Love Risking My Life For a Bad Bunny Album

[MUSIC] Welcome to Love You to the Core podcast hosted by Zanthi and Frank Applayard, where the boundaries between business and pleasure simply do not exist. Every episode is your permissions left to bring your whole self to the table, trusting your community to love you, anyway. We'll go first. [MUSIC] Hello and welcome back to Love You to the Core podcast. Hello. I'm Zanthi. I'm Frank. I'm so glad you're here. I'm so glad I'm here too. Not you, the listener. Oh. I'm glad you're here as well. I'm glad that they're here. Thanks for making it. Thanks for being here. We haven't even talked about this. We can have an on-air meeting. But next week, next week's recording, I'll be in London. Yes, you will. Are we going to do one together? Or am I going to do one solo? Or am I going to do with a special guest? I mean, you do have a very special guest available to you. I know. So maybe I'll see if she wants to do with me. I think you probably should. We should see if you're able to pack everything. I get a check bag. Oh, you do. Oh. Hell, yeah. Well, it's a good opportunity. It might be. OK. Of course. Worst case, we could record one together when you're back. Yeah. So do you almost say, "verse case"? "verse case"? I like that. I didn't. I don't know what the heck almost came out of my mouth. I don't know where you're going with that. A reversed case. Yeah, I like that. A little Dracula action. Well, where was Dracula supposed to be from? Transylvania? Yes. OK. Is that true? I believe so. Someone please let me know. Which is in Romania? OK. Is that correct? I love it. I love it. Not big on my Dracula geography. No, I think. I feel like some people are really in Dracula. I have been recently getting sucked into, like, Twilight core. Oh. Somewhat related to Dracula because they are vampires. But I do feel like we almost forget that Dracula is the original. He started it all. He is the OG-- Respects to Dracula. Yes. But yeah, I've been getting so-- Loads of vampires. It's funny because I'm not a Twilight fan. Like, I was never really into Twilight, but I've been getting so much Twilight content fed to me. I think because I am closely following the press tour for the drama with it and also the press tour for Dune, which includes Robert Panson. And even just generally, Robert Panson is really having a moment. I don't know if you've seen-- Is that your phone? Making a noise. Yeah. What do you do? I'm so sorry. He's scrolling in the middle of my monologue. I'm not scrolling. I'm preparing. Oh, you have to-- something to share with us. I have many things to share on this episode. OK. OK. But music? No. Oh, that was just an accident. That was accidental. I was excited. But yeah, I've been sucked into the drama-- the drama of the drama. Do you know anything about it? No, nothing. Oh my gosh. OK. So it's Zendaya and Robert Panson. Yes. It's funny. The way she's a one-nameer, and I was just going to call him-- just Robert. And yeah, it seems really good. I think it's basically the premise that's like they are about to get married. And there's a game that goes down with a group of friends or something, and it's kind of like a what's the worst thing that you've ever done. Moment. OK. And she confesses something that really changes the entire course of their-- it changes the way that he sees her, I guess. And so the whole premise of it is like-- it's a lot of it is along this concept of unconditional love and kind of past-- I don't know. There's a lot of morality questions within it. I'm pretty sure the thing that she planned-- I don't want this to be a spoiler, but I think it's online now. I think you can find it online. It's like a school shooting. Oh. So apparently, it's just really-- yeah, just opening up a lot of dialogue and a lot of conversation. And I've heard from folks that I keep seeing all these posts that are like, you have to see this in theaters, because if you see it in theaters, basically, it's like-- people are saying this is the reason why movies were made to be watched in theaters is because movies like this, there are like audible reactions from the crowd that kind of happen collectively. So everyone together is like gas, but everyone together is laughing, everyone together is crying. And then everyone turns and starts talking each other at the end of the movie. And it's like this really like, yeah, it seems like a really cool experience. So I've just been following it really closely. I get weird about that with movies where I become obsessed with them, but I don't watch them. I have no plans to go see it. I would see it. I would like to see it. But I don't actively have plans to see it. But I'm just really deep in the press. And yeah, Robert Pattinson is having all these roles. It's like that one. It's Dune. It's Batman. He's a new Batman. Oh, dear. That's wild. I mean, well, they've gone a weird way. Ben Affleck's been Batman recently. Recently? Yeah. What do you mean? Like since the trilogy, like since the trilogy. Those Christian Bale. Yeah. There's been a Ben Affleck Batman? Yes. Wow. There was a Batman versus Superman movie. Oh. And-- Well, that's kind of different. Well, I mean, he was still the most recent Batman. OK. Interesting. I really do-- I mean, there's been a lot of Batman over here. Over here. I miss the trilogy. I wish that there was another. I, yes, same. I really wanted just to warm up it to have a rabbit. Like, he becomes a Batman. And I wanted them to have him be the Batman. But now-- He becomes the Batman? Yeah, that's how it ends. Sorry, spoiler, but it's like from a million years ago. Yeah, so he plays Robin. Yeah. Well, what-- He plays Robin? Yeah, it's, oh my god. OK, so in The Dark Knight-- you know I'm obsessed with this series. This is The Dark Knight series. Yeah. So whatever the last movie is, I can't remember, it's rising or returns or whatever. Yeah. There is the police officer, because the main police officer is the Dragon's Murder, right? Like he dies. So his replacement, like the new officer who's like investigating the Batman or investigating the villain or whatever is happening, is Joseph Ward Levin. And he's got a cop. But his name is Robin. Yeah. And like his first name is Robin, which is obviously like on purpose, because he's like-- That's right. You know what I mean? But he's not like-- he's not like dressed up as a superhero or something. But it's like-- I know. I have seen the movie. I know. So why were you confused when I said it? Because you said he plays Robin. I was like, there's no fucking Robin in the trilogy. But he is. His name is Robin. His name is Robin. But he's not like-- But he is though. It's like that he is supposed to think that that's-- So anyways, it ends. And it ends with him, like Christian Baill, pieces out whatever. And he leaves him the keys to the back cave. Yes. And it ends with him walking into the back cave and seeing all this shit. And I was like, he's going to come and do it. But then they never went there, which is upsetting to me. It is upsetting. Mine do that would be pretty good. I mean, they left it so open, because you also said, like, oh, Joseph Warden left the character, becomes Batman. We don't know that. No, I know. We don't know. But I wanted to follow that. I wanted that to be the case. So we've gotten your insights into the fourth movie of The Trilogy. That was amazing, though. That trilogy was amazing. It was a question. I think it's best films. Some of the best films of our generation. Yeah. I agree. And I don't like-- I'm like a superhero fan. It transcends like superhero damage. It does. It doesn't feel like superheroes. It feels surreal. Yeah. I mean, because fundamentally, he's not like-- the whole thing about Batman is like he doesn't have some weird superpowers that are like X-Men or whatever. That's right. That's right. He's just a guy. He's just a fucking billionaire with a bunch of technology. Like, that's his whole thing. So it becomes immensely more plausible than like you watch any of the X-Men movies. And it's like, oh, this dude shoots lasers out of his eyes. Cool. Yeah, I don't know anyone who does that. But yeah, it's so interesting. Oh my god. And the Dark Knight would be such a beautiful thing to revisit right now, because he's using all his billions to create technology and special cars that aren't evil. Yeah. Wow. What's that like? I know, right? Elon could never. He truly could never. Truly could never. I was listening to a podcast and they were talking about ecstasy pills. Yeah. And I don't know a lot of ecstasy pills. I'll be honest. I don't actually have a lot of knowledge to this. But-- Are there many brands? Are there many firsts? Well, so apparently they're like different shapes and-- Right. And like-- And so there's like a Tesla one. Like it's like the logo. It's like the test. And apparently it's like the best one. Sure. The people are really coveted. But there's a bit of a dialogue about that because people don't want to be promoting Tesla. A mind you Tesla doesn't manufacture those ecstasy pills. Though I bet Elon Musk does dabble. 