2911: Machines vs Free Weights | 5 Times Machines Are ACTUALLY BETTER

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Five? Five? I got five times when a machine can definitely be better. Yeah, two quick, real quick, but five. That's what I'm trying to do. Hopefully this goes out to the ether when the AI take over and have it. We're going to build up these machines. We should save him. You talked about how we were better. Yeah. No, so this is a good debate, right? And now typically the position, I don't necessarily like the way that this comparison is. This comparison is set up typically. It's typically like which one's better for building muscle, which one's better. And I get the specifics, but overall, you know, when you compare them head to head and you look at the big picture, free weights tend to win. Mm-hmm. Now we've done this many times on the show, but there are cases where a machine does a better job. And I'll give you the first one. This is the obvious one. And it's when you're trying to really isolate a muscle. Now why would you want to isolate a muscle? There's two main reasons. One is your bodybuilder. You're trying to sculpt your body. There's a specific like area you want to target. And machines make it easier because it takes a lot of the stability and the balance out of it. You're following a track. You're following the machine's movement. So it's really easy for me to, you know, lack a better term because this doesn't really happen. But to disengage other muscles and just feel the target muscle. And this is why bodybuilders typically like machines. There's another reason why you might want to isolate a muscle. And this may be necessarily isolating a muscle, maybe it's isolating a movement pattern. This is for correctional exercise. Yeah. In the case of correctional exercise, sometimes a free weight is just too difficult for the person to find the connection to. And I can throw them on a machine. The stability emphasis and this kind of helps to kind of take that down a bit and give you just like that single focus track. 100%. Yeah. this would be like lateral stability of the hips, and there's lots of things involved with lateral stability. But sometimes it's so bad that I would take a client, and I would try to lateral sled drag or 2 block, and I'm looking at their technique and I'm like, this is just not happening. And I'd sit them down on a machine that oftentimes I would say is useless, like abduction machine. And just because the only way the machine can move is out, they'd sit down press out, we would start there, I'd build a little strength, and I'd move on to the other movements. Rotator cuff will be another example. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, how often do you, like, because that stuff's all getting worked in a shoulder press, but a lot of times you will, you know, you'll prime that before you go into like a pressing movement. For me, that's a staple go to that I isolate. When I was teaching back in the day on how to pack your shoulder while pressing, it's not necessarily necessary for pressing, but this is a good way to separate scapular elevation from, you know, you'll be able to move the humerus up in this kind of overhead press position. There's technically what I'm basically trying to explain is there's two movements. Sometimes it's good to separate the two. And kettlebell practitioners will call it like packing the shoulder. Yeah, that's the term. Machine overhead press makes it easy, because I can like push this down. It's really for stability reasons. Yeah, you have the need to substantiate from a load over your head. Like if you're not engaging and keeping all that stress, like they're more in your back and the last. You're back to take along the force. It's like it's leaving you kind of vulnerable up there. That's right. That's right. So I'm trying to isolate something. Machines take out a lot of the other components because you're following a track. The handle is set. You just move. Those are probably the two most common I would think. Yes. Like I think that like when it came to my mind right away, I was thinking of corrective stuff or bodybuilders. I mean, that's like those are two go to which by the way to those are the most common ones by far. This is also why there's I think such a big argument around this is because the bodybuilding space, especially on Instagram and online, is so popular. Yeah. That I think it's our most pushback. Yeah. So it gets so much argument for hypertrophy and sculpting the body. And a lot of people identify with that. And so I think that why we've always taken a counter position of free weight so much is because there's so much value to free weights. And we do think that it's a period. It doesn't mean that there's not tremendous value in the machines. But I think part of the reason why we've taken the other position for so long so strongly is because I think it's been dominated on the other side. Yeah. I think because we could see value in what they're trying to argue a lot of times because it's like they're trying to bring more people in. And it's like sometimes like you don't need to do the hard thing all the time. Like if you're just trying to express most of the contraction and build up strength. And it's like ease of access and introduction. But in terms of value and what you're actually like, what's going to get you the first in terms of progress and actually getting you towards your goal, like free weights, you know, just trump it. Yeah. So here's another one. And this one's coming to me now just because now I'm starting to train differently. And I was thinking about this and this makes a lot of sense. And that is machines can be very valuable when you're kind of redlining recovery because of a sport or something else that you're doing. So so here's the argument for free weights. And then I'll argue why machines in some cases might be better, right? So in a strength phase, I'm off season. I am training off season. I'm not doing a lot of practice of my sport. I've got a couple months here. I'm trying to build maximal strength. I'm trying to have the strength translate to the field. Free weights are great. They're great. Handling weight that's not stable is more like real life. Yeah. Then handling a very stable weight. A barbell squat is going to give me way more carryover on the field than let's say a hack squat on a sled. But what about when I'm in season? What about when I'm practicing expressing movement in season? So a lot of whatever strength I build or maintain, it's going to translate and it's going to carry over to the field because I'm practicing so much. Plus the practice is beating me up. When you're in season, you're training, you're practicing. A lot of your recovery is there. The strength training is just to support. It's not the main focus. Unless you're a bodybuilder or a power lifter, the strength training is the secondary or even third role. The first, you know, main role is the sport and the practice. Well, machines may be valuable because they just don't beat you up. They just simply don't like barbell row is going to hammer me more at the same intensity and require more recovery at the same intensity as a machine row. It just says. So if I'm pushing my body because I'm training a particular way for a sport, let's say I'm doing a lot of like right now, Jiu Jitsu or I'm playing football or basketball, I'm a cyclist or whatever. But I want to train certain movement patterns. Oh my god, my recovery is like limited. Machines offer you stimulus with less damage. So in that case, I could see a ball. I'll make the argument even not playing a sport. Stay in that recovery vein, right? That you're talking about right now. I should I just use this with Karin yesterday. She's messaging me. Give me your weekly updates and she's like, I got squats today. Do you prefer if I do barbell back squats or I do a hack squat? My response to her was, how do you feel? If you feel fresh and good, get after that barbell squat. But if you, I said, if you feel still a little sore from your last workout, go ahead and do a hack squat. That's not a big thing. It's great. It's not like just huge lesser lift, but I know it's less taxing on the body when you are. And this is how I use machines a lot. A lot of times machines will make their way into my routine even when it's unplanned because yesterday are the day before I overreached or I pushed a little bit heavier on weight. And I'm still, my hips and legs are still talking to me a little bit and it's back to legs again. And I pushed it pretty hard on say Monday, two days ago, or whatever it was. And so today maybe I'm going to do leg press. Maybe I'm going to do an exercise or a machine that I would say is a lesser movement in comparison as far as biggest bang for your buck because I don't always need that. And so, yeah, I'm not playing a sport. And so I think staying along the lines of your recovery point is obviously when you're playing a sport. That makes a lot of sense. But even when you're not playing a sport, and you typically have, and I think a lot of people have this in a week, like some workouts, you just get after a little more than other workouts. And when you head into the work, when you're going back to that muscle group, sometimes you're still taxed a little bit from that bruising. Other times, you're not. Maybe you got an extra day of rest. Maybe you were well fed, well fed, slept. You didn't overeat to last workout, and you feel fresh. Then I'm going to push you, Barbell. - Yeah, and what's to see with, and back to while you're training, like, again, I just started getting into Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. So this is just top of mind for me. It's like the strength that I build in the gym, I really wanted to translate to Jiu-Jitsu. Now does that mean I mimic all the Jiu-Jitsu moves in the gym? No, that's actually a mistake. A lot of athletes make. With their training, they try to copy their sport in the gym. No, what I'm looking for is general strength in the gym. And then what I'm doing is I'm practicing Jiu-Jitsu, and this is what integrates strength into the technique. 'Cause it's very specific, right? You can't really mimic a sport, with what you could do your best to do so, but it's not the same thing. So while I'm doing this, I'm like, you know, I'm already gonna be training anyway. I'm gonna be integrating strength anyway. I'm gonna pick right now, just 'cause right now, my recovery's being challenged. I'm gonna pick the strength training that's less damaging. And it's just the fact you guys, do a standing overhead press to failure, do a seated machine press to failure. Both high intensity, both to failure, for sure the standing overhead press fatigues you more. For sure it requires more recovery before you can adapt. And so machines just provide that. And then what you're saying, Adam, is really just, machines can be a great way to even add extra volume. - Yeah. - When you're trying to add extra volume and you're trying to play that game of, well I do my core lifts as the free weights. I wanna add extra volume. I don't know if I could just add more sets of what I'm currently doing, 'cause that might beat me up a little bit. Let me go use a few machines and see how I feel. Easy way to add extra volume without taxing your body. - Well especially at emphasis on specific muscle groups. Like I love doing that, if you just do the broad lifts and get overhead press, the bench press, the squat, the deadlift, but then, if I wanna put emphasis on certain muscle groups like to add in for volume where I'm not super taxing, but I know that I'm getting them more stimulus. That's a great way to do that. - Well especially in the same workout. This is what I feel like. Great, I'm not gonna go do, especially in the same workout. - Yeah, especially in the same workout. Like I'm not gonna, this is part of the reason why I wouldn't squat and deadlift in the same workout. Is it possible? Of course you can, you totally can. - And if people do. I think of it everything I got in either one of those first. The second one is just kind of-- - Danger level goes up. - Yeah, danger level goes up. I'm definitely gonna be probably overly sore. I'm probably mechanically, I'm not gonna be as sound as I am when I'm fresh going into it. And so it's like, I'm just overreaching. So I may as well add something, if I'm adding more volume to my legs in that, like that'll be more machine based. That is gonna be less taxing. And so in the same, I can see that in both cases, both in the same workout and kind of the scenario I gave where it's two days later and you're still kind of sore. - Exactly. Another point is advanced intensity techniques are just easier and safer with machines. - Oh, these are simple silly examples. - That drops it. - Yeah, you're gonna do a strip set. So a strip set is, you know, I do as many as I can with a certain weight, take some weight off, do some more, take some weight off, do some more, so on. So I'm trying to train strength endurance. Really easy with the machine, you guys. Really easy, I just move the pin. I stay seated or whatever, move the pin, move the pin, move the pin. With three weights, either it requires you to have 15 pairs of dumbbells. - Yeah. - Or you gotta get out and unload the barbell each side and you gotta load it with small plates in order to make the weight increments work or have a bunch of partners. It's just not convenient, it doesn't work very well, but with machines it works really well. Machines work really good with like forced negatives and forced reps if you have a training partner. Partials, why 'cause the machine's there. You know, I'm not gonna drop the barbell in my head. The machine though, if I fail and it's too intense, like cool, I'm still safe. - I actually, I probably take more, 'cause we're big on not training to failure, but if I train to failure, it's gonna be on a machine. - Yeah. - Rarely ever, in fact, I can't even recall the last time I took a, you know, a barbell movement. It's been a long time since I've taken that to a failure set. And not that there's not value in it, 'cause I guarantee there's someone's freaking out right now that's like, oh my god, there is, yeah, there is. But when you're on a machine, I can be so strict with, let's say I'm using like a hammer strength chest press machine. And I could stack a weight on there that I'm not sure I can get five reps in, and I could take it in at four. I mean, I can give that all I got and still remain with like perfect tech handles. - The handles are gonna stay the same. - Yeah, and then let it go and it drops back on the rubber stoppers and I've taken it right to failure mechanically perfect. Or when you got like a barbell that you're trying to stabilize and you're also pushing to a PR limit, very difficult to not allow that shoulder to slightly roll forward or the black archer