just got the keys to my new Barbie studio and it's going to be a place where I can record content. And I found so much good stuff on Wayfair. Oh my gosh. I was like, how am I going to decorate this space? I go on Wayfair and find everything Hannah. You have to come see it. I want pictures. And I also love that you're using this as an example because I think people think of Wayfair as a furniture store, which it is. But it's so much more than just bedroom, living room, kitchen. There's so many office things. I was looking for some pretty specific pieces of furniture that I needed for recording this show. And it was there. Rugs to core. Anything for everything. There's great value. The quality is really great. 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And Polly Shore was dating this really nice girl and the family hated him and then they tried to frame him for something and so they determined that he couldn't have done it based on the fact that the brother or somebody had pushed the car seat all the way back. So he couldn't have been driving because he's too short. Oh my gosh. Something like that. Anyway, that's what it reminded me of. So she's like, what was happening here? Yeah, she's like, why is the seat pulled all the way back and she had to pull it forward a little bit. And she said that same time that she gets into the car, she sees a long, blonde hair caught between the seat and the center console. And she has dark, dark brown hair. But Jason, the Uber driver, her husband, he laughs and says, people get in my car. Like, duh. You're gonna find other people's hands. Unfortunately, I get it. Like I get him saying, yes, some people sit in the front and they were really tall and she dropped her phone between the seat switch. I do all most every other day. Exactly. And he's like, I literally drive strangers around for a living. You're going to find other people's hair in my car. There's probably some kind of like crime scene evidence in here. There's no telling other people are in my car all the time. And it really is a perfectly reasonable explanation. But that's what bothered her the most is that everything had a perfectly reasonable explanation. And she's like, I don't like it. Too reasonable. Yeah. Too reasonable. Too easy to explain away. And so what do you do? So she follows me. And if you're new here, I'm gonna find out. So the first two nights of surveillance complete nightmare. I'm sure there's other private investigators listening going, oh my god, yes, because imagine when you're a private investigator, you have to follow people around and see what they're doing. But an Uber driver, you have a greater chance of getting busted because like the longer you're on someone and by on them, I mean, tailing them, the greater chance they have of noticing you when you're getting busted. So that's really hard kind of staying far away. There's no predictable route. You don't know where they're going. These Uber drivers are pulling in places and out places in a couple of seconds and doing apartment complex out of an apartment complex. They'd pick someone up, drive across town, drop them off, head somewhere else. You it's so unpredictable that at least you know he's driving Uber. That information because you could have been doing none of that. And they have like they track their times and stuff. So like he can prove all of this stuff, right? But also to make extra money, I don't know if you guys have ever been in an Uber and they're like, Hey, if you have, if you need another ride, just call me directly. And it gives them a little bit extra money. They don't have to do it for the app so that they can bypass the fees that they're charged by Uber. Uber gets a cut, right? So I guess by doing that, they just make a little bit more money. So he would always explain it as I'm just, it's money for us. And we're just, this is how we're going to make more money. And so I couldn't tell which stops were legitimate passengers and which ones weren't. Like you can't tell. Like you just presume that they're all legitimate. And some would get into the front seat, some would get to the back seat. So it's no shocker. Like, oh, so we get the front seat, not the back seat. Like, if there's four girls, they're going to get three in the back one in the front, right? Totally. Were you looking for a tall blonde like the one who might have been the seat? Yeah, but literally they're all tall blondes. It was just so much different potential for who this is. Yeah, it's almost like you just truly can't take anything too seriously. You just have to observe and report. Yep. Well, on the third day of surveillance, I went out on a weekend and at 11.40 pm, according to my report, the he drops off two passengers downtown, right? Well, instead of immediately accepting another He drove about eight miles to a residential neighborhood and he barks in front of this townhouse. Well, I didn't know at the time that this wasn't another ride. I just thought, okay, now he's heading to another ride. No one comes outside. Usually people are waiting for their Uber and so they get in right away. This one was a little bit longer. Ten minutes go by. Then 20. Jason never leaves the car. He's just sitting there. He's waiting. He's talking on the phone. He's texting. I can see what he's doing in his car. I use my little, my video camera to zoom in. And I'm just documenting this is what he's doing. And how far back did you park? How, how close can you get? Every situation is different. So in this case, the street was