141: Lower 48 with Dan Mintz | Soder Podcast | EP 138

july 16th through the 18th i'm going to be at new york comedy club in stamford and then montreal just for laughs i'm going to be there july 25th at club soda doing an hour so it's going to be you know mostly the netflix hour if you didn't hear it i didn't go to montreal on the tour plus some new jokes but then after that it's all me working on new stuff so i will see you in albany july 31st and first at the albany funny bone just go to dance order.com what am i doing just go to dance order.com after albany go to dance order.com it's all there we all put it up but i'm on the road working on a new hour so come check it out i hope you like it there's going to be some real humbingers on there it's going to be some real shitty ones too so just come see it come watch it get birthed watch me push them out on the road but thank you for watching the podcast i think in the history when they do the the ken burns documentary um of podcasting and they zoom into the you know where it's like in the tooth in the early 2000s yeah establishing it'll one of the things that they'll talk to us about like the civil war vets will be like yeah the regret yeah there's just like a slow a slow song playing being like did you you're like i regretted everything i said but you're um i'm excited to see the special the what the special oh yeah yeah well-rounded entertainer i love an idea of an animated special yeah thanks i think it turned out i don't know if pam sent you the link but no they didn't but i'm excited to watch it yeah and i will watch it because it comes out today uh we had to push the release well you know what this isn't coming out for a while yeah it's out yeah yeah we just start recording yeah okay cool um i'm here with dan mince i i i'm doing a better job of introducing people because i just jump into a conversation and then the listeners go like hey who the fuck are you talking to i was wondering yeah but i'm not good at proper intros because then it feels like a school project when you go i am dan and this is but um i'm excited to get you on the show i've been a fan of yours for years your stand-up back in the day like uh mid-2000s the group that you would run with were like you mulaney jessel there was like so many awesome comedians and i was like at the creek in the cave coming up or whatever but you guys were like my favorite some of my favorites to watch because of how good i mean you've worked on some fucking awesome shows you're the voice of tina belcher you've had a hell of a career so it's fun now you like that you're like kind of going back out on your own and being like hey i'm gonna do my because your last stand-up was mid-2000s right uh i released an album and it was in 2014 2014 so it's a great album oh thank you by the way go check it out you can go download it it's just an album there is like a special along with it it's on spotify yeah it's fucking hilarious thank you thank you you're a fantastic joke writer and that's what i think like is uh missing especially now in 2026 it's just like one of those albums that's just hardcore jokes and not like a thing you know i mean i'm glad when the style turns away from what i do because then you'd less worry about new competition yeah absolutely when did you feel like that happened like when the style turned away from just straight up set up punch you know i'm so out of the loop sure it was almost like other people what they would say to me they would say oh it's so rare that someone does one-liners which i don't think people used to say no and i realized that's kind of how i realized um but yeah it just i mean it takes so long to write there's a reason why it's like 10 years to release my album and then 10 years to do a special well one-liners aren't like um i'm more of a kind of like a story story or personal comic and i think that's easier because really you're just like taking what happened and making it funny versus like constructing a one-line joke is people don't understand it's like meticulous it's like a ship in a bottle yeah i mean there's a lot of just waiting until you think of an idea and then you have and then you're like oh now i now i have nothing until my next one and you know with with like stories and narratives you can build off of what you wrote for sure i will say i think everything seemed everything seems easy if you know how to do it and hard if you don't and like yeah i've tried telling stories on stories and i've tried telling stories on stories and i've tried telling stories on stories before and i just realized i tell stories like a regular person really like not like a comedian and that happens yeah i was like where you know regular person's funny story is the funny things at the end and it's all build up and like no one wants to sit through your five minute build up so i'm like and i'm like you know because when i started doing doing long you know headlining sets i wanted to fill the time sure but i just it's just a skill like i have to start over and learn how to do that and i just how fucking hard is it to do six of one liners that seems like it's got to be like you have to like you know i think all of us have note cards or some sort of way to know what our set is but i feel like on a one-liner comic you would have to have like 40 or 50 bullet points yeah i mean i have uh it is hard to to remember if i really if i'm if i'm doing the same set for a while i'll remember but whenever i'm changing stuff it's like it's not worth yeah trying to remember all this so i'll have my album my note cards and i'll remember all of them and i'll remember all of them and i'll remember all of them but um but yeah it's you know it's like three to four jokes a minute so that's so much like i have bits that go like i have a joke that goes seven minutes and then you hear that and you're like it i don't know like i think um it's giving me anxiety because i would be like oh i need five other ones to get just to 15 minutes did you were you always interested in one-liner styles like growing up was that your favorite kind or did you find like one-liner styles that you were interested in like you just did that the best i just found i did it the best yeah you know when i started i just did everything and i i don't even remember what happened but after like a year or two that's i was only doing one-liners so you weren't like growing up being like oh i want to be you like watch like someone that does a one-liner and you're like that's my style you like kind of found it yourself yeah i mean i guess i didn't i i was so i so hardly watched stand-up growing up like i would probably wouldn't have even i'm sure i've seen one-liner comics but i probably didn't even think about the different styles um until after i was doing it i mean i get the one thing i guess that what that i was like my favorite thing as a kid that would be my biggest influence was like deep thoughts on snl yeah jack handy yeah which is amazing which is those were always how you could tell who the smarter kids were because like the dumb loud kids like me we liked matt foley and we liked um attack of the masturbating zombies or like the or head wound harry he must be the same age as me because yeah matt foley was like the that's what it was but that was like the litmus test yeah we're the loud kid in school and really i liked matt foley but i was more of like uh i was really big into dana carvey so i liked the voices i liked the impressions yeah but uh but really snl at that time you could gauge who was who yeah because the people that liked matt foley you're like oh monster trucks uh you know slim jims and mountain dew or mountain fall and then like deep thoughts with jack handy you're go you drink tea and you're only at 13 years old that's like those people who are like i could go for a nice camomile right now it seemed like the more intelligent yeah um but you grew up in alaska yeah yeah yeah that's um in anchorage in anchorage alaska from 1 to 18 yeah i mean zero to 18 yeah zero but i don't know if they moved you in only at one zero to one was a laboratory but um growing up there i lived in uh kenai for oh well a summer and so i knew that yeah i did a cannery