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So you imagine someone who's scared of flying doing 80 flights. So when the International Bates used to appear, I said, "Oh, we need an International Bates." Now I'm the one guy that thinks, "I'm not flying this way." I was gutted for you going to Madrid, but then I'd felt really bad if I'd said that. I'm super scared of flying. Julian, have you been very good? Thank you, my friend and you. Very, very good. Enjoy the weekend, the Premier League Sunday. It's interesting, isn't it? It's getting very interesting. Very interesting. I genuinely think there might be a chance of a Manchester Derby in the championship next season. It could be, yeah. And that would be something. You never know. You never know. You never know. Right, look, we're going to reflect on last night's ballon door where Harry Kane became the first Englishman to win the world's best player in 25 years since Michael Owen. And we're going to be a bit of European scouting, seeing as we've got two European experts with us. But we've got to talk about the big news that's coming out of Manchester United at the moment. As it stands, and as we record this, guys, Michael Carrick is still in situ as the head coach of Manchester United. But all of the information that we do have is that is future in that position is hanging by a thread. So let me start with you, Terry, your former Manchester United striker. Would you make of it all of the minute? Well, Michael Carrick isn't the problem, first and foremost, and the problem to go back a long way, long time now. And how long is his podcast? I mean, to talk about the problems at Manchester United. It's been the recruitment over the last decade, maybe more, to the extent now that when they buy players, I'm thinking, is he really a menu naughty player? But the problem is the big players are not choosing to go to menu naughty, though. Whereas in the day when I was playing and then under Sir Alex Fergson, that everybody, if you had the chance to go to menu united, that's the club you wanted to go to if you wanted to stay and play in the Premier League. Now that I'm not able to go to the top drawer and the track those players, they've been going to Manchester City, they've been un-deliverable. They began to ask them, "Mensionality is falling down." So it's all accumulates to what we're seeing now. When I'm looking at the menu united line up, thinking, are they really the quality that menu united need to be competed against between Barcelona, PSG, Manchester City Arsenal in the Premier League? They're many miles away from it. And when the club gets into that situation, you want to dump the whole lot, and that includes a lot of the players, most of the players, the manager. And I think everybody, we sort of reaction from the fans at the Straitford end of the weekend. They know it's not down to Michael Carrick. It's been all these different managers that they've tried. They've had some really top level managers. They cheered Michael Carrick off and then hammered the players, which was kind of pleasing to see. We all noticed that. We all know what are some of the problems with that group of players. And they deserve all the disrespect they get from the fans, because they're chucking every manager under the bus. George, we're going to come to the blame game in just a moment, but we're recording this at the moment. 15 minutes after we finish recording, it could be sacked. Or you could actually be in charge for the game at Chelsea over the weekend, simply because of that. Does that actually sum up the chaos and the lack of clarity that's happening at that club? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we've heard yesterday that a lot of meetings were happening and a lot of discussions, which you would expect in a crisis situation like this one, because let's call it what it is. It is a crisis. Not for the first time, as Straitger said, it's been going on for many, many years, but you've reached a point where maybe we thought in the summer that Carrick was the right guide for this big, rebuilding job and rebuilding process that the club has to go through, that because for the last 13 years also, it's just been trying to fix short term in the short term, a club that actually needed much more than just fixing a small fixing. And now is the time, I agree with Terri in the sense that the problems are much bigger than just who the manager is anyway. But I do think that Michael Carrick is out of his depth for what the rebuilding looks like and what the situation is. I don't think he's that. For me, he's a great head coach, but right now you need to be more than that. And that's why they need somebody else there that would actually restructure everything. He would take a long time. You need to get rid of a lot of those players that we mentioned, starting with Bruno and Lissandra Martinez, who are in the last year of their contract. I don't expect to see them next season, maybe not even after January, but there's so much to do, but you need the right guy in place, I think, for them. Yeah, Terri mentioned it there. You can't blame Carrick, but there are so many different facets to this, isn't there? The ownership, the board, the sporting director, the recruitment, the players, and the head coach. Because as much as people will say, and Terri mentioned it there, he was being cheered and sung to the rafters by the Stratford and as he walked off, and the players were being booed. But yet he's the head coach of a team that's been Ipswich Town and sub-a all season. Yeah, I think he's, he's out of his depth, I do say. I think the whole thing is too just too big for him. I don't think that's what he expected. I think he struggles with the media pressure, the attention, the scrutiny, the fact that things are not working, that he's even criticized by his own players, which I think is unacceptable, but it can happen. The fact that he can't find solutions, that he looks so passive, that he's been criticized by us, the media as well, for the passivity that he has on the bench, really, I look at him at the weekend, he was going to cry on Sunday. I mean, he looked like he had tears in his eyes, and again, I think to succeed in those kind of environments, you have to be, to have a thick skin, is that what you're saying English, right? And I just don't think