100%. Although I don't know. It's kind of anti-- it's like the opposite of ketamine. Yeah, but I feel like-- Once you're that deep into ketamine, you've also fucked with some other stuff. For sure. Ecstasy was beginning. Yeah, but did they have the Tesla at the time? Is the question? Probably not. Yeah. It's too bad for him. He missed out. So it's too far gone now. I am speaking of really crazy things that we've been consuming, not drug wise. But in fact, television wise. We're tummy lies. We are done season one. We've entered season two. And now I've surpassed the part that I had seen. So I've seen all the way up to season one. No don't squish the toy. No squishy toys. I know. It's your elephant. I'm so sorry. It's confiscating. The literal elephant in the room is very toy. It's an elephant that has no ears because it's phoenix. And she didn't just rip them off. She consumed them. They're gone. Yeah. They've been digested fully and passed through. In fact, he's really cute, little bald elephant. Anyways. Anyways. But bald is a great way of describing someone who had his ears ripped off, by the way. Very cute. He looks like it though. So he is-- So we're all took down a lot. So we've finished the first season, which I had seen already. And so now we're in the second season, and I haven't seen it. And I reached just finished the first episode. And holy fuck, are you joking? We were-- Frank was floored. I'm actually loving watching this show with Frank, because his-- You can get my life reaction. His genuine surprise. I was like, we should have filmed that. It's so funny. So if you are familiar with Tony, Tony, I mean, I want you to watch, I don't want to spoil it. - No. - But basically what they do is they continually end the episodes with like mic drop plot twist. It's like every episode feels like you're reading, you know when you read like one of those thrillers and there's a twist and you're like, "Whoa, it didn't see it come and it was the barber." That's how it feels every episode. - Every fucking episode. - It's always some fucking crazy, weird, new like alliance or trist or whatever. And the one at the end of the episode of season one, or sorry, the first episode of season two is bananas. - Fear of shock. - I could not have predicted it. - Fear of shock. - If you asked me to guess what plausible situation we would find ourselves in at the end. - I know. - No, we're near. - I feel like we're kind of addicted to it. So I'm like, I feel like we should not watch it on the weekends. Like I feel like it should be like a weekday event so that we can like, weigh, drag it out longer and also be like, do more with our life. - Yeah, that's right. - But I do already feel like sad that we can't watch it tonight 'cause we have plans. (laughs) - And plans tomorrow and plans Sunday. So we're getting a three day break and then when you go away next week. - That's true. Oh my God, we're gonna have to not watch it. Like we're gonna have to, but they hold back. Oh my God, so we only get like two nights to watch it together this week. Wow. Okay, that is good though, 'cause I wanna like microdose. I wanna make it last. - It will pace it a little. - It's very come back. I don't think he knows it. - Yeah, I just don't know if he's-- - If you mind met him. - Well. - He can't live breed. He'll be back. - It's just, it's fine. He'll be fine. - I'm leaving him alone. - Leave him alone. - So let them. - Yeah, let's very. Let them. Oh my God, there's been so many interesting, like I saw another post recently of Mel Robbins plagiarizing somebody's concept. - Oh. - Have you seen a lot of like, there's a lot of like talk online about like admin nights, life admin nights? Do you know what that is? - No, I don't. - So it was basically the suggestion to get all your friends together and do like a life admin night. So you come and you hang out for your friends place on like a Tuesday night and you all like book your doctor's appointments or pay your taxes or whatever. Have like drinks and dinner and just like get your shit done. - Okay. - Which is super smart. And like I think important for the society that we live in, there's way too much. And I don't even do that half of it. It's just knowing it's out there. It causes me stress. But anyways, it was a different creator who did it and Mel Robbins has now sort of rebranded it as her own and is like now talking about it. And it came obviously just right off the back of this, this person, I'm gonna find the actual creator to share it. But I just think it's so fucked up. It's just like, can we not have a regional idea? It's like why do we need to take someone? Like it's one thing to be like, I was inspired by this, but to me it's like so much more cool. Like to me the coolest thing that a person can do regardless of their status, regardless of their size of their account is to give credit. Like, period. That's it. Like and that's literally all it takes. Like just say, oh, this is where I got this from. Oh, I saw this person do this. Oh, and even if you don't know, say, does anyone know who this original idea came from? Like you see something like at midnight and you're someone of Mel Robbins's community size. She could just say, oh, I've been seeing a lot about at midnight. I'd love to share this with you all. And somebody let me know who the original creator was. Very easy. The internet makes it very easy. 100%. Okay, Ben Chipman. Ben Chipman, that's his name. Ben Chipman 5 is his account. So I, yeah, recommend checking him out because he is the one who actually first mentioned it. I mean, and he even says in his video, like, I don't think I invented this, but it's definitely like my viral video that made this popularized. Yeah. So anyways, okay, I feel like that was life update stuff. Anything. I mean, I guess I could say I'm going to London. You are going to London, which is so exciting. We've vaguely hinted at. Yeah, I'm going to London. Speaking of an event, brand Blitz, which is hosted by Ellen Ormally, and I'm so looking forward to it. It's going to be so wild. Like there's so many people who are going to be speaking at the event that I have only ever known from the internet that I've like worked with in different capacities, whether they've been like clients of mine or collaborated or we just know each other from like threads and stuff. It's going to be really, really cool. So I'm genuinely ecstatic. And some people who have met in real life already. Like Olivia's going to be there. Oh my God. Which is super fun. Cool. Obviously Sarah. And yeah, so I'm really looking forward to it. And what else? Oh, Caitlin Will visiting. Well, they will have visited once this goes live. But we have a weekend of hanging with them, IRLs. We're going to be doing lots of boping. I have a very social week ahead of me. There you social week. We'll be talking to so many people. A lot of talking. Yeah. Thank God my voice is like back. I'd like such a weird cold for the last week and a half where my throat was so-- it was like a felt like I couldn't-- I basically had vocal fry the whole time. It was weird. But it's gone now. Thank God. Yeah. We're thriving. OK. Well, welcome to the podcast. Obviously, that was an intro. That was completely unplanned. But we went for it. And-- What? Just checking on us. Just checking on us. We're 15 minutes in. Yeah. We're thriving. A lot's this afternoon. We're great. Frank brought a bunch of shit to the table. He's MC today. I have so many things to do. I usually have to-- well, not usually. But as of late, the last few times I've had-- I've been the one who's been directing the combo. You've been the navigator. Yeah, but I don't have to today, which is so lovely. But I am going to give you a little educational moment because I get asked this question all the time. And I'm currently promoting my-- it starts with stories. I'm calling it a four-week Instagram Stories Adventure. But it's basically a supported space where I'm going to be sharing education as well as prompts and action-taking resources to show up on stories throughout the month of May. And so one of the things that I get asked a lot about-- and just in general, I think is really-- I don't want to say it's a unique piece of my brand, but it's a very important piece of my brand. Let's say that is that I integrate my life. I share so much life's content. And so people