oh cool just like my aunt lived up there yeah she worked at a hospital in kenai yeah so i went up there and like lived up there and it's a different place yeah i mean i mean anchorage is definitely different from kenai sure anchorage is the big city yeah we went there on like the our off weekend and then it was like yeah oh this isn't a big city like how do you go i mean i'm from denver and it was like i went to anchorage i was like this is a tiny city yeah but it is the big city it is alaska you it is a normal life in terms of going to the you're not hunting for sure your food yeah people don't realize that yeah even though it is a normal life you still have the winter darkness and the summer light yeah was that a weird thing for you to adjust off of when you left when you came to the lower 48 you know i don't i don't remember thinking about it much until uh you know when i moved out to california and i went camping the first time which i always loved i was like oh it gets dark at like 7 p.m what am i supposed to do till i get tired at like 2 a.m and like it didn't just took for granted in alaska this light i mean twilight at least like all night and you can just at any hour do anything it really is uh it's startling yeah when you first go there because i was there like may to august so it was the the sunlight thing the first night i was there i was drinking at my aunt's friend's house because i was 19 and we were drinking and my my aunt's friend were in the backyard smoking a cigarette he's like what time do you think it is and i was like oh my god i'm so tired i'm so tired i'm so tired i'm so tired and i was like 9 30 and i was being like liberal about like yeah i know we're up north and it sets late so 9 30 and he's like it's two in the morning oh wow and i like i had to sit down like it fucked me up so bad that i was like no it's not what do you mean and i looked at i you know it's like i don't think everybody has cell phone back then so i like went looked at the clock i was like oh damn it is and then it's just like a weird thing of when you move when you go into the winters i'm sure it's like there's an adjustment period but after i left i was like i left alaska that summer and i moved back the first time i had a night that was dark it fucked me up it made me like fall asleep very fast did you have any kind of change when you moved to california besides just that camping trip well i mean i didn't move right to california that is you know after college and i guess college also starts in the fall so it's a good time to adjust but oh yeah you went to harvard so you go immediately to alaska to massachusetts yeah so that's got to be a i mean if anything it was almost felt colder because i had to walk everywhere and anchorages drive everywhere and i i for some for some reason i i should have known better but the only time i'd ever been down to the contiguous lower 48 i love it by the way i was trying to i was trying to root it out yeah alaskans call us the lower 48 yeah that's how they refer to us or the south yeah i've been like my boss at the cannery is like well you're from the south and i was like i'm from colorado and he's like no you're not but but yeah the lower 48 is great so when you were moving to the lower 48 yeah i i'd only i mean we visit all the time we have family down here my parents we don't have deep roots in alaska or anything sure and every time we go to alaska we go to alaska we go to alaska we go to alaska we go to alaska every time i've been down here it was either the summer or if it's the winter is like florida yeah or california so i just didn't even realize there was like winter down here and i think i like only brought like shorts and stuff to boston it's like oh no this is just just as bad that's really funny that you just think well it's it's southern so it's gotta be warm what is it near the equator no it's very far away what made your family move to alaska because you said you don't have deep roots there what put your family up there i mean my my dad grew up in burbank okay my mom grew up in burbank and i grew up in alaska and i grew up in alaska and they they met when they were in college and they stayed together and went through my dad going to law school and he just found a job he's only gonna go up for one year this is you know a few years before i was born and it was doing environmental law oh cool like a one-year fellowship yeah and they just liked it so much they stayed and then they're they're still there i don't think they're gonna retire anywhere else are you a big nature family like do you guys go i mean because you have denali you have like you know like incredible parks there yeah i mean we're from alaska but we're also jewish so it's kind of like by by it's kind of by alaska centers we go there for the fish but i don't really enjoy much much other things i don't like the environment yeah that is i've never thought about what a perfect recipe to make a comedian yeah is take a jewish family and raise them in the wilderness you're like northern exposure of comedy we're like i can't fucking act which by the way was the character northern exposure was he a jewish doctor yes yes so that makes sense yeah unfortunately they took the idea for my sitcom like well before i yeah you go i lived it and you went back in time and did it yeah did you ever watch that when you were a kid yeah i watched it every week i don't remember much about it okay yeah because you know it is it was a a sitcom in the 90s where a doctor moves to alaska and has to kind of deal with the things of alaska but obviously they like you know make everything way alaska because that's the funny part about alaska people think you're just like living out of a shack on the side of a mountain and you're like no there's like mcdonald's and stuff yeah that's one of the things that blew my mind about alaska and as a kid i'm interested to see what it was like for you growing up there summer is here time to sweat or go swimming it's like a thing you should take a lot more advantage of as an adult i'm trying to i'm calling up jay all the time and being like please can i come over and cannonball into your pool and i'll wear some fresh ass mac well dins mac weldons are bathing suits that just fit great you can show a lot of thigh you don't have to show a lot of thigh at all i have these 49er ones that i love they are a little they are a little thigh heavy but because i love them so much i'm like you know what let everyone see the yams but what i love about mac weldon bathing suits is they dry quick they're super comfortable to lounge around in all day they got that four-way stretch so there's no bunching or sagging you know when you 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sweet so stop putting off those doctor appointments go to zoc doc.com slash soda to find and instantly book a doctor you love today that's zoc doc.com slash soda zoc doc.com slash soda thanks zoc doc for sponsoring this message that's one of the things that blew my mind about alaska and as a kid i'm interested to see what it was like for you growing up there stuff like mcdonald's is very expensive because of how they ship all the stuff there yeah so if you wanted to go to mcdonald's it's almost like a nice night out well maybe i mean in anchorage yeah if you go out further definitely it's like crazy it was like it was like and this is in 2002 it was 10 bucks for a number one okay i don't yeah i don't think it's like that anchorage but it was definitely more it it's like la it's like usually when you go to from la on the road to a to the middle of the country it's like a nice everything's on sale yeah and it's not like that when you go to anchorage yeah yeah you go there and you're like oh everything is why is it as expensive as new york city because they also when you you know i found that fascinating it was like one of the guys i worked with kind of told me because i was stupid he's like well you look at the shipping routes and it has to be boated in because of how the rockies split up and come into canada it's such a nasty terrain yeah that they can't take trucks yeah so they have to ship it but alaska is one of those places where i'm like how have