Lucy Aharish: The Muslim Woman Who Became Israel's First Arab News Anchor

When I was five and a half years old, I went through a terror attack in the gas station. I used to beg my parents not to go to school. There were graffiti on the wall. Lucy Filthy Arab get out of here. We don't want Arabs in our school. And I silently sneaked into the bathroom. And I saw her. Over there. She was my best friend. Wow. In October 7th. On October 7th. The terrorists had reached through in the south. I hear booms. I hear booms. I hear missiles. There are missiles above my head. And I looked up and I saw Tsakhir with his military uniform. And I told him, where the fuck do you think you're going? And he looked at me and he told me, Lucy, this is not a drill. This is the real thing. I started looking up for a place to hide Adam. Your baby. Yeah. And I remember literally opening the washing machine. To see if I'm able to put Adam in. Builder breaking news. We go not to the anchor desk where tonight's lead story is our guest. 19 years ago, she broke a barrier. The first Arab Muslim woman to read the news in Hebrew on mainstream Israeli television. She's interviewed a Hamas official, a sitting president. And this year, I'm about to add her own apartment. On October 7th, she helped direct rescues to families trapped in their homes. But this year, she had security had to protect her own family. Lucy Aharish live right here right now on Builder break. How did I do? Perfect. Lucy, I am so happy to be with you. Let's start by clarifying to our audience because we have a global audience at US audience. You guys are in for something very special. And what you might not understand, and this is like an iconic person in Israel and the Middle East. Like, can you please just please brag, don't be, just a very once second. I can brag a little bit about yourself because the audience might not know who you are. And then we're going to go deep and explore a little. Wow. I will try to, you know, summarize it in a few sentences. My parents are originally from Nazareth 53 years ago. They decided to move to a lot. They decided to leave like the, you know, the tribal family in Nazareth. My father, he understood that he doesn't want to raise his family in the Arab community because he wants to break barriers. And he wants to go out and maybe give other opportunities to his family to recognize this. That is the southernmost point to this. Yes, exactly. And then after one year, they understood that they're actually basically spending their money. And they decided that they're going back to Nazareth. On the way back, they stopped in Dimona, which is a very small town in the south of Israel. That according to foreign press, we have a certain facility in there. We're not allowed to speak here. Essentially nuclear weapons. You said it. And they made a stop there because my uncles used to war in construction in Dimona. And there was a guy there asked my father, what are you doing? He told him, actually, I'm on my way back to go back to Nazareth. Oh, really? What do you do? Oh, I like, you know, do some stuff with, I have a job opportunity for you. What do you think? And he looked at my mom and my mom told him, I don't know. He said to my mom, oh, maybe for one year, two years. One year, two year became 53 years in Dimona. To understand the audience, Nazareth is the homeland of Jesus. But a very Arab town, a Muslim and small Christian community. And then further south in Dimona, it's the middle of nowhere. It's the desert. All you see is a hot sand. And one Muslim family among a Jewish community. I always say that when I arrived to Channel 10, at the beginning of my career, one of the anchors on Channel 10 told me, wow, Lucy, you're Arab, you're Muslim, you're a woman, you're coming from the periphery of Israel. It's like, you are the all don't do in one person. It's like the only thing that is left that you will be a lesbian and that's it. So, until certain time, I'm not. Are we going to break news? My mom. It happens to be married to one of the hottest guys on earth. I love Taki, we'll get to that in a minute. But at a certain point, my mom, when I didn't get married, didn't have any boyfriend or anything, she thought that maybe I'm a lesbian. But no, I'm not. And that's it, 53 years. But I want to raise in Dimona. I want to go back to two pieces about your dad. What made him have the courage to recognize I want to get out of my community and explore and open the horizons for my kids? My dad lost his father when he was in the eighth grade. His father died when he was just 38 years old because of asthma. He had to leave school and help his mom raising more, I think, seven more kids. Yeah, and he started working and most of the places that he were working were in the Kibbutzim next to Nazareth. He worked with the Jewish community, he worked with the Jewish population a lot when he grew up. Was he doing agriculture, what was his? No, he was doing, you know, we say construction and, you know, helping. He didn't go to school, he didn't go to academy, of course. It wasn't something that he even dreamt about. This is why for my father, it was very important that we will go to university, we will get education. So for my father, he worked throughout his life. So when he got married, he understood he saw the opportunities that were outside, that were in the Jewish community, that weren't in the Arab society, that weren't in the Arab community. He wanted to, like, break from the family seed and he wanted to actually try to build his own family. He married a Muslim woman, you married an Israeli Jewish guy. Does he think, "Shit, I fucked up, I should have kept her Nazareth," or is he happy with you? I think for a period of time they set to themselves, my mom and dad, maybe we made a mistake. It was very difficult to raise three daughters in a Jewish community. When all your friends are going out for their first date and they're experiencing their first guests, and you are not. You are not because. You are keeping your tradition of that. Yeah, because you cannot do anything before you're getting married. Anything, you cannot have a boyfriend, you cannot go out on a date, you cannot experience the basic. How old were you when you kissed the boy? When I kissed the boy, it was 19. It was 19 first time. Who was it? Were you the moron or you saw moron? I was in the moron. I read about you when you were a kid. Two things that I read that I found very fascinating. One of them is that when you were a kid in pouring, which is a Jewish tradition, it's kind of like the Jewish version of Halloween, but with a deeper meaning, the meaning connected to history, you would dress like hystero malca. Every single year. And then even when there was independence day, you were blue and white. So they were making you be proudly Israeli and inspired of that one kid called you. Filthy air. You see the Filthy air? Yeah. There are a couple very interesting things for me about that incident. One is how you reacted. Well, both of them how you reacted. For my parents, you know, it's. I see you getting emotional about that because me being Israeli, it was something that is obvious for me throughout my life. I was. I never questioned me being Israeli. I celebrated Jewish holidays in school. I remember fighting with my mom every single year. I wanted to dress up like Esther Queen Esther. At a certain point, my mom came and said, "Okay, maybe we'll mix it up." "Maybe you will dress up like a Japanese. Maybe, you know, I don't know, a clown, something." And I remember telling him, "No, I want to be Queen Esther." And I remembered it in one of the interviews. The interviewer asked me, "You know, it's Queen Esther. It's a symbol of the Jewish people, you know." And I told him, "Okay, where are you going with that?" "Don't you know, it's the Greeks fighting the Persians, fighting though." What the fuck, it's like. And I told him, "No, I was a kid. And I wanted to be a Queen." And I tell you a funny story that you remember. It has nothing to do with what I have to tell you this story. When we were living in New York City, our kids were at a school Dalton. It was like hyper progressive. And one day, they asked us to host the parents. you