Listener Stories: Vol. 118 featuring. Amy Bruni

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We have a very special guest and we have talked about her a lot on the show. Yeah, I feel like we sort of manifest it, you know, like summit. It's kind of like probably a startling thing to say to your guys. Our hopes have come true. But that we have Amy Bruney on she is the co star and executive producer on travel channels Kindred Spirits, which if you've been listening to this show at all, we've talked a lot about Kindred Spirits. Anytime I've covered a paranormal case and that show has come up at all. We've discussed in depth. What you're capable of that blows my mind every time. She's also the owner of strange encounters, which is a paranormal excursion company, which is very cool. She's also the host of eye hearts haunted road. She's written a few books like life life with the after life, which is 13 lessons I learned about ghosts. And then I don't know how you could get any cooler after talking about the paranormal, but you also decided to throw food in there with another book called food to die for, which came out a couple years ago. And now as of when this episode comes out, your book, your most recent book, cuisine to kill for, which is the true crime version of that cookbook just came out. So I hope you're, when this comes out, I hope you're celebrating appropriately. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me. I can't believe it's taken this long, but I'm so thrilled to meet you both. This is so exciting. So I follow you on threads too. That's so random, but I follow you on threads. You're like, I love your content there too. You're just stunning. Thank you. Around a cool guest to have on. And we've, I do feel like, yeah, we've, we've brought, I mean, we also bring up Zach Beings a lot. So we bring up a lot of people, but I feel like you, we always bring up in a very much more generous light, let's say, and leave it at that. Anyway, our producer, Eva, who is glaringly absent today, feel better, Eva, has hand picked some special stories for us today that that have to do specifically with the estus method because the estus method holds a very special place in M's in my heart. But that all began because I learned about it through watching Amy and then, you know, went through the history and all that. Oh, sorry, not to talk about you while you're right here, but Amy's the reason that you know what the estus method is literally. Yes, out. I know. So we circle. We, uh, for like, hell, if I don't know, I didn't agree to any of whatever. No, I'm glad that that worked. I mean, we were actually like, it's weird because we were, we weren't the first ones to do it. Right. We were the first ones to do it on TV before the name. So we just called it the spirit box experiment. Yeah. And then the guys were like, we're going to name it. And I'm like, well, we've been doing this now for like three years on the show. And I can't just suddenly be like, we're calling this yes, this method. You can just like overlay like estus method, robotic voice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I had no idea. So we've, um, I've, I've been an investigator for, uh, now like over 10 years and pristine. And I have gone on investigation since 2018 or 2019 together. And I think I would argue that the estus method, when pristine suggested we do that was, I mean, easily some of the best material we've ever, ever gotten. Like the best clarity, the best like understanding of what was happening in a place. The most like connect the dots experiences. Yeah. It was, it really changed the game for us. Yeah. So we, yeah. So as a Christie, I just, I interrupted you. So I'll finish for you. But, um, so we decided to pick some estus method stories for you that people sent in. But before we get into it, I would like to ask is, is that your favorite way to, to, to ghost hunter and to investigate? Or do you have like a favorite tactic? I mean, I adore it just because it is such a controlled method. Like, I know there's a lot of naysayers out there. And the reality is that if, if you're watching people do it, you just have to take them for their work. Or, right, that, that they're hearing these questions, or they're hearing the answers to these questions. And they're not hearing the questions themselves. And, uh, and so whenever there's people who kind of are skeptical of it, I just say try it. Just try it yourself. You know, um, but I love it because it just seems to give the most kind of thorough answers. Uh, the most, the most information that I can actually research. If I dig into research of a location, uh, you know, the estus method has certainly led me down paths. That I would not have gone down otherwise without clues given that way. So between that and just like good old fashioned EVP sessions. Those are my two favorite things they are my go to's for