right now, you might have been in five years time, 10 years time, where he would have learned from what happens here, but I think right now, this is too much for him. And it's a different job to the one he was given last season. Exactly, yeah. Where it was temporary, and it wasn't, it wasn't his responsibility to fix the problems that there's been. When he gets the job permanently, it anticipates, and there's going to be more support from in terms of the transfer windows, moving players out as much as bringing players in. And when that didn't happen, now he's looking at it, and he's thinking this season, June said that it's maybe, I wouldn't say it out of his depth, but it's not the job description, he thought he thought it was going to be blessed with half a dozen really talented players, where men, you know, to spend a lot of money in the summer, they didn't, and there's obvious flaws in the squad position, and wisely fenders, left-back, centre-backs, all over the squad. Just on that big thing there. The ownership will say, we spent £156 million on rebuilding that midfield. Is that squad capable of challenging on Premier League and in Europe? Has he been let down? Yes. Yeah. 156 million for majority clubs in European football is a lot of money, most of the clubs in France, apart from PSG, most of the clubs in Spain, he's probably including Barcelona and Real Madrid, but it's not a lot in the Premier League. I mean, and it's not, well, mentionarded need is not what they've been needing. They needed to spend £300 million, and spend their better than what they did. I mean, it's sad, as an ex-menuative player, to witness it, to see it and think, how have they drifted and drifted and drifted? And then he got the ownership of the club, that's the shambles. Because it's still even the amount of money spent, because they spend over a billion in the last five years, so it's who you spend it on. It's always the same. And if you look at their track record in terms of signing investment recruitment, it's dire, let's be honest. You talked about Bruno and his under Martinez before Julian, two-part question. Did he make the right decision, first of all, Michael Carrick, by dropping Bruno to the bench, and then making him stew on the bench, even though everyone said, well, this is time for Bruno to try and rescue you night, but he was kept on the bench. And you think this is at the point of no return now for players like Bruno and his André. So I thought Carrick made a mistake by not droppingly Sondra Martin as the week before, after the Atlético game and the outburst and the criticism of. Yeah, but like I thought that was different was a major criticizing Carrick. Yes, true. It was different, but I think the people that Carrick probably wanted to create themselves. Yeah, no, maybe, but it's still in terms of authority and having your dressing room there and not letting them do whatever they want, I think they should have showed more discipline and authority and properly Sondra. They didn't. They played against leads, which I thought was a mistake. After that, I expected Bruno to be left at home. I won't lie. I didn't even think he should have been in the squad. I thought, leave him at home, let him watch the game on the sofa. And then after that, it was even more humiliating, but and then, but then I thought, okay, he's in the squad. he's on the bench, it would bring him on if needs be, if there are too many love, don't bring him on, that would teach him a lesson. But I thought that was humiliating for Bruno to be sat there in that game, but maybe that's what Karik wanted. And maybe that was the right answer, once you've taken him in the squads, maybe that was the way of doing it. And the San Andreas was criticised and now he's above, but he's also criticised in these thingnights. Yeah. He said, "This squad isn't good enough, these players are not good enough, not directly, but by saying that we haven't built in plays, and this squad isn't good enough." But Bruno, I was sitting there watching it and half listening to the interview, and he was after the game, and I was looking at the stuff online, and he was like, "What's he saying? I couldn't pull that sack back, and he's just throwing the manager completely under the bus." I was astonished that he said that. Just on the situation that United find themselves in, on the playing front, just now, Jaws, do you feel that they're, I don't know, people are saying, "They're all phrased too good to go down, etc." But if they don't sort this managerial situation out, in the right way, do you think they are in danger? Yeah, I think so. I mean, they are playing like a team that's 17th in the table right now, it's not even if you could even look at the start or the underlying data and think, "Okay, they should have more point because of this or because of that." You look at the performances, you look at the stats, and they are where they should be. And I know, I know there's a leg goal that comes here against Sperzen Solonky, but they didn't deserve to win that game, really. Against Bournemouth, there's mistakes there, and the conditions were difficult overall, but they didn't deserve more than a defeat, really. And you look at a combo that were outplayed from start to finish, and Karik, I think, messed up a lot of things, too. And you look at them, and yeah, it would be a fight. Obviously, there are three worse teams than them in the league, so they won't go down, but it's a season where you could see them finishing 14th, 15th and that's it. And that is when earlier in the season, people like Gary Neville, like Luke Schruel, like Harry Maguire was saying, "Yeah, we can win the title, we can push Austin, we can push CT, we can do well in the Champions League." Michael Karik said that anything was possible in the Champions League for much of the United season at the start of the game, before the Sabah game. IE, we can even win this. I mean, like, the denial that those people were in at the start of the season, you think like, well, okay, then they get what they deserve, because they really thought that they could do better than what we've seen so far. Terry, the attention, if Karik is to go, is going to change to who should replace Michael Karik. The names that are being bounded around Unigh Emery, which looked very, very unlikely, because the thought