to do something that's not perfectly sound where with a machine, I can have perfect sound form and then take it right up to that edge and then stop. - Totally. - And I think that's probably where I used failure training. - Even with the workout partner, because someone's like, well, we just use a partner with free weights if you're gonna do that, which is true. That's totally true. But how about like you ever try doing negatives with free weights? It doesn't work. Hey buddy, lift this weight off me and then let me lower it and then help me pick it up your deck. - Yeah. - With a machine, it's really easy for your buddy to help push the handles forward and then you slowly lower. Or really hard intense isometric where someone gets in position and then you just gotta hold it and positions like all the intensity techniques that I can think about, most of them I should say, are easier to do with the machine. - With risk, with much lower risk. - And then lastly, this is an obvious one. When I say it, it'll be obvious. Sometimes certain movement patterns or skills, you can't really train with free weights 'cause free weights fight gravity. So the resistance is going down. But when I use cables and machines, the resistance can go any direction I want. I could go up diagonally, I could go sideways, I could go sideways down. I could do opposing alternating. I could pull one handle while pushing another handle at the same time. I can use a pneumatic equipment, which a lot of gyms don't have this, but pneumatic equipment for explosive force is phenomenal. Try mimicking that with free weights. You can't really do that. - Yeah, it's interesting. It's like a bodybuilder's will call time under tension. There's something to that for sure because you do feel the resistance continuously in certain parts where it would drop off because of gravity. - Yeah. - There's a lot of machines for rear-delt movements for that reason. Such a small movement, such a small muscle. I love dumbbells for it too, but it's-- - Everything's bent over. - Yeah, you're almost limited to that and you have to be in this position. And it's to do dumbbells, to be henged over, with support, isolate that, and you're only opposing gravity really when it's at the top point. And so when you're down, you have very little-- - No resistance resistance. - Resistance. - Yeah, work. I mean, using cables really allows me to target that from different angles and keep the tension on it through the full entire range of motion. And so that's an example of a specific muscle that I use a lot of machines for rear-delts. And I have found it, which this is also what makes me understand and identify with the bodybuilding hypertrophy person who promotes machines so much is because I get it. I get when you're really trying to focus on a muscle and not in corporate, because it's in, even machines, it's impossible to isolate. You can never isolate. You can't isolate. - Yeah, two isolation doesn't exist. - Yeah, it doesn't exist. Our bodies work, all the muscles work synergistically and there's always gonna be that. But getting it to put as much emphasis in its very small area, there's no better way than with the machine and because it allows everything else to be so fixed in that. And so rear-delt is a good example of a muscle group that I almost always use mostly machines. Totally, totally. Do you guys see the new candle? Alley pop is blue. - Yeah, I thought it was a different flavor. - No, it's dream soda, my favorite, my favorite. - Okay. - So I have friends that all they now drink is alley pop. - Yeah. - Well, they're not like health and fitness enthusiasts. They just like the fact that it's low calorie, but you know what, they like it? The taste. They're like, did I prefer the taste? - A lot of parents have talked to you. Like the whole thing. They love that they have an option for that because their kids especially drinking sodas. It's like well over somebody's house and they're like hey you want something to drink they open the fridge. Yeah. And there's like you know beer, you know there's a little like white wine, water, holy pops. I'm like you. Yeah. Like oh yeah. I love it. I'm like are you trying to like cut your calories like no actually I like the taste but also it's really low calorie. When you when I weaned myself off of the diet soda kick is that's typically what I do with holy pops is I allow that in and out of my routine. It's like I catch myself having a lot of diet soda's then I'll switch over to holy pop. It's trip when I get used to the holy pop flavor and the sweetness of it how overpowering like the artificial sweet. Oh yeah. It's like you it's crazy how the body adapts like that like it's it's it's we've talked I've talked about this nauseam about competing and never being a fruit vegetable guy. Then not having for a while then getting introduced to that and then you're like oh my god your palates change. Same thing with sweetness. The other thing too is if you guys drink these regularly pay attention your gut health. It's really good. Oh yeah. Yes it's really good. There are compounds in here that are good. Well there's there's certain fibers that are good. They also put marshmallow root in here which is good for the lining of your gut. Marshmallow root? Yeah so that was a thing. That's not what you think. You know marshmallow is grown tree. Marshmallow is a good plant. No no no but it's a they have good stuff. That's good for your. Where does marshmallow root even come from? Sometimes lining of people's guts get really I don't know for lack of a term damaged and it's it is a supplement you can take that'll help with the the mucosa. There is a marshmallow plant. Yes there is. It's it's not soft and sweet. Yeah it's not what you think dude. I know this guy doesn't even look like a marshmallow. It doesn't really. I mean what's that with the video right there where it says part of the steam marshmallow? No that's a joke. It's a joke. Do you guys remember that when I was a kid? Do you guys remember that commercial? I think burrula did the commercial where it had a tie-ins. They were like taking pasta off trees. You try to see their pasta was natural and they're like pulling it off trees. It was an old commercial from the 80s. Oh I don't remember that. Yeah and it's like let it look you know whatever and as a kid I was like. And I'm like I distinctly know that we make pasta like I've made pasta. So they actually use the plant historically in marshmallows. They don't do it anymore. Oh. Yeah. Oh interesting. 1800s French confectioners started using egg whites and marshmallow plant roots to create a lighter aerated candy. Yeah. Oh wow. So Doug look up gut health marshmallow roots gut health. Interesting that it started off as this thing that was a treat but then also had some healthy properties to it and we've just eliminated the healthy thing completely. Yeah it's all corn syrup now. It's high new solidage content which forms a soothing protective gel over the mucosa membrane. Membranes. There you go. We also have acid reflux, flux gastritis and stomach ulcers because it coats irritated tissues and reduces consciousness. I wonder what point did we eliminate the marshmallow from the marshmallow. Why? No at what point did we? When did it become? When did we find a cheaper alternative? Probably. Yeah. Oh yeah I'm sure I'm sure they've fed the history if that was it. At one point some big company buys out, buys out the whatever brand or whatever that was doing it originally. I'm going to be like oh we could do this for a little bit more. I love chicken. I love chicken marshmallows. They discovered using commercial gelatin and starch extrusion yielded a much more stable mass produced product. Oh well there you go. It's funny. I was just talking about that too because there's this one dessert. You remember like definitive food groups or drinks like you're like oh my god that was the best thing I've ever had. There was this one marshmallow that was covered by like a white chocolate that was like a key lime white chocolate. It sounds bizarre. It sounds delicious. Yeah it had homemade like a graham cracker crust so it was like a s'more. It was basically like this big marshmallow covered in that like key lime chocolate with the graham cracker. It was a cold. It's just a key lime s'more. That was the brand name? It wouldn't know. This was then a chocolate like place like a store. I mean, Corey we get so mad. We go there every time asking for it and they'd only make certain batches and then you know I guess the biggest irritation I have is like when you have a product that is definitively the best thing you have and you're like oh we just do that every now and then. I'm like this is the only thing I come here for. You know like the McRibb. Yeah. Why don't you always make the McRibb dude. Delicious. I mean, is there ever seen the McDonough? Isn't there like a site? Is there probably like a psychological strategy to that though? Great. Vomo like and Fomo. Sure. But they stopped making it. Well you know what I'm saying? So one of my favorite restaurants you guys ever eat at O.K.C. You guys ever? Yeah. 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Oh, Katrina, I've had that forever. Like we've, we've kept it by the bed for, I don't know, decade. And it's always like a fun. And we rarely do it. But once every, you know, one of us will be, we'll be sitting there and be like, well, you don't want to watch TV or something like that. Let's just say, hey, grab the table things. Let's see. And then we'll put it in. And it always always. Yeah, it's always good conversation. It's always fun conversation. Yeah, because it's always something so you would never be talking about it. Yeah. Like it'll say something like, you know, when you were at high school, what was your biggest fear of this and then she'll start telling us, oh my god, you were, that was a, you went through that. I had no idea. Like so it always brings up cool stories like that. And saying to the kids one, the like, you know, you, you think, oh, I could think of all the things that asked my kid, but then they're, it's so random. 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She's a 15 year old daughter. One of my friends. I'm like, you. A little, he's got his rights. He's got his rights. He's got, you know, so many ways. What do they say about the apple? So, so just gonna, I'm looking at my wife and honey. I apologize. I had to. He's like, he's like me. We're gonna. We're gonna pray a lot. We're gonna pray a lot for this kid. If he's like his dad, it's a list. Yeah. You got to get it. You got to, you got to get the game for your boys. I think it'll be really cool to do that. You're, you just dropped yours off the camp, right? I did. Yeah. I went down to San Luisbo and they actually like hopped on with my friends church. Oh, you took them down south so they could then take a bus back up the. Yes. And which is hilarious because that is funny. We first went to Bas Lake because my, my youngest, his best friend was already invited him to go camping. And so we were like, I don't know. That's kind of like the timing isn't, isn't right. But like if I guess we go pick you up and then we can bring you down, like we can make this work. And we decided to make it work. And so we drive up to Bas Lake. He was camping there and then we took him down. But it was funny. And I told you guys this story before, but while I was there, like I was, there was no place to park and I was just going to, it was just going to be a simple drop off. Like they had driven the boat up and, and you know, everybody got off and then we were going to like eat at this restaurant that was right there next to Lake. And so I'm up there waiting for my food and I'm looking out and I had parks kind of per curiously. Like my, the back end of my car was in the road and there's a lot of like cars with, with boats going through and so it was like kind of sticking out. But I'm like, dude, we're not going to be here that long. We're just going to kind of do our thing and then, you know, I'll get in the car and we'll take off. Yeah. And in court, and he was like, oh, no, there's, you know, there's cops. They're out there. They're looking at your car and I look at my, oh no. And he had already taken out the marker and was like, mark him a tire and like started to kind of like get the paperwork out. And I'm like, oh, it's like haul downstairs and I'm running out there and I'm like, oh, hey, like, you know, I'm just here for a second. I'll move my car. Bob, why? And he looks at me and he's like, you look really familiar. I was like, he listened to the podcast and he's like, you're my possessor and like, it was, it was bizarre. Dude, we took a selfie. We stuck. Okay. Like, hey, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. - No ticket, I mean thank you. Like, it was, yeah, my like, little get out of jail free card. But yeah, I was, I was like, man, they were gonna tell my car for real. Like he's like, dude, yeah. This happens a lot and we just, we just take them, take the. - You see the picture? That's what we do. - Yeah, three bus dashes. - You can't, you can't, don't go to the stop. You can't not push. - Can you blur out, can you blur out his eyes? I'm. - So, don't get your guys in trouble. - I'd be like, literally, just like three justines. You can say. - Yeah, yeah. It's a muckstash. - You had like three generations. Yeah, it's the older guy. - I told you when I got pulled over. - When I got pulled over, 'cause I was on FaceTime when my kid, 'cause he was crying or whatever, and I got pulled over and the cop comes out of the car and I can see him every mirror that he works out. He's like walking out, he's kind of jacked him, like, oh cool. - Yeah, this guy is good. Good hand-changed, he's a fan. He's like, okay, you can take off now. - My guy did that to me, he was like so undercover about it. Like you could tell, I think he had like a camera. And so he didn't, it was like code, you know what I'm saying? - He just, he just literally, I was like, yeah, yeah, so I was like, oh cool. 