[Music] But this place is different. Especially. The others don't want to talk about it because it scares them. But we all know it. We all feel it. [Music] Do you really think all this is an accident? That we and the group of strangers survive. Many of us would just superficial injuries. You think we crashed on this place? Like coincidence? Especially this place? We were brought here for a purpose. For a reason all of us. Each one of us was brought here for a reason. Brought here. And who brought us here, sir? The island. [Music] Two players. Two sides. One is light. One is dark. I see it another life, brother. We have to go back. [Music] Hello and welcome to the storm. A lost rewatch podcast. My name is Dave Gonzalez. And the first thing I would buy if I won the lottery is a mint inbox playmates Simpson Springfield Main Street playset. My name is Joanna Robinson. And my less like fun childlike answer to this is the first thing that I would buy if I won the lottery is a house by the sea. So if you have millions of dollars and are listening to this and are like, what can I give to Joanna that would make her happy? It would be an entire house by the sea. So thank you. Get right on that mysterious, very rich listener. Feel? And I'm Neil Miller. And if I won the lottery, I would immediately buy a six week spa vacation and disappear. So that's how you'll know if I ever won the lottery is you won't hear from me for like two months. And then I'll come back and all of the sudden have a lot more money. So yeah, it'll be fun. I can't wait for it to happen. You have a lot more money and all of your pours will have been expoated multiple times. I'll be like, you know, tens of pounds less. Just naturally glinting in the sun. I'll be totally detoxed. It's great. Can't wait. I'm rooting for you, Neil. Good news for fans of lost. You now have some numbers to play in the lottery because we're up to season one. Episode 18 numbers. It's a early episode. It is your first time with the show. Welcome. We split the show into two parts. The calm, which we only talk about episodes that we have watched in this rewatch. The first 18 episodes of lost, which it's been really hard to bleep out references to lottery and numbers. And I think we got, we were like 95% good for those of us that have wanted to stay in the calm section of our podcast. After that, we have a section called the storm where we go full spoilers about the entire season of season. The entire series of lost, especially in reference this episode. This particular episode, I'm going to have some nerding out to do about web content that is connected to the series. But that'll all be in the storm second half of the show. You'll see a time code in your show notes when that will begin. Also, you should know you could support us at patreon.com/stormofspoilers. We have three different levels of engagement. The lowest is just one dollar a month. It gets you access to our slack. The best part of the internet where you could chat with fellow fans about literally anything. And then, at our highest $10 level, you could access to all of our bonus content, which is sprinkled amongst the mid $5 level as well. Pick your flavor. patreon.com/stormofspoilers. Let's get on with more loss with Joanna, who has compiled reviews for this show. Do we have any good ones this week? We have no new ones this week. Oh. So, get on that, folks. Get on that, y'all. And remember our rule. I was telling Peter from "Slash Show" on Twitter today that you have to institute the, if you leave five stars, you can say anything you want rule. Because he got a very confusing three star, like very positive three star review on his podcast. So, I was like, you got to do our rule. So, do our rule. Yeah, like five stars, you could say, you think you want, we're going to be very receptive to five star criticisms. Less so for one star criticisms. If you take a shot of us right at the algorithm, that's not a good faith criticism. Or you could just be nice to us. That's okay too. Sometimes it's fun to not read or leave me things about myself. So, oh yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's fine too. Well, how can people get hold of us if they're not leaving iTunes reviews? They can always email us.
[email protected]. They go to our website, stormpodcast.com, just to find out, you know, more info. Then go to Twitter @stormpodcast and tweet at us. That's been really fun. We've been running some fun polls on there. So, it's one to keep up with your storm hosts over on Twitter @stormpodcast. We have a great guest this week on the podcast. Guys, who do we have? We have Hurley on the podcast. We do. We have Hurley Garcia. I don't know why I thought that would be more fun and dramatic if you think. I thought you might want to say you're the one who did it. Hurley Garcia, who plays Hurley, is on his podcast talking about this episode specifically, and then some of his broader thoughts about the show. And then he's got some fun stories for us. Spoilery stories that you can hear if you're a Patreon subscriber at the $10 above level. We'll have a bonus episode with some spoiler thoughts from Hurley Garcia. But that is who we have on the show this week. And so, the last thing that I have to do here in this section is read an email from you guys. Full disclosure. We recorded these episodes a little out of order. So, you will have heard an email on next week's podcast, or you will here. It's a little time you want me this whole thing. You will hear an email on next week's podcast. And this is sort of a response to that. Actually, you know what I think I should put this in the storm section. I'm going to say this. This apologize for that confusing preamble. Instead, I'll read this one from Sherry, who is responding to something we said. On last week's episode, "Lost in Translation." Sherry says, "I think the biggest takeaway I had on this rewatch is the very problematic way men interact with women on this show. There's a lot of ownership attitude from Jack, Jin, and Boone in just the first season. Most of the men in the series make decisions for the women in their lives instead of interacting with them on a partnership basis. And this continues going forward in season two." All right. The paternalism really infuriates me on this go-around. Still a great show though. And the show is great. And that review criticizing Joanna was really mean. The subject of Sherry's email was infantilizing some. So I think that was just reacting to our discussion last week of like why we had this shot paralleling this little girl and the grown actress who plays son. And I think that's, you know, in our interview last week with "Havie Agrisio, Mark Swatch," who's one of the writers on the show in the first two seasons. He sort of agreed. I mean, I didn't even prompt in that. He just sort of brought up. Yeah, he just led with it. Archetypes, the slightly controlling archetypes of the men on the show that don't look as great in 2019. The good news is though, this is a hurly episode. And as far as I can recall, Hurley respects women more than me, me, any other man on the island. So, yay, Hurley time. Hurley's doing great. Hurley's best. Well, Hurley also doesn't, as we see in this episode, have that many daddy issues. I feel like it's a, there's a daddy issues adjacent thing to like the sort of paternal control things that are also explored in this show. Like it's, it's like one sort of leads into the other sometimes. I have storm thoughts about that. We can talk about it later. Excellent. Another asterisk for the storm, which will come after the calm, which will come after these words about feet. Neil, you have a story about yourself and Sesame Street that I would just love for our listeners to hear. Yes, well, I've been hearing about these bombas socks. You've heard of these. We've been talking about them and how they're supposedly the most comfortable socks in the history of feet. All feet. Yeah, so I got a couple pairs. I got one pair. They have actually multiple collections, which I think are fun. One of which is a Sesame Street themed collection. So I now have these blue fuzzy socks with red and pink stripes that are grover socks. And this past weekend, I wasn't feeling super well. So I put on my comfy grover socks and I just sort of chilled out in the house and watched a bunch of comedies on Netflix, mostly Canadian. I will say this. They are super soft. [MUSIC PLAYING]
