Love Bombs the Pats, the Sorry NFC South, a Sorrier Aaron Glenn, Steph’s Revival and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

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And it felt like that scene in the Titanic when the boat tilts and just people started falling off the side of the boat. It's still there, but it didn't sink like in the Titanic, but a little shaky. What was your big takeaway from this game, Bears or Bucs? Is Ben Johnson playing the violin yet? It's been a pleasure to work with you. Well, I don't know. I'm trying to think like that was despicable that we had to sweat that out. Obviously you and I money line everything, but teases. Yes. Yeah. Ringer 107, the whole thing. But we knew, we knew it was going to be probably a nail biter, but then five minutes in, it seemed like it was going to be like 52 to nothing bears. Right. And they played so well Monday night. So we thought there was gonna be a little hangover, but like you said, they were up by so much so early and it just not many games where the defense has to save Caleb Williams, but this was definitely one of them. I mean, he would, he looked like Venus Williams throwing the ball. He was so bad. And then the only saving grace was Baker would give it right back. I mean, it was. Yeah. Trying so hard to cover this game, but not win. So yeah, like you said, six interceptions and probably could have been 10. I'd like to thank Caleb Williams for taking the heat off Drake may today because Drake may was terrible. And somehow Caleb Williams played worse after a really good start. Some weird coaching stuff too. Like, uh, even that swing pass late with what? Three minutes left. I didn't know what was going on there. And then I just don't know what a helmet to helmet is. So if you have the ball, people could just crush you in the helmet and it's fine. What's the ruling on that. It seemed like it had both elements of the helmet to helmet, which is one helmet, um, crashing against the other forcefully. Sometimes it's a penalty. Sometimes not. Yeah. That play sucked though. That play that he gave him no room to maneuver on the sideline. And the goal is to not go out of bounds in that case. And I just, I dunno, I'm not better than Ben. I do think I'm better than Ben Johnson, but why aren't they running Caleb Williams? If he's afraid to throw it or skittish about throwing it downfield. Did you feel like you feel like that was a little Milton Burley with the, uh, with the bears where they pulled out just enough to win. And then they were just trying to get through them by next week, home new Orleans. Then they played Thanksgiving against Detroit. Yeah. But I just felt like those couldn't, those weren't like my season on the line type of place. It felt like they were just trying to get through the game and intact and I didn't really get it. I mean, there are a different page, the offense and defense defense is just, just incredible. Devin Bush. And these guys just hit like monsters. Is it weird for you to like share the same name with Jeffrey Simmons, big hulking, tough guy, tackle 250 pound man, probably never took a sauna, drank a hot water with lemon in his life blood brothers. I got, I got my hot water right now. And I don't know, Jeffrey, look at you. So the bears, let's see. Swift was 12 for 31. I'm Ed was five for 25. William's five for 16. The bucks run defense. I mean, lived up to the hype, right? So if you're the Bucs, we can talk about the Bears in a second. If you're the Bucs, you need seven wins to win the NFC South. You've proven the last few weeks that you can actually play with these teams. And I think they're easily the favorite in the NFC South now, right? Regardless of what happened tonight. Yeah, I think they make, I don't know though with Baker, like, are you happy with them if he can't get to the finish line? Because he just gets the shit kicked out of them. And I know a lot of it's not his fault, but sure, I guess as far as being the most balanced team in the division, I would go with them right now. Plus 175, Panthers plus 220, Saints plus 370, Falcons plus 380 on FanDuel. And we are in the middle of the funniest NFC South situation ever. You made a big bit before when we did our over-unders that it was going to be a four-way tie at 7-10. That was your prediction. Yeah. You might've been too high. I think I might've. Right halfway through, they have three, right? Yeah. Carolina and New Orleans are three and five. Tampa and Atlanta are three and six. They have 12 wins combined. And I think four of those 12 came against each other. So I think they have eight wins against everybody else, the non-conference stuff. But I watched all of those teams today. I don't know who the seven-win team is unless it's Tampa. It's certainly not Carolina. They can't stop anybody. Atlanta is like Jekyll and Hyde and it's usually Jekyll. And then, you know, New Orleans barely, barely, barely beat Shadur Sanders, barely. Yes. I don't know. I don't know. One of the few out-of-division wins. Well, the good news is you don't have to figure it out. You could stay away. There's plenty of bad football aside from the bad football that this division is playing. We'll get to most of it. Well, I have, I think the most bets I did before the year were Tampa, division, all that stuff. And then the other one was Houston. And we'll talk about Houston later, but Houston somehow, still alive. You wanted to cross them off last week. There's no way they're a cross off. I still do. When you go NFC South, NFC in general, Giants, Vikings, whoever wins the NFC South and San Francisco are still the division winners right now. Chicago, six and two, Detroit, six and two, Green Bay, six and three. And then Seattle and the Rams are on the outside looking in right now, still. And this NFC North, we're up to 24 wins already with the NFC North with Minnesota playing tomorrow, which I don't remember, you know, 17 games scheduled now, but I don't remember getting over 45 with the division before. I'm sure, I'm sure we've had like, maybe we've had four 10 win teams. I don't know, but we're on pace for 48, 49 here, which seems insane. They're phenomenal. I mean, they're completely opposite of the NFC South, right? They're 18 and three against all other divisions. Does that include tonight's win? Were they 17 and three? And now 18 and three, I think so. Yeah, it's tough, man, because we targeted that Packers Rams game the night before Thanksgiving. And it still looks like that could be a loser leaves town type of matchup. Although now I'm not as confident in Seattle either. It's interesting. Yeah. If you said Packers Rams, Seattle, just put those three, the Packers are by far playing the best out of those three, right? Hench texted us during the game during Bears Tampa. Yeah. He said, what is going on? And this guy, this game counts in the standings, right? It actually, it did count in the standings. So from a bear standpoint, I'm, I'm not that worried. I'm, I'm okay. I guess there's a, there was a moment there in the first quarter with Caleb, especially coming off what Drake may did earlier where you're like, man, Caleb is, this is now really happening. And then that just went into quicksand. Yeah. Is that the only thing I'm not worried about them either, but I am wondering if Ben Johnson, who passed up on fourth and seven and plus territory late in the game to do the fake, we're going to go for it. Not really, but we're setting up the punt going five. I hate that play, but then did like a fake punt. Yeah. That was ridiculous too. But to pass up fourth and seven and plus territory, does he officially prefer his defense to his offense? Or is that just tonight? Like, just like, all right, my quarterback doesn't have it. I got to get him out of the state. They can't run the ball. Now, Monaghan comes back. It's, Monaghan? What did I call him? Monaghan. I don't know. That's, I hope he doesn't get canceled. Monaghan. four minutes into the podcast. Monaghan comes back. That's kind of the toughness inside runner that it feels like they need. It's a lot of DeAndre Swift right now. They're still the third best odds. 8-1 on FanDuel and the Bills and Niners are 6-1. We do have a party crasher. The Jags are up to plus 850. The more they just house these teams, I think at some point you just start doing the math. The Bengals are still at, they're up to 13-1. I don't know. What team do you like the most right now? Well, I was looking at that Jags number. We're halfway through the season. For the AFC, for the 1C, that Jags number has gone down and down and down. When the hell are we going to grab it? At this point, we can't. Forget about the Texans. They're not going to get it, Bill. They might get the playoffs. Jags plus 470 for the 1C. Is it 470? Why did it go, went down? That's still pretty juicy. Wow. Bills are plus 155. Denver is 4-1. Part of the problem with the Bills is, they have the same hard schedule that the Pats have this year because they have to play the NFC North. They still, the Bills still have games against Minnesota, Kansas City, New England, at Green Bay, Chicago, at Denver. Yeah. And then one loss, but, you know, the Jags and the AFC South. The Jags have the Titans two of the next three weeks. Right. And I think the Giants in the middle somewhere there. So, I think that number just keeps going down and down. And then when you talk about the NFC North, and how that's all set up, Detroit and Chicago still have two games against each other. Everybody else, they, they, Detroit and Chicago have four NFC North games left, and Minnesota and Green Bay have three. So, it's going to be hard until we have that first Chicago-Detroit game to get a full handle on that. But they're all going to decide the destiny of that. As a football fan, you want Minnesota to go away, right? It's just like. I think so. I mean, we spent the weekend wondering if they're going to trade for Daniel Jones, or Kirk Cousins. Cousins had, what did he have, four interceptions today? Yeah, he had a bunch. And Jones was, you know, typically terrible for the Colts. So, I don't, I can't imagine that's changing their destiny. We'll see tomorrow night they have Wentz going against Buffalo. It's, it's, you know, it's a bad sign with your starter when you, you bring in your backup and the line doesn't move. Right. It's the exact same line with your starter or your backup. Probably means you have a problem with your starter. Yeah, that's why I don't want to see them in January. But it is interesting because it's shaping up. Like, they could be a six seed. We're getting way ahead of ourselves here. At least I am. The Giants could be a three seed. If it's McCarthy going to MetLife in that first round, that'll be fun. In a way, I would root for that, but not at the expense of. Oh, that's, you're right. That's a really good revenge game. Yeah. And then in the AFC, we're, we're down to eight teams. Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Denver, all leading divisions. Cincy and Casey are six and two. Cleveland and the Pats are five and four. And then Houston, again, we talked about crossing them off last week. Three and four. Five, easy game coming up and kind of lingering if nine and eight is going to be the seven seed. And, you know, the big revelation today was, was the Pats just stunk. And we'll get to that in a second, but we had to do the cross offs. So we've crossed off. This is not my favorite segment on it's replaced parent corner for me. I spent 20 minutes on it, just looking. And then another 20, I had to put it down and then go away. On Twitter yesterday, you did a college football cross off. So the Ohio State, you crossed them off. Done. So we have Miami, Tennessee, Charlie. Chargers, Arizona, Indianapolis, Jets, and Philly. We've crossed off. I feel great about all of those. Right. Sure. Oh, yeah. It's Washington or Vegas this week, I think. Oh, really? Who did you have? Baltimore. Really? Four and five. Oh, man. I can't. I'm not ready for that yet. Hold on. You know what? You'll, you'll get to pick here or if we're split on this, how does it go? How picks? I don't know how it goes. All right. But Baltimore four and five. No sign of Lamar. Yeah, but they play the Chargers this week. They're going to be five and five, but eight, eight losses. You're out, right? Not winning the vision with eight losses and not getting a wild card. Steelers twice at Bengals at Texans. I know you love the Texans so much. So they'd have to, that would be three. I don't know. Jacoby Brissett's going to save this team. Yeah, that's interesting. It's fine. I know where you're going with the Raiders. They're not winning the division. So let me, let me give you some Raiders stuff. Go ahead. The Raiders. I think I got it. Oh, there it is. They tied a modern record today. They gave up 30 plus points in six straight weeks, which is the record. Second half this week, they had, uh, did five turnovers against the Niners and six possessions. Right. They're four and five now. And the five, anytime they play anybody who's decent, they lose that. I assume they're going to, they're probably trade cousins over the next 48 hours. I don't even know if that hurts them that much. I wrote down that he lowered his, he was intentionally lowering his trade value to get back to Minnesota