process is why would Unigh Emery leave a club like Asim Villa, where he's got a lot of control to a place where he wouldn't have the control that he would want. But the two big names that are coming out at the moment, who appear to be the front runners at Eddie Howe and Julian Nagelsmann, who do you think would be the right fit at this time for Manchester United? Unigh Emery. And I say that, because he would only take that job if he's given the power. Manchester United now have to give the power to a manager. So we've all due respect to Nagelsmann and Eddie Howe. They won't go in with the authority. They need to manage a little authority. They can't be Michael Karik, he can't do it. I'm not sure Eddie Howe can have that authority. If he goes into World Traffin and says, right, this is how I want to do it on my terms. Unigh Emery would, and could, but I don't think they'll give it to him. So therefore, it doesn't go to Eddie Howe, Nagelsmann, someone like that. There are other managers about it. It'd be the same as their recruitment. It isn't good enough. It'd be the same recruitment as the manager. There's two names that's picked one of those two. Manchester Velverdi is not working. Marcelino, V&R, I'm just talking about the Spanish managers. How many Spanish coaches in the Premier League have done well? So if they can't get Unigh Emery, why wouldn't they consider Ernesto Velverdi, eggs Barcelona manager managed to blow over Europe? There are other options there. Nagelsmann, I don't think it's done enough to be that man that can come in and grab a football club as big as Man United. But I'll just scruff at a neck and drag them back to anywhere near where they should be, where they used to be. The other thing is, is who would be suited to the current squad that Manchester United have just now? Probably Eddie Howe, the two. And I think Eddie Howe is a good coach, fantastic reputation. There's no doubt on his qualities as a coach. I just think if he goes in, I fear that it might be in similar situations. Carrick, the people above will still hold the power. I'm not saying the managers should have all the power. But in terms of I want to sell this player, I would like to buy this type of player, give me a choice of four or five old pick. I will have the final say, which Unigh Emery does as the middle. Is that going to happen in Man United? It needs to. And the people in charge must surely now be thinking we need to do something different. We can't just go on higher another manager, pay this manager off. New lot of coach itself and then bring in someone and we're in charge deal because we're not running it as easily. You know who would be the best and you won't come obviously because he's at PhD right now, but it's recent weekend. They need somebody like recent weekend with that kind of experience, with the character, with the personality to go in and say, OK, we need to, there's so much we have to do here. Reconnection with the reconnect with the fans with the fan basics we saw is toxic there. Restructuring even the club everybody putting the same direction getting rid of the players that you don't think are good enough anymore that you don't want there. And then start from scratch again, but giving giving him the time this isn't is a right of anywhere pretty much. Let's be honest here. So this isn't is how you spend this season getting rid of the players that you don't want preparing already for the general transfer window, the summer transfer window. Getting the identity those values back everything you want having that unity around this coach and this first team and then next from next season you start building and building and it would take a few years, but you would get there eventually. And he would be great for that they had him they had him there. He they interviewed him not that long ago. They could have had him and he would have been perfect at that time. They let him go. We very happy in Paris to have him is extended the contract etc etc but he's somebody like like that. It wouldn't go away. It would not go now. No, but you need you need somebody like him. I think Antonio Conte has a shot because I know he's been a bit short termista times, but I think he takes a lot of the boxes of what they will be looking for to be. Do you think maybe you know Manchester United are always going into managerial appointments thinking right this is for the long term we want to build this, this, this and this. The position that they're in is there an argument. Let's just get the short term sorted first of all and then we can start thinking about that because they're in trouble at the moment. They are in trouble, but you you think like a decent coach will keep will keep them up. You know, this is a league where we have her city and Coventry and Ipswich and even teams like Foulam will probably will still finish below United in the in the table. So I think this season would be like a write-off. They would finish somewhere. They won't go down. They won't win merch, but they'll be there. But you use that already to get ready for next season. Next season would be the biggest one. The other name I mentioned to Terry, Julian Nagelsman, who Terry says no, he's probably not ready to grab a club like that by the scrap of the neck. But there is that relationship with Christopher Viver. Exactly. They've worked together before. Can that be a factor because when you're talking about recruitment and trying to be on the same page? Absolutely. When a manager and a sporting director have got an experience of working together previously, it can work. Yeah. And I think you really, and it's very obvious what we're going to say, but this, the spine of this club from the ownership to the CEO to the sporting actor and to the manager has to be on the, that has to be rock solid, which hasn't been the case I United for many, many years. And even right now, I think Karik was just happy to be on the page and to coach and let Wilcox Viver do their things. The CEO and Omar Barada, I thought he was a good appointment, but I'm not sure really exactly why he does and we certainly never hear of him. And then the ownership, I mean, the glazers have been catastrophic. What do they even want? We don't know. And then you've got surgeon, right? Cliff, who, you know, realize his dream by becoming a minority shareholder at the club that he