'Cause I was getting nailed for a lot of stuff. I was like, oh God, this is not gonna be a good one right here. So I wonder if that's what it is, like if they are recording why it's going on. - Yeah, they can't just give you. - Yeah, yeah, you can't get-- - Preferential treatment. - Yeah, so he didn't make a big deal about it, huh? - That's okay. (laughing) - Yeah, so that was cool. I mean, then we went down, dude, I've had the most bizarre pain. I can't even pinpoint anything in my shoulders. Like, both. - And it switched from one, it was like all nerve pain and went to the other. Now I'm like, it's really sworn achy. And I was just like, man, sleeping in these hotel room, I didn't get any sleep. And I was like, there was a hot tub out there. And that was the only thing that like kind of brought it down. It's not all this time to kill the next day after we dropped the kids off. And we were like driving back home. It was like, let's just stop for a minute. And there was the syscues, I think is what it's called. There was like this, like, you know, hot springs place. And I'm like, that sounds like it. The hot tub works. So maybe this will help. And Courtney had like, you know, looked it up and took me to a different place. It was like before that. And it was like, dude, it was like literally like a trailer park stop or something, like, but with hot springs. And so we get it. And there's like 15 bucks. I'm like, oh, cool. It's cheaper. Yeah. I'm like, get in there. I see why. And I'm in there. It's just like the craziest characters you've ever seen. And I'm like, just I'm the only one like, you know, trying to like get therapy out of this. Courtney wouldn't even go in with them. She wouldn't even go in. She's like, yeah, wait for you in the car. [LAUGHS] Just like, I'm in a lot of pain, dude. Yeah, this guy's making like, he has a huge igloo. And he's like making everybody like these, like, tuna sandwiches. Yeah, you want two of them. I'm good. Yeah, but thanks, though. You don't appreciate it. You never know. To the challenge. Yeah, from the stranger. In a salt pack. Yeah. And you know it's funny. I've been seeing these memes. You know what I mean? You just remind me. I've been seeing these memes because you guys know about the parasite thing, right? They're calling it a better real lettuce. Did you see the video that the teammate have Justin and I? No. Oh, I did. I did. And you hear the whole thing was the whole person. That worked out too perfect. It did. I was these memes. So you guys know that meme where it looks like the bunch of aristocrats are kind of looking down and they'll use it like this is me looking down at people. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, you know, me eating a gas station burrito looking down at everybody who eats salads. Yeah, that's what you get. I'm fine, you know, that's spreading. It's crazy. Yeah, that's pretty. Yeah, for multiple people. You know what I feel bad for? I feel bad for Taco Bell. Do you guys hear what happened with them? Yeah, they kind of pinpointed it to that. No, it was no, see, that's the same. They're blaming him. Yeah. Taco Bell preemptively. Nobody got sick from Taco Bell. Taco Bell is innocent. They preemptively. They get diarrhea from Taco Bell. Anyway, everything else. Come on. That's, yeah. So you can't really just, yeah. And my point is Taco Bell preemptively remove certain things to say, hey, you know, we know what's going on. So we're just going to do this preemptively. Of course, what do you think the media does? Taco Bell, you know, connects them to diarrhea, let us just Taco Bells know for support Taco Bells getting hammered. Oh, wow. Even if the right thing, nobody, nobody got sick from Taco Bell. You got sick from like berries from the grocery store and that and that other brand that I remember, the way I found out about it was I posted that protein salad that they have that was it from that company. It was the company. I forget the name of the company right now, but someone's like, you know, did you not read? They sent me the whole article on it. It was like, it was that company. Do you know where it comes from? So it spreads through human poop. Yeah. So they think that there's like workers pooping in the field. And that's how it's I feel like this has happened before. Come on. Yeah. I'm not in it. There's a spinach town like this. I mean, that means like a lot of workers would be shit on lettuce, bro. It's not like one guy decides to take a shit and let us. And then like it spreads the whole. It's really a lot. Yeah. And they don't wash my hands and they're processing it. But the thing is just wash your your produce. Yeah. But if you wash it, it doesn't clean it necessarily. Those are like really persistent little eggs. Yeah. I heard people that have to be pooped on lettuce for that to happen. I think a lot, dude. I think there's a lot of people that do that. I do. So I pooped on lettuce going on. There's a lot. It's like an underground thing. It's happening. It's like a piece of pizzeria. Get these wettoes. Yeah. It's like a shit all over the lot. I mean, can't be any worse than San Francisco streets. Yeah. San Francisco is clean or at least. Yeah. That's it. I'm not pooping my salad. Dude, I just read it. It's so funny. It's just coming up. So you guys know how like endurance athletes, especially like extreme endurance, like ultra marathon, Iron Man's, you know how it's like relatively common that they'll poop themselves while racing. You guys know that, right? You've heard that, right? You didn't know that? Okay. It's relatively common. You're a real Lucy. You see the run in and they're pushing. They're like, it's a 50 mile race. I'm going for it. I got to take a dump. I'm about to win. I'm still shit myself. And this is relatively common. I looked it up. Do you know what percentage of elite endurance athletes have pooped themselves during a race? It's going to be like 80. No, five to 20%. Okay. That's still a big percentage. You know what I'm saying? But if that didn't be an eraser, like everyone's shitty. 80%. That's the same idea. I don't go to races. He's all this it. I do more than six reps on a press. I felt that. I felt that. I think it was like 80% of the race. It was a big aspect. It was. It was. It was. It was. You know, it's a big aspect of it. It's a big aspect. I thought you were like, yeah, never mind. So many breaks. But five to 25. No, five to 20. Five to 20. That is a lot. I mean, if you have a thousand runners, that's like 50. Yeah, craft themselves while running. Yeah. That's unbelievable. That's I would. It's not worth it. Yeah, that's serious. That's what they take care of that for you. Although, although that being said, do you guys see the guy break the world record? Yes, on the mile. Did you see how fast he ran? Three minutes 45 seconds. What? Bro, he was running over 16. What's the first time he was running faster than than than the average athlete can sprint. The average person can sprint. What? Six over 60 miles an hour the whole time. Not 60. 16. Oh, I think so. Oh, come on, bro. I was like, he stopped running 60 miles an hour. No, 60. No, no. No, fast. That is. Yeah. 16 is really fast. Yeah. Bro, three minutes and what 45? 345. That is. What's wild about that? What a big deal. The, you know, the whole form, the four minute mile thing, right? Yeah. It's a white dude, by the way. Yeah. It was not a Kenyan. Yeah, I mean, he was tall. I would have assumed whatever it is. Yeah. Every when the kid gave it to a poor guy. I mean, I would have assumed whatever it is. He was broken by a British guy. He was, right? Registered banister. Yeah. Registered banister. Yeah, Roger. Oh, I didn't know that. That was a British. Interesting. Yeah, the first four minutes. I mean, it was such a big deal. They thought that four minutes was impossible. Four minutes, half minutes. You know you had scientists come out at that time? Yeah. It was impossible. They say it was humanly impossible. Yeah. Was that still when they had the dirt track or the, yeah. Uh-huh. And now it's, you know, the, what consistency is the track? Is it that, like, kind of, you know, like, rubber and 1954 he did it. Uh-uh. That he's a British medical student. God, why is it so sometimes people just make me embarrassed. Yeah. Oh, you ran the fastest mile ever. Cool. Oh, and you're also a medical school student. Okay. What else do you do? Yeah. That's pretty amazing. But after that, like, hell of people broke up. Yeah, like, yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, yeah. High school kids that do it now, right? So it's so wild to think that. Has a woman ever broke the four minute mile, Doug? Ooh. I want to look that up. Because that would be interesting to see. Is that bringing me to another topic on grip strength that I've. No woman has ever officially run. Well, that's going to change soon, right? Because you got a goal. Yeah. Yeah. You had to go there. Yeah. Yeah. So they did a study on. I see. It's all right. We're going to go there. So there's a key to the study on grip strength. Great. And did you know that the average, um, the average 20-something year old female has a strength of a seven year old man? Yeah. Just to show the difference. Yeah. Yeah. Just to show the difference in actual. Yeah. Current time or that old time. Okay. It's now. Yeah. Just to show the difference in strength. When they say, you know, there's a big difference in strength. It's a pretty damn big difference. Yeah. And in reality. But, you know, that's a huge. And if we stay in reality, yeah. Yeah. If you, is it you who has the thumbs down on the BMW like. Yeah. Oh, that's you. I had another story with us. So we were downtown, uh, Sanles of Bisbo. And it was funny because, um, there was a guy that had souped up. I don't know what model BMW, but it was like to the point where you watch all those videos that, like they'll just scream the engine so loud. Yeah. Um, and so he had done something with supercharged or whatever and made it to where it was like so incredibly loud. Yeah. Yeah. And so he's like, you know, trying to get ego boosts and do his whole thing and like cruise down to the end. and town, he went a couple laughs and grugled and crackling like crazy. Crackling but like, but it was like, woo to the point where like some of you jumped because he just did it like right next to him. Yeah, it's so he's like coming back through again in like me and Courtney are crossing the street and she just looks over him, stops mid-track and she goes like this. She's like, Courtney Courtney did that. I was just like, oh my god, dude, I just started laughing because I'm like, yeah, can I just say something? This is so true. I think like wives do this, girlfriends do this. They do that in public. There's no threat to them. I, yeah. I went through this. Did you have to cover things? Yes, yes, yes. My wife did something like that over the weekend. Yes, dude. Same thing. And she's getting so mad what she listens to us. But it's true. But but but her credit does. It was funny because so he was in the car with another girl and like it really affected him. You could tell because he started driving and he didn't do it again. And so she just crushed his ego. I was dying laughing. I was like, this guy was not like I mean that was like an old lady moment for her like my old man moment where I yelled at the lady with the dog. But you know what the hell is it? It's like impulse. As guys, when you call someone out, you've already calculated in your head. Oh yeah. There may be a confrontation. Yeah, you're ready for it to throw down if you're going to do something like that. That doesn't happen. I don't think to a lot of women. I don't think that happens. The calculation of I say something. Not when she's holding your hand. Correct. That happens this week and do this. We were going and some dude on a skateboard with his dog and he was like pulling up his dog with a leash. Yeah. My wife opens the door. She looks like fight this dude. Like let go of it. And I'm like and you know she's like really traumatized by the how he dare he do that. I try to tell her like honey when you do that. Yeah. You're inviting you're inviting you're inviting you. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you ain't going to get the fight. It's going to be me. You know you know your battles. There's a whole side. You get so bad when she hears this. She was going to do. I'll fight her. I'll fight you. Come on. Move aside. All right. You imagine that? Taking high. You're all right. Cool. It's what I want. Everybody stand back. Go ahead, baby. Yeah. What do you win the whole hop? You know those those those are it's so lame. Those are those are tuned to do that. So so they pay somebody and it's like your car's not like any faster. It's like it's all exhaust and it's all tuning to make it sound like that. That's what I thought. I was like this is all sound. Yeah. It's not cool. It's like it's cool if your stuff is really really fast and it sounds really fast. But it's like to to tune it. Yeah. You call it verbal tunes. Burble. Yeah. Burble tune. It's a little bit faster for like you to burble tune and BMWs are like famous for it. Like guys that drive BMW. Does it affect the performance? I mean, it gives them a couple horsepower. Oh, it does. Oh, yeah. It gives them a little. So it makes the sound and it's a little bit better. Yeah. That's a win win. Yeah. A little bit. A little bit. Yeah. Remember the exhaust. I used it. I guess the exhaust that we're popping when we were kids were ridiculous. I had the I had the I had the the dunk exhaust. That's what it's called. Look it up. Look it up. And your car. I was a flow master. What was your car pushing horsepower? I'd be probably 290. Oh, that's not bad. Well, I had a black cams cam gears. Hold on to it. Two knees. Two knees. Four balls. I was probably over 300 actually. Bro, that's fast. Yeah, that was there. Yeah, but you hear me. You hear everything I did to it. I did every single thing you could do to it other than a turbo on it. You didn't turbo it. And you still got 290 at it. That's crazy. Probably more. Wow. Yeah, probably. Because I think stocked those integras those integras had probably 250. No. Not a tight name or a tight bar. Look up. L.S. Integra. Accura L.S. Integra. I guarantee you exhaust. It's either 150. No way. Oh, you think it's less. Way less. Really? Bro, 280. 180 and 250. It was just over 200. I'm going to guess. I'm going to say it was 212. If I'm not mistaken, that'd be crazy if it's that low. Oh, it's it was bro. You don't remember back then. Accura Integra. You tried to horse 98. Integra. No, no, no. Horsepower. I'm not saying 98. Integra. This will be fun because I actually don't remember this. Why do you have exhaust up there? I don't know. He said exhaust. That was before Doug. That was before. Tegra horse power. There we go. There we go. Let him do less of Tegra horse power. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let's see. Oh my god. One told you. Wow. So the top of the title was like 197. Yeah. Yeah. But I. So back then it was better to get an L.S. Because type R had everything done. You got it to 290. There's no way without turbos. Do you hear me? How do I? Cam's. Cam gears. Underdry pulleys. Ignition system. Port and Paul. I mean, I had more. You get 100 plus horse power. Maybe you're right. Maybe it was up to 250. Maybe that's what I got it up to. I bet. Yeah. You'd be surprised. Cars were so slow back then. Bro, I cannot believe it was only 140 horsepower. I tell you what. When I used to shift. Yeah. My stereo would come out of the dash. Yeah. You were probably like so much power. Yeah. The coolest thing ever has to do is it is. It's like my. Bro, my four. You're still stereo in up in their lap. Hold my stereo. We're going to go. I started like lug nuts flew off my truck. Dude, I know this because so I had a VR6. I had a golf VR6, which was in that category of lab. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the the clips. Turbattle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The VR6. You had the Integra type R. Yeah. And they were all around 2 and a horse power. Yeah. And that was considered fast. Camaro Super Sport, which was like, oh my god. That was like 300 something. Yeah, yeah. That's how much. That was considered. Yeah. Back then. Three horse power now. You buy it. You buy a minivan. It's got like almost three. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I didn't even realize it was that low. So you're probably right. It's probably like I probably got it up to 250. Yeah. But yeah, that's not unwrote. Now with everything. You think it's going to guarantee someone's going to write in and fix it correct all this. No. You had like. I mean, I listen. I wouldn't because they wouldn't have that guy in your shirt. I didn't have the money as a kid to go get a dinosaur. Mine's all estimated horse power. And so. And when you bought you bought cams. They tell you you get an extra 15 to 20 horsepower. You bought cam gears and another 10 horsepower. You bought exhaust and another 10 to 15 horsepower. So everything I did was 10. But it was estimated. So yeah, I'm sure somebody racing. On the streets were you racing all the time? Yeah, yeah. I know we did all that stuff there. Back where I grew up, there was a used to meet at in and out at midnight. And the old country roads. Oh, perfect. Oh, and they're out there and drag them and stuff. I mean, it was quite so. And so I have a little road. Yeah, I'll go ahead and do a slimy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's a crazy one. Just a great, great straightaway out in the country where nobody would be at at midnight. Can't hear. No, you know, you know, I used to happen for a long time. In fact, it probably still goes on. Probably. What's crazy now is because cars are so fast now. They're so because you know, you can. So rated. Well, you consider back then. We're coming. We're going back that way. Bro, a five seconds, zero to 60 back then was fast. So you're. All my, all my buddies, that's like a, all my buddies that actually race cars that are like like true race car drivers are like the perfect is 500 horsepower. Like that's true, usable, have a blast in its fast and it's fun. Beyond that, it's beyond that. You can't, you're not using it. If you unless you got a perfect straightaway moment, which is freeway, i5 for a split set. Then you roll the dice because if a cop pulls you over, you're doing 131.40. You hope he doesn't hit you with a mask of. And it'll go faster now. But I mean, they hit you at that speed and you're. And you're in that, with a car that's 800 horsepower. Oh, yeah. You're to 130 in seconds. Yeah. In seconds. You ever, you ever find it interesting that we have all these, every state has speed limit laws. Every state, right? There's not a single state in the country where they're like, no, no speed limits. We don't have an auto bond anywhere in the country. And yet car manufacturers build cars that. Or an auto bond. They far exceed the speed limits. Like the highest speed limit in the US is probably 75 or 80. I'd imagine there's a freeway highway somewhere that's 75. The scene one that was 80. I know. Well, Idaho, there was like Arizona has Arizona has some spots. I think 75 might be the highest speed limit in the US or let's see. 85. Oh, 85. Okay. So, 75 is the highest anywhere and I guarantee most states don't have that. Most states. No. Yeah, definitely. And yet cars, they could easily surpass that. They've got hundreds of horsemen. Yeah. I keep getting faster. You ever wonder why, like if this was such a thing, why are we making cars like that? Why don't they go back and how much do speeding tickets fund Bingo? Yeah, how much do speed tickets fund the entire thing? I know. So it's all part of it, I imagine. I wonder how much revenue they bring. Yeah. What percentage of revenue do the police departments make off of speeding tickets? Yeah. That'd be the Google. Yeah. And then I'm sure it's quite a bit. So of course, I mean, do you think they have me? I wouldn't want them to do what you're alluding to. I wouldn't want them to do. I would rather have the ability to break the law, but encourage you not to break the law, then to say we're going to control you and control your car and one to three percent of the total city. That's not much at all. No, it goes into municipal or state general funds. But that's not entirely true. So what we got to see is a tiny, if you tiny municipalities or speed trap towns, rely on fines, for up to 50 to 89% of their general revenue. Well, that's a small town, though. Okay. 50 to 80 something percent. I mean, smaller, I mean, larger places is what is it? 10, 15, 20%. I don't know. That's crazy. Maybe one of our cop friends can educate you guys. So do you guys think they have meetings like that where like, he guys the quarter is almost over? Well, I want to make one of our conference going to reach out and tell us that because I've always heard that when it comes to the end of the month and they're not hitting their quarterlies at the end of the month, that that's the highest likely time you'll get pulled over. It's like the last few days of a month. I see a lot of speed traps. Yeah. Either. But I don't know if that's true. You know, I don't know how much that is. Yeah, 'cause they could very easily, we could easily legislate that people can't speak. That's an easy thing to legislate, but they don't want to, and I don't think people want to be there. Yeah, that would be horrible. Yeah, that would be nice. It's a lane. That would be a lane. I mean, imagine, I mean, you know what the downstream effects of that could be though. Like, so then you also, you regulate all these, I mean, you would crush a market completely. There's a huge market in that. That would be a good performance. And it's probably like, why own a Ferrari or Lamborghini, if it only goes 60 miles an hour? Yeah. Like, that would be super lame. Like, that would be, I mean, so you're taking like a high, and a lot of those, even, forget for it, I mean, even a Mercedes S63, like a luxury $200,000 car that goes really fast. That's part of it makes that, like, that's an expensive car that you would, you would have heard a lot of big companies that make a lot of revenue and pay a lot of taxes towards it. So it have an interesting gout shows. It's a lot of stuff that we've got. Yeah. I have a, I'm going to report back to you guys on some of my friends using Crateen for sleep deprivation. Oh, it's, they're just blown away. They're just absolutely blown away by it. But one is a nurse, one is a near doctor, and in their words, this is their words, life changing. Yeah. That the Crateen was life changing for their jobs. These are not like fitness enthusiasts. They both train to work out, but it was like, you know, one of the nurse, she's like, man, I'm taking 15 grams a day. And she's like, I can't believe how different it's really groggy. And this and, yeah, all that. Just just the way she feels mentally, everything. So if I'm somebody who tracks with my or ring, and would I consider bad night a sleep would be like 60 score, 60s. Yep. Is it, it would have been more beneficial if I would have had the 15 grams the day before or the day of, you could use it the night before or the day before if you know you're going to get bad sleep, it could also be after. So in the studies, they sleep to private people, and they give half of them 20 grams of Crateen, the other half know. They're 20, I'm careful when I say this, because people can misconstrued this as it means it completely erases any negative effects of the bad sleep. But the way that they test their performance, you could tell when you test someone's performance in certain ways, you could tell when they're sleep deprived. There's a classic test. Erases the deficit. So 20 grams of Crateen, they are measuring them, I can't even tell you sleep deprived from the Crateen. So if you measure at 60, then yeah, get your, you would you do the Legion capsules? Yeah, yeah. Then I would go, and depends if you can handle 15 or 20 grams all at once, if it bothers your gut, I'd go five. I'd wait every hour, I'd go five, five, five, I'd have to do that. Okay. And then you're good. Yeah, obviously having it, but there's like what happens is, I don't plan to have a bad night sleep, right? And so I'm not always taking 15 grams. So I'm normally taking more like five. Everyone's all do 10, just do like, 'cause they're gummies and they're easy and they're in, my rumor would have right that, but what I haven't done consistently is taking-- They also have capsule, do they have pure Crateen? Yeah, I do think gummies. You said, "Camp, I met gummies." Just, come on. Sure, that's what I can't do. I forgot. Yeah. But it erases, it erases the deficit, which is crazy. That is while, which is crazy. What does it mean to people that have jobs that you're talking about? If you're an ER person and you're going to have to be sleep deprived? You should. I want to test that for a jet lag to go into a different place of different times. Oh, yeah. They're interesting to experiment with that. But like I said, we were at the pool, which by the way, why I'm so dark, we go into the pool a lot regularly. And they showed up and like I said, she's a nurse. And she's like, "Soul the Crateen." She's like, it's life changing. So I can't believe the difference. I'm like, I'm taking it regularly. I'm like, it's crazy, right? So they tripping out. Yeah. As well. Yeah, you talk about you and I getting so dark. I wonder if like on camera, Justin looks clear. I'm all wearing white shirts to emphasize like, hey, look at Casper over there. Dude, I'm picking the sun a lot this summer, too. Like it's just, I know, poor Justin. This is as good as he gets. I've been working on my tents so bad. These guys over here, they're like a European guy. No, this is literally three or four days in the pool. And I just, you guys are really eating it up over there. Yeah, so we got my wife got a membership at this gym with an outdoor pool. And so she's taking the kids there so they can learn how to swim. And so I've been going with them. Nice. You know, when I have time. The only downside is they serve drinks. Dude, I have never drank so much alcohol. So consistently in my life. When you buy a pool, I know it's kind of like par for the course. Yeah, dude. What am I going to do, lay by the pool? I feel like it's a dude you could have to. Yeah. Like laying out as a chicken is like totally normal. It's normal for girls call each other up and go like my wife is like, I have a football. But your buddy has never called you and been like, hey, we'll go lay out today. So as a dude, you get my back. Yeah. So as a dude, you're laying out of the pool with your wife. You feel like I need to do something. I need to hold something. I need to hold a drink because I feel like I'm doing something. Yeah, that's too consistent, man. I can't be having a drink every day. It's crazy that this is becoming a thing for like gyms. Like it's my buddy in Orange County was telling me about like lifetime fitness and stuff. He's like, it's like a whole vibe. Like to go hang poolside at the gym. People hang out there extra long after work out. I got an article for you guys on that. It's like a thing. No, so these are social hour. These are real stats on gyms. Let me pull it up right here. Which is really interesting. Check this out. So this is it's a K market with gyms right now. Okay. So it's splitting. There's a split that's going on. First of all, the demand for gym memberships is the highest that's ever been. Okay. So demand for it. So this is like we are entering into a heyday for gyms. This is like the most the best time for gyms we've ever seen. Yeah. Okay. So 26% of everyone six and up had a gym membership in 2025. Seven billion facility visits. Here's what's cool. The share of members who never once showed up fell to an all time low of 4.6%. So that's the lowest that we've since we were. Which is crazy. It's a K-sheptic economy, meaning you have two ends. You have the value at the bottom because they could scale. I'm kind of fitness. And then you have the premiere at the top where they charge a lot. Both of them are crushing. The middle is where the middle is where you're having a tough time because they can't scale like the value and they don't offer all the crazy stuff like so. So what they're doing and this is master off and his brilliance because you guys know he bought what we had him on the show. Yeah. He's knocking to 20 years. So curious how he's going to survive this middle ground. He's going to offer more services, but it's going to be kind of like all a cart. It's probably what's going to happen. So you're still going to have your value. But if you want extra stuff recovery this down the other, there are tiers that you can enroll in. And so that's going to kind of reshape. And the guy's brilliant. He has, he never misses. I think that'll kind of re structure what the middle kind of looks like. I mean, you had to look it up. I saw an article on this on a lifetime. And they have like a 3000. And once you say $3,000 a month membership. Do they? Yes, something great. Yeah. But it's like a, you know, it's similar to like what? What's his name? What's the biohack guy and. And we're talking about it in the other doctor. What proof coffee? Yeah, they have like the hundred. No, no, no, not him. Brian Johnson. Brian Johnson. Yeah, yeah. You know, he's like a million dollars a year. And then then who's a Peter Tia didn't want it. I think he's like a hundred thousand a year. So it's like that. It's like blood work. Everything. What's it? What is it? Oh, it's per year, 3600 per year. I thought it was per month. Okay. It's not as crazy as I thought it was. There also be coming. Still, I mean, 329 a month, you know? No, no, no. We're entering into a really interesting time for fitness because gyms are becoming. Oh, that's just there. That's just there. Oh, that's just their membership to all clubs. They have another tier that is like like their longevity something. Like I don't know. Was it kind of like all the cards? Yeah, yeah, something like that. I don't know what it was called. I'll do more digging. Yeah. But to your point that this is worth going, it's going to this kind of K shape where it's like you're either going to go to the nine dollars a month, I believe, or get this like, you know, optimization. Yeah, there you go. There's an annual one, 40,000. It's like a equinox. Oh, equinox is doing that. Yeah, some of these are doing some of these crazy. It's those equinox in New York or insane. Yeah, with