with all the picks today. Well, it started out as a high third rounder or a third rounder. And by the end of the day, it was like a fifth, but, um, so I just, is Vegas going to make the playoffs? Like that's the thing that's going to happen. They're going to jump the pats. They're going to jump Baltimore. They're going to jump the Browns. You think like, if you're telling me. You think Vegas is more realistic than the Ravens to make the playoffs? I think it's probably close, but I also think I have a weird, weird, uh, attraction to Vegas, the, the city and the team here, because I thought they were in that game. I was almost looking at it as a bad beat for Raiders Moneyline players today because every single break went against them. Yeah. They had a turnover on downs and turnovers in the, in the red zone. Right. And the goal line. But then I looked at the box going, the 49ers kind of dominated. Like they, it's the running game is awful. Yeah. 24 yards rushing. They only had 240 total yards and catch up football. They lost time of possession by 17 minutes. Um, I think you're right. Well, I actually think, I actually think the correct answer is, is the Washington commanders. Okay. They're two, five and one. Yeah. There's three games behind the giants. Right. And they have no chance to be a wild card because right now they're four wins. They're, they're basically four and a half wins. They're four and a half wins behind any wild card spot. So there are only chances to pass the giants or Dallas. Right. And I don't see that one happening. They play the giants Thursday night. We could wait on it. That's at, but that's at giants on Thursday night. Right. And they're not going to beat the giants on Thursday. They tied them. I mean, the giants are a little. Cincy Houston at Minnesota at Jacksonville. That's four more wins. Probably. All right. Four more losses. All right. Yeah. Okay. So that gets them the nine losses. Plus they have the tie. Like with the tie, they'd have to go. They screwed up. Eight, eight and one or nine, seven and one to win the division. And right now they're two, five and one. So they'd have to go on a seven and two heater down the stretch. They're not good. And just FYI. And the truth is Jaden Daniels. We've seen him be excellent before. He has not made a push towards that. Whereas Stroud at least has, you know, Ravens. I don't know what the hell could be. All right. Yeah. I like the Ravens. You like the Raiders. I think we take the commanders. I don't think we're going to have. I don't think we're going to have egg on our face for any of these picks. I like that. Come January. We each like one and we're just going to go with the third choice that neither of us. That was basically our second place finisher for both of us. Yeah. Well, they have two wins. You're right. Two is not a lot of wins at this point in the year. Well, here's the other thing with them. They're, you know, they, they've scored 13 points today against the Rams. They beat Philly 17 against San Francisco, 13 against Indianapolis. I don't know. I think their season is over, but it's going to officially be over on Thursday night because the Jets are going to beat them. That's fine. I'm going to root for them. I'm rooting for them Thursday. One of these is going to come back to Haunted City. No, no. We're good. We're good. Okay. Patrick from Wisconsin wants to know why we can't have the first ever cross-off division and we just cross off the entire NFC South. Ooh. That's good. That's not technically legal, but considering all of them only have three wins. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't it funny though, how this division is holding us hostage? Like some of these teams, the Raiders and Ravens might be better than like three of those teams in the NFC South, but we just can't cross one of them off because it's so easy to win that division. Six games, seven games. I mean, the Saints today, what they did to the people that had the Saints minus three in real life or Ringer 107 over and over again, just, I, I, the funny thing is there's going to be a narrative that the Browns have found a QB with Shador. Right. Which is funny. I mean, I think that's a good thing. actually watch the game, right? He had three big plays. One was to Boston down the sideline. He threw it up for grabs. The D-back had it and just mistimed his jump and Boston jumped over him. but it should have been a pick. So that was one. The second one was Concepcion, which was a short pass over the middle. He took it across the field and went all the way. And then the third one was fan in an overtime where it was a short pass. He just broke like seven. I wanted to tackle. Yeah. For some reason, nobody wanted to tackle him. He did make a couple of good plays. I will say like he had a good QB draw. He had a really nice like third and long in the fourth quarter, but they also had six points against the saints for most of the game. He had 38 yards passing at halftime. They should have put him away. It was like the Bears tonight. It's just two inept franchises here. And then Jordan Tyson was like, welcome to the 1 p.m. slate, Jordan, and to the NFC South. Nice big fumble to start. And then, of course, they have to torture us by letting that game go all the time. He had a fumble right at the goal line. It was the dumbest game of the day. They basically, they're up seven in OT, and they're minus three. So really, the only way you're going to get screwed is if the Browns score, go for two, and don't get it. Now, so they score with a minute left. They have no running game to speak of. They have Shador Sanders as the QB. And I would say the chart would say, oh, yeah, you should go for it. Actually, the people I was watching with today, we were saying, maybe go for the tie. Like, if you're the Browns, you're five and two, right? Is that their record? Yeah. They were five and three. Five and three before, yep. So if they get the tie, they're five, three, and one. And then if you get nine, seven, and one, or 10, six, and one, that's seven seed, right? But instead, they don't get it. And then, whatever. It may be worth it to chuck around and find out, leave a minute left on the clock to see if Saints can come down. But I will say this. For everybody, it talks about, you got to have the hammer here. You can't give it up. You know, they went for two. And this was, as far as analytics go, this is probably the most obvious situation to go for two, right? Yeah. As obvious as it was, you still have to cash in on a 50-50 proposition for it to work out. Right. This is what I mean with all these people. Like, you got to go for it all the time. You got to go, like, all right, you got to make. Make it, though, or it's over. I know it sounds stupid, but you're still at 50-50 with something like that. Well, it's. The odds are allegedly 50-50, but I have Shador Sanders in short yardage. I have a running game that my two running backs were 25 for 71. Or my. I don't know. It's even worse than that. 33 for nine. So they're basically less than three yards a carry. And the play they end up getting is, like, Shador Sanders throwing an out at where the pylon was, to somebody that the odds of that working out seem pretty slim, and they got a penalty anyway. So, I don't know. I think you could have made a case. Kick it. Hope Shuck throws a pick. You know. Yeah. I will say. It's just not so obvious that everyone, like, gets so goddamn wound up about. I will say, I thought the Saints played way better than the score on what their yardage was. They had guys open deep the whole game. I think those three receivers, now that Tyson is back, and Tyson was open a bunch of times in that game, but those three receivers are pretty good. I thought Shuck was great in the second half. Now, Cleveland's obviously not that good, but there's. They have enough going on that I feel like if they can get a little healthier, especially on defense, maybe they could be frisky and that would be the team I picked as the challenger to the Bucs. Whatever. All they have to do is win three, four games the rest of the way. But to show you how inept some of these franchises are, Audrick Estimé is cut by the Browns. He was on Monday. Did you see this? He's picked up by the Saints on Tuesday. He runs for almost five yards a carry and scores a touchdown on Sunday. He was good. Perfect. Your stupid team managed to stay alive. Now you're four and five. C.D. Lamb, you just never know. Is he going to show up today or is he going to be in a fog for three hours? Today, it was like, oh, he cares today. Ten catches for 195. You almost doubled their total yards, 508 to 271. But in classic Dallas fashion, you had 14 penalties. You had two turnovers. You let them hang around. And there was a moment in the fourth quarter when it seemed like the Colts were going to win and your season was going to end. Listen, the Cowboys are really good again, man. I mean, what a gutty display of perseverance and grit. The kind of team that makes it deep into January. The C.D. Lamb fumble was hilarious. Like one of the funniest plays in football history. Like what would you say the three funniest? Like that. Fumble every time. Fumble is the funniest. Lucy pulls the football away from Charlie when he lines up for a kid. What was the one where the fake punt where there was nobody blocking and that Colts guy just got tackled? That was one of my favorites. Yeah, that was good. That was against your team, right? Yeah, that was funny too. Yeah, I hated this game. You know, I'm screaming at my TV about the Brandon Aubrey extension. That's how bad it goes. But we get over 500 yards and 153 penalty yards like you mentioned. So I don't know. The Colts are bad. Chris from Colorado wrote in if the Colts hadn't blown it and actually came back and won and the game ended with clipboard Carly. He called her showing the camera notebook page that read suck it Sal and big bold letters. Would that have been the greatest moment in the history of your podcast or the greatest moment in NFL history? I would have the podcast. I'd have to take her on as my wife. I wouldn't even bother getting divorced. I'd have to suck it Sal. Now that's going to be in a, a meme somewhere. Listen, what about her? Don't take this personally, but this league is so delightfully opposite from the NBA. Why did the Colts play Jonathan Taylor and Daniel Jones? They have until Tuesday to get an offer they like, right? I know. And why would you keep Jonathan Taylor when you just traded your best run blocker? Yeah. You have a terrible quarterback situation. I can't believe anyone wants to trade for Daniel Jones, especially after watching him. No, I know, but John, like Jonathan Taylor, like if Charbonnet and price get hurt today for Seattle, like they're probably going to make an offer for Jonathan Taylor. Why are you putting him in? I don't know. She's still the second most clueless owner in that game. So she's, she's got that going for her. Yeah. Jerry took a beating. We talked about it on Sunday last week and then the whole week he got killed and a lot of the same stuff we talked about Sunday about why do your team's worth all this money? Why do you cheap out on your coaches? Right. And, uh, and guess what? After a week of dialogue, we had no answers. Oh no, no, there'll never be an answer. He's a little, I thought we voted him out. Why is he still in there? What was Tuesday for? We tried to cross them off, but you can't cross off owners. Um, okay. We're going to take a break. And then we're going to come back and we're going to talk about a really horrible Patriots game. Yeah. And I'm not going to be that nice either, but that's coming next. The Bill Simmons podcast brought to you by FanDuel. Monday Night Football just got a lot more rewarding with FanDuel Rewards Club. You can unlock exclusive offers throughout the NFL season, including Monday Night Football. Talking profit boost, promotions, more ways to get rewarded on the matchups you're already watching. whether you're building a same game parlay around the game or betting on your favorite player props, there's plenty to get in on. Before Monday Night Football kicks off, head to the FanDuel app. Check out what's available for your level. Make this your most rewarding season ever with FanDuel. 21 plus select states are 18 plus DC or Wyoming. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. 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Well, it's very un-American to go against Vegas, I think, just in general. Do we know it's America too? Like this could be loaded up with voters from New Zealand. I don't know if this was Blue State, Red State, World Cup. Worldwide, whatever. Could be anywhere. I think Vegas is, Vegas isn't making the playoffs. That team's terrible. Yeah, I know. Let's do Vegas. I think we're good. We don't really have a hard decision for another month, to be honest. Because honestly, JJ could get hurt again and Washington could win the NFC East at 7-9-1 or something. Vegas is not making the playoffs. I'm just looking. If they upset Seattle and they're 5-5, are you going to freak out? No. No. Let's do Vegas. Fine. Thanks, America. So, Washington. Washington got a reprieve. They're like, who is the death row lady? They're like, they thought they were on death row. Oh, yeah. Can't kill her. Speaking of death row, the Patriots. So, Tom Brady was there and it could have been have gone two ways. It was either like Tom Brady's there. No way we're losing or Tom Brady's there. This was bad. Juju Bob craft was not there. And as it turned out, it mattered way less with the Patriots did and more of a Jordan love did. Cause he was incredible. He was incredible. 