loved. But as made things worse, let's be honest, since he arrived then before even that. So this, this spine is just not there. He has to be. If that is Nagrosmann and Viver, and then Omar Barada is on, he's on board. And then whatever they could do with the ownership, maybe, but I agree with tell us, I'm just not sure. Nagrosmann has the personality for it. Okay. In two words, who will be the next manager of Manchester United? If we think that Michael Karik is going to go anyhow. I was hoping it would be Conte. I think it would be Nagrosmann because I think Viver would win that kind of power battle. Well, okay. So we've got a different opinion than Eddie Howe and Julian Nagrosmann. Right. Let's see how that one transpires. Let's now talk about last night and the ball on door. And officially, Harry Kane is the best player in the world. The first Englishman, as I mentioned before, to win this award in 25 years. Michael Owen did it in 2001. Jules, let's start with you. I know that you wanted or lobbying for for the likes of Radish Gillia. Michael, at least saying killing and back pay and Osman D'Ambelle and, you know, men. Anyone but Harry Kane. That's not true. Okay. Joking aside. It isn't an incredible achievement for him. And I'm very happy for him. My point was just that we said from the beginning, it was a very open race. The most open ball on door race. We've had in many, many years with a lot of contenders. You could make pros and cons for all of them. Kane and Lamin and Kilian and Vaskelia, all these messy whoever you wanted. You could see why they could win it and why they might not win it. I'm happy for Harry Kane, I'm happy for English football to start with, I think it's a wonderful story. And like Lamino Killian, who were prodigies for a very young age and you could see a 15, they would make it big and they made a debut at 16 and etc, etc. Harry had to work harder when on those loans that never really worked out, later on in an average and less than a middle wall and all of that in thinking like at 1718, you could have never said that he would win the Ballon d'Or 33 and yet he's there because he's worked harder than everybody else and he became this unique player with a unique skill set that can be the best number nine and number ten that England have had for a very long time. And I think for that is great. I just think that when you were not even the Bundesliga player of the year, you know what I'm going to say. I think it's hard to be the best player, but the consistency that you showed in all the competition that you played in all those goals, 73 and 65 games makes it deserves it. So I'm happy for him and I'm happy for English football. Too much inventory? Cost climb. Too little? Production slows. Granger's $2 billion in on-hand inventory helps you get what you need when you need it so you can help keep budgets balanced and lines moving. Call 1-800-Granjer. Granger for the ones who get it done. Terry, I mean you waited a long time until his 30s to actually win something, went to buy Munich, he's one title there, he's one of the biggest individual owner in the sport. I know you're a spurs fan, just as a spurs fan, how pleased are you that it's Harry Kane's name? It changes me off, because we had Luca Modric leave spurs and win the ball on door. Yeah, and everybody had Harry Kane leave spurs and win the ball on door. Wait this could be the starting point. They could say look you come to us and you will be the ball on door winner in the ring. Exactly. It's to leave now and then. So yeah, no, it's glorious for Harry Kane. He takes a lot of the boxes that maybe did one or two of the others down in terms of he doesn't have a massive social media presence, he's not out there lobbying for himself to be and I get why the menu mode did that for the last few months. He's 19, he's a kid, we forget how young he is and when you're young and you're 16, 17, 18, 19 playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world and playing as well as he does win titles, we're in the world cup. Now and then you're going to act a little bit different. I've got nephews who are 19 years old and I'm thinking they're the same age. You treat them as not kids, but not far off it. So I get why and I feel for him back later because he's 27. He has been the best player in the world, probably is still in my opinion at this moment in time and yet he has not won it yet. Now he got caught up in the written remnants of the Messi and Ronaldo where they were winning it every year, similar to Lewandowski. Well now they've departed and moved on and they're not winning it. It's interesting to see it at different times, but Harry Kane's season or year has been incredible. I'll give Jones to a degree and Bappé was top scorer in the Champions League, top scorer in the world cup, but when you look at Harry Kane's body of work, it's a lovely story. It's hard to say, I'm not the massive fan of the individual rules in football anyway because you're still subjective. Whereas if you're the top scorer in Europe, if you're in the Champions League, if you win your league, it's not subjective. That's the best. That's how you do it. And I think over the last three years, there's been lobbying from the clubs, agents, media to get the winners they won. For instance, when Vinicius lost it and Real Madrid lost it, Carve Hall and Bellynum should have been the players that Real Madrid lobbied for, not Vinicius, they won the Champions League, they won LaLiga, Bellynum at an unbelievable season. Real Madrid chose the lobby for Vinicius, that didn't happen, rugby money. It's always going to be a debate about it because it's subjective, but it's brilliant for England after all these years to have applied it. That's one. George Terry mentioned that they're about individual owners and how he's not that comfortable with it, it's a team game, etc. But the prestige of this award, particularly in RIs now in this country, he has gone up, hasn't it, because I think there was an interview with Michael Owen when he'd won in 2001 in Gerard Julien almost had to explain to him how big a deal this actually was. And so now he will look back and think this is a massive, massive thing I've won. And I think the messy Ronaldo years have elevated this award to another level to what we saw last night and how many people are actually interested in