Loves and Loathes of the Offseason So Far

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Upgrade your yard with this year's hottest holiday decor, including the show-stopping towering Santa. Oh, I like that one. And his impressive reindeer. Both 8.5 feet and both designed with incredible detail that stands out day or night. When you want decor that delivers impact, The Home Depot has it. Make your home Santa's favorite stop with the holiday decor you want. All waiting for you at The Home Depot. Welcome to The Home Depot. Welcome to The Mismatch. I'm Chris Varney, and joining me as he does every week from TheRinger.com is Dave Jacoby. Jacoby! So, Verno, like, I'll never lie into a microphone. That's something I've been saying for years. I was looking at what we're going to talk about today, and I was like, you know what? There's not, just, just, just not a lot of news. You know, like, there's just, just, like, it's like, uh, uh. You died down. Wendy signed a shoe deal. It's like, it's like, oh, okay. Because, you know, I produce, I produce Game Over 2, and, like, I'll do the rundown for them and try to scrape something together. But, like, between me and you, man, I was concerned about it, and you sent me a great text. Tell me, tell the people the text you sent me. Well, look, we had two choices. We were either going to do the loves and loathes of the NBA offseason thus far, or we were going to one-up Bill and redraft the 1983 NBA draft. Every draft, yeah. Yes. And so, we decided. Between the mailbags and the redrafts, I know. Bill doesn't listen, so I can say this. Bro, between the mailbags and the redrafts, like. You know what? It should be, like, it should be, like, a mailbag. This first one is from Bill Simmons to Bill Simmons because I've been mailing in the summer. When you used to produce the show, were you in charge of putting together all the emails? No. No, it's always been his gig. And he gets a lot, too. He gets a lot. One thing about Bill is he will keep old emails. He'll, like, forward you an email from. 2008 that you forgot about just randomly. Like, this dude is on it. He's got a memory in an archive, like, you don't even know. Amazing. All right, so we are going to do our loves and loves of the NBA offseason. And now that everything did die down completely, kind of what we are left with thinking about as we have now headed into the total downtime of NBA and NBA news. There's still, like, a couple free agents. There's the Ben Mather and thing. There's a restriction free agents out there. There are loose ends to be tied. I incorporated a news item into one of my loves and loves that I don't want to tease. I'll tease for later. But there's stuff happening and stuff to happen. There always is. There's some stuff going on. All right, we're going to start with my first love. What I am left with from this NBA offseason, more than anything, is the rise of the East. And this is twofold. A, the more I look at it, and again, maybe I was being swayed a little bit by, being in Milwaukee a week and a half ago, where I was like, you know, I really like Taylor Jenkins in Memphis when he was coaching. And I love Braden Burry's when I watched him at Summer League. I was like, sure. Me too. And they got Khalil Ware and Tyler Hero. This is where you're starting the show, my guy? No, no. All I'm saying is, the last time we talked about this, we missed it. We didn't mention that really there's only like three teams that are like out of it. And that's probably true with the Bucs, the Bulls, and the Nets. Right? But the Bulls, like, you know, they've obviously, they got the- First of all, the Bulls is one of my loves for later. So hold on. But they've got the Caleb Wilson thing. They've got Norm Powell. They've got Nick Clacks. They might not be horrible. The Bucs might not be horrible. Like, the Nets are- They're probably the only one that's like legitimately horrible. Okay? So all I'm saying is, you've got the deepest this thing has ever been by a wide margin. What we were trying to go through last week and be like, who are the eight teams and who are the three or four that we're leaving on the outside looking in? Because we were down to like, you know, the Pacers are getting Halliburton back and the Raptors have Kawhi and the Heat added Giannis and on and on and on. And, but more important, I was thinking about this this upcoming year. One of the hard parts about being, doing an NBA podcast on a regular basis is, I feel this inordinate- There's no hard parts. Yeah. No, no, no. Hear me out. The pressure to stay up late for these West Coast teams and the fact that these West Coast teams, the Lakers, all the California teams, now, like the Lakers and the Kings, and the Warriors, and like most of the teams that are now on the West Coast, like, I'm not going to feel, like, I love that the pendulum has swung. The East has got a bunch of guys now. And most importantly, that's a ton. I live in Central Time Zone. So that's a ton of six o'clocks and a ton of seven o'clock where I live. And then the only ones, like those 930 games where I live, which are 1030 where you live, like, you had to watch those. Like, you had to find out, especially if you were going to be doing a podcast. It was like, bro, what was going on with Curry and all them for so long? And what was going on with LeBron and Luka and LeBron for so long? It's like the less relevance of the late teams and then this rise of the East, which now seemingly is going to be incredibly fun. Like, the fact that I, I was just for fun screwing around the other day and trying to slot them in. Like, when I heard somebody say, I think the 76ers should be the favorite or whatever, right? And then I'm like, all right, well, then you got the Knicks. And the fact that I'm trying to slot in and figure out, like, okay, where am I putting the number one team that won 60 games? Because I'm pretty far down the list. And that was the Pistons. I know, it's crazy. But, I mean, that's how good that, you know, that sideline is. That's how good that side of things have gotten. And so there's twofold. A, I love that the pendulum has swung. And now the Eastern Conference is so deep. And they're with the, with so many stars going over there and not being able to figure out who are going to be the ones that are the big disappointments that made the big swings in the offseason. But maybe even more importantly, that the teams in the West, and especially on the far West Coast, are not absolute must-see, I can't live without. I can't live without knowing what happened in their game the night before. And that is the first time that has been true in, I can't remember how, honestly. Like, you gotta go back three more years? Three warriors, Curry? No, but then, but then the Lakers. Wait, Kobe was in the Lakers. Even before, even before then, yeah. Yeah, so, first of all, I was ready to push back on this thing. Because, because staying up to watch basketball games professionally is like not, you know, I used to have like real jobs. You know what I mean? Like, it's not hard work. But it is annoying. Especially when, like, the team that was down 20 at the half makes a 15-0 run in the third quarter. You're like, oh, goddammit. But still. I mean, during those Warriors years. The West is extremely intriguing. During the Warrior years, you could never go to bed at halftime because the third quarter, they'd bomb everybody out. Well, do you remember when they went there? It was a 17-game win streak? 