23 for 29, three 72, six 20 plus yard passes. He threw 370, 337 yards to two receivers. He only played five, six of the game and just absolutely murdered us. And there were plays where we played good defense. We had good pressure and it just didn't matter. He, uh, he feels like he ended Christian Gonzalez, his career. I'm going to check tomorrow to see if he retired or not. His MVP ads are up to plus seven 50. And most importantly, Sal, I was saying he was going to be the new nerd King because Herbert was over. I, he shed it completely. He's an MVP. He it's demeaning to him. He was, Speaker 2: I was saying he was going to be the new nerd King because Herbert was over. He's an MVP. He was going to be the new nerd King because Herbert was over. He was, he was going to be the new nerd King. He was that good. He was excellent. And you were very, very confident, Billy boy. You, I, I read the text back and said, Hey everyone, the Pats are winning today. I said, Oh, and they turned out to be the only very confident favorite to lose today. It was really confident. Yeah. He was great. And I think the moral of the story is if you can't run the ball, which they can't make sure you have a couple of receivers who can go for 200 yards per game each and maybe in the same game. So just phenomenal. Just, and I knew I, Speaker 1: We both talked about like, there's going to be big plays all over the place between both teams, but my God, they couldn't stop them. And I'm going to give the defensive credit to four sacks and nine quarterback hits 10 sacks in the last two games. Yeah. And Micah Parsons isn't even back yet. T I don't want to see this team anywhere near my schedule. Speaker 2: Three picks for may two were his fault, but then he threw a fourth one that they dropped. He was just bad and, and not great. I'll talk about him in a second. Mike for Abel. Speaker 1: That was the worst coach game we've had since he was with the bats. Wow. I thought, you know, listen, he saved the team last year. He took over for Mayo. He Brit instilled this new culture. Um, he rejuvenated a few guys in the team. He made them a playoff team against a fairly easy schedule. He had a couple of good coaching moments this year. Like the Buffalo game was really good. He was fucking terrible today. They had two receivers and no running game. Yeah. Like this, this goes back to the old, I want to watch Belichick coach for two decades. And the number one things with Belichick was whatever. They're the best at try to take it away and make them. If they, if they're right-handed, make them play left-handed. That was like his thing. This team comes in with two receivers. How did the two receivers then beat us when they can't do anything else? Like we should have, why weren't we playing seven defensive backs? Let them Josh Jacobs got hurt in the first quarter. Let their fucking backup running backs run the ball. Five yards of carry. Great. The one thing I don't want is for these guys to torch us. Why weren't we jamming them at the line? What was Gonzalez doing? There's that one play. We had three D backs against two receivers near the end after the game was falling apart and Watson somehow just runs by Gonzalez anyway, and gets open. It's like, what are we doing? We don't have seven defensive backs. I thought it was like watching, uh, Gerard Mayo was back in the sideline again. Well, I don't know why he wasn't what happened with him. I mean, maybe the news come out this week that might've like frazzled him. Vrabel. I have no idea what might've might've gone down, but honestly, like, I know I can't believe you. I got you, but wait, how much are you going to blame him? Christian Gonzalez won the best in the league and was just terrible. He allowed seven for one Oh five to one receiver and three for 82 against the other one. No one's ever done this in seven years. Yeah. We gave this guy a giant extension. We kind of expected him to be able to cover Matthew golden instead of just getting annihilated by him. I'll go the other way. How about just take those guys out? Let's play a half. And where they're not getting open and getting downfield on us. Yeah. We have seven defensive backs, but at that, I just thought it was awful. Well, if you're a Packer fan, you're fired up because you're on a, you're on a championship wave right now with the, with the brew crew. Oh yeah. You traded Giannis and it looks like you got out in time on that one. You're five and one in your last six love is I think a top five or six quarterback. Now do you have this Watson golden combo, which is great. You have 16 take, takeaways on defense already. And you have Parsons coming back and you have a defense that looks really alive. And that Atlanta that, that week three, when Atlanta just beat the hell out of them on a Thursday night, I just throw that game out. I think that's the weirdest game of the year. If you throw that game out, green Bay has been one of the best four teams in the league. And I don't know, to me, they look like a team that could play in the NFC title game. I'm not saying they will, but they are a conference title game type of team. I agree. Yeah. That seemed like a January beat down what we saw this afternoon. And, but the only thing I worry about is another weird game they had was against Minnesota, which I think they outplayed them for a lot of that game in week one. They have them this week. That was the refs though. The member that we, that was the worst officiated game of the year. I remember it. I had them all over the place, but they, uh, but it's just going to be one of those things where we're so high on them and they the bed this week. Like that's I still like them, but we talked about how great this division is. They're over on there's 10 and a half wins. I would normally love that after seeing what I saw today and minus two 10 to make the playoffs. Uh, I, I think it's worth it. I think I'm, I'm back in the floors camp here. I don't like that. They can't run the ball at all. So it didn't matter today because they just kept getting 30 yard passes whenever they basically needed anything, but big picture, they're going to have to figure out how they can run the ball at some point. Yeah. Johnson was okay down the stretch, but what was Brady's worst team? I was trying to think like you had a couple of years, maybe not like this, where the running game was. So you always had like a James white though, type, right? You kind of need that. No, we had the Oh 16 at Lawrence Moroni. There's Lawrence Moroni. Yeah, that was, that was a bad one. We had some, we had some rough ones. We had like the commit the running back by committee years with Burkhead and people like that. Um, so you can't overcome it. It's just, but we always had guys who could at least they could get short yardage and they could catch the ball out of the backfield. Right. We had the Garrett blunt for a while, but we were always able to patch it together. What I saw from the Packers today, this is going to be those two receivers. And by the way, Christian Watson is an exactly Cal Ripken jr. You know, so to get a full season out of him, we'll see crafts coming off an ACL. Um, golden got hurt last year a couple of times. Yeah. I like them. I mean, but this division's a gauntlet and somebody I would, if you had to pick which, if one of those teams aren't making it, I think my pick this week would be Detroit. They seem the shakiest to me. Yeah. It's tough. And now golf is turning the ball over and everything and things like that. And I mean, the, the, the dolphins, even though they looked awful, they put together a blueprint of how to beat them. Like keep Gibbs 75 yards combined and let golf turn the ball over and you'll still lose, but you'll, you'll be in it for sure. I'm just hoping Minnesota goes away in this division and maybe the Packers smack them next week. That that'll be a, there'll be on their way downfall. Yeah. Minnesota loses to Buffalo tomorrow, gets smacked by the Packers and six and three would be the right record for them. Well, if you're a Pat's fan, this is the problem. It wasn't just that just wasn't just a loss. That was way worse than a loss because you leave that game, you feel worse about Drake Bay. You just do. You feel worse about Vray Bay. You just do. You feel worse about Vrabel. You feel way, way worse about Christian Gonzalez. You feel worse about Ravondre who was having a really good season, but yet again, the fumble happens. You feel the worst about the AJ Brown trade, which now is looking like one of the worst trades in the history of the franchise, right? This is we're now in the mid November and the guys played for an hour, not to mention the bears game where he just dropped passes for two hours, but they gave up this first round pick where the GM said, oh yeah, he had a degenerative knee condition that came out a week ago. Um, and then the schedule where you'd be like, yeah, no, no, no. We were way better. That schedule thing was stupid last year. Well, their schedule is really hard this year. They play Buffalo twice. They play the NFC north. They play Seattle, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Denver, Casey. They played a bunch of those teams already, but this is, you know, they're, those are all playoff teams. They might have one, two, five, six, seven, eight, nine. They might have 10 playoff teams on this year's schedule. Not to mention some injuries. Yeah. Uh, we lose a guard every game today. It was Ben Brown. There was a guy Brady called out the backup, backup, backup, backup left guard who completely whiffed on a play where a may got smacked. Um, I thought this listener, Evan in Charlestown summed it up. He said, it's so clear. The Patriots are going to be a seven seat at best. I sent this text five seconds ago and it might be my rock bottom for this year. Thank God the Browns lost. That's good for our playoff. Chances. This is ugly. I agree. Like the seven seeds looking like the, the, the best outcome here. But what was the game that, uh, was it after the Jaguars where you were just the spawn that like, you're not as bad as well. The Jaguars was different. Cause that was like, is Drake may, right. Is he having like a meltdown? Yeah, this was like, we just got our asses kicked at home with Tom Brady and Gronk and all these Patriots in town in a game where. You had 10 days rest. You played Miami last week. You're playing the Packers this week. The Packers are a little banged up. Like this should be, you know, let's see it. Let's see what you got. And, and they suck. from the first minute. The first minute they were terrible in this game. So I was pretty bummed out. But this is a very good team. And look, you're going to, look at that schedule. You got the Chargers, which is no possible way you can lose that game. You'll have the Vikings at home in December. I think you'll be alright there. You have the Jets and you have the Dolphins and then you have a whole bunch of other teams you could beat. And you have a top 25 quarterback in the country. I mean, that's nothing to sneeze at. We're a seven seed. So in round one, we're in the 2-7 matchup playing. Well, you're not going to win the Super Bowl. I'm just getting you to the playoffs. Well, we made the Super Bowl last year. Those are the expectations. Yeah. Alright. I'm upset. You're fine. Hench came over for the Pats game today. Oh, did he? Yeah. He was on his phone watching Bruins Highlights halfway through the second quarter. What? Yeah. And I was like, come on, Hench. We're going to come back. There's so much time left. He checked out. Bruins Highlights? Yeah, he was checking out. Two of you watching Bruins Highlights. You're at UCLA. He's Boston. One of the Kachucks started a fight with one of the Bruins and started the game today. So we had to watch that. But yeah, Hench was upset. Okay. Enough on the Pats. We had to talk about the Jets. I guess we do. So I had them in Ringer 107. I had them plus 20 in a 10-point tease from Thursday with the Jags and the over in the Jags game from Thursday with the Jets. Jets are up 6-0. I'm like, I'm good with this plus 20. If you didn't watch this game, I can't even describe what happened in this game. Mahomes' career was over for 90 seconds. Did you see that? Yeah. We were talking, everyone I was watching with, we were talking about who's their backup. Do you think if it's only a dislocated shoulder, can he come back by December? They showed the replay. His arm is behind his head over here. It's a two-point game. And it was like this guy, his career's over. Then they cut to him and he's just throwing the set. It's like, what happened? He's a superhero. His elbow looks shredded, right? Like you said, like a career defying hit. And then he just reenters the game. He's like, it's okay. I have a backup elbow. And then he's like 242, two touchdowns, no interceptions. He's fine. He's right back. It was such a bad hit. I don't know if