this award now, right? Yeah, yeah. I love the ballon though, I have to say, I love it. I completely understand why Telen and some other players especially don't really like it, I love it. I love it. And I explain it every time all the same because the players care so much. And you saw Kane's reaction when Ronaldo said his name yesterday, Brazilian Ronaldo on Monday night, and the emotion and everything. And he dreamed of, he dreamed sorry of winning this. Like Karin Benzema did, like Roger did, all the players like Lamin was so disappointed and really so and Kylian the same because they is the dream to have that at home, on that shelf, with all your little trophies in your in your trophy cabinet room or whatever they have, you know, and this is, and that's why I kept because the players really want to win it. They don't want to be selfish and being just about them and all of them thank the clubs and the teammates and the coaches and everything, but because I think when you grow up, especially when you've grown up in the messy Ronaldo kind of era or watching them and seeing them winning all those ballon doors, I think seven for one or eight for one and five or six for the other, I think you want to be there too. You want to do like Messi and Ronaldo. And I think that's why they care so much and that's why I like it, but you're right, he's gone to another level now than to the old one years or even the Zidane's years. But for us in France, maybe because he's a French thing at the start originally, they keep on front football, he's always been big, but but Michael, when we're saying yesterday that you go from coding in 2001 to say, hey, you've won the ballon door and you're right, you must have been like, okay, yeah, thanks. Bye. And then I say, but yes, that's a different culture now as well, maybe it isn't it. The messy Ronaldo, the social media stuff, the stuff, the actual ceremony as well. Yeah, a company with rather than a phone call and you picked up the page of the next day and so I can remember doing that same by the loving one, the Zidane one, the ballon door. It's changed a lot now, red carpets out. Exactly. There's a kind of influences there. I thought we'd see you on the red carpet, but I kept looking and I was running back and telling I was busy with work, but I was very busy as well, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm not invited. I imagine you have to work hard getting in, but for a little people, do you think, why are they there? Who is that? You're saying I must work hard? No, no, no, I'm saying to not be to get down, shall we? Can I get an invite? Next year, I'll get you in next year. Thanks, George. Make a few fun calls. Where is it next year? That's a good question because I thought it was Paris every year, and then this year when they said to me, I said London. No, do you know the reason why it's in London? No, because it's 70 years, yeah, and was the first winner Stanley Matthew? Oh, yeah, that's right. And I think that's why they marked that. Yes, that's true. I should do it in London. Yeah, you know, yeah, you should have been there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just for that start. Yeah, should have been. I used to play against Stan. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was shocked when you looked there, that's true. Is he telling the truth? Well, surely. So, Harry Kane wins Ballon Dore. Killing and Bappe came second in the Ballon Dore. I'm guessing now that he's working on next year's prize because after Al Classico on Sunday and the way he started this season, he looks like he's on a bit of a mission at the minute. A big win for Real Madrid, Terry, in the Al Classico, going to the new camp, winning by two goals to one and Bappe getting two goals and we saw the famous knee slide return from a certain Jose Mourinho, didn't we? We've seen everything from Jose in about 15 games already this season, the knee slide refusing to attend press conferences, turning up with an A4 piece of paper with a printout. Do you remember the Fodes of Growth? A challenge. He's arguably referees. I don't think he's been sent off. I have no idea how he hasn't because he's been in trouble every game. But at the weekend, Real Madrid, they deserved the win and they played a normal style of football. He didn't reinvent the wheel. It was pretty much a 4-5-1 or 4-4-Bellon and Bappe. But when they were out of possession, they all got back behind the ball apart from him, Bappe. The wide players are de Gula and the Mendi. They adhered to exactly where as Vinicius probably doesn't. So it was the players, because Vinicius was suspended and they kind of helped that he added a 19-year-old ring out and are de Gula is a fantastic player. Probably planning the position doesn't particularly like. It probably helps his instructions. He's style. The game plan was helped by the players available. And they stuck to it brilliant. You could see them all the time. They weren't sitting too deep, they played nice and compact and when they got the ball there. They'd be lethal in the counter-attack and play. And you're always going to be when you've got Killing and Bappe out there. And half football pitch to put the ball into when Barcelona press in higher, you've got a chance and you know pre-Joseated, there's been a turning point recently, the three late goals against Roma. Trust me, it was on the verge of getting the sack after losing that game. They'd lost two league games, they'd struggled away from having against Espanyol, they got a last minute winner with Carlos Sespy, they got a last minute winner at El Chabre Carlos Sespy who kept coming off the bench, they'd lost their way to Atlético, they'd lost to Betis, they were really, they weren't impressive at all. Even into Milan in the Champions League, they should've lost, but they won. And then it comes to the Roma game and I'm sitting at home that night and you should never write off around with you, and I know we, we, I'm still stupid enough to do that. A three one down with five minutes to go, it's, you're thinking, and the way they were playing, they're not going to get out of this and suddenly they score three goals in five minutes and corners. And from then on, the performance against Espanyol was much better and then you get the Leipzig as well and then you get the performance of the weekend. So