i not gone back to do shows yeah because i do i loved it i loved being up there i thought it was the most beautiful place on earth yeah especially in the summer yeah like i think is it hard for you to find nature beautiful when you like grew up in the the best place for it you know i used to be kind of a snob about it absolutely i would like like roll my eyes at at anything down here yeah and they're like hey we're gonna go out to western mass we're gonna go up you know and you go cool i don't care but i did i did kind of start to appreciate like the especially like the the rocky mountains i guess you're from denver and there is i almost think like the the thing about um about alaska and in in the north and canada is it's it's like sparse um so every you know the plant trees are a little smaller they're they're just um things just don't grow as much yeah and there's something amazing about in the rockies you have kind of the same terrain but like just lush meadows yeah it's very uh it's very thick especially yeah well that's also something what's interesting you know growing up in places that people think they know about but everyone thinks denver is this like you know you're on a mountain and you're like it's yeah you're in the great plains yeah everything's like very flat and then you hit the mountains yeah but i did the same thing you did when i came when i moved to new york and everyone was like we're gonna go skiing and i was like skiing i was like with what yeah and they're like vermont and you're like those are ice hills you need to go to the rockies of colorado yeah yeah there is like a snooty thing when you grow up around beautiful nature yeah because i had uh you know fam my whole family's from the bay area in northern california and they get very like big sir and like the sequoias they're like you don't know yeah all right there's other good nature elsewhere yeah i think that's that's something that's interesting for like people who are in the nature but don't travel yeah they get very smarmy and like yeah you've never seen it it's like yeah i think you've seen anything else because i'm sure i would go to like the andes and be like oh these are crazy yeah you know yeah because i'm a mountain i'm a mountain file yeah and i didn't even like the mountains when i lived in colorado oh wow was that a thing like my mom my i had a stepdad that was very very active but i wasn't did you have family members that wanted you to go do more nature stuff and were you like can i just sit inside and watch tv no no no i when i said like we're we're not we're jewish we're not as a nation we're still pretty in nature we're still pretty in into nature. - Okay. - I'm just saying compared to, by alaska standards oh my god we're not like insane yeah alaska has standards that are unreachable i knew a guy in alaska that moved to a plot of land built a shack then built a second house oh wow and then built and this is over the span of like 25 years and then built a nice house but he did it all himself and you're like yeah that's what alaska is a guy that's like well i moved up to ketchikan and i didn't have much yeah that's definitely not our family but but no we were always very and i was still i'm into like hiking and skiing oh that's awesome and going to heart going to harvard did they think you came out of like the wilderness yeah i mean it was it was it was cool like going to i i feel like i'm all like when i was in alaska like i felt exotic for being jewish and then when i left alaska i was like exotic for being from alaska yeah that's like something that's what a fun way to feel like um i mean the anti anti-semitism in alaska has to be through the roof i'm not gonna act like i listen beautiful state or whatever it is isolated that's where you find stuff where i don't think they're going to be knowing what the torah is and exactly you know they're not like you're not up in alaska and they're like happy yom kippur i got you some applesauce so you can have a sweet year and dip the challah bread in it no definitely i i did not encounter a lot of like what actual anti-semitism okay i will say yeah you know like in class when they're you know they're in sex ed and they're like you know circumcision is common is like common among you know the jewish tradition everyone like turns to look at me it's like that that kind of thing i would turn back and go what do you guys what do you guys have you guys all have breakfast burritos in your pants get the fuck out of here oh i'm the only one that cleaned up oh my people honestly and this is you know uh and i've i've said this before on previous episodes especially with my friends who are jewish i was a kid in the american suburbs that grew up in alaska and i grew up in alaska and i grew up in alaska and i grew up in alaska and i grew up on stand-up comedy and mel brooks and stuff so i wanted to be jewish so when i found out that circumcision was like a jewish thing i was like well all right i was like guys turns out at the hartford hospital they thought i was one of the chosen ones but i do you really do wonder like in alaska like the idea of you bringing up hanukkah yeah to them and they're like what do you mean yeah i remember the teacher like in the second grade had my dad come in and class for hanukkah and stuff like that that's really funny they go i brought i brought one in they go excuse me we got a real life jewish man here who's going to explain the how they burn oil just like a tanker just like one of those fish tankers yeah that is that a thing where you like move to boston and then you move to california and you're around more jewish people that you realize like oh damn we were out there on our own yeah it always seems odd to me that like so many people everywhere i've lived since like i was a kid i've been to a lot of these places and i've been to alaska so many people are jewish yeah it's like not it's not like the first thing you think about with someone and i yeah and i i wonder was that a big thing like how many brothers and sisters do you have i have a younger brother okay seven years younger yeah so you guys oh damn seven years younger yeah so he got to really you got like you were the older older brother yeah yeah yeah does how does that affect you guys being close because you're out of high school you're out of the house by the time he's yeah yeah exactly so he was always you know a little kid to me okay and then you know until i went to college then he goes to college and then it was kind of this amazing experience you know once he was an adult we're both like talking to him and like wow there's this like guy who thinks like me that's fun i thought i was the only one in the world that thinks like this that's really fun that's very cool i'm an only child so i'm like uh i i kind of like obsessed about the idea of having a sibling in the house yeah whether you're too close to him you know my uh fiance katie grew up very close with her brother and she kind of sees how i interact with my mom who's a single mom and i was an only child and she kind of sees how i interact with my mom and she'll come away from me like oh i couldn't have handled that and i was like you don't really because like i think what's interesting about a sibling is you have someone to kind of confirm your reality in a way to go like hey is mom crazy yeah and you have someone to go yeah like yeah mom's a little crazy yeah but when you're an only child it's like you're living under a dictator yeah it's like she was like kim jong-un yeah so the whole time i was like she's she made the stars in the moon i'm like i don't know and then you get older and you kind of confirm did you did you have that relationship with your brother even though there was seven years and like apart not no not really that i mean i think being uh having the seven year uh difference and being the oldest is kind of psychologically you you have the only child mentality sure i think yeah because you're like i mean you were seven when your brother's born and you're kind of like hey i got used to how stuff was around yeah yeah and now there's a baby well seven is almost old enough that you're like excited about it oh yeah not i i don't remember