and my feet do now daydream about them. So I can confirm that the Sesame Street Bomba Sox rule. - All Bomba Sox are made from super soft, natural cotton, and every pair comes with art support, a seamless toe and a cushioned footbed that's comfy, like Neil says, but not too thick, so you could still enjoy the carpeting of your home or the insoles of your shoe. - Can confirm. - Bombas are what feet daydream about, I'm told, which adds a weird question about the sentience of feet that I wasn't ready for, but here we are, Neil. - Well, you know. - Well, can I just say that my favorite part of all of this is that for every Bomba Sox you make Bomba Sox a pair to someone in need. - Oh, so someone in need maybe got some Grover Sox. - Yeah, so, you know, you could buy your bombas at bomba.com/dormtoday and get 20% off your first purchase of this BOMBAS.com/dormtoday. - And we're back, Neil, remind us what happened this week on the island. - Well, Dave, this is episode 18, members, yep, 18, cool. Sorry, the timing and whiny stuff got me off. Anyway, this episode is directed by Daniel Atyes, I think that's how you say it, written by David Fury and Brent Fletcher. It aired on March 2, 2005. It takes place on days 35 and 36 on the island. In flashbacks, we learn that Hurley used the numbers, which are 48, 15, 16, 23, 42. See how fast you can say them. (laughing) He hurley used these to win the lottery, which sets off a string of bad luck events, including the death of his grandfather, the burning down of his mom's new house, a pastor being struck by lightning, a sneaker factory in Canada burning down, and his mom hurting her ankle, not to mention him getting racially profiled by the police being arrested. He also, this is notable, buys a box company in Tustin. Hurley begins to believe that the numbers are what is cursed, which leads him back to Leonard in a psychiatric hospital where he was recently a visitor. Leonard freaks out and tells Hurley to go to Australia and finds Sam Tumey. In Australia, he finds Sam's wife, her terrible accent, and a story about how the numbers might actually be cursed. We'll get back to that accent in a second. - You sure will. (laughing) - On the islands, Hurley sees the numbers on Rousseau's map, steals it from Said and takes off on his own to find her. Said, Jack, and Charlie go after him. They all end up on an Indiana Jones-style mission together to find the French woman. When they find her house, it blows up. Hurley ends up having a bit of a therapy session when he eventually finds Rousseau and they hug it out. It's great. Michael and Jen have begun to rebuild the raft very quickly. It's annoying to Sawyer, but it's happening. And now thanks to Hurley, they have batteries. Claire unknowingly helps John make a crib for the baby. Also, it's Claire's birthday. I guess that's just like a thing that goes by. Hurley and Charlie ended all with a sharing of secrets, sort of, Charlie's not quite sold on Hurley's lottery win. It all ends with a shot of the hatch, which, oh boy, oh shit. The numbers are etched on the hatch, guys. - Oh! - It's crazy. My fun fact this week is that this episode includes multiple Indiana Jones in the Temple of Doom references, both when Sawyer calls Walt Short Round, and then when Charlie and Hurley do the rope bridge adventure stuff, which is very Temple of Doom. This week's opening question. I told you we'd come back to this. - I feel like you'd keep stepping on my original bent kneel. - Sorry. - It's okay. - Sure falls Sam Tumey's wife, Martha, has the worst fake Australian accent on lost to date. - It's not just to date. It's five can promise you listeners for the entire series. The actress who plays Martha Tumey, Jane Tainey, I think is her name. Who is American, obviously. She is the inspiration for the how authentic is this accent game that we've been playing in previous episodes. She is like the A to Z bad accent of the-- - I mean, this is, yeah, it's, and then they give her, not only do they cast this one who's obviously not Australian, they give her this long monologue in the middle of the episode, and it's just so painful to watch. Does anyone want to guess how big a jar it has to be to hold like over four billion beans? - How big does the jar have to be? - I don't know. When she said that thing, it's like-- - He used the numbers. It will, I mean, if it was like some sort of weirdly small bean and the answer was like in the billions, it makes sense that this guy had like an unbeatable bean challenge that was beat by curse numbers, but at least when I was watching it, I'm like usually these beans are like jelly beans or pinto beans in my story time, guys. In my elementary school, we had this thing called How Much Is a Million, where we built a case to fit a million pennies, and then like everybody in the school would bring whatever pennies like their parents or family had accumulated over the week, and then they'd-- - Definitely have extorting working class people out of their pennies. - Well, I mean, they could donate to the school, but the idea was to show, also show to the kids how much like a million actually looks like in volume. And a million pennies is like, it looks like a coffin or a sarcophagus that could fit like two corpses, two human corpses comfortably. A billion beans of any type of bean would be a ridiculous carnival-sized jarge that like this guy must be carting it around Australia, or not Australia, carting it around America is like some sort of side show act that must be as like whole deal makes no sense. - The bean man? - Bean, the bean man. The implied bean man of the lost mythology. - Can I talk about a little extra lost mythology in the sub-zone? - What? - I didn't know this until lost, Pedia told me this is something that I've never noticed, but the woman who's pulling the numbers is the woman that like, so I was trying to hook up with in the episode at loss, so. - Oh. - I don't know what swear I thought he was doing with the woman who holds a lot of numbers, yeah. (laughing) - Here in the back nine of lost first season, they're really pulling all the little tiny connections. - Oh, the connections. - Yeah, now we know why Hurley was on, did you-- - And he's in. - Did you wind up leaping that day for min translation? - I did. - Okay, great. Now we know why Hurley was on the TV in Korea, 'cause he won the lottery, yes. - Did you also see the fun facts about how the voice, like the male anchor who kicks it to the lotto girl is Carlton Cusis voice? - No, that's great. - Yeah. - But here's my-- - All kinds of little fun stuff in this episode. - Yeah, here's my favorite detail from this episode. Okay, so lost Pedia, which if you're watching the first time I recommend you not go on because there's like a lot of forward-looking stuff on there, but this show has been poured over in such granular detail by the fans that the fact that this entry exists on lost Pedia drives me crazy. Well, Hurley is walking on the beach and later when he is driving his Hummer H2, hip-hop song is heard playing. The artist and the title have yet to be identified despite the best efforts of many fans, leading many to believe it was created especially for the show. But like, how is that not known yet? If you know the answer to this musical question, listeners, please email us. - I think it's not to yes and you, but if you scroll down, I believe tv.com got it confirmed that it was a rap song created specifically for the show and is not otherwise available. - Well, it's a great hook. Well, it's funny 'cause like every time I keep getting fooled every time I watch because he's walking down the beach and this song is playing and he doesn't have his headphones in because as we know, his CD player died. And I'm like, wait, I thought I read trivia about there being no non-diogenic music other than these couple instances and then it cuts to him driving the Hummer and I'm like, oh, it's a fadeover, ice. - I also really like it because until reading those bits of trivia on Laspedia, I was like, of course that's a rap song that exists 'cause whatever the lyrics are, just stereotypical thing that you would blast out of a yellow H2 Hummer, I think. It feels very authentic. So it's even funnier to me that it probably started. I don't know, I'd be interesting to know how it wasn't the script. Does it have the lyrics of the rap song because his mom does kind of respond to it? Or is it just like insert stereotypical rap song about being rich and being the boss? - I don't know, but I really hope there is a rap song which is about being the boss of a box company that would be pretty great. I think we can say the info about that box company that we already know someone on the show who works for a box company which is Locke. - In Tustin. - Yeah, so you can drive. - That's not a secret. - You can drive your conclusions about whether or not that's the same box company. But. - I mean, how many box companies are there in Tustin, California? - I mean, it's a good, I don't know, that might be the box making capital of the nation, you don't know. - That very well could be, yeah. (laughing)