21-game win streak? I forget the number. But it was like, they were basically like, like a band on tour. Where it's all that, mattered was where they were, who they were playing, and were they going to win or not. But a couple things I want to say. Number one, I don't have this in the rest of the show, so I'll just say it now. If you were to ask me, is a team from the Eastern Conference or the Western Conference going to win the championship next year, I would probably gun to my head, bet on the team from the Western Conference. So the power balance has shifted somewhat. Kawhi, we don't know. Who cares? Whatever. But like, I do still feel like the Spurs and the Thunder, who are going to get their second-best player back, for real, are like the favorites. Wouldn't you say that? Yes. Okay. I mean, certainly. That's why I'm making sure we're on the same page. I mean, I think it's Spurs, Thunder, Knicks. I mean, at the top, and then the rest are, you know, either big or small question marks. You know, we got to see. Yes. Thanks for watching! right we got to see yes and those are the three teams that were massively confident in which by the way eastern conference eastern time zone two central time zone teams yeah all good point and and also like do you remember like as an eastern conference fan my entire life shout to your um larry bird t-shirt yeah shout to legend the west coast road trip was a thing that would kind of like be intimidating it's like well they got this game they got this game tonight against the hornets at home in the garden and then they're going on the west coast road trip and it's the clippers and the lakers and then they go up and they play the kings that'll be a win and then they play the warriors and they go play the blazers like that used to be like a let's hope we you know let's hope we go two and three on that trip oh on the way back you're getting like the thunder and the nuggets like the west coast road trip doesn't feel as intimidating as it used to oh yeah and i mean look and and and and i say this is covering a team that was a a playoff team for like whatever it was seven years in a row or whatever and then obviously had the morant run too like you would build up your record playing against the east yeah that's what that was for you know i mean you would go and be like okay now you got indiana and charlotte and you know orlando and whatever you like that's where you were getting your wins because you're coming back and you're playing houston dallas and san antonio let me tell you my first love let me hear berno we've been doing one show a week and we i feel like we haven't talked as much you know what i mean like i feel like our relationship has changed a little bit doing one show a week you know what i mean you just referenced our show last week i was like i don't remember we talked about like i i feel less close to you and we need to change that that was uh look last that's not my love that's not my love that's not my love do you know my love is the knicks won the championship and nothing else matters oh shut up nothing matters do nothing matters that you're not here the city is absolutely on fire still i still see strangers wearing a knicks t-shirt and they're just like walking by me not even saying hi being like nixon five it's just like what everybody says to each other like it's a it's a new way it's a new salutation just to be like nixon five like this is not changed at all this i have not felt this city be this happy about it even like the eli manning giants and like the yankees won a ton nothing has been like this it's still absolutely ablaze with nicks enthusiasm they made these like cheap t-shirts there was like whoever came out with the first one like they must have printed like a hundred thousand because there's this one version of the knicks championship t-shirt which is just everywhere and people are still wearing them kids wearing them parents wearing them there i had a kid at my house from london yesterday he's 10 years old and he's wearing a knicks t-shirt and he's wearing a he had a brunson jersey on he is from london with an english accent it's just like this city is unlike anything i've ever seen and we're talking about off-season loves like i just love that the priority was like re-sign alvarado re-sign shamit re-sign clarkson get diawara involved yes mitch is gone sorry huck porty's gone i've spent this summer mitchy robinson is not valuable whatsoever even though even though he had the biggest offensive rebound this side of og and adobe well it's uh you can't call it the biggest when you have a caveat right next to it and i'm just like yeah he never really played that much he's injured a lot i was like yeah whatever mitch you know like the trucks are cool but but it's just i just can't express to you because you're not here being here this summer has been unique in my god 30 years with a stint in los angeles of being here it just there's nothing like it it's like don't talk to me about summer league i don't care wait don't talk to me about tyler nickel jack kill bill dale hold on did you live there the whole time you were working at espn yeah i never went to bristol i didn't know that i no there were there were years where i would monday through friday in a hotel in bristol and then come back for the weekend yeah never never lived in bristol you just you've never been to bristol if you go to bristol you understand why i have oh yeah i have but like well no like audition audition and didn't didn't get the part no so is that too much i'm sorry no i don't mind i was a big like i was a big up-and-coming sports talk host whatever it was 20 years ago and so they identified me and wanted to bring me there to meet everybody to walk around to like so i spent the day with mike and mike and then colin wasn't there i think it was uh casillia in the arts casillius or somebody was like filling in yeah yeah and yeah yeah and now and then i was around all day casillius yeah he was like a local yeah connecticut i believe i don't want to like miss i don't remember his career perfectly but he's he was like the guy that like the executives would listen to when they're on their way in because he was a local radio guy well and then i was bring him on and then i was around all of dan's guys all day and met all them and they were great like everybody was super cool and so like i walked around the campus whatever and then i go and i meet with the guy and i i don't mind telling this story i meet with the guy and they're talking to me about what was the guy's name they were doing like night i he was the guy in charge of radio at the time again this is 20 years ago and it's like it was important 20 years ago it was like it was yeah they were offering me weekends and like like talking about a bit about doing weekends and stuff like take we take it dan patrick told me not to true story he he saw your potential and he was threatened no he he heard the voice he heard the takes he was threatened no i would take the gig dude no this is what he told me this at the time he goes you're not going to be able to do this you're not you have a great thing going which i did and he goes if you take that gig they will never see you as anything more nobody's moving from the nights and the weekends to what you want to be and i was like say less i didn't do it yeah and he was like eventually one day you might have the fortune to be partnered with david jacoby on an nba podcast it's exactly he actually said the word for work for work yeah he did say that he told me that story actually yeah he told me that story dan patrick was great to me i love dan patrick i mean honestly and he and he gave me people with negative stories about him he gave me other great advice throughout the years like he was always really good to me but not like that and that was good advice at the time he and and watching it i watched as it went on and nobody that was on nights and weekends ever ended up during the day you know the nights and weekends guy and you also come in at a nights and weekends salary we don't have to do too much like inside baseball right but if you come in at a nights and weekends salary they're never gonna be like you know what let's x that we love this guy it's just not gonna happen you know that's right that's right but when you blow up in memphis and then you're the guy and then they bring you in for a regular spot you get the regular spot salary correct um um all right my first you changed you changed somehow you changed it from the next one the championship because you hated the next one the championship i don't hate you wanted to change the subject i was so happy for you it was unbelievable i asked you if you lived in new york when you worked at