The podcast discusses the significance of learning from diverse fields to gain insights into human behavior, decision-making, and financial matters. It emphasizes the idea that understanding behavior across different disciplines, such as psychology, sociology, and history, is crucial for comprehending money and investing effectively. Through examples like the growth patterns of goldfish in different environments and the consequences of rapid business growth, the podcast highlights how lessons from various scientific fields can be applied to finance and investing. By connecting concepts from unrelated fields, individuals can uncover fundamental truths about how the world operates. The narrative underscores the value of exploring beyond one's field of expertise to gain a broader perspective and deeper understanding of complex systems and behaviors, ultimately bringing one closer to the truth.
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Welcome back to the podcast. This is episode 9. This episode really has very little to
do with money or investing, but in some ways it has everything to do with money and investing,
and that's the little riddle that I want to unpack today. Many years ago, I got this
fascinating email. It was from Patrick O'Shaughnessy. Many of you will know who he is. He has a wonderful
collection of podcasts himself, and about a decade ago, he had a book club where he would
do book reviews, book recommendations, and he would email them out to his friends and
his subscribers. And I got an email from Patrick. The subject line of the email was the best
investing books of 2013, and the first line of the email really took me aback, and I loved
it. The first line of the email was, "Since it is better to read around your field rather
than in your field, there are no investing books on this list." I just thought that was
such a perfect way to phrase an idea that I and many other people have long held, which
is that most fields that you're studying are fields of behavior. You're studying how
people make decisions and how people summarize things like risk and greed and fear and uncertainty
and scarcity. You're trying to figure out how those fields work. And since all those
fields are about behavior, there are so many things you can learn from one field that teaches
you something very important about another field. Money and investing in finance fits
so easily into this category. And I've often believed that if you are only looking at money
and investing and finance through the lens of finance or economics, you're missing 90%
of what is important out there. And there are so many things you can learn about money.
If you are looking through the lens of psychology and sociology and history and politics and
biology and chemistry and military history and political science, all these fields that
have nothing to do with money are actually just teaching you something about behavior.
And when you realize that money is just a behavioral topic, you realize how much you
can learn so many important things you can learn about money by looking through the lens
of another field. If you find something that is true in more than one field, you've probably
uncovered something that is particularly important. And the more fields that it shows up in, the
more likely it is to be a fundamental and recurring driver of just how the world works.
Joseph Tussman, who was a UC Berkeley philosophy professor, he wrote in the 1960s that quote,
"What the pupil must learn, if he learns anything, is that the world would do most of the work
for you, provided you cooperate with it by identifying how it really works and aligning
with those realities." What could be more obvious than that? Just figure out how the
world works and align with those realities. This is something that I've always tried to
do with my writing and my thinking. And just as I'm trying to figure out the world for
myself is I've always been interested in investing and money and finance. But it wasn't
until I started focusing most of my reading and my research on fields that I had nothing
to do with investing and nothing to do with finance that I felt like I could start putting
together the really big lessons and rules and laws that dictated how people behave.
And that I think is when I became a smarter and more informed investor. The best way to
learn how the world works is to realize how connected everything is. We're usually taught
in school as if math is math and chemistry is chemistry. Each field is siloed off into
its own department and it's focused on its own truth. But learning like that is only
useful in academia. The real world has no silos. The big learning comes when you start
to connect the dots from one field to the next. And once you do, you realize that those
connections between fields are infinite. They are never ending. That the world is all just
one big web. It's just a big web of how the world works. Let me tell you a story that
connects two things in a really interesting way. Take two groups of identical baby goldfish.
One in abnormally cold water and put the other in abnormally warm water. The goldfish who
are living in cold water will grow slower than normal while those who are in the warm
water will grow faster than normal. Then if you put both groups back in regular temperature
water, they will eventually converge to become normal full size adults. But then the magic
happens. The fish that had the slow down growth in the early days go on to live 30% longer
than average. And the fish with artificial supercharged growth that were in the warm
water go on to die 15% earlier than average. That's what a group of biologists from the
University of Glasgow found many years ago. And I've always found this study so interesting.
The cause of this is not complicated. The supercharged growth can cause permanent tissue
damage, and it may only be achieved by diversion of resources away from maintenance and repair
of damaged cells. While the slow down growth, the fish in the cold water, the opposite happens.
And there was an increased allocation to maintenance and repair when they were growing and their
cells were replicating. The authors of the study, they said, quote, you might well expect
that a machine built in haste will fail quicker than one put together carefully and methodically.
And our study suggests that this might be true for bodies as well. The same thing has been
found in humans and in birds and in rats. And isn't the same in business. Shemath Palahapatiya,
the investor, he once said that however fast your business grows, that's the half life
for how quickly it can be destroyed. So many companies that were flush with cheap money
from previous years are learning this right now. Every business in every industry has
a natural growth rate. And when you push beyond it, and you go for short term supercharged
growth, that it comes at the cost of long term quality and eventually survival. So look,
when the limits of fast growth impact goldfish and rats, the same way it limits tech companies,
you know you found something that is essential to how the world works and will continue working
in the future. Just like Patrick taught me a decade ago, this might sound crazy, but
once you understand the basic principles of your profession, you might gain more expertise
by reading around your field rather than within your field. Connecting the dots between fields
helps you uncover the most powerful forces that guide how the world works, which can
be so much more important than the little new detail that's hyper specific to your
profession. And if you look around hard enough, there are so many of these dots to connect.
I have so many of these to share, I want to share one of my other favorite ones. Most
young tree saplings spend their early decades of life under the shade of their mother's
canopy. Limited sunlight means that they grow slowly. Slow growth of course leads to dense,
hard wood. But something interesting happens if you plant a tree out in an open field.
Free from the shade of bigger trees, the sapling gorges on sunlight and it grows really fast.
Fast growth leads to soft, airy wood that doesn't have time to densify. And soft, airy wood is
a breeding ground for fungus and disease and ultimately a short life. There's an author
named Peter Woebelin who writes quote, "A tree that grows quickly rots quickly and therefore
never has a chance to grow old." Which isn't that exactly how it works in business and
investing to? There is a graveyard of companies and investors who try to grow too fast, attempting
to reap a decade's worth of rewards in a year or less, learning the hard way that capitalism
does not like it when you try to use a cheat code. That's what's happened so clearly over
the last couple years. I honestly can never get enough of these little lessons and rules
from one field that teach you about another field. And I have so many others that I want
to share with you right now. I'm just going to spend a brief amount of time on each one.
But I'm going to go through a little list of my favorite learnings from one field that
teach you about something else. In evolution there is a rule called Mueller's Ratchet.
It says that dangerous mutations tend to pile up when there is no genetic recombination,
ultimately leading to extinction. This is why so few species reproduce asexually. In
the absence of variety, bad ideas tend to stick around, which is also exactly what happens
in closed societies and large corporations. In astronomy there is something called the
Sagan standard. It says that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence in equal
proportion. As a corollary, extraordinary claims require extraordinary scrutiny. Sagan
used it as a standard to measure whether extraterrestrials were communicating with Earth, but it applies
to almost any field where people get attention and recognition and money for discovering
something new. In linguistics there is something called Zip's Law. It says that there is a
heavy power law distribution in the words that people use with the most common word,
which is the, being used twice as often as the second most common word, which is of,
which is used twice as often as the third most common word, which is and, and it keeps
on going down like that. There are something like 180,000 English words, but fewer than
200 of them make up half the words that people speak and write. So look, even in a massively
diversified set, a tiny little handful of things make up the majority of occurrences.
And it is the exact same in business and investing. Tales drive everything and it is so easy to
underestimate how important just a few companies and a few investing periods of time and a few
products can be to your longterm success.
This next one comes from the field of vaccines. Derek Thompson of the Atlantic once told me,
money is more of a vaccine than a performance enhancing drug. It can prevent a lot of misery,
but it won't necessarily make you happier. I love that one. In complexity science there
is something called a emergence. It's when two plus two equals 10 more or less. I'll
give you a little example. Take a little bit of cold air from the North. And that's no
big deal. Take a little warm breeze from the South. And that's pretty pleasant. But when
those two things mix over Missouri, you get a tornado.
The same thing happens in careers when someone with a few mediocre skills mixed together at
the right time becomes multiple times more successful than someone who was an expert
in just one thing. In anatomy, there's something called Wolf's Law. It says that bones will
adapt to pressure by becoming stronger or a lack of pressure by becoming weaker. So
you never really know something's maximum strength because it's capable of adapting
to whatever you throw at it. In astrophysics, there's something called Benford's Law of
Controversy. It says that passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information
available. So when given the opportunity to fill information gaps with rumor and theory
and imagination, people cling to what they want to believe to be true, which tends to
be something that they are passionate about. The real world, though, is often very boring.
In pharmacology, there's something called the Art Schultz Rule. It states that for every
substance, small doses stimulate, moderate doses inhibit, and large doses kill. This
is just a loose rule. It's not a law, but it applies to so many other things, including
debt, in ambition, and networking, and exercise, and caution, and analysis. A lot of problems
come from doing the right thing, just in the wrong dosage. In biology, there's something
called absorption rates. There is a natural limit to how fast something can grow, governed
by how fast it can absorb certain nutrients. But different organisms have massively different
absorption rates, despite being delivered nutrients at the same rate, so you can get
vastly different outcomes despite feeding something the same nutrients. It's the same
with education, and career success, and social networks. Some people are primed to absorb
much more than others, even when they are part of the same system. In physics, there's something
called Galilean relativity. It says that all physical laws work when you're moving the
same way they do when you are at rest, which gives two people watching an event different
perspectives of what happened. If I'm on an elevator and I throw a ball in the air,
to me the ball only rises a few feet. If you're watching me ride up in an elevator
and you see me throw a ball in the air, to you it looks like the ball is traveling faster
and higher than I saw it. Neither of our views is right or wrong, it's just relative to
another. So to fully understand what's happening in any system, you have to see it from two
perspectives, as an insider and as an outsider. In statistics, there is something called stationarity.
It's an assumption that the past is a statistical guide to the future, based on the idea that
the big forces that impact a system don't change over time. If you want to know how
tall to build a levy, look at the last hundred years of flood data and assume that the next
hundred years will be the same. Stationarity is a wonderful, science-based concept that
works right up to the point that it doesn't. It is a major driver of what matters in economics
and politics. Scott Sagan, a professor at Stanford, he says things that have never happened before
happen all the time. In philosophy, there is something called Leibniz's worlds. It says
that there are infinite possible worlds. We just happen to live in this one. Some ideas
hold true in all possible versions of the world, while others would only work in this
specific iteration. Neval Ravikant has this saying that I love. He says, "In a thousand
parallel universes, you want to be wealthy in 999 of them. You don't want to be wealthy
in the 50 of them where you got lucky. I want to live in a way that if my life played out
a thousand times, Neval is successful 999 times." In evolutionary biology, there is
something called Orgel's Rule. It says, "Evolution is cleverer than you are." Whenever
a critic says, "Evolution could never do that," they usually just lack imagination.
When trillions and trillions of organisms among millions of species interact for billions
of years, the results could be indistinguishable from magic. And it is the same, I think, with
technology and a lot of other social trends. In sociology, there is something called the
Tocqueville Paradox. It says, "People's expectations rise faster than living standards.
So a society that becomes exponentially wealthier can see a decline in net happiness and satisfaction."
There is virtually nothing that people cannot get accustomed to over a time. People have
an unlimited capacity for taking things for granted, which also helps explain why there
is so much desire for innovation and improvement. In statistics, there is something called Cromwell's
Rule. It says, "Never say something cannot occur or will definitely occur unless it is
logically true," like 1+1=2. If you say something has a 1 in a billion chance of being true
and you interact with billions of things in your lifetime, you are nearly assured to
experience some astounding surprises. And so you should always leave open the possibility
of the unthinkable coming true. In agriculture, there is something called
Leibig's Law of the Minimum. It says that, "A plant's growth is limited by the single
scarcest nutrient." Not the total nutrients. If you have everything that you need to grow
a plant except for nitrogen, a plant goes nowhere. Leibig wrote, "The availability
of the most abundant nutrient in the soil is only as good as the availability of the
least abundant nutrient in the soil." Most complex systems are the same, which makes
them more fragile than we assume. One bad bank, one stuck container ship, or one broken
supply line can ruin an entire system's trajectory.
Last, there is a Chinese proverb called, "Three men make a tiger." I love this one.
It says, "If one person tells you there's a tiger roaming around your neighborhood,
you can assume they're lying. If two people tell you there's a tiger in your neighborhood,
you begin to wonder. If three people say it's true, you are convinced there's a tiger
in your neighborhood and you run for your life." The proverb first came about hundreds
of years ago, but is probably more relevant today than ever in the social media age. People
will believe anything if enough people tell them that it's true.
Look around and you will literally find hundreds of these ideas linking one field to another.
It's so much more fun to find these things than confining yourself to your own field.
And better yet, I think it gets you closer to the truth.
That's all for this week. We'll see you next time.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Importance of learning from various fields to understand behavior and decision-making.
Connection between different disciplines like psychology, sociology, history, and finance.
Examples of cross-field lessons
Summary:
The podcast discusses the significance of learning from diverse fields to gain insights into human behavior, decision-making, and financial matters. It emphasizes the idea that understanding behavior across different disciplines, such as psychology, sociology, and history, is crucial for comprehending money and investing effectively. Through examples like the growth patterns of goldfish in different environments and the consequences of rapid business growth, the podcast highlights how lessons from various scientific fields can be applied to finance and investing.
By connecting concepts from unrelated fields, individuals can uncover fundamental truths about how the world operates. The narrative underscores the value of exploring beyond one's field of expertise to gain a broader perspective and deeper understanding of complex systems and behaviors, ultimately bringing one closer to the truth.
FAQs
The subject of the email was the best investing books of 2013, but there were no investing books on the list.
Studying fields like psychology, sociology, history, and more can provide crucial insights into behavior, risk, and decision-making related to money and investing.
Connecting dots between fields helps uncover powerful forces that influence how the world works, often more important than detailed specifics within a single profession.
Companies that grow too fast may sacrifice long-term quality and survival for short-term gains, as seen in various industries.
Wolf's Law states that bones adapt to pressure by becoming stronger or weaker. This concept applies to other areas where entities adapt to external forces, affecting their strength or resilience.
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