know, with your bringing all the commissaries like 60 parents in our apartment and the kids say we're going to do a little show So we're like, okay, so they start doing this show and Outcomes Jonah one of our boys and he starts saying in their show that he's Wringle White and he says, I am The scourge of earth. I am the anti hero. I'm the villain the greatest threat to humanity I have done the worst like his brothers were the heroes. He was the anti hero's like I am going to destroy and vanquish humanity I am white man And all the people the parents are like yeah you go because our loadings were black people and progressive people Yeah, you tell them that and we asked in Jonah where did this come from? Like what do you know was drain white that was why so for you, you know, Queen Esther was just like she was the pretty queen Yeah, she was the pretty queen because you know in the like there was Vashti and there was Esther And somebody told me that Vashti was ugly So it she does it's kept me But for me the Jewish tradition was always part of my of my culture Yes, I fasted also Ramadan. I also celebrated Edel Ahtha and Edel Futter But I also went to look for the aficoman in let us say that with my Neighbors because there was the chair that was waiting for another granddaughter which was me And for me that was like you know my my life Just a couple more minutes on the issues of identity You probably managed to piece of everybody right because Them Muslim communities like what the hell is this girl celebrating some Jewish stuff and marrying a Jewish guy And in the Jewish community someone were like why is she intermarrying so Like you're just a rebel with a cause like tell us a little bit of more How do you deal with every single day with your identity? You have Once on now once on how are you raising him? How do you think about these issues? What do you see about what's important in society to preserve some of your traditions to Build bridges. How do you think about that stuff? Or is it just like again? I just wanted to be the pretty girl and I don't think of it. No, I think that you know I remember that I had a conversation with A guy that I met a few years ago and he told me Aren't you tired and I told him about what and he told me about getting up in the morning and every single morning is a fight And I told him you see it as a fight This is my life I am not used to anything else. I'm getting up in the morning and this is me. This is my identity I have a complex identity. I am Israeli. I am Muslim. I am Arab. I'm a woman. I'm a Muslim Arab woman It's Israeli. It's complex And I think that the complexity of my identities Brought me to a point where I'm able to actually look at the entire picture in a way that other people can't For me as a kid when I went through I when I was five and a half years old I went through terror attack in the Gazleston by a Hamas militant So for me the seventh of October was very obvious when I heard people denying the seventh of October I said to myself. I'm sorry for my language. It's been from in any case people don't know because they might not know what you mean when you said seventh of October Seventh of October the biggest massacre that happened to the Jewish people since the Holocaust And to Israelis and to Israel. It was interesting. You in your way you talk you're always building bridges and acknowledging The Jewish people but for me I think about October 7th thinking not just about the Jewish people But the fact that I want that outshed the cousin of my co-founder of the one who was moving, Muhammad Raushev What was murdered as a nurse tending to the Jewish victims of the Nova festival and he thought I want to stay here because I'm Muslim. They're not going to kill me and they kill them and they kill him I acknowledged the fact that when Hamas militants entered Israel The purpose was to kill Jews. They also wanted to kill Israelis, but the purpose was to kill Jews when I saw this video one of the videos that they stopped a guy from East Jerusalem And he told them Jerusalem I'm in Arab I'm Muslim You're Amir you're cooperating with Israel and they shot him in the head So when I saw few days after October 7th That people are denying what happened here as a victim of terror That went through a terror attack and almost lost all my family my entire family When I was five and a half years old seeing my cousin going into flames the images in On October 7th Took me right back to being five and a half years old. So hearing people denying it on 2026 or 2023 back then It's it drove me crazy. How did you become So strong like you take it for granted, but you have an extraordinary strength to fight against extremism on all sides Is it what drives you is it that you see things that I don't see and you want to people to learn that style Is it building bridges what what makes you or were you just born a strong motherfucker like as a little kid When you were a little kid were you like The girl that stood up to you that or what what was inside I was the kid That throughout her life There were people That reached out to me I was the only Muslim kid in school throughout the 90s it was a nightmare Because the 90s was another period of time that Israel experienced With the worst terror attacks that Israel ever experienced until that point Buses blowing up Terrorist with you know Suicide terrorist blowing out themselves in the middle of Tel Aviv and Jewish towns and Israeli towns And every single day that I went to school Today after a terror attack I used to get into school and I remember that before I went out of my house I remember that I used to beg my parents not to go to school that day And my parents I remember my dad every single day going to to work at six o'clock in the morning He used to like postpone his exit and take me to school And just before I was leaving the car he looked at me and he told me you will go out and you will face reality Because if you won't be able to face it now you won't be able to face it in the future And I used to go out and get in and I saw my best friends Screaming you know the day of a terror attack you are you're angry You want to avenge because you cannot understand the The evil in this act in this terrorist act And I used to see my best friends death to Arabs. We need to kill that. We need to murder them all And they used to look at me And they tell me Well, Lucy, we don't mean you Well, you know you and your family are okay, but the rest of the Muslims and the Arabs we need to kill them We need to murder them all And back then I used to say to myself wow You know You like when people used to tell me oh I wished that all the all the Arabs were like you or all the Muslims were like you I used to say to myself wow you wish that all the Muslims were like me Hmm We have two million Arabs living in Israel you wish that all of them were like me We have 350 million Muslims living in them middle east you wish that all of them were like me We have one and a half billion Muslims living in the world you wish that all of them were like me wow I am fucking amazing But when you look at this small sentence You realized how much racism there is in one small sentence Because try to imagine that somebody's coming to a Jewish man or a Jewish woman and telling them in the United States I wish that all the Jewish people were like you you know you're not trying to control the media you Yeah, we don't mean you, but you know you Jewish people are controlling you are controlling the media you're controlling But do something you know you and I and I started telling you that I In a lot of like stations in my life. I had somebody to preach out to me Because in school it was my the principle of the school Because at a certain point there were graffiti's on the wall Lucy filthy arab get out of here. We don't want Arabs in our school And my principle wish which is mayor coin he used to be the minister of welfare in Israel And mayor used to gather the entire class and tell them it won't happen The day that I will understand who is the person who are who's writing these things on the wall. He will be expanded And on the other side my neighbor the one that I told you that I had a cheer Every pesach his name was grandpa