espn because i had never even thought of that i figured you just lived in connecticut like everybody else did like don't they live in hartford or something like that i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know some crap yeah west hartford yeah they live in hartford shut to max's oysters yeah but you just never lived there huh interesting there ain't nothing there it's not my lifestyle there's espn that's it right all right uh loads this is easy for me this is uh nba offseason load the second apron and what and now we are really feeling the impact of this right we've seen it over and over again and we've got this weird thing going on right now where you can have this you know you say like the thunder right they got this homegrown talent that's now elsewhere with whether it's lou dort or aaron wiggins or isaiah joe or whatever else obviously the biggest of those is jaylen brown moving to philadelphia this year a choice that they made but these choices are being made because guys are getting paid at a rate now where they're not getting paid at a rate where they're not getting paid at a rate where they're they're making like they might not even be able to be your best player anymore but they're getting paid 60 70 000 and it's almost like or 70 million dollars right that's a weekend rate at espn but i mean so now i do wonder when you've got a smart guy like brad stevens and i said when he was sitting up there i was like you know he might have a point though this is going to be wildly unpopular about team building and can you do this can you have x percentage of your cap into two amazing players that are getting the absolute maximum contracts for being all nba and whatever else and time will tell on that and so now if we put ourselves into a position where even if you do get these two amazing players your only chance is to be have like your best player take a team friendly contract like we did with wimby and i think that's a really good point and i think that's a really good point with wimby this offseason obviously that was a huge brunson story with what he did enabling the Knicks so is that the choice that's going to have to be made and I believe it was Bill that mentioned this in passing several months ago and this is really stuck in my head and I want to get behind this a million percent that in this new era now that we have seen what it has wrought and that teams are going to be consistently losing players and fans are going to be losing guys that they you know maybe even role players right as soon as they get good as soon as it's time to pay them now we got to move on and we got to replace them with more cheap salaries and then we got to make another if god forbid you draft three really good ones now we're having to choose between those three right now we're having to choose between those three or whatever and it's like I and this is what I want to get by they have to implement and I think this fixes it when you think about through the prism of the fans you get a discount on guys you draft end of story it counts less against the cap whether that's 10 which would be a huge number right but that you're six million dollars sure well it is now well that's a player now and that's a player for some of these teams that's players 11 through 15 now honestly because 11 through 15 it's 8 through 15 no no no no no no I'm saying that's what all of them get paid combined is six million dollars honestly like that's a lot of teams um because what they're doing is they're just drafting or they're bringing in undrafted or they're bringing up g league guys or they're converting their two ways whatever to fill out those roster spots because everything you know your salary is so top heavy so but but if you did that for all your guys right and now all of a sudden you that's everything they wanted to take place they want these teams to be able to build through the draft to be homegrown and whatever else and so there has to be a way where these guys that you can pay your own players but if you drafted them and you develop them it counts whatever it is 10 less on your cap while they're still getting paid the full now if they go elsewhere and if they go elsewhere then you don't get that break anymore and whatever you attain don't you don't get that break but I do I feel like that's the way because otherwise there's just going to be such extreme player movement and these teams like you're never going to be able to have longer than a two-year run I mean I think that's your max I think you're really like two years and then then the decisions have to be made or enough guys are going to have to break up from it or whatever else unless you've got a bunch of young guys on cheap salaries which is what we just talked about you know regarding this the Spurs right and and and when I made that point during the season you might have to be young you know going forward obviously the vets are the ones that want it this year but going forward that may be the way is to just have three or four guys that are just wildly outperforming their competition contracts because they're on their rookie deals because by the time it's time to pay them everybody's getting 200 million dollars if you're worth a crap if you don't have three or four rotation players that are worth more than their salary then you are not going to be a contender right it's pretty much that simple and there should not be a world in which you draft Victor Wimbenyama, Steph Castle, and Dylan Harper and before Dylan Harper's rookie year is over we're sitting here being like well what's going to happen in the future? they're going to have to make a decision like that's gross it makes me just like I don't even like talking about I know it's like you made three great draft picks in a row yeah and now we're talking about well how are they going to sustain this and I'm just going to go into one of my lows I was going to do later because I don't want to talk about Wemby all the time but one of my lows is that Wemby took less you know I've got a complicated history with Wemby people listen to mismatch know that I've been not liked Wemby since like pre-season last year you know what I mean no put your cigarette away put your cigarette away I can't find it no one can see it and he's looking for his stupid friend's cigarette I can't find it let me make my point because I'm I listen everyone knows I have some complicated history with Victor Wimbenyama but I will say this is I respect him as a basketball player I respect him as a competitor I respect his work ethic and I respect and I understand I recognize him as one of the best basketball players in the National Basketball Association he will win multiple MVPs and hopefully for him multiple championships right um that's me being nice I don't think someone from their rookie year to their second deal that's the big deal that second contract who won defensive player of the year should have to take close to 50 million dollars less to keep the team competitive and then you read the articles it was like well Tim Duncan did it for the Spurs for the Spurs culture well guess what Tim Duncan had already made tons of money won championships and he made those concessions like to ask someone who's going into their what is it going into their fourth year in the league be like listen for us to win even though we went to the finals for and we beat the champions last year in game seven and you had a huge part of that for us to win you're gonna have to take less like they didn't ask him he did that on his own you know he did that oh stop it oh stop it and also he said he yes I think he walked in the room and said you know what guys like whatever you guys put in front of me I'm just gonna sign because I have such faith in the organization I just load the fact we paid his market value he's not getting paid his market value on his second deal and Jalen Brunson who knows what happened there but he was also a second round pick he was not like an a1 number one option all NBA guy when he signed that deal to do that to the future face of the league like one of the guys to have him to