often are like-- I think we're getting to the point where people understand the why. We understand why it's important to incorporate lifestyle piece. But it's almost like the dots are tough to connect when we see-- sort of see. OK, I love the way this person shares the things that they share. Yeah. And I don't really know what of mine is worthy of being shared to create that same connection that I feel with these people. Right. So it's someone might see my stories and think, oh, I love that she shares all that stuff. But in whatever my version of that is, I don't really understand why people would care or how it would connect to my business or how it would support my business. And build trust in-- because the thing is all that we're doing is we're building trust. That is what the purpose is of lifestyle content. But I think that the misconception is that it's just any lifestyle content is going to build trust in your fair game, which isn't untrue. You literally really could share anything. I'm not out here to say certain things are off limits because I say so. It's more like certain things are off limits because you say so. You get to choose what you share. And you get to decide what you want to share and then massage those ideas into something that does eventually back to your business in some way. But you don't have to explain that. And I think that's the key. Once you know where that thread is, once you can connect it to odds, you don't have to every time be like, I'm sharing about my journaling because I believe in this and this and this and this. And that connects my business because this and this and this. We don't have to draw those parallels. We're just like, they exist. And we just get to be in them. So a couple of things that basically wouldn't make sense. I'm a social media strategist. That is the Instagram account is a social media strategy and education account. Like that is the type of content that I shared predominantly. You can pay me for that. Like that's what I sell, right? Yes. And I think this is the thing is people think, oh, how do I create content about things that I don't get paid for? Because there's no like outcome attached to this bigger transformation that I can kind of lead or invite people into. Right. And so these are things that I post on my Instagram account that I, my story specifically, but even on my feed, that I do not get paid for in any capacity. Other than like obviously, if I was to do brand deals, but that's a different game. This is like within my social media education space, going for walks every day potentially to a lake, potentially with ducklings, ideally with ducklings if I'm very lucky. Yes. My outfits, right? Shopping, anything having to do with clothes, thrifting, shopping, might mirror selfies, things I bought, things I'm wearing, my personal style, journey, even just talking about that. Respees obviously. So like I share my food, I share what I eat for lunch, dinner. Why did I skip lunch? Why did I skip breakfast? Oh, breakfast lunch. I was like, never skip breakfast. I don't like to do it. I actually don't post my breakfast that much because it's kind of boring. I literally eat the same thing every day. But hey, even if you, even if it's, I eat the same thing every day for lunch and I seem to feel fine both posting that. So no, it's because I'm not on social media early in the morning, which is again, another boundary that's important to a poll, right? I'm not really taking, I don't really have my phone out until a certain hour of the day. So anyways, I've got, I share all my food. And sometimes that's breakfast. Sometimes it's lunch, sometimes dinner, sometimes it's snacks. Sometimes it's a recipe, sometimes it's just something I randomly bought. There's a lot of food. A lot of food happening. A lot of food. I share about natural wine. Obviously that natural wine that Frank's drinking one right now, that's fucking fire. It's so good. It's really nice. We bought it at the bakery. That's one thing that I really love about Barcelona is that you just go to buy a pastry and there's just natural wine in the fridge. You can just take it by the bottle, even if the place doesn't serve wine. Or it's in no way is a wine shop. They just have it. It just goes with everything. Natural wine, but it's cool. I think that's a big major bonus. And it was like, what, 11 euro? That bottle? It was 11 euros and it's very, very good. It's so good. So good. I think it's just euro. I don't think it's euros, like plural. Would you say dollar? No, but I think when it's euro, that is how they say it. But maybe that's just in a different language. I've definitely heard it plural. Euro. Eros? because they will ask me because I still keep using our Canadian card for a lot of things. I know, but I think it's your own. They ask. No, they will ask like, "In burros?" "Burros?" Let's say we're gonna listen for this. Yeah. I'm gonna be listening for the ass this weekend. Also, someone just tell us. Also, we could just look it up. I mean, also like in England though, you'll hear both. Yeah. Okay, maybe that's what I'm thinking about as a British people. It's 20 pounds or it's 20 pounds. Aha. That you will hear both. But they wouldn't say euro. They don't use euro. So. But if they did come here, maybe they would say that way. I don't know, maybe. Interesting. Maybe they'd say dollar. It's $20. It sounds so weird. I know. But it kind of does track. Like it works. Anyways. Anyways, anyways. Favorite coffee shops, bars, places I like to go to frequent. Yeah. To eat, enjoy. Traveling, right? All my travel diaries, my day in the lives, all the things I do when I'm like out and about in new locations. Empty table core, of course. Mandatory. I talk about books I'm reading. I talk about shows I'm watching. I literally posted tell me lies just the other day. A lot of people are very excited for me. Oh, really? Yeah. I post about my bar classes, my Pilates classes. Yes. I post about my home decor. I post about collage journaling, little crafty moments. I post about journaling in general, like other prompts and things that I'm using. I mean, journaling does sort of, it has woven its way into like your offers as well. Like it's what, what do you mean? I mean, get, I guess. Yeah. But like the context of what I would be talking about is like collage journaling. I'm not talking about like, you know, for your business. More like as a craft. Yeah. It's not as a mindset tool. No, no. But that is a good point. That is a good point, Frank. Thanks for that. Here to help. Thrifting. And then obviously like my fiction writing and stuff as well. So these are just like kind of a blanket example. But the reason why I wanted to kind of show that this is the one to talk about the perspectives that these actually connect with. So like, what are the perspectives that I hold where they've kind of given me this like breadth of like a value system or belief system that encompasses these things. And so for example, one of them is basically the only algorithm that matters is people. Like this is a belief that I hold really strongly. And I talk about community as kind of currency or as something that we really like require to have sustainable success. And obviously this connects with the online space and it connects with social media and leveraging the internet and blah, blah, blah. But it also encompasses lifestyle stuff like it encompasses friendship and it encompasses you know, the types of brands that I support, how we travel. Like the relationships we build while we are in the community. And even like the internet's role in that, like I have a ton of, I mean every person that I know literally, every not person I know, but every friend that I have, I'm at through the internet in some way. So when I'm hanging out with them and spending time with them, like that's a continuation of that network. Totally. That was maybe built through my business or built through social media which ultimately is my business, but benefits my life greatly. Right. So it's like, this is an outcome. It's like a product of being online that is unrelated to business. So it's not like, oh, this is a business ROI. This is like a life ROI. And so a lot of what we share through the lifestyle content perspective is like showing the ROI that is unrelated to business, but yet our business is like giving us that fuel or whatever methods or tools we use is like giving us that opportunity. Another one, I mean very aligned with what I just said, but like I view the internet as this tool for opportunity, right? And because of that, I'm extremely passionate about making sure that we enjoy being there. Because the more that we build up like resentment or frustration or kind of negative associations with the internet, the further away we get from it. And when we leave it behind, it's not to say that we can't find opportunity otherwise. Or otherwise, or of course you can and I do, I'm very, you know, upfront about that too. But, you know, assuming you can maintain this positive relationship with the internet, you really have the world or your fingertips. And so by way of prioritizing making the internet feel really good, we actually do have to do a lot of work to be creative and be fulfilled externally, like to enrich our lives offline. And so like spending intentional time engaging with the world, whether that looks like, you know, for me, that looks like traveling, that looks like shopping, that looks like shopping. I mean, that's true. It looks like eating, it looks like, you know, it's just like living this very like fulfilling life offline. Yeah. My creative hobbies are a big part of that, like doing offline things. I don't really like saying analog hobbies. I don't really think that's my vibe. But that's an example, like, lodge journaling is, it is like more tactile. It's descriptive. Not no hate to analogue hobbies, by the way. I just feel like that's like other, it's not a lane that I really like claim. So yeah, just doing all those things is what actually makes our virtual community more enriched. And so there's some obvious connections there. The other thing that's really, really kind of core to a lot of what I teach and what I talk about is that trends are teachers. So like no viral piece of media or kind of popular book, popular show, article, phrase, language, like all the stuff that we see that kind of becomes this like internet hype or online hype. This is actually connected to the cultural weather, right? So that's actually allowing us to like understand how we can kind of speak to and relate to our communities through our business, yes. But we kind of do have to consume and connect with the media itself and like understand what it means to us so that we can then translate it, right? So it's like the only way that we can actually like contribute and share and like make changes within our digital communities is like understanding and engaging with the media that is shaping those dialogues, right? Totally. And so that's a big part of it. And then I have this concept of like I like the way I refer to it as like bad influence and it's kind of which is kind of just like a tie and cheek like I do like this one. Jokey thing. Yeah. And the idea is it's this concept of basically questioning like what is societally acceptable right? So like the lifestyles that are being sold to us, which is to you know through the lens of business, traditional nine to five, through the lens of lifestyle, you know, the nuclear family like those types of things that I just really reject honestly. And it's like basically kind of questioning and staying curious and showing alternative, you know, ways of being, which can be through the lens of business, right? Like, you know, I kind of chose in a version of success that really doesn't force me into a schedule. And then there's the other things that are a little bit more personal like showing, you know, me living my life in my 30s when I maybe don't look like how you would expect a 30 year old to look. Totally. And then there's a lot of things that are a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, but I think it's a little bit more personal, of just some examples just to share what that actually looks like. And in the stories adventure, I'll be teaching you how to actually find all these connections within your own life and kind of connect to the things you are actively already doing in your day-to-day with your leadership at large. So you always know that what you're sharing in your stories is relevant to your audience without needing to constantly be over-explaining it. And it's just that inner knowing and like being able to pull kind of those threads for yourself that allow you to just be like, I don't have a second guess what I'm sharing. Like I know exactly what to pose, I know exactly how it's going to play out. I know why this matters. That just creates so much more confidence. So I'm obviously going to be linking the offer in the show notes. And if you have any questions about any of the above, hit me up in the DMs. But I hope you enjoyed that educational segment. And now let's get into Frank's. Frank reading the internet. What did you say? Frank consumes the internet. No, I said it was going to be Frank reads the internet. Frank reads the internet. Yep. What I'm actually going to do is take you on a tour of some of my favorite things that I've found on the internet in the last few days. I'll be your guide to the best of the internet as defined by things that amused me or made me think a little more. Yeah, we love it. Great to want to begin. Do you want to start on a more serious note or would you like something a little bit lighter? To something lighter. A little bit lighter. Okay. Well, let's go to the New York Times where this link is going to take a moment to load. And we're going to begin with the headline. Yes. Big album dropping. You might want to watch the road. A study has found that traffic fatalities increased in the United States by nearly 15% on the same days as the biggest album releases. Wait, that's crazy. I'm also crying that you said this was the light topic. Something's pretty light. This is death. Oh. That's really interesting. So basically, this study came from Harvard Medical School and found that over the past several years traffic fatalities in the US. increased by almost 15% on the same days as the biggest album releases from artists like Taylor Swift and Bad Bunny. - Hmm. - Basically, I mean, no surprise here, but looking at driver behavior data found there was more smartphone use and a lot more distractions on those days. - Oh my gosh. - It's kind of sad for the musicians. - Well, I mean, they didn't know until today, so. - No, I know, but I would be sad to find that out, you know what I mean? - Yeah. The researchers behind it wrote that the data suggests that mobile device use occurs in up to 52% of car trips that result in a crash, whether fatal or otherwise. - I believe that. - So very interesting. - Some of them are evil in so many ways. - Oh, that's true. - What if we. What if we went back to landlines, but they had social media on them? Or like, what if it was like we had a phone, just like your phone that you only have, but you just can't leave the house. - Well, it has to be plugged into the wall. Yeah, I can't. - No, not plugged into the wall. No, it's cordless in your home. - Oh, it's like a cordless phone. - Yeah, but you can't leave with it. Like, nothing happens when you leave with it. - I'm interested. - Or when you leave it just turns into a camera, which to be honest, that would be my goal. - I would say like a camera and text messaging tool. - No, because how would that save you when you're driving? - I don't know. In case of emergency. - In case of emergency. - It would be so much more romantic to not have to do this. - Yeah, that's true. - I think it'd be fine. Or honestly, you know, it would be super smart. Because you know how they have like the brick. Like, do you know what the brick is? - Yes, yes. - So people are so into bricking and they brick their phones. The way that it works is you have to tap the thing and it takes away all your whatever apps you've chosen to make it go away. And in order to like use it again, you have to tap it again. So you have to like physically get up and tap the thing. Which obviously is really smart. What they should do is they should like make you brick, like they should make it attached to a car. So like in order to open your car, you have to brick your phone. And so when you're in your car, you can't use your phone. - I mean, yeah, that would be great. - And you could just have it like for GPS or whatever if you need it to. But again, even that, I feel like fuck, I'm like way more, I get so scared to check my GPS. Like, I feel like that's more distracting to me than anything. - I mean, cars are going the way where everyone has like fucking Apple CarPlay or every auto-init. - That's right. You don't even need your phone. You don't need to look at your phone. Exactly. - You can just do it on the screen. - Anyway. - But wouldn't that be smart? - It would be. - Okay. - I'm going to wrap this up. Basically, the numbers are. So they wound up. The researchers looked at a 21-day period with like that first day being in the middle of the album release day of these biggest albums and then comparing it to the 10 days before and 10 days after and found that there was an increase of 18.2 fatalities per release day. - Well. - Which is wild. So it was basically 139 traffic fatalities on release days compared to 121 on all those other days surrounding it or surrounding it. - Arounding it. - Arounding it. - But yeah. I just think it's fascinating. - No, it is fascinating. - So wild. - It completely makes sense. - Yeah. Anyway. - What can we do about this? Society. - Don't put your fucking phone down. - Put your fucking phone down. It's what we can do is just to sign it. - Yeah. That's crazy. Start the album before you start your car. - Exactly. - That's the slogan. - That's the slogan. Okay. - Wait, I have one more thing to say about this. - Yeah, of course. - I was just thinking about this when I was in Pilates today because there was a song that came on. That was like a country duet. And it was like an OG country. It was not an old song. It's a song that's newer. I've definitely heard it before. I don't know who it was. I can't remember. But it was like a singing duet. It was a guy and a girl singing. - Sure. - But it was kind of like that classic where there's a narrative. She's singing her part and she has one POV. But then he sings his part and he has a different POV. - Yeah. - And I forgot how much I love that. I really think we need more music like that. I mean, it's kind of like what Charlie XCX and Lord did, which was amazing. I really enjoy it. I like the dual POV. I really enjoy that. And it made me think about Ja Rule and Ashanti, Nellie and Kelly. - I was going to say Nellie and Kelly's were my - I'm actually pissed because obviously Kid Rock is a scum of the earth. The Cheryl Crow Kid Rock pictures truly changed me as a person. Unfortunately. Yeah, so I really like that style of music. And I like to put out a call for more of them. We don't need a collab. We don't need a remix. Like I want you to just sing - Just two POV. - Dual POV. - Yep. - Dual POV. Which is also funny because that's my favorite type of book to read as well. I love a book where there's two POVs. And I mean, I'm writing a book where there's two POVs actually three. But - Oh. - I mean, three so far. Who knows what else will come? Who knows who else will pop out? No, this one's only three. But there's multiple POVs being written about throughout the series. - Cool. - So anyways, I just love it. And I think more music should do that. Okay. - Well, you hear that musicians? - Yeah, just take that into account if you're in the music space. Sathy would like requests. - Sathy's desires. - No, to actually, or if you really loved me, it's my birthday. Wait, I didn't even mention it's my birthday. - You did not mention it's your birthday. - This is the last pod going to come out before I'm 35. - Holy shit. - My birthday's on the 19th Sunday, the 19th. And if you wanted to make me a playlist of your favorite dual POV songs and then send it to me, that would be really nice gift. - It's a lovely gift. - Yeah, that's actually I think the only gift I would really not big on gifts. I don't really care for gifts. I mean, lovely if you get me a gift, but I don't, I don't prioritize it. I wouldn't be like pissed about, you know, I'm not expecting a gift. No, your present is a present, sweetie. - Oh. - And I don't know. I just feel like you let me do it. You let me do whatever I want. It's like the best gift I could ask for. - And the best gift I could give. - Yeah, yeah. Like that's when I want my birthday is to do whatever I want. But anyways, make me a playlist. Thank you. Bye. - All right. - Moving on. - Moving on to our tour of the internet. Let's talk about golf. That's an exciting topic that everybody is interested in. - Should we use a different hook? - No, more specifically, let's talk about snacks at golf tournaments. It is currently the masters, one of the major tournaments on the men's golf tour. Hosted every year at the famous Augusta course in Georgia. The snack menu has been released and made public about what you can, you know, like the concession stand, what you can buy. - That's so random. Like, why would they really, why are they trying to give you a hype? - No, like they didn't release it. Like, there's just photos of it circulating. - It's been leaked. - Well, but people are there. It's happening right now. - Okay. Okay, got it, got it, got it. When you think about like attending a professional sporting event and going to the concession stand, I certainly fucking think about spending at least $20 on a beer and probably about $12 on a hotdog. And - $20 beer, $20 over your $12 hotdog. - We all associate going to a sporting event with paying an exorbitant amount for food. Not at the masters. At the masters, you can get an exiled sandwich rough for $1.50. - Whoa. - You can get a savory tomato pie for $3. - Wait, what the fuck is that? - It's a savory tomato pie. - I need picks. - Okay, you can get a cup of coffee for $2. - Nice. - Downright reasonable. - Yeah. - You can get a beer for $6. - Wow. - You can get - It's like the 90s. - You can get a bag of chips for $1.50. - Fuck yeah. That's actually giving Europe energy, to be honest. - You can get a Georgia peach ice cream sandwich for $3. - I want picks of that as well. - Fair. Anyway, basically the the whole premise of why I wanted to talk about this and why I think it's so interesting is like obviously when you go to a fucking like football game, a hockey game, a basketball game, you're spending a metric shit ton of money to feed yourself. - I have a few thoughts about this, yeah. - However, you can order the entire menu of food at the masters for $78.75. - And I would. - Which would basically get you three beers at your Lakers game. - No, for real. The whole premise is like every other arena, every team, they use this as an opportunity to make money. Like it's not just charging you for your ticket that makes the money. They want to make money off of food, off the drink. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. - Well Augusta is different because Augusta is a private club. Like funded by members. They don't need the money. - Wow, good for them. - They're just being generous. - Fundamentally, they don't use it as a real profit margin builder for the business. - The masters in general or just the-- - The Augusta National Golf Club. - Which is the masters always there? - It's always there. - Okay. - That's like their thing. They make a ton of money off of other stuff and they have just chosen to keep their prices low for these snacks. - God. - So if you go to the masters, you're not going to spend a ton to enjoy yourself. Anyway, that's all for snacks at the golf and fascinating. - I love it. I love it. Well-- - You said you had something you wanted to contribute. - I do, yeah. Well, I was just thinking I was like, oh, maybe they-- I was like, I wonder if they get really dope, like ingredients. Like really good deals on their ingredients. I was like, oh, I wonder if their margins are really low. Like that's what I was thinking. I was like, there's some reason. I was trying to crack the code, but you explained it so it wasn't actually that bad. - Yeah, they just don't-- - Have you seen the Tiger Woods memes? - Which ones? - Of him in the back of the car. The car crash? - In the back of the car? - Yeah. - No. - Oh, it's really good. So he was in the back, he was a rest of his DIY. - Yeah, yeah. - And then I guess like the car got into a bit of an accident. - Well, he got in an accident. He rolled the car. - No, no, no. The cop car? - Oh, no, sorry. He rolled his car. - Sorry, the cop car got in an accident. - I think so. Something like that. I have to look into it, but the pictures are really cute 'cause he's like, he's wearing his handcuffs. And then he's got like a blanket over his head kind of, 'cause I guess he had like, maybe he was cold or something. And so he's wrapped in a little blanket with his handcuffs. - Okay. - I don't know if he's like, just freaking out in the back of the car because he's like freaking out 'cause he got arrested and he stressed. Or because the car is like something's happening to the car. But he's like screaming, like, and you can see it. It's like, all the names are very like ET forward because of the way he looks at the blanket over his head. It's really cute. - I have not seen that. - He looks like a baby. Someone was like, this is like a actual depiction of me exiting the womb. Like it's just like, funny, she's like, "Oh, it's really funny. "It's very well done." - I feel badly for Tiger in all of this. I mean, the man has had some horrific injuries. He's obviously developed a painkiller addiction. - No, of course. I mean, I definitely don't know. - And here he is in all of this. - I know. I mean, it is tricky in that way, right? I think there's been a lot of like jokes being made just in general about, you know, lots of celebrity shy love off. I know as one of the people who's like, is really just wildly out, but has an addiction. Like, so it's not really funny. Like in the end of the day, it's really actually quite, like you have to have compassion for that. - Yeah. - I mean, and you can still see a meme that makes you laugh. - You can see a meme that makes you laugh. - It's not that his expense has nothing to do with alcoholism or nothing to do with the drug addiction. It's just literally like, he looks like ET. Could happen anybody. - Has. - Yeah. - Okay, our next stop on the tour of the internet is going to bring us to Ireland. - Yeah. - And we have an unexpected, for me at least, a collab between Ireland and the war in Iran. - Okay. - Without getting into a ton of detail on the Iranian war because we can gloss right over that, it has caused fuel prices to increase dramatically all around the world. Everyone is paying more for gas. The Irish don't like it very much. And the Irish have been blockading roads as a result. Like truck drivers, farmers, like, heavy equipment operators have been blockading roads as protests against the increase in fuel prices. Not great, obviously, bit of an inconvenience. However, it's having an effect. Pubs in Dublin are running out of beer. - Yeah. - Delivery trucks cannot get to the bars to deliver the kegs of Guinness. And there's also been a drop in, sort of like foot traffic as a result of the blockades and everything that's happening in Dublin and surrounding areas. But one staff member at Oconnell's pub on Bachelor's Walk in Dublin said they were down to their last keg of Guinness by lunchtime yesterday. - Oh my God. - Businesses of all kinds are struggling to get restocked as a result of the protests that have brought Dublin's city center to a standstill. - Wow. - The barman said they've been working with neighboring pubs and businesses to help keep each other stocked and they've been rolling the kegs around to make sure everyone has enough to serve. - Wow. I was gonna say they might have to go on foot. Like they're delivering it to be on foot. - Yes, I think that's no one have to be the solution. - That's real community right there. - That's real community. - With the roads blockaded. Apparently Ireland is sending in their military to start clearing the road blockades and free things up. But yeah, it's motorists are facing diesel prices of two euro 20 per liter gas prices of two euro per liter. But unlike their European counterparts, Irish stakeholders have responded with organized widespread protest activity. Protest organizers have been active on Facebook and TikTok, mobilizing support among the agricultural and transport sectors. - Yeah. - Very interesting. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, it is super interesting. I think there's like, so again, it's not funny, but it's cute. It's not cute community stories of like a resource that is obviously not life or death compared to many resources that are life or death that are subject to impact due to war. - It is a serious story that gets a lighthearted angle applied to it. - That's right. - Which is like, how journalists try to present stories? Which is like, oh, that's an interesting, unexpected impact of this very serious thing. Let's talk more about, fucking Irish pubs running out of Guinness. Imagine the horror. - Do you know what's actually, I'm interested to hear you thoughts on this. So like, I think that that type of journalism can actually like, although yeah, obviously it's, it is, it almost feels like it's like, bit of a Trojan horse to like illuminate a serious problem through a conversation that feels more like, friendly, do you know what I mean? - Yeah. - Like it's almost like, it's what's the word I'm looking for? Like I guess lower barrier to entry. Like you're like, oh, I want to read about this, but you're actually learning about something quite like deep. - It brings it home. - Right. - Is the thing. Like if you're, the average person doesn't know a fucking thing about the movement of tankers through the straight-of-hormos. You don't know anything about like how this gas is getting to like your gas station and into the tank of your car. You don't think about it. You don't understand it. It's an entirely fucking foreign concept. But you do understand, holy shit, I'm gonna go to the pub and they're gonna tell me they're out of Guinness as a result of this thing. Oh, well, I understand that now. - Yeah. - So it really just helps to like break down the understanding to a bit of a lowest common denominator here, but one that we all, - Yeah, it's relatable, I suppose. I mean, to people in that area of the world. - But and it's interesting to people in any area of the world because the Irish running out of Guinness. - Right, it's right. We do care for them, for that. - I mean, you said that in that Irish way. - Shit. (laughing) - Unintentional. It would be like if the fucking French were running out of wine, like if Paris was running low on wine as a result. It's just all of these like cultural things are like, Rome has a pasta shortage. - Right. - It's just great. - Right. - Canada has a maple syrup shortage. - Oh, the travesty. - Exactly. Canada doesn't do enough publicity for their maple syrup, to be honest. - I think they do pretty well. - They're doing publicity? It's in space right now. - What? - It's maple syrup in space. - From Canada. - Yeah. - Oh my God. - Jeremy Hanson took some maple syrup up. - Is he Canadian? - Yes, he is Canadian. - Makes sense. So space, I mean, that's big news too. - I guess, I mean, they've been, yes, space is big news. By the time this podcast comes out, they'll be home. - Good. It does quite stress me out when they're up there. - Yeah, I mean, it is rather stressful. - Yes, it's pretty high stage. - Or humans on a tiny little tin can. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But yeah, so Mark Carney, Canada's prime minister, had a call with the astronauts earlier this week. And I guess the astronauts have been getting a lot of publicity for their consumption of Nutella. - They're just crashing it? - Yeah, they're just smashing Nutella up there. Which, I mean, it's a pretty travel friendly food stuff. - I don't like Nutella. - Hot take? - I know. It is a hot take. But I love that for them. - But Carney asked Jeremy Hanson, Canada's astronaut on the trip to confirm that he prefers his pancakes with maple syrup, not Nutella. - Pancakes in Nutella are not right. That's not right. - Jeremy responded by saying, "Oh, I can ask Christina to go grab the maple syrup if you want, it's up here." So he made sure of it. - Wait, I'm also laughing because, so what is space friendly? I always thought they had to eat like powder. - Well, that's what I mean by space friendly. It's just, it's a packaged food stuff. - Yeah, but it's enough to be powder. - It doesn't have to be powder. - So I feel like that's an advancement. That they can bring maple syrup up there. - I mean, you probably have to be, it's probably in like a squeeze tube. - Oh, because why? It would explode. - Yeah, 'cause if you just take the lid off like a liquid, it just goes everywhere. - It just kind of leaks into the air slowly though, right? - Yeah, it's like little globules go. - Oh my God, wait, that would be sick. Can we have a video of that? That would be so cool. Like a lava lamp, maybe a syrup in the face. - Yeah, that's exactly it. But like, uncontained with a bunch of very sensitive electronics all around you. - I don't know, but I don't wanna see the video that ends base. I just want like a simulation of that experience. - I wanna go into the chamber. - Go on the vomit comment. - No, what's a vomit comment? - That's the, it's the training plane that NASA uses to prepare astronauts for zero gravity. - I don't know. - So it's a plane that goes, and it flies parabolic loops. - Right. - And as you crest over, like, so you climb into plane, and as you crest and start descending, you experience weightlessness. - Yeah. - So you can go on it, I believe. - But I thought you could just go in like a little room. - Yeah, there's no such thing as a little anti-gravity room. - There's not. - That doesn't exist. - Are you sure? I feel like that. - If you're on earth, you're subject to gravity. I believe Isaac Newton had a lob at this. - Wait, okay, so, whoa. - There is nothing. That's not subject to gravity. - There's a room that you go in that makes you float. - Yeah, that doesn't exist. - That's not, are you for real? - 100%. - Whoa. - I really thought there was. - That's why you must go up on this plane and free yourself of the bounds of gravity momentarily. - Does it make people barf? - It's called the vomit comet, perhaps, for a reason. - I know. I don't like that at all. - Well. - It's spooky. Okay, let's move on. - Let's move on. Okay, we're going to talk about, social media my favorite topic your favorite topic We're gonna talk about London and social media. Yeah, London's mayor Sedic Khan has demanded stronger action on the social media outrage economy Khan says that this this information Including about London crime rates is eating away at our basic bonds of trust Okay, so this is the mayor of London calling on British governor. Wait, wait, we've got lost line again. I love that Sedic Khan says disinformation including about London's crime rates is eating away at our basic bonds of trust Right, I mean it is eating away at our basic bonds of trust just like as a humanity as a collective absolutely So the gist of the story is a city con is calling on UK ministers to take stronger action against social media companies that spread disinformation After a study showed a surge in hostile accounts posting falsehoods about London's crime rates and integration In an intervention on what he called the outrage economy London's mayor who has also written to social media firms demanding change set a lack of action could prompt more domestic terrorism by people who are Believing the conspiracy theories that they're finding online Totally Yeah, he thinks that government action is the only way to Fix this because social media companies have Decline to do fucking anything about the spread of disinformation and yeah bullshit on their platforms Research compiled Has shown an increase of between 150 and 200 percent in online narratives describing London as particularly dangerous over the past two years and 350% rising content focusing on the impact of migration on the city Wow interesting Of course, Citi Khan himself has Been a target for a lot of Islamophobic and other abusive shit Particularly in some disagreements with Donald Trump When Trump described oh Sorry, no, this wasn't Trump. There's a lot of content online that Khan has described as Claiming London is a fallen city overtaken by Islamist immigrants where crime goes unpunished and basic decency has all but disappeared So which is not fucking true. No, of course not true obviously not Yeah, so what do we think government intervention actually looks like on a social media level? Like what is it that they're what would be the action that they take like they would ban certain like I just don't know how they get involved with the apps like if the apps are so Like ignorant to it all kind of what's basically if if Facebook and these other platforms aren't gonna take action themselves to remove yeah unfounded disinformation and lies then He's basically saying the government needs to pass a law that bans that shit so that then these companies are compelled to act to comply with the law Oh, I see so As it has a year so as it currently stands I can go on Facebook and write whatever the fuck I want Facebook's not gonna take it down. There's no law that says I can't do it and that they won't like give your information to the police Yeah Which I mean, I don't know if it's necessarily calling on that but it seems to just be Get it taken down we need to take a stand. Yeah for sure for sure for sure totally and This article is in the Guardian and it refers to unchallenged falsehoods that could lead to violence and terrorism and The mayor cited the case of Kevin Reese who is a 63 year old retiree who became embroiled in online conspiracies after opposing the expansion of London London's ultra low emission zone so literally just it's like car free zones and reduced emission zones Reese was jailed in January for blowing up an enforcement camera with a homemade bomb Hmm a blast that could have killed someone. Yeah. Yeah conspiracy theories you just go down the fucking well and all of a sudden you get radicalized and Next thing you know you're blowing up fucking traffic cameras completely Completely insanity and it's tough because it's like so many of these conspiracy theories like it It's right they are designed to make people very upset That's the whole point exactly and like they often are in relationship to issues that are like Maybe like not always obviously sometimes they're racist and absolutely ridiculous But it but but sometimes they're about like you think about all the like obsession with like the pedophile rings and all this And it's like yeah, I understand why you're mad about that like that is an upsetting thing It's just like you don't have any evidence. It's just not real. I mean unfortunately the obscene files are real The absolute files are real pizza gate is not real right like there's layers to it right and so it is really interesting Because I think like for example, it's like I understand becoming radicalized when it's an issue that is like very upsetting But at the same time it's like that is I mean first of all even still I feel like it's not so helpful to Take violent action, but like that could affect civilians, right? Yeah But it is Yeah, it is just like it's the rage baiting and I think I think all I'm trying to say I guess is that like Regardless of the context it's designed to make you angry well 100% and I mean this This article only spends one sentence talking about it, but What is the root of a lot of these conspiracy theories on what is the purpose? Yeah, and According to this research some of the misinformation comes from US sources Other posts are connected to Russian or Chinese state interests with AI technology in places such as Vietnam spreading falsehoods In some cases by pretending to be legitimate local London news sources. Yeah. Oh, why is this happening like Why are other countries and states doing this? What is the goal here? Yeah? What would you say a Divided population is a weak population. Yeah, exactly the goal is to divide people and it's like I think that's so interesting because it's like and it does happen Like it's like it's the people within this specific like London for example It's people in London turning against each other. Yes, and that's by design from someone who's not even evolved. That's exactly it. Yeah, that's really really tough Oh my god, okay. Okay. Well, I agree like let's add like social media I mean, I do think we're in the age where social media is we are all looking for them to be held accountable for everything like there's the addiction cases There's this kind of misinformation piece. Yeah propaganda all this kind of stuff Not to mention just their complicitness and like so much other crazy absolutely ridiculous legal activity And I feel like there is yeah, just a kind of a call. We're slowly seeing that rise now where it's like I Think there was a bit of a time where people were just like well, you know what? I just won't engage with it. I'll just leave yeah like there was kind of that mass exodus like two years ago or whatever where everyone was like well I was like last year actually After the election where it was like well, let's just not use it and even with the TikTok changing hands and all these types of things It's like I think people have kind of come back around with they're like no like let's stay But let's like fight to make it a better experience kind of yeah, which I think it's cool. I mean, I'm into that I think that's smart But it is I mean, I just think yeah seeing folks who are on the level of like political like they they're you know People in political power talking about this. I think it's really good 100% yeah, okay, okay This is my final one our final stop is going to take us to Italy But we are going to continue talking about social media. Okay, I'm happier Well, no, okay, but it's equally important. Okay. I was actually hoping that this particular story would have been resolved by today but it isn't so instead this is a bit of a teaser of news to come Cliffhanger cliffhanger The headline our journalists libel for social media comments an Italian court is poised to decide Mm-hmm in August of 2018 Italian journalist Fabio Boutera wrote a Facebook post yeah criticizing another news report by another journalist. Okay The journalist who he criticized sued him for defamation yeah in 2023 and The court found that Fabio Boutera's Facebook post was accurate Based on research and raised a matter of public interest which by defamation standards means that's fair comment That's it was not defamation. That's legal. That is not a family story However The court held Boutera responsible for the comments left on his post Comments he did not write and did not endorse what the fuck? Boutera was ordered to pay 33,000 euros in damages plus legal fees Interesting the court of appeal in Venice later upheld the decision It concluded that because Boutera added more content to his Facebook page a few days later It was proof he saw and failed to delete the comments Oh This week Italy's court of castation the top appeals court is revisiting the case and answering a question that could haunt every journalist on social media Are you legally liable for what strangers comment under your posts? That's crazy. Oh my god. That's crazy. Yes fucking Imagine No, that's crazy like first of all. I mean, I just think absolutely not like I understand like there's to me this feels more like a I mean, I don't know. I hate to use this language, but it's like, it is feeling like a bit of a, it feels like a bit of a censorship conversation. Like it feels like it's like, well, don't say what you really think 'cause someone else might say something worse that could get you in a lot of trouble. Like to me, that's saying like silence what you believe to be true, silence what actually is true. - 100% - Because it could make people comment things that aren't true and that could get you into big trouble. And like that feels really gross to me. - And this Italian approach really does go against international and European free speech. - Yeah. - Laws. Basically like to boil it down, what these courts have said is that if you open a space on social media by posting, you own everything in it. Like if you post a fucking Instagram post, you are now responsible for everything that happens in that space. Bananas. - It's interesting because like I kind of, on the other side of the coin, I get the idea of like our spaces actually are ours. Like I actually do believe that. Like I believe that more through the context of like, I wouldn't leave up a comment that was like extremely transphobic because like that would affect people in my community negatively and is like in misalignment with my values. - Of course. - So like there are certain circumstances where it's like I do take responsibility. Like I do believe it's my job to remove comments that could potentially be harmful to people in my space. And so it's funny because through that lens, like then do I think that like if I missed one by mistake, that would be something that I need to be sued for? No, but at the same time like as someone who's leading community and who's treating my community, treating my social media like a community space, like I do see the connection. And so it's interesting because it's like, this is obviously different when it's like, you're criticizing a specific person. I guess it and I mean to be fair in that same way, like would I tolerate a bunch of comments that are like ultimately like bullying on one of my posts? Like no, like I know that's a standard that I would not, like I would hold the standard of deleting things, like that would be something that I would choose to do. So it is kind of interesting because it's like, I don't think we should be like threatened into that. Like you know what I mean? I don't think we should feel like, oh my god I have to delete these things because they're almost like in a weird way, like I don't know like what I'm trying to say, but it's like it almost makes it, it almost, it just feels like then it's not coming from a genuine place. It's not about protecting your community anymore. It's about protecting yourself. - Yes, well, exactly. - It feels very different. - 100%. And the response to this is like, well I guess we're just gonna turn fucking comments off on everything. - Of course. - Of course. - Which is that? - How do you ultimately avoid liability for what someone might post below your shit? Well, I'm not gonna look at post anything. - Which is ruining the sanctity of dialogue, right? It's ruining the idea that we are here to have conversations. - Exactly. - I think that like I would like to see or I would like to like look at this as an opportunity, not like I think the loss shouldn't exist, but I think that we as community leaders should be thinking about how the comments do impact our community and being conscious of what comments do or do not live on our feeds. But I also think that we, that doesn't mean that we delete comments that spark dialogue that might make us uncomfortable because I don't think discomfort is ultimately the same as harmful. - Discomfort and illegality are absolutely not the same thing. - Exactly, exactly. - There's a lot of things that make people uncomfortable and different things. - For example, I might get a comment where someone's like calling something forward, like actually I'll give a great example. I posted my haul of Zara clothes and someone commented being like, "Don't shop at Zara." And I didn't answer the comment. I didn't like engage with them directly because there was no question. There was nothing to engage with. But I left it there. - Of course. - Because I actually am like, "You know what, fair. Like I agree with you." - It's a fair comment. - No exactly why it's not. I know exactly why shopping at Zara is in congruent with my values and I also understand that there's nuance to the decisions that I make. But at the same time too, I'm not gonna hide that. Where's like, "But did it make me feel uncomfortable?" Yeah, of course. It made me think like, "Oh shit, yeah, maybe I really should think twice about this. Maybe I really should be more mindful of where I'm shopping." Which is something that actually is something that I want to work on. And so it's interesting because it's like, we can have someone say something that makes us feel like, "Oh, I need to work on that." And we don't have to hide from that. But at the same time, like if that person had said something like, "You look like so-and-so who is like a really disgusting, awful person, you guys are both ugly and terrible." Then I'd be like, "Okay, well, now you're just bullying us." - Well, totally. - Like, that's not helpful. - Yeah. - But it's just-- - And should you then be held responsible for the person's-- - No, no, no. - Get comments. - I always like to take the social media examples and just apply it to the real world. - Yeah. - Like if you were standing in a public square, - Yeah. - And you had a sign. - Yeah. - A protest sign of like, I don't know, whatever. You're expressing your free speech rights to protest. Are you responsible for the dude who shows up beside you with a sign pointing to you saying, whatever horrific shit? - No. - And the answer is no. - No, for sure. - If you're out there expressing an opinion and you've expressed it, you're not fucking responsible for what people respond to you. - No, I agree. - That's absolutely insane to me. - No, I agree. I agree. And again, I don't think it's about-- 'cause I think that's the thing is like, it's not you're not, you shouldn't be held responsible for what someone else says, but you can be responsible for whether or not you create a safe space for your community. And those two things are different, but they may result in the same action. Do you know what I mean? - 100%. And I think the difference between responsibility to your community members and responsibility to the courts and paying fines or different things. - Yeah. - Like, responsibility to your community members, if you want to like preserve the sanctity of the space, you want to remove those comments, you're being a community steward. - Yes. - Like, you're tending to this space, you're caring for it, you're creating a space. - Yes. - But the difference between that and fucking legal liability is that's, there's a tremendous amount of distance between those two things. - Completely. - It's just so damaging to have the obvious and kind of on the behalf of the journalists, reasonable response to turn comments off entirely. - 100%. - Because then it just completely blocks the ability for people to have dialogue that could actually be helpful. - Yes. - So, yeah. - Yeah, I mean, if given the choice between being dragged through the courts and have to pay tens of thousands of dollars versus just turning off comments, I think I know what I'm gonna be doing. As I mentioned, I was hoping that this court would have ruled by the time we were recording today, it doesn't seem to have, so expect perhaps a follow up on. - Stay tuned. - Well, you can check. - When it's the ruling. - When it's the one you can check. We can post in the show notes a follow up, the third is one. - I will. - Okay, well, I think that's a wrap, yeah. - I think that's a wrap, yeah. - Hi. (laughs) - Well, thanks for being here. - Thank you. - Thank you, listener. Thank you, Frank. - Thank you, everyone. - Love you to the court. (upbeat music) ♪ You more deep way ♪ ♪ Love you to the court ♪ ♪ I love you ♪ ♪ I love you ♪