Living the Dream

[MUSIC] >> Hi, I'm Athena from the Amiza Army. Welcome to the Amiza Army podcast for anyone who has not engaged with us before. We were started in the response to a Cooper 7 as a women's initiative to try to encourage women to stop and one-chbuna SRAJ as a host for the Kailim and for the hostages really all of Amiza. I do want to give a special shout out to Mr. Zach Pines, a Pinary Development. Mr. Zach, doesn't know me or RISKI, my partner in this, and he has been running our website completely pro bono since we started. We started off very small with really a very limited vision. Barak Hashem, the movement has really grown, and we keep giving him more and more to do. He is really a big force behind the 15,000-plus shamanasri as that we currently have. I'm very excited to introduce our speakers today, our guest, Mr. Donnie Fine, along with his wife and children, Mid Aliah in 2009 from Cedar Horsk, New York. Donnie started a real estate firm finding homes for Olim. His work is exciting and holy. He launched the Myths the Opportunity, a WhatsApp group that's apploised thousands of Shekal of daily, helping struggling families in Israel. It's like Hatsala for Tadaka. The group's inception, Myths the Opportunity has raised well over nine million Shekal and today has over 1,100 givers from around the world. Wow. Thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having me. I think what you guys are doing is absolutely amazing. As I told you when we first spoke, I feel very connected to Tequila and anything that can get people who maybe normally wouldn't otherwise Davin at all to do something is really something special, especially in these times that we're living in. I think I will tell you the name of the Meeta Army. We are. I was part of Tivasa Shem. I didn't grow up from that, but that was part of my life. We're all the army of a Shem. We're all together in this and it's beautiful. It's beautiful what you guys are doing. Thank you. Can you call it a little bit about yourself, your backgrounds and how you ended up in Israel? Sure. I mean, there's not enough time in this podcast for all that, but I'll try to keep it short. Based I grew up in Brooklyn, then we moved to Staten Island, where my family started keeping Shabbos when I was 12. I always went to Jewish schools. I never really connected to anything, even though I went to Ushiva after high school. It was just okay. I was Jewish. It happens to be when I was 18 years old. One of my best friends got killed in my car accident. I started wearing a census right away. We just had his 29th year of sight. For 29 years, I've been wearing a census. But there have been times where I was challenging for me to learn for short. Forget about learning. Just governing, getting to minion. It was very challenging. But over time, I was able to overcome those challenges. Thank God, Shem has blessed me here in Israel with incredible friends. They really encouraged me to get to minion three times a day. That's a big part of my life now. Also, always growing up, I grew up in a very Zionist's home. I have a lot of family here in Israel. My grandparents would come here and visit. My grandfather was wearing a belt in whatever organization they've involved in Europe, but in Akeva, whatever it was in Europe, even Zionism was in our blood. I can never imagine my life without Israel in it. Even when I lived in Seedrest, I was in a lurking to our house to do our wills. I basically said to my wife, "I don't really care about anything, but I just want to know I have life insurance, and I'm going to be buried in Israel." That's the only thing that I'm concerned about. Otherwise, whatever she decides, that's fine by me with the kids and whatever assets there are, that's really all I wanted. After September 11th, it was September 12th, 2001, and that was the first time I really said to my wife, "We need to see the writing on the wall that our grandparents didn't see, and we need to move to Israel." I think we had, I don't know, probably I wanted, I think we were pushing our second son in a stroller, and she's like, "Look, she's like, "yeah, that's not happening." Many, many stories of a struggle protest since he had to just run it happen nine years later, in the end of 2008, actually. She finally said that, "If you could sell our house and see the earth, "I'll make Alia." And shortly after that, she was five months pregnant with her fourth son, and I sold the house, been a month later, I said to her, and if you know the real estate market, and back then, it wasn't great. People's houses were sitting on the market for a long time, and I said to her, "Sold the house," and she's like, "Oh gosh." But the funniest thing is, really, is that we went through the whole process. We did Alia, we came here, but when we were getting out of the plane, on the Neffers-Beneffers flight, in August 18th, 2009, where I fast got up and spoke, and he said, "To the fine, so I've been planning this to the five years, "to the shorts, who just decided