go into a meeting with him and be like the the contracts are such that we could pay you x but we're gonna pay you x minus y is not fair they they he ended up signing for 252 million dollars over five years 25 the max you just don't like that he could have gotten 303 million dollars you just don't like it the Brunson's no longer the guy be honest oh and also the guy that took last year to be good I'm trying to make this a positive winby segment all right so I'm gonna keep this up and I'm not gonna say anything like that wait wait till you find out that he's now part owner of a Rhode Island soccer team yeah he's gonna show up with Siegel and stables hats and some twists off the off season all right when the sun goes down the appetizers come out yeah you heard that right late night half price appetizers are here at Applebee's saucy sweet and spicy boneless wings crispy cheesy mozzarella sticks creamy spinach and choked dip your favorite apps half price available every single night because why should appetizers have curfews tap the banner to learn more dining only for a limited time at participating locations restrictions apply copyright 2026 Applebee's restaurant LLC fan duel is now available everywhere in the U.S. so you can get in on the sports action no matter where you are including those places make this your most rewarding season ever with fan age and location restrictions apply product availability varies by market see fanduel.com for eligibility gambling problem call 1-800 gambler let's get to uh my second love underrated acquisition all right so this was the summer of LeBron and Jalen Brown and Giannis and LaBello and all these guys but some of the things I like so I was going through all the teams and what they did I love this right now I was gonna say that I love this as one of your loves and I'm excited to hear it go the Hawks have a bunch of good players now so they got Devin Carter who I liked out of the draft and it's just been like you know doing nothing in Sacramento like it's been in witness protection but I liked him coming out of the draft um his dad was an assistant coach for the Grizzlies at the time uh it was a long time ago um Aaron Wiggins Lou Dort Ryan Nemhard I really liked him for Dallas last year yeah I think starting with Carter was a bit of a slow play but yeah I think I think door no you know and then they got and then they got Kingston Flemings and Zuby and then uh the the tall kid from uh North Carolina right uh visar or whatever his name was too like they did pretty good in the draft where they looked like hit on three different guys there then they got these guys and they were already pretty good they got off a recent they didn't give up really anything and I like it just feels like they could really be like the deep try hard team that's like better than like they're like all these other teams have bigger stars but that like the Hawks are actually really good because they just got a bunch of good players um obviously so then when I was going through it here's some other underrated ones I think the Bridges one went a little bit under the radar simply because lamello went to uh went to but miles bridge is going to phoenix who had a yeah they had a good season last year kelly upre to indiana kelly upre had a sneaky good season last year oh hell yeah i mean a lot of opportunity to have a good season because they were running out some lineups when they were all injured or whatever i got it but i mean like someone's gonna get 20 they play that space and pace and space thing at indiana you know they're flying up and down the court and halliburton will get you good shots you just got to knock them down yeah if halliburton's got the ball and you're on the wing you don't go to the cup you just go to the if you're kelly uber you just go to the go to the three-point wing and you're good also i'm gonna give you one that is so far under the radar it's unbelievable do you know deandre ayton is a wizard yes i do know that which is again i've always hated deandre ayton but he said always hated but when he was when he was when the when the sun oh no okay okay i take it when they were up to nothing yeah he was fine then great games we were like we're like oh yeah number one pick for sure i was fine with him then but but the rest of the time he has played like he wears airpods when he plays but if he's my backup and like my you know little ad insurance i was like you know what he's actually in a spot that it's a weird spot for sure but i mean he ain't playing in front of sar and ad so it's like do you ever play in front of sar and ad so it's like do you ever play in front of sar and ad so deandre ayton is my backup it's pretty good you know what i mean um and trey young will get you if you are over 610 and semi-competent trey young will get you three buckets a game and then obviously the greatest and most underrated acquisition in the history of team sports is isaiah stewart i knew you were gonna say i mean what are we talking about it's not what are we even talking about what are we even talking about yep all right go to your go to your next my next love all right i've already i've changed my order here all right i'm gonna do this one the chicago bulls are going to be this year's hornets oh gosh how first of all there's 150 players that are like quote-unquote starters in the nba and if you look at any team starting five they're all kind of like sucker free like even like the nets you're like i don't know man they got randall and porter jr i like that choman kid they're like the bulls yay yay yay yay gore second year lead yeah yay gore joman if he was just igor demon i would love him so much more but anyway josh giddy norm powell bruzilis caleb wilson rude rejuvenated nick claxton rejuvenated i like nick claxton i don't know what's that ty jones okoro swain jalen smith patrick williams oh that got dark quick the starting five i like the starting five i started by saying the starting five no giddy powell bruzilis wilson is terrible is it are you sure it's i mean it's fun to watch caleb wilson are you sure that's terrible norm powell since he went to the clippers since he left the country of canada something about canada he was an all-star last year norm no that's what i'm saying like norm powell's been like a 20 point a game guy with the clippers and in the with the heat giddy's a table setter and then bruzilis wilson claxton like that's terrible you're saying it's terrible i think they will be fun to watch because of wilson and that's where it ends yes i think they're gonna be awful awful it's my opinion it's just my opinion it did the lead that that the easter conference is awesome awesome it's and as soon as you got to player six i was like it's tough it's like remember jalen smith remember jalen smith he's there do i ever all right uh my next load i i'm gonna do this one quick because i don't want to spend a lot of time on this one i'm gonna do this one quick because i don't want to spend a lot of time the never-ending clipper story so what we're doing 2027 now is that what we're doing the latest headline is like this is gonna take longer what 2027 i watched that last pablo torre podcast because i was like all right what's that what now bro i love pablo i'm not watching that shit i need someone else to watch it's like a movie so it's like a movie it's gotta come out someone needs to watch it and tell me it's great and then i'll watch it but he teases it online with these little like tomorrow we got an episode dropping got an update on the i watched it oh i love pablo that's a friend of mine until someone tells me it's good i'm out bro they said they said that that's why i made the the rhode island soccer team joke because him and uncle dennis have a stake in this right they have a stake in the rhode island soccer team and it's like i watched the whole damn thing and it kind of gets the editor like not a hundred percent if this is nefarious but it's worth looking into and i'm just thinking to myself the next morning adam silver and them have to be like are you serious right now yeah we're gonna we're gonna avoid