it was a rotator cuff, shoulder, elbow. It could have been five things. He came off. He's like doing the dead arm, turning off the crowds, you know, horrified. And you had the Jets who somehow end up losing this game by like 27 points. And they did something today. Very few teams can pull off the Jets. They played so poorly that Kansas City laying points had it wrapped up in the third quarter. When does that happen? When are the Chiefs ever laying more than three and you're like, oh boy, this is going to come down to the last drive. They're going to win. But yeah, they are in very rough shape. They had a, now people are saying this is a good move, but they had a fullback kicking off because their extra their special teams is so bad. Did you see this? Yeah. Yeah. So they have an extra tackler on the field. It's so Adam Sandler, water boy ask. I'm not sure they know what they're doing anymore. They're down 1412 with a minute 33 left in the second quarter. They hit my homes. My home's arm goes behind his body and sideways and his career is over. The Jets get the ball first down. On the kids on the Kansas City Thursday, the 30 down to breeze all runs for five. That's the right move. Get the clock on. So Casey can't get it back. Yeah. Second down breeze hall runs for three, but they get a 15 yard face mask and now it goes backwards and now there's 47 seconds left and the Jets celebrate that by calling timeout. Does that make sense? Then they go Gino 11 yards to Casey's 26. Now it's third down. Casey now calls timeout because they're like the Jets are idiots like that. Let's call timeout. We're going to get the ball back because they're going to do something stupid. Gino will probably take a sack because that's how stupid this team is. Next play Gino seven yards back takes a horrible sack like he just can't help himself. Casey calls timeout. They're like this team so stupid they're going to try a 53 yard field goal right now. Yeah. What do they do? They try the 53 yard field goal. What happens? They miss it. Oh, I can't believe it. Casey has the ball in the 40. They drive down to the Jets 38 56 yard field goal from Bucker who couldn't make a 25 yard field goal. If you ask them at this point, what are the Jets do? They jump off sides. They give him a second chance from 51 and he misses it again and they go to halftime at 14 to 12, but you know, they're going to lose and that's it. I should have bet the Chiefs at halftime. That was it. Yeah. And yeah, I'm just thinking like somebody they should hire somebody to bring a chart. To like a Carly type to bring a chart to the coach Aaron Glenn and be like, hey, we're trying to field goal here. You know we've been outscored 2000 to nine in the last six years in the two minutes before the half. Like maybe we just take a knee. Maybe we should be done when you said they were going to bring him something. I thought you're going to say smelling salts or cocaine. He needs something with two minutes left. It could help. Yeah, I got an email. I mean, he is one of the worst NFL coaches of this century since we've had this podcast. I can't believe how awful he is. Bob from Pearl River wrote in Aaron Glenn now has a worse winning percentage than Hugh Jackson. Hugh Jackson was 1144 and one and Aaron Glenn is five and 21 and wants to know like, is that two of the four in the Mount Rushmore since we've been doing that? It certainly is. I went all time. Burt Bell was 10 for 46 for 179 winning percentage. Hugh was second worst all time 11 44 with a two of five. But you know, this is only two seasons. Aaron Glenn's not getting a third one. If you go to season guys, um, Brian Callahan for 19 Marty Morning Wig and Chris Palmer five and 27 each and somebody named Rod Dauhauer in the eighties, five and 24. What team is that? It was, it was Arizona and somebody else in the mid 1980s. So Glenn is one of the five worst coaches who has won five games. At least since we've started since basically the merger. And then there's Spagnola was 11 for 40 Gus Bradley, 1141 David Shula, 19 and 52. This is the company Aaron Glenn's in. But if I'm a Jets fan, let's keep them until the rest of the season. This is the best asset we have. I was just going to say, do you think if he asked nicely enough, he asked Woody Johnson the management or whoever's in charge like, Hey, I don't deserve it, but can you give me another year? I really want to break this record. Like Bill broke it out. This guy wrote from Pearl river, wrote an email and I just, I just, we're not going to win next year anyway. So let's just come on. Let's have some huge accident. 11 for four, 11 and 44. I think I could beat it. Yeah, I could do it. There you go. 10 and 45. I got this first half two minute thing going. Well, I mean, so if you're running the Jets, you have to keep them at this point. Well, for the rest of the year. Yeah. I'm not making the playoffs. This guy's the best tanking asset we have because the other team that's doing a really good job tanking in a good way is Miami. Yeah. Cause Miami is losing every game. They, they're hunt. They have what? 180 million in dead salary cap space this year or whatever. Yeah. Every game they're in it. They're frisky. You have no idea how they're doing it. Yeah. And, but they're losing, but there's a culture of like, we're at least competing. The Jets are the opposite. They're losing and every game, every time they cut to the sidelines, somebody in the Jets is throwing a helmet, right? Yelling doing this, you know, it's just the weirdest. I don't know. It's tough. Cause there's a lot of pressure. You're in New York a lot more than in other places to get rid of these guys. Unless you're Aaron Boone. I just feel like these guys, you know, if you're management, you're worried about catching a shiv on the way out from the training facility or something. So I don't know if they keep them around or not. This is a bad team. Yeah. I mean, you would say, well, he's not calling the plays. Yeah. With a minute 30 left, but it over and over again, the same terrible things are happening at key points in the game, especially the end of the second quarter, start of the third quarter. Always like, you know, the Lombardi was just called the middle eight, the most important part of the game other than the end. And the Jets are the worst at that, that I think I've ever seen in my life. Maybe you should go for a walk during the middle, middle eight. Maybe you should go pee. Yeah. Maybe with like three minutes left, he just leaves peace sitting down. Yeah. Do that. The defense was really good though for Casey. I know it would, but they had five sacks. They forced that fumble, which was kind of big at the time, right? You've got, and I don't know. I just feel like if they're going to play like that and Walker goes for one 50, they're going to be tough to beat. Even with my homes, not really great. Like his air yards, the last four games were the worst in 20 years. He's not, he has not been the same guy. It hasn't really mattered. You know, it was back today. Chris Jones. Yeah. Like in a way, like I know actually noticed Chris Jones, which I can't say. Um, I always have, look, if you watch this game, the Jets came out, they had like a 10 minute drive to start the game, got a field goal, right? And breeze hall look good that the hall Allen combos, they were moving the ball. Like it really felt like they were going to either win or come close and they lost by I don't know, 24, 35, 12. Yeah. One do the homes voice again. I really enjoy that. Yeah. Bill. All right. Let me ask you this bill over on there. Six and a half of these AFC teams make the playoffs us the bills, the pats, the Bengals, the Steelers, the Jags, and the Broncos. The over is minus one 35. So basically the Browns are cracking that Browns are Texans, your beloved Texans. I think at some point we're gonna have to coordinate on a andrew the giant luck and patrick mahomes doing the podcast for a segment whatever tag team yeah houston's still alive i'm not getting them out yet the uh vegas diners we talked about a little bit earlier but um a couple couple things about the raiders just because i feel like i've watched a ton of them because there's only three late games every three four late games bowers and mcbride are just in a death match for cheap meaningless fantasy points in the last hour of a game mcbride they're so they're trying to get mcbride the cheap touchdown at the end of today they couldn't get it for him bowers ended up getting one but that's been fun the genti pick he sucked again today i think he's basically 25 yards a game for six the next four picks after him were membo tett mcmillan banks the saints left tackle and loveland which is right pretty tough i i'm gonna go on the record now and i finally landed on this and i don't know if there's no scenario where i ever take a running back in the top 10 ever again for any ever again yeah i don't care the guy could be boat jackson crossed with jesus i but unless i'm 11 or beyond i'm not taking them i'm with you unless it's a complete like if the patriots had a top 10 pick by some stupid trade they made like that maybe maybe but if you're a team that is just not gonna win like the raiders or the cardinals and you're getting them to get that extra year that fifth year contract what it's a what you're going to do is you're going to wasting two of those years already you're not going to be good the first two right as we see you're not good the third or fourth or fifth so and that's if they work out too like if it works out i'm with you i would never take a running back i hate even if the cardinals had taken the the kid the giants took yeah who was really good today yeah you know if you look at the if you look at the money for the contracts this should tell you what to do because the running back like the best contract you're ever getting as a running back is like 13 million a year and you're not going to be good the first two years you're not going to be good the first two 14 million a year right like barkley at the peak of his powers was like three from 45 but wide receivers are 140 150 left tackles are over 100 million um edge rushers they're they're nine figures so why wouldn't you take the guy in the top 10 who is the guy that makes the most money when their second contract comes up or just wait for the browns to cut somebody on monday and then pick them up on tuesday and that's your running back estimate yeah yeah i do want to say like just back to this game for a second i thought about what you said about the peanut punch yeah it's like basically you're right it's like a free shot at assault and you don't get penalized for missing yeah first of all every defender on the 49ers does it yeah it's it's it's like if they're in a class it's like when the when when our wives go to some like jujitsu class and try to try to learn moves or something and every i think they're teaching the peanut punch class i think it might be like manny packey i was holding her hand and she was like manny packey i was holding her hand and she was like manny packey i was holding her hand and she was like manny packey inside the electrical substation by the practice field so it's crazy it's like these quick jabs it's like the thomas hearns against a ran punch there's less violence in the parking lot outside the stadium post games nighters raiders oh my god i think they're gonna have to do something like a defenseless ball carrier i mean or should running backs be punching with their offhand to defend themselves i don't i don't know it's just a weird game it's gonna be all penalties and peanut punch outs in the next five years fantasy murderers through nine weeks hampton and the chargers aj brown jenty saquon pickens and a chain i'm gonna say doesn't count um but out of those i think hampton's probably the mvp so far yep he was 45 46 47 bucks i don't know if he starts was he on a team it was that much yeah in our league he went for over 40 i think i had to start him in another league and then i'm like what the hell am i doing this team goes 40 drives without scoring i can't yeah why would i put him in and he's lucky if he gets 50 yards and so i think hampton's the winner yeah pickens and aj brown i think i don't remember who is more expensive aj brown's definitely up there though right we'll see if he can rally for the playoffs um a really good game was denver carolina which had bryce and versus bow knicks mm-hmm in a battle of qbs that you just change your mind on 45 times as you're watching the game you just can't you're never just going to settle on an opinion with either guy bow actually really looked good in the first half then it died then it kind of came back bryce looked awful then all of a sudden he was pretty good then he was bad again and we just ran around this game had 55 first downs and no play over 26 yards wow and carolina covered the t's was the uh was the tldr they threw us off denver because they scored 10 in the first quarter and that just never happens but what's funny is they were a sizable favorite down 14 13 in the third so no one's surprised by the shenanigans like fandle no one's like yeah yeah we're their favorite we know what they do in the fourth quarter and they it takes an interception that just defies everything you would ever learn in a high