like having a new pet sure oh yeah where you go something to play with yeah i got a little i got a little brother i got a little little man yeah like i can mold i mean i think it's it's awesome that you uh does your family know you were going to be a comedian you know what i mean yeah definitely not i think anyone that knew me as a kid growing up surprised i mean anyone knows me now that doesn't know me that well surprised because i'm shy yeah but hilarious well thank you um i mean again go listen to his album uh on spotify the special should be out now well well-rounded entertainer animated does the animated thing help you with like um you know you said you're shy yeah obviously a big part of a special is performance yeah does that kind of go does that kind of take stuff off your plate where you go oh i just get to do my jokes oh i mean it definitely took pressure off sure i mean that's that's not really the reason enough to to choose to do it i had other reasons but i was glad you know once i realized yeah that's a benefit yeah yeah absolutely and then the animation process are you like there with them every step of the way watching it how it like looks yeah i i mean i was uh i hired bento box to do it does bob's burgers they do i mean they are like they are bob's burger they're the ones that made it the whole thing uh they're fantastic yeah bento box is fucking unbelievable the one time we had a show i had a show at fox we were working with them and they understand animation in a way that you're like oh you guys are yeah premier place to do it yeah it's awesome i'm glad you did that's so cool you did it what is that was that a relationship through bob's burgers yeah absolutely you're talking to him and you're like hey i kind of want to do a stand-up special yeah i mean initially so first i did uh like a three-minute animatic so to just i wasn't sure it would be good it'd look good yeah and that was actually technically that was through lauren's bouchard's the creator bob's like his production company but is using you know hiring animators that i knew yeah from the same company and and i and then i just loved how it looked so i'm like okay it's worth paying for the whole thing that's awesome because it is a very heavy investment yeah to to do a special in animation it's like is it a 60-minute special uh it's like 46 yeah that's yeah and when people go he didn't do 60 it's like motherfucker he animated it do you know how much it costs it would have cost the same cost as fern gully to do a full hour um with the bob's burgers you know you get the role of tina did you know tina belcher was going to be as iconic uh you know i i i was i was excited almost for the wrong reason because i thought it was like a really funny gimmick that you're like i'm playing this that i'm playing this middle school yeah girl who is the best character on the show yeah well you're very kind but i mean come on the fan fiction about bobby jr touching butts how do you not like tina belcher tina belcher to me is the most relatable out of all the characters in bob's burgers uh yeah that's and that's a surprise because i i've come around to that view it did not seem that all yeah it would be that at first did you think like oh i'm just gonna play this weird girl exactly it's gonna have my voice exactly she's super into horse i'm gonna play a horse girl yeah exactly and i thought it was just i thought it was like a kind of like steve urkel character that was like for just for laughs like a weird person for laughs which was great and i was happy to do that and then um and then it came out and i was like nobody's really commenting on the this being this nobody's like this is an amazing gimmick gimmick you know no one really cared about that yeah you thought it was gonna be a bit where everyone goes well who's up with the nerdy yeah no one cared no one cared about that and then over time the and this is this is just a hundred percent due to the writers being great writers um it was like i realized this was like a multi-dimensional super relatable character i mean the heart of the show yeah it really is like you watch an episode whatever they're going through yeah because i think tina out of the characters carries the most anxiety yeah out of every especially out of the kids yeah the other kids are just wild childs you know and i mean eugene merman and sarah silverman is those it's just like well sorry my bad christian shaw christian another colorado sarah silverman is is on it yeah yeah sarah silverman's in it i mean the voice your guys's roster is unbelievable everybody on that show it's like you look at it and you're like it's a who's who yeah but christian shaw is a who's who and sarah silverman is a who's who yeah but christian shaw is a who's who and sarah silverman is a who's who and sarah silverman is a who's who christian shaw you and eugene as judges like unbelievable as the kids yeah yeah you look at tina and you go well she's the one that's always worried yeah yeah she's like the the like pov for for the audience yeah i really think i think you really do get especially the way that the age she's at where she's at in school like the characters that they have around her because she's at that age where kids are starting to become cool yeah interested in the opposite sex yeah and so it's great it's had you have like peop have you called people as tina before like uh friends or like left messages because i feel like if i was an iconic character that would be a fun thing i mean people definitely asked asked to do that yeah like voice memos stuff yeah is it annoying or were you like i don't want to know it's uh my my all the only thing that is stressful is when they don't tell me what to say and they're just just say whatever like just to write it give me a direction yeah to go because it is a thing has anyone on your on the phone with you been like you sound like tina belcher every once in a while it's pretty rare for people to like customer service um like it's happened one like one time and it's always just like i don't even remember exactly what it was but it's it's always just like well sometimes with these ad reads it really you can just be like 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was but it's it's always just like well now like i i i can't be that aggressive with trying to get my customer service thing i want you're like my cable's out yeah and i'll kick the shit out of you and they go is this tina belcher and you're like i'll rub your butt please i'll write fan fiction about you i've always wondered that because you it's a voice that isn't you're not like you're obviously ramping it or you're making it like more of a voice but it's your voice yeah it's not like a thing where you're putting it on yeah it's just the way you talk yeah so it's got to be moments where people in public are like yeah oh yeah i mean um it definitely i mean i i like it like i'm shy so and i don't get recognized that much so any attention like makes my day yeah um but but yeah it is uh it it is interesting that it is i mean they shift the pitch up like a quarter tone that's basically my voice but that's what you can tell that they just basically go like we're gonna make you a young girl but we're gonna take your voice so there has to be moments where people are talking and they're like man this is gonna i'm gonna sound crazy yeah you sound exactly like tina belcher i am tina belcher hello dan mince tina belcher that's like a fun introduction where they're like oh you're fucking me up i don't know man i always think it's funny when people are like um that there's like a humanity in it of hearing someone's voice and being like i know who you are like i've had that uh you know h john benjamin i forgot where i was he was i was in public and he was by me talking and i was like who's doing a perfect archer and i looked over and i was like oh my god it was like at this party in brooklyn and he was like well you know he's got such an iconic voice yeah yeah that you're like you hear that and you're like oh it's bob's burgers or if you're an archer fan you're like oh that's that's archer yeah that's that's always i think the thing about cartoons that i've loved is