very long. And there were other cars parked on the side of the road. So I was able to just parallel park. And I could see what he was doing and blend in with other cars. But again, getting later at night, you can get busted more easily because there's less cars to blend in with. So the fewer cars on the road and you're the only one sticking out. It just gets really difficult with this kind of situation, right? Yeah. Well, finally, a woman comes out of the townhouse. She walks directly to the passenger side of the car. But she didn't behave like an Uber passenger. Like, you know, when you get an Uber, you look at the tag number and you're looking into the window. Like, hi. And they're like, are you, are you McKenzie? Are you the one? And you're like, yeah. And then you confirm and then you get in the back seat or whatever. You're supposed to ask them. Hi. What's my name? Because that way you can confirm that they are your driver. There's also a safety feature where you can turn on a pin. So you have to give them a pin and number. Yep. Yeah. People don't know that. Okay, keep going. Sorry. Just say, no, it's true. That's, I'm glad that you pointed out because that is, you know, for safety. But she opens the door. She doesn't look at her phone or check the license plate. None of the stuff that I would do and that I feel like most women should do. So, but more importantly, Jason lean to cross the center console before she gets inside. Like, I guess to, I don't know. Yeah, you don't know, but we can imagine. But we can imagine. So he leans across the center console. She smiles. She gets in whatever. What's going through your head when you see that? Every stop he would make. I was like, who is this it? Is this it? Is so everything. So every stop. I was like, this is it. And so I'm like, you know, every time. So I was just like the other stops. I was like, oh, this is her. She's going to be the flusy, whatever. Well, she gets into the car and they kiss. Like they, he leans over to center console. She meets him halfway and they kiss. So I'm like, this is the one thing. The windows are tented, but not dark tented. Like I can see silhouettes. I just can't see super clear. But you can see inside the vehicle. And romantic. Right. And there's street lights. And he's parked in front of a street lights. So the street lights coming into his windshield. And I'm looking at his car from the back. I can see pretty clearly. Like you can see the silhouettes pretty clearly. What's going on? So they kiss. I get the video. And that alone was enough to confirm Melissa's suspicions. Right. But the strangest, like the most interesting evidence was not yet. Like we didn't. So they do their thing. They kiss. They're hanging out. And they drive around for a little bit together. They drive to a plaza with a CVS, like a wall grain. Like McDonald's, like places that are 24 hours. And they drove over there together. And then they would come back. It wasn't more than 30 minutes. They weren't even going in and getting stuff. No, but they would sit in the parking lot. And so I'm thinking, OK, I see why he's doing that. He's making it look like he's taking someone here. And then waiting. And then going back. So I can see at the end how. Oh, he could write this office. Oh, it was an uber pickup. Oh, that pisses me off because. OK, first of all, ladies don't sleep with the married man. But if you're sleeping with any man. He is like, yeah, I'll hang out with you. But only at 1140 at night, we have to make a couple of drives to make it look like I'm. Could you imagine my car? I'm like. That is the most. It. Diabolical. Like that's so stupid. Here at the dating detectives, we are not afraid to promote pleasure, especially for women. But for all people. And that's why we're sponsored by we vibe. We vibe offers app enabled toys winking toys for all genders. And it's revolutionized the sex toy industry. 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And I couldn't have a chance to meet up. So I ended up calling her. Anyways, I tell her the information. That night Melissa confronts Jason. And he denies everything. He's like, that didn't happen. That's not true. But at this point, I hadn't sent her the video because it takes, it's a process. You got to upload to all the thing. I had only told her what happened so far. And I, I'm scared for her to tell him that she hired a PI because I feel like a lot of men would not handle that. Yeah, it's just not handled well. But he insisted that the woman that he picked up. He said that's a regular Uber passenger. She had just become a friend. And so it tells him, yeah, when she tells him this PI got you kissing. And he's like, he claimed that the video was misleading. And that from the angle of the surveillance video, a hug could look like a kiss. And he admits that he hugged her. But he never kissed her. Like the video explain why you drove her to CVS and nobody got out. Right. Exactly. So then he makes a mistake. Jason says, if you don't believe me, check the dash cam. You'll see that there was nobody that I made out with. I was thinking about the dash cam. I wondered if that was X or if you could act. So here's the thing is that he told her, go check the dash cam. And you'll see that none of that ever happened. Well, the dash cam videotapes the traffic in front of you. But it also videotapes inside the car. And with Uber, I don't know if it's required, but I know now I think it is or maybe it's. I know sometimes I don't know sometimes I get into an Uber and it says just letting you know you could you're going to be recorded. So he had a dual facing dash cam. And he actually got his after a drunk driver had damaged his car the previous year. And then he was in this whole litigation. So he was like, let me get a dash cam. So from now on, if something happens, I can prove, you know, that was the only reason he actually got the dash cam. And so, anyways, it records the interior for, you know, his protection, passengers, whatever, he can document everything, which is great. And he was confident that his footage would tell the story. And he tells Melissa to check the dash cam, but he thought that it only records when he's doing the Uber because that's all he needs to. And I don't know if this is manual, like turn it on, turn it off, turn it on, turn it off situation. Either way, the camera didn't only record while he was actively transporting a passenger. It happened to Keshe, a kiss or two, a pack. Yeah. And so Melissa pulls out the memory card, right. And she goes to the previous surveillance and they had already been overwritten. The time had passed, they'd already been over, but there was one clip that she still found and it was the townhouse clip, the same exact video that I got from outside the car. She got the same exact video from inside the car from the office from the front. So now you have his dash cam and my surveillance video showing the same exact thing. And the time stamps were exact to the second to the second. So his camera, it shows her opening the door gets inside. She kisses him and she can also hear because it's recording audio. I was going to say does it. Okay. So Florida is a two party consent state. So you have to have two parties consent to audio. But if you accept a ride and it says you will be recorded inside this vehicle, you're basically saying, okay, I consent. What about the fact that this passenger will or is it not accepting a ride technically? 'Cause it matters that it's his private-- - I don't think so. I think you still have to have two party consent. Anybody could probably fight and say, like, "Oh, but she didn't have cons." Yeah, it's inadmissible, but it's still, she could still watch it. Like, they don't mean it don't exist. Like, she still can see it, right? So she pulls this footage and the whole time that they are in the car and they're driving to CVS and McDonald's. They are laughing and she even mentions the camera. She said, "Oh, he said, "No, that's okay. "It only records when I'm doing Uber." Like, he told her it was not recording and he starts talking about how, when the wife goes out of town again and they're making plans for when they're gonna meet up and they're talking about how she can actually come to his house now and they don't have to just sit in the car and all of this stuff. And so they're actually having a conversation and laughing at her, which by the way, when I talked to her the last time, she wasn't mad that he was cheating because I feel like she already knew. So she was like already over it. Like, she already had processed it. So she wasn't super angry, but she was mad that they were mocking her in a car that has her name. Her name is on this vehicle that she's paying for and they're in her car talking shit about her about how they're gonna cheat on her next and how when she goes out of town, they're gonna get together. - Both of these people need help. Like, that is so mean. - Yeah, it's so mean. And imagine you're calling me, you're already vulnerable because you're calling me, right? And so you're already like ashamed a little embarrassed that you have to call a PI to see if your man's cheating but also to find out that you're being mocked and made fun of or whatever. But I hope she had a good cry and then said, all right, fuck her. Let's go. Now I'm worked with evidence, right? Well, she ends up getting ahold of Uber and gets him banned from ever driving from Uber again. And I don't know exactly how, but she basically said that he was manipulating their system or something. I don't know what she told them, but I know she was like, I got him banned. She told me that she got him banned from driving Uber ever again. She did divorce him like she said, that's it, I'm done. Like you're not going to make fun of me. Like she's like, fuck cheating on me. She said, you're not going to make fun of me. Like 100%, you hurt my feelings. That's one thing. You hurt my pride. Forget it. - Bye, bye. - As a wasting time saying he's getting, like just, it's an icky cheating story. Like you're just kind of a douche. - Yeah, anybody who's cheating isn't a douche. But I don't know, it's just like gross. The girl he's sleeping with, I'm like, what's your story, too? Like why are you putting up with a guy like this? - Yeah, what are you doing? Like if he does this with you, he'll do this to you. - Yeah, and you're obviously laughing along. It's very, they say, pick me, pick me behavior. Where she's like, yeah, your wife sucks. Ha, ha, ha, I'll put up with treatment that sucks. - I'll go to therapy. - Well, and also what's interesting is that he told her to check the camera and she was like, oh, yeah, light bulb, duh, why didn't I think of that? He told her to check the camera and she did. And he was a little bit cocky and got himself busted. But I feel like also, first of all, don't do that to people, but also looking back, I wonder if he took the Uber job so that he could cheat or did it just turn out that he was like, oh, wait, I could actually get away with this with this job. Like I don't, I wonder if it was like before or during. - That's a good question. And without that dash cam footage, I don't know if we'll ever know. I mean, it could, it's very easy to go either way. I'm sure you could see it as an opportunity as you keep going. The same way that if you surround yourself with a group of friends, you start cheating or a job where you're traveling and people are cheating. It's like the opportunity. - Once you see the opportunity, yeah, it becomes a little more appealing I think. - Yeah, how did he meet this? - I have no idea. - Okay. - Not at all. And what did he say when she divorced him? Do we know that? - I don't know, but all I know is that he, she got the car, like it was her car. So she kept it sold it, whatever took the money. And they no longer lived together. He's single, he lives with his mom now. And the girl, I ended up pulling up her house and invasion and found out who she was, duh. And she's public record. - Public record. - She's single, he's single living with his mom. And my client actually has now moved on and had a baby with a new guy. And she seems fully happy. According to her social media. - I hope she is happy. And I hope the other two are thinking about what they did. - To put it nicely. - He told her to check the camera. - Yeah, well, he got coffee like you said. - Y'all, it's 2026. Can we just all assume that we're all being video recorded? Honestly. - I think Martin did do. - See, the key, where there is smart. - Yeah. - The people doing this, they're so overconfident, I think. - I think so much of cheating comes down to just this. Whether you believe it truly or you're just compartmentalizing logic and you're saying-- - It's careless too. - There's no way it's gonna happen where she catches me. There's no way this is as bad as everybody else that cheats. Like you just are able to justify it somehow and I don't get it. I don't get it. - I don't either. I really don't. - Man, I'm so excited for the people who listen to us that drive for rideshare because when I hope-- - We all got some stuff. - Don't use that you cheat. - Exactly. I bet that you have heard the craziest tea where people are sitting in the back seat talking to their friend after a night out and you're just like, and obviously you respect your client's privacy. But if you wanted to anonymously send us some of the crazy things you've heard, I won't stop you. - Right. - Yeah. - I mean, how many people do you think cheat in the back of a new bird? Like the back of a taxi or whatever? It's like-- - Yeah, okay. That's another one. - You know? - I want to know the stories. Have you ever got picked up somebody who you were like, oh my god, like they are not? - I picked him up from his house with his wife and children and now I'm picking up another woman who's getting in the seat with him. Like please send us. Our email is investigate at thedatingdetectivespodcast.com and sometimes we read stories that are not full episode stories on our Patreon. So even if you're just like, this isn't that big of a deal. I just went on a crazy day and he did something crazy. Like we love those stories too. So if there's any rideshare professionals, rideshare undercover stories. - Rideshare undercover new series. - I feel like that would be such a good, yeah, Patreon. I need to hear. I truly need to hear. Especially after my ride with Doug. I mean, that was 10 years. - Just fucking Doug. - The craziest story. It was so great to talk to so many of the people at the live show about their stories and the ways that maybe the podcast just like helps in terms of legitimizing your own experience, helping you realize it was real. - And like these stories, it's kind of funny, right? It's entertaining. Like you're like, "Wait, what happened?" And it's easy to laugh at. But like always, Hindsites, always 2020. You can laugh at it. But also you're right. The people are really affected by this stuff. Like this really hurts people. So it's just crazy. You, you know, looking back on it, you can laugh. But you just never realize it in the moment that that's just so hard, I imagine. - Anybody that asked us about how to like move on, be with people that are better than the people in your past. This came up at the live show a few times and I was hoping, I don't know if it happened. But I was like, meet people here. Like meet people who listen to this podcast or a podcast similar. It doesn't even just have to be dating detectors. I only say that because I know the people listening to this have the same feelings about-- - Like minded individuals, yeah. - Yes, and about being decent people in relationships and wanting love. Like you're all, as much as you say you're cynical and you don't trust people, you wouldn't be here if you didn't believe that you deserve love because that's what we're all looking for. - Yeah, humans innately want that interaction. Like we want that connection with someone else. - Totally. And I just think I was talking to my cousin last night who is young and just starting dating. And he was like, yeah, it's really tough for guys on dating apps. And I was like, it's true. I really think, yes, apps are great. But go out, join a class. He might do like a running club or something because I was like, I think it's just nice to have a group of people to potentially introduce you to somebody who introduces you to somebody. And it's like a safer way to meet people. - Yeah, I agree. - But then my brother's fiancee and I made him do a photo shoot for his hinge as well because not my brother, my cousin, 'cause we were like, we got you. That's the other thing you can do. Get your girls or your friends together to do dating app photo shoots. It's not close. - I love that. - It's the way to do it. - I love that so much. Get a picture at the dating detectives live show wherever it is next. Maybe we've been talking about potential next stops. - Oh, I can't wait. That was, it's been so much fun to connect with everybody. So yeah, we have to. - The best soon. People are already asking us, "When are you coming back?" - I mean, I'll come back to Tampa. That was so cute, I loved it there. Especially after my rack with Doug. I've had some crazy drivers. - I like Uber, but most of the time when I'm getting to Uber, they don't talk. I think they're just listening. Oh, man, I bet they get some tea. - I've had a few drivers that were like definitely religious, which is fun. and until they start doing the thing where you're like, are you trying to convert me? Are you trying to recruit me to your cult right now? Because I'm just trying to get to the airport. But usually I just let 'em talk. I'm big on just yes anding, as they say. Because if they wanna talk, if I'm able to listen, it's like, you never know what you're gonna get. It's just always an interesting scenario. I've yet to join a cult based on a Uber driver. But time will tell. - I wanna drive Uber just so I can even drop on people. Like, you know, most people have fun. You're missing out, but also phobia fear of being involved. Like, you wanna know what's going on, but you don't wanna be involved in it. You just wanna, that's why my PI stories I can legally tell you blew up so big. And that's why podcasts like this are crazy and true crime because you wanna know the most diabolical shit, but you don't wanna be a part of it. - No, no, no, and yeah, being a Uber driver or any kind of rideshare driver, we were joking before we recorded. We were talking about Uber and then I was like, and we are open, just the way we say, like it's not always women telling their stories here we're open to men. Not always Uber, we are open to lift. - We are open podcasts. - Yes, but you know, it's like the perfect place to over here, some crazy stuff. - Anyways, I just thought it would be so funny to tell that story in line with your Uber story. - No, that's a good one. - A lot of people listen to us that drive Uber or that, you know, just spend a lot of time in their car. So if you're one of those, we wanna hear your stories. Like you gotta give it up. - Yes, please. Also, if you are listening to podcasts, throw us on when there's some, oh my gosh, we imagine you think someone's cheating in your car and you throw on the dating detectives. That would be so funny. - Have you guys ever heard of this podcast called the dating detective? - It's so good. It's all about people who are cheating and like conning, lying, survivors of them, come on. 'Cause yeah, we call it survivors because you know, that's actually a really traumatic dangerous thing to do. Have you ever thought about that? As they're like, it's very deep in the passenger seat. - Well, that was good though. I love that. Thank you. I love that anytime we are doing McKenzie undercover. You're like, I don't know, is this that good of a story? And then you remember, like even I just brought up Uber and you're like, oh, I have an Uber one. Like you are an endless well of gossip. - There's so much. And you got to remember for the longest time, like I've been to PI for 20 years. So the stories that I encounter, the people that I encounter, it's not, to me, I'm so numb to it that it's not interesting anymore. Not that it's not interesting anymore, but it's not - Another day of the office. - It loses that, like, oh my goodness, really. Yeah, it's just another day of the office. So then when I tell these stories and people are like, wait, what? And then it reinvigorates that interest in investigation and, you know, obtaining information. And I'm really good at social engineering and, you know, getting information from people in a way that makes them feel like they're, it's their idea. - Oh, you're so good. - What do I mean? - Yeah, I was thinking about how you say, law enforcement typically can't do a lot of things such as going into a house without a warrant. But you can socially engineer your way in. And I was like, she's like a vampire. If she's invited, she can do anything. - I'm a vampire. If I'm a new - If you invite her in, she can come in. - If you invite me in, I can come in exactly. I love that stuff. I was so funny. - Especially since you have your vampire teeth tattoo. - I know, I love - I didn't even think about it that way, but yeah, I love that. Now, I can't unsee it. - Oh, well, another good McKenzie undercover and a rideshare undercover series has potentially been born. - It's gonna happen. We're gonna get a ton of stories. - Oh my gosh. Well, we love your stories. If you have a longer story, I hope you don't, but thank you for submitting and sharing because I hope it's cathartic for those who do. Thank you to our Patreon subscribers. You truly make this possible. - We really - I hope you realize that. - Yeah, and we appreciate you listening and sharing. It means the world to us. We're so grateful for you. - All of you. - Even if you're not on Patreon, you're amazing. - Just listening and sharing is great. We just appreciate your support. - We love you. And let's wrap this up by saying, as always, trust your fed tuition. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)