minachem Graham Pomenachem, I never knew my grandfather's, I always tell this story because this story is basically the story that build me, that made me understand the narrative of the Jewish people and the narrative of Arabs, Muslims, Israelis living in Israel. I never knew my grandfather's, they died before I was born, but my grandpa Pomenachem was our neighbor and he never missed a single birthday, he never missed a single event that I had in my life and my grandpa Pomenachem had a number on his hand and I remember asking my mom always what is this number and she told me we don't ask if he wants, he will tell us and one day in the Gulf War he came and he told us his story how he and his sister were the only survivors of tens of people that the Nazis sent to construction camps and it was my grandpa Pomenachem that when we got death threats in Dimona from the Qahana Party the extreme right Qahana Party telling us to leave Dimona my mom used to take these letters and take them to Pomenachem and he told her I remember him looking at her with his blue beautiful eyes, he was a beautiful man and he looked at her and he told her I didn't go through everything that I went through, I didn't raise up a family, I didn't get up from the dead so somebody will ever do anything to you in this land they will have to go through me to get to you so when my life, when my grandfather Pomenachem was protecting me and my family against extremist, against extreme ideas I feel that this is my heritage. I want to encapsulate a little what you said by the way I don't know if you know that my father also was a Holocaust Holocaust survivor and he had a very similar way to years of building bridges and my role is to prevent what happened to him like Pomenachem said from having again to any other human being with his Jewish or Muslim or anybody else but just what you just told the story that summarizes exactly what's going on extremist that deny the humanity of the other they're actually very smart they're trying to divide us and tear us apart and their goal of the terrorist they're actually why did their perpetuates so much atrocity in October 7 not just to kill but to dismember and disembowel and engage in sexual violence which I know you also marched against because they wanted to divide and inspire iron divide because if they divide then they prevent us from building together and you stood against it because of your father's example because what he taught you and because people reached out and the power of people reaching out particularly what others don't it's just so incredible how to some degree forged you I want to go back for a second to when you're being called dirty filthy Arab or loses a filthy Arab and you not only manage to become who you are to not to transcend but I I read that you didn't want that kid expelled that they offered you sorry Mexican do I get they offered you to expel that kid and you said no I don't want them to expel that kid and for me that is a very interesting story maybe you can explain to us what you think it was I did lose my own thoughts she was my best friend wow and for you best friend my best friend to everybody's complex yeah even you best friend can make a mistake definitely and I don't think that today I don't think that it came from races and I think that it came from maybe envy maybe her way she had difficult life too and I remember that I found I saw her doing it it was my mom always like throughout that period my mom always told me you know it's very strange that your friend is the one who is discovering all these graffiti and she's the one who's telling you come and see this graffiti somebody wrote something on the wall and I remember fighting with my mom and telling her no way she's my best best friend how dare you think this about my or think that about my my best friend but you know your mom sent something and it's here and I remember a few days after we had a test in class and she finished the test and she begged to go out to the bathroom and when she was about to leave I saw because I was a you know investigative reporter back then even then I saw her going out like a thick pen a thick market marker and she went out I finished the exam right after her and I asked my my teacher for permission to to go out he thought that we're going like I'm going after her because we were best friends and I remember going out of the class and walking down the hall and there was one step like at the end of the hall going into the bathroom and I like went in and I just silently sneaked into the bathroom and I saw her like riding Lucy filthy and I looked at her she looked at me I didn't say anything I went back to class and I didn't say anything for weeks I just stopped talking to her I stopped speaking with her and nobody understood how come these two that were conceptual they are like not friends anymore and a few weeks after the vice principal came and told me Lucy I have some good news and I have some bad news and he told me we discovered who is the person who's riding these things on the walls and he told me this is the good news I told him and the bad news is that you you know that it's my best friend and he took me two males through and male told me what do you want me to do with her just say if you want me to kick her out if you want me to take her out of school just say it and I told him no I don't want you to kick her out of school I want her every day to get into school and to see my face and the face what she did for me that story not only says a lot about you but also about the way things need to be done because I was literally having a conversation yesterday with somebody and we do a lot of work with builders for schools and one of the things that I've learned is that we've removed agency from people and drank to prevent bullying we expelled the kids rather than make them face each other and solve problems together and then they show up in college and a lot of the college program sells these young people do not know how to solve problems because they've been helicopter parenting and helicopter and administrations that just take all these decisions away from us and you had the agency and forced agency on your friend to deal with that stuff I also read ones about how you described your journey as not being a victim which is I think it's just so important this framework of victim versus oppressors just this to press framework in society because then if you're a victim you have no agency you have no protagonist and if you're an oppressor no matter what you do you're going to be and for me the framework that makes sense is builders versus discharge because you have agents you can choose to wake up in the morning and deny the human new brothers and divide demolition in the finish or to wake up in the morning and try to build together elevate society and unite and work to make this a better world and tell us a little bit about how that came to you was a natural or it was you know after I went through the terror attack I hated Palestinians as a five and a half years old I remember the screaming of my father right after the car exploded I remember the screaming of my father telling people looking at people around us and telling people please help us where Arabs like you and nobody reached out and for a period of time I asked myself how come they're killing people who speak there what did we do to them so I hated them I hated them and I said to my and I said it out loud as a kid we need to kill the Palestinians we need to murder them all and my extended family came at a certain point and said to my father you know your daughter hates herself she hates who we are she's developing some safe self hatred like the extended family She's like developing some self-hatred, like, you know, and my father, my very smart father, said to them, when she will grow up, she will understand that life is a little bit more complicated than she thinks. And today before I went to the first grade, my mom set me down for a conversation. And she told me, you know, the day before you're going to the first grade, the only thing that you think is, okay, I'm going today, it's tomorrow for school, the first time that I'm going to school. And my mom looked at me and she told me, Lucy, no matter what people tell you, no matter how much people will curse you, no matter how much you will be bullied or beaten up your Israeli, your Muslim, and you are proud of it. Now, this is a huge conversation for five and a half years old. It's like the only thing that you say to yourself, okay, okay, what am I going to wear tomorrow? It's like what is this Israeli and Muslim and proud? And like I told you, when your mom said something, it stays with you. So the next day when I went to school, I stood up and the teacher asked like, everybody, what's your name, what's your name? I wasn't in school, yes, I'm Lucy, I'm Arab, I'm Muslim, I'm Israeli and I'm proud. And I remember the teacher looking at me with this like look, she's, okay, I know who's going to make some trouble this year. But that sentence went with me for not apologizing of who I am. I'm Israeli, I'm Muslim, I'm Arab and I'm proud of it. I'm not apologizing for any of my identities. Yes, it's complex. Yes, I have a lot of criticism about what is becoming from the Israeli society, what is happening in the Israeli society about racism in the Israeli society? I have a lot of criticism about the Palestinian leadership. I have a lot of criticism about terror organization using their own people basically to their own benefits because what Yehiyah Sinwar did is basically using the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip for his own theological, you know, extreme jihadist ideas, not even looking at the people of the Gaza Strip because when you commit such huge atrocities, when you come with this evil and you commit these crimes, you know that the reaction is going to be fatal. You know that the other side is not going to sit down and tell you, let's have a coffee. You know, you just murdered 1,200 of our people, you burned them to death, you raped them, let's have a conversation. He was evil, but he was very, he was exactly what he's doing. And his goal was this absolutist. He didn't want to point peace between Israel and Palestinians. He didn't want to build a Palestinian state in peace or not peace between Israel. He was had this ideological belief of women to deny Israel. You know, Daniel, the thing that drove me crazy, it was, I think, one month after the massacre, after October 7. I saw an interview of Musa Abumarizuk, the spokesman of Hamas, sitting in RT in front of the interviewer. And the interviewer is asking him, why the tunnels are not a place that the people of Gaza can hide it? Why you're not hiding the people of Gaza from the Israeli air strikes in the tunnels? And he said there, so, you know, full of himself, saying, the tunnels are not intended for the people of Gaza. They are for the fighters of Hamas. The people of Gaza are under of the responsibility of the UN. This is the spokesman of the Hamas organization that people right now in the United States march down the streets and say, they are freedom fighters. They sacrifice their own people. Saying it out loud, they said it with their own words. We are sacrificing our people. And for what? So that you will be able to sit down in fancy hotels, in Abu Dhabi, in Dubai, in Qatar, in whatever you are, taking away your own family, saving them while the people of Gaza are actually paying for the consequences of your own actions that you brought on the heads of the people of the Gaza Strip? - Can I ask you to explain, because for our audience, it might be a little bit lost in understanding how, I'm sorry to ask this very important question. You're very proud of your Israeli identity and of being a Muslim Arab woman, and you condemn Islamism. And not everybody might understand the difference between how you see your faith and how others on the extremists are just like they exist in all areas extremists take into this absolutist vision of Islamism. Could you just explain that a little bit more for the audience? - You know, I think that in every religion, you have secularists and you have religious people. I always give the example that my mom was always, like the extended family always came to my mom and had a criticism about her because she's not wearing a hijab. And my mom has a deep faith in God, but a deeper faith in good. And she used to see what people are doing in the name of religion. She used to see how people are praying five times a day and basically being disgusting to one another. - Rechampus and the Jewish tradition too. - In every religion. - When I'm sorry to introduce this important, but this is really important. When I was mourning my father, and I couldn't really relate to prayer that much of my rabbi asked me to read "Pirkeavot," which is like the precepts of our fathers. And what was interesting and I read just really, I did a podcast on "Pirkeavot" that I was asked to comment. And I re-read it and the rabbis themselves tell you, do not just pray, do not do all about prayer because then you're not a human. You need to work and you need to meet people and what matters. The most in religion is this is what your mom taught you about the good rather than about just the word of the Bible because a lot of people become very self-righteous and get lost in the ultimate essence of what it should be. You know, my mom used to say, I'm not hiding anything. God sees every single thing that I'm doing. What I see is that people sometimes when they are putting a hijab, they're trying to hide their bad actions and they think that the hijab is, you know, a barrier between them and the eyes of God. - I'm a very good joke, but I'm gonna tell it to you to remember that I have to remember till it you later. - You know, I think that religion is a beautiful thing. I think that in Islam and Judaism and Christianity, there are beautiful human things. But what human beings are doing and giving some, you know, putting their ideas, their extreme ideas or the way that they think and taking it and giving it another perspective, it's, this is what brought that extreme Islam will rise and not only it's rising, it's also, I think when you, it's flourishing the lack of education. When you are not, this is why extremists don't want their people to be educated because when you are educated, you are asking questions. You are putting question marks. You are challenging yourself. You are not taking things for granted and extremist, you know, I see this like throughout history, what extremists did was basically using the morals of democracy to destroy democracy. This is what extremists are doing. This is basically what is happening also in Israel. Extremist ideas are using the Israeli democracy to try and demolish it. You know, I am, like I told you, I am a very, very, very proud Israeli, but it doesn't mean that I'm not criticizing my current government. - The opposite, it means that you have the courage to say whatever you feel that you need to say. - And it doesn't mean that I agree with my government is doing. With the actions of this extreme government, and I say it out loud, this is we have the most extreme government that Israel ever knew, and racist government that Israel ever knew. I'm saying it out loud, is Israel a racist country? No. But I want to actually have so many more questions I want to ask you, but I want to pivot a little bit to your journey and your career with that story because the way you and I met, if memory serves me right, maybe we had met before, but what I remember is that you were, I think on channel 11 or 11, and you had the courage to speak up, and within three days you got fired. I was fired. I didn't speak up. I went for a demonstration, and I anchored a demonstration that was throughout the COVID when we weren't able to go out, and I actually anchored a demonstration that was filmed in a studio. It was the first online demonstration, and I spoke in this demonstration, and because I, and the demonstration title was "Fighting for Democracy, Fighting for Our Home." I remember two minutes before I went to the demonstration, my agent called me, and she told me, "Lucy, come on, until we found you job, why are you going to like a demonstration, why are you going to speak?" And I thought, "You know what? Just because you told me now the sentence that you have like a question mark on the sentence because you're saying that if I will go right now to this demonstration, I might lose this job. You're basically kicking me out of my house to go to this demonstration." It's not a fire that you have inside you to always search, to have the courage and the backbone. It's easier said than done to have that. Where did that come from besides your parents and your journey, like, why did you decide to become a journalist? Why did you decide to search for them? I wanted to be an actress. I really wanted to be an actress. Well, you were in one movie, but people get to that in a minute. I was sitting in a girl with a job number 100 if you were looking, that was my title. I don't think that Brad Pitt even know that I wasn't in his movie. But I wanted to be an actress and I graduated in a theater class and my teacher wanted me to go to theater school, to acting school and I came to my dad and I told him, "Dad, I want to go and study acting in acting school," and he told me, "You go and you study something that you can earn money from." And then you do anything that you want with your hobbies or whatever and the stuff that you're doing. And I did. I went and studied political science and at the beginning I studied political science and studies of the theater, which is the history of theater. And when people ask me, "Wow, what a weird combination," I said, "Of course, in order to be a good politician, you need to be a good actor." This is what we're seeing right now. And then I studied two more years of journalism. I understood when did you first feel that you might have going that journey as a journalist? When I watched a show on Israeli Channel 2, Hama Galshel Dancilon, the Circle of Dancilon, he used to interview a lot of people in one circle, like very interesting figures in Israeli society. It used to be politicians and, you know, people, actors, singers, whatever. And some people that have interesting story. And I said to myself, I said, "I have an interesting story to tell him. I need to sit down in this circle." And one day I will. You weren't interviewed. Yeah. You weren't to be the subject. To be the subject, because I knew that I have a story to tell, and this story needs to go out. But how did that pivot to your own relationship with it? I fell in love with it. Did you start it as a journalist? Yeah. I studied journalism in journalism school in Tel Aviv. And then I did my six months internship in Germany. It was during the Second Lebanon War. And I came back, studied German. I did my internship in the Deutsche Welle, a radio and a TV. And for a few days also in CDF. And I came back and I started immediately working in Yadiyotachonot. And after a few weeks, there were some, like, screen tests of news presenters in Channel 10. How old were you then? 27. And I remember entering the room. Many were blonde there with blue eyes and I said, no, no chance that they will take me. And a few days after, I was called by the CEO and he asked me for a meeting. I remember getting there and I said with the CEO. And the owner of Channel 10 back then was Ron Laudel. And I was talking with the CEO and Ron came. And he asked me, I heard that you're, like, I see your CV, you don't have any CV. But what's the story? I heard your Arab. I heard that your Arab, your Muslim, when I told him, that's the story. It's like, you know, and Ron Laudel just came and he told him, oh, Ron meat, she's our new news presenter on Channel 10. She's the CEO to Ron Laudel. She had chosen that already. He just basically told me that I got the job by saying it to Ron Laudel. He told him, meat, this is Lucia Harish. She is Arab, she is Muslim and she's our new news presenter in Channel 10. And I was like, oh, so I got the job. But what I want to understand is who had, was that who had the guts to, because it was a historic moment with the, am I right, you were the first Muslim Arab woman to go, presenting news in Arab and Hebrew on the biggest channels. Who had the vision that that would be, it was a risk for them who did it. I think the one that recommended me was, he was the Arab affair and list in Channel 10. He used to be my, he was my professor. He gave me like two classes in journalism school. And he said, you jump in and everybody was like, oh my God, you were very beautiful. What does it take to be a superstar in media, was it being able to listen, was it being able to think concretely, that was your ability to think complexly because of all of your multiple identities, physical beauty, was it the ability to talk to the camera for your journey? What do you think are the secrets to becoming good at your job? I cannot say that I am, it was easy, my like, my journey was easy in journalism. It's like my best friend here is behind the camera, she is the biggest witness. I never had the path where I can say that, wow, it was like on the rise all the time, you know, I was there, it's step forward, step forward, step forward, step forward. Step forward, 20 back, I think that only in the last three years, I can say that I'm settled. And I don't know. You can see it. Three years in three. You'll probably see. But what makes you good at your job? The ability to put myself in somebody else's shoes. Empathy and emotional intelligence. Yeah. And I think to listen. Because we were talking before we started such a harder skill than I realized when I started doing this, I've learned so much and I respect people like you because holy shit, you know, it's a much more complex. First of all knowledge, knowledge, knowledge, knowledge, knowledge. I always learn, study, analyze, listen, so sacranute, being curious is important. Yes. And being interested in the person that you're interviewing. Not to just come and actually just listen and to say, you know, you have your questions and you know what you want to ask, but actually listen. This is something that usually, Israeli anchors don't have the ability to listen. In one way, we unfortunately, we became the story when a journalist should not be the story. This is why I like my friend here always, she's, I drive her crazy because I let people finish their sentence, but you have become and usually in Israel, on Israeli TV, nobody finishes a sentence. They start with an idea that tells you, well, first, first things first and it ends with the first, not the thing, not the first, not the nothing, it just, he doesn't even get to finish the first idea. And for me, if I'm sitting at home, I'm always thinking about the viewer. I always think about just a second, he said first thing first. So what is the last thing that he, because the viewer just listened to what he said, not to what I said. Sometimes yes, we become the story. We become the story because it's Israel, it's a little bit different. You know, it's a little bit about what's going on, because it's fascinating what's happened in the last few months. I mean, bye. - By the way, I wanna actually, we'll get there in a second. I wanna just say something really fun. When we met, were you already with Sahira or that came up? - I was already with Sahira. - And so Sahira is a very famous television star. He's on the series Fowda, and in the series Fowda-- - The first two seasons. - Okay. - Only the first two seasons. - Which are the good ones, but honestly, but I mean it's all good, but the first two seasons are insane. But Sahi is in the Shabak, and on TV. And I don't think Americans can appreciate how the hell this happened, that on October 7th, he was actually a real hero. Like it's crazy insane. Like for somebody living in Mexico, we do not relate or understand to how somebody that plays a movie star that is-- - You're an undercover-- - He ended up saving many lives, and you ended up helping also direct people to where they were. Can you please tell us that story? - Wow, this is, you know, you never, in your life, think that you will be in this position. You never in your life think that the lives of people will be in your hand. That morning, at two o'clock, after we understood the magnitude, we understood we started getting the images-- - Two o'clock. - Two o'clock in the afternoon. - It started at 6 a.m. - And you haven't captured what's going on, too? - No, we-- I started like capturing