that sometimes it's just these people's voices but they're their characters so then they see the person you're like well i'm not that character yeah yeah it's almost like wrestling where you're like hey i'm not that wrestler i'm actually like a man that walks around yeah has his own life i mean the gender swap does make it easier for people to separate me i think yeah because there's two because also um yeah john roberts john roberts who does the mom but that's like a voice he puts on yeah i mean we had different ways of getting to doing the same thing sure he was already he was doing that voice that's like his mom yeah doing his doing the voice of his mom and he was doing that on youtube and lauren loved it and hired him for that as the mom whereas i was actually just supposed to play a boy and i changed it to a girl and kept the voice how did you find that out did they tell you it was actually very stressful because i i got uh i got a call message from lauren saying hey call me back and i was like you know been a while since we taped the the pilot presentation sure i was like this is weird i i'd always would just hear from you know lauren's producer or my agent why am i never the creator yeah yeah and i was like i bet what this is is the show got picked up but they're not keeping me i'm sure um very normal thing to think yeah you get any kind of phone call from the bosses from the boss yeah and i'm out yeah and i just i took me a while to call back because i just didn't want to yeah yeah delay the inevitable get that call and then when i called i mean and of course the first thing he says i'm calling about castings like here it is and they're like we don't want to change your voice to a girl well you know okay i'm definitely gonna recast and i have a bit before been not exactly recast girl but i went out for a part and they ended up changing the character to women so i was like oh so this is the thing you've bumped up against before you go motherfucker what are you guys trying i'm a man i'm a man you start screaming i'm a man into the phone i did that's what i did but then he quickly said but it will still be you and then i was like okay i just don't do any other voices um because um and he said that's fine it'll be your voice and i was very relieved i was also very skeptical but i was like what's your show do whatever you want i didn't think work there's there is a like a level of trust that you have to go like all right whatever yeah your shit i'll go along with it exactly and then they sent me the animation test i think it was just um tina doing my stand-up just to see it as like oh that's fun that's got to be really fun to watch i wonder if that yeah the video is anywhere if you have that you should put it out on your youtube channel yeah yeah to go along with it because that's really fun yeah just to see your jokes done by tina yeah i gotta get that i gotta get that yeah and uh and yeah and then it's like this actually works and and you know and that was that what i found out later i actually was not too far off of the truth because i didn't find this out until years later but like so originally it was just two kids sure and um john benjamin you know got me this job and changed my life because i i had just met him we were we were writing on dimitri martin's show yeah and man you've written on fucking bangers i've written on a lot of stuff man yeah that was the most one of the best i mean yeah pimp just popped that's yeah it's up there with 30 rock is it's a 1a 1b is the i think the best show best comedies of all time yeah it was amazing and that's just a personal opinion i know people get fucking really weird about that but to me it goes 30 rock uh veep and i can do this with it i mean it's amazing that because veep was starting to overlap like the whatever you want to call it like woke era and the and the the things that we were still doing we were still doing the same thing and we were still doing the same thing and we're still allowed to say and write that like you wouldn't have been able to on a new show yeah where i think they were really letting you take but the i think the brilliance of it was with veep was that there was this like sometimes shows really love to be like we're fearless and you're like shut up veep was just like oh no we're this is the world this is what selena meyer yeah lives through yeah and all this crazy shit yeah you know with her daughter and the secret service and then them getting pregnant and like stuff in the later seasons that you go like i could see if this was a new show them not letting you do yeah yeah but it was percent i like when a show and i think always sunny is one of the only shows left that has that carte blanche of like yeah well south park south park but no one's ever south park's in its own it's on its own planet yeah yeah no one will tray tell trey and matt matt stone what the fuck to do yeah trey and matt are always going to do with it and yeah they're the last of that yeah they're the last of the mel brooks's who just go like you know mel brooks has that story where he was like every time i got notes from a network i'd go great and then i just wouldn't do them yeah and it's like that's what you could tell trey parker and matt stone are the last of that of like cool but veep felt a little like that yeah i also think you guys were on such a fucking run yeah the show just kept getting progressively better and better i mean i think so i i was i mean i was only there for for the end okay and i think that nerve-wracking joining a show like that after the train had been on the tracks well well veep wasn't was so you know started it was all british writers sure i mean the creator is british yeah probably why they skewer american politics so well yeah it's because it's an outsider's perspective yeah they see the bullshit they're not like invested yeah we the americans have this like uh manchurian thing with patriotism yeah we're at a certain thing you go like i do love america but a british person can be like all this is broken you're all idiots yeah yeah so i think that that helped a lot and then and then uh i like all the british writers left the show i don't know i have no idea what the history that i like i mean they they were leaving on top it was so it was their choice obviously sure but hbo one keep doing it and they brought in dave mandel um who who's an amazing genius too and he kind of and i again his first year i still wasn't there um i came the next year but he it's such a hard thing to take a pre-existing thing and bring in um what's a new chef right yeah you have like the same menu yeah and the chef has to cook it yeah the exact same if not better yeah and in i mean the the biggest change i think he made was it was more joke dense sure and i want to do a re-watch yeah because i would love to see if you can actually see the like yeah per i think it's michelle wolf has watched it five times uh-huh we have like re-watches and that's her favorite show yeah oh cool we'll be like oh yeah you got to re-watch it but i need i'm due for a re-watch of veep i think that's a change and i also for me i started but watching dave mandel's season because for four i hadn't really been watching it and it was like i had a meeting to write the show so i watched that first and then i went back and watched the rest so for me like his season even though it wasn't the first is like the first it's the first i watched and the rest is like oh oh interesting there there's not there it's like so funny but there's just fewer like jokes a minute and then but then of course when you look at comments most people watch it first and then people always complain about a change yeah but i but i think he did an amazing job like stick you know sticking the landing or it's not a landing but keeping it moving yeah keeping it moving is so difficult especially because when you lose someone as important as that and all the writers leave and you're bringing in someone like i said like a new chef you go well is the kitchen trained can they do that yeah and it really it really doesn't it's hard to tell you watch and you go i didn't even i i didn't even really know that yeah i didn't know there was that big of