So I think in addition to her Lee's flashback of "Misforged in the Lottery," one of the big things this episode does is bring Russo back into the series. This is more of a supporting character because now her Lee's founder, which means she is capable to find her. When I think that's sort of the big question of this episode, especially after she blows up her old place and conveniently cinches, Said's photo of Nadia just around the edges. But now instead of like this hovering phantom presence that sort of tortured Said, we get Russo not only possibly accessible to our losties in the future, but very nice to her Lee once they have a connecting monologue scene where Jorge Garcia gives it all. And Russo does some of her trademark, I don't know. Glaring? She's a real good glarer. It's like a glare that then transitions into like a daydream and then it's like she's looking at a puppy and like all these things just happen with how she's holding the gun and how her eyes are watering. She's got the whole spectrum of human emotions going on. It's some great lust, but we get a little bit more about her backstory that her research team came to the island following a broadcast of those numbers that then she later found in a radio tower where it was broadcasting from and it had been broadcasting on a loop and she changed that loop to the distress signal that we heard the broadcast tower was apparently near the black rock and I think that's our oh and she gives it up that way. Whatever that is. Quick question. Do we know how long, Russo, did she say how long she's been on the island? 16 years, right? Something like that. I think I thought Said deduced it from like the. Yeah, okay. I was just. From the number of transmissions there have been. Because in this episode, not Leonard, what's his to me, his mother, his wife. The lady with the bad accent says that they heard the signal like 16 years ago. So it's like Russo was out there researching the thing and probably shut it off right after Leonard or right after God, what's his name again? Sam to me? Sam to me. Right after Sam to me. I heard it essentially. Yeah, so that broadcast somehow. 16 years is that. So yeah, so it's right about that same time. It's just interesting. Well, a little bit for it because oh no, no, never mind. Yep, you're right. Because that's why Hurley was in Australia. Okay. Because you know how sometimes you're watching a flashback and you're like, I'm not sure when, like, we don't know necessarily when Hurley won the lot out. You know, we don't know how long he was rich and blah blah. But we do know that the things that take place in Australia are usually right before the flight, right? Yeah. Well, yeah, but we do know he says like, what does he say to Charlie at the end, like about a year ago? I won the lottery. Um, thank you for calling that out so that someone doesn't get mad at me. I should say we got some like weird feedback on the fact that we got the date of the crash wrong. And I just want to say that like, oh, sorry. Well, no, it's okay. It's fine that you got that wrong. And there are plenty of people who wrote into correct us just sort of like, hey, got it wrong. You know, that's fine. There are some like gatekeeping people on the internet that are like, they're not real lost fans because they don't know when the crash date was. And I just want to say that like, a we are all lost fans, but B, we're not like lost, uh, encyclopedic lost experts, like maybe Davis, but like, uh, I feel like me and I are not claiming to be experts. We're just sort of like all watching this together. So if we will get some things wrong, we will miss some things. Uh, we're, we're having fun. We're finding connections. We're looking back many years later, but we're not like, we don't know every single thing that anyone has ever said about lost. So or at least I don't. So just don't, don't worry about holding me to that standard because I'm not holding myself to that standard. Um, I mean, all I have to say is how do you know I'm not getting the dates wrong on purpose? Well, yeah, or Neil's just being like really adherent to the column and they haven't firmly established, uh, when the crash was on the first season yet. We just all say true. I mean, we, we just know. We know now because you know, fun facts of omnipotence to a story that's over. Because Damon Lindelof at a certain point decided that he needed to explain everything. Let's talk about the C plot. Let's see plot of this episode is lock and clear build a crib. No, I'm not going to go too far into this because we're going to discuss more of this in the storm, but like this is probably the most like, you know, maybe the worst thing that we've seen locked you in this island so far is goop boon, right and tie him up and leave him jungle. This to me seems like the kindliest thing that lock has done, which he's just like hung out with Claire on her birthday gave her something to do so she felt useful. Uh, talked to her, gave her like a little bit of therapy about like her, her missing memory. And then in the end, there was a crib. It was just such a lovely lock thing to do, I think. Lock is on an upward slope of the past few episodes where he's been showing up with the answers for everyone. And he's really, he's really feeling shamanistic at the stage and Tario Quinn's pulling it off. Once again with the balance that I pointed out where like the first two times you cut to that, you really do think he's making a trap and then it's all spiky. Then you cut back and they've like somehow, you know, they're trying to hide that it's an upside down crib, but it is like an upside down crib. And you're like Claire, maybe Claire is the dumb one. It's a little dumb. She's like, what is it? Everyone in the audience is like, it's a crib Claire. It's a crib. Hey, she's a little wrapped up in the face. You can't remember anything. But I think it was, yeah, I think it was for last week's interview where Javier mentioned that the physicality of Tario Quinn really helped them develop lock because he was able to go a little bit further than they were used to with the other characters he played up at that point. And I think this is a great example because he's like, do and work and it's like work to make a gentle little crib thing, but he has to hide that under possibly he's being just bored or menacing. The many layers of lock, which got to keep us, got to keep us guessing. But at this point, he seems to be helping people out with their consent and hasn't grouped anybody for a couple of days. He might have, he might have grouped the crib. We'll find out. Oh, I don't group a baby. I do like that he's like, I made my own glue, Claire. The rendered some animal flat. I'm amazing at group. I'm the group master. It's fine. Don't worry about it. Okay. So, Hurley is the last of the 14 main characters to get a flashback episode about it to him. That's just a fun fact of lost. And I think some people who love Hurley are frustrated that we get two plus jack flashbacks before we get a single, early flashback. But another thing that's true is that they didn't have Hurley's backstory cracked until I think that hiatus that they took a few episodes ago because in the original concept, Hurley was like a repo man and his charm was sort of like his superpower. He could charm anyone. He would come and take your stuff, but you would be happy about it because he's so charming. That was the concept for Hurley. Then it was over lunch, I think it was, that they in a diner where they were like, what if he won the lotto and there are these numbers and they have this weird significance that we could talk about in the storm. What if that? And so that's how we got Hurley's story. And they start to see some references into his wealth a few episodes before this, but it's not like they're from the beginning because they hadn't figured it out yet. So. I think this episode ends around special, like like special to me, where I've seen some amazing stuff, but I could assume coincidence or an actual curse. I think with a lot of these things, the narrative wants me to believe in curse because I'm on Hurley's side and up to his monologue. He needs someone to believe him. The audience is there. Danielle believes in him. That's enough for Hurley to hold on for a little bit longer and think that maybe it's just a curse, but he doesn't have to worry about it for some reason on the island. And then it shows up on the hatch as like the cliffhanger where it's like just when you thought it could have been coincidence or in Hurley's head and about Hurley feeling better. No, there might actually be a curse. You might actually be on a jungle island of mystery, which you know, we are, but sometimes I think especially with episodes like this, there's a lot of danger with implied magic, but we're not quite to full magic here that I can tell. numbers I guess how many combinations of those numbers can be? Maybe that's our
Are we though? - Mathematicians are probably laughing at me. There would be any other random combination of that many numbers. I don't know, are we Neil? (laughing) - I mean, that's what's interesting to me is that it is easy to write off a lot of the bad things that happened to her early as coincidence until that final shot. That final shot to me was when, like, I don't know. We've seen plenty of different island magic things, but now it feels like it's ramping up significantly. And it's ramping up in a way that like, they come out with it all in the same episode. We go from just early winning the lottery with these numbers to, you know, yarn walls worth of conspiracy stuff in one episode, just with the numbers, which I think feels, again, and this feels like something we're gonna talk about a lot as we get through the back half of season one. It just feels like super confident, you know, from Brighters Room's perspective, it's like, that's a really big shot to call, which is we have this set of numbers, this large set of numbers that have deep significance at least to one character. And we're also gonna put them on the most mysterious thing in our show, which we haven't even dealt with yet, which is the hatch. - Hatch, hatch, hatch. - Yeah, I think if they had ended it without showing the numbers in the hatch, you could, it would be sort of a more ethereal thing, but it becomes very real when the numbers are in plain sight on the island. - Yeah, I mean, but isn't it, doesn't it exist as like a clean storytelling loop for you that is the silent with this mysterious broadcasts and his friend heard the broadcast and used the broadcasts on an impossible amount of beans and drove his other friend to a mental institution where he was stuck on the beans thing. - I mean, well, there's a lot of probabilities, but of all of them, the amount of beans is the biggest to me. But like that seems like a, like isn't that a weird real life story? Like that's a weird this American life story right there, that story of how the numbers got hurly back to the island. - Yeah, I think they're still in, there's so unpleasant deniability space with the network. They still, this is something that Harvey talked about in the interview that they still had to have put, you know, as you mentioned somewhere, Neil somewhere in these episodes that we've recorded these past few weeks, that one idea at a point was that the polar bear was gonna be like on the plane. You know what I mean? They needed, like the network really wanted them to have, like concrete, explainable situations for all of the phenomena. I mean, you sure there's like a weird noise in the jungle, but that could be anything that you could explain. So I think you're right. I think Dave's right, that like the numbers are still, if there was a broadcast from the island, with those numbers, the numbers are on the hatch, that's island stuff. So it affects your soul and it affects the tumies and then it gets to London and then it gets to Hurley. Are the numbers cursed? - Maybe, maybe. - I think it's as weird as Walt might have killed a bird with his mind. (laughing) - For that time, Walt might have killed a bird. Okay, wait, if you think-- - With his magnetic mind. - It's like that. - You're not forgiven. Number one, something that I think it's okay to say that, like this is not the last 18 or so, right? Now that she's come back for a second episode, it's like, all right, here's a figure on the island. - I was trying to suddenly hint at that before without saying that, but yes. - I know, I think it's okay to say that. I don't think that's a crazy spoiler. We're so, so people have asked us in the past for me to repeat things that Diana or producer said, as she's watching Lost for the first time. Diana started calling we're so party coyote, which is what I called. (laughing) Billy Lord's character in Booksmart, which is she just like crops up and you're like, oh, it's her so. And the thing about we're so, the reason why she's, she was able to survive on the island for 16 years. Is she does shit like, Sayid came to her layer once and then she's like, well, gotta break this, it's explosive. - Well, this house. - Gotta move on, like that's how her soul survived. She's like, oh, I don't fuck with any of this shit. I will blow whatever I need to blow up. It's fine, this is fine. - Pack up the batteries in music box. - Yeah. (laughing) - Blow the rest of the way. - Electrified bedspicks. And then the other thing that I wanna call out in this episode is what a, like, we talk a lot about the iconic friendship of Charlie and Hurley, but Charlie's a real fucking jerk to Hurley in this episode. There's a lot of fat jokes and there's a lot of, like, and then he just doesn't believe him when he tells him his lottery story in the end, which is like kind of funny, but also just like, of all the things you've seen on the island, like the fact that Hurley might have won the lottery is like too unbelievable for you or what have you. So like, I don't know, I'm team very non-adjacent. But there's just like a lot of like, both direct and casual fat jokes from Charlie in this episode that I don't like. - I agree with you from a character standpoint, but I also see how they fell into that right because like that's the angry, smaller guy is the half of the comedy duo to the calm, and witted, bigger guy. - I do like that Hurley's not like taking it. He's like, "Hey, like fucking dude." Like, I can hear you. - I love one of my favorite moments in this episode is when Hurley, like when Jack is like, "Wait, we'll come around, we'll find our way across." And Hurley is like, "No, screw that, we're going ahead." And Charlie's tries to like dress him down for not listening to Jack. It almost feels like a meta commentary of sorts. It's like, "Why are we listening to this guy?" Like Hurley's the first person to be like, "I don't know to listen to Jack." - I don't know, yeah. - Well, my own mission here. - He's got that key around his neck, doesn't make him bleed or anybody. - Right, and I think it all becomes more powerful because Hurley, up to this point, has been mostly just delightful as a human. And like, obviously the comic relief, and he's been the person trying to help stay organized and de-stress everyone with the golf course. And this is the first time we're seeing him be forced into some sort of action or really on a mission. And I really like that about Hurley. I think he's great. - Yeah. - He makes a good person to have on your team of survivors, even though everybody kind of like underestimates him at the beginning. - But I agree with Joanna. Charlie's total dick in this episode. It's not cool. - Well, we've learned not to expect much from Charlie here in the column of the Storm Elastric Wash Podcast. 'Cause he's got some drug angles and problems. So Shannon is worried about Said going back out into the jungle, how we feeling about Shannon for our weekly Shannon check-in. - Fine. - We got actual relationship ruin. - Okay. - Yeah, Shannon's living her new life on the islands. - Good, good. Just wanna check in with it. Obviously not an exciting problem. - It's Shannon's status. - Better exciting prompt. Was there a giant bite taken out of that bore bait that Hurley walked under? - Oh, and if there was, I didn't know I'm safe. - It looks like half of it is kind of like exposed and I haven't baited a lot of traps in my life. So I don't know if that was a bite or something you do to like expose the smell to predators. I guess unimportant. All right, before we move into our interview, which will also contain our most 2004 thing I'm told. Is there anything else we need to bring up this week for numbers? - I don't think so. Yeah, I do wanna say in our interview, I got Jorge to name the most 2004 thing about this episode. So we will take that as the gospel of the most 2004 thing about this episode. There's also some fun stuff in there about like stunts that he had to do also, hair tips for, curly hair tips for humidity. All kinds of fun stuff in this interview with the great Jorge Garcia. - Ah, curly hair tips with humidity. (phone ringing) - So this is the episode where you get to find out Herley's backstory, which deviates significantly, I think from what they originally had in mind for your character. So I was wondering if you could sort of tell us what, how you reacted to finding out what Herley's true story was. - Well, I got a preview. I was an email that Damon had sent, they kind of gave me the gist of that Herley's backstory basically being multi-millionaire. But by then, I was kind of like, yeah, that's cool, but what's the Twilight Zone part of my episode? And like, what's the, what's the, what's the little kernel that makes people go, "Oh wow!" Kind of thing like, like, finding out that long oxen wheelchair, what's my bit. And yeah, I didn't get that till I finally got the script and saw the last line where I said the numbers were on the hatch. - Yeah, that's a huge moment. And then what was your reaction to that about the finding out about the numbers? - I liked it. I thought that was cool. The numbers on the hatch definitely cemented Herley's place in the Isle of Mythology.
And I thought that that was kind of a great, you know, it gave a little sense of job security on top of it. You know, like, well, okay, get rid of me now. Um, and then do you know for a little while? Do you remember what the fan reaction was to finding out her least big secret about the, the lotto? It's probably what started people asking if I ever played the numbers in the lot already in real life. When did you first realize that last was quite the phenomenon that it was like when were you first aware? Well, I mean, there's different stages of that. We had like the first summer that we came to do the show. Uh, we were just kind of, uh, you know, not unlike the show, we were just kind of, we found ourselves. We were living together on an island and we were the only people we knew there. And so that's kind of where it started as far as like our cast relationship and it kind of is this thing that we're like, we knew we were going on something. We knew it seemed different from anything else. I mean, after we did like house the rising sun, it was like, oh, I don't really shows that are being made right now that are. Half subtitled. We had our fingers crossed that we were hoping we'd get ratings that were close to alias ratings, because that was the other JJ show. That was on TV when I guess, probably. And then when we premiered, we premiered really high and we premiered beyond alias numbers. And then we were like, can I remember going to work and me like, I'm like, well, I hope you like Hawaii, because we might be here for a bit. I think the first award show was the first golden globes and they're seeing the crowds and the reaction from the people in like the peanut gallery that were, you know, on the side of the red carpet and stuff. I was going, oh, this is this might be a bigger deal than I think about because you get used to one of the great things about shooting out Hawaii. And so far, why was like this, this sense that it was almost like, it's just something that me and my friends do in the jungle. Right. And then it is until you find yourself going to other places and doing public or like when I would, I would, I would always like be available to do international press because they always flee you to some places you know, I'd never been before and it was kind of a nice, you know, you do some interviews, but you can also turn a little vacation out of it. Right. We'd get flown to London. And it's like, I'd been to London the year before before loss had started airing because the UK kind of started a year late. And the first airings of lost. I mean, by the end of the season, everything started kind of airing simultaneously around the world. That was what they started moving towards. But I remember walking it was one thing just going around and it was funny because it aired in other European countries. So sometimes there's one, there was like some group of like Swedish teenage school trip girls that went a little crazy in the street at one point. And the other people who were locals are being like, I don't know who this person is. I think it's just to do about them. So going back to Harley's backstory, like, did you get to have any input at all in your backstory and things specifically of like the family and dynamic that's on display in this episode, like with the woman who plays your mother. I'm not really an actor that comes, goes to writers to throw a pitch jet idea as I kind of, I kind of like everyone having their own specialization, you know. And so you give me the song to sing and I'll play a little piano and sing a little song, boy. And then that's the feedback that I think we give to each other. And so it's like, I think when they find they write to certain things and if you perform it well, the right to those strengths, I think. Yeah, one thing that I know that people really love with Harley in season one is all this business with the CD player, which is fun for people watching for the first time. They're like, oh yeah, just man, I remember. Did you have a certain music that like were you actually listening to music when you were when you had those headphones in? And if so, do you remember what you were jamming out to or was it just like nothing? Wait, I don't think it was anything. I think it was, I think part of the fear was you didn't want something that you would tap, you know, like nod your head to or to a rhythm that didn't exist when the finally music got chosen. Right. So you kind of had to be ambiguous. This was the, I mean, at least the first show that I knew of where there was a lot, you know, where we started like after an episode, we started like going and see what the fans were buzzing about and what they were picking up on and what they were looking for finding. Like if they were finding things that were like, oh, I didn't even know that was there or if it even was there, I don't even, I don't know. And there was like when Ethan was introduced and there was, there's the episode of "Purly Falling asleep by the Fire" and Ethan and Lock Show up. Yeah. Ethan was new, but Terry and I hadn't worked in a while. So we were like really like chomping at the bit to get to act. And we started like doing extra little bits and stuff and some takes and got a little bit in Williams way at one point, but they were giving them different takes and different ways to do it to say certain things. We're like, all right, now do it, you know, I do it more menacing. I do it uplifting. Now I do it like a robot, you know, it was kind of, it was kind of funny and kind of weird and you're like, oh, I don't know. We know where this is going yet. So. Do you remember when you filmed this episode numbers, do you remember if they told you why Hurley was once institutionalized? They didn't tell me. Is that hard to play like knowing that there is this sort of key element of your character, which is like a time in an institution, but not being able to know exactly what that was? No, I like venturing into the unknown as an actor a lot. I like the gray areas and I like when you, when I have at least been doing lost and this was definitely the deepest I ever went up to that point in my career in creating a persona. And so, you know, definitely would feel a lot of blanks in with just my own personality and let the rest kind of fall in the place. And as I got a new information, if new information would show up, that seemed contrary to the way I behaved in the past. I thought that's fine because I think it's, it's very human to be contradictory. Yeah. Because not everyone behaves the way you'd imagine they would in a given situation. So, you know, I didn't worry too much about that. Right. I mean, I think it's kind of there's a great example of that. Matt Fox had given a one point in the pilot when he pulls the, he has the bottles of alcohol, the little bottles of alcohol. And he says, you know, I just need to know like how important it is. I don't need necessarily need to know why it's important yet. But just like kind of, so I have the right, you want the right level to tell whatever story they have coming up. And, you know, audiences have, have ways of filling in blanks as well. If the, you know, this is a rewatch podcast. So as people, you know, later episodes show up, they'll be like, oh, that explains why this happened back then. Or why that, why that person stared off the way they did. At the end of certain episode or things like that. And that, that stuff, you know, that, that just comes later. So, knowing that he's kind of defensive about it, I figured that part out from the script. Because he just, what I wanted to call him crazy. Yeah. And that it put his family through a lot. And so we're just kind of, and I was like, that's fine. That that's enough to know because he's not in there now. And we just know he has a history there. There is this, there's this stunt in this episode that terrifies me because I have a huge fear of heights, which is the bridge stunt. What was it like filming that, you know, was there a lot of greenscreen involved or were you actually on a bridge? Or how did you do all of that? There was a bridge. It wasn't as high. I mean, it was, it was up there, but it wasn't like, what was greenscreen was that shot through the bridge. And you see what's like rocks and it's almost like a creek or something underneath or whatever that is. That wasn't there. That it was basically a bridge over a dirt road area. Because there was a, there was just essentially like a giant forklift thing that could lift up. Like if it needed to, if we needed to be saved off the bridge, the forklift would lift up and we'd climb onto whatever the platform that was on the forklift and then get lowered down again. It was, it was suspension bridge. We did have a head like a thing strapped around me and I would run my hand along it. Like it was like this thing that was attached to the stronger core. Like the bridge was like vines that were wrapped around a stronger bridge. The hardest thing about the bridge was there was no.
right hand side to the bridge. - Right, yeah. - So crossing that bridge, the boards on the bottom tended to bend outward towards the opening, 'cause there's nothing holding that side, nothing suspending that side. - Yeah. - And so that was a bit of a challenge, or just something to get past. And I noticed after I got off the bridge, after I made the cross, and when I got off the bridge, my feet hurt so bad. And it was because my feet were somehow trying to grip onto the bridge through my shoes. And there wasn't so I crossed the bridge, is that they kind of relaxed, and I realized how tight and sore they'd gotten just trying to just trying to hold onto the bridge through my shoes somehow, subconscious. That's some sort of like we were descended from apes behavior right there. And then you've got this great scene with Mira, who plays Danielle, and it's so intense on both sides. I was wondering if you can, I know it's like so long ago, but if you can recall any sort of prep that you guys did for that scene together, or if you just came at it. - I don't know, I think we might have gone over the lines in the chairs beforehand. That was, I think that was, I did the run and fall, and I kind of like my feet fly up almost like scorpion back. And that was my first thought, or I don't think if I did, oh I did, why did I do run and jump in the sand in the pilot, but that was kind of my first real stunt during the series, shooting the episodes of it. And I actually, I think the stunt coordinator ended up giving me like the stunt union t-shirt for doing my stunt. That's what I learned. I also learned that when I do, 'cause that was the first of a long future of trip falls on the show. And I learned that when I fall, I slide, I move way more forward than a usual trip fall for I think most people. So like I always, like when they come and set the pad up, I'm always pushing the pad further away from me, 'cause I know I'm gonna clear a little bit of space before I actually hit the ground. - And it's something that I love about Hurley and General, and specifically in this episode is there's like, there's a pushback on some of the like, I don't know, fat jokes or fat comments, that Hurley's just like, no fuck you, I don't get to like, just drop that on me. - The Hurley Charlie Wagon ship was definitely one of the deepest as far as in the whole run of the show as far as like one of the strongest relationships in the show. We got a lot of good stuff together. That wasn't as, the stuff, the Hurley, I really stuff was always like stuff like when, he finds a random thing with crackers in it, and eats them even though we don't know how old they are, and all that kind of business was always kind of a bit of like, bye. - Was there any performer who you immediately, I don't know, maybe it is Dom, who you immediately were like, this person's so easy to do a scene with. This is the person that I love doing a scene with. - Oh, that's interesting. Well, there's, it's hard to pick favorites in that sense. There's an interesting, part of this is dynamics are different in the way they sort of riding relationships. Like Hurley Jack seems, have a fun charm to them where, I don't know, there's like this quality that Hurley seems to entertain Jack on some level, and that was always kind of fun to do. It actually got very bad with me and Matthew, because if you would just make each other laugh a lot, on set, in fact, there's a scene that's way in the future. Well, okay, there's a scene between me and Jack, I'll specify on this voice section which scene it is, but basically what happens is, we find ourselves, there's other scenes going on, which is one of those situations where, you know, we have people who are in our background are now doing their scene and stuff, and so we have to be in their background just staring at each other and we cannot do that. So we ended up stepping, like stepping to the side, you know, like me to the right, into the left, but in profile, we look like we're still in fun of each other so that we could look beyond each other at something and not crack up. Seems with Terry we're amazing too, because he was just a great actor and he was like, he was someone I remember entering the pilot, just writing the van back to the hotel or writing the van up to the North Shore from the hotel and I'd seen him, I remember him from the rocket here and I was like, oh wow, this is cool. So just kind of chatting with him and he was super nice. One more thing about this episode specifically, this was the one where I had to explain to my manager and friends to set your DVR so they record an extra five minutes because if your DVR cuts off early, you will miss stingers at the end of an episode 'cause he missed the part that they then pen down to the hatch having the number on. And so this was kind of like going, oh no, you have to say, so your DVR cuts off like five minutes later or record the next show after whatever was following us at the time to, you know, or as you might miss a key part which is the part that people are gonna be talking about this week. - I love that idea that like whatever followed you maybe got like a Tivo boost because it was like, I shouldn't miss the end of it. - Yeah, we also had like later on we started having like extra long episodes where it was like almost like little yeah ratings trick to be like, oh, if we bleed into the next hour, we'll get a little extra neil some bump for the next for the following show. - And then I guess my last question for you and thank you again for your time is, I don't know, this is an odd one but like, why do you think people love Hurley so much, why is Hurley, we did a poll with our listeners, bunch of our listeners and they've sort of ranked all the characters and Hurley is just like right up there on the top for almost everyone and so I'm just curious, you know, what you think and especially since you filled in so many gaps with your own personality, is it weird to be like, okay, there's a character is pretty close to who I am. They're like, everyone watches the show loves. Like is that, what is that? - I don't know, it's interesting 'cause I was like watching I decided 'cause I wouldn't sure if I should watch it to have it fresh in my mind and so I popped it in this morning I actually and I watched numbers and it's interesting 'cause there's so much distance now between me and Hurley and he's, he seems either that arrived changed but he seems also just kind of like mentally distant from where I am today and some levels are even maybe as an actor. If there's, I mean, it is kind of interesting to kind of watch it now and I was like, I was like, oh, his voice sounds kind of different I feel even and I was just, this is just, I'll put my head in this thing right now. I think the most information I got was in the pilot. Like a lot of it was based on what I got out of the script in the pilot and my start at Hurley was essentially that he's, he's basically me only, I'm a better speller because I said like, B-O-D-Y-S in the pilot. And so then the, so kind of like starting that was kind of one of the bits that informed me as to Hurley's personality and style. So there's, he has a great simplicity to him and the way he sees the world and the way he's kind of, and so that, you know, it's, you know, I don't, I wouldn't call him dumb, but he's a little more simple. And that was, you know, as far as my playing of him, that kind of like, kind of like finding that part and seeing how the lines worked around with that mindset. The other was he was the early
he was tasked with being the voice of the audience. And so he's the one who asks if the thing in the woods, the dinosaur, which is what everyone's first prediction was because it felt very Jurassic Park, but he, you know, when the trees are moving. And so he got to be the one who's, is it a dinosaur? Do you think it's a dinosaur? And he's like, no, dinosaurs extinct. And I was like, okay. And so, and so in that sense, he, he got to address things. Same thing he addresses, things like he talks about have, you know, like what's going on with you and Kate? And, you know, he gets to be the person who says those things out loud. Right. And so that made them kind of a connection, I think, to the people watching the TV as well. This is maybe a deeply silly question, but I promised my roommate who has beautiful curly hair, similar to yours that I would ask, which is like what tips do you have for curly hair in island humidity? Oh, man, my hair is terrible in this episode. It is frizzy. It's and it swings out like a bell. It's like a gum drop. It wasn't, it was later, they came up with ways to make my hair lay flatter. And there's this whole cocktail of stuff that they put in my hair for it. Tips, I don't know, like the heaviest hair dressing is possible. Is the best. I just, yeah, I just kind of, I try whatever they have. And then, you know, there's like, on this, I remember they did a lot of like the top, they put it, they would mix argon oil with the like heavy like texture cream or something like that for it. But, um, ah, there's nothing you can do. It's just the hairs that's going to do what it does. I was like, there's times when I, I'd have stuff where they do my hair. And I'm like, all right, go ahead. But, um, you know, my hair tends to spring, you know, into curls again, no matter what you try to do. And wife, I've, oh, they got some really strong stuff and that they were able to pretty much mat down my hair pretty good with that stuff. Well, I mean, you, you've lived in Hawaii for quite a long time, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't know if like you had your own like you learned from the, from the hair ladies how to like live that island life. No, and well, and then Hawaii, I just let it do what it does. Yeah. Headbands, headbands to keep it out of the face. Something we've been doing for our episodes is picking out like the most 2004 thing about an episode because there's just some fun like relics of references and stuff like that. Um, if you had to pick like a most 2004 thing about the first season of last, do you have something that comes to mind? 2004 thing. Um, I don't know. I definitely feel Hurley's Hummer is definitely a, it's, it's kind of a museum piece that thought like that those were driven. Right. The age to the, the, the, the, the, I don't know, the, the luxury Hummer. It's like they, it wasn't like, like the, the first Hummer was definitely a military vehicle. And these were just giant boxy cars. I mean, it is interesting and you're at expect that that those cars, like, like how the move now has gone to smaller cars and more fuel efficiency and now this giant, giant car. Right. The age to, I think about the age to is great for parents because the back seats are separated quite a bit. So the kids won't be able to reach each other. That's a good tip. Yeah, I remember that, um, I don't choice the nigger when he was governor, drove an H2. Oh yeah. And took a helicopter from LA to, or, or something like frequent trips from LA to Sacramento. We're like, all right. That's great for the environment. Thank you so much, Governor Schoeniger. Um, all right. Well, is there anything else you want to like mention about loss that people, that people should hear your thoughts and I'm impressed. I'm impressed to meet people who are new that, you know, that, that there's, there's people who can still get spoiled on it. I know it's, uh, we have a ton of people who are watching for the first time. It's kind of amazing. That's