school physics class like it went off his foot and then like knee butt like it was hacky sacking in the end zone and uh and that was it that's that's all they need it's very strange still have no opinion on denver yet i could see that team losing in any of the first three rounds of the playoffs i can see them making the afc title game and us being like wow how did you see there they've won 16 not counting playoffs they've won 16 straight one score games yeah denver that doesn't seem like a real stat insanity since the atlanta borough making his mvp case he's now plus 230 he was 24 for 29 with three tds the big thing was uh chase it it was kind of in flying around the vicinity of a flipper anderson game briefly halfway through the second quarter he had like 140 yards and there was 38 minutes left and we're in madrid spain i was prepared for anything but then they just kind of moved the ball elsewhere what else did you notice from the game he's a phenomenal athlete and also has the stickiest gloves known to man yeah like he's he's like our friend brad who's constantly spilling sun-kissed and grape soda eventually like brad could rake a lawn with the palm of his hand so yeah um yeah great and like you said borrow the favorite it it's going to be tough to wrestle away from him if they win the division he's got 20 touchdowns and six interceptions he's going to have 40 touchdowns and like 4500 yards their schedule is basically the pats last year they're six and two right now they have washington carolina indianapolis baltimore and two cleveland games left right so they're going to get to at least 11 or 12 wins i i still think josh allen's going to win the mvp um and the creamer wise to the top but um yeah it'll be probably one or two seed like whoever gets it we'll we'll do that but the falcons are um what a weird we were texting about how the first half of stefanski's season here with them they lose the first three or four and then they look amazing on prime time for a couple weeks yeah clearly the best in the division right we didn't even mention the tampa back and now back to dog shit i mean it really is like bijan will be or anybody else they just they can't put it together they've lost four or five panics i give up i don't know what to make of him anymore he was so bad last week he was pretty up and down i wouldn't say he was good today i don't trust him at all you don't feel good betting on him you feel way better betting against them and yet they're a half game out of first like that team i don't know i don't know what wins they're gonna end up with i don't even think they think they're good but um but since he handled them pretty pretty handily i woke up early for that one yeah like 645 range i was kind of excited for it since he was already down seven nothing i was like all right figured that would happen yeah because it's light out and we got the we're still living on the daylight savings a little bit so rams washington the rams were dying to blow this game for three hours ended up not happening stafford so on the bright side you have miles garrett and you got a real sense especially down the stretch of what that was going to look like with him and darnell thomas talked about it at halftime a little bit yeah on the other side stafford just has not looked right for for weeks now and he's clearly not 100 and they're just throwing the puka every place 14 for 150 the other guys on the team catch 12 so he catches more than everyone else on the team third and 11 like minute and a half left they're running out the clock and they do like this shovel pass to him and he just gets a annihilated, which is the one thing I wouldn't want to do. Cause you're up seven. Even if you're punting, you're going to win the game anyway. And, uh, and Puka takes a hit now he's hurt and we will see what happens. He could be out for a bit. This is the same knee is probably not a tear, but the same thing that is last year, the same day it was out a month, five weeks. So not great. So he's great. He was the whole team. He had 10 catches. He has 10 catches at half. And then what do you end up with? None of them are easy catches. It's not like those. It's not like a Matthew Golden today where he's just running wide open. Everyone Puka's got guys all over him. They're like degree of difficulty. There's swing passes where he's just bowling people over. He plays three positions. Like I would demand many salaries of this team. He runs the ball and plays deep, really plays as a tight end, you know? And obviously as a wide receiver, but yeah, you're right. Nothing's easy. Arizona next week at Arizona by week. And then green Bay is on Wednesday night, Kansas city on a Thursday night at San Francisco on a Sunday. So if they don't have Puka for those last three, they're not going to make the play. It's tough It is tough because they're not putting up a ton of points I think they averaged 24 a game over the last month. This is not Kurt Warner's Rams but they also scare me more than anyone What did Garrity play? 25 plays? He had three sacks? There was a couple plays where it looked like the Division I high school team playing like the Division VIII high school team in their city where it's like, this isn't fair Who scheduled this? Stu wrote in asking if anything explained the Rams flop of the season better than Chris Myers being assigned to today's game I was just called for Why would he say that? He was in Washington It did him a favor What were the Chris Myers, well now it's a Rams game this year odds in August Probably 10-1 Giants-Philly, who'd you root for in this game? I was rooting for Philly. It wasn't easy but I was rooting for Philly because you divisioned Yeah, I mean that whole thing I mean, they're like the worst 5-1 team of all time Not just through 8 games through 17, they'd be the worst 5-1 team, but I Yeah, you just knew they were going to win this game, right? It wasn't going to be pretty. I barely paid attention Like Barkley scored against his old team, his old flame and that was that There's no flow. The 13 sacks Joe Milton was trying to take heads off on screen passes, trying to break Mizioroski's radar record I don't know what the hell's going on with that team He just has not learned He's just throwing it as hard as he can He was pretty bad. He played like a four-string QB There was a couple moments in that game where it made me go Huh Positive the Eagles want to win this game Oh yeah A couple goofy game decisions JJ McCarthy got liver punched or whatever happened to him during this game and then took one practice throw He was another guy who seemed like his career was over today Yeah Jameis comes in. I had Giants minus three and Jameis came in and immediately overthrew neighbors who was bummed out and then he overthrew somebody else who was bummed out and it was like, oh my god Really? The Phillies up 8-6, Jameis is in It felt like it was going to be a loss Jameis actually put together a couple plays and then all of a sudden JJ was back and Joe Milton did the rest Yeah And the defense, you talked about Arvell Reese I'll say something nice I'll say something nice about them 10 tackles, 3 sacks and you know what, Bill? They have a very special young man in Arvell Reese Not as special as Bucky Irving They talked a lot about how special Bucky Irving was Oh yeah, he was special too because he had braces for seven years I don't know if Arvell had braces at all Can't compare him Joseph White wants to know if we can pour Joe Milton some settled down juice because he did a backflip after a two-point conversion to make it 8-6 Well, that qualified for settled down juice I think it did Did he bet over 7.5 points? Maybe that was it This game was, what was it, 8-6? Then it was 19-11 at one point That's a goofy score That's how it ended Card Seattle, Drew Locke He's fine I don't think they'll be hurrying back Sam Darnold Drew Locke's just good enough to keep them going Seattle rushing 33 for 120 against the Cards and Minshew Magic was on hiatus this week Yeah, Minshew-Locke I don't feel the season really starts until these two hook up and we got it The only promising, sort of promising thing I saw from this game Seattle defense was good Yeah Charbonnet, 16 for 77 So that's it So they maybe solved that a little They don't have the same problem Green Bay has but I don't know I don't know It's still the Cardinals Serviceable game They did what they had to do Took care of business Arizona knocked it 200 yards They had 13 first downs and 3 points You know what I like? I enjoy this new LaFleur Mike on the Cardinals Yeah, he's a big runner on the sidelines Oh my God He's yelling at everybody A lot of energy Very animated He reminds me of like a coach of a 16 seed in the NCAA tournament Oh yeah For Austin Peay Losing his mind It's like, calm down, dude He's coaching Lehigh Yeah Duke's gonna beat you by 40 So just relax You're down 14 There's a minute left Yeah He just beat my team But whatever I feel that way Houston Chargers The good news Five touchdown passes for C.J. Stroud Houston's 3-5 They're back in it The bad news The Chargers are a Keep them on the TV On one of the TVs for as long as possible team Because every offensive possession is just flat out hilarious I just I love watching how bad they are It's like Herbert will actually throw a good pass They'll drop it Or there'll be another one It'll get tipped Tipped a second time Tipped to a defender Or then he'll just throw it to the other team Yeah Well And they show him on the sidelines And he's sitting like this I thought that's Mr. Beast No, that's Mr. Beast No, Mr. Beast is like Oh Very subtle They should put Mr. Beast next to Justin Herbert So it seems like he has more energy He looks like a kid He's like a 10th grader Who the fireworks accidentally went off in his locker And now he's waiting outside to see the principal And he's just like What the hell Oh, geez We're laughing And yet we're already One of our super fans Chris H. reported that Our first futures bet has cashed Not cashed The Chargers over nine and a half That's a loss? We could go 10 and 8 But they don't play 18 yet So I think we're cooked Yeah Herbert has a nine-game interception streak Yeah 10 total Zach in Miami says that The Madison beer effect on him Can we just call it beer goggles? That's good Not bad Travis in Pittsburgh said I heard parent corner last week And immediately thought of Jim Harbaugh If you need a new nickname You could call him Jesus Harbaugh After the piece of shit Who stole Sal's dad's boat Because he's clearly been Swindling Chargers fans Did Harbaugh steal my father's boat? I gotta look into this He should be easy to find at least And then Detroit, Miami Whatever That was it for the games I'm so mad Because that was my best I get I deserve what I get For making Dolphins plus seven My best bet But they were disgusting And yet like I said They played them exactly How the first defense in 30 weeks And not allow Goff A touchdown pass Not to defend that terrible pick But it didn't seem like Malik Willis was healthy Yeah, maybe I felt like he was limping around So the Athletic has these playoff odds The simulator And five teams are 90% in the AFC Jacksonville, Buffalo, Cincy, Denver, and KC Jacksonville is 98% Pittsburgh is 79% And the Pats are 72% And then Cleveland is 32% And Houston is 29% I go over six and a half That offer that Patrick Mahomes made I think the AFC is set Aside from seeding I really do I think the Texans could make a run Yeah, that's what people want to sound smart say No, I'm just saying I think it's conceivable But there's three more I know because they did it Once before But there's definitely three more losses On their schedule, don't you think? You would think At the Packers At the Steelers Jaguars Calusa to Browns Commanders I don't know We had Before we get to guess the Lions Nate from Richmond wrote in He really likes the The prediction markets With the election And What's that guy's name? Kornacki Like that whole world And was wondering what it would be like If we did guess the Lions And we had like Or we're doing teasers I give you basically gamble on this stuff During the election He said you could go I like Abdul down to one and a half Ossoff to minus 10 And I like bringing Collins to plus 5.5 And money lines And all this stuff It did get me excited I like that It was like a three A three politician parlay Just putting stuff together I don't mind that Is that a new podcast? You could do that I mean, Fandle predicts Maybe that'll be our next thing Yeah And then Tyler Robbins from Spokane This was hurtful But he said I've listened to every guest of the Lions pod Since day one I enjoy your funny recurring bits But the funniest running gag by far Is when you unironically mention That Jacoby is rooting for Sal That's like being In a bar in April of 2010 And saying I have a buddy Who's rooting for Butler To beat Duke Yeah, no shit Everyone is rooting for Butler You don't have to mention One guy who's doing that So nobody's rooting for me Against the Lions Everyone just roots for you Oh, and I'm Butler That's how I found out Wait a minute I'm Butler That's the worst thing of all And I'm Duke Everyone's insulted Jacoby's not just one guy Jacoby was your producer For a million years He's been your friend For two million years Maybe