a shake-up i just thought they obviously added writers or lost that's just my observation yeah about how the but i definitely would like yeah re-watching that because you know the older i get the more i go back and i watch shows for different reasons i think i used to just watch shows because i enjoyed them but now from a creative aspect i do love watching 30 rock and being like i wonder how long it took him to get to that punchline yeah because you know there's all these stories about tina fey keeping the writer's room and being like we can beat that joke we can beat that joke and i it's so weird in an age of instant everything and everything's ai so everything can be made instantly it's like you really do see the quality of a show when you're like i can tell they were in there all night yeah trying to beat a couple jokes yeah because the jokes are so good yeah that you're like they had to have been that one where they're like all right we got it we can we can move on i mean that's the issue with with you know the studios being like well you know white lotus was just mike white wrote one person wrote that yeah like yeah there's there are definitely shows where you only need one person sure and and they're great shows but there's also the type shows like 30 rock or or you know any 90s you know friends simpsons yeah yeah you you need a lot of writers to do that kind of comedy and you're just not going to get that kind of show it's not willing to pay for a lot of writers pay for a room of 12 guys who are you know girls ladies and men who are throwing jokes because you know uh i remember when i met when i started stand-up in tucson arizona and they did like a benefit for the club and all these old people used to work there and one of them was a writer for seinfeld and i was just drinking beers with them i was like an open mic her and i was like i thought larry david and jerry seinfeld wrote seinfeld he's like no he's like are you kidding me there's like a chorus line yeah of of all of us writing and he told me the two episodes he wrote and i was like and then i went back and i watched and i was like oh he did yeah like oh his name's on there as a writer so i do think it's interesting because a lot of times you're right the mike whites and they go oh white lotus is just one guy or um true detective that first season yeah they were like he wrote all that and you're like well that seems even vince gillian on breaking bad people don't realize he had a whole crew yeah like obviously he's the creator of that show but we need better writers rooms yeah but studios just don't want to invest yeah we're in this age now where they go well you just make it and we'll yeah like that used to be a big thing for guys kind of like you that were like hey i'm i'm a little shy i don't want to go out and do all this stuff yeah but i can write jokes i know a bunch of guys like that and you're like we'll put them in a room then you can make a fucking fantastic show i really i you know this week i've been really interested with um all the commencement speeches have been i was telling him before you got here all the commencement speeches in college have been like the google ceo or like these tech people and what's really funny to me is they're giving these commencement speeches and they're talking about ai and they're getting booed yeah it's been great yeah i highly recommend it to anybody go google it go look it up it's very funny because you're watching these like ceo very wealthy men who are just used to everyone saying yes to them and all these college kids are like fuck you you're taking our fucking jobs and they're going but it's a great tool and you're like watching them it i think the most interesting part of me is watching the crack and seeing the humanity come out of them being like guys stop being mad at me yeah yeah but you're seeing that where you're like i gotta watch this oh dude it's do you think ai will is gonna fuck up writers rooms um i mean i it's it's impossible it's impossible to predict how technology yeah well in the future that's why there's no cell phones in any of future movies from the 80s yeah no one guessed cell phones i mean i i spent i'm very very stressed about about it yeah i think it really is this very stressful thing because it's like um ai isn't creative yeah but it just mimics what it already knows but but the but the brain is a computer so technically technically you know by they can get it to where it is yeah yeah i don't think i mean every time i i i check in like to like what can it what can it do how much how close it to replacing me it it's like not there yet but but you just never know what the next model is going to do but the idea of you going in and checking it and being like yeah are you replacing me yet yeah and it's like no i'll be back well just say like can you write write 10 10 jokes in the style of dan manson see what it does but um i mean i when i first tried that like first of all i was like before i do this what if it's a great joke would i do that in my act and i was thinking like well i i if it can consistently do that then i'm just retiring because what's the point yeah this could occasionally do a couple i guess if a friend gave me a couple but then what i realized is like so it's like oh this is terrible joke oh wow this is a great joke oh i'm so fucked and then i but then i google it and it's like oh just someone's tweet yeah and i felt better but i also i'm like okay well you can never use something at road because you won't know exactly if it's stole from someone and you you don't want that to be your excuse like i'm so sorry i stole your joke i was using a but that is um you know what's interesting about that is is that's uh an inherent feeling in comedy before that i you know that's like yeah you hear the stories about david tell that's the reason he calls other comics yeah because he goes does anybody do this joke yeah and ai doesn't do that ai just goes here's that joke yeah and you go oh you took another joke and just gave it to me yeah and i think that is a thing of like um i think the reason it scares me so much is because the people that run these studios and the people that are in charge of making this stuff aren't creatives anymore yeah they're all uh hatchet men they're all like numbers guys like studios want to bring in guys who go hey you can spend this much and you'll make this much yeah and all the board members will be very happy yeah but what they don't realize is is they're killing the small amount of creativity that they actually have in the room by shrinking the budget yeah it's like we don't have to pay eight writers to write the show anymore yeah but that's what made the show good yeah yeah obviously the actors and the people that made it but it's like the the people the guy who grew up in new hampshire that knew this joke about this place in new hampshire that you reference in the show that is a great joke it's like you're not going to get him yeah you're you're going to cut him out for a computer that's just going to mimic someone else's yeah it is you know you in theory like if they're really good analysts and number crunchers then they'll be able to they should be able to figure out this is the part you cut the budget and this is where you don't cut the budget exactly but i think they're just for from there if you're not actually in the writer's room and and kind of seeing it up seeing the process up close i think there's there's too much noise in the data for them to realize that's why this show is better than this show yeah it i mean it you know what it is is it's like um we're in such an age where there's so much like technology's made so much stuff convenient you know like uh finding a movie or ordering food or buying an album you know it's like all this convenient stuff that we misinterpret it that it can also do the heavy shit yeah you go i don't know if it can do the heavy shit yeah because even the entertainment stuff it fucks up so much and i think people don't you know people want glp1 stuff they don't want to go to the they don't want to watch their diet and exercise and do the old school route of like i'm counting my calories i'm exercising five days