that 200 million dollar contract because of a rhode island soccer team first of all the nouns in that sentence rhode island no one even knows where it is ask somebody in idaho where rhode island is like is that is it a road on an island and this soccer team like soccer like soccer there was the world cup left every flew away yep it's in paul it's in paul tuckett paul tuckett the paul socks that's where the the minor league team for the uh the red sox yeah no longer there hold on a second speaking of minor league they're they're worse have we talked about you versus joey joey chestnut i don't think so uh you gotta i'm gonna put 45 seconds on the clock go um so competed against joey chestnut in uh that was one of the things i did this summer in an eating contest we're eating barbecue nachos which were like truly disgusting because that's awful because pork on there yeah but look i love barbecue nachos but because you can't like he can't eat with speed like with chips with the throat thing like you could cut up your throat pretty good doing that so it had to be soggy so imagine the chips yeah so the barbecue and the cheese and everything had been on there for hours so it was just it's just slop you know i mean you know and yeah oh i mean buddy i was looking out of the corner of my eye and he ate the whatever five pounds of it in i think it was what is that 45 seconds you're 45 seconds are up yeah in two two minutes and 12 seconds that's how long he ate him and i was like thank god i don't know if i almost threw up twice terrible but i'm glad i did it and let me just say this i just want to let everybody know this i was around this guy the entire night this guy number one is crazy famous but took every picture signed every autograph he was so nice to everyone and i know he was getting a lot of the times like you have a special guest like that they'll go and like hide out in their dressing room when they're not having to do their meet and greet or whatever they're not having to do their meet and their performances or whatever no he was in the mix the whole time like with people what he was great he i i was mega impressed he was the nicest guy joey chest you know do you know who i learned that from jalen anthony rose we could be late to we'll be late to a live show someone will be like i know you're famous can i take a picture he'll stop take a picture he's like just never take it for granted oh everybody he's like everybody everybody asked him for a picture but also do not take a picture of jalen rose if you did not ask that's not that's that's fair all right so i didn't really hear your joey chestnut story because i just realized that on the zoom you put your name as el verno diablo it's a little distracting i don't want to know the story of el verno diablo let's just get to your you don't no you no you will no you will love this my yard guy the guy cuts my yard sergio he only calls me diablo he doesn't think i've heard this before he doesn't know my name that's that's the best that's the greatest relationship he's never known my name and it's because that was my name on cash app or whatever it was when i first spent the money it was our screen name me and my son when we had to make a video screen so how do you want how do you want me to pay you he's like um do you have only fans yeah oh they it's always it's always it's always cash app or zell or it's never yeah it's never anything on the books um uh anyway the never-ending clippers thing and it's like it's awful i don't care anymore wake us up in 2027 yeah and then once the ruling comes out the appeal is just like i don't care okay put him on the raptors i don't care put him on the rap all right you're big buddies with pablo right like this guy is like one of your best friends in the world so not one of the best ones i didn't see him two weeks ago on saturday ryan holmes house but yes okay so do this just say next time you're with him since you're around them say pablo just unleash it all because you're the one doing this just drop it all out that way they can do their goofy investigation and then we can be done with this but they know that the second they make a ruling he's gonna drop another damn podcast you know they do they're like it's just ridiculous that like a law firm that they've paid hundreds of millions of dollars to are waiting for like my buddy from espn to release a podcast all right your next load this is emotional the warriors missing out in lebron and like i do like yaxl nothing else of significance they lost quentin post to your stupid grizzlies i they brought back green melton horford payton but they're like like what is this team i cannot believe you said you like i hate yaxl more than any player i've hated in the last 10 years oh good really truly that whole that when he beat the grizzlies in summer league and then was like some people are built for it and some people i was like oh i can't stand because draymond's gonna retire at some point so you can just transfer that to yaxl think draymond's gonna beat him up in training camp i'm just like i just don't it's a thing where it's like i don't feel a certain way about a player staying with a team their entire career and i just feel like we are at the twilight of steph's career let's put him on a competitive team do the right thing if you're the one you are not competitive totally fair all right uh next love the new coaches i am actually uh so we got dusty may in dallas that's super fun to keep the coach then he was the michigan coach now he's coaching in the nba he's the new uh you know the new hot thing he is a draft in his own player over his own player and he's got cooper flag there in the mix and it's just different and it's fun and it's fun to see how he ends up you got this gruff uh sean sweeney guy who media guys love who was running the defense at san antonio and that orlando operation was such a joke to watch last year with five guys just standing around all the time like they've got jenkins they've got jenkins you mentioned earlier but they've got talent there in orlando for sure they have talent that they were supposed to be on the come up so we'll see how much a coach can if you look at what orlando did this offseason they're basically like yeah we switch coaches like we we think that was the problem and then he got the pelicans job jamal mosley did then you've got as you mentioned whatever's happening in new orleans is just like that's that's just it's it's bizarre i know then you've got taylor jenkins in milwaukee and then you've got the whole portland chicago thing with mike taking over portland on a one-year contract when he's going to try to bring john morant off the bench and then you've got tiago splitter who was the guy that was ousted after doing what everybody thought was a very noble job in portland taking over that chicago team that you're weirdly in love with so this is a good deal we got six new coaches and they're all interesting in some way you know i mean it's not always liked micah nori's personality i'm not going to act like i'm in the meetings and like practices to understand what he does with like x's and o's but like he's always been like oh micah nori's doing the interview i'm gonna listen to it you know what i mean no he's good he's mega likable he is no but i like the crop i mean it's six new ones and i think that some of them could make big improvements with those teams for sure we just had a coach improvement last year with the knicks that ended up reaping them a championship so i don't know if that is the championship i don't know if that's possible for any of these i don't know i'm gonna say no i'm gonna put a hard no i'm gonna say absolutely not there's none of those but could one of these and we also just saw it with phoenix which everybody thought was gonna suck and that coaching myself included really transformed them it did that jordan not did an amazing job so these are ones to really like keep an eye on because i'd say highest upside would be orlando wouldn't you say i think yeah i think sweeney and orlando if he's good we don't know if he's gonna be good as the