each other. Yeah, they're blood panels and going that that whole round. I mean, that's what Kyle wants to. I think it's just such a cool time for people to work in fitness. This is a really cool time. Yeah, yeah. It's like a fitness boom is what's happening. I actually think some of it's a big need. Yeah. And I think GLP one uses or GLP use is going to drive even more of it as more people are trying to strengthen. Uh, and it's become the social place. Less people are going to bars. Less people are socializing the old ways and more people are certain socialize. All the young generations below us. Yeah, I guess it's dropped off like billions of dollars. The alcohol businesses lost. It's cool. Yeah, interesting. Very, very cool. Good time to be in it. Three days left for the 40% off sale on the new maps program. Maps upper lower. It's a four day muscle building split. There's a man and women's version. It's 40% off. Right now go to maps upper lower calm use the code launch for the discount back to the show. Our first caller is Nick from California. What's up Nick? Go on Nick. So, buddy. Hello. How you guys doing? Good. How can we help you? This is this is really surreal. I didn't think I'd ever be here. My question pertains around to what I should do every day with my workouts and my nutrition because my schedule is so inconsistent. I'm a contractor and most of the time I commute to the Bay area for work. So I usually wake up around three. through 30 in the morning. Sometimes I'm home at 10 o'clock, sometimes I'm home at noon, sometimes I don't get home until six o'clock at night. I'm very involved with my family and a lot of local stuff in my city. So most nights we're out at a fundraiser, a dinner, something like that. So I don't really know what I should do, how I should eat every day and how I should work out every day. I try to do like a max 15 workout every day, but on the days I get home early, it just feels like it's not enough. So I don't really know what to do. - Give me more detail. On average, how many days a week would you say are the long days and how many days a week would you say are the ones we get home at a decent time? - There's really, I don't know, for an average, I can't, I know we have busy times of the year and not so busy times of the year. Some days it's two weeks straight of easy days. Sometimes it's a month straight of long days. It's just really, really inconsistent. - Okay, well, actually some consistency that we change during those times. - Yeah, and here's the thing, dude. If it's like that, if you go through seasons like that, then the thing that'll change is the intensity of the workouts. So I think max 15 is perfect for you, bro. And on the days you get home, you just go harder. And on the days you get home late, you do it easy or you skip, and you just keep doing that. You just keep doing that. Nutrition wise is really important. That's where you're seeing it. - I heard from you too that the mistake that a lot of guys will make is that, let's say you're on the 15 routine like we're telling you, and it just so happens to be a day you get home and you have lots of time, you feel like it's not enough. It's enough. You don't need to go do more. Just because this is a day that you got some good rest and you're home early, you still follow the routine. You still do it because it's doing a bunch more just 'cause you had that one good day of more time isn't gonna get you more results. - Actually, Evan flowing, listening to your body and you being consistent with just hitting the gym with appropriate intensity is what's gonna get you more. - Yeah, when you look at stress on the body, obviously the day makes sense, but it's also the week and the month and then what's cumulative. And so what you're kind of telling me is that you've got these seasons and there's seasons where you're just working your butt off, seasons where it's not so hard, but the point is that they're seasons that they're in and out. So it's not like for a full year, it's easy. And then next year, it's kind of like that all year round. And there's times when it's harder. So the thing that changes, Nick, is the intensity. So you still do math 15, but you get home early and you feel good, you get after it. You get home late and you're kind of out of it. You can go easy or skip. And then you just stay on that. Now nutrition is where you wanna be consistent, consistent, consistent. That'll make the big difference. And so meal prepping really helps a lot when you're on the road, hitting your protein targets and sticking a whole natural foods. If you do those two things over time, you'll progress over time. - Let me help you define what easy and get after it means to. What's a normal squat or bench press number for me? What do you do? What do you squat when you squat? - Wow. Right now I wanna say my bench press would probably be 215 for a one or a max. My squat would probably be 325 for max. Maybe I don't know for sure. It's been a really long couple months. So I don't know exactly what it would be. - That's okay, it gives me, I just needed some sort of rough number. So it was relative to where it would be like. So easy day I'm coming in, I'm bench pressing. I'm working out with 135. I'm not gonna put any more weight on the bar like that. I'm gonna move it through the map 15, the way it's calling for it. Hard day, I'm gonna push up towards what I'm capable of. You know, that's 65, what's 75 for work out? I'm gonna work out with a higher number that's closer to like that's a lot of weight for me. That's what a hard day, it doesn't mean more stuff. Like that's, it means like I'm gonna do a bunch more of a workout or work out longer. Cause sometimes people interpret, get after it is like do a bunch more stuff. You know, get after it means like, oh, this is the day I'm gonna push the weight a little bit. Like I'm feeling good, I'm rested, I had a good day today, I'm fed, like you know what, I'm gonna put some weight on the bar and let's see what I can move today. But you still follow the protocol of what's in the program. You don't add a bunch of shit to it. - Yeah, and other days it's like man, I'm tired, it's long. I'm gonna go in and just go through the motion. - Yeah, I'm just gonna go through the motion. - Yeah. - And that's the difference, that right. And that's a big difference. People think that's nothing. That's a big difference. But then you stack that on top of each other consistently over time and you'll progress. You'll progress over time. - But you guys just practicing those movements on those days you wanna go a bit lighter. - That's right. We have a, I think so many people, including ourselves, forever, we're felt like this. Like you feel like you have to get like so sore from the workout for it to be productive. It's not at all. You going in and moving weights like that, even really light and easy. And just cause you, or maybe you're not sore the next day. Does not mean that was not a very effective workout. - So you're a great signal to your body. - Yes, that's right. - You get better at it, you get stronger at it. - So just, and that's what that looks like. Like if we were coaching you one on one, it would be a lot of conversations around, hey man, how do you feel this week? How'd you sleep? Where you good on your nutrition? How you feeling today? Oh cool. You know what, today I want you to try and hit that 225 on the bench. Other days, when you're like, oh man, I didn't get the best of sleep and shit did out of my mis my protein and take yesterday. Hey, today when you go in there, I want you just real lightweight, just do the movements, but I don't want you pushing the weight at all. Just get in and get out. Like that's what it sounds like. And you're just consistent. And then you start to learn how to read that in yourself. Like okay, this is one of those times right now where I need to just kind of go in, I'm gonna lift. But it's more almost recoupative. And then other times when you're feeling really good and you're hitting the macros and you're doing good on your diet, like okay, let's see what I can, see what kind of weight I can move. And when you do it like that, the days when you get after it, you're gonna feel really strong and good. And then and the days when you're not so good, it's okay, you go through the movements and you'll progress over time like that. Yes. Okay, okay, that actually makes a lot of sense. Okay. Yeah, dude. What should my nutrition look like? What should my calories look like? Should those be consistent to you? 'Cause some days I'm getting 2,000 steps at work and I'm hardly doing anything sometimes. I'm getting 12,000 steps and I'm sweating my ass off and I seem to be a little bit hungerier the day after those hard days that work. So Nick, here's the thing, oftentimes in fitness culture, we're told to ignore our hunger signals 'cause if we listen to them, we're just gonna be overweight. Now there are cases where I tell people to ignore their hunger signals. These are extreme cases, people with eating disorders and stuff like that. But typical person, if you're eating whole natural foods and you eat protein first, eat when you're hungry. Yeah. And your calories are gonna fluctuate. Yep. And you're not gonna count your calories. So if you're like, man, I'm still hungry. Oh, okay. Yeah. You're like, oh, I'm still hungry. Eat more whole natural foods. If you're like, I'm not that hungry. Eat a little less. It's natural limiters. Start with protein, natural limiters. The key here, Nick, for a guy on the road, is gonna be to prep your meals. 'Cause here's where you're gonna mess up. You're gonna eat out. You're gonna need a fast food place or whatever. That food is engineered to make your overeat. And if you listen to your hunger signals when you eat that kind of food, then you're definitely gonna get fat. And it gets really difficult to stay the course. 'Cause this is the other thing that a guy like you does who works like this, is you let these long six, eight hour windows of no food go. And then when you eat, you eat a ton. And you eat a ton of things that are not ideal. You just structure it. And so if you, like a guy like you out, what I tell you to do is let's just Nick, we're gonna focus on hitting your protein every day. Yep. That means you gotta have beef jerky ready for you or some Greek yogurt ready for you in a lunchpale. Like keep things like that that are high protein, moderate amount of calories, close to whole food, if not whole food, ready for you. And focus on just hitting your protein every day. And let the calories fall where the calories fall. If you're hungry or eat, but eat more of those things. Don't go eat a bunch of shit, eat more of those high protein meals. And it'll balance itself out. Totally. Especially if you're consistent with your strength training. Okay. I'm pretty, I'm usually pretty good about hitting my protein goal. I eat just a lot of ground beef, ground turkey, turkey sandwiches for work. Not tracking calories makes me a little nervous 'cause I'm pretty diligent about it. Where do you land right now? Okay, okay. Where do you land on your calories? Tell me. I get, again, it's so inconsistent like Monday was a long day, but it wasn't physically demanding. So I just wasn't hungry. So I only ended up eating like a thousand calories. Tuesday was a lot harder. I was a little bit hungry. So I ended up eating like 1600, but there were a few days last week where I was hungry up until like 2500 calories. Yeah, but Nick, how are you hitting your protein to not eating a thousand? You're not eating enough protein, bro. No, no. I say usually, usually, usually I'm pretty good about hitting my protein targets. Well, I'll tell you right now, the three days you just named, you probably didn't hit your protein intake. No, no, no. So be consistent with whole natural foods. Yeah. Eat when you're hungry, eat the protein first, but also eat on a schedule. I'm going to add that to you. So don't let a few hours go without eating something. Yeah, yeah. That'll help you out, dude. I mean, you need to hit your protein intake. And your calories are too low. Your calories, and then what's happening too, is if you go back to back days where you're a thousand 1500 calories, then you're ravenous day three. And then that's when you might be overeating. on those days. And so and protein isn't like carbs and fat. It's an average of your week. It's not like, oh, you had 300 grams of protein today. And yesterday you had 50. Therefore, you have an average to know it's every day you need to hit your protein intake or it's a misday. And the more misdays you have, the we're going backwards. You need to be consistent with that. And I think if you just focus on it, because you can't let a thousand calorie day go by, you got to hit, you got to hit your protein intake every day. That's right. Hit your protein take it every day and make that a focus. And that's where I'd start you. And we can get more more detailed on the diet later. But that's a good place to start right there. Heating the protein intake following the advice we said about the. Honestly, Nick, if you were consistent, if you were consistent with all that, like really consistent, your body fat percentage is going to fall at a nice probably 13 to 15%. You're going to have good muscle. You'll feel strong. If you just did that consistently and no need without tracking, without diligent tracking. Okay. Wow. 13%. I don't know if I've ever been 13% my entire life. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. You'll be in the mid teens. Okay. Okay. Wow. Good time to do it, bro. You don't have any kids yet. No, no, no, no. It only gets harder with that. So you want to have this all figured out before that. Nick, if you want, if you're interested in more consistent, like having someone work with you through this process, we have really good coaches that could work with you through this process and help you kind of move through the whole thing. Because I hear a little apprehension or fear with the going off the tracking. Like, were you really overweight at one point in your life? Because there's a little bit of fear with. For most of my life, I was really overweight. I still would call myself overweight now just not as overweight. Okay. I know there's just so much like comfort and yeah. Okay. I'm super consistent about tracking my calories. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. But it just makes you really uncomfortable to not know my calories. Yeah. Get a coach for a while. No, no, that makes sense. Invest in a coach for a while. Yeah. It'll be well worth it. Oh, six months with a good coach. You'll come out of this totally different. Yeah. Totally different. Booster. Yeah. Because this makes a lot of sense. I don't know if I could afford. Yeah. I wouldn't go ahead. All right. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, I was just going to say it makes a lot of sense. Now when I heard you say, you know, I don't know if I, if I, you know, going off tracking sounds like it's a, there was some apprehension there. Makes a lot of sense. Now, you know, when you said you were kind of overweight as a kid for a long time, a little bit of fear around that. Not working with a coach is going to be very difficult. What we just said, like really hard. Okay. Okay. Because it's going to be like letting go of a security blanket. And what that might look like, one of two things, either a you don't like the way it feels. You go back to tracking and you just stay where you're at. Or b, you go off the deep end. And it feels like now I'm just out of control. And now I'm eating like crazy. And I can't stop. So those are the two kind of extremes that people will fall when there's a little bit of that, that past going on. So what a good coach is going to do is walk you through a reverse diet. They're going to slowly take you off tracking. But you are going to track it first. You're going to hit those targets. They're going to monitor your strength training, get you through that process. By the end of it, you're confident. You're confident. You can do it. Okay. I, I would like to get a coach. I don't know if I could afford a good coach. That's well, I'll tell you this much. You definitely can't afford a bad coach. Yeah. You don't want a bad coach. Yeah. That's a complete. You might as well. I feel like I feel like I'd be doing better with no coach than a bad coach. And at least I'm not burning money. Yes. You 100%. You need to look at this, though. Nick, this is not this is not a luxury thing to have. This is an investment in yourself. And you just got to ask yourself if this is something that's really important to you. If it's not that important to you, then don't spend the money. Don't invest in it. But if this is something that before you have kids, this is something that you want to have control of. You want to see what low teens body fat percentage of you. You want to know what it's like to be able to maintain that comfortably, have Evan flows and work, be healthy, be fit, be a, be a strong father, be good there for your wife. If you, if that's something that's important to you and you want to invest, then you invest in it. If you don't, then you don't. But it's a lot like what I don't know what you do for work. But I'm sure you had to get certifications or get training or learn your skill to make money. And I'm sure whatever that costs time wise, effort wise to do that. It's paid itself 10 fold back because it's what you do for a career. The same thing is with this with coaching is this is not a luxury or I'm buying something that will be nice to have. This is an investment in learning about yourself and figuring this out. But if you don't give a shit, then you don't give a shit. But if you care, then that's what this is. And then yeah, and then you're, and then after you have it, you have those tools forever. When you put it that way, okay, okay. Yeah. Look, let me have I'll have somebody call you today. You ask all the questions you want. Okay. See if it's something you want to do. But I'm really glad to ask you the, the, the, the, the, the last two questions that I asked you, because it makes a lot of sense now. And it would be, like, I would be life changing for someone like you. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'd, I'd love someone to reach out to me and at least talk about it. All right. Nick, let's do that. I hope to see you in there, brother. If we see you in there, I'll see you in there because I hop in on some of the calls. So Sorry. I appreciate it. Thank you very much, guys. Oh, by the way, you drive down the Bay Area, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Usually San Francisco. Okay. So we're in San Jose and you end up working with one of our coaches. We'll probably see you here and there. Yeah. Yeah. We'll have you kind of come in. We're in San Jose. Yeah. Oh, I would, I'd absolutely love that. Yeah. Fantastic. Yeah. It's good. Right. Thanks, bro. I'll see you, brother. All right. Thanks guys. Take care. Yep. You know, it's funny is what a, what a, what a lesson, right? That looks going to be deceiving because initially we're talking to him and it just sounds like regular dude. Yeah. Want to get in shape, contract or whatever. There was hesitancy there. And I pick up on that and I'm like, yeah, let me dig in that a little bit because that's, it's an interesting thing that he just said. Right. And sure enough, he was an overweight kid. Yeah. And let's say, listen, it's good to know. Yeah, dude, it's what happens with someone like that when they try to go off track and either they don't because it's scary or they do and they go crazy with the food, which then really scares them. And they just don't solve this problem. And just for people listening, a coach walks you through that process. Oh, I, and now it's very clear everything everything's going on. He's, he's under slept overworked under, under fed, under fed recipe for body is not losing body fat. It's stuck at a certain place. Yeah. That's 100%. He's that that trifecta and it's a step by step to fix that. But like I said, it's, it's an investment in yourself to learn this and figure it out. And either you care about it, you know what sucks is either you care about it now or you will care it. You will eventually. Yeah. At some point. Yeah. It's forced. Yeah. And so hopefully he's at a place in his life where he can see that and have the foresight of, you know what, I don't want to be. I also do it because throw on marriage to kids and older learn it now. Yeah. Learn it and it only gets stress bucket. More difficult because that all those things are figure it out now as important or more important. Our next caller is Rachel from England. Rachel. Hey, Rachel. Hey, hello. I love you to meet you. How can we help you? Yeah. Just want to say thank you for your advice and everything that you do. I've been following you since, have a quick 2021 avid listener of you really trying to do learn everything I can. I feel like I'm spinning my wheels. I'm 58. I am just double Joe. Five foot eight, 147 pounds. And I want to look like I lift and I don't look like I lift. I'm on second time now on adabolic, your adabolic following that second time through. I push. I've got my own home gym here that's got the everything here bench press got cable machine. Everything that I need adjustable dumbbells barbell. I really do push. I'm very, very dedicated to it. I take HRT to test her own. I'm on E.E.A.'s, CREATING. I eat roughly 2,000 calories a day. I always eat my protein. Rachel. Thank you for calling first of all. I appreciate you following us for so long. How's your eyesight? Let's get to this. I don't need to see the rest of you. I can see the vein in your shoulder. I can tell you work out. I can tell you lift weights. Yeah, I'm all, you know, I was, you know, J. J. Verge, the lady I think she's been on your podcast before. I think that she's 63 and she's incredible. I want arms like she's got. Yeah, well, I want to lift your arm up again. Put your arm up. Give us your bike. Oh, no, stop it. But are you kidding me? Rachel, can I tell you what the problem is Rachel? Can I be blunt? Please. I think you're, I think you're way too hard on yourself. Okay. My husband says that. You're doing everything. Yes. You look, but I don't need some wisdom. I don't need to see the rest of you at all. I could just see your shoulders. If you, if you said nothing, if you sent us a picture of this right here, I would have like, oh, she lifts weights consistently. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're really hard on yourself, hun. How's your strength? Tell me about your strength. Tell me about your, your lift. Okay. So I bench 110 pounds. Squatting is not pretty because I've got one bad knee, but I scored 115 pounds. Deadlift, 183, Barbell Co 63 pounds. Yeah. You're one of the strongest you're one of the strongest 58 year old women that you probably have ever met. Yeah. Oh wow. Okay. Yeah. Who is nice to hear? Yeah. I mean, you're kicking butt, huh? Yeah. Okay. Look around when you go outside today. Look around at the average late 50s early 60s woman. Do they look anything like you? Well, I played golf. So yeah, I love them are very fit and Yeah, lean and I bet they don't look like you. Yeah. Yeah. You're really yeah You're really hard on yourself, honey. You're doing a great job. Yeah. Tell me about I don't know if there's anything I can change, but let's talk a little bit. So what does your nutrition look like? Massively into my protein. I always get at least 30 grams protein for breakfast and a lunch evening meal. I now and again have a drink not often if I do it's a tequila. Oh sugar. You've gone off. No, we're here. Back off. Back off. Sorry. Um, yeah, I try to eat very clean. Um, I do 12,000 steps a day and on golf days I do 20,000. On the golf days, I try to eat more because you always say you have to eat to build muscle. Yeah. So I just feel like I'm spinning my wheels and for what I'm doing, I don't feel like I'm getting stronger. Well, where your calorie, do you have any idea where your calories land every day? Sounds like you're under eating. Yeah, as it say, we might do what? How much? 22? 2000. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty low. And 90, 90 grams of protein a day on average, 30 grams. Yes, definitely. I always hit my protein. Yeah. So that's 90 grams of protein. You're a hundred and would you say 48 pounds? Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. I don't know. You're tall. You're not another 30, 40 grams of protein. Another meal. This is another meal. Yeah, another meal. You'll gain more muscle. Yeah, we need to build. We need to order it. So wait, just so you know, it just to be clear here, because I think we all agree that I think you look phenomenal. You look great. You could literally just keep doing what you're doing and you're kicking butt and you're kicking butt. But if you want to see more body composition change, if you want to build more muscle and be more. Yeah, then we need to fuel and we need to eat more. So we need to go on a bulk. We need to eat more calories. We need to really focus on building. I don't care if I see the scale. Go up five pounds or not. Like I want to see your strength. Go up, which it's all by the way, it's good already. Very good. And if you were happy, I'd be happy. But if you're telling me out of my really, I want to see if I can build more muscle. I say, great. We got to eat more. You're a very, you're very active. Yeah, you know, somebody who steps steps as much as you do, golf on the top of your weight training also. Yeah, you we need to feed you. And we need to go on a reverse diet. So have you ever considered to have somebody take you through this. Have you ever had a coach take you through it? It couldn't afford it at the moment. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's not. That would be if you added another 30 to 40 grams of protein in another smell meal. Yeah, like another 300 calorie meal. And just be consistent with that. You'll see your muscle. Are you running any of our programs? Are you doing your own program? I'm on anabolic. You're on anabolic. And I've got symmetry as well. Oh great. Follow symmetry. Great. Two programs for you to toggle back and forth from. Yeah, perfect. Yeah. We just need to eat more. You add another 300 another another small meal with another 30 grams of protein. Just that by itself. You'll feel that in the performance too. But why not get fluffy? No, no, no, you're going to be a muscle and promise. Active. It's not. Yeah. And promise me you won't you won't get into the. In fact, I would want no, don't don't get on the scale. Don't don't judge that right now. Like the goal is eat more. And let's see if we get stronger on those lifts. The lifts that you already told us about. Let's see if we can increase those lifts. It's literally just another healthy meal with another 30 grams of protein. That's it. Yep. Okay. Yeah. Perfect spot. And you're just going to build muscle with it. You're not going to get there's not going to be with that gang with that. Why I love for you to just do that and follow back up with this in about 60 days. Yeah, let's do this. 60 days. Let's get you back on. Okay. That'd be lovely. Yes. Good. Yeah. Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you. Do it Rachel. You're love it. Oh, I love your family. I don't know if I look like I live. She's saying there's got a vein. I see a baby. You're dealt Rachel. You're 58 year old. The baby. That was a great, great line to you. Yeah. You're all your eyesight. Yeah. Dude, like we said. Yeah. I mean, just compared, you know, typical. You're a J.J. versus you compare yourself to one woman. Yeah. One social media. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody who's an exception to the rule type of deal. Yeah. But man, what a and this is this is such a I think one of the most interesting parts about our job is that's a classic example of that's a dream place. I want all my 58 year old people to be like to get to that. Yeah. Like to be where she's at leanness wise activity wise, strength wise, strong vibrance. I mean, hormonal all the things she's doing it all, but she still wants more. And so this is the part where it's just like we can tweak a couple. Yeah, we get to a couple of things, but know that you're you're you're it. That's right. Yeah, this is it. This is the good place to be. That's right. Our next caller is Tyler from Washington. What's up Tyler? Hey, how's it going? Good man. How can we help you? How can we help you? Yeah. So Justin looks nervous. So I'm just going to read my, you know, thanks man. Let's give the soul with. Yeah. Hey, my team. I'm 25 years old. I've been listening to you guys for about four years now. And ever since my life has changed so drastically. From interest and hobbies to relationships and work. You've always been in my ear, providing guidance on health and job and longevity. Also wanted to mention back in college, you guys inspired me to build an app to track my protein. And now I'm working on another fitness related app. So as my mentors from afar, I'd like your advice on finding life mentors who I aspire to learn from and share my struggles with. I remember once you described your 20s and one word and it was lost. I can't help but resonate with that so strongly. So who were your mentors and how did you find them for some background information about me. I moved to Seattle two years ago for a software engineer job. It pays great and I love the benefits, but I'm not very passionate about my work. I'm passionate about tech and using it to improve people's lives, not really maintaining enterprise level systems that aren't helping anyone. And I just picked up playing hockey two years ago. I'm currently on a beer league team and this has been a blast for creating a sense of purpose and community, but it's only once a week. Thanks. Yeah, you got it, man. Thanks for calling in, bro. This is cool. I curious because it sounds like you're what are you passionate about? What do you want to do long term workwise? What's kind of like what's dream job dream situation for you? Every time I touch tech, it tends to revolve around just bettering people's lives, usually through health and fitness because that's where I've seen the most growth myself. Nice to. So I so advice around that because I feel like this is a cool way to kind of hack into finding a mentor and then also accelerate your growth in business and financially. So I would find somebody who is doing something that I like doing the dream job or doing something in the field that I would love to be in and I would find a way to offer my services to them free. What no matter what it is, I don't give a shit if it's driving them around, helping them around, you know, the office running errands for them. I would offer my services to that person so I could be get in proximity of that person because just being around that person who is doing the thing that I want to do. I'm going to gain so much from that, learning that and then in that process, I might end up building a natural mentor right there or maybe the people that are around that person I find a mentor to. I think that's a great strategy and I think it does, like I said, it doesn't need to be paid. I think sometimes people feel like, well, but I need to make money. It's cool. Make money. Do your thing that makes the job. But then if you really want to pursue a good mentorship or you really want to accelerate and grow in a different field, go find the person who's doing something closest to what you want to do later in your life and go help them out for free. And I, any, and if this is a good person and a good potential mentor, like I would never shut down a kid who knocked on our door and said, hey, I want to work for you guys for free. What can I do? I just want to be around you and around the things that you're doing. What can I do? Like I would never kick that kid out of those all of us would be like awesome. And we probably find something for him to do to be around us. And then that would foster a relationship. And let me tell you, we have kids that work for us today that started in free interns that make a tremendous amount of money working for us now. And that's how that relationship started was, hey, I'll do anything. I don't know how to edit or any of that. I'll learn and I'll do it for free. And now these people are in leadership positions in this company, making big money. And so that's what I would do if I was you as I would find who that is and then find a way to get in there and help out for free and see where that goes from there. Tyler, what are your, what are the main motivations for finding a mentor? I think it's just the sense of being lost and wanting to look up to someone, someone to. I don't know. I'm not sure. No, it's just something to navigate my life with. Well, you said just made sense. I totally get that. So I'll start with a caveat. Okay, and something I learned in my youth with mentors is that don't forget people are people. And so what you don't want to do is put someone on a pedestal because they'll let you down. But you can find good mentors in different parts of life. So good business mentor doesn't mean that they're going to be a good family mentor or a good, you know, morality mentor, but good in in that one area. So just consider that. Also consider when it comes to mentorship, it works both ways and all of it for your benefit. In other words, you can find someone who's in a different stage of life from you, an older guy who's doing things. You can learn from him, but then also you can take someone under you who's younger than you. That's in a different stage and both of those will benefit you greatly. So mentoring others is another form of mentorship that will actually bring you tremendous amount of value. Good place is to look. Do you go to a church? I do not. Okay, so here's a deal. You're feeling lost. You want to find a good community. You mentioned the beer league that you're in in your email and it sounds like that you're finding like some good community there. Okay, find yourself a good church. You don't have to believe in anything yet. But if you go in there with the attitude of I want to meet people, find a good community. Good church has always have a really tight community. Mentorship is typically baked into the community itself because it's part of the gospel. Find yourself a good church. Just walk in. Be curious. And then ask them if they have any life groups or if they have any community based groups for guys or age or whatever and you'll find some great ones or you should be able to find some great ones. And then just show up. If you're open to meeting people and open to new experiences, I think it'll be quite surprised. And for someone your age who's looking for growth who feels a little lost, I think that could be a phenomenal place to find some of the meaning and purpose and also the community that you're looking for. Just to piggyback more off of what Sal said about I'm so glad he he said that about not putting them on a pace because I know I pushed you in the business direction because that's where my brain goes always. The people who I think of in my life that are like mentors are different for all different categories. There's definitely the business killer who I go when I got something on my mind, I'm wrestling with I can't get breakthrough in this business and something. There's definitely someone I pick up the phone and that is not the same person who when I'm struggling with something with my wife and my kid or some of that and I pick up the phone, right? Or there's somebody who I'm struggling with with my relationship or walk with Christ. It's they're all different people. So there isn't one one man that I go like, oh, he's the all these and rarely ever is that normally each one of them are in their discipline. They're amazing. My my spiritual guidance he's a little worst person asked business advice from my business guy. Worst God asked spiritual about you know what I'm saying? Like my and my business guy terrible guy to ask you know parenting family stuff like so very good point to don't you know who would really be cognizant of what you're seeking for what reasons and go after it for for those reasons and and let go of the fact that he may not be the best father but hey when he's helping you with your business mind and what you're working on there great great mentor for that. So I think that's great advice and so and that's what it looks like in my life. It doesn't look like one man is that for me or one woman is that like a bunch of people like that that you you find aspects that you really admire about and it really it's it's about being open like so if you're already in a bit of a community you can start picking up on these things like you know what they do for their their trade like you know are they a good father are they good role model and you know in the community somehow or you know is there a way that my skills can benefit them and then that's kind of like the bridge there where opens up you know a lot of that opportunity where you know you're building your own network of you know leaders and you can you can definitely pull from them and that's going to help to you know give you some guidance. I'm really I'm really happy that you called at your age at 24 yeah like that's this is this is excellent. This is the fact that you feel lost is something that I didn't necessarily know I felt in my 20s until later. Yeah and then looking back on I was lost as heck yeah I was running all kinds of different directions shows a lot of maturity on your story. It's really really it's actually good even though it feels a little probably to you like doesn't feel good it's just your awareness of the reality and I just want to echo this I don't know how open you are to go into a church but I really think it would be a good idea to walk in and don't just attend the sermon that's fine but you talk to them afterwards and say hey do you guys have like do you guys have life groups and community and you can tell them I'm not a you know I'm not a believer but I'm looking to make friends I'm looking to build community though welcome you in with open arms if they're a good church and what you'll find there are probably really good people but really good organized community and like what you get with your beer league but you know maybe even better and deeper and then I think that'll move you in and and put you in different directions that I think will be beneficial. Something that South said too that I think is important to reiterate too and I don't know if you've heard me talk about my relationship with Katrina and one of the most attractive qualities that made me fall in love with her about was I never at that point met a woman who had as many connections and relationships as I did and I found that was super and together it's amazing how we could pick up a phone and go anywhere do anything and we have somebody who who do that and what that's from is it's from decades starting in my 20s all the way into my 40s and her also of doing for others serving others and that and that and it's amazing when you're you consistently do that without expecting anything in return but doing doing kind things and doing things of service to other people before you know it you wake up in your 35 one day and you've been doing that for 10 years and you've got a hundred people at the at the you could pick a phone up and call because you need help or a favor for something but it's all started with giving your time giving your service giving to others without expecting anything return and that builds it's a beautiful thing when you do it takes time and consistency but if you start now because you care about those things you'll look back in your 30s and 40s and you're going to have a lot of mentors a lot of connections a lot of people you can reach out to yeah dude awesome well thank you guys so much I appreciate it oh you got it man do you mind if I ask another question no whoa let's go yeah so I wanted to know what my training should look like I I want to bulletproof my body for sports yet still build it for aesthetics for some more context I was a fat kid growing up and used keyo dieting on and off this caused some thyroid issues and I've been diagnosed with Hashimoto's I'm taking armor thyroid to help but haven't really felt young since I was 20 I've dislocated my right shoulder several times now had surgery to fix it and it's popped out twice since every time it pops out it loosens the work and I'm praying it doesn't pop out again but I'm sure it eventually will and then at the end of May I played in a hockey tournament and ended up with a great two terin my PCL and some mcl damage so still recovering from that and yeah I'm not sure what my training should look like right now how often are you playing are you practicing hockey right now right now I'm doing once a week just because my knee doesn't feel exactly stable okay I want to get to twice a week okay I like maps I like maps symmetry for you okay yeah I'll send you that program I think it'll be good unilateral and allpastability both with your shoulder and with your knee and your hip and ankle what you're connected to that when you get up to playing two times a week I'd move to like our maps 15 program call yeah so so maps so maps symmetry when you bump up your hockey maps 15 symmetry I see okay yep okay I think that'd be perfect yeah very straightforward we'll send you symmetry unilateral focus would be great cool thank you guys you got it man I'd like to keep it up time thanks take it easy I remember learning that lesson with some of my first mentors because there were phenomenal mentors and then you I put them on a pedestal no it's a great point you made and then you know and then I noticed the flaws in them which was like devastating you know as a kid yeah it's like we have your person everybody's got everybody's got no no it's such a great I mean in it on I rarely do you get somebody who's like a real all-encompassing mentor it's like you really it's very specific that's right yeah great great fathers to be great fathers great business guys but I mean and and you and it's okay it's okay to I don't and I don't think you take anything away from that person just because they're not good another thing it's like you can take from each of us you just got to go into understanding that because otherwise it can be kind of devastating yeah our next color is Jenna from Wisconsin Jenna welcome back Jenna you guys so good to see you guys again how's it going good good you see update how's the flexor yeah so the update is I've been doing the hip flexor isolation movement that you recommended the bat Roman chair movement and I feel like things are definitely getting better going in the right direction I've definitely noticed some improved strength and stability in that area yesterday I actually for the first time loaded it with a tempel kettlebell when I was doing it and that felt really good so I've definitely had less flare ups there were a couple though one of them was after I was kind of running around with my kids we have this track just down the road so you're just kind of running around keeping up with my toddler and the next day I definitely noticed a little bit of a flare up but it really was minor and kind of of less severe than I'm used to. and subsided pretty quickly. The other one was I recently resigned up for a new old to me, Jim, I should say. And I met with one of the trainers there and he kind of worked with me through some of my bigger lifts. And I noticed the next day after squatting and deadlifting that I could kind of feel that area talking a little bit. But again, it resolved quite quickly. It's definitely not as bad as I am used to. So I do think that that's still reassuring. Yeah, definitely feeling a little bit stronger from when I started doing those Roman chair movements to now, it's definitely like I feel like I can do it easier and I was comfortable enough to have that kettlebell in. Good job. Thank you. A couple follow up questions that I do have before getting back into heavier lifts. I'm currently I did a run back symmetry. So after the third phase went back to phase one. So I'm currently at the end of phase two right now again. And then once I'm done with symmetry, what would be the best program to slide into in the past? I've done in like the past year, I should say, I've done anabolic performance and muscle mommy. I haven't done power lift or strong before. And I was wondering if maybe those might be a good option. Those are both great. Those are both great options. I will I want to give you some advice going forward with like if you notice that again, nothing stops you from running a different program. And then when I get to like barbell bass Watts, I do Bulgarian split squats instead. OK. So if you if you notice, it's still kind of talking to you. We're improving from what you're doing, which is great, great sign we're moving in the right direction. Real easy way to regress, go back the other way is to push yourself too much on a barbell back squat when it's not ready yet. So if you if you feel it talking to you like that again, when you do something, then just say, I'm going to do when I get to barbell back squats in the program, I'm going to do Bulgarian split squats instead. So that would be my suggestion is to do stuff like that or if you noticed it talking to you from a barbell deadlift, I'm going to have you do single leg deadlifts instead of doing a barbell deadlift. Like so if you notice it, do that instead of kind of just pushing through it or going like, oh, it's not as bad as it was last time, take that sign of it still talking to me. And I still have a bit of an imbalance and instability that we can get stronger, get better there and stick with that. So you could totally keep moving through different maps programs, but just keep that in the back of your head when you get to those movements and your body talks to you. And this is exactly how I move through my life all the time is I'm moving in and out of our different types of programs. But if I feel something in my body, they go, oh, I probably should do single leg there because I don't, it doesn't feel right to go do heavy load back. It's totally OK too. Yeah, Jenna, I'll say it's expected. First off, great job. And it looks like we nailed the, we hit the knee on the head for what the issue was. The little flare ups are, I think she froze. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, there you are. OK. OK, I'll start over. No worries. I'll start over. OK, so it sounds like what we really hit the nail in the head with our recommendation. And so that's, I would stay there with what you're doing. The flare ups are expected because it's only been, what is it, 60 days? OK? So here's what happens when you have pain and correctional exercise addresses the root cause of the pain. The first thing that happens is you get strong enough to where the pain goes away. But you're still not strong enough to be where you should be. That takes a little while. It's probably going to take you another 60 to 90 days. It's a lot of time. Yeah, that you got to eliminate. OK, so you still got to be careful. You still got to be careful. Even though there's no pain, it's not as strong as it needs to be before you can just go back into doing everything without ever experiencing a flare up. OK, so we're only 60 days in. Yeah. It's probably going to take another 60 to 90 days of that kind of dedicated work before you like, you know, you're in the clear type of deals. Just consider that as you continue to do this. OK. Program wise, power lift or strong is perfectly fine. But because of the hip flexor thing, I'd probably lean more towards strong than power lift because power lift is so heavy, you know, squat focused. And I know that can kind of annoy your hip flexor a little bit. Yeah. So we can point you in that direction. And I think that would be great. OK. OK. Cool. I did in my follow up email include some recent body scans too that I did at the anytime fitness. And I noticed that it looked like things are kind of more balanced as far as like the muscle tissue left to right. Awesome. So I feel like that's kind of reassuring. It's been a long time since I've done one of those scans. It was February, 2024, since I did one. So it's been a while. But I think that's also kind of reassuring that things seem to be relatively balanced as far as-- Of course. This is what we consistently see with people that go through symmetry. And you're going through symmetry for a second time, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. It's super consistent when we see people do. It's actually one of the coolest things is that when we have those Dexas scans that show left to right, it's one of our favorite things is having a client go through that. And they notice the balancing of that just from running that program one time. And you've run it twice. So it's definitely from that. OK. Very cool. Good job. I do have a quick follow up if you guys have. Sure. I'm sure I'm in there too. So I've been taking a jail coup one for the past few months. Just kind of something that I've been thinking about for a couple of years. And I finally was just like, I had an opportunity to try it out. And I've been on really, really low dose, just kind of getting a feel for it. I didn't want to have any issues with not being able to eat enough or losing muscle. And I think I've actually done a really good job of managing it. I feel like I'm actually stronger now than I was before. And my weight hasn't fluctuated that much from when I started it. But I'm getting off of it. I'll probably be taking my last dose here in a couple of weeks. And is there anything that I should consider or be aware of that might be a challenge? And once I'm kind of off then. No, but let me let's just back up for a second. So I'm assuming you didn't get this from a doctor, right? You went online and bought it yourself. You could be in a great area. Yeah, I figure because I don't think a doctor would have prescribed a jail p to you. Yeah, because you're not a patient that would need a jail p. What was in just be honest, like what was the why use it? What was the motivation behind it? So the two biggest things that were my motivation that I really wanted to try. It was you had mentioned before that it was helped with inflammation. And I've had some gut issues that I've been dealing with in the past. It's gotten better like two years ago. I want to say I worked with Dr. Cabral and I did some of their tests staying and went through their CBO protocol and that really kind of helped things quite of it. So kind of dealing with some lingering issues and I think I've kind of parsed it out a little bit. I know I'm sensitive to gluten so I typically stay away from that. Definitely pasta is a big one too. That bothers me. And then the other thing was just like food noise. I feel like that's been kind of something that has been a big challenge for me or just like before I was constantly thinking about my next meal or like it was just like constant. Like I'm eating but I'm thinking about like what I'm going to have for a snack after that type of thing. And I feel like trying it was giving myself an opportunity to like break that cycle and hopefully once I come off of it have like a little bit of a better grasp on that. And I that's a little bit of a fear is you know when I come off of it is that food noise going to be like glaring when I'm not taking it. No, but here's just a couple things. So here's a deal with gut issues and GLPs. The kind of gut issues that get better with GLPs have to do with people who have really fast motility. So people who tend towards gut issues that cause diarrhea. Most women are the opposite. Most women's gut issues are due to slow motility. And so gut issues tend to get worse. In fact, one of the side effects, the most common side effects of GLP is worse gut issues. So I'm the rare kind of person who actually gets better with a GLP because I have too fast motility. But that's almost never the case, especially if you have SIBO because motility tends to be slow. So that's the first one. The second one, do you have a history of like big swings and weight? Like were you really obese at one point in the last way? Or were you is that not really an issue for you? I've been definitely more overweight. I would say I think my heaviest I was at was like two ten and that's like not including pregnancy. I got up to like 240 both times but it was like gone like that. Right now I'm sitting at 180 degrees. So I've definitely been heavier than I am now, but I would say like what you're saw pause right there what you're talking What you're mentioning or what you're referring to as food noise is just being normal That you're just you're just being normal and maybe eating too little To fuel like your strengthings and stuff and so I just want to caution you have an issue with eating too little I think it's actually kind of I borderline where I feel like I'm sometimes maybe eating too much and I have a hard time gaining fat So so food noise when someone says food noise when I hear someone say that depending on the person What that typically means is okay? Let's eat more of whole natural foods not let's eat Like snacks or you know hyper palatable process foods, okay? Yeah, so that would be the direction. I'll point to I would point you in but I don't think The food noise that you're experiencing that people who go on a GLP that need a GLP experience I don't think they're they're one in the same. What did your what did your scan come back body fat percentage eyes? Where you at right now? It's a 25.7. Yeah, you're a good one. Fine. You have a lot of muscle. Yeah, I just dug just now pulled up your your photos right now looking at you Yeah, so you have good muscle mass and and if you're on a low dose if you're micro dosing GLP you're probably not gonna notice much when you come off where are you where your calories? Haven't tracked recently, but if I had to guess right now, I'm probably sitting at between 1800 to 2000 Your food noise because you're hungry and you should be I Was my calories were definitely higher prior to taking the GLP one. Yeah, they definitely decreased a bit Well, they should be here. Yeah, you have a you have a lot of muscle unless you're an extremely sedentary person Then I would want you way higher in calories. There's a big difference. You should be mid to high 2000s and if you I mean if you stick to whole natural foods then you're gonna eat pretty appropriately unless we have some a past of like dysfunctional eating in which case sometimes those signals are off But your weight the weight fluctuate should you gave me is not huge? Yeah, you would stick to whole natural foods. You feel like ooh, I'm hungry Then you then you go to you know more of what you had for dinner or more of what you'll prep I feel like I've definitely made a lot of strides like I do eat all like I would say 85% whole natural foods like I eat a good amount of protein I don't eat a lot of junk food or sweets and stuff like that So think I'm pretty good there and I think I'm actually really reassured at How the trajectories gonna go with me coming off the GLP and then In turn getting back into some of those heavier lifting or a different program that Hopefully once my appetite kind of starts gradually increasing that it's just gonna go towards building more muscle. Yeah, that's what happens Yeah, that's what you gotta focus. Yeah, that's what will happen Yeah, you're good and just again, I'm a caution you the They call it a great market because You know, no, so I didn't get it on the great market. It was actually prescribed but not to myself. I'll say that Okay, thanks for stuff. All right, that's all right Yeah, but I don't think you're gonna notice this but you know you're but also the real point of us bringing you know You're not somebody who needs this like you're Of course you knew we're gonna say that. Okay, I mean you you need you just more you need more calories Yeah, and I would that's where I would push you when if you're telling me that Adam I'm still thinking about food or I'm still snacking I'd be so it's because we're too low calories if you lean into that map Strong and get strong and get your list strong and when you're hungry eat, but just make good food choices You're gonna you're gonna continue build muscle. Yep. Yeah, I don't care about the scale right now Don't don't look at that don't pay attention to that just keep going the Russian and you're already at a good body fat percentage Yeah, I mean you're you're a nice body fat person. Yeah, if you actually just focus on building you'll probably get a little leaner even yep, yeah You will you will yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll send you maps strong if you don't have that okay. I do I do have it I have strong and power. Oh, okay strong. You strong. Yeah, have you ever thought it'll be pause you have you ever thought about working with one of our coaches Janet you have our love our programs. You'd be such a good candidate So I I met with I believe it's cold. Yeah Back in you guys were running a special at the end of last year for reverse dieting and I actually met with him at the end of last year And kind of just got a bit of a plan and I started on that plan, but then I started the GLP But I told him right now I probably wouldn't do it just because last year I switched to working part time just so I could spend more time with my kids for a while So maybe the future I'd be interested in that just probably not right now Well go fall there was go fall to plan though all the way through Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, do strong and follow the plan so if you already got the plan that they laid out for you follow the plan and Run strong yep and run it through you'll love it no GLP one All right, Jenna thank you Jenna. Thank you. Bye bye You remember when I said probably three out of four Americans are gonna be on a GLP. Yeah, definitely back to that It's just gonna have people using them. Oh, it's everybody bro It's you know what happens here's it's beyond the obese now and the comment the terminology that people are using is now getting twisted and distorted to mean something else like Food noise what is food noise thinking about food? No, that's that's normal. It's get ready or hunger That's normal, which is not the food noise that that what when we're when you're talking about someone's really struggling with obesity He's gone on and off was a candidate for a GLP is doing it the right way It's actually food obsession is what they should call that's what they mean by food noise. It's this constant Thought of that's why it's called noise is because it's always in the background. It's not man after I eat I still want a little dessert or you know later night. I went so I want to get rid of that. That's not food noise No, it's normal especially when it's when you're eating 1800 calories And you got that much muscle mass We got to talk more about that's your that's your body saying yeah, you need more food give me my food You're straight training me and we have all this muscle. I'm gonna lose this muscle if you don't feed it That's what that is. It's a good. That's a good signal. That's right. Look if you like the show come find us on Instagram It's mind-pump me. 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