he's not my friend Yeah, I know God bless Jacoby I don't know if he's my friend He inspires me Guess the Lions The oxy-cousin has been killing me Are the kidney stones gone? Can you give us an update? I got Thursdays My third and hopefully final procedure They're supposed to be able to get up My narrow ureter now Because I have a stent That's coming out And then they vacuum all this shit out And if it doesn't take I've instructed my wife To just chop off my dick So there we go Okay Because I'm sick of this, honestly When was last time you said When was last time you peed Where it didn't really hurt? First week in September wow yeah it's not fun texting jimmy asking if we should be worried about you and he keeps insisting you're fine i think i'm gonna be fine i'm just i i i don't know just i just have to live a different life it's just weird you have to basically do transcendental meditation before i take a whiz jimmy says you're fine okay this episode is brought to you by paypal the holiday rush is coming and you can get ahead of it with paypal shop your favorite online stores with paypal this season like ebay for collectibles fanatics for team gear walmart for tech check out the flexibility to pay now or pay later and split your payments with pay in four with no interest no late fees shop now with paypal paying for subject to approval learn more at paypal.com slash paying for paypal inc nmls 910457 this episode of the bill simmons podcast is presented by state farm every football player brings something different to the field maybe they have a cannon arm speed power maybe they have their own podcast that being said no two players are exactly alike and the same is true off the field that's why state farm takes the time to get to know you so they can help personalize coverage for your life and budget like a good neighbor state farm is there thursday night guess the lines you're beating me now four three and one you're up four uh four three and two four three two yeah yeah thursday night giants washington jj mccarthy against uh jayden daniels it's in new york in in in jersey giant stadium i'm putting it right in the vegas zone i went giants minus four and a half i thought you were gonna nail this and i was like why did i go two when it's gonna be one and a half i went two it is four and a half and i'm like why did i go two when it's gonna be one and a half it is one and a half wow i'm up by three points so this is all you have to know about the giants that's five two and one against two five and one at home and they lay in the tic tac i don't agree with that at all stupid i love every time i'm way off on a line i'm like i don't agree with that at all even though it's obvious because i just guessed the wrong thing but why are this is what what makes you think washington can go into giant stadium with some loud fans with three days rest and they're not going to be able to win the game because they're not going to win the game and out with the giants that line's going to at least it should be higher it should be higher but jayden daniels is better than jj mccarthy they did tie last time the tie is like a fu to washington right don't we feel like they should have won that game anyway i guess scataboo was running for the game-winning field goal and fumbled both yeah i mean is he back because they have a running problem too they had what was singletary was like 21 for 30 yeah they could not run the ball madrid game the pats were so bad today we're sending them to madrid they're gonna play uh the detroit lions if they lose don't come back i have the lions favored minus two and a half over the pats yeah you get it exactly i said one and a half it is uh two and a half i think that goes up or down i think it goes down okay no injuries right i don't know that i think we keep every week an offensive lineman limps off being helped by three guys in the patriots so and then will campbell at one point was on the sidelines too so hunter henry's christian gonzalez make the trip or is he just like i don't want any part of jameson williams and i'm on raw enough is enough i don't even think his extensions kicked in yet wow i'll say this having lived in boston for a long time and still visiting every once in a while and knowing how to do it i'm not going to do it again i'm not going to do it again i'm not going to the fans are trying to think of who the whipping boys will be this week gonzalez will be first oh yeah because he you know he didn't really hold out but it was you know i'm one of the best cornerbacks in the league and they end up giving him the extension and you give him the extension for games like today and he gets absolutely annihilated by matthew golden and a little bit by christian watson too but he's gonna he'll take a beating so talk radio you go gonzalez maybe silver able second rabel silver and rabel second and the bronze for um that was the worst coach game he's had he has to be second wow mcdaniels will get some remandre when are we gonna have a running back that doesn't turn the ball over and then um definitely drake may right brady's in the house he is drake may throw him pick he had the one pick where brady brady let out the noise before the backer guy jumped the route you see that one yeah but i think it was just because he got a paper cut signing baseball cards or something oh how embarrassing was that can brady go three hours without hawking something it's unbelievable he's like akb what he's i blew my nose i'm gonna put it on ebay that is something else oh i got tops card it's a sign it's a 101 cool yeah what do you say luckily they don't have the stats on the back of my card for how many times i swore this year it's like all right you're doing that on purpose too it's doing a good job this year but i don't think you have to take every dollar right and now i'm gonna get aggregated simmons eviscerates tom brady the tops thing was embarrassing i don't know why they do stuff like that three watchables chiefs falcons in atlanta my home side is arm bending backwards it's fine they just put it back it's okay i have chiefs minus four oh you bastard i had four and a half it's three and a half so with the falcons we're just four times a year they're just gonna look really good for no reason at all and you just have to hope you're not going against someone of those four weeks i think is where we've landed with them right but uh well again you're you're at your own risk with the chiefs on the road laying points right or anytime my thing with the with the falcons in this game i think they're going to be a little bit more of a challenge i think they're going to be a little bit more of a challenge i think they're going to be a little bit more of a challenge i think there's gonna be a lot of chiefs fans at this game oh yeah yeah yeah that'd be my guess a lot of tony gonzalez jerseys either way bill's jets this is in uh giant stadium are these the best games really these are watchables i put this as a watchable because i think when the jets are getting close to the two minute mark in the second quarter it might be the most exciting thing in in football right now well that's why i can't wait to see how you you throw the josh allen and aaron glenn going i can't wait for this does red zone go full screen i don't watch red but did it for that it should go split screen with just aaron glenn and then whatever's happening so we can watch his reaction i like that could we get you should get hugh jackson on the uh on wise guys this week yeah ask if he's nervous about aaron glenn making the record being broken yeah he might replace aaron glenn uh i have bills minus seven okay i get this one uh i said nine it's eight and a half it's a little high you're gonna tease the shit out of that come on i probably am niners at the cowboys you know i sent this guess in and i already have regrets this is in dallas i'm giving dallas too much credit with this i said niners by three and a half no no you're apparently properly crediting them i said six which it really should be it's four and a half yeah that's what i wish i had said god damn it i don't know why i said three and a half cowboys don't win this game please just don't do it don't win this game and then lose like i don't do it don't suck me in for thanksgiving i'm already like in a good headspace where i'll just like be you know rooting for fantasy guys and eating cranberry casserole i'm fine fine to not have to root hard for them what do you think raheem does in this game raheem will take uh first half of the first quarter under first half of the first quarter these guys dissect the game so much one of the highlights of bringer wise guys this year is when tate thought raheem went as himself for halloween that's awesome but then he went as as an actual celebrity yeah and raheem was mad at tate that tate didn't get the costume i was like this is the kind of content that makes the ringer the ringer and this is coming off of tate just killing it with the uh with the what what the um the first ladies of uh rap yeah yeah which was a great great clip and then he lost all credibility there what too many copies that morning for tate it's okay yeah he's he can never find the right balance so we have one home dog in the watchables and then we have a second home dog in the watchables the falcons and the jets and then a third one the cowboys three home dogs oh yeah fairly watchables texans at cleveland i tic-tac the living shit out of this i've used to minus one and a half oh no uh it's four and a half what did i have i had three and a half wow so this is weird right so this is that doesn't make sense to me because the texans were minus four and a half this week against the chargers and i think the browns are three points better than the chargers i would think so too but still shador sanders well i guess deshaun will be back oh it's a deshaun it's a revenge game right that's another thing here um this is uh basically loser gets crossed off i think i think so we could do this yeah i think you're right saints panthers it's in new orleans should we ban any nfc south matchup ban from ranger 107 rest of the year just nobody's allowed to take it it's off the board yeah they should ban it from the whole actual schedule but you can't give advice like ranger 107 ultimately we're hoping people one of us gets hot or multiple people get hot right people take our our bets they hopefully back them and we all win yep it is just not any sort of instructive anything to recommend an nfc south game yeah then you're pretending you know what's going to happen the nfc south none of us do it's impossible yeah it's it's like predicting like what the weather is going to be like six months from now well for instance i have to get on with stewie anthony de bundo tomorrow who's going to brag about hitting his wise wager which was tampa plus about five and a half six and a half it's like well you base that on what a quarterback that completed zero passes last week and seven the week before you got lucky and now you're going to do a lap right and you needed you needed a fumble on third down just get the ball back down eight right to cover yeah he doesn't get to brag about that yeah but i do like when they're playing each other so we could disregard you know what i mean that that's they're not screwing up another game nfc south you know what we're gonna hear at the start of that game hello everyone i'm chris myers in the big easy it's great to be here in new orleans uh seahawks at the guess you didn't guess oh saints minus one and a half was my guess uh that's what i said i was like i'm gonna get it wrong no matter what they have the panthers by one and a half okay i could switch who cares you agree with that i don't know who cares honestly it's like you're fine why would why would the road team be favored against the home team when both teams suck and the saints went to what today they went to four and a half yeah at home yeah yeah you you would think vandal vegas is a vicinity for them seahawks are at the raiders i think i'm too low on this i should have gone higher i have seahawks minus four and a half that's exactly what i had it's three oh it's the opposite wow yep a little lack of respect for true luck what's the score right now uh one two three four five one two three it's tied five five including ties well the good thing is nobody's reading for me i found that out the hard way from whatever listener that was everyone nobody's reading for me guy yeah that's fine i should just go full heel like when bret hart couldn't get over and he's embraced canada right right you americans this country's lazy the la screw job canadian heel bret hart was actually a i thought a really great gimmick yeah when he tried to get the north american you've you've lost your way america when canada we know how to do it and have heart and night heart behind i like that he and night heart is heels yeah yeah they were good he was a good heel yeah he was a good heel he was a good heel he was a good heel he was a good heel he was a good heel poop factor three doozies we get the jags in tennessee god only knows what tennessee's team is going to look like because i'm assuming there's going to be a couple of trade deadline stuff right uh i have jags minus eight and a half for this you're gonna get it i