sure. Mm hmm. Yeah. No, we've, um, Christine is shockingly good. I, you know, it's so weird. I'm sure you've had this experience too, but, um, Anytime that I have been the one with the blindfold listening to the spirit box, um, I can't, I feel like I can't do it at all. Like I just, I, I feel like I get nothing. You did, you did it great. I mean, at the Waley House, you creeped that you were like, I'm on the stairs and we all almost peed our pants. Well, I, I mean, I feel like I got like, I get every now and then I'll get like a, a real winner like that. But Christine is incredible. Like we've done it like far away from each other. I mean, it, but it's, it blows my mind. Are you usually someone who does the listening or do you ask the questions more? I'm usually a listener, but I would say I do this more often with Adam than anyone else. And it's very strange. Sometimes we just know who's going to be better at it for that particular. No, you know what I mean? We'll just kind of be like the other night we were, we filmed a show last week and we were at a Mason's lodge. And, you know, obviously women aren't really supposed to be there. So it was just instantly. Like Adam, you do, yeah, yeah, sure, sure. And so, and it worked really well. But so just kind of we take into account who it might work better for. But I feel like I'm, I feel like I hear a little bit better than him, but I'm interesting. Yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe your strikes. Yeah, maybe it's just like we're just, you know, gifted in the art of hearing and listening. I think that's what it is. I think it's really, you know, I, well, I'm like, I'm severely ADHD. And so I hear everything that's going on around me all the time. Like I can't not. And so I think that might be part of it. Like it's almost like Eve's dropping on three different conversations. Yeah, well, I feel like that's why you should you should really be gifted at this, right? Because Emma and I are both harmonized and we're very extreme ladies as well. You know, and coming to grips with that as adults. And so, yeah, I think I think Emura, I think you're doubting your own abilities. Because you did a great job when we did that at I think the creepiest one, though. I think the reason you might be saying that is because the creepiest time we ever did the S method as far as I'm concerned was at Bobby Mackeys in the basement. And somehow Em got me, I was already like, I'm out of here. But Em got me to be, you know, sensory deprived in the basement. And that was one of the creepier because we also had like the paranormal music box, like a far across the room, like going off. And I mean, the whole aesthetical, you know, I would say that. I mean, it certainly looked creepy on camera, but and I don't know if you've had this experience. Now this has just become like a swapping stories situation. But at the Bobby Mackeys, I've actually never felt more peaceful. Which everyone says it's such a scary place. But we were in the in the basement and room right next to the well. And I felt like I was like really having like a friendly connection with them. Like they were very wonderful and kind. And like when I was like, okay, well, it's time to go. They were like, we'll miss you. It was like very like sweet. So I don't know. I I thought it was lovely. But have you had any sort of cases like that where when you're investigating it all, whether or not it's the Estus method that you were like, this place isn't as bad. It's just like so like sweet and homey. Well, Bobby Mackeys was one of them for sure. Actually that you mentioned that. Like that's when I sat on the regular where I just heard so many terrible things about it. How crazy it was going to be. And we got in there and I was like, kind of just want to hang out here. Kind of want to ride the boat, you know, with their head and the mechanical. Oh my God, I should work on my shirt. Yeah, we loved it. And then they did bulldoze it like a week later after we went. Oh, you're lucky you got in there. But yeah, I know. We did see raccoons in the basement. So we had our clear camera and there were a number of raccoons down there. And I was like, are these the demons? Like these might actually be the ones. Oh my God, they're setting up the fucking music box M. Oh my God, imagine. You haven't, that's so funny because within the same month of being at Bobby Mac years, we were at the Sally House. And the only thing we got there was raccoons. And it ate my milkshake, the raccoon literally. We literally caught it on camera. We thought, oh my gosh, finally some activity and this raccoon like turns to the window. And it's eaten all my sonic. They're the ghosts we make along the way. The friends we make along the way. And then what happens when there goes? Then you're like being haunted by ghosts for raccoons. And then it's just a whole thing. Oh my God, the cycle