head man he's obviously got a good track record as a great assistant but you never know until they get the the big job they got players they got talent that's a good one to be on the born from the intensity of a night in the eternal city introducing born in roma fragrances by valentino feminine perfume donna born in roma features juicy black currant central jasmine soft cashmere and warm vanilla masculine leaning but unisex womo has notes of fresh violet leaf aromatic sage green vetiver and mineral salt shop holiday gifts at macy's.com come up one of the things i loved about this off season is that lebron surprised that's like it was a surprise you know i was doing i was producing game over in the middle of the show rich gets up from the chair in a now famous clip leaves to take a phone call comes back and he's like they just announced lebron to the sixers and i was just like i thought i was in a fever dream yeah i'm watching the zoom live i was just like the sixers that first shams tweet i was like i i checked it three times and it's like if you're a sixer fan shout out chris ryan and greenwald you're like ben dietrich you're like so traded paul george's contract added shaylen brown lebron james dean wade anthony simons phylon who knows yeah and we lost like kelly ubre and not much drummond like andre drum like that's a huge upgrade to a team enormous offseason beat the celtics in the in the postseason like and it looked like a team about those players you added it because and and to even put it into more context the they looked stuck because they had this awesome backcourt but they got this paul george thing weighing them down it's like they can't move paul george not only did they move but they not only did they move paul george they moved him for the guy that got fifth in mvp yeah and i'm looking at all the reports it's like well the might like the cleveland thing is done the miami thing is done the warriors thing is done it's like well could draymond's clutch and he always didn't sign his contract and and then it's like well you know the james harden didn't sign his contract yet somebody's definitely going to cleveland like i i was misled i if you were if you were to time travel me back a couple weeks and be like power rank the teams where you think lebron is going i think i would probably have the sixers at five four for sure it was fun and now i'm looking at this team being like i could see them winning the championship i could see it i'm not going to predict it but i could see it i'm not going to belabor this one either because my third load is the the of the nba offseason is this whole dundon story i just listened to varier on bill's podcast and obviously i've been i've been reading this stuff i loathe so much that this guy won the stanley cup carolinas hurricanes like i really do like the fact that he has proof the fact that he has proof of concept is the worst thing ever because this is just like these are real people they're real people that work there and like have loved that team and have given their lives and their fandom for that team and so like whether it's the fan base or frankly the people that have worked for portland for so many years and now this guy comes in and he's like yeah we're not paying for this we're not paying for that and you're taking a huge fake cut you're taking a huge fake cut and oh yeah by the way make sure you print on both sides of the paper and like all this stuff and the fact that he can lay back be like and it works look what i've done in carolina it's like oh it's the worst it's the worst some people will for sure live their entire life based on one success this reminds me of like the guy from counting grows that dated jennifer anston and then dated every other hot actress in hollywood it was like the mr jones guy is like the hottest dude in hollywood right now because he had one success he had one success with the panthers it was like well he knows how to do it right print on both sides of the paper he said that on midget on on your podcast game over he said that i guess i should start printing on both sides of the paper because you probably fell asleep probably fell asleep listening to him talk about his cost-cutting measures i'm gonna move on before i get in trouble so we do this podcast twice a week during the regular season and around the trade deadline there was an obvious like should the pistons get marketed should they make a move should they get a second creator a second score dennis jenkins is great but like you know should they do something and i remember saying into this very microphone that this is an evaluation year for the pistons and i remember saying to this very are and then address those in the offseason. I loathe the fact that there has been a lot of data and I test stuff that we saw in the postseason that they clearly have some weaknesses and some things to address in the offseason and none of it got addressed. Let me present to you Isaiah Joe and John Collins and a disgruntled center who has not signed his contract yet. They're losing Tobias Harris who if you've watched any playoff games in the last two years was a huge part of what they did. They did need shooting so you know Isaiah Joe can help there but I just feel like there was some article that came out of like a week ago saying Cade Cunningham tried to like basically recruit everybody and none of it worked. Like he was out there trying to help them too. Do you remember the story from last off season where Cade Cunningham and Jalen Dern went to a cottage in the middle of nowhere and like left their phones and just like vibed for a week and that's why they had such a good on-court chemistry? I like that. Now the story from this offseason is Cade Cunningham has been blocked by every major star in the NBA and we get text messages through. I'll take you to a cottage. But I'm telling you man like the this team like you got to remember how you felt in the moment like going into the playoffs. I was like this is a championship contender. They're dangerous. They're dangerous. They're the number one seed in the east that includes the Knicks and the Celtics and all it's like number one seed and now I look at them like where would you power rank them in the east right now? I mean assuming that they work something out with Jalen Dern. I mean that's how I started the show who again who is their second best player and it's Jalen Dern who is pissed like every other day. It's going to sign for less than he feel like he's worth and he's not going to be in a cottage with Cade Cunningham. He's like unless that cottage is full of dollar bill that make up with that cottage is full of aspiration contracts that I'm not going there probably made by trees cut down by aspiration my last love so in the absence of the NBA and frankly NBA news I have found myself a few different times tuning in including on Sunday I tuned in to watch the W NBA and I watched Olivia miles is my Olivia miles. I knew it was going to be living miles. I knew the second you said that in Sunday I was like I saw it too. Okay, so let me just say number one. She's like Kyrie bro. She is so fun to watch. She is so fun to watch and beyond that the hair and the glasses. It's just it's the whole package. And do you know she has their fans of the links that like I guess part of the fan base that calls her this that she's we have lamented in years past that like the great nickname has kind of gone by the wayside, right? Like there's not as many great nicknames as there used to be bro. There's a portion of their fan base that call her I I would put up there with it's one of the greatest nicknames I've ever heard in my life and I don't know why everybody has not caught on and it's just not a thing. Do you know what they call her? Do you even know? Have you even heard it? I guess they call her some other thing. You know, somebody will call her magic miles or somebody call her this whatever. No the spectacle. Oh my God. I mean, oh my God with the glasses and her game like the spectacle is one of the greatest nicknames I've ever heard in my life. How is everybody not on board