last week to make Alia, "my wife looked at me, she's like five years." I'm like, "Yeah." You didn't know it, but I was ready to make Alia. I had all the paperwork done, everything done. - Oh, wow. - There's a report, a queen for her to say yes, so that we could just also, when I wasn't in Israel at that time, my kind of like now that we're in a war, and my heart is like in pieces, again, she'll have to just saying it. Back then, that's how I felt not being in Israel. I had to be here. So, that's, you know, in a nutshell, that's how I got here, and we came to run up the Chema Shredaway. I wanted my vision of coming to Israel, admittedly it was a little bit naive, was to go to your bedroom, go to the north, have a farm, have a piece of land, build a house. That's as real a toy, I could tell you, that's a dream. It's not really reality, it's really difficult, and it sounds beautiful, but it's much more difficult to set them done. So, my wife said, "If we're going to Israel, come to run up the Chema, "should we have friends here?" And we came here, and at the beginning it was really challenging. I'm not gonna lie, but we stuck it through. It's been 15 years now, God willing, actually next week, we'll have our 15th Alia anniversary, and I could tell you that, from my perspective, I think one time of all the challenges that we had, I think one time I said, maybe we should go back, but it wasn't like a serious thing. My wife cried for the first year that we were here, and now 15 years later, she has no desire to ever leave Israel. She has no desire to go visit America, her friends want to come visit, more than welcome to stay here. We are playing in a room in our house for visitors, but she has no desire to go back, and my kids are doing well, also, which is also a lot of fun. - Amazing. It's funny, 'cause I actually said to my husband, I told him that I was gonna be interviewing someone who's a real estate agent, and I said, "This is part of a show's plan. "I'm telling you this is like a piece "in our journey to Israel." During COVID, for about six weeks, we've really talked about it, and then he stopped. And now I keep talking about it. I'm like, okay, look, it's not if it's when, and I really hope that's the case. I actually was, I got to sit in on a kind of like a more intimate studying with Mrs. Jen Ehrlich. She came to work more, and I got, I was there when she was talking to a group of teachers, and at the end, one of the teachers said, "Can you give us a brother?" And the brother she gave was that you should all merit to live in Israel, and if you don't want to, you should want to. And I took that brother with a lot of intensity, and I keep telling him about him, okay, like, you know, we live in a community that's beautiful of our Hashem, and some people around those keep extending their homes, and putting more, and I'm like, wait, we need to focus on saving to move. Like we need to talk about that. And I'm excited that I'm like, this is just, this connection is important, I think. I think there's a reason for this. So. Yeah, well, I'm happy. - Hi, Bonn and me. - Yeah, it's, I'm happy, I'm happy to help, I'm happy to help anybody that makes Alia as a realtor. I didn't come to Israel, and I wasn't a realtor when I first came here. I was in the insurance business. - Mm-hmm. - I was here having a counting background, and I went to insurance, and real estate kind of fell into my lap. I'm gonna say in 2012, 2013, and but then I wasn't selling homes then. It was just, I was kind of bringing investors to Israel to real estate deals, but when people always said to me, you should become realtor. Like, I don't like selling things, I don't wanna sell anything. So, and when COVID started really at the beginning, it was right away at the beginning. I had another job, and I found myself working from home, and a few people called me, they're like, "Dani, can you help me find a home in Israel?" And the first person called, I said them to a friend who was a realtor, a second person, I said another friend who was a realtor. The third person, me and my wife were driving to Jerusalem, if you know the road 38, it's the road from Bechema to take you to Jerusalem, to the one, which gets to Jerusalem. And I said to her, I said, "You know, I think Hashem is trying to give me a sign, and I'm gonna become a realtor." And I said to right away, I'm not gonna be a regular realtor here. My goal here is literally to help people make Alia, people that are out of Israel to find homes in Israel. I know there's historically the Israel real estate or realtors don't have the best rep so I've said right away I'm going to be 100% transparent. I'm going to be different than everybody else. I'm not going to do stick. It's just going to be straight straight straight. Anybody who wants a home here, I'm going to help them and the money, if it comes, great, if it doesn't, great. Almost four years, four or five years later, eventually I took on a partner, Rob Ernst, he made Alia think like five years ago, four years ago. Ever since then, we both have the same thing. We don't talk about the money. We talk about how we're helping people make Alia. The money is like that just happens to be, but that's really not our focus. I become a friend of all my clients. My biggest challenge is once people do make Alia is, okay, now we've been talking for the last, I don't know, three or six months a year, whatever it is, we've cried together. It gets emotional. When people make Alia, it's emotional. Even if people are here by the way, we help a lot of people that have already made Alia on their here. They've been renting and they want to buy. Besides, it's the real estate market here, it's totally different than in America. It's an emotional journey. I cry with them. I share the emotions with them so they finally do get the keys to the house. It's like, okay, now we're kind of breaking up. We save friends, but how do we mean? They want to. I want to talk every day. I can't talk to everybody every day. I do my best and for all the seven clients, usually they become my friends and it's a family. It's really, it's become a family. I have to say I can't think of anything better that I could be doing, that I would want to be doing. I feel incredibly blessed to be in this position to be doing it. Kind of backshocking a little bit. One of the things we're trying to do is hear from people who were in Israel during October 7th, and especially people who have family members who are serving the idea of kind of hear what your experience looked like. You can share that with us a little bit. Sure. So my experience about October 7th actually happens Arabian Kipper. My son is in Ghibati, in the Ghibati Brigade, which is a fighting unit. They unfortunately lost a lot of soldiers since October 7th, but my son, he trained, he actually got married five months before he drafted. So he's in Ghibati, he's married and it's not easy for a married guy to be in the army. He's away a week, when you're in training, it could be, I think it was like two, three weeks at a time. It's not, my daughter was incredible. She's really strong, but it's just not easy. So I have a lot of respect for him. Arabian Kipper, my son, comes over to me. And he always had his antennas on what's going on in the army outside of what he's actually doing. He actually, now he's in intelligence. That's really where he wants to be. And he said to me, Arabian Kipper, "Obsis, it's going to be a war." And I was just like, "Why do you say that? What do you think? What's going to be?" And he goes, "Just trust me, it's going to be a war. Get the mom out of writing." So I put some food in the mom's, some drinks, some water, Arabian Kipper, Arabian Kipper came. It's beautiful here in Israel, in Kipper and nothing. So I was like, and I really, I should have done it, I don't even think about it again. Some pastoral morning, I wake up. I'm a pretty early riser. And I woke up and I, right away, I heard stuff outside, went to my window. I came actually right to this behind that curtain is a balcony that, it's an unobstructed view of a park and it kind of like sound travels. We're not so far from Gaza, we're in Bait-Jemish, where I think we're incredibly safe. But we hear noise even today. I hear airplanes going back and forth all the time. So I heard stuff. And it felt much earlier. They say that it started at like 630. But I feel like it was a lot earlier. But anyway, and I said, some of the kid was right. I didn't know. So I don't know how we knew. He just, like I said, he has in the 10th is up. He hears what people say. He knew what was going on. He really has to finger on his pulse. What goes on in the IDF and the Israel politics. And he knew. He didn't know what who went how, but he knew something was brewing. And I went inside. I came inside to get a deep breath. Said a little prayer to our shan. Please keep us safe. I knew I had to get to short. So really very few things stopped me from getting some in these days. And I said to my, I went downstairs. Usually don't wake up my wife when I go to short. But this time I walk her up. I said I'm just starting, you know, I think something's going to happen. I don't think I used the word word. I don't really scare her. But she can hear it. And I said, I said, something's going on. If you hear a siren, just go to the mom. It's ready. So she's like, uh, I went back to sleep. I went to shul. And as soon as I got, as I'm walking to shul, I'm seeing rockets, hearing stuff. And I'm just like, I can't believe I'm walking to shul. But I'm going to shul. I'm going to die because that's like, what am I going to sit home? And like, you're not going to shul have a mom out. Why do I? What am I going to do at home? So like in our minds, we couldn't have imagined what was going on. And worst. Like in the 15 years that I'm here, bitch, I'm just, I think it's two sirens. So our worst will have a siren. And what are the mom out? And nothing will happen. That's the worst. There's a mom out in shul. Got to shul and happens to be my brother-in-law bought me chus and gracious. He surprised me. And the rabbi had chus and Torah. I was right here or the other way around. But everything was. And throughout through shul, through dominating, we had to go in the internet in the mambad. And we see the rabbi of our shul, Rabbi Gautley. He has two sons and a son-in-law. And they were at least one of them. I know it was with us. They picked them up. He was picked up. He was taken away. We had no clue what was going on. I think people in America, when I understand new, better than us in Israel, because you had non-Jewish security or whatever we were going to tell you what was going on. But we didn't really know. And we just kept them dominating. And the rabbi was really inspiring. And every time somebody something changed, we should go home. Should we go home? No, we're going to stay in shul until the end. In the middle of the rabbi's Aliyah, there was a siren literally in the middle of the Baratatash. And we had to go. It was just so crazy. So then after dominating, we went home and again, we just know that there were cars zooming around. We didn't know what was going on. My son at that time, so a crazy story for us personally. I give my daughter a lot of credit two weeks before Sook Sukot, my son, actually left the rabbi unit, left the fighting unit. And at that point, because he wanted to switch to intelligence, at that point, he was a job, meaning he was basically a chef on his base for a short period of time. And we credit my daughter, my daughter, for saving his life, like he wasn't taken that day to fight. And he actually, after October 7th for a few months, he actually begged his, his method, his commander to let him go back in because he wanted to, he said to me, you imagine you're, you're 21 year old, son, you're 20 year old, son, saying this to you, Abba, I'm a trained killer. I have to go, I have to go into Gaza. Like that's what he trained for. This is the moment he was waiting for. He wanted so bad to fight for the country, for us to keep us safe. And they wouldn't let him, found out, you know, and as I said, for a lot of Givanti soldiers, I'm no longer with us. So I know what would have happened with my son, Borghashem, his own, and unfortunately I have friends who have lost sons and my heart is in pieces for them. And yeah, so that was our experience on October 7th. Later in the day, my, we were reading, we were actually invited out for lunch to a friend. And my wife decided to stay home. I think she wasn't feeling well. The new shoes will never stick out. I took my boys to a friend. He was coming home from, you know, it's a historic, like really hard to have lunch by somebody, because he never know. He's in another show. I'm in one show. So we didn't know when to go to his house. So I kept them like going outside and checking. And he said he goes, he goes, he goes, "Dani, there's another guy in his show that was part of Madsala who got intel that what had happened." He goes, "I can't say what happened. I can't, the words can't come out of my mouth." But whatever you're envisioning that happened, it's 100 times worse. I didn't know what to make of that. So until, until after the artificial version, and we had its turn off on the Viennual Club, what was going on? We just knew that we just knew there were sirens, there were there were fighter planes, there were bombs, it was really a day that you want to forget but you'll never forget. Yeah, where we lived also we had no idea. I wasn't in show, or when the rough spoke, but my husband told me that he basically was like something, there was a terrorist attack in his well. So as terrible as that is, you're thinking like 50 people, right? Right. And he said still celebrate some clustered or so until until he had to was over. Yeah. He did not know. And then you can't cannot absorb the information in his incomprehensible. So today is actually the anniversary of the Sparrow bombing. Oh really? You know, and I can't, I mean, compared to what happened on October 7th, but still I I how do people get past it? I don't I don't know, I can't. It's you know, and you're so many stories of miracles. I just read a story about a woman went into the pizza shop with her friend, and her friend said, it's pizza doesn't look so good. Let's see. They literally they left the they left the store. They were at the corner of the street all of a sudden. How? Wow. So how many sense you have currently serving in the idea? So, bro, I'm at four boys 24, 22 19 and 15. My 24 year old is out of the army who works in construction in Jerusalem. My 22 year old is still in the army. He's got a I think thing today. He said they had like 285 days left. So they they count the days. So it's it's it's like I mean, it's less less than it is less than a year left, which is which is exciting. But like who would have thought when he entered the army that he would be so that to be in the army during a war, a major full of going out war. And then my 19 year old is is about to draft. So I'll have two sums in the army. And then my 15 year old, you know, he's he's watching it. He's doing incredible stuff on his own. He's a real he's he's become like a used influencer online and he's doing he's fighting his own fight. Wow. Okay. With with the tools that a 15 year old has to fight. That's impressive. Yeah. No, do you feel like do you so it's your your said your son is not in combat at this point? No, he's in he's in a tunnel. So he does is he's on base. He's on the z-king base, which is which is the closest base that you can be in next to Gaza. So for example, just to just to make it real for you and like understand the proximity. I say him so when the siren goes off how long do you have to get to a bomb shelter? He says negative 15 seconds. He's hearing the siren after the bomb already holds. Wow. So what's it like as a parent? You know, the emotional roller coaster of all this. Right. So when we talk about the interview, I said to share my wife one because the truth is my wife is, I'll be honest, it's it's not easy. She worries about my son. She worries about all the soldiers. Sometimes she I have to hold her sometimes from anxiety so that she's not shaking. It's it's it's it's it's uncontrollable. And I believe that's that's the psychological warfare. There's there's a lot of there's a lot of people in this country. It's the sign that more so many people are suffering and that like that in that regard that that like you hear you're not going to hear about on the news but after the war, it's a shaman should be over very soon. It's going to be something that's going to have the series to be addressed in this country as people really suffer. For myself, I take a different approach. I have never felt stronger to air to Israel. I have never felt stronger to Hashem. I see miracles every single day. I feel the miracles and for me it's the war has even though I was connected before I I feel like I'm so blessed to be here in Israel at this time. You know and I'll be honest, I have a hard time the whole concept of machia and that but I mean if there's if there was every time somebody said to me recently, machia will come when two things happen either we're so low and and you know that's the only way to save us or we've earned it. At this point I think we're both we the Jewish people have become I don't not judging but I'm not saying this is like in a weird way but we've come to a certain level so we need machia but also we've earned it. We we earned it through the all the Torah that's being learned through all the chesa that's being done before tober 7th but especially since October 7th we've earned it. I don't think I don't think no generation has gone through something like this before that we're going through and God won't miss a shaman's dish about we have two more days it's gonna be the greatest day of some stuff. Yeah I mean I hope so okay well so is there anything that people can do for you or your family or the other families with Khylin that means a lot to you? What helps you or your way? So there are two things number one is of course governing I see the Jewish people are governing St. Helm it's it's unbelievable the your your Amida army like things like that are just they're popping up a local place and it's just it's so inspiring to see and hear about it it's incredible. One thing that I because I run the the Mitzvah opportunity group and basically what happened was on October 8th I got a phone call from a mom she was on she was on the Mitzvah opportunity group that's been in existence since 2017 so I've been raising and it focused on stroke it focuses on struggling families in Israel the ones who fall through the cracks the ones who you're not going to see on these fun raising campaigns online why because they don't have anybody to create a campaign for them they have no family they have nothing they're the four of the board it's it's and there's there's a lot of them in Israel unfortunately so October 8th again a phone call from mom my my son is in whatever unit and his and his and his unit needs helmets whatever it was like 40 50 helmets can you raise money for it and I was like why would why would I do that why is the IDF not and I'm giving it to that why how you called me and she's like well the IDF is not giving it and I remember I was sitting next wife and I just said to her like I guess I got I gotta do this I don't know I don't know where this is leading but I'm feeling this is going to be the this is not just going to be one request this is going to be I so unlike as long as this war is is happening this is how it's going to be so I said okay I'm I'm all in on the IDF and I kind of like push the struggling families aside I use whatever money I had to to help them in the in I would just a WhatsApp group for now in organization not a large organization I don't go out fundraising I don't I don't I don't ask people for money if you're not on the group you probably you're not going to hear from me asking me for money we raised close to a hundred one and a half million dollars in a month for their I will laundry list of of raises that we that we raised for all different types of IDF needs equipment uniforms helmets boots everything everybody else does you know people like my friend Yaki Oaksaq started his organization called boots for Israel he's brought in like 50,000 pairs of boots to Israel and there's so many organizations so we do it on a small scale one you need some boots we're going to get them 20,000 shackles that's that's what we do so if I could ask people I feel like it's it's been a long time it's been a lot of money that has been spent on the IDF keep keep giving because the war is still going on not only is the war still going on it's going on just as much as it was in October we kind of got used to it we can't get used to it the soldiers aren't getting used to it things might be a scene be or seem a little bit more organized but that money is still needed for whatever reason should the idea provided are they providing it they say they're providing it i'm not judging it's kind of like a lot of times and I have conversations with rabbis all the time about struggling families should I raise money for this family should now the end of the day the family needs to pay rent they need to buy food whether the father has a job or not whether the the he's doing the right thing or not the kids shouldn't suffer because of the parents bad decisions that's often the answer I get from my wife's same thing here units need money for so please keep on giving because the support from the from from people outside of Israel number one it keeps us connected I'm not just talking about barbacus barb the barbacus are fantastic everybody's amazing and they're cool so people love to give the barbacus the pizza and a friend uh surely leaver he's pizza like like like like non stop to so it's it's incredible and it's needed but the other the smaller things the flashlights the the drone drones. They're needed, they're still needed, they're saving lives like you can't even imagine. Drones are saving lives. A lot of the deaths that have happened in the IDF happened because soldiers went into a building and they didn't know what they were getting themselves into because if they had a drone, they could send the drone in first. I'm not an expert. My claim to be an expert, people might argue with me. Send the drone in first and they could see what's in the building. These things are needed. Prior, and keep giving to the idea of learning Torah and honor of soldiers is also huge, huge. I think that some of you said was really profound. I think that we, especially in America, need to keep remembering this or not in people not living in Israel or in communities that have a lot of enlistment. But I think we are seeing that people, like it's almost old news about the high-alim serving. It's nothing's changed and it's still intense and life threatening. I think that's really important. And I think that's something we're trying to, don't mean the army is like completely virtual, right? I say it's like cyber silence. Like we send stuff out. We don't hear anything. And we just don't know that our numbers are going out for the website. And once in a while, I get some feedback, but I think that's like something we're trying to keep maintain. Like nothing has gotten better. Nothing. Right? Like we're still finding for our lives. It's really important. We need the barriers today just as much as we did that. It's funny. I guess you don't have to, like when I give money to a group to a, or I have to end them every month, I send out to my group, an accounting of how much money we raise and what the money is going for. You can't do that, but kind of you can. You know, we all know the stories, prayers or answers. I sham hears the prayers. He puts them in the box and he give puts them out when they're needed. Your your amidas that I sham loves so much is going to these prayers when when a soldier is injured or soldier shirt. You can't say it like you can't put a figure on it, but you can say like our prayers will help that soldier can help that soldier. And it's continue what you guys are doing. We're we're we're fans you so we're not quitting. I am when I was talking to you before the interview you mentioned or and I think at the beginning you also said that when I say that means that's very important to you. I'm curious that's right any one brah that really speaks to you and why. So on a personal level coming as I mentioned before coming to Israel as much as I wanted to be here. It was challenging one of the ways that it was challenging was pernasse wise. In a big way really struggled for a long time and people always and that's the biggest reason that people tell me that they won't make all that's Chris the point. I'm not getting getting into my theories about that but on a personal level I could honestly tell you that once I learned what gratitude was to a sham my life changed. I didn't know nobody told me in school there are a couple things that I'm kind of like upset about that nobody told me in school. It can also be my fault that I don't know anything in school but be tall home and gratitude towards a sham. So now fast forward a few years I've been working on this and I really believe the fact that I've been saying I say to you lot to a dot every morning. And it's you thinking as sham for all the things that that he's given you or hasn't given you all the challenges that you have or don't have all the you know every you're thinking as sham for everything. And modem for me is the is the is the biggest I think it was probably wall of stinger gave this advice but I'm not sure that before you say modem modem is you're praising hasham for for what he does for the me seemingly flaws and you're going to tell over what he does I really I also really believe that a person should. If something happens right always come home and tell my wife a shot of about the stories I have a watch up group with myself on my WhatsApp reminding myself about these these stories because if you if you have your eyes open you're seeing hasham in front of you all the time so I take the moment before I say modem and I think and I try to think asham every time three times a day. The shot was four times a day for for thankful for for things that that I have it could be. We silly it could be anything like basic things things that I guess maybe as an adult I realize the ability to breathe but it's not just the ability to breathe the ability to to have to be mindful to know to breathe the ability to the that hasham gave you air to read it just keeps going deeper and deeper and deeper all these things. That you have a kronasa that hasham gave you the sacred the the the the the the the dast to to know how to make a kronasa that hasham gave you the opportunity to have a kronasa that you know in real state guys there's no sometimes there's no deals. The deals the fact that you have that they may not be closing the thing hasham they have opportunity that so then and then you can go and praise hasham right so I I really connect. With I can't with other brothers also but if I could pick one I would say it's it's it's it's it's my name that's really beautiful. Somebody actually recently told me and she was she was into someone someone's speaking about how to deal with jealousy and the the lecture said that if you if you have several children and one of your kids like no matter what you give them they always a pretty always think you like that dollars. Present there was thank you so much then you have the kid you got them the fifty dollar Lego set and they're not happy. She said naturally you just want to give more to the kid who's happy and like and she said it's a mirror for a relationship with us. And if we walk around thinking a shem it opens up become a plea for more brother so it's very powerful. I'm one of the podcasts that I heard I when I run I listen to podcasts walk some of them are about business and some of them are you know meaningful people podcasts and that's not business but you get to learn and I don't want to the first part I remember who they interviewed and like you said about a cleat you have to make yourself a cleat for us that guy said the analogy was he owns a store and he was making hundred thousand dollars but he wanted to make a million dollars. With that one store he wasn't making a million dollars no matter what he did so he had to open up more stores and then he made a million dollars so he made himself into a plea to make that million dollars and he just grew from there so the more stores you open the more you make yourself a cleat for brother I should want to give us. Shem did put us on the earth really to suffer yeah okay we suffer sometimes where we think it's suffering but it's really not suffering it's just shem putting himself in front of us he's making where we think perceives suffering is shem saying okay I want you to dive into me I want your to feel so that that's why if that's what it takes to get you to to to to to dive into me that's that's what I'm going to do to you so you know we don't want to be in that position but we should always focus on being a cleat for for brother and I think one of the ways to is for making yourself into a cleat for for brother is is gratitude and increasing raising has some recognizing that it's it's all from him. Thank you. Before we wrap up one more question you already shared the story of your son is there are any other stories I come to mind that perhaps aren't famous with about miracles that are that you're seeing or hearing about. I think that's something also that there's like this real burnout because we're just like people feel like they're dominating downing they don't really see results which it's not all too high we don't have anything to share to help. So there's a lot of stories and my memory if I would look back at my WhatsApp group it's all on there. The story that really sticks out was a friend of mine because it was kind of personal and I know the guy so really sticks out we we board helmets for a friend of mine sons unit is one of the most elite units. And they made a video thanking me it's great and I listened to the group and you don't really realize these these helmets yet it's they're there to save these soldiers lives they went into a building and the building collapsed and a brick fell right onto his helmet. If he was wearing standard army issue helmets it would have the brick would have cracked the helmet practice skull and I don't want to say what might have happened after that the helmet stuff everything that we paid for whenever I even now like on the other side of this afternoon we buy a lot of pairs of filling so they'll got to compliment say how much of the filling looks on the price unlike. It's not that's not what we're buying for you we're buying you the best film if we're buying you to fill in we're buying you the best filling so I always wanted to get the best equipment so so we got him the helmet and the helmet he had a dent in it yet here I get some stitches on his head but he literally credited that helmet that we bought him for saving his life. I always that was really special that you don't think the point is that you don't realize what what you're doing how what impact. they can have on the soldiers. There's just a lot of stories like that. That's definitely one that sticks out of my mind. A lot of, we've sent a lot of beef jerky to the soldiers and they sent me messages without your donation of beef jerky, we would be in Gaza fighting and have no food. - Wow. - I pray to Antonogorik and his wife have put together an incredible organization where they make, they make it out of their house. And since October 7th, they've been sending hens and tons of beef jerky to soldiers. And it's never ending. It's never ending. The stories are never ending. One day, I really will write a book about all this about not just the soldiers that we've helped but also the families that we've talked about and it's our tourney group. - It sounds like you're involved with a lot of amazing work and that you're, I definitely have this zealous envy that I feel like everyone is not in Israel as missing out and not only seeing the miracles close hands but also the sense of like, "Achtos." As much as there is, I think in my community, still at the same time, we're not having to step up in the same way and it's really beautiful and inspiring what Amir's role is capable of. - I wanna give a shout out to the Lakewood community because since October 7th, I've actually, and you have to realize I come from a very modern Orthodox background. I was never in Lakewood in my life. I never had reason to go there. To me, it was just like, while I ever go there, I'm not a Shiva guy, never had it. I got connected with these, I call them the Lakewood ladies. I'm not gonna say their names now, 'cause they may kill me, grow, but you may know them. But since October, they've been super women. We've brought in hundreds of duchobags of equipment and gear, not just for the soldiers, but for mothers of soldiers, wives of soldiers. They are just non-stop raising money and doing projects. There's a woman here, Chai Rifke Davis, who she lives in Batar. She's like, I call her the female Chai Grousher. She, what she's doing is literally non-stop, helping, helping, helping, doing whatever she can. And it's just unbelievable. That comes from your community. And that's something that I really never, I'll be honest, I never would have expected as a guy who grew up in Stenau, and went to Zionist schools, went to Monaco, Orthodox schools. You know, you always look at the Ashibish community as not really helping Israel, not, you know, okay, the company is even that's it, but I have a whole new appreciation for your community now. And that's part of the office. That's like, that's what this for did. I never knew before. And I think that's incredible. - Wow, yeah. Supply, we need to keep remembering all this, 'cause there's, you know, the media isn't focusing on that. So I think we need to really, we need to talk about it amongst ourselves. - Yeah. - I just wanna thank you, Mr. Fein, for your time and for sharing your stories. I think this is gonna be a really powerful podcast. And Hashem should protect your family and your son serving in all the island. And hopefully we'll all be joining you soon. - That's right, Tashaam. I will love to see all of you in Erich Israel. You said before how you're a jealous and jealous of the way out living. And I just, you know, it's, I appreciate that a lot. And you should, you should always be blessed to have that connection. I should have to give you the clarity to be connected to Erich Israel, to be connected to Khassad and continue what you're doing with the Amida Army. Like I said, it's mind blowing. I hope you get a lot more people to say, to say, to Fila and Amida. And it's amazing. And thank you for having me here. It's really a customer. - Okay, thank you. We're gonna send you a message.