continues. You're the one that's definitely more tuned in with that. So let me know if you ever sense a raccoon near me. Yeah, I go this track. I don't need to know about a demon. But let me know if you with any wildlife. Okay, the last thing I'm going to ask you before we get into telling you some of the listener's stories. Only because I don't think I've met anybody who has such a relatable experience to Christian night. Because we also wrote books that were true crime and paranormal. But instead of cookbooks, they were like a road Atlas. It was a travel guide. And since you have now done a, correct me if I'm wrong, but a paranormal cookbook and a true crime cookbook. How did you pick your stories? Or was there a limit that you were told? Because originally I was fighting for a Christian and I to do like an encyclopedia of every box of location ever. And they were like, you can't do that. We were told. So how did you pick the cases that got into your book? So, well, with cuisine to kill for. So that it's true crime hauntings, right? So there are still hauntings, but like they have a true crime origin. There were some limits put on it in the sense that they didn't want me to do like any freshies as I call them. Like it didn't want anything to be super recent. And like controversial or anything soon. So most of them are very historic hauntings. And so that was kind of it. And then I also on that one wanted to go international. This food to die for was all domestic. And so the work was seen to kill for. I wanted to do places all over the globe. Some of them I've not even been to. And so it was just kind of like what interested me, what was like a really compelling story, you know, what had like the most, you know, paranormal reports that were recent and constant. I loved the ones that were really old. And so it was, there were too many. I had to even like leave out one of them. That, you know, at the end, we had way too many words. And so it ended there kind of pair down the list. Yeah. And so like Bobby Mackies is one of them too, not to go back to that. But like, you know, there's just there's a, there's a, it's a healthy mix of domestic international and international locations. But all of them have some sort of true crime story behind them. And it's just kept me interested. You know what I mean? Like, I've been doing this out for so long. I'm always trying to find something to keep me interested. I want spooky to be my career forever. And so I'm always trying to find something. Totally get it. Some spin that I can do that will keep me and interested in it. But also keep people interested in me. If that makes sense, yeah, totally. Unfortunately, it makes complete sense. Very much so. Unfortunately, yeah, so makes complete sense. Very relatable. Do you have any, um, any favorite recipes that you discovered along the way, that are in this cookbook coming up? So many. So, uh, my, my favorite recipe in the book is, uh, it's the baked scrawd from the Omni Parker House in Boston, Massachusetts. That's my favorite one. It's like the Easter cod. Yeah, I mean, cod is big here in New England. Like people, it's on every menu. And so that's what scrawd is basically. But with that recipe, it's just, I made it for the family a number of times. But then the other one that was surprisingly really good and my daughter keeps asking me to make it again is called Shrimp Wiggle from, from what? It's from Panhurst Asylum. So I was the way I found a recipe from it. Oh my god. Imagine going to school and being like, "Oh, what do you guys have for dinner? I had a shrimp wiggle. No, it was from present. You don't know my mom made a present too. It was from Panhurst Asylum. So I found this recipe book. So I found a historic account of the cafeteria at Panhurst. The Panhurst was a dreadful place to be. The whole street there is horrifying. And it was the first place in the United States where caregivers were actually held criminally liable for their treatment and abuse of patients, which was changed everything in the medical system here. So I found the cookbook that their cafeteria used to pull recipes from. And I was just trying to find something that would be palatable but also kind of demonstrate what they ate every day. And so I found this recipe for someone called Shrimp Wiggle. And it was for 50 people, because it's for institution, right? 