with like making her the spectacle Olivia miles? I do want to say that just minutes ago we mentioned beef stew. So I want to put that out there that the nickname is not over but like it has dried up a bit from years past and decades past. But the spectacle the spectacle with the spectacles. It's just perfect. The spectacle Olivia miles. I'm like dude as somebody should get so far behind this. It's unbelievable because as soon as I heard that I was like, oh, that is unbelievable. It makes you so much cooler too. And she she is awesome. God, she's fun to watch. She might win rookie of the year and MVP by the way, which is very that's insane. I mean, like I think two NBA guys have ever done it. I think it was it was wilt and magic. No, no. Wes on sell. It's got to be old. Yeah. And I just want to say about Wes Unseld. He was euro stepping. It wasn't like managing nobly invented this thing. Like it's not a euros that Wes Unseld was euro stepping through traffic in transition in like 1959 or whatever. Also great bar bet. Wes Unseld was on the last Washington Wizards team that won 50 games which Washington Bullets team Washington Bullets team. That's seems absolutely impossible. Just the idea that the league on a team called the Bullets is also impossible in D.C. Yeah. The spectacle is brilliant. Yeah, so good. What a great nickname. And they doesn't roll off the tongue, but it's kind of like the answer. It's like, yeah, it's a little like you can't really like say it. Yeah, I know. And look you can't make the spectacle go into the lane, but like no, it's just like the answer. It'll stick in that way. You say she is the spectacle. The spectacle. Yeah. After she makes a bucket when she's got an and one, she's walking to the line. Yes. With glasses and look, I mean, look, the NBA does not get by the WNBA does not get anything behind anything positive and cool, but they could be a discourse. That's what I'm like. Time out, everybody. Reset. Like you ever go to your Instagram like a reset my algorithm. Like I just want to reset the WNBA discourse and be like, focus on basketball, please, because there's good basketball being played here. Can we do that? God. Oh, your last love. Anyway, last love. This story just like popped up. There's a guy named Nikesh Aurora. I don't know who he is. He owns some cricket team in London. Got some people to get some rich people doing rich people stuff. But he's like, I got a billion dollars in this NBA Europe team. And I was like, oh, yeah, NBA Europe. Like it was like a rumor. And now they're trying to launch it like 2027, which is less than half a year away. It says it says right here. I was shocked when I read this. It said like, oh, wait, the quote, the NBA has targeted the latter half of 2027 as the launch of the inaugural NBA Europe season. Now, is it going to be great basketball? I don't know. But like, I'm long on this league. I think it'll take a decade to build. It won't be like NFL Europe. You're old enough to remember that. You're my age. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that just flopped. This is going to be this is going to work. And the quality of player you're going to get early on is not good. You're going to get Quinton Cook. Remember him? Oh, no, they're getting good players because they're trying to take good guys. You're going to get trying to change it. International basketball. Yeah. But I think over time, I am very bullish on NBA Europe. And I think that like literally right now in the summertime, in the offseason, that we'll be like, hey, guess what? It's London against Barcelona tonight. I'll tune into that. Yep. I'm with it. Why not? And I don't think it'll happen overnight. I think it'll happen in 2036 when we're on the mismatch and I'm still in a closet surrounded by massage parlors who I saw some clients coming out of today. We'll be like, oh, we'll be doing NBA Europe game recounts. Recaps. My last load. All right. This has nothing to do with the NBA, but it does. My last load has nothing to do with the NBA. I'm so excited to hear this. It does have to do with the fact that we are in the offseason because this was about the NBA offseason. How ridiculously out of it I am on TV and movies. So it doesn't show up until everything dies down. And I do watch like Cardinal baseball games like during this whatever, but I just told you I was watching the WNBA over the weekend. I watched that golf tournament like I just I pretty much just watch sports. That's all I really watch. And then I'll like if I've got downtime, I'll flip on something on Netflix. Or whatever. But then when we get to the offseason, everybody starts talking about all the movies and they start talking about like there'll be a podcast about obsession and then there'll be a podcast about this obsession. Bro, I listened there on my on a grind city media. The show before me today had two guys ranking the 11 Spider-Man movies. I saw Spider-Man over the weekend. I've never seen any of them. Oh, my God. I feel bad about that one. Like, I'll give you an example. I watch that Idaho murders thing on Netflix. Oh, hell yeah. I know no information in there. They're like, hey, maybe someone else did it. But at the end, spoiler alert, same guy you thought did it, did it. Yeah. When also I watch toxic love story today. Okay. Yeah. No, but I was told to. So I do watch like some of the true crime stuff, whatever. But it doesn't happen to me until I get to the offseason where everybody's talking about movies and tv and i'm like oh god i i just don't even know what you're talking about like i don't want i and i and then it feels too daunting because i'm so people are like you need to get into this show it's in its fourth season i'm like so you have to watch behind 30 hours of television before i catch up to you guys like no everything i'm big on right now bro i'm a house of the dragon fiend i listen to the midnight boys talk about it i listen to talk the thrones talk about it i listen to concepcion in the original podcast about i watch an hour show and listen to like six hours of podcasts about it afterwards you know what that was one of my the thing i did last summer is i went through and i watched all the white lotuses and then oh i went back and listened to all the podcasts and i did quite enjoy that i liked doing that they're filming season four right now that was the one carter got sent home from france that was the one i did watch i did watch that one last summer but i i even now like i just feel like i don't even know what to choose i just i always look stuff up and then i'm like yeah i don't i'm so far behind i can't sometimes it's like some big buzzy show that everyone's talking about you watch the first episode you're like i don't i don't i don't see it i will i will say i will say this i i've been to the theater twice this summer which is good uh because i rarely i i've seen toy story five and the other one is like the other one is like the other one is like the other one is like the odyssey which are two good ones to go right that's pretty good i got an odyssey story very quick i bought tickets like six weeks ago to the lincoln square place with the 70 millimeters the place where i saw the premiere the big theater with the i'm just like christopher nolan designed this theater for this movie bought tickets for my son and i six weeks before the movie came out it was on thursday july 30th at 2 p.m wednesday july 29th i opened up my app the tickets were tuesday july 28th no and my son was right there and i had to tell him and he hasn't seen it for yesterday and he hadn't seen it oh this is an origin story it really is oh my god yeah and then he lost his mind so i bought tickets to alamo draft house which is a great theater 2 p.m on thursday great theater had great time great seats great screen great everything the app however if you want to order something i was getting a coke zero a beer and nachos right and the user interface is add items it doesn't say check out just add items so i'm clicking that didn't add the items i'm going back click on it again i'm not checking out yet i'm not no checkout button all