that has been a real, that Roma game is a real turning point because if they lost that game three one, after the defeats that they've suffered in Lelega and Barcelona was six points clear, a lot of people would have been questioning, I mean, people do question, is it a wide decision? We don't know yet to bring Jose back. It's good fun, it's good for business for me because everyone wants to talk about it and watch Jose. I think all we got left is the poke in the eye of the opposing manager. He's completed the full sweep of all the stuff he did before. He sits there, he looks miserable, he looks grumpy and every single game I do it, I look at him and I do say on air, please enjoy it. This, this is an opportunity he probably didn't expect. He's back at the, probably the biggest club in Europe with wonderful squad of players. He looks miserable, he looks grumpy. He actually fits the bill at the moment perfectly, if you look for him seen him for his once. It's going to be interesting to see it pens out, but we've got a Lelega title waste by coming in. We certainly have, but we'll, we'll, you mentioned Vinicius Jr will come to him in just a moment, one or talk about a couple of the English players in El Clasico, Anthony Gordon at Barcelona. He was asked before the game, how he rated, how he's done since he arrived. He's given himself a seven and a half out 10. Generous, too low, too high, about right? Yeah, but right, I would say, I don't know what to tell you things, but I would say, I think he's in, he's settled in really, really well. I think he wanted to settle well, so he learned the language already. He was ready to just like fully kind of put himself into this new life, a new, new side of his career chapter of his career, really. And I think he did, he did really well in a team that suits his style, especially the pressing that he can bring, the counter pressing he can bring, and the directness that he can have on the ball. Even if it's between him and at the Yemi on that left hand side, and Rafini and Lemina guaranteed starters, obviously, he still had a lot of game time. It was really good, I thought, so in the Champions League, this was always going to be the game, though, where we would judge. And I think overall, he was a little bit disappointed, I think, in his game. Terry, when Jose arrived, I think there's a lot of talk, how's he going to get on with Vinicius? How's he going to get on with Embape? How's he going to get on with Jude Bellingham? What's that relationship like? Have they, have they jailed, have they clicked those two? The Vinicius one is a problem, I think. But why would you have a problem with killing Embape and Jude Bellingham? I mean, they're both responsible footballers, Bellingham is only 23, but Embape is 27. They are fed up with not winning trophies at Real Madrid, and they'll support the manager that's there at the moment, because they don't want to see Barcelona win in the title every year. They want to be winning Champions League again. This is why I mean, Jude Bellingham has won one, one with Real Madrid, but Embape isn't. He wants to be champions of Europe with Real Madrid. So I didn't think for a minute it was going to be a problem with Bellingham and Embape with Joseph. There's already discussions reportedly about an extension of his contract. That doesn't surprise you the way the way that relationship is. A contract for Jose. No, no, Jude. No, I, Jude, I mean, I stuck up for Jude Bellingham for the first two years, he was at Real Madrid, because I've watched every game he played for Real Madrid. I didn't know a lot about Jude Bellingham, apart from England games before. I had realised he was playing at a Bundesliga at 18-19. He came to La Liga, his first season ripped out. Played in La Liga at the age of before he was 20. I'd rarely seen him have a bad game, and yet for two years, I would like to stick up for him with the media in this country to the extent that just before the World Cup, people was suggesting that he shouldn't be in the team. People were suggesting that he shouldn't be in the squad. And I was looking at Jude Bellingham every game at Real Madrid. I'm checking his age because he was the leader. He is one of the leaders of Real Madrid. He was doing this two years ago at the age of 21. And I'm thinking, why are we not proud of this player? He goes to the World Cup and then the one says a bad word about Jude Bellingham. And I would say, in ten years, for two years, just listen. You don't just watch the other Champions League game. And don't just judge him on the fact that Real Madrid haven't won anything in the last two years. The first year he was there was the league title, one in Champions League. So I didn't anticipate he was going to be a problem in Joe's Emorania and Jude Bellingham. Any manager at Real Madrid, he's a joy to have. Just very quickly on Vinicius then. Arsenal were desperate to sign him. He ends up staying at Real Madrid, signs a five year contract. Realistically, that should be the end of the matter. But you foresee a bit of trouble ahead with regard to Vinicius Dune and potentially leaving Real Madrid at some point. It could be difficult for him to leave, but the celery that he's on. And I think that one of the reasons Real Madrid got him to sign in a contract was so they could get a huge transfer. So I'd done the who was going to pay the huge transfer. So he'd probably looking at 150 million. Yeah, maybe something. Yeah, yeah. For a player of his stature, his age and huge wages, like 500,000 a week, it's a big gamble. I'm not sure there's not many clubs that can do that. So but a problem is going to be if he stayed there when he's Yanday Mendes playing ahead of him at the moment. He'd bring me to my next point, Yanday Mendes. Yeah, it was linked with a lot of Premier League clubs. Yeah, yeah, with PSG as well. Yeah, PSG, but I'd got him. Yeah, yeah, no. He ends up at Real Madrid. How is he settled into life there? Slow starts, but to be expected because he was only 19 years old when he signed. He only had really one full season in one of the big five leagues in Alive Sieg coming from Léganese where he was in Spain before, but that was a, you know, he was an up and coming player at the time. But the way that I think he was patient, that Jose was patient and worked with him to get him to this stage now where