50 people. And there were 50 shrimp, which meant each person gets one shrimp. That feels, I mean, no, no pun intended, that feels criminal. If it's going to be a shrimp meal and you get one, what's the wiggle part? That's feeding at the rest of them. It's literally like, it's like the, almost a cream sauce with the shrimp cooked in it and then like frozen peas. Okay. And then you serve it over crackers. Like, I use this, you can do, they use pricel teens, but I use those like, uh, those snack stacks or whatever. Those really buttery, really bad for you, I use those. And, um, and I more than one shrimp per person. So, um, but I have the recipe down to make it more, you know, family friendly. But, uh, it's surprisingly good. And yeah, but then there's, yeah, I always tell people those recipes. Some of them are, most of them are delicious. Some of them are very historic. I say, wow, you know, that really M behind them right now has like, several menus from the Warner Brothers love from back in the day. So we love like a vintage menu. We are always discussing vintage menus. It really is a good one. For all I know, shrimp wiggle is on one of these little things. They can be, obviously, we've seen where they're like, they're quite a lot of gelatin up there. Yeah. There's a lot of gelatin. Well, uh, I didn't mean to, um, bombard you with too many questions. But I, as if my two favorite things are already true. I'm paranormal, but you found a way to sneak by third favorite food in there. Like vintage food and stuff. Yeah, you're really good. This podcast is brought to you by Squarespace domains. We have used Squarespace since we started the podcast almost 10 years ago. Actually, and the Schultz-Worth Manor, we now have two family members using Squarespace because Allison and her jewelry business, for just craft, just started using Squarespace themselves. She was like, I really need a website. And I said, we've never had a problem with Squarespace. You gotta use them with Squarespace. Your domain comes with everything included from the moment that you register. You get every feature, every tool. 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And Cher says, my friend and I started a podcast called spooky dukey, where we visited haunted locations in Wyoming, because we're from Wyoming and no one never talks about Wyoming and it's super haunted. We did the Estes method at a location called the Virginia hotel in medicine bow Wyoming. And we were the only ones there and we were locked in. Awesome start. The manager even told us to not let the ghosts bite. Oh gosh. I am a scaredy cat when it comes to ghosts and my co-host does not believe in them. So when we we went upstairs on the third floor, which is said to be haunted by an old cowboy, I was extremely afraid up there and I'm no idea why I was almost to tears. We went back down to the second floor where a child ghosts and an employee are said to haunt the place. And my co-host was under was under the Estes method and said the word scared. I asked, are you scared? And he said, no, you. I said, okay. I said, hell yeah, I'm scared and he replied, I'm sorry. After that, I felt a child size hand hold mine. It was a touching moment and I think the ghosts were saying they were sorry for scaring me, but I about pissed myself. When I went under the Estes method, I heard a child laughing and a man telling the child to speak. My co-host and I have other stories, but I think this is the most wholesome. Other stories I have we were cursed at and I was called a bitch. Old cowboy ghosts are rude and I think sexist. I think I'm not sure, but I mean, I would hope so because that's we'll not hope so, but you know, I would historically, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm scaring you, but have you had any sweet tender moments that either haven't been aired or you haven't gotten to discuss before that meant something to you? So many. I think that's just the way I look at ghosts. That story doesn't surprise me at all because you know, if you're in the moment and you're investigating and you're having like an actual kind of back and forth as opposed to trying to get evidence then reacting when something happens, you sometimes we forget when something happens and I'm guilty of this, you forget when something happens rather than engaging and furthering the whatever that is, you're like, Oh my god, there's a really good way. Yeah, that's crazy and like you can't help it sometimes, but I think when you really sit back and you do something like they did, you kind of start having this meaningful interaction and taking stock of it, I think greater things come from it. And so I definitely had those moments. I weirdly, when I was, so I have a 13-year-old daughter and we, when I was pregnant with her, I was investigating in an old jail, the old city jail, I think, or old jail in Charleston, South Carolina. And I'm like, I'm pregnant, I'm pregnant, I investigated till I was like a thousand months pregnant. It's all wobbling around. And I felt as though like a child like hugged my legs at one point. There was this area of the jail where there had been children who had passed away. And I think they knew that like I was a mom or about to be a mom. I felt these like little arms like reach around my legs, you know. So I definitely, I definitely think that's a possibility. And I have to say one more thing. There is this kind of like weird thing