went way low i said seven and a half it is nine and a half you know i thought about that because i thought they would not want us to tease this and nine and a half makes that smart not really teasable smart and then like i said they're playing two weeks after that so what's that going to be 14 yeah yeah at least well especially with this crazy streak the jags have at home right just busting people colts dolphins is another game that's happening it's in indianapolis i have colts minus two and a half for this yeah you got it exactly i said one and a half and the dolphins really shameful that that they're an underdog to this team this colts team my god carly's at like 225 pages that was the word in the street it's a lot a lot of notes yeah jonathan taylor should we trade him staking might get fired tomorrow oh really yeah i think that's in play hmm could see that happening right could he get traded would you could he get traded to the jets with carly that would be fun well what team needs an offensive coordinator that should be the trade oh yeah it's like a fire trade you trade him to a team that can't call plays yeah oh the colts need an offensive coordinator the colts need a coach and an offensive coordinator quarterback you can go there and a gm rams at the cardinals and this is impossible to figure out because we don't know puka's playing devonta adams is not playing matthew stafford is not 100 healthy minchu magic took the week off might be coming back i have rams minus six and a half uh i get this i said eight it is seven and a half so i'm up one you're up one we're both teasing this but no no surprises we're blind betting it they're not losing twice to this cardinals team i know puka is important but they just can't if puka's not playing i'm definitely not teasing this really yeah the other guys the other receiver said 12 catches today i know that's fine they're gonna figure it out maybe they'll trade for one though they can't lose this game sunday night bengal steelers a really good one craig horvath had a tease did you do uh did you miss vikings packers uh i sure did yeah why did i no that was the sunday marquee game did we skip over that yeah i was wondering why the game sucked yeah all right sunday marquee packers home for the vikings packers by three is my pick damn damn it i said three and a half well let me do some math i shouldn't have reminded you of that it's three seven eight i'm up two it's three yeah yeah you're up two with two left sorry jacoby sorry for mentioning you too but well you don't have to just mention america because that's apparently her roots for you it's jacoby in america packers minus three i feel like will be a very public bet this week packers minus three everyone's gonna be in the packers yeah general public will be on the packers they have to be they already lost three and a half should we put a cow can we put up a poll real quick who is america rooting for and guest alliance in general yeah put that up how now who do you root for every week and guest alliance i'm gonna it's gonna i'm gonna have like eight percent of the vote i'm gonna say uh over under uh 24 for you 24 and a half it's ridiculous sun sunday night bangles home for the steelers as the joe burrow mvp buzz builds josh allen will have played two more games before this game oh yeah so we have them basically even but we have josh allen tomorrow against forrest and then josh allen against aaron glenn and the jets so he could be plus 100 for mvp at that point bangles steelers great game craig horvath had a great i saw craig today and he had a great take that i'm sure he used on his pod but i'm gonna give him credit he said he's not even sure it's a take that aaron rogers is just better than matthew stafford whoa yeah really yeah it was really good i was jealous of it what does he even say he didn't say it's not a it's not a take he said he said it's a take but he's not even sure it's a take because it's just factual based on if you've watched a hot take well takes are just like aaron rogers played better than him the entire season yeah and you know what can't really argue it all right it's fine it's a handsome guy you can get away with that okay i have bangles minus three and a half against steelers you wrapped it up you wrapped it up and bowed it and everything else i said three and you uh hit it exactly three and a half you know what once i found out that america wasn't behind me that gave me the strength to really to really care about chris alliance so what was it three and a half you got it right they lost 30 27 and week uh is that week two i don't know i think i like the steelers in this game i think that this is gonna be a ringer 107 pick for me really yeah you know we were talking today about uh because craig's a steelers fan oh that's a craig you and this well crushing about tomlin had jaylen warren on his team the last couple years like jaylen warren's been one of the breakout stars of this year he was on their team the last couple years and he was always in a committee with naji harris all these other people and right there's a lot of stuff getting added to the mike tomlin are we sure he's good files yeah you know like why is this team so much better offensively than last year and why is jaylen warren just blossomed into this you know really really awesome running back well they get better some players get better i get it but it's not um i don't know how much you're bidding on jaylen warren next year 45 dollars no it's a rip-off monday night ravens chargers one of the worst monday night games in a long time flex this the hell out jacoby brissette against beer goggles herbert just uh and they and really the only excitement will be the ravens trying to save their season or herbert trying to uh extend his interception streak to 10 which i'm sure jamis must have thrown interception every week oh yeah if he had 30 yeah yeah i have ravens by six wow i somehow got this i was way low i said two it's three and a half that's so bad i don't know how anyone can watch the chargers and think on the road they should be less than like five point favorites they scored two touchdowns today that was huge they're always at the end of games when the game's over mcdaniel no they always they don't never score they just happen to score today mcdaniel's in the boot you don't think that helps is that with those clear glasses can you move further away yeah they could keep going yeah it's like saturn um boy this is a bad one this is not going to bring uh troy and joe closer i don't think not going to be high-fiving for an overtime win troy's just going to be really tough i know you love this but i don't think he was ever like uh he was ever into it you think he always had that look on his face he was always like yeah i was like all right yeah there was never high five you know not the silly jolly guy like romo was why do you think why do you think mcafee and game day has been such a story the last few weeks what do you mean oh just all the just like everybody's gone no just everybody's gone nuts about that he's ruined game day and all that i don't watch game day so do you feel like it's worse now no i don't care i don't know i mean it was great with corso and the head and everything else but um if you want to take his shirt off it's fine i really don't care i know utah got mad at him and some other spots but they also give away like uh 11 million dollars for a company that's really struggling and kicks and drunk kids kicking it uh 18 yards to the uprights it's people seem really attached to that show it's interesting i just i don't watch it so you know all i do is i turn the tv on and watch bob chesney just win football games yeah like i did this week against going to minnesota against minnesota that was supposed to be the trap game and the and the sneaky one and the one they were gonna f up and nope they couldn't not complete a four-game game they couldn't complete a four-game game they couldn't complete a four-game 40-yard pass in that game it's phenomenal this third string quarterback different burger diphenberger big dude um converted he was like a wide receiver three sport athletes and all of a sudden he grew to six six they flipped him to quarterback and he's like a kind of a belated quarterback but throws a nice deep ball and has like charisma like if you're talking about backups this is i'm not he can't play in the nfl but i'm saying like it's the type of guy like if you wanted a backup qb in the nfl yeah all you'd want is somebody who could throw deep and carried himself like he was good and those are the two qualities he has that's you just described drake may and that's why you're attracted to him i mean he's a backup in the nfl sure but that's it they have multiple skill guys to get open and then you sell it has this this 17 year old hoop player that debuted um from serbia who looks like kevin durant but passes like yokich i mean this is like the best 17 year old i've ever seen in my life so things are good things happening there their baseball team kind of blew it but uh you're home against illinois on a friday yeah i'm not maybe we go to that i don't feel great about the crowd are you around what do you mean i am around we could go to that maybe we should do that is that that's the day after your third penis oh yeah that's right yeah yeah you might not want to go to that well i mean will gurney fit anywhere we'll figure it out we could talk at chesney this episode is brought to you by weather tech whether it's a pumpkin spice coffee that goes in your seat or a weekend tailgate that leaves your trunk full of gear and who knows what you're gonna want weather tech in your vehicle whether you call it fall autumn or spooky season whether the mess is your fault the kids the dogs or the weather's fault you're gonna want weather tech for american-made floor liners and a cargo liner that laugh in the face of fall weather visit weathertech.com today this episode is brought to you by tiktok when you watch a football game you follow the ball right well there's a video on tiktok 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harrison 12 years old he's in this uh snoop dog hushmanzada league out here flag football in the south of the united states he's in the south of the united states Bay. T.J. Hushmanzada and Snoop got together. They got this. It's fun. It's flag football on Friday nights. It's late. There's a DJ there and it's loud and you can't hear yourself talk, but it's a lot of fun. And Harrison, so they were in the finals. They had won 25 games in a row over four seasons, which is basically two years. They're really good. They beat kids all sizes, all ages and everything. If you parlayed $100 and let it roll for 25, no, anyway, so they're in the finals and they win 33-7 and Harrison scores the first touchdown. It's fun times. It's like everyone's going nuts on the sideline and then afterwards they get like this ring. It's probably like a $3 plastic ring. They're heavy, but they're heavy plastic. So he's got like six of these now. Everyone's happy. We take pictures. Coaches, Jamie and Bruce, good job by everyone. And so it's an 8 p.m. game. By the time we get out of there, it's like 9-15. I pull up at home and Harrison says to my wife, do you have my bag? So now he has this blue bag where he puts his flags and his water bottle and his gloves and whatever he and Jamar Chase spray on their gloves and his Apple Watch. And she doesn't have it, obviously. And so they yell at each other for about 30 seconds. And I'm like, all right, let's go back and get it. And my wife's like, no, text the coach and see if he picked it up. I'm like, all right, I think we should go back and get it. You know, too much time has passed. She's like, no, no, just text it. He probably picked it up. So of course I text him, takes him a few minutes to get back to me. He's like, he's like, I don't have it. And I texted the commissioner and no one turned it in to lost and found, but they closed the field at 10 if you want to go down there. So now it's 9-40. And we're we are like 20 minutes away. And I'm like, so I'm like, we're getting back in the car. And Harrison's already now on his iPad watching YouTube shorts with his friends. You know, and I was like, get the F down here. We're driving back. I'm not leaving a $600 watch and hoping it, you know, it finds us. So, and you're coming with me. So they don't have some weird old man like me asking, Hey, did you find this blue, you know, whatever. So he, I need him. So he gets in. We're about 20 minutes away. I'm speeding through. I'm blowing reds all the way there. We get there at 9-54. I run to the field. The gates are closed and there's no way in. Like I'm looking to climb shit and everything and we're not getting it. So now I'm pissed. And I say to him, like, you better hope it turns off up or you could start crossing shit off your Christmas list. And I don't say a word to him on the way back. And I get home and I go in my office. I don't know what I was watching Friday night. There was a game. I don't talk to anyone. Wife wakes up Saturday. She drives down, comes back. And I'm like, well, did you get it? And she's like, yeah, I got it. It was right where I left it. And so now I'm the bad guy. Right. And she's like, and by the way, it's it's not $600. It's $300. I'm like, why am I getting an attitude for a watch that was left there? And you guys are like, oh, whatever. If it's there. So I was like, if it's like if it's $300, it's not worth chasing down right away. So that's it. I mean, it all worked out. But the moral of the story is money or valuables is not a concern here. Basically, you're paying me too much bill. I want you to cut my pay and let my wife and Harrison know you're doing so. Otherwise, we're selling stupid plastic rings. The part I identified the most there is that Harrison was on his iPad within two minutes. Yeah, it's like, oh, well, I have that. That electronic is gone. I got another one here. Son of a bitch. This is a weird parent corner, but remember came over yesterday with his lovely wife. They just had a baby, six month old baby Sebastian. Nice. And we hung out in the backyard and got to hang out with the baby. And my wife was just beyond delighted. And it was, you know, we went through the really he was up. He was happy. Then he was hungry. Then he slept. And then it was like peace and quiet for the half hour when he was asleep. Then he woke up. Then we, you know, we were with them again. And you know, it kind of brought us back. We realized like it's so far since we had kids that you almost don't even remember the whole process of it. My wife was like delighted. And I mentioned this because the night before we were watching Blood Diamond with my son and she fell asleep. Ironically, Blood Diamond. He hadn't seen it. And she fell asleep and he thought she fell asleep. So I was like, well, I don't want to watch this. You told me to watch this and now you fell asleep. And she's like, I wasn't asleep. and he was like you were asleep and they're yelling at each other you were asleep i wasn't asleep and they're just going back and forth and that was the night before and then the next day it was beautiful young sebastian with his whole life in front of him and uh 12 hours before it was my wife my son storming off slamming his door because my wife wasn't honest about whether she fell asleep or not and we never finished we never finished blood diamond a movie i've already seen so it's like welcome to the future robert enjoy enjoy all these great moments with your child because this is where it's headed just dumb arguments about nothing so much like me blood diamond ended in tears for you too but it was only because you guys were screaming at each other i was like we're almost at the part where he's about to get the diamond but why are you guys yelling uh today's prayer corner brought to you by paypal flexible payment options paypal great solution for every savvy shopper this holiday season shop now at paypal subject you G2 approval learn more at paypal.com slash paying for paypal inc and mls910457 are you excited for the uh nfl trade deadline yeah i don't know i um i i think it's going to be underwhelming actually i don't know why you think like palisaro palisaro's in town we're going to be doing ringer and stuff yeah we're we're going does he think well i guess i don't want to blow anything but he thinks it'll be uh pretty lively i i don't know if it'll be pretty lively but i i just feel like some of the teams we watched today why would the colts like keep the team they have i don't yeah like we're running the colts would be like why would we keep jonathan taylor he's gonna be 30 next year right yeah those guys turn a second rounder in town that was stupid yeah i i do wonder it's interesting that minnesota plays monday night the deadline is uh tuesday i don't know what time afternoon right they may have to make a quick decision if they're you know if wentz looks horrible or i don't know running game doesn't look good it's going to be interesting for them so that's going to be fun and we have celtic sixers on tuesday night oh jalen brown and tatum and i just i know so i'm going to make a prediction there will be some sort of story tomorrow on espn.com and i don't know who's going to write it i would put ramona shelburne at minus 130 a piece that would be a little more toward the tatum side or baxter holmes maybe plus 140. for a piece maybe a little more on the trying to figure out what happened with jalen in boston there's going to be some sort of now they tell a story conveniently drop tomorrow that espn will get the whole day of talking head stuff about leading and creating dialogue about this game because that's just the media ecosystem why don't you write a story prediction you should come out of retirement and you look i want to get in front of this and here's four possibilities of what happened you pick up honestly they made the right move with yannis i don't know if they're going to pick up on it but i don't think they wanted them right and i saw him in person on wednesday i talked about him with doc on thursday which started a two-day news news cycle but he's not the same guy that he was five years ago and i think they wanted him because i think they wanted to trade the jalen contract because they knew they didn't want to pay both of those guys anymore and i don't think it was anything more complicated than that then they ended up trading him anyway so if you're the south x you paul george who's like by the way like on he'd make the all-star team if we finish the season right now you get paul george and then you get jalen and then you get jalen and then you get and two picks or you could have gotten yannis and traded out two picks with jalen like i think it turned out great for everybody and jalen's on a good team too well so i don't know ramona shelbourne says you're full of shit and she's going to tell you why tomorrow around it'll be one of that i think it'll be one of those two maybe i don't want to rule out the athletic there might be somebody at the athletic oh yeah somebody's gonna write it i i feel it in the air it usually drops at you know monday morning so they can get the whole cycle out of it but i feel like it's gonna i'm excited for this now just a prediction i don't know if it's gonna happen or not um do you want to talk about staff i know you were very excited about him uh saturday night he's 30 to 1 to win mvp it's unbelievable i i honestly can't believe what he's doing he's 39 it's not just these aren't like he's making 25 footers and it's like oh man he's like beating dudes off the dribble like orlando's putting their best guys on him down the stretch he's just going by them he's going by them left he's going by them right he's really yaxal's the only really good teammate that he has but zempsey's okay draymond's like kind of i would say at a different phase of his career and then it's a bunch of like niang types and it doesn't matter because steph is like 2022 playoff steph right now i don't know how long it's gonna last but it's incredible i actually think like to watch a guard do this is impossible this has never happened in the history really no a 39 year old guard scored a goal and he's like oh my god he's like oh my god he's like oh my god he's like 30 a game in 28 minutes and dominating crunch time and like this is fucking crazy he's not playing a lot a lot of minutes yeah and he's flawless from the free throw line too but yeah no those those points are insane those points are insane it just is crazy two weeks ago we said under under for them and now they're gonna we were right they were they were oh and three they looked terrible and then yaxal had a good game and all of a sudden steph was like uma thurman getting a needle in his heart and in uh in pulp fiction yeah and now i think they have to make a trade like i i actually think if you look at the west and you look at okc with all the injuries they've had san antonio is obviously a juggernaut but other than that like they could maybe get a three seat if they went and got wow i want them to get anthony davis i know it's risky and i know he'll probably get hurt oh man that would be the guy that i wanted them i would want them to get well then he's not gonna have trouble getting to the hoop because you have to step over anthony's ad's body right he's already another possession 50 plus wins is uh plus 280 if we go the other way now i would not do that because the amount of uh burden that steph has right now to me is oh makes me uh a little nervous all right i think they're right at 45 otherwise um yeah so so uh philly's nine and two and boston's eight and two lakers are nine and two that's the other thing that's the other thing luca was so good on friday night did you see that game yeah he's great so it was one of those things where it's like all right easy schedule let's see what you do now against portland they have kamara they have drew let's let's see it buddy and he just killed them he really he was like he was doing stuff to drew now drew's 36 but he did a couple things to drew in that game it was and i like that he wasn't barking at the refs like he's he's kind of he's no he's too focused on getting fans kicked out for um throwing softballs and stuff like that so i think that's a good thing bounce passes to the room he was awesome i wish he had played against detroit today but they won anyway yeah yeah 40 a game i don't oh it'd be interesting to see how many how many more weeks can he stay up in this neighborhood basically it's bizarre he is uh plus 150 if he and wemby are just neck and neck right there at the top i do want to look i raheem said he was going to make a model for this you know my minus nine and a half how it works in the playoffs like i yeah i bank on the blowouts i bet both teams dogs of eight plus points oh and 36 oh 36 we haven't had an upset there's been a bunch of games so far how many weeks four it's a lot how's that possible i don't know i read it someone wrote it and i wrote it down and i copied and pasted it it's way too early to talk about mvp with that said wemby's plus 150 and luca's plus 155 on fando and then yeah shay's 701 uh he moved down but it's hard to imagine one of those two guys not winning from what we're seeing like like it's going to be the best season of luca's career and the team's winning and then wemby who probably would have won last year if he had played enough games and his defensive impact so it's it's going to be one of those two betting against injury but luca what what seed gets it for him you think three or above 50 he's got to win 50 games and so it doesn't matter if it's a five seed at 50 games maxi if philly was like 64 and 18 or something i think he'd have to be considered then it's 100 to one i still feel like sga has to be uh cannot be dismissed yet well he had that 42 point game what was it tuesday and then like wemby that night just that's when he went nuts yeah i was feeling good about my sga thing he's going to lead this team they're going to still be a top two seed and then when we shut it all down data okay so you did something funny today they tried to for neek clifford they traded two second round picks for him from the kings and if you watch league pass he's neek clifford's one of those guys when you watch him wherever it's like there's something here with this guy well i wonder why the kings don't play him and of course okc's like hey what do you do with neek clifford and the king's like you want him i would never trade with okc like if okc's calling me about one of my players i'm like hey okc just called about this guy right we gotta start playing him 30 minutes a game presti was interested so now he's on okc and you know he's going to be good right away right we have fantasy that's just what they do friends that we wouldn't trade with because of this yeah same way yeah 100 yeah if okc 101 of my guys i'm out it's like if you're in baseball with the brewers if the brewers call they're like hey i'm interested in your third baseman like okay i'm gonna keep them now you don't take the call yeah so um and then the the other incident that's happened the nba is just that lamello has been pretty good the last couple games without a hint yeah and charlotte's fumbles and the charlotte fans are going nuts about that trade now because nazreed whether you agree with the trade or not nazreed does not seem like he wants to be in charlotte right so the only person who seems like they want to be on a team less is Myles Turner on the Bucs. It is rough. He's number one in the rankings, but Nas Reed's probably number two. Yeah, if you would have said, like, all right, Charlotte, they did well last year. They were in the 7-10 and they fought their way. But next year, they're not going to have LaMelo or Khan for the most part. Yeah, Khan got re-injured. Yeah. Not good. Well, so the Lakers have Atlanta tomorrow. And I like the way Atlanta looked last week. That's going to be a really fun game. I like Atlanta there, plus two and a half. I think that's a little bit of a trap. And then Golden State has the Pelicans going for eight in a row. Oh. It's really exciting. Between the Celtics being good and Steph being back, this has been, like, a great start to the season. And even though Luka, I find personally that the barking at the refs annoying, like, that Friday night game was out of control. Yeah. I can't stay in the Lakers. I was really enjoying it. He's good to watch with the sound. Sound down. Yeah. 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