he can start on the left hand side score like a banger against like six, for example, coming off the bench or B. But come and start in a game like the classical and be very disciplined. Okay, maybe the discipline comes to the detriment of his creativity and maybe what you could give him say like, hey, do whatever you want. Be a, be free, we give you the ball and then do what you want. Maybe, but certainly for what the job he had to do on Sunday night, I think it was perfect. And I, I, I think I don't see why finishes would come back into this team as a starter. For me, you're nailed on on grueler on the right, even if I agree with tell, that's not his best position. Probably not where he wants to play, but he's doing a great job there, especially when Valverde is the right back behind him. Do it as a 10, killian up front, and then do your Monday on the left. This is it. You've got your front four sorted. So thisstonishing story, the Amanda as well. I mean, George mentioned about Legoniz. He came halfway through the season. They were in a relegation, but they went down. And this kid kept suddenly appeared from nowhere from a cat and a cat in the US. Yeah. So when they went down at the end of season, I spoke to a few clubs here and I said, this kid in Legoniz, his bio calls can't be high because he's only been there six months. He's salary can't be high because he joined from an academy on kind of untrials. Yeah, it's really, yeah. And he went for 20 million, and I was like, oh, hang on. I'm not sure he was that good. He was an 18-year-old. You might look at, I think, a two-minute, three-minute bio calls, worth, you know, taking a chance on 20 million. He goes to, I'll be like, saying, I'm thinking, oh, that's a, and then a year later, it's 100, there's 100 million on top of that. So my judgment that a player was good, my, my pricey graduation. Yeah, miles out. I just want to ask you very quickly, Terry, on one of the surprise moves of the summer, Ronald Araco, who goes on loan from Barcelona to Liverpool. And what's the phrase never fall in love with the loan signing? Well, it's too late, as far as Liverpool fans are concerned, because they absolutely love him. Have you been surprised about how well he's adapted, particularly, he's playing out of position now, because he's solving that right back problem that Liverpool have had? No, I'm not, he was hugely popular at Barcelona until, and then there were some high-profile mistakes in Champions League games, mistakes sending it off. And then he lost his way. I'm not surprised he's a good right back, because Chevin played him there against Vinicius. Remember, he was the nemesis? He was always Vinicius. He played centre-alf every week, when they played Real Madrid, he meant to man-mark Vinicius. So he can play right back. He had the mental health issues, because when you play for a club at Barcelona, none of us are sure, are you, you're going to react to going from a hugely popular player to one that was pretty much hated, because they claimed him for not winning Champions League, two or three years on the track. He was these hard-profile mistakes he made. And he suffered. So going to a new, for a new club and new style, I'd never been in doubt, he's telling. It was a problem in playing the high defensive line. Just struggling to get my head around, because he's quick. But I sometimes think when you play that hard defensive line, you're at the more intelligent players at a slower ones Because they have to be intelligent. They have to be switched on. They can't think oh, I'm quick I'll make that mistake. I'll get back and make up for that mistake, which a rail hoe did So there's a defensive line. He might be the player playing them on the side that being he was often quick enough to get back But when it didn't work, then it become a problem So it seems that that high line defensive line was a problem for him Do you think it's a case of when and not if Liverpool will exercise that option to make it a permanent deal? Yeah, I don't see a way back to Barcelona for him Despite the fact that now they dream of a fiction the fans and they're glad he's doing well at Liverpool But there's never been any full process that he's when they come makes Barcelona Right before we let you go We just want to look ahead to the January transfer winners already coming up Very soon, isn't it? We only the end of October will be with us before you know it And we've got two European experts here. Julian, you're an expert and Liga Terry an expert in La Liga So what I want to ask you both is Give us three players from each of those leagues who premier league clubs should be looking at So Terry, let's start with you all three of just the first one. Let's go one at a time Let's go who's your first one? My first one is John Martin of Real Sociedad. He's a 20-year-old centre-back played about 70 games I really won a cup. They already got a cap for Spain as well. Pretty well cut He's I've no doubt he'll be alongside Kubas in the nation team in the next couple years. I America Paul is a He's not getting any younger. They're looking for another centre-back partner He is is everything he won from a century family right footed so I'd be different to play him alongside Kubas He fought spying but he's he's got big bicycles and round shots that they play. He's don't leave they don't get sold You know play clubs other clubs don't go and buy it. Oh, he's able five years ago because he was 50 million bicycles. They don't tend to leave But I think a big club's gonna come and get him some John Martin. Yes, Real Sociedad 20 years old. Remember the name George my first one is a centre-back as well. He's made like a new I lost who is 21 years old Who is who was one of the best defenders in League and last season best centre-backs from the academy there playing the Champions League now Which we would give him great experience to be ready for a big move and a step up somewhere else But a bit like what tells at about John Martin, which I agree fully by the way He's got a bit of everything. He's good on the board. He's very athletic. He's fast. He's strong He has a good understanding of the game. He's positioning is usually right He still makes a few mistakes because he's still very young and a bit raw But a bit like what Jacquedid when he was a rain in France before moving to Liverpool Ganyu