in the paranormal where there was this movement. I don't know how often it happens now, but there was this movement where people were like children ghost or demons trying to, you know, or demons. And I'm like, but what if you're wrong? Your treatments are horrible. So I choose to believe they are not demons. And if I'm wrong, then I guess I'll find out one day. But after this point, it's been fine. Well, you know, we're guilty of a little bit of that sometimes. I, you know, the only, the only, I think, experience that Christine and I have had that I will counter you on was they say at the Queen Mary, there's a little girl who is actually a demon in disguise. So you feel vulnerable around her. And oh, Jackie. Yeah. I'll tell you Jackie, I think Jackie did it. I got to say Jackie really effed us up for a while there. Something dark happened. It was an EVP audio of from the beginning of the night all the way through the, through the rest of the night. And you can hear her voice slowly warp into something. It was like, hi, dad, it's a daddy. Hi. And we were like, Oh, who is it? And then over time, it started going, oh, it starts freaking this like creepy, warbled, starved voice. And it was like, I'm here. I mean, it was just very unsettling. Whatever that was, if it was just like mimicking something or whatever, I don't know. But yeah, that was our only, but I will say in stories, we're always very wary of child ghost and stories. But I don't think we've ever gone to a place where some treated a child ghost, like a demonic entity. We've never been that disrespectful. So yeah, I think I would, I would do it. It's just so many times. I don't think Jackie ever really existed. I think Jackie is something else that I think it's left something created, which would make sense. I agree. I agree. We agree on that. Yeah, because we were not feeling Jackie's whole vibe. She was not it for us now. Something was going on. No. Okay. So I have a story here. This is called Estus Method and Gettysburg Ghosts, hitting on my friends. Okay. Here we go. Hey there. My name is Haley. I use she her pronouns, longtime listener since the beginning and love y'all dearly. I heard a calling for Estus Method stories. And as an amateur paranormal investigator, this topic was calling my name. So let's crack into it. I've been an amateur paranormal investigator and enthusiast since I could turn on the TV by myself to the sci-fi channel and watch Ghost Hunters LOL. So many years. In my mid 20s, I met some of the coolest people with similar interests and we quickly began doing investigations together. We're about two hours away from Gettysburg, truly a paranormal mecca. If you're looking to find something unexplainable, go to Gettysburg and you will not be disappointed. I've never been, so you two know this. I always wanted to, but it feels overwhelming almost. I was too young, I was, I did a field trip there. So I was too young to appreciate it, but I remember even then going something trippy's happening here. So my, I go there here. My company strange escapes. We always do like a yearly retreat there. And so we're going back in September, but I weirdly find Gettysburg to be so like comforting. It's a very magical little town. It's very cozy. I don't understand it because you're like, wow, you know, thousands of people died here. And this is this huge traumatic event. But I think there's just such an appreciation of history there. Yeah. That there's something kind of, I don't know what I'm, what word I'm looking for. But there's just something about it that brings people together all there to learn history. And yeah, when you go, you'll see it's not what you would think. They're parts that are heavy, but it's also just very kind of mystical and it's kind of like Salem. Like they made something very positive or something very negative. Kind of leaned into the understanding of it rather than just like pushing it into, yeah, that's, that's cool. That's a good, good take. Yeah, I've never been. I've always wanted to, but maybe someday, maybe in September. I don't know. Yes, you should come. Oh my gosh, I love to come to me. I might. Oh boy, September is my yearly retreat month. And I, anyway, just weird synchronicity. And to be, I'm a message you have for the, we'll see. Yes, I mean, send me the link or some bunch of us going. All the cool kids will do the Estes Method. Oh my god, I should tell my neighbor, my neighbor Troy. I said this before we recorded, but he is like just your biggest fan. And he's just very like studious about everything you write. And he goes and sees you do at every talk you do in the Cincinnati area. And he's just, he's just love. So I told him I was going to meet you today. And he's very, he's very excited. So that's awesome. Troy says like that. Anyway, maybe he'll come with me to get his work. Okay, here we go. Yes. So in March, it's a big winded. Sorry, