407: Mackenzie & Her Dad’s Creepy Texts, Plus Her Weird Jail Calls with Mom | Mackenzie Shirilla

Hey true crime besties, welcome back to an all-new episode of Cerealously. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to an all-new episode of Cerealously. With me, Annie E. Leece, your true crime bestie, your Mackenzie Sherilla Deep Diver. Just, you know, go into the depths of hell on the internet and in the FOIA and come in here to clock in for duty with you. Now, let me just start this episode by saying this, okay? This will be my last Mackenzie Sherilla episode, and you know what? Let me actually put like a little asterisk next to that. I think, I think, I don't want to talk about this girl anymore, I don't want to give her any more air time. I don't think truthfully that there's much more I can share with you that will bring value to anything. But so this will be like the last hurrah in that regard, unless there is some huge new revelation or there's something you guys are requesting that I cover regarding the case. But I feel like now, after today, we will be done with it. Now, that being said too, for all of my audio only listeners, very similarly to the Wednesday episode. This is a bonus episode, and it contains a lot of phone calls. Originally, I was not going to put either one of these bonus episodes on the podcast feed. I was going to only have them on YouTube because on YouTube you can do closed captions, so you can hear it a little bit better and read what the transcript is. It's an episode that doesn't have as much commentary for me, so whatever, I wasn't going to put them on there. But I did a poll over on Instagram asking, "Hey, for my audio only listeners, do you want me to cross-post it?" And the majority of you, like 85% said, "Yes." So once again, releasing this bonus episode, not only on YouTube, but also on the podcast feed. And if for any reason you do have difficulty hearing these calls and following along, it is posted on YouTube with closed captioning. So you'll be able to read the transcript. Now, the other day, in just in case you missed it, let me remind you. On Wednesday, I did release a bonus episode, and we have been in the trenches of McKenzie's case for literally years now. I know I mentioned that we had the huge stack of 600-page documents back in 2023. We also have foyer information. We've received terabytes and terabytes of digital evidence, of phone calls, of jail calls, of so many things. And we've been kind of digging through all of that since this renewed interest in her case, since the crash came out on Netflix. And so with that, I went through the jail calls. And on Wednesday, I pulled out six calls that I wanted to highlight between McKenzie and her friends. These are the jail calls in which they're talking about boys, they're talking about sex, they're joking around. She does not seem remorseful at all. She drops the R word, literally dozens of times, and she's making fun of people. And those calls, to me, the reason I chose those six, I felt like I could have put the whole gamut of phone calls on, but I was like, okay, this is what's going to really like illustrate things the most. These are the most important calls in my opinion. So same goes for today. Today's episode is not going to focus on McKenzie and her loser ass friends, but McKenzie and her loser ass parents. Okay, because I have gone through hours and hours and hours of phone calls between McKenzie and her mom Natalie, which I think we all can agree that her parents just enable her to like the ends of the earth. And I've pulled out about 15, I think 16 to be exact, but roughly about 15 that I think you really need to hear because in these calls there she's instructing McKenzie on what she can and can't say they're talking about the appeal. She's talking about how she's so obsessed with the Facebook group and Facebook pages and comments living in the comments section. She, this is Natalie, Natalie, her mom that cares about this, which isn't really a far stretch because we know that when McKenzie was hospitalized immediately following the accident that what and I say accident, it wasn't an accident. But you know the crash, I should say that when McKenzie was immediately hospitalized, her mom was running her social media trying to get her signed up, modeling agencies trying to asking the police, what do you think the social media perception is going to be about all this. So that is still very much the tone of their conversations. She's running McKenzie's accounts, they're talking about changing her profile picture, her bio, living in the comments section, just like this very surfacy, superficial bullshit when that doesn't even matter. The daughter is in prison for taking two lives, like read the motherfucking room, right? And in addition to all of that, they start talking about, they start dragging Dom and Davions family in these calls. They start talking about how she's the victim, McKenzie's a bitch through and through in the majority of the calls, all while her mom is like soaking it up and thinks it's like cute and funny, it's beyond. So I'm going to share some of those calls with you, curious to know your thoughts and if you're feeling exactly the same way I am and what you pick up on because there are some very interesting conversations. And then after those calls, I'm going to jump back on here with you and I want to talk about all of the rumors that are going down right now about McKenzie and her father. If you don't live on TikTok or even on Instagram reels, you may not know at all what I'm talking about. So I'll give you a little sneak preview right now. But a lot, as everything has been a full day to dump of information over the last several weeks, a lot of the text messages people are starting to show which we've seen I've seen I've known about them for a long time. But they're starting to show the text messages of McKenzie asking her dad for warm milk in the middle of the night. Her dad saying things like, you know, you might your mom loves me like you it's a get out not not this I'm paraphrasing, but like you missed your get out of jail free card last night or things like that and like but kept asking for a warm milk which people of course believe was code for. I mean, I guess i'm just going to say semen okay implying that she and her father Steve had a sexual relationship in secret from her mom they even further. I don't want to say like bolster this claim, but I guess that's how you I could describe it, but because in previous Starbucks orders McKenzie always ordered her drink as dairy free so they're like why would she be asking for more milk what 18 year old or 17 year old is asking their dad for warm milk in the middle of the night. So you can imagine things have been running rampant on the internet with people speculating what this really means and look the last 60 days I think I've covered three or four incest cases so it's it is out there it is a thing unfortunately. But i'm going to talk more about those text messages after I played these jail calls for you i'm going to talk to you about what I believe it means what I think the dynamic really is also. What I think Steve and Dom's potential relationship was like the two of them and will kind of get into all of that so this will serve as the episode of McKenzie's parents and maybe we call it like the unraveling of McKenzie's parents because we've already been talking about how her dad's spiraling he lost his job they still don't seem to understand how to read a room of like what their daughter has done and how severe it really is but this episode will serve as like let's talk about the calls with mom. How mom only cares about fame and perception and attention and living in the comment section and capitalizing on her daughter's presence even though it's like not a good thing to capitalize on and then we're going to talk about those text messages with dad so let's start by getting into the phone calls. Hello this is a prepaid collect call from an incarcerated individual at kaya hoga county corrections center this call is not private it will be recorded and maybe monitored if you believe this should be a private call please hang up and follow the facility instructions to register this number as a private number to accept charges and thank you for using secure us you may start the conversation now. What are you saying? I don't know and I would just like smell shit like I just like smell something. Let me probably farting. No one is by me. What? No one is by me. No, well that doesn't matter. Sometimes it smells a lot. Yeah, I don't know what to say to Maddie. Just say what? Thank you. I said, "Maddie, I miss you so much. It was so nice seeing you. I've missed you all so much. Thank you for showing the real love you so much." Mm-hmm. Cheers. I just had our link in the morning. She said she misses you and loves you and she will see you tomorrow. What? Kendra said her thing is not working and she said she misses you and loves you and she will see you tomorrow and then meet you. Oh my. That's funny. Oh my god. And then all of us is posting this. Do you want me to read a few? I'm going to read this book and I have everything we need to do. Can you hear me here? Yes. Okay, long. So what do you know when you're ready? I'm ready. Okay. Hold on. I got to get through this. Okay. Hold on. Two. Jason said it all. So let's just get this out there. For Y'all who be as it can realize, let's first start with this quote of quote, evidence. All they're so close to is all based on interpretation. Number one, they say she wanted to die. But that's after the accident and she was in the hospital saying quote, she never meant for this to happen and that now all she wants to do is be dead. I'm sorry. If I or anyone else put in this situation where they lost their six-year boyfriend, it doesn't fully remember what happened. But no. They want to be dead in the turbulent worst way. I'm sorry. Anyone in that situation would be the same thing. You got some dude who goes by his head to literally like no one knows. He just chooses to be easy and has a criminal background and they say it's a family friend to the Rooster and living in the basement. Oh, that's a lie. Well, I call it. That's a lie. I wrote that shit down. That's a lie. That's a lie. That's where Miss Rooster's room is in the basement. That's a lie. Well, maybe that's where he just started living there in the last year of Tessie. Oh, I don't know. But I don't know. Maybe she's sleeping in Dom's room or some shit. That's what I mean. That's new. Yeah. So unless I'll let you just mention that Kenzie and Dom's mom is hard. I don't know. I always had a good relationship with Father's dinner. Is that a con? No, you did it. Wait, I can't understand you. So can you get off speaker or something? Because I don't know what the fuck you're saying. I can't because I don't care. I can't read. Okay, well, second to my phone and then like read it or something. Like I can't understand you at all. Okay. Um, okay. Okay. Um, okay. Okay. I'm just going to screenshot this little thing. It's very long. Wait a minute. Oh, I'm doing nothing. I'm not so strange. I'm going to go in the green. Okay. to use that. Again, or interpreting it to be bad. Please, people, open your fucking eyes like truthfully. This is coming from someone that has never been in this girl's friend or had a cure for this girl. This is coming from someone who's got smoothed back and kicked through all the lies and is just doing what's morally right in my heart. This whole community is going to hell and I'm certain of it, I feel it. Also, let's not hide this. There were five perfectly, perfectly healthy fine people that saw all three of their state of mind that spent hours with them before they passed a thousand ten minutes before they lost their lives. Are they testifying? They must have not have been tall. Neither the prosecution or the defense, one due to they know the truth. These kids will speak and if one doesn't show it could potentially restart the whole trial. People, these are not to help Kenzie in any sort of way. Like I said, it doesn't matter to me what happened. The public just needs to know the evil that's behind these families and the law. The people need to be, if people in public, they continue to cause attention and people to look at them differently and these people should not be allowed to live a carefree life after all the lies on life. That's on every single YouTube video. Who was the way? Who was that? We don't know who that was. No, I have no idea. I have no idea who the fuck that is. Neither. I'm filthy. Responded. He was like that is one hundred percent spot on. They put it everywhere. Everywhere on every Facebook post. Oh my god, I love that. It's so long. Is that amazing? Who the hell is that? I don't know. Everything they called me. That's my daddy was like, did I write this? Yes, I love that. Me too. It's a fake profile. I don't know if that's their real name and there's no picture or anything, but that should have facts right there. I can call you back. Yeah. I can call you back. Yeah, call me back. Yeah, call me back. Yeah, you all got to get to like, and then it was probably the one that posting it everywhere from Facebook and YouTube. Are you for real? Yeah. Are there like other people who are applying to it? Are there likes on it and shit? I don't think so. There's not a whole lot of action on anything, kind of. Thank you for using. Goodbye. Hello. This is a prepaid collect call from an incarcerated individual at Kayahoga County Correction Center. This call is not private. It will be recorded and maybe monitored. If you believe that should be a private call, please hang up and follow the facility instructions to register this number as a private number to accept charges and thank you for using Securus. You may start the conversation now. I have until 945 to be out. Okay. This is hers. I don't know. Okay. What? What? I'm talking to daddy. We were talking about some stuff. So what does my card do? Good medicine. Oh, for that long. Wait. Hang on. Can't be. Okay. Is everybody on the lot of meds? There are a lot of people. How many people are on your floor? Like, there's like over 10. I don't know. I don't know exactly how it is. Oh, that is okay. 10 and 20 are different. I said more than 10, probably like 15, 20. Okay. Are you going to be able to jump in the shower? I hope. Okay. Oh, you know what? Maybe I'll go up in my office now that I'm standing and I'll go right down what you're going to say. I don't know if you should just message me. Do you think a copy? Okay. What do you say? I don't even know what you're supposed to wear in my office. What do you have to wear the orange? I don't have orange. It's not orange. I wear blue. Oh, who wears orange? The boys. I thought I thought the girls wore orange. Me too. That's weird. No, I wear blue. I showed you my outfit on the phone. Yeah, I know. I swear every day. Oh, and they wear orange every day? Yeah, the boys were like, you know the color of my shoes. Yeah. That's the color of their outfit, the boys. I'm going to put you on figure so that I can write. Okay. What are you writing? Oh, what are you writing? Yeah. You need a stamp? Are you ready? Yes, the recycling is low. Okay, to the families of Dom and Davian. Do you have it? Uh-huh. I've set it a million times. Okay. But I am so deeply sorry. Uh-huh. I hope one day. But you can see. I would never let this happen. Okay. Or do it on purpose. Uh-huh. I am just heartbroken. I wish I could take all your pain away. Okay. Long live the boys. Okay. And then to my family and support. Uh-huh. I thank you. I thank you all for seeing the real. Go ahead. Under all these lies. Go ahead. Thank you for non-stop fighting. Okay. For me and all the love. Okay. And support. I love you all so much. And then I pray one day. Uh-huh. People won't see me as this monster. They're making me out to be. To say the prosecution and court the judge. Okay. So they're making me out to be. Thank you. That's what I wrote. Yeah. I'm just going to say what I said. Yep. It's perfect. Okay. Tell people the time you messages. I will. But it's Saturday. You know what I mean? It's the weekend. They may be out or doing well. I'll try and tell them to set a video call. What do you like better? Both. Video calls and messages. I'm able. Okay. So I don't know why I went to my death to write that down. I just did it in my notes on my phone. Alison has these new beans in their shop. They look so weird. They're like they're like snake. They're called like snake beans. Snake tongue beans or something. What is? I don't know. Every time she puts pictures. I'm like, oh my God. The kids would definitely try that weird ass looking thing. Whatever. So Alison. I'm sad. Talk to me about the squash. He's like, you need to try the squash. The squash is good as well. You got to tell them how strengthening up because Alison posted these melons that she has and somebody in the comments was like, you guys have peaches yet? People are giving a hard time about it. That's all they care about are the peaches. Yes, because our peaches are good as well. The best peaches I ever had in my life. She's like, look at these melons. They're like, no, where's your peaches? Cool melon, but where are the peaches? I'm telling you, they have these beans. They look long, flat and fuzzy. I don't know what they are. I like how they get all the cool shit. Yeah, me too. I want to work there. Yes, I'm sure that would be so funny. Then you go to the farm. Oh my God, you would be so loving all that whole process. Yeah. Maybe one day. Yeah, keep your business. That will just be good to work for a small business. I don't want to work for a big business. I can just have multiple jobs, but then I don't want to have no free time. I don't like that. Well, when you do what you love, that is like your free time. You don't mind doing it. You love to do it. It will get first picked on everything. But it's not like work because not only will you love it, but it's your family. You know what it means? You're like excited to go. I want to get a shower in a second. Good. I'm going to wash my hair. It's really making my forehead break out real bad. Yeah. That lotion stick I gave you is that also you put it on your face. I put it on my face. I don't know but Anti just showed me something somebody's going off on Facebook again and I swear to God they know everything, they're posting everything everywhere and it's like spot on. Who is it? I told her, it's the same one but they know everything about everything somehow and I don't know what it is. Yeah, daddy was like, "Did I write this again?" Yeah, you know. What are they saying this time? I can do it in a new update. I just found out that dude lives in her basement and she's done his lawyers for years and there's a criminal living in the house. I mean, just everything. What the fuck? Everything. I don't know how they know this stuff. So, I told Anti Tiffany to see if she can contact them to see who that is. Who is that? What the fuck? I need to know who that is. That's what I'm saying. The only thing is, you know, you can be anybody. They did use one word that points to them being a younger person. I don't know what that is. I think they're younger. Who cares? I mean, of course, they would know everything if they're younger. They use it one time and I'm like, "Okay, so this is a younger person." I want you to ask that one person if you do it. Yeah, we try to find out. They're like, they're stretching and twisting everything. And none of this is true. And they did not all live with the family. He rented a house next door and they're making it sound like they did. I mean, it's Tendi. It's everything. Oh, my gosh. I love whoever that freaking is. Keep talking, buddy. I love who that is. Yeah, we need more people talking like that. There is a lot of it. But whoever that is, it's like no intimate details on how. I love that. This is fine. Me too. Yeah. Keep talking. For sure. And I'm going to respond to the media outlets, I think, today. Yes, please. I'm scared, though. I am going to. No, don't be scared. Or have dad do it. You're scared. Look at me. No, no, no, I'm not scared. Okay. I need to, I need to really formulate my words carefully at all. I'm not scared, Kazy. When I say I'm scared, I'm not scared to do it. I need to be careful to make sure that I'm doing it right. That's all because. You know, one word. Could make her twist things. You know what I'm saying? So I just need to get legal counsel to make sure what I'm going to say is okay. Yes, please. Yes. You know me. I don't fart without making sure it's okay. I was there for the prosecution listening. I don't know. I'm about to get in the shower. Okay. I love you, love you, love you. I'm going to call you back. Okay. Bye, baby. Love you. This is a prepaid collect call from an incarcerated individual at Kaya Hoga County Corrections Center. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To accept charges and consent, thank you for using Securus. Okay. Those two. Nina and Bubba, to shout out the rooftops for you. I know. Actually, he's coming over. They're coming over. Yeah. Our house. So talk to me about things. I know. I didn't say Nina and Bubba. I said Rosie. Nina and Bubba. I'm sorry. Not Nina. Not Nina. That's what I'm talking about. I feel like Bubba is more like, like, ride in for me because he's like, like, like, then Rosie. Like, it's weird. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird because he's her. I think that was her. I'm going to ask her that when she comes over. Ask her what. He's her. He's her. He's all these things. He's her. Okay. That's who I think. Me too. Right. I know you're anxiety and you got fear and stuff like that. I don't have fear. I don't have fear. I don't want to be a part of the loop. If you're just like, like, the rat or something like that. That's weird as fuck. No. That's what I mean. Just pause on that. I know it's hard to not feel that way. I'm very weird to the fuck out. I don't know. Hold on. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Okay. I love you. I love you too, Dan. Like, what's the feeling? What does it have to do with you talking to me? That's weird. I love you. I love you. I love you. I got in trouble last night. Or this morning. Why? I got in trouble. Mommy got mad. Mommy got mad. Mommy got mad at me. For what? That must mean it. That must mean it. Like, two weeks. We're going to get in a car accident. I'm going to be charged with murder. And so long as the fault and stuff, you know, because, you know, because, you know, it's strong. So if you speed. If you speed it. eat it, you know, it's something bad. Anyway, anyway, I love you very much. I'm angry for you, baby. I'm just like, you know, I'm anxious. Every, every waking second that I'm thinking is about you. That's all I'm thinking about. I just want to let you know, I love you so much. And I can not believe you are being put through the distance. I hope that I hope karma comes back in place. Everybody gets against you in the ass. So hard that they all disappear. That's all I said. And if I had a magic wand, if I had a magic wand, I wouldn't go back and help me in first. I make everybody else. I put my fingers and everybody would disappear. That's that's what I would do. That's how that's how angry I am. They base screws you're so bad. Okay I gotta go. I love I love I love I'm on your side one hour and a half and I know I know. I love you dad. So that's what I mean. You got army people fighting out here baby okay. I'm just gonna talk to the soul of you. Yes I'm on my period here and then like I just like feel gross as fuck like. But I need to tell you those that Rosie and Bubba and your friends. I started a whole big Kenzie group chat. We are all. Yep we are all. That way how did you see me. Okay and they are part of that. Okay but I don't know I like it's weird as fuck because last time I was like on the phone and free phone calls like when I was in Jews like a juvenile facility like Sammy was in the car with Rosie and they were like both talking to me be in like all I can. Hold on a second. Hold on. They were what? Who was? It was Sammy and Rosie in the car and there was this like weird as shit going on like I don't know like. Okay well listen here's what we'll do. Ask her. Okay. You need to ask her to and tell her that like Kenzie is feeling weird as fuck. You can tell her that yourself too. I will. I will. I'll tell her to ask her if she says she doesn't hang out with any of her anywhere you have no choice but could be her. Okay. Right. I'm gonna have people watching her and as soon as she hangs out with her she's getting fucking blocked on everything and she's you need to take her out of the group chat. So we'll deal with that part. Yes. But you have it was just laughter. Thank you. No stress. You have a whole huge people out here fighting for you every day. Oh you know what? You know all that man can just get my like message in here without like knowing anyone or like. Well he must that's what I mean. He must do this quite briefly. I'm saying though. I'm saying though. What if somebody else gets my message it's like that'd be like I know you could on purpose you and then you know what they do. I'm gonna reply and be like only if they give me a stamp. I'm not replying without actually yeah I'm not replying about a stamp but I'm gonna be like I was like hey thank you for the message. Kenzie will get back to you very shortly. Her messages are overflowing. Thank you so much. We're kind of like a voicemail. That's a good idea. Her messages of support are are overflowing. Yeah. That's a good idea. That's funny. Oh yes. I'm gonna do that. Her message. Oh and you think I should write out what I'm gonna say to like the court. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know like exactly how like it doesn't need to be long. Like I don't know what to say. I don't know a little bit what I need to say. Like it doesn't need to be long at all. Just talk from just talk from your heart. Thank you. Don't say anything about you know the whole proceedings or the verdict or whatever. Just talk to them. I'm not I mean I'm not gonna say thank you to the judge or anything. I was gonna say thank you to the judge but I'm not going to say anything to the judge. No. You can tell her that you know you feel that no don't even say anything. I was gonna say that you feel she made a mistake but you can. Don't even say that. Can I say to you what I'm gonna say or draw me to wait? I think you can say it to me. Okay I'm gonna be like. I don't know if I should be like I would be like well first I'm going to start with the families of David on and down. I just want to deeply apologize they all forever be sorry and I hope that one day you guys can see that I never meant to do this on purpose. It was just a car accident I want to tell you I'm sorry forever if I could take your grief away I would take it away in a heartbeat. I am so sorry. And then I don't I don't know what else I would say. Yeah, just like that it doesn't even have to be long, talking. I've been, I don't even know what I'm going to say. And then I'm going to be like, I'm going to say something to you. I'll be like to my family like something and supporters. Thank you for seeing the real in this. Yeah. I'm fighting for me every day. You love, you love him. You would not like, it's just so crazy, Ken. Yeah, just like something like that. Do you even say the judge, you know, if you knew me, you knew who I was. You even have to say, don't you say that, whatever. I don't even know, Ken. It's all figure out who I am very soon. You think they would know who I am by like watching me in jail for fucking like nine fucking months. But I guess that's not enough for them. But if I can make a decision in like 19 seconds like they say, then I don't understand how like I can't figure out who I am. But in all the time, that just doesn't make any sense. I'm sorry. What's been going on on like people like, I don't know. Like people just been like posting about me still or is that died out of it. Let's stay down. Well, on my side anyway, I don't know because I don't have Snapchat or anything like that. But don't forget, good news travel fast. Bad news travel faster. And people laugh down to toxic and anger and rage. Some more than people trying to support somebody in a situation. So sometimes there's no sense in arguing with people on the internet because they're loud. I'm so weirded out still though. Like just by saying me like, that shit just weirded me the fuck out. How are you going to like try to be cool with me and like talk to me on the phone and ask me if I'm okay and shit. Who's Danny? Yes. And she was just in the car smoking weed, but Rosie. So like, what's up? She's a follower. She probably just wanted like to fucking like seen and like do it. Like a free blur. I think it's what it means. What if they got a car accident? Would one of them be charged with murder? Like I'm confused. Right. Right. I know. Sammy's a follower. She's just doing it because it's because it's good and that's the dude. That's all. Rosie is strong. And he's not. I don't want to go in the courtroom. A few sneeze in the courtroom. I don't feel safe with him anywhere near me. I feel like he's going to attack me. I don't know if there's anything you can do about that. But I'm going to refuse to go into the courtroom then. I can't. Don't even look over there. I don't. But I like. I knew I felt some weird shit last time. Like I knew I could tell. Like some weird shit. And then he's like hugging his roots. Or like, she's probably the one that told him to like come harass me at the grave. Like follow me that day. Like, I know. And weird as fuck. Like. Yep. I need to say this isn't over. Okay. Like I hope. And like what's what the point of like going through my phone all that time and finding literally like all the instances. Can you stop talking right now? Okay. I'm saying over like. I know. Don't talk like that. Nothing was even shown. Like why? Please stop. Yeah. We need a different lawyer. Like I don't give a fuck. Like that was the way I'm so weird out by him too. Like I just don't. It just just shows us. Wait. I know. Hold on. Diamonds. Diamonds. Diamonds. What time do we get our comms tomorrow? Like later in the afternoon? Yes. I'm about to guess. Sorry. It's coming like kind of like on the earlier side. Like eight to like one. Oh, there you go. Good. I just want to get moving around too. That's where I'm at. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. I don't know. Rosie just needs to talk to me though. Because she needs to tell me what's up. Like where I'm going to block her. Oh, I should have called you. Is it working on that one? Yeah. That's what I'm just trying to do again. You try it. Yeah. I'm just trying to say it like it can't be completed in it. It takes long and so on to load, right? Yeah. Messages are not loading right now. I'm just trying to check my messages. Yes. Same thing. And then a message will pop up and be like, it's not working. I'm about to tell the staff or something. Did you read a grievance on that one terminal? I've already read it on that terminal. Yes. Because what the fuck is that about? Good. I was like, can we switch? Like, you're the other video call at 7. I was like, I'm not switching my video call. What? It's not like that. I thought, yes, I was hoping you don't know what I'm saying. Because I do, I'm like, I'd be saying, yes. What do you spiritual in shit? Like, crystalline shit? Do you spiritual? Okay. I mean to a part of that. You don't want to show. No, it's not like that. It's not like my big fantasy wedding. Not like that. Oh, I love that movie. I'm dead as fuck. Like, it's just more like, like, the carnivals in shit. I'm like, I don't know how to explain it. How do you explain a gifty? Like, the theatrical dancing type. Like, theater in shit like that. Maybe like very like, and then like very like, musical spiritual, like, like, nature in shit, like. Right. I mean, I don't know what you're doing. What? What? I don't know. That was weird to me out. That just makes so many more possibilities of what kind of happened. Well, he called Blair like a three-thirds of six in the morning or something. He was calling his friend. Remember? Try to say like thanks for kicking it with me. I love you, that kind of thing, which was also super weird. He never did shit like that. I don't know. Because he always told me he would like Blair. What the heck? Do you see the text message where he's like, "I don't even fuck with Blair." Yeah, he would drop him in a second. Yeah, that's real good friend down there. I miss him so I don't care. I know you do, baby. I know we do. My little nug. Yeah. Poor Paul. I feel bad for everybody. Yeah, me too. I do not know how you survived that crazy pumpkin. I don't even remember being coherent, like how they were saying I was answering questions. I don't remember that. I don't remember any pain from the accident. I don't remember. How did you even understand? I can't even go there. I was folded down. It doesn't make sense to me either. I feel like I don't know. I can't go there. I wish I could get hypnotized in here to remember. Me too. I don't remember so bad. I almost feel like it was like, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to say, but I have like my thing. I feel like I know what happened, but I don't know. It could be wrong. It could be wrong. A million things. A million things. I feel like it was another incident of like a dog doing what he used to do all the time as a car. That's what everybody kind of feels. But I don't know if that's even true. Why would he do that with Davey on the car? Because he used to do stuff like that with other people in the car. I don't know. He was like screaming at me because I dropped the car. He didn't want to burn his car, but I was trying to get it. He was in the car. He was like speeding really fast trying to scare us. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. If we have to look healed and people just, we have to look. Just wait. Let's hope that the judge makes me the right decision that she can see. Great. That's all well. And you go. I'll think about how like everyone that was in juvenile, like what they told me about the county. Like it's all wrong. Like they all told me wrong stuff about the county. Like I was expecting something completely different. Well, you're on the protection floor. Don't forget. Well, I'm going to be off. I need to get the phone call before. Well, I know that it's better than what they said or worse. Worst. I mean, like, yeah, but they said they was going to put broomsticks in my butt and stuff like that. What the hell? And like they was going to like try to like bitch me right away and shit. Like none of that is going on. It might be on the other floor. But I need to get the fuck to move off the spot. Worst, you can deal with that. You want to broomsticks with your butt? Honestly, at this point, I would almost rather have to deal with shit like that. The deal was like crazy people. I don't like people that are slow. I don't like them. I don't want to be around these people. I don't want to hear like we're laughing at night. I don't want to hear someone being maim, maim every single night. Knowing it's fun. Like she almost got me starting to be like maim, maim in my room. Like I was just doing it because I was bored. I mean, like people just rubbing off on me be slow as those. Like I don't want to be on the spot. Oh no. I don't know. I'm not even going to sleep for now. And I'm almost done with this book. It's getting good as fuck. And I want to keep reading it so bad. But like I have to wait. I have to wait till I'm like I can't read it. Your books are coming on the 19th. With the 19th? That's so long though. It's still so long, right? But at least there's not the 21st. Oh you choose what like seeing you. Like what screen I do the video calls on? No. So I just like text one. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, I said like not on this terminal. And I was like okay. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. What was the lunch? They meet in the table and what else? I think green beans. But I did not eat them. And these little Oreo cookies that are like not Oreos. But they're like white on like the tan Oreos and the dark Oreos on top. And they're good as fuck. I love those. Ooh, it looks like a vanilla cookie and a chocolate cookie with cream. Yeah, it was so good. I was like my favorite thing. I could have been better eating those from lunch. Like cookie is good as fuck. Yeah. But I'm hungry right now. So I might just like go in my room and eat a pie with cookies. Yeah. Did you say producer? Did you drink it? No, she didn't mean to eat a dessert with us. She didn't mean to eat a dessert with us. Oh, that's nice. [BLANK_AUDIO] So it says there's no good scientific evidence to support that other user. - Yeah, I cannot wait to call you. I just want to call you so bad. I'm probably gonna see when I go back in my room again. - Right. - But like, I sleep so much here. Oh, it's pouring outside. - That's what I mean, the water, the water. - There's like not enough staff on Saturdays. - Would you come to work like every day? I see you all the time. You're just like the trooper for you, like, (laughs) is that the nice one? - You have one minute left. - All right, Mom, I just love you so much. I'm gonna call you not now, but I'm gonna call you. That's fine. - Okay, all right, but I love you, Mom. - I love you, too. - But yeah, I'll talk to you at 7 o'clock. I can't wait. - Me either. - If you want to call me again, you don't try and then we'll just try to merge a call. - All right, I love you so, so, so much. - I love you, too, my beautiful baby. - That's cool. As long as it's something, yay. All right, Mom, but yeah, I'm gonna talk to you again when I at 7 o'clock during our video call, hold on, but it's about to hang up. - I love you so, so, so, so much, Mom. - Yeah, I love you, I love you, too. - And yeah, I'll, I'll let you know what's up. - Make it a great day. - I'll try, too. I'm about to go to sleep when I am. Go back to my room in 15 minutes. I want to talk to you. - I love you, Mom. - Bye, bye, bye, bye. - Hello, this is a prepaid collect call from an incarcerated individual at Kayahoga County Corrections Center. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang up and follow the facility instructions to register this number at a private number to accept charges and consent to this record thank you for using Securus. - Hello. - Hey. - Hey, Mom. - Yes, I could have double this from Juicy the whole time, too. - And it would have been $2 from Juicy? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Oh hell no. - That's what I mean. (laughing) It's not all. Okay, please don't know now. And Marissa has must have had this app or something a while back or has known somebody in the prison for at some point because the fact that she was able to message you that fast means that she must have already had an account. This wasn't telling her nothing. Almost her just, I don't know, but that was super fast. - Did you talk to her like after like yesterday? - She sent me a message. She's saying that his mother is not a good person. Like, noob. - It's crazy. She could just tell that through like. - Yeah, through the stuff that she saw I read and, yeah. - Mr. She'll got really skinny too. - Yeah, I'm sure. - Go back. - She's like weird to me out saying her that's skinny and like, what the fuck? Like, if this doesn't work. - Trash and trauma, I mean, it hasn't happened though yet. Yep. - There's just like, I can tell you're hurting. Like, I don't feel it, like, I don't feel it. - What's that like? Marissa, she's like really spiritual too, like. - Oh. She's so glad you could talk to them. And you can call her. And of course, so you can call her anytime. As soon as she can set up this video thing, she's gonna give you a number you can call her whenever. - I love her so much. - Mm-hmm. - She'd always talk to me about, we always talk about our boyfriend's chick. - I know, I know. I can't wait for her to get in contact with you. I've gone through a phone and can you think of anybody else that I didn't think of? - What do you want me to, what do you want me to, what about Phil? Cause he keeps sending me that he loves me, sending me to love. He loves you, yeah. - Probably yes. - Okay. - Literally anyone. I was a bunch of people just like, post it online. Types, I don't give a fuck like. That's why I wanted to ask you first. I don't want people like, you know, wolves and sheep clothing coming into message you and then giving you messages that are not nice. - Oh, I don't care what if I can message it not nice, I can block people. - Okay. Okay. Well, you're gonna have a bunch more people coming in, hopefully today. - Yeah, I wish I had my spooky eyes as like. - I know. That's okay, this is good. This is okay for now. - Push it up, because I'm gonna get you to come out for like an hour and 30 minutes or 45 minutes. - The way that's something, that was what I mean. It's looking for now better than what it was. - What do you mean it's better than what it was? Go with that. - Cause you didn't get access to anything before. - I don't care. I liked it better there before. - No, I mean before this, before the messaging. Before that all your friends were messaging you. - Yeah, but I still don't care. I would rather be as like, no, I don't know. - Yeah, I know. - You know what I mean? - I already had, like I shouldn't be. - What's the third half of the day after Monday? - Maybe calling for messages about like giving me up as much. I don't want to be protected. I really don't want to be protected. I want to be protected. - I know. I'm not loving it you, I'm not gonna go. Yeah. - Is that mommy? - No, it's bitch. Follows down over to the place. I'm just gonna call her. - She's so happy. - Here? - Yeah. - Can you do this? - Bye bye. - What? - She's okay, I missed her. - She's getting better. She's not so, like, vicious. She'll feel like when you're petting her and she'll go to leave, she'll fly to it, yeah? Cause she doesn't want you to stop. But she's coming down, who the hell is that? Little bit. - Oh, really miss the cat so much. - Yeah, I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing. So I'm gonna send you pictures, but I don't want you to be, oh, I can't send you pictures. I don't want you to be cut. I'm gonna send you like a little video. I can do like a 30 minute video, I think. - You can send me a video? - Yeah, I think. I don't know, I gotta look through it. Because I think I can. I gotta look through and see what my options are. I can't ask, I can't see that and save. So I'm kind of going through and seeing what I can't do. - Um. - She's so true, I want to go and sleep with her. - Yeah, does she ever sleep that lady? - When does she sleep? - She's sleep right now, so let's take her like 48 hours to go to sleep. And she better stay sleep the whole fucking day. - Yeah, I'm trying to be dog in her the fuck out today if she keeps being anointing. - Yeah, that's crazy. - She's so irritating, like I don't like her at all. How old is she? - I don't know, like grow and just fuck. Like, like 30 probably or some shit, like, if you want to, she's saving there all day? - Yes. - Wow. - She's crazy as fuck. - Yeah, that's the kind of. - For people like that, like the fuck out. - That's fantastic, 'cause she's in there all day. She's still like super polite like that. Like it doesn't even, she doesn't even know basically where she is. That's crazy. - No, like isn't giving like girl like you don't, she doesn't understand like her brain don't work, I don't think like. - No. - No, that's not so. - So what if, so if I get found like guilty of anything tomorrow, so what's gonna happen? - Can they, I don't know. - Like am I going straight to Mary's room or like, do I have a sentencing? Like I'm confused. - I don't know, baby. I don't know. This is something I never in a million years thought we'd be having to queue with so we'll go through and I don't know. - Yeah, no, I would be the one to just get like, fucked up and like, not like that, like it fucked up. - It's not your fault. Not your fault. - I know, but it would be everyone would try to make a scene like that and would try to make me go to jail by the way. - She's got more active with the wrong family, really. - Yeah, it's like basically, they suck. And it's like, I don't like them. - No. - It's so weird to be like, yep, terrible people, I know. We will see, then we'll just deal with whatever it is. - I remember when my one of my friends got that, like, voicemail from like the drug enforcement, the DEA. - Yeah. - And I showed Mr. Russo because I wanted to like, protect Angela because like, I knew Angela was like selling drugs. - Yeah, was that nice? - And then she wanted to like, she sent it to the police, like, and then did it left out the part where I like said, like, I'm worried for Angela. That's interesting. - So she went, I can't see, I can't see, I'm so sorry. - I can feel interesting, like, I love how they just like, like, to leave out like, little bits of information, like. - Sure, of course, yep, 'cause it doesn't fit their narrative. - It's just terrible, terrible, terrible people. I'm sorry. - That's just so weird too. I'm looking cannot. but more of the response online, people are like, well it could have been this, it could have been that, it could have been this, it could have been that. >> People are all saying that. >> Yeah, nobody knows. Nobody knows. >> So people don't think it was my fault? >> There's a lady, no, the one was like, I don't think it was intentional. >> No, that's what that, that's what the general consensus has become. Because the law, it's because of one. >> No, no, no, no. No, because there's still other people that are like, how do I care if she did this, this, and this. And she should get the death penalty. Like that person doesn't know you, but that's how some people are talking. >> No, no. >> You make the right choice. >> Is it more good or more bad? >> It's more good. It's better now. You made the right choice. >> Okay. >> It's more of a good woman like, what? >> I've just been like, feel with your ship for so long. It's like draining so bad. Like I learned like, I'm not. >> You made the right, okay. >> Yeah. >> But you didn't make the right choice. The thing I'm talking about is only a conversation between like five people. >> Okay. >> And this doesn't matter what any way it seems. I'm not going to say anything. >> I don't know. >> You don't know anything. >> They've seen the evidence that they had. >> No, they didn't. >> Okay. >> Because we only saw what the media reported. Remember, we know how the media reports. Right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Everything. >> There was like a headline where it was like, girl. Like, girl charged with like murdering like two males in car. So we would actually, like they'd read the headline. >> Exactly. And the church thing is still on there. >> The church charges. >> Yeah. It's still on one of the, I think, channel 19 or something, which is so asked nine. >> And girl, like, I did not break into that church. I don't give a fuck. I did not break into that church. I was in the car. How am I? They don't know if I wanted to leave. I, less than what, why the fuck would I be in the car if I didn't want to leave? >> Julie, I do. You recorded it. You were like, I just want to go to wheelies. I don't want to be here. Don't touch anything. Don't break anything. I just don't want to be here. >> I have that. I don't know anything. Nobody knows anything. >> Yeah. Like, the only charge that, like, I think that, like, I shouldn't even be charged with it, though. Like, because it was dumb. But, like, I understand how to take that fucking bullshit. The fucking drugs. >> Oh, yep. >> That's irritating. >> And he should know him better, too. And that makes me mad. I'm mad at him for that. He's telling you that you can't get in trouble for just to hold everything. >> He always told me that. He always had me hold everything. >> I know. That's because you were a minor. And he was using you for that. >> I don't even know if it was, like, a bad thing or. I don't think he was doing it to be bad or mean, but he was just. Well, he was young and stupid, too, you know? I know. Can the everybody knows? Okay. In fact, the way that person's talking online. >> Face thinks it's a girl who's going off the rails because they called Gina a bald headed bitch. >> I think I know who it is. But I think I know what it is. >> Do you think it's a girl, too? >> Yeah. >> Because Facebook, like, how many boys do you know call a girl a bald headed bitch? >> I just feel like I know who it is. >> I don't know. >> Narrow it down and think of who it is, too. >> They are posting it everywhere. >> Because what friend did I hang out with Davian and Dom? It was like, it was only like. I can only think of one friend, like, one girl that was like me with me Davian and Dom. But I'm present. >> Yeah. >> You have to ask them if it was them. >> I will. >> Okay. >> I'll call. >> I'll make a personal phone call. >> There you go. >> There's no record of that conversation. >> I'm glad it came out, but because it was 100 percent right. >> Yeah, that's true. >> Yes. >> And, like, yeah, I speak. Everybody speaks though. Like, everybody speaks. I don't understand. Like, they make it seem like they don't speak. >> That's how Davian drove. But that's only how Davian drove. So, excuse me. >> He was a car boy. >> I know. So. >> I know. So. So, don't worry. However, this goes tomorrow. You know, one foot in front of the other will deal with the next step. Whatever the next step is. Whatever the next step is, though, can be you are going to be okay. Right? Well, check it out. You survived, Julie. You survived in County. Right? Right? That's what I mean. Like, and very so. It's apparently. It's what I'm saying. But you got to go there. I don't either. And if you have to go back to, to Julie, then you know how that is. It's whatever, but. Because you. You know. >> One minute back. >> All of this now. So, whatever happens next. >> It will set me free. >> You got it. We'll deal with it as it comes. But you are going to be okay. And you're making friends everywhere you go. Everywhere you go. Because you're an amazing person. >> Yeah, I help people everywhere. I go, like, I said, one lady, like, a job, kind of. >> That's right. >> But, you know, it's like one minute left. So, I just love you so much, mom. >> I love you, too, baby. I love you too. >> I'll call you guys next time I come out. >> No, we got our video call at 9. >> Well, I know that's something. I call you next time I come out. They know I got a video call at 9. >> Okay. But I love you so so much, mom. >> Baby, I love you so much. I love you, too. >> I'll talk to you later. So, I have a call at 9. 38 in 8.30. >> What? >> Cool. >> Thank you. >> But I love you so much, mom. I'll talk to you next time. >> I'll talk to you at 9.30. I love you so much. >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> Please. >> I love you too. >> I'm curious. >> Hello. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang out and follow the facility instructions to register this number as a private number. >> Hey, mom. Hey, pumpkin. >> Who's Steve and Campo? >> Why? >> Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Hi. How are you? I just came across your story online. I just wanted to reach out and see how you're doing. I'm Steve. This is the 43 from Long Island, New York. >> Holy crap. >> I've been on the long side of a lot of drinking and driving twice, so I know how being one self can get. If you ever want to talk or need a friend, I'm here for you. >> Hi. >> Hello. >> Say, hey. >> Hey. Can you ask somebody what the numbers for the wordiness? So messages are working. >> Oh, yeah. I want the message. I'm blessed. So tell me who will message you. >> Hold on. I'm messaging Steve and Campo back. >> Okay. I'm going to write his name down. [laughter] >> Kenzie. >> Hmm. >> It's on the Today Show. >> What? >> They're all telling you they're about to get ready for the biggest fucking plot twist of the century, right? >> What? >> What did they say about me? >> No, no, no. It's not on the TV. It's just online. And they're just re-posting the story. But that's okay. That's okay. Right? That's all right. Plot twist, bitch. [laughter] Right. That's okay. Write your book. Start writing your book. You hear what I'm saying? >> I need my baby book to write in my book, though. >> I know. Well, maybe I can read it. >> I'll start it, though. >> You start writing your book. So, okay, I'm going to write these names down from these randoms. >> That's so nice though that they're doing it. Because they've been-- >> I'll put that time in list. Because that's like-- I mean, I want to be telling her about this name. Stephen, can't see-- >> Hey, MPO. >> Okay. That was nice. Good. I was going to call the warden today and ask her about-- >> Oh, my God. I got no sleep last night. Tell me why. Like, she was just fake throwing up all night. Like, it was so irritating. Like-- >> Whoo! >> Yeah. It's like making herself throw up all night. I just had a little-- >> What? >> All night. Yeah. Like, it was disgusting. Yeah. Whoa. That noise just makes me wonder. Yes, I kind of liked her here all night. >> What the hell? [laughs] >> She didn't move off the path. Why is she like a-- What the fuck? What? Well, the one of the girls that we, like, I talked to in here, is I like a-- >> Uh-oh. Why would happen? Hmm. Oh, yeah. I have highly video content that I have for. Yay! Yeah. Oh, I hope they work. Okay, so nice degree to reach out. I need all the support I get. I'm hoping. But truth comes out eventually. >> Just say, you know, yeah. E-V-E-N-T-E-U. Oh, I got to type it. A. No. No. T-U-A-L-L-Y. Oh my God, I'm so glad you're message in Oregon. I need all the support again, I'm hoping that you could come down eventually. And then talk about his. Thank you. What happened, you want to share your story? Time in jail. So it's scary. Wait, I didn't hear your last sentence. I said this is my first time in jail, so it's scary all the way. How long were you locked up? You can't even say something like, after this, I feel like half the people in jail are innocent. Remember, just don't talk about the case with anybody, right? Because we don't know, he could be a reporter, we don't know. Oh, I wish he was a reporter, I'll talk to him. No, you can't talk about the case though. You just don't know who anybody is. Remember, you cannot talk about the case at all. I know, I think it's random. Right. Or with anybody, but yes, especially random. We don't know who they are. I feel like half the people in jail are innocent. Yeah, 100%. Oh, I got my books. Yay! Oh, that's a quick turn on time. Because usually, when I drop stuff out at you, you get like four days, five days later. And I get hashtag free chance. There you go. That's what I'm going to do. Oh, I'm so nervous. And he even sent me, oh, he did. He sent me a stamp, so he knows. Yeah. Oh. I'm dead as fuck. Just remember, they could be reporters, so. Oh, I got one from the other case. New faith. I have to, I'm a message, what's his name now? He's Kevin. I'm from Maditol Hayhaw. I have to lighten the case very hot. I do love that you can call me all the time, though. Oh, I know. I love that. Me too. Oh, I need to. Hold on. Somebody is showing. Somebody is showing. Could it just like it makes me nervous? We've been wearing random showers. Why? I don't know. I need a piece of paper. You was loud last night. Why would you puke in? You already telling you to be quiet? [Laughter] Oh my goodness. That's very cute. You got to keep the paper. All right. Thank you. I'm about to write down so I can message them back. She's like, wait, wait. Tell me why last night. She's like, you're just like, you're going to die, and I'm going to die. And I'm going to come into your body. I'm like telling you this. I don't know. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to come into your body. I'm like, oh my god. I wish my mom could hear this. I was like, what the fuck is going on? Oh my god. Oh, and I got a video call at these times. But, what? What's this? And then, that will tell you, you're going to be here all day or just for this one. 135. Yeah, I'm just there for this one. The rest of these are on me here. All right. All right. Thank you. All right. I'm going to talk about. Wait, Kevin, what's Kevin's last name? Zimmerman, Z-I-M-M-E-R-M-A-N. He's from Madison, Northeast Ohio. Okay. And where is Stephen Campbell from New York? Yes, Long Island, New York. Oh, my god. I just know I have this feeling that something's going to happen, like, with all these people reaching out. Like, they actually feel like. Yeah. Like, remember that one guy who got arrested for murder? And he became like a model because he was just like, everyone's like loving his mug shot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Who was that? I'm just going to react there and shit now. Like, I watched a movie with him and. You did? Yes. Oh, what? It's called the Secret Society. It's the goodest book. Yeah, you are. Oh, yeah, it's fine. Steve, now he was arrested for murder. He probably didn't even do anything. That's my sub. Okay. Hold on. Okay. Hold on. I'm sure. So, yeah, we can talk about anything. Like, what do you like to do? I. What. Do. I. Heart. To do. And then, what music? Or music? Music. Oh, my gosh. Did you hear anything last night? Yeah. I turned the clock. I think I did. I didn't get up. That was faith. Oh, God knew she was going to come. I should have been ready. She was playing music. That was her and the yelled, "Casey!" I gave them your YouTube channel. And they were bumping music from your YouTube channel. They were supposed to be there in 8/30, but he didn't get off until super late. I was probably sleep. But, like, I saw where I heard something. That's what I told her. I'm like, "She's probably sleeping already." Oh. Doesn't that sound so sweet? She's so sweet. Sorry. I love this. Mm-hmm. I wonder who the other one is with. How many of these messages are from you? Like, the video chat. I think I have two. I do my two nighttime ones. Maybe. What do you have? What time are they? 7/30. Like, you're two and then one at one and one at seven. Same again. Come on, after I'm texting, I'll do a second. Okay. I usually -- oh, my God, we get calm today. I'm so freaking excited for you. I usually can talk every day, but the system. Okay. I'm so glad I remember to tell you this. Please, for sentencing. I want you to bring me -- my -- my dime girl shirt. I want to wear that while I'm being sentenced. Oh. And I want to wear my black jersey track suit. With my dime girl shirt. Okay. I mean, what does it even matter? I mean, she already had her opinion on me the whole time. So, I'm wearing my dime shirt. Black jersey. And -- oh. Okay. That's what you've got arrested. And actually, right? Yeah. Okay. Because that's in the bag. I'm like, I know where that is. That's all in that bag. Okay. I can't believe I said that for consentence. People are so gross. Like, the judge that's doing Trump's case. She's getting threatening letters from people that if Trump's not elected in 2024, they're going to come to her house and kill her. Like, people are so gross. Social media just -- I hope this -- I wonder what Dom would think about this. With you? Or Trump? Trump. You know he would totally be on Trump's side. I know. His business, man. Good business, man. What's that? He would totally be. Oh, my God. This is so annoying. Oh, hold on. I'm going to -- I have one at 135, seven o'clock, seven thirty, and eight. Oh, maybe I do have one. Does it take all to my table? I don't care. I like when I do it because it helps us stay out longer. I think I did because I wasn't sure if the terminal was going to work. And that way, if it wasn't working, then a call would be on another one. No, all my calls are on this terminal. Okay. That might all be at the end. Oh, my God. Even Campo. That is so fucking funny. That's very nice. It's a little bit weird. So, yeah, keep your guard up. So far. I'm 43. I know you're 19 because it's set it on the news. But I'm 43. So, what's up? Oh, my God. Many people are paying money to talk to you. As they should. Wild. Oh, um. Page text me. Oh, did she have everyone? No. Oh, um. Michigan. I think so because she's a mess, Henry. What did she say? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's so long. It's so long. It's so long. She's been in your situation before. I know. I wish to talk about all the time. Yep. But she didn't get charged. Whatever we can't talk about it right now. On the phone. Anyway, she knows that you love Dominic with all your heart. And you saw yourself being with him, you know, all the way to the end of life. You know, and married and everything. Grow old together. I just want to tell her I'm here for her and I support her no matter what. So I'm going to send her the information to download. Did you hear all that okay or was it broken up? I love her. Mm hmm. And then anti-static, um, Stephanie and Tiffany are posting. You know, don't believe the media. Don't believe everything you hear. We're ever going to stop fighting. Hashtags. We're going to stop fighting. Hashtags. Hashtags. Hashtags. Hashtags. Hashtags. Hashtags. Hashtags. may be monitored. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number to accept charges and could thank you for using Securus. Hello. Hey, Franco. Oh, I got a message, um, what was I going to say, um, from Stacy. Oh, yay! Hi, I love her. She was here before. Oh, I'm glad. Good. I love that you can talk to these people. All your friends and everybody that loves you. She said they have, she has letters for me and books that her son wrote me too. Oh, wow. Yeah, somebody else has a bunch of letters too. Nicole? Oh, um, Nug, Nugwife? Yeah. She's got some stuff too. And I just said, well, don't send anything yet. Just keep it. I don't know what's happening. So, um, everybody's stuff is so penning and please make it some more today. What was this supposed? Oh, I love Stacy. Oh, I got no sleep last night. I was so mad last night. Was it her? Mom, it was so bad last night. She said something to help her. I don't know. What are they going to do? They're going to come banging on the wall. Like, shut the fuck up, shut up. Like, yelling at her all last night. Like, she was so fucking irritating last night. Like, she was pissing me off, so fucking bad. Like, I was about to freak the fuck out last night. And like, she, first of all, she got to like, like, talking to herself. Like, I don't even know what she would say. She didn't know. I was up all night just from her. From her. Not shutting the fuck up. Sorry. Do you get a pillow under? Oh, I'm using my blanket as a pillow. Okay. I have two. Okay. I wasn't sure. But today I have to work from 8 to 445. Oh, that's not bad. Oh, oh. Oh, my God. What? From the face last night. I was banging. She heard me banging. I know she didn't want to leave. She's like, I don't want to leave. I just want to set up a tent here and stay here. She said, once I started yelling with people in the building next to us, started yelling. That was so fun last night. Mm-hmm. It was fun hearing you both scream at the same time. I was banging hard as well. I have a little picture. They say, "Time me appointed to the room, your room." I took a little picture of them pointing to the room you would. I think they could see you, but I couldn't see you in the photo. I'm so tired. I'm so tired. Oh, I'm so tired. I'm so tired. This is where you're in your room. I'm in the middle of the party. Of course. I was in the middle of the party. Oh, you were in the middle. No, I was working. I remember I had to make up my hour. But, you know, the kids just were playing in the puddles and they were playing basketball. Oh, he's like at the basketball agency now. Oh, my God. Yes. He's been upset. I wish I'd done what I love to play basketball. Oh, my God. They would have had so much fun. I know. I know. I know. I know, baby. Oh. Okay. Tomorrow should be my last day in my room. Oh, right. And then what happened? And I couldn't see you. Oh, I know. I know, baby. Oh. Okay. Oh, right. And I come out with general population based on their room a long time though. Because we have so many people who have to come out at different times. They're still on the seventh floor. Yeah. Okay. Hopefully I get moved though. I don't know though. No, no, no. If you don't, that's really okay. I like that you're pretty excited. I don't like that. I don't really care what you think. I know what I think and what I think. I understand I'm saying I'm okay either way. I'm not. So did you ever get a call back? No. Uh-uh. Is that lovely? Yeah, I don't know what I'm supposed to do like. But I really can't do it. I really can't do it. I'm going to freak out. I don't know why they put me with like, these are shoes, these are pieces of shoes. Are we like, you're going to meet me like, you're going to meet me like, you're going to create a beauty. Can you, um, move your room? No. Like, seeing four different rooms? No. No. No. Not like, no. I'm so excited. Like, I like to hate her so much. I literally fucking hate her. Like, so goddamn much. I know, I think I did that. My love. I'm not forget. I hate that. I hate that. So you can be. Hey, baby. Hey. What's better? Nothing. I just woke up. Oh, okay. No. I just sleep. Why? Because the bitch in the room, right behind you just talks to herself all night. And like, it's loud all night. And it's so like she does not sleep ever. Sorry. I don't like her. No. I'm sorry. Hopefully. No. The score should be, I need to be off the score. Okay. I see. I mean, we're going to fight out tomorrow. So, I mean, one more night. Hopefully. Yeah. I'm very very very very tomorrow. Hey, I meet you, pumpkin. I'm angry. I'm coming tomorrow. Yeah, absolutely. That's what I keep me away. Okay. All my friends and people to come tomorrow. Do what is the best we can, pumpkin. All right. I love you so much, Dave. I love you, too, pumpkin. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I'm angry for you. I'm really angry for you. Yeah, I'm really angry for you. Yeah, I'm really happy for you. Yeah. I'm going to go to the store and just on the finish of the swing set. So. Did you ever ask a thing about all my stuff at that um-downs house? Did you just try to figure it out? No, we just talked about the yesterday, remember? I know you said we brought it up in court, what they did, but that doesn't mean it's coming out. No, no, I haven't had that. That's not anything. No, you asked me about it yesterday. On the phone. No, then I have. No, not yet. I don't want to get figured out, honey. Do you know what the job would be? Please put a picture of me. It made Dom into the trash kit. And the prosecutor was like, "Did you do that?" And he was like, "I did that." So. What are wrong with them? First of all, Dom didn't even like you, first of all. I don't know why everyone meant Dom didn't even fuck with that much. It's like a protector of like black and brown. We were just supposed to. Well, he didn't respond, so this should have been the first time that that was not going to happen. I just couldn't see him, so bad. I just been thinking about everything that they said. Like, now we're just like starting to like come to me, like, what was that? I'm like, "What the fuck is this?" I was really like, "Evil is fucked." Yes, they are. Well, they're hurt, too. This is making it worse. I just want to see if they're hurt, but it's just like, years like I've been like it's just like, "I don't see them. We don't need to see them. We just need to see them." We just need to see them. It's the whole family is just, I can't get with it because. Oh, my gosh. We've just been waiting you, but everything you saw is the thing that they said to you personally, and the messages of love and kindness towards everybody. I don't get it. They would like fight for me and shit. Yes, I don't get it. Like, what the fuck? We love you. You're safe with us. You'll always be part of our field. I don't get it. That's a level of evil. I will never, ever, ever, ever understand because why? They didn't have to do all that. If it didn't exist to me. Or they could have just not even sent nothing and just like, they could have left our side or some shit, but no, they just wanted you here to slip. Right. Like, you didn't have to invite us into your home and your heart and say those things. Like, that was completely unnecessary. That, that's crazy, cycle level. That's crazy. I don't understand that part. That's messed up. I don't know. Like, you didn't have to go out to dinner with her. You didn't have to come over to housing drop-off gifts for her. That's weird. It's weird. That's, I mean, that was completely unnecessary. I don't even know why. What kind of mental bullshit is that? I hate it here. Like, I literally hate it here so much. Yeah. I'm not sure. Like, get the fuck off of me. He's on me. He's on me. He's on me. He's on me. He's on me. He's on me. He's on me. You have one minute left. Yes. We can do one more time. Oh my gosh. Did you get my message this morning? Huh? Did you get my email this morning? Yeah. I'll call you back. I'll have to log in. But yeah, I'm going to call you back then log in and tell you. Yeah, you can call me like one more time and then I have to work. I'm going to reply when I'm off the phone. Yeah. Yeah. Don't even read anything yet. I just don't know if you've thought it yet. Save it. So when we're off the phone. Oh, yeah. About the call. Yes. You're only two dollars? Yes. Two freaky dollars. Yes. Oh, yeah. That's good. Holy shit. I'll call you back. Okay. Right now. Yes. I could have set up my card. In the Juby thing on this app too. I didn't know that. I went online. They said go to.net. So that's where I went, which was wrong. Thank you for using secure. The caller has hung up. Hello. This is a collect call from. If you believe this should be a private call. Please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To consent to this recorded call. Thank you for using Securus. Hey. Hello. Hey. Oh, sorry. I thought you would. I didn't hear you. That's okay. What are you doing? I was talking to my mom for it. Oh, my God. The store is right. Every time I can talk, I hear myself talk. And then you talk. This phone, Chidiere. Is another one? It's just the echo. I do with it. It works sometimes too. It's really hard and weird. I'm writing Antifini now. At the hang that you guys. So much. So much. I can't wait for the video call. You need to take screenshots when I'm on video call. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. 100%. And get to post my pictures. What? What? I want you to post those pictures. No, I'm not doing. No. Why? Nobody knows. The first sentence of this can't. I want you to maybe send. Send some to this can. Because I'll be posted. It's better like the cute ones. From school. I should have been. Yes, from school. Center them. When I was thinking them. I think they're the camera here too. Oh my god, I don't have enough stamps. How do I buy stamps? What the fuck? I have to buy stamps. I have to purchase stamps. One stamp. Two stamps are cheapest for combined stamps. There you go. For $12, right? No, no. Ten stamps are $2 and five stamps are $1. Oh yeah, super cheap. Okay, I just bought five stamps. Okay. Oh, who are you texting? I'm going to text face again and be like, "There you go, yeah." I think I saw you. And then as soon as all your friends come in, you can start just texting them on your own, because you'll have the results. What did you say? And then as soon as your other friends come in, or anybody else, you can just text them whenever, because you'll have the results. Right, because now you can go second. Did you get notifications when I text? Did you send me one? Were they waving? I think, yeah. I think so. Yes, sir. That's okay, she's kind of her friends, but they're in hopes that she's fierce. She didn't even know what to do. So if you yell, if you come close to the building and yell, I can hear. Okay. I hear music from Carson. If y'all are going, "Can we," or like, "If y'all get to bring a speaker and playing loud music, I will hear." Okay. Oh my god, this guy is singing and knowing his foot. So what was dinner? What do you think your wife would be eating? Meat would be eaten in like tortillas with, like, right. So it was like giving tacos, but like, it was weird. Oh, you had to make your own. That sounds yummy, actually. What did you eat? There has to be hashtags in this bit. Oh, there it is. Yeah, it's above the three. What did you eat? What did you eat? I just told you I ate the rice. Not the tortillas? I tasted the tortilla, but it was soaking wet. Okay. And I got these cookies. Me and I freeze and give me these. You do? Yeah, that's awesome. You're going to take care of that one. But you had cookies too? Oh, yeah. It was like these little, like, Oreos that they wasn't Oreos. These are off-brand, Oreos, Oreos. I do love it. I mean, you can see the city, though. That's kind of cool. Oh, I love looking out my window at night. There was a browse game. I was staring outside. I seemed like some cards. I always look out my window. I have to, like, stand out books. So I stack all my books up so I can, like, see out the window. And then I stand on my book. And I just, like, stare out the window. Good. And does the fun set on your side or no? Would you say that in this? I can't see the sunset. Oh, the moon? What could you see that day? I can't see shit. All I see is buildings. I see all the construction. Put on. OK. I can see the sunset. What do you have? OK. OK. I can't see the sunset from a window that's, like, right in front of me. Oh, good. But I have to look at it. It's not in my room. But I'm good. Oh. I thought I would get in trouble if I went in the corner. It would be like, get the fuck out of the corner. Because I wasn't going to look out there. Hold on. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] I'm still here. Hold on. OK. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] So what do you have to go back in your room at 9.30 anyway? Yeah, what time is it? 9.25. 9.25. Oh, yeah, shit. Yeah. All right, I just said you must have liked the contact. Oh, that subject. Yeah, that's kind of cool. I love this shit. Yeah, one out of my five stamps. What'd you say? Oh, my God. Oh, your face already texted me back. Yeah. I love you so much. I'm waiting for you instead of calling you. But I love you so much, Mom. I'm going to keep texting you, though. I think I could text you when the phone's called off. I don't know, though. I don't know, either. I would love to keep you there. I'm going to try to talk to you as soon as possible tomorrow. OK, tips, pay attention to the board. Because we got a video call in the morning. What time? Like around 9.30 or something? OK, I'm going to tell my staff. Yeah. I mean, if you missed it, we-- No, we're not going to miss it. But I love you so, so, so much, Mom. Wait, you could 9.30 or 9. A little after 9.19. Just check the board when you wake up. All right, I love you so much, Mom. I love you too, baby. I love you so much, Mom. She's like, "You know, you have to keep off easy. She's, she's, she's, she's always a speed look. I don't know what to do." Oh! Really, she's actually like, "You don't need that. She's, she's so cute." Oh my God! Oh my God! Freaking finally, some normal fee. Bubba message me. Oh my God, him. Holy snow. About your friend group, Kenzie. You got, you got some, you got some amazing friends, my love. Bubba and yeah, Bubba and Rosie, hold on. I'm gonna tell you what she said. I'm about to get eye-fed, too. Oh my gosh. Okay. Good. Did you, did Jay, Jayna was freaking out. Did you respond to her? Jayna, yeah. She says she's at you, too, when you haven't responded yet. So, can you just send her one? Yeah, hold on. Roll quick and just make sure. Yeah, Bubba said like, "The final line boys are mad at food." What? Like, he's saying, "I know the boys are mad at fuck up there." Oh, where? What's your head glow? Huh? What are you talking about? Oh, me getting sentenced. Oh, his friends are mad about that. Is that what he's saying? What? Who's that? The boys like Donna Davian? Oh, yes. Yes. Yep. So, did you have breakfast? I didn't eat breakfast. I literally just got up. We're out to 11 and shit. Wow. What does your roommate look like? She's eating weasel. She's like, "Is it fees I need to be the case?" She's like, "Is it fees I need to be the case?" Oh, wow. She's eating weasel. She's eating weasel. She's like, "Is it fees I need to be the case?" Oh, no. So, I'm going to read what Bubba said because it just keeps like fucking deleting me. It said, "Yo, Kenzie, it's Bubba. What's Bubba's family? We're going to get through this. Trust me. You got me and Rosie. We got you. We done put this motherfucker together like a puzzle. You feel me? We're going to get you straight. I promise my boys up there. Matt is out right now at these people. I know they are. And it's funniest fuck. The more I go through life, the more I see me and Rosie shaping into you and Dom. Oh. It's crazy. We're going to live on with them. I'm trying to shape my image into Dave and Dom. They're going to live on a promise that. Yes. But I keep trying to reply. It keeps fucking deleting me. Oh, it's the 22nd of August. So it's a special day. But yes, I'm so happy that I got moved. Oh, my God. Me too. I just heard the girl in the room next to me. She's like, "She's a fire." And I'm like, "Oh, my goodness." I'm banging on the wall. If there was a fire, they probably wouldn't evacuate us. But I just told her that I was like-- I would hope they would. They probably would. I was scared last night a little bit. Yeah. I was like, "I just smoked a little tiny bit, but I don't know if I was like tweaking and making myself smoke." I wonder if there was a fire. Maybe there was a fire in the kitchen. I'm irritated as well. I'm actually trying to send this message and it's like deleting it. Oh, do all the video things work on here also? Okay, so I don't need to worry about video calls anymore. Oh, my God. Yeah. So, okay, so where are you on the phone now? In the room or out? Oh, I don't have my iPad yet. No, so you're out like with the rest of the people? Yeah, I'm in the pod. Tell me why I got on the pod and they're like, "I seen you on the news." That's embarrassing as fuck. And they was laughing at me. Why did they say? Why were they laughing? I don't know if they just seen me on the news. Wild. Yeah, and her. God, Ms. Beebe, she wrote me this letter and it was so sad that she was like-- And then she said something that I, like, it took Ms. accident to make me realize, like, she, Beebe, the one girl that, like, Belinda. I don't know what it is. The one girl that knows Ms. Cynthia, that was in Juvee too? Oh, I thought her name was Melinda with the M. No, Bee. Oh, so she wrote you? Yeah, she wrote me a little letter and she was like, "If people smile and ask you, at least she said something about, like, people smile and ask you, don't mean they're on your side or something like that. I have to read it to you." And it took me, like, a long time to realize that. You realize what? Probably, like, Ms. Russo would smile in my face and, like, clearly she has, like, ill intentions. Oh. Me, sorry, Kirby. She had more than smile. (inaudible) Would you say, did you make that remembrance page? Why is it doing this shit? I'm irritated. To the who was talking. What do you mean? Who says voice in the background? Beebe, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me. Oh no. Beebe, she says, I'm a bee, that's me, that's me, that's me. Oh, that's cool. She's easily just beeswook. She's at least like user. Good. Good. She's no like you, too. I'm not until 11, so I have, like, more time on the phone and shit. Why does it work? See, shit. Why ought to work? Well, I need my iPad. Sure, you'll have to just deal. So, let's, I got to work at 8. Okay, and then we have our video call at 145. So, we'll kind of break up our day like that. And then you tell me what you would rather do, a video call or a phone call. Both. But, well, no, I mean, during the day. No, I like to keep that video call. Yeah, I'm just going to keep it like that because I want to see you. And then I see, we'll talk in the morning. I'll see your face in the middle. Okay, and it just canceled me out again. Yes, it's annoying. That's annoying. Were you up with Danny? Was it school? Why? Why didn't you make me up? Why? I don't know, it was curious because she always makes me up. It's curious. Um. Oh, my gosh. So, that had been like super exciting for you to say, hey, Kendra, we're getting moved. Let's go. What do you think? That had to be exciting less. I had such a bad headache last night. I thought I was going to throw up. That's how bad my head hurt. Yeah. And the one staff comes up and she's like, you're getting moved. And I'm like, hey, God, look, thank God. Headache goes away. It's feeling great. What do you say? Your headache went away. It started feeling great. You still have a headache? No. Good. I was just trying to get a headache. I'm just trying to get a headache. the news. It's divided, Kent. It's divided. A lot of people, yeah. A lot of people think you should have gotten, you know, life with the trolls, the internet trolls, and the evil people, right? I think you should, you know, basically, throw all of your life for ever more, ever, ever, ever. Then there's people saying, "I'm just sorry, I'm not okay with that. This is just, is weird, and it doesn't add up, and I'm not okay with it." And then somebody for life, for this, blah, blah, blah. Then there's other people saying, "You know, I know with a family, I know who she is. You guys are wrong. You can't say thing." You know what I mean? So there's that. Oh my God, I guess what my dream was last night. I just, sorry, I was like, "Remember this? It's not a dream, but like, I had like, such a bad danger, but like, I was like peeling off like giant ass chunks, but like, it was ripping my hair out with it, like, the chunks." I was like, "I was like, I had a huge bulge by on my head. I was like, I had to go my dream was." No, that's scary. So are people reaching out to you or anything? Yeah, I got messages from strangers. Then there's this one who posted this whole big one saying, "Total stranger." She said, "I've been following this case. I just want you to know that I love you, and I forget, you know, I forgive you, but Kenzie, I do not think that you should be in jail. I mean, it's so, let me, let you go." I was going to mess them up because it's so long. She says, "I'm open. Can you hear me okay?" Yeah. My open letter to Mackenzie. First of all, let me say what you did is not okay, but you know, you know, something people make mistakes. We all made mistakes. The Bible teaches forgiveness. I forgive you, Mackenzie. The judge should have let you go. It was just a car accident. And some car accidents happen. I wish you the best of luck. I know how you feel. I'm so sorry. The judge gave you 15 years. I will pray for you. And I hope that your life will get better. God bless you, Mackenzie. The Bible also teaches us to love the center not to sin. I love you, Mackenzie. You suffered enough. I want you to stop suffering. Jesus Christ will always be there for you. It's just that society doesn't understand that mental health is a genetic disease. Mental health is not a crime. Your parents should have made sure you got counseling from a very good counselor when you were younger. I'm dead. I know. What do they think they're all with me? Well, they remember they think you did it on purpose, remember? Because I don't know. You have one at a time. So I also want to say life is already tough as it is. So for all you people on social media attacking her, please stop. It's not going to make it better just as the pain. Just leave her alone and she has suffered enough. Wait, I'm going to hang up and call you on another one right now. Hold on. Okay. I love you. Oh, let me. Okay. So I'm curious to know what you thought about all those calls. Again, I just think it's so silly that what her mom seems to be prioritized with is like being in the group chat, working the Instagram account. What are people saying? What living in the comment section giving Mackenzie a pass when Mackenzie is talking crap about people and being a bitch and kind of soaking it up almost like she's one of the parents, I believe wholeheartedly, who wants to be Mackenzie's friend more than Mackenzie's parent. And look, I don't know, maybe she was an outcast in school and like maybe she had no friends. And so maybe she sees her daughter as the popular girl, the cool girl, and she wants to fit in with her daughter in that way, because she never had that growing up. Possibly who the heck knows, but I think we can all agree that there was a very huge lack of actual parenting in this dynamic and relationship. And that leads me into everything with her dad. I mentioned this a little bit earlier in the episode that there's text messages circulating several text messages as a matter of fact, from different days, where Mackenzie is asking her dad, bring me warm milk. Can I have warm milk? And that they're all in the late hours between I think the earliest was around 11 30 p.m. with some around 3 a.m. So people are like, first of all, what 17 18 year old is asking their dad for warm milk? Who drinks warm milk? Who would be asking for it in the middle of the night? She could get it herself, like all of these things. So let me start kind of at the beginning. I understand why it is very easy to jump to conclusions and think that that is code, especially given the state of the world right now. We live in a very sick ass world where there is a lot of incest, there is a lot of disgusting things that happen behind closed doors. And 1,000 percent I can see where people would make that assumption. I, here's what I know, okay? I know that warm milk is a very popular thing. Usually, yes, when you're younger, but to fall asleep, it helps you fall asleep. My mom actually used to give it to me when I was younger. I don't drink warm milk anymore. Let me just clarify that. I do drink regular milk sometimes. I'm like a cookie and milk monster sometimes, but that's besides the point. But it is a sleep aid or it's a natural way to help you fall asleep. Now, do I think this 17 year old, 18 year old girl needed that to fall asleep? It seemed like she had plenty of medications and natural remedies at her disposal to help her sleep, whether that be weed, drugs, other thing who knows, alcohol, whatever. But I don't believe, and I could totally be wrong. I don't believe that this was code for them sleeping together. And I could be wrong. Maybe I'll be eating my words in a few weeks. Who knows? I do think that it's possible that it was code for something else, maybe blunt, maybe something else because it also has heavily been insinuated. I'm just going to clarify, this is speculation, not proof, but that Dom, we know that Dom, you know, allegedly was dealing in a facilitator of weed and things like that. It's been alleged that he was also Steve Sherilla, McKenzie's father's plug and that that's how Steve would get weed and that that's why he didn't really care that she was hanging out with Dom or that she was smoking and that it was kind of like all in the family in that regard. So could it have been code for blunt or for weed? Could it have been code for something? Possibly, who knows? It is hard for me to understand why she would just be asking for warm milk in the middle of the night so many times. And again, unless like she is truly like this is a big façade and she acts tough and she's really not. I mean, we know that she stole the primary bedroom from her parents. We know that she moved out before she was even 18. We know that she didn't have any rules dressed like a little Hootie, like had no repercussions ever that even when she was a mean girl at school and got caught for that. Her dad believed her through and through and was like, all I needed you to say was that you didn't do it. And I sat with my daughter, which it's like that kind of blind loyalty when you're a parent doesn't really fly. You have to actually investigate the situation and make sure you're raising a good human. So my point is, sorry, I sat I tracked a little bit. So also people are saying when she would order her drinks, she did it as dairy free. Now, I don't know, I don't drink Starbucks, I don't drink coffee much. I don't know what it means when you get oat milk, almond milk versus cow milk, all of that. It could maybe she did dairy free because she had a dairy allergy and that. And maybe it was a different kind of milk and maybe she's not going to say to her dad, bring me up warm almond milk. She's just going to say warm milk and he'll know I don't really know. I think it's I think there's so much hatred for McKenzie right now, right fully so that I think people are grasping it straws a little bit and trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill and and they hate her parents as well. So like they're happy to drag them under the bus with them, which look, maybe I'm wrong and maybe you're listening to this and you're like, Annie, you are a complete effing moron. Obviously, there was something sinister going on between the two of them. Maybe you're right. But from what I have seen in true incest cases, whether it's consensual or non-consensual, I just have a feeling that is not what this is and that people are reading a little too far into it. But that's not to say that it can't be code for something else that there still was not a horrific dynamic between the two of them in regards to parenting and responsibility and again, raising her properly. But that's kind of where I'm at with that. So if anything changes in my opinion, I will let you know, even though like I said, I plan this to be the final episode on McKenzie that we do. But that's where I'm at. And I've seen so many people tag me and send me like the screenshots, the TikToks being like, have you seen this? What do you make about this? I had a couple people come up to me at CrimeCon too. Like, have you heard about this? I felt like I wanted to at least address it so that you know where I stand on the issue. Like, I'm not bearing my head under the sand. I know about it. I've heard about it. I read the text messages over a year ago as a matter of fact. And I just don't think that that's what it means. But again, I could be wrong. So anyway, let me know what you think about the calls with mom. Let's say this is, you know, a final stamp, chitching, we're done with the McKenzie Chirilla case with the little asterisk to caveat unless something new comes up or unless you guys are requesting something. So thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you for listening. I will be back on Monday with an all new deep dive into a case for you. And it is a freaking crazy ass case went down the rabbit hole on this one too. So make sure if you're listening to this on the podcast, you are following the podcast so that you don't miss it. If you're watching this on YouTube, subscribe so that you don't miss it or so you don't miss any future McKenzie updates if there are any. And if you also need more content to binge as a reminder, I have a second true crime podcast called 10 to life, one zero to life, kind of like 20 to life, 30 life, you know, but 10 to life. And that's available wherever you get your podcasts, totally free. And we put out new episodes every Tuesday. So make sure you're following both podcasts and you can go back right now and listen to some of those if you need more to binge this weekend. Alright guys, thank you so much and until the next one. Be nice, don't kill people, and do not get into a car with Mackenzie Sharilla ever. (Music)