a week they want to go i'm gonna take the shot yeah and now i get sick when i think about food i just won't eat food and i'll have a and it's like there are people that need that there are you know i'm i'm uh friends with people that struggle with their weight and you do know that there are some people that that could help yeah but it feels like people are using a nuclear bomb to swat a fly yeah where they're going like oh this is this is the oh i can do it and i'm skinny now and i have like this benefit but it's like i i feel like that's happening a lot in comedy right now where people are going like well glp1 it we'll just let's fucking cut it we don't it's just a shot we'll ai it you know we were talking about someone special and we won't say who's but this guy was like they fucked up the filming a guy goes i'll just clean it up with ai and you go don't do that because then next thing you know you go like well i don't want to film a show i'll just put my jokes in and ai will make this make my performance smoother and it's like yeah i don't know there is a thing especially a guy like you that writes one-liners it's like uh you know if you shifted looking at from comedy to music it's like you write sheet music and that's so difficult that people don't realize it's like yeah ai might be able to do it but it won't be they don't have the years of learning it like you did yeah i don't know it is like a an area where i go for convenience i'm all for technology yeah the heavier shit i think we really need to chill and i'm glad these ceos are getting booed yeah i think all ceos should get booed but i like that these guys are like to their face an overwhelming group makes me very happy i don't know this we're in the era of liking bosses well i don't i mean i think i think we were in that era and that maybe people aren't realizing that we're not yeah i think that's actually the way to say it is like yeah there was an era where like look at this guy what a boss yeah what a ceo and now you go like the social network yeah yeah yeah exactly well then you go i actually think you're kind of fucked up oh you're kind of a dick are you poisoning the water and they're like whatever bro i'm a boss if i was a ceo i would just lean into it yeah and be like why you guys you guys mad i'm balling out so hard with my army of robots was there ever uh a time when you were in alaska that you were like i'm just gonna stay here did you ever or were you one of those people that's like please let me out right now i mean i i never thought i and none of the things i wanted to do or that was really the best place to do it so i always thought i'd be i'd be leaving did you want to be an entertainer did you want to be in like i mean there's one thing i wanted to do sure um and so so yeah but and i think teenagers anywhere other outside of like i guess if you live here or la like yeah like wish they live somewhere else so but you know now i'm going back like i love it and sometimes i you know think i'll be cool to move back here especially now that you can kind of live anywhere sure the remote possibility my my wife doesn't think she could handle the darkness so i don't think what's the what's the harder one is the winters or the summers definitely the winters and people get like seasonal affective disorder and like for real it'll be like not a hot girl that like is sad in january i've seen you're like talking about people that actually get mentally yeah yeah is that did you ever have that were you ever affected or is it because you grew up it's kind of like me with the altitude yeah really effective not that i know of i think it's growing up there yeah it really does yeah it's kind of like me with the altitude yeah it's kind of like me with the altitude because like you know i take people uh to colorado and they get headaches and they had to sit down and stuff and you're like i'm fine yeah but i haven't lived there in 26 years yeah but yeah growing up there so when you took your wife to alaska did you take her up there for a winter uh we know or just like in the winter i think we went in like april once where there's still snow on the ground um i think she just knows that she couldn't handle it yeah yeah where is she from she i mean she she family moved around a little bit she's mainly from iowa davenport i went right so it's like not similar in any way that she could be like i can handle yeah yeah yeah that is like the retirement because i love colorado and i've had the same thoughts about like maybe i would come back here you know when everything slowed down and yeah i just wanted to kind of be by myself and read books and shit or be with katie and the dogs and i feel like i don't know i was one of the only people in that i knew that really wanted to get out of there in uh still live there and have great lives and i love visiting them and stuff but i i feel like i was like maybe one of five people that i knew that was like i'm ready to get the fuck out well because colorado is beautiful yeah there's just no humidity the weather is great yeah you know it's a little tricky so it is a place that absolutely i don't fault anybody for being like oh i just want to stay here the rest of my life but i really had that like itchiness yeah i think it's i think more people want to want to leave anchorage because it's uh yeah i mean denver is a bigger like city and it's like closer to stuff um it does feel like there's a lot i haven't actually researched it so who knows but it feels like there's a lot of turnover information that's not vetted at all i feel like there's a lot of turnover where like a lot of the adults in anchorage move there as adults and the kids going up there move away well they um they i don't know if this is when i lived when i lived up there for the summer but they pay you to move there well you got you mean the dividend yeah the dividend yeah people don't if you move to alaska and become a citizen there you get uh like in 02 it was a 1600 check i don't know what it is now yeah but it was like money from the oil reserve that's up there or something yeah they basically when they first found oil and started um you know in the state realized they had all this money they set aside a bunch of money for basically for to use in an emergency and then the investment income off of that goes is just distributed as a check to everyone so it's different every year based on the market um and then and now it's like a third rail like you can have an emergency and no one's gonna let you touch that money really they would need to they want to get their checks yeah yeah they're like dude come on we're having a good year we're having a bullish market i need this money it is yeah but that was kind of the um you know the like sell at the cannery yeah like yeah because i was dead broke and they're like you know if you move here yeah you get like 1600 bucks and you're like yeah well i could use 1600 yeah i mean it always my my check always just went to my college funds but yeah that is great when you were at harvard and people find out you're from alaska harvard is one of those universities where you probably saw like legit wasps like snooty like yeah i want to say like um you know the bad guys from trading places like the ones that sing to women where they're like and of course i always think of harvard and yale like that because i had a friend that went to yale and he would come back home and i'd be like what is it like you stolen crossbones but when you move from alaska to cambridge and you're at harvard was there like this like where are you from you're from alaska it's a big enough um campus with a not enough like economic diversity that like there's more there definitely are the stereotypes people from the movies but they're not there's not most of the people who are from the movies but they're not most of the people who are from the okay you see um i'd be fascinated with them yeah oh what's your life like yeah and you know there's definitely like the richest people in the world from the richest families um but uh but yeah i mean my dad actually went to harvard oh cool and that helped you know made it easier for me to get in oh then you have someone that you have a