amazing. And they're having issues watching it week to week because we're all like used to the binge watch now and so they're like, uh, I have to wait a whole week and I'm like, it's all right, come down. Um, and, and it's, and that's fun too because they'll, uh, you know, they get so stressed about certain things. That's funny how the show, the show kept going and got harder and harder to binge. Um, you know, this is, we're still talking pre-net, like streaming and stuff. So it was like, you had a binge on DVDs. Yeah. And, and how, how much or, or I guess iTunes and it just, uh, got later and later and later, and like the people would be like, oh yeah, and then you're hearing people saying that they, they, they binge it. I binge it like, I've been to it all in a weekend. And it's like, I've been to it all in a week, you know, or like, or someone says like, I binge it in like three days. I was like, you were up very late if you were doing it in three days. And it was like, this kind of thing. We got to a point where we, you say, well, I think we, we've reached peak audience at this point. Um, people are so into it. It's really great. And like people, it's not just like the people watching for the first time. It's like the people who are rewatching either for the first time or like have rewatched a million times, you know, and they're all just like really excited to be able to talk about it with each other. It's been really sweet. Yeah, it's like whenever I post a link Instagram that's lost related. Yeah, the likes blow out of the water. Everything. Yeah. That's the anything else that I post. Like when you do those end of the year and you, they'll make a cool large of like all your, your most like post the year is be like, it'll be 100% lost post. And I was like, yeah, all right. Well, I guess I'll make up my own list. Do you ever, do you like off the record? Do you have any thoughts about the, the rumors that they're going to do sort of a, a revival or a reboot? Do you have any thoughts on feeling? I mean, I haven't, I haven't been approached. I know, all I know is that one story that got picked up in a lot of places was when the new VP of programming at ABC was asked what, oh, it's because you heard this, right? It came out of like a TCA. Yeah. And it was like, so they ran that kind of the clip that's like, ABC, we've brought you all these great things. And and then there was definitely lost clips in there and I think I just clips in there and when they asked that person what reboots they, she should have asked should we read into that trailer and she's like, sure. And then she says that she had said that, yeah, if anyone asked me what reboots I do, I first, you know, basically I say lost and I say, and it's kind of every time. And that's, that's kind of been the end of the story as far as anything that I have information. I mean, I think, what do people feel about it? Is that something that people can be excited about or tell people feel like, oh, you're going to mess with my childhood? Oh, I don't know. You're going to ruin my memories. Those posters. You know, that kind of crap. Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, I think people are like cautiously excited. You know, I mean, like, I feel like, and I feel the same way. Like, if they're going to do it, sometimes when they do these reboots, revival is a great idea and it works really well, you know, and then sometimes you're like, oh, you didn't have an idea. You just like wanted that brand name to, you know, boost your launch of something. Do you know what I mean? So, we have a great idea. I'm super into it myself. But, you know, if they, if they're just doing it so that they can say lost, you know, like, like, like, like, heroes revival or, you know, stuff like that, where I'm just sort of like, did you have an idea or did you just want to? So I was doing an episode of Talking Dead with Scott Kimple. And he was a big fan of lost and so then we were sitting and he had talked about a last reboot. And so he started like kind of like spitballing, like, all right, let's see. So what would it be? Let's come up with a story of being, and he kind of had like his little ideas of like a reboot would be fun. I'd be interested in in seeing it, seeing what they did. I like, it's kind of like this whole thing, how like, there's people writing stories that had happened in the world of Star Wars that aren't, you know, you know, the first three movies. And I was like, oh, the cool, the cool, this kind of like to kind of see people play in the world of it. There's just, there's tons of stuff from before that was just barely, you know, scratch the surface as far as like, uh, before our playing crash. What happened on that island, which could all be, um, worthy stories or, or even if it was just a full reboot in Kyla, like, see someone else play our archetypes. Yeah.
kind of thing, you know, I'd be interesting. Or what they'll do. I'd be like, oh, this time, this person is a woman. You know, or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. kind of like, there's our look what we did. Kind of, you know, just so, yeah, I'm cool with it. I don't, I don't, I don't feel I have like, uh, it ownership of it, that requires, that it requires protecting it, I mean, kind of. Yeah. I think let's see, let's see what people come up with. Let's see. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't hurt, you know, if something is a subpar reboot or revival or something, it doesn't like erase the thing that came before who cares. It's just sort of like, okay, that happened and either we'll remember it or we won't, but we're still always remember the original. Right. But does it because there are the people who you meet, who when you mention something and they only know the new version of it and you go, oh, you don't know that this was a show that existed before or you don't know that this was a movie from the 60s, you know, and I go, so in some, like, in some minds, it does erase the thing that happened before. Yeah, I guess, I guess that's true. If kids only know like the new beating the beast, I would be sad or something like that. So the live action between the me and you. Yeah. Gotta watch the cartoon, right? Or, uh, I love the 60s parent trap and people only know the ones who know I'm trying to see that stuff. See that sense they do get erased. Yeah, right. You're right. That's a good point. All right, I will let you go. Thank you again for your time. All right, now is the time of the show where we like to thank our small council Patreon subscribers for the $10 level you get all sorts of bonus content from us. 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And I would like to thank the following folks, Melanie Shoe, Nikki Hyde, Ben, Damon Van Vuren, Michelle Nathan Miller, Josh, Benjamin Birdie, Cat Reeves, Cheryl Nelson, Mary Henderson, Amara Luz, Vanessa Marshall, Seth Freilich, Karine Ball, or Karine Ball, Jessica Scott, Sarah Stone, Matthew Wilson, Tim McGregor, and Sarah Cooper. Thank you all for being part of the Small Council. And we're back to talk about the balance, any equation eventually, but I'm going to throw out a Joanna because I don't want to overwhelm anybody. Joanna, do we have an email we want to read here in the storm? I think I want to save that email. I'm going to save it for another time. Okay. I think it'll work better after the one that we read next week if I have my timeline start. So yeah. You got to just find your constant and hit the emails and put my push it back on the balance eddy equation, which you brought up in like the very first episode. And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? But anyway, so the numbers mean two things concretely. Number one, the numbers wind up being the numbers that are next to the like final candidates, that Jacob draws to the island, right? So that's one thing. But then also they are the integers in the equation, the balance eddy equation, which theoretically is a thing that predicts the end of the world. What I didn't realize when you first brought them up is that the balance eddy equation, though it's like kind of mentioned in the show, is like mostly a thing from the lost experience. This is like outside the show game. And like I don't mind not explaining what the numbers are really. Like if Damon Lindelof and Carlson Q's wanted to like keep the numbers thing kind of egg, I don't mind that at all. I think putting it into like a lost experience. Was it a game? I don't like an online experience, whatever the case is. Yes, like an ARG type of thing. Yeah, I think that is pretty silly. And Horhaker see us in similar. He was like, I wasn't really into the fact that they was like part of this thing that like a lot of people watch the show had no idea what it was. And so like I kind of feel like if they didn't want to explain the numbers, they should have just not explained the numbers and I'm fine with that. But to come up with this equation, it's very JJ. It's very like later season alias to do this. And I, I gotta say, it's the thing about the loss that I'm not a fan of. I guess the reason I enjoy the numbers from like a world building perspective is that they took the question like what's the significance of the numbers and why is the Dharma initiative on the island and gave them an answer like should anybody go looking. And a lot of my post series theorizing is a based on a lot of that material because like as we've also talked about on the final season like Blu-ray release, they had a whole short and then like other extras that were you know pieces of Dharma film to like add context to things that we've seen and answer all the questions. So I wouldn't say necessarily that's important, but I do think it's interesting that it's out there. If that makes like, is the balance any equation important to the show? No, not really. But then it's like if you ever gets the question of why did the Dharma initiative a stat what is it supposed to be besides a mysterious organization and what is it doing on the island? Yeah, it never really goes beyond like opposing Charles Whitmore, I don't think. I mean I guess I generally am not a huge fan of like EU stuff, extended universe stuff. Not a big fan of the, what are they alternate reality games? And that's part of marketing. Yeah, and that being like canon somehow. Like I think if it's like if it's part of the story it should be in the show. You know, weren't you just last week citing a mobshow? No, and you were like it's not, it doesn't matter if you see it or not, whether or not they kissed. Like that's the thing is like. So I think that the the numbers actually do like the meaning of the numbers actually does matter so it should be in the show because I I've always kind of thought like especially around like the lost experience. That's so it's all like really interesting and really intricate and really fun, but it's not necessary. But I guess I think I would rather I feel it feels like a half measure. I think I would rather either they not explain it at all or if they're going to explain it explain it in the show rather than outside of the show. Well, it did with the Jacob number things. Yeah, but then it means two things. It doesn't mean that if there actually is an algorithm, we don't know about that has key numbers, you know, that we haven't seen that predicts the end of the world and how to change it. Those four numbers could also, you know, be the people that can change the end of the world, which is what they prevent. Um, you just used your exasperated tone of voice that you only use with like David Erlich, so I'm going to back off this. Yeah. I just tried to do it all in one breath without sniffing in words. So it should might have sounded exasperated. I mean, I think what this boils down to, if you want me to use that tone is I think it's cool and you don't. I don't want you to use that tone. All right, let's talk about Hurley and his daddy issues. Hurley does have daddy issues. We just don't know about them yet. That's right. Cheech Marin places dad who abandoned them when they were young and came back when the money. Yeah. But it doesn't have like daddy issues from the jump on the show at least. Right that they explicitly talk about. Um, what's interesting about that episode and I love all Hurley episodes and we will get to them when we get to them, but like that episode, which is Trisha Tanaka's dad, which is one of my favorite episodes of Lost, um, you think, you think you know this story, right? Like deadbeat dad comes back when there's money in the family, but then like it turns out Cheech Marin's character is like kind of is kind of good for Hurley and is around and is supportive. So like even if
he is there opportunistically for money, like he's not then also like bad. Like he's already his keep, I guess, just like what I would say. 'Cause like when, once Hurley comes back off the, you know, when he's like comes back, they like, you know, they like throw him that Luah party, which is like, slightly in bad taste, but at least is like, I think, well meant. And also he like hides them when they're on the lamb. You know what he means to like, Hurley's dad is a complicated, daddy issue figure in the show. In the show. - Yeah, it's not as clear cut as like Jack and Sawyer and Locke. Well, I guess Locke is a whole different story, but you know, it's all pretty clear cut with those guys. - I have a follow up question. - Yes. - Danielle says, "The radio tower is near the Black Rock." But later, like when they go looking for the dynamite or whatever in the Black Rock, it feels like they don't have to go that far. Whereas the radio tower is like, presented as this crazy trek across half the island or whatever. So I don't know, like when she says, the Black Rock is near the radio tower, I think I need to consult a map of the island. And it's various. Maybe this is like, Westero Sea air travel time and I need to not get like, - Well, and there is like, the island definitely does, or like the show presents different forms of travel. Like there's like the stuff that they have to go through the woods to get to. And then the radio tower is one where they like, go around the outside of the island, right? - I think so. - Where it's like, there's stuff that like feels like longer distance because they're like walking along the shore. - Well, they're also. - Instead of going across the island through the jungle. - Also on the like map that Said's branching about is like, you know, if you, if she's marked anything like what you're looking for is here, that's not the camp, right? That's the Black Rock that he's like deciphered. They just don't go there, they follow herly. - Yeah, it's either that or the radio tower. - This is fascinating. Collider has a map of the lost island that, I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's canon, but it's fascinating to look at. Anyway, if you are listening and you are an expert and you have a preferred lost map that you like to look at. - Oh yeah, I guess they are. I found one. They are kind of close. They're like both like on the middle of the lower half of the island. - Right, right. - Yeah. Not far from the beach craft. - The beach craft. - Is that's coming to play. - We will talk about the next things up. So that we've definitely already recorded. Is it weird and I found this out when we were recording last week's episode that beach craft is spelled with the, like what does beach craft mean if not related to the beach because it's not spelled like. - Isn't there, doesn't be the, with two E's, doesn't that mean something else? - No, it's founded by a family, the beach family, BE, VH. - Wow. - So that's just true. - It's like it's a good length answer. - I bet the beach family is like really annoyed by people like assume it spelled the other way. - Well, they say-- - It's like a bubble that you use on the water. - Yeah, when they say beach craft, I'm like, yeah, I know what a beach craft is. It's like get it and then I like saw it right now. I was like, oh, maybe I don't get it. What are we talking about stormways in this section other than we're not talking about the numbers anymore because I don't wanna hear Dave. - (sighs) - Dude. (laughing) - I mean, should we just let him do his prepared monologue about the balance that he put in. - We're not gonna talk about it now. When are we gonna, I mean, - We're not gonna talk about it. - I mean, we're not gonna talk about it now. - Yeah, fun. - Sweet, and then yes, I think the next time, or I think the only time like balance that he pops up is during lockdown because during season two, the lost experiences running or had run, but we'll talk about that, I'm sure, in future podcasts. Yeah, and then what, I had forgotten that we came back that Hurley used the cord down to the other station to find its way back and that it went into the ground. Do we ever learn what the ground side tunnels to or is it just that's power for the underwater station? - Well, what do you mean? Because when they do, when they do through the looking glass, Desmond like kicks it up and they pull it up out of the sand and they use that to follow out to the looking glass. - So we're talking about that. - Right, we'll let dead ends in the jungle. - You hear, yeah, in this episode of Dead Ends in the jungle just goes underground. I mean, soon it's the power, but-- - Sure, yeah, yeah. - Okay, cool. The only thing, according to the map, now that I'm fascinated by this map, the only thing over there is the lighthouse. Also over there. - Which is like only sometimes over there, right? (laughing) - So maybe, I don't know. - I don't know. (laughing) - Maybe it just powers the island. - The island. - Maybe it's the dark crystal. - Yes, the dark crystal. - Of course, next to the light cork, it all makes sense. There's one white and there's one black. (laughing) - Yeah, spoiler wise, I don't know. There's like much like lore, stuff's talking to it. I mean, it's a great episode, but all Hurley episodes are just like such a welcome breath of fresh air 'cause it's for me, be Dave. - Oh yeah. - But yeah, I'm a big, a big Hurley episode fan and a big fan of like what Hurley represents on the island. - Yeah, this episode kind of slow plays, the hatch is leading to next episode, but I do like it in that it's on the previously on and you're like, oh, good, back to the hatch and then it's not until like the very end of the episode and you're like, oh my God, right, hatch. And then you know, that's where we'll pick up next week, I think. Neil, where we go next week on the storm. We are headed to Deus Ex Machina, which is a lockup episode, episode 19. We have some surprises in this episode, I guess, is as far as I'm gonna take that. - Yeah. - Take it. - Some podcasts related subscribers, surprises. Not, I mean, the episode will be plenty of surprising. Trust me. - Well, they're also in the storm, so like they know, they know who, boom, boom, fall down. - Let's get it. - Boom, fall down. - Boom, fall up the cliff. - I love the cliff. (laughing) - All right, excellent. Until next week or for our Patreon subscribers, probably tomorrow we have bonus content coming out. It seems to be how it goes these days. Working people find you on the internet. Let's start with Joanna Robinson. - Like, find me on Vain and Fair.com. You follow me on Twitter @JoRoatThis. You can hear me talking about, oh, kind of stuff, a little gold men podcast on the still watching podcast where we're talking about succession on the Boiler Room podcast where we're talking about my so-called life or here. Talk about last with you. - And Mr. Niel Miller. - Oh, as always, you get me over at filmschoolrejects.com. We recently finished movie memes week. We got obsessed with memes, it was fun. Follow me on Twitter @rejects. Don't forget to follow the show @StormPodcast. Got all kinds of fun stuff up there for you. - And I'm Dave Gonzalez. If you find me on Twitter @da7e, you can also find me at the Fighting in the War Room podcast on the Fighting in the War Room podcast. Actually, sometimes I am just kind of at there and listening to the other people fight, but it's good fights, so you'll enjoy it. You could find that wherever, you know, fine podcasts are served. And it's very important when you're crossing a bridge in the jungle in search of answers about some numbers, but also important in everyday life and to your own personal safety. So I urge you to not fall down. [BLANK_AUDIO]
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