right next thing you know someone shows up with three beers and three coke zeros and three nachos and then five minutes later someone else shows up with one beer one coke zero and one nachos no and then five minutes later someone else shows up with one beer one coke zero and one nachos this is finally i was like i i'm not paying a thousand dollars to watch this fucking movie i went back i'm not drinking six beers in three hours in a movie theater frat party so i had to go back to be like i'll drink two beers we'll have two coke zeros and i'm not drinking six beers in three hours and one nachos and the people that worked there were so cool they were like yeah we get it happens all the time so i gave them 40 they took like 120 off my bill and everybody ended up happy they actually gave me some free stuff to be honest with you but it was just too much it's like i just my dumb ass thought add items made like add items to the cart and every five minutes someone's walking down in the middle of an important movie with another beer and another coke zero and another nachos i was just like oh my god they're like these guys are going through it yeah and my son i'm like i didn't order five beers for a movie i just want to have like two it's a three-hour add item i like add item oh god because you just add item means to the cart and then you check out from the cart if you go to an alamo draft house i don't know this means add items all right last one for are you thumbs up on the spider-man it wasn't like it's not like an odyssey experience where it's like wow that movie changed my life it's a good movie i enjoyed it the night before i don't like nerd out over like avengers movies so the night before i watched the previous spider-man movie this one was much better than the previous spider-man movie which i hadn't seen before i have i have watched all the batman i've watched all those so i guess i haven't seen the robert i haven't seen the robert pattinson batman i've tried on two planes and fell asleep each time dude it's good i love zoe kravitz too it's dark it's literally dark like i felt it is it is dark yeah but it's kind of it's different that one's different but i did like it just i'm gonna watch that one yeah all right it's long it's long as hell it's like my final i'm gonna get on the therapy couch again if you don't mind go ahead so you ever like book travel let me get my wimpy nama cigarette yeah get that get that i'm gonna make this as short as i can you know when you book travel and you're like yeah i get the flight out is so important but the flight back like oh look 6 a.m that'll be fine whatever and then when that day comes like i can't believe i agreed to a 6 a.m flight back from a bachelor party you know what i mean like yes it's just like the pre-planning like the thing that happens tomorrow is so important but the thing that happens in like four or five days is not important i'm that way like i'm like a shark i can only see like a week in front of me and in february my wife is like quincy always wanted to go on this trip in an rv we're gonna go to la for a week catch up with some family and friends and then we're gonna drive to denver in an rv we're gonna rent in los angeles we're gonna go to like some canyons and grand canyon and it's like hit the southwest and route 66 it's the 100 year anniversary route 66 i mean how much is it she's like this much i'm like all right let's do it that was february it's like snowing out it's happening in like two weeks you're doing la stuff i can do but imagine me driving for five and a half hours through a desert in an rv with four kids and my wife and then sleeping on the ground in a tent don't work doing it the next day to go look at the grand canyon i like to do stuff i don't like to look at stuff like i looked at the washington monument i'm like yeah it's like the fucking pictures i can move on in 30 seconds the grand canyon i've been to before it's like yeah there it is it's huge looks like the pictures it's a big old canyon let me get a selfie in front of it and move on it's a 45 second experience for me like the idea that i agreed to this and now that it's coming up is absolutely insane and then before that here's the kicker are they excited about it yeah oh very excited okay and then and then tomorrow you're listening on tuesday wednesday dad has a bad attitude about it oh wednesday you're listening on tuesday wednesday my wife flies to europe to hang out with her friends for two weeks so i've got three of the four kids by myself for two weeks and then i fly with three of the four kids to los angeles where she meets us oh no so i'm single dadding for three weeks and then driving like it like a chauffeur through a desert for five days that's my summer vacation and it's all my fault i don't even have anybody to blame i agreed to this willingly this was presented to me in february and i'm like yeah done no problem and now that it's here i'm just like were you drunk or in bed no i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know when this is agreed insanity i need to bleed insanity no when this was agreed to i just don't care i'm not drunk or in bed i just i'm just like whatever that makes you happy cool because it's literally five months away you've already been you you figured it would just pass it would pass yeah i'm like i'm like i'm watching a knicks game being like i gotta take notes because i gotta talk to verno about this tonight there's no no way this actually gets planned i have no foresight i just have no it's this is a me problem it's not a her problem or my family problem i did this to myself but i agreed to this and i'm single parent of three children for two weeks and then i take those three kids including a one and a half year old fly to los angeles oh six hour flight and then drive six hours a day around the southwest so we can look at fucking canyon this is good it's gonna be look and obviously we got a tent on the ground no you're gonna make unbelievable memories that's what's gonna happen to kobe i spoke with joe house earlier today about this you're gonna remember this forever and he said he's like what are you doing i would never do that i was like the kids won't remember what a great friend no he's honest this is a terrible terrible situation i mean if my wife doesn't listen to mismatch she's never gonna listen to this this is disgusting what i've done to myself no that's i i don't understand how this was ever agreed to i pay money for this we went to like the bahamas to like a resort with a casino in a water park two years ago buddy and now we're like i'm driving around in the desert running out of gas in an rv here's the problem you can't you can't you gotta find like a you gotta find a therapist like that that ain't got kids because you can't be talking to me in house about this stuff because we got kids and it's like no that ain't it and the worst part i talked to house today he was like no he's like don't do it no bro you have no idea i'm so pot committed right now and it's happening and the worst part and you know this feeling too the worst part is being dad that's pissed off. Everybody else is fine, but Dad's pissed off. Everyone's happy. Everybody's happy, but Dad's pissed off. I've been there. It's terrible. I'm just going to fake it. It's terrible. I'm going to fake smile on. This is all. I'm going to cry now. End of the show. This sucks. Fuck. End of the show. I'll see you next week. This is a mismatch. Thanks to Jesse. Come on, do your thing. Thank you to Jeff, Jesse, Steph, everybody that helps with the show. Oh, my God. Jacoby, I'm sorry. We'll be back next week. Oh, my God. Maybe. Fox News coverage of Democracy 26 is streaming live on Fox 1. Stream your midterm election coverage from the Fox News voices you trust in the days leading up to November 3rd. Live on Election Day and in the days after. Don't miss breaking election news as it happens. Expert analysis of every pivotal race. Crucial conversations and more. When America decides the balance of power, turn to the voices you trust. 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