sherpa you have someone that knows the lay of the land yeah and we actually went to like his his 25th reunion oh cool when i was the whole family when i was like 13 so i met like kids at private schools and i started to kind of learn a little bit about that east coast culture and i was like oh my god i'm gonna go to harvard and i'm gonna go to seeing what they're like where you like you live at school and they're like i do i know i like i would i beg my parents send me to boarding school they're like you can pick between boarding school or college but we can't oh you wanted to go to boarding school i mean just when i met kids from there i mean it just i guess it just it sounds like it is i i didn't really know what it's like it sounds like you're like independent sure you live early but probably you're not that independent based on the rules but yeah well it's so funny because like you wanted to go to boarding school military school my mom's like i'll send you to kansas you'll go to fucking military school if you don't shape it and you're like all right i'm not smoking cigarettes anymore i'm a good kid now but it is like i did not want to go away for school i was like dude i will run away before you'll fucking put me in military school i always think it's interesting because like when you would come back to alaska from school from harvard were your friends that were from anchorage like what's it like because i was blown away by my friend who went to yale he came home and i would just be like who have you met like what's the craziest person he knew like the ceo of snapple's daughter he met a kid and this was all like freshman year shit and i remember we were hanging out and he met a kid that was a genius like a certified that's what's crazy about harvard and yale it's like you can call people geniuses but motherfucking geniuses go to these schools and he met a kid that developed which is really prominent now the technology of charging by laying something on it oh wow so like this was 2000 and i was like oh my god i'm gonna go to harvard and yale and i'm gonna go to harvard 2001 yeah and the kid had developed it and patented it and he i mean obviously i don't know if that's whose thing it was but my buddy came home and it was like yeah in the future you'll be able just to like lay your flip phone on a thing and it'll charge obviously we didn't know about smartphones yeah but he was right and i was like damn that's crazy you knew about that 25 years ago yeah did you have moments like that where you were like meeting kids and then telling people back home like i mean i feel like it so yeah i mean most that most kids had like a ivy school are they're basically they're regular people that are just really good at taking tests yeah okay that makes me feel better yeah that does make me feel like a lot less dumber because yeah because you're like i'm horrible at tests i would have never yeah exactly it's just you know people the average person underperforms on tests because they're nervous or there is awkward awkward constraints and then people that are just good at it like they get into the best schools and then but but yeah but you do have like that like you know three percent of the student population is like insane geniuses that you never meet anywhere else yeah that's very cool i don't remember meeting anyone where i was like someone exciting talk about i feel like i just there's so many in i just like i other people somehow knew like celebrities that i just did oh really but uh but yeah it was um it is like interesting now like all the you know people that i that i you know remember from classes like they're like you know writing for the new york times or whatever that's great seeing their names out there - Yeah, that has gotta be fun that you're like, I remember him from sophomore year. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. writing an op-ed piece yeah well you're with your you have two kids when they go back to alaska with you how because your parents are still up there right yeah do they love that um i mean my my son like loves hiking and he loves like going to his very rustic summer camp so he's very excited to do all this stuff so he's got to be like can we go to grandma and grandpa's yeah yeah the best yeah versus iowa yeah wolf what a fuck it i know which family i'm picking to go no offense to the great state of iowa and shout out george kittle from the 49ers but fucking alaska or iowa i don't even think that's a conversation for a vacation you go please can we go to alaska yeah i mean that does your so your son's super into it yeah and my daughter's fine with that she'll go on hikes and stuff she's like fine do your kids care at all that you're tina belcher um no i think they think that it's cool yeah i mean living living in la it just doesn't mean that much you know it's like um the there's like the you know just at you're never going to be the most uh successful person at your kids elementary school oh like there's like a list movie stars yeah your daughter's gonna come home and go like i'm friends with moana yeah you know what i mean like actual moana we we're in a squash group together and you're like holy shit la is really the only place that you think in new york your kids would get more mileage out of you yeah maybe yeah maybe yeah la it really is like oh that's fun what other projects is your dad on yeah kids are asking that no i remember like from just the all when all i did was stand up in new york and just basically at the open mic level sure like the people regular people were so impressed and like move to la like the level of the level you have to get to to have people be as impressed anywhere else simply that you like go do open mic stand up it really yeah yeah the thing about la that always blew my mind was when i started going there regularly and you realize like everybody there is in the business and somehow yeah like everybody like you'll be at like a gas station and the guy will be like i got a spec script picked up by mbc and you're like holy shit everyone here works it's of the reason i didn't want to move there was because i liked um being around regular people yeah i liked being and i i needed to be in a city where i could do stand-up a lot yeah this was a city where i felt like no one cares yeah they go like you go like i did well at the comedy cellar he's like i got off an 18 hour shift we're on the same w train shut the fuck up i liked that about it whereas la i just felt like everyone was like oh you haven't done enough and you're like yeah i don't know but the older i get the more i enjoy la yeah the more i go out there and i go oh this is nice it's just nice weather yeah probably have a backyard yeah it is yeah it is definitely nice with like you mentioned your dog oh yeah she's going nuts right now she just wants to come out and say hi to you and like they still like you still they still need like walks and stuff but like if it's the middle of the night and after the bathroom you don't have to take them on a walk yeah every night she's getting this new thing right now i usually fall asleep on this couch while i'm watching tv and then at night she waits for me to go to bed she'll drink an entire bowl of water and then go stand at the door and be like hey and you go you gotta take an elevator yeah we gotta like get in an elevator and go downstairs and it's like two in the morning and you're like and then she just wants to smell stuff and there's a guy there's a guy screaming at you you know and you're like hey all right i'm in my slides please don't attack me yeah but it is that that's what does suck yeah but like little stuff of like uh katie and i like jokingly fantasize about the idea of just opening a door and being like go outside yeah it is nice yeah that's like to me that's like you could fly you could do that i'm very excited to watch the special man i think you're i think you're fucking hilarious i love a ton of the stuff that you've worked on and done check out the special the link is below right now well-rounded entertainer dan mintz watch it he's hilarious i appreciate you coming by thanks for having me yeah dude i really uh thanks for coming by dude you're welcome