is a little bit older but very similar kind of player So again, I think he's the one the next one to move from what Loss have been very good at selling players to the Premier League. Right. Okay number two Rafita Garedo He's a 21 year old at Manninger and Maligre Popnaleague this this season Noody promoted. They've spent 300,000 euros in the summer transfer window on loans So they didn't buy any player. They don't bought a player for about seven years and they got promotion They got the manager got the job last season when they were in relegation problems in the seconder And he recovered them and took them up and they got up in the playoffs So they kind of expected to get relegated but Maligre's team has built on all young players that come through their system So they've kept they haven't gone out and bought other players in and and that most of them are local So you're looking at where they're from Maligre, Marlboro, FW, Benham, Madden, Alley. They're areas around Maligre So they're all new to me. So Rafita Garedo is new to everyone because they don't want to game He plays right back. He plays left-back. He's 21 years old and Because he's done so well already for a team that's not winning the game He's popped up in midfield. He got immediately got called up to the end of the 21s in the last squad Because it was like a validation of we didn't know too much about this youngster at Maligre When they were in the seconder, now they're in the top level and we can see what he's doing It's quite small which might put off clubs in the Premier League But in terms of quality and he's a utility player across the both four-back positions right footed left footed And he can play midfield. He can play higher up He's been a real surprise to me this year. Pleasant surprise. I'm not surprised I want to stay. You've been to Marlboro Yeah, I'd stay My next one is Paris Bruno a Monaco a great fresh name to start with although he's German and not from Paris But he's simply League out top goal scorer and the the best striker we've had right now in the league at Monaco If you've seen the goalie scored against Freiburg in a conference league Last week was our standing solo effort is called Greg goals through the season It was always very promising even when he was at dormant in in Germany It was just something was just not clicking for him And it looked like Philippe Luis has just unlocked that and he's been standing for them so far 20 years old So again, lose a room for improvement. We got the pace is a good finisher I think he's got the mentality of being a killer and slightly arrogant, but I think that suits him in a way And right now he's on an incredible run of goals per game ratio that is very impressive for such a young player So at some point I'm sure he would be coming to another top clubs in Europe Okay, your final one Terry is another new one to me. You're a might and then there's Place where they put even like a room. Yeah, it's 23 He's only ever been at Depple and they've been out then dull drums for years and years So he's come through their huge system and and everybody was talking about him last time been the best player in the second They've come up and he doesn't get in the game and I was thinking that's a shame I wanted to see this year am I and we didn't get to see him But then a Bamiang was scoring in every single game and they and wherever was playing in the attack They've spent a lot of money Depple when I say a little money 25 million euros Newtie promoted team and compared to wrestling sent in there and Malika that's a fortune I know it doesn't register on the on the graph in the Premier League But they saw that money for Depple to have loved Arunia. There's been injuries and he's come into the team And he was described as a strength footballer he's from the Canary Islands. He's from Les Palmas They have a certain style of football in Les part in the Canary Islands Of course. Yeah, the team players certain style of football the individual players play a certain style of football There's that element of street football for if you you come from the the Canary Islands And he's exactly that he's thrilling to watch pace power He can beat players easily So he's got back in the team now to the extent where you thinking they they can't leave him out He's really good. He was excellent other weekend Again, said let's come and reader did that game probably won the reasons I'd seen him before but concentrate fully on commentate And I think this kid's kid 23 is taken longer to get to the top He's got something special. So he could be a wild card in terms of something different for a club in the Premier League Canary Islands Wal-Bah, I'm going all the day Sense the best thing as well. Come to Morocco. Yeah I'm staying in Morocco by the way and let me come arise a bit of a I'm cheating a little bit because A lot of people listening to us and watching us Would know we'd know about him because of almost going to Chelsea last season But to give you an update he obviously left in France and Monaco he stayed in France and didn't leave Monaco And I think he was a little bit disappointed by that however He's been he's just picked up where he left it before he's been Probably the gambas midfielder outside of the PhD boys obviously so far this season And I think he's stuck he's still rising So whoever will get him from the Premier League because I think he will come to England either in January or next summer I think we'll be very lucky at 23. I mean Camardos everything whatever you ask him to do he does He's strong covers the ground really well very good technically never stops running just everything you want from a Modern midfielder that I can do it all and it was a little bit like you know to move in John in the summer Sorry, but the move will come very soon to a top club in England and I think you'd be a very good bye Definitely some names to look out for from La Liga and Liga Thank you very much time as quarter's up Julian. Thank you Terry Thanks for joining us on the transfer talk podcast But the biggest thanks of course Goes to you guys and girls wherever you've been watching or listening to the transfer talk podcast in your cars or on the train In the wind or in the rain What you're dreaming of saying this even in your house or in the shed. 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