Sahi immediately, 40 minutes after was on his uniform and went to the South. - Explain what that means. Because most people might not understand what that means. It means that we woke up at 6.30 in the morning, nobody understood what is happening. Nobody, not even on the news. Like, we opened our WhatsApp group. I said to Taki, there is an alarm. Like, there is a sirens. Do you hear, say, no, no way. So there are sirens. I opened my phone, and everybody on the WhatsApp group of Channel 13 were asking, what is happening? What is happening? What is happening? I hear booms, I hear booms, I hear missiles. There are missiles above my head, like all over Israel. - On October 7th. - On October 7th. - The terrorists had breached through in the South. - Exactly. - And slightly in the center. No, you're trying to fear what happened. - And even when we-- I opened the TV, and there was like the special edition. And even the reporters, the military reporters, were not able to analyze or to explain what is happening. Nobody understood what is happening. After, I think, the first images of the vehicles getting to stir up the Toyota vehicles, getting to stir up with Hamas militants, it was the minute that all of us understood that something big is happening, that they were freely driving in stir up, looking for-- - To enter houses. - To enter the South, that's a significant challenge. - Yeah. - A significant and near Gaza, near Bergevani, near the next big town in the south of Israel. And that was the moment that we understood that something was wrong. I think it took Sakhri when to his WhatsApp group of his military friends, you know, and the military units. I between one siren to another, because there were a lot of sirens that morning. I remember that I was sitting-- Adam was two and a half years old. - Your baby. - Yeah. And I remember I was sitting in the balcony trying to understand watching the horrible images pouring in in the WhatsApp group, coming from the Kibbutzim. And I looked up and I saw Sakhri with his military uniform. And I looked at him and I told him, what the fuck, what the fuck, where the fuck do you think you're going? - And so in Israel, he's a movie star, but he's also serving in the reserves. - Yeah. - So people, because the small country and under threat from a lot of its enemies, he put on the uniform to try to help go help the people in the south. - And I never ever asked Sakhri when he went to the reserves. I never asked Sakhri where you're going and I never was worried. - Till now. - When he went out, he told me, I love you. Please close the door. Don't open to anyone. And I told him, take care of yourself. And when I kissed him, I didn't know if he's going to come back. I knew that maybe it's the last time that I'm going to see him. Because we understood that this is not a drill. I remember I closed the door and because I started understanding that they are starting to kidnap people and to enter people's houses, the terrorists, I started looking up for a place to hide Adam. And I remember literally opening the washing machine to see if I'm able to put Adam in it. I don't think that people realize what happened that day. You know, I don't think that people when I, I'm so ashamed hearing women organization, international organizations denying what happened on October 7th, denying what happened to women on October 7th. I cannot understand how so such a, you know, the images were recorded by Hamas militants themselves. They recorded themselves killing people, murdering people. They recorded themselves doing the atrocities that they did. And yet you see people in Europe and in the United States and in our countries denying this. And you say to yourself, how fucked up you need to be the supported terrorist organization? How fucked up you need to be, I'm sorry for my language, but how fucked up you need to be to praise Osama bin Laden after October 7th? How fucked up you need to be, to be so ignorant, to see entire families? And that you're helping the extremists hurt everybody, not just the Israelis but the Pasian school. We've been for 30 years as you're not trying to help build bridges and build opportunities. And as long as those terrorists and your power, you cannot bring investments into Gaza. You cannot build jobs or factories. You need to defeat extremists on all sides in order to elevate. And you know, I mean that a lot of people don't understand how they're actually hurting those people, they pretend to be helped. You know how I got the message from the family in Farazah? I got a message from my friend in New York. She texted me. She told me, Lucy, a guy will send you a message. His family, there are 12 people in the safe room. When terrorists are outside their house, they're trying to reach out to police to the IDF, to nobody is coming and there are tens of terrorists surrounding their house. Lucy, you need to help him. And what did you do? I look at the text and I, you never think that you, that somebody will put you in this situation in your life. And I remember the guy texted me and I started sending like the direction to their house to Ya'ir Ghoulan because I heard in the morning that Ya'ir Ghoulan helped directing like some forces and he was able to reach to some people. So I sent a text. - Ghoulan is the head of the. - The head of the. - The head of the. - The general who currently is running for. - The Democrat party. - Yeah. And I sent him the location and he didn't answer me. And I sent one of my other friends and he told me, Lucy, I'm in this big event in another keyboard, I cannot help you. And I sent it to another one. And only the fourth text message was to Tsachhi. And I told him Tsachhi, look at this. Try to help them. And he told me my team is going to the south, I'm sending them the location. And I was texting the people in the safe room. - If you're asking him to risk his life, even if you have your two and a half year old. - Yeah. - And you. - And I told him. And he told me, okay, we're on it. And he started directing his team towards the house and the guy that was in the head of the team, one of Tsachhi's best friends, that he's like my brother. He texted me at five o'clock and he told me, Lucy, I cannot reach them. I'm not getting there. I'm not able to get to them. And I told him, okay, just do everything in your power to just take care of yourself, please. And I remember that at one point at 630, I think, I texted the guy that I got the number from New York, that I got his number from New York. And I told him, they're not answering me. And he told me they're not answering me either. don't know what happened to them. And I was sure that we failed. At 8 o'clock, I think twenty to eight. Yeah. Start at six a.m. in the morning. Yeah. Taki texted me and he told me he is there. And I texted his friend ahead of the team. And I told him, are you there? And he wrote positive. The kids are in my hand. The kids are with me. And I remember I like threw the phone out of my hands and I just fell down and I started crying my my heart out. I and my kid came to me and he told me, mom, don't be don't be sad. It's okay. You know, you don't need to be sad. Everything will be okay. And my sister told him, mommy is okay, mommy just helped save some lives. You and daddy and you and you know the guy Taki's friend when he entered the safe room and he did the first thing that he told them was, how do you know Lucian Rish? And they looked at him and he thought, what are you talking about? And nobody understood the connection. It's like nobody understood how this you have to make a movie or this shit. That's crazy. I'm Brad Pitt needs to ask. Who would play you? It was I always say that this is my my my my I always say that this is like my my personal post trauma because since that day the only scenario that is going through my mind is what would have happened if he would have entered the room and they were dead. Or if they killed him. Many people were killed trying to rescue people including friends of mine including highly decorated Israeli Jewish and Muslim. By the way, he was injured 24 hours later. Taki's friend. Taki's friend. Is he okay? He's okay. You know, by the way, because of the location that he got that he like that he got for me, he was able to save ten more families and for us. He your friend or Taki or together? Taki's friend. I want to ask you one last question before we pivot to something else. At the beginning of our conversation, you know, when I was growing up as a Mexican Jew, my father made sure that I knew that it's a manly to get emotional, that he didn't want me to run away from my emotions. And you can tell by the very good job. At the beginning of our conversation, I saw a couple times you hold back when you were about to get emotional at the end, you were unable to. But did you, that in your culture, you as a woman, felt the need to be strong and not show your tears because then others might see you. Oh no, no, I always cry. You do? I always cry. I'm a Mexican Jew. I'm a Mexican Jew. I'm a total Mexican Jew. I'm always crying. Always all the time. Totally. It's like in front of the public. In front of the public. See, they're calling me the crying baby of Israeli media, because I cannot hold myself. I spent, I think that the last three years, there was not even one interview that I did with the families of the hostages that I did it right down in tears in front of the camera. And today, I think that all my tears are going through some kind of a transformation to, to, like I said, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm the frustration. Yeah. I just want to tell you, as we wrap up this segment and go to another segment, I want to tell you that all of us that consider ourselves builders are frustrated with increasing polarization. The tool I use and I encourage everybody to use when you're facing that is, like, look at who our tribe is, our tribal builders, whether Jew, Muslim, Israeli, Palestinian, the builders, their building, Ghashirem, bridges, schools, technologies. We have an incredible group. And ultimately, we will prevail. The danger along the way is that people that have extreme passions, they wake up in the morning, I think, how can I advance my cause? And most moderates wake up in the morning thing, what can I have for breakfast? Why do you think, why do you think that I was attacked in the last few months? Because they're threatened by you. Yes. They threatened by you. What you, I absolutely noticed, like the groups that are the extremists are threatened by your vision to build bridges. And that's why you need to be even stronger. To call me a traitor, a nukhba terrorist. And this is your talking about somebody from the far right on these religious lives. You get attacked by all Israelis are evil and by the Israeli right that the Israeli Prime Minister used at his first video campaign, used the same video that the extreme right in Israel that came to attack me at my own, at my doorstep. How did that come out here? Benjamin Ataniyahu used this video in his first video campaign. And when I saw Benjamin Ataniyahu using this video, of the insha'Allah, the word that I said, if God will, email Tashem. They took out like 20 seconds, seconds from a three minute video that I was talking about the violence in the Arab society. And they took out, and I was talking about the fact that it is not being taken care of in the Israeli society that basically the Arabs were, will change and insha'Allah will go the next elections to change their future by going out on buses devote. I took basically the sentence of Benjamin Ataniyahu saying it in the elections of 2015. So he used this at his first right now, a month ago, at his first video campaign to incite against maybe a common that the Arabs will take part in the next government. He used me. When I saw Benjamin Ataniyahu using this word, using this sentence, using this clip, I understood that he is afraid, that they are afraid of the ideas that I put on the table. They are afraid that I am saying to Israeli Arabs, go out and vote. But it is almost like when your colleague told you, don't do this, it gives you more power to go and build and to do and to have the strength. Tell us what happened as a result. Like you? Wow, I think that first of all, it was an entire month, almost three weeks, that every single day I had demonstrations next to the building where I was living, where I'm living. Every single day in my neighborhood, like people gathered and called me filthy Arab, terrorist, whore, sharamuta, whatever you want. Lucy, the terrorist, Lucy, the whore, Lucy, like going back to the Mona days. Yes, going back to the Mona days, every single day. Until one day, they took it one step further and they came 17 men, stood in front of my doorstep. They went up, I'd live in the 16th floor. They went up and they stood in front of my doorstep and they were asking me screaming outside the door, get out. We want to speak with you in the name of Adafat. We want to speak with you in the name of Rabin. Two people have died or been killed. So there's the same story of incitement that got Rabin killed. Rabin was a prime minister in Israel and there was a lot of incitement in the months ahead of him. Until he was murdered. And basically I had to hold Tachhi not to go out to them, not to open the door and basically face them. And you know, it is hard. He is, he's the, he's the, you know, the man he's supposed to protect his family. And he felt that his family isn't under attack. Yeah. His baby was like my son told me that not mom, why people are screaming outside our, outside our apartment. What, what are they saying? It's trespass, right? Like, let's legal what they are. If you think that they are, if you think that they are in jail, you're wrong. You're wrong. They're not. That's what you were talking about, like how currently in the Israeli government, there's forget about the dangers with the gun inside of you. guests, the honor guests of our National Security Minister, Itamar Bangvil, they come to his office, they come to the Judicial Minister to Yarev Levine's office. They welcome them with hugging them and accepting them to the Knesset, to the minister's offices. These, you know, and so you took did you and I sue one of them for two and a half million shakles. And right now, I sue every single one that calls me terrorist online. He writes that I'm a terrorist, Lucy the terrorist, he gets a letter from my lawyer asking them to pay because it's a lie. If they're not paying, I'm taking them to court. Today I put two more lawsuits, one for three hundred and fifty thousand shakles and one for two hundred and fifty thousand. How do you finance this? I, I finance it with Hamal Diba, which is there is an organization that it's an Israeli organization that the head of the organization is Hadas Klein. She was one of, she gave testimony against Benjamin Netanyahu and she was under attack by again, these extremists. So she raised money to, to have organization that will fight people that are basically bullying her and, you know, calling her names and, dashing her on social media. So she's helping me and I'm paying like half and they're paying half and at the end of the process. Hopefully you'll win. Listen, I feel that I'm going to be very unjust to you because this has been, it's clear how much of a courageous soldier you've been, how much you're doing for humanity. But I need to pivot to make you suffer more. Okay. And you guys don't know what this is because the first time you see it. So we call this the Mexican Inquisition. Okay. The Mexican Inquisition is a game when I ask you very tough questions and you need to choose between them. But we're into this weird Mexican game called Tokas where I started the bottom thing and I turn it on and you hold it like this. But I increase the dial depending on whether I like your answers or not. And you start feeling the shock and at some point you can't get rid of them. Okay. Are you willing to try? I'm going to ask you three questions. First question is you have to choose an unsung hero who got you to this point. And you have to choose between your high school principal mayor, Coyne and your professional journalism teacher has Kelly and tell us why. Otherwise you're getting out of there. Coyne. Coyne, of course. Until today, you know, he's, he will always be my principal. And why? Because he saw me as part of his school. This was a great answer. You don't merit shocks. But I'm going to give him to you anyway. So you can feel what it feels like. Do you feel it? You feel a little tingling? You'll get worse. Okay. If you could choose dinner with somebody you'll find more interesting. Would it be Cristiana Mampore or Tony Duocopil? I know there's a lot of people who will be angry with Cristiana Mampore. Really tell me more. Some people are saying that Cristiana is very, very, very, you know, have a lot of criticism against Israel and against the actions of Israel. But I think that I was interviewed by Cristiana Mampore. And I think that because of our background that is a little bit similar. I think that we can definitely getting shocked by you because I'm a big Tony Duocopil fan. I don't have, I have compulsions. Okay. Now you're at one and a half. You feel it? In Mexico, people pay to get this star. They pay a few pesos. You're going to pay with your suffering. Cristiana Mampore, see what you did. If you could invite a historical figure for lunch, choose between Muhammad Ali and Nelson Mandela. Wow. Muhammad Ali. Wow. You know, he was on my board. Really? And he's with the Lonely and Arna super close allies. We work really, really close in the builder's moment. So I, I'll spare you on this one. Tell us on that event that broke you, but made you then stronger and built into who you are. Either when you were fired and after you spoke up on channel 11 or when you lit the torch and there was a backlash on Independence Day. When I was fired, you know, I met you after. We didn't get to talk about Democratic TV. Yeah, I met you because of that. Yeah. And Lucy built with Yaya think an incredible thing called Democratic TV. And I wanted to talk about the future of media, but we run a time. I have to do. Do you want just for fun? Tell us quickly about Democratic TV. Put it here. Alternative. Democratic TV is, first of all, the reason that we met. And it was the biggest crown-funded independent media. Very innovative. You and Yaya came up with a bunch of really interesting things. You spoke to Rob group, the community chose who you would combat gas, chose questions. It was very innovative. It chose questions. It chose the subjects that we, that we would discuss in every show, they would, they were a lot of critiques also from the viewers because I was too rightist to the viewers. The audience was more to the left. Yeah, the audience was more center left. And a lot of the criticism was about me sometimes that I'm losing my center and I'm a little bit rightist to, but I was challenging. It's again, it was to challenge the discourse because the thing was to be able to come to work and to broadcast and to speak without the fear that you will be fired the next day. Let me ask you a question. If today you wanted to have the maximum impact there tomorrow, the next five, ten years, is it still going to be, you can't compete with channel 12s and 13s because they have the reach or eventually is an online engaging interactive platform going to break that. I think that it's the combination of both. I don't think that TV is going to die anytime soon. And more than that, I will tell you. If, you know, I always say it as a critique to the center left politicians in Israel. Although Benjamin Netanyahu is attacking the traditional media non-stop, he never gave up on it because he understands how important and how efficient and how relevant it will always be and how effective it is on trying to pass the ideas that you want to pass. This is why he has like some media's, I won't say his, but, you know, supporting him in Israeli media. He never gave up on traditional media. Yes, of course, today you have the social media, you have to talk, you have Instagram, you have Facebook or whatever. But the traditional media needs to, you know, it will go through transformation, it will change, but it will never disappear because I don't think that you can change actors with AI actors. You can change Brad Pitt and you can change, you know, Robert De Niro. You need the feelings and the talent of Robert De Niro. Okay, I know your romanticized, democratic thinking you might be spared from Mexican in position, but could put those back on. We're going to shock you again and bring you back from zero to one and a half. You feel it? Yeah. All right, three last questions. What shaped you more into who you are growing up at the only Arab Muslim girl in a school in Dimona or raising an interfaith family? Wow. I think growing up as we'll keep it, we'll accept it. What job shaped you the most? Your internship in Germany, which was the first job you had or your channel 10 experience? My channel 10 experience. One last question. This is one that really fascinates me. What drives you the most? A sense of justice? Are search for truth or a search for excellence? Sense of justice and my son Adam? Yeah, I'm turning that off. That was a great answer. Did you feel it? You only get to go out. It's fun. It actually wakes you. It wakes you. Okay, one last segment. Rapid fire, build or break. If you think it's something that should happen, it's build, otherwise break. Ready? Yeah. Losing on the masked singer. Because you lost to your husband, right? The massinger is the show where we were in masks. And you sang? I sang. And you're a good singer? Good singer. I'm not. And never want me singing. But that sounds fun. I have to watch the episode. Build a break. Angering both extremes. It tells you you're doing something interesting. Build a break and interfaith marriage. Build a break. Choosing a career that involves personal risks. Build. Of course. Not for everybody, though. Not for everybody. Not for everybody. Also, interfaith marriage is not for everybody. You know, I'm not the poster girl of interfaith marriage. Build a break. Citizen journalism. Explain it to me a little bit. Citizen journalism, when people are posting stuff and not going through prevention and break, break, break, break, definitely break. It's interesting because there's something so liberating about everybody going to open you. But there's no curation. It gets really tricky. It's break because I think I know that we can lose because we're losing the truth. We have the ability with this, like to even have a discussion or to have an argument or to argue about the fact that if this is black, this is black. This is the fact. It's black. And with everything that is happening, people are actually, no, no, this is not black. The complex point about it is that in some media, people have like drank the Kool-Aid and a lot of people are frustrated that they don't trust media and that's why it's complex. Because you can't trust anything nowadays except Lucie Harish. Build a break becoming the subject of a new story. Building me the subject of break, I will give it up. Build a break starring in a movie with Brad Pitt. If I was only, like, if I had a frame in the movies, it was definitely bad. How did that come about? Do it in what World War Z or something? I was in World War Z. Like I told you, the credit is Lucie Harish, Palestinian girl with her job number 100, I was like, you know, it's an amazing thing to be in Hollywood production because you are coming as, you know, not an actress. How did it come about? It's, it's, it's, it's, I don't know, it's just, it was filmed in Malta and and how did it come about? Tell us a fucking secret. How did I get the, like, oh, nothing, I did an audition. I went and sang in the audition, Havana Gila, I think it was, yeah, yeah, I swear to God. Here? Yeah, in Israel. Why are we getting there during all because they needed it? Because there was, there was the scene that actually happened in Jerusalem and the Israeli military was able to fight the zombies or whatever. I don't know. And I went to the audition and, and actually sang Havana Gila and Shalom, Alain Oval, Kola Ulam. These are like very Jewish songs. Very Jewish songs. And I ended up. Not like my old girl, drop the mic, you're amazing. Lucie, this was incredible. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you. Thank you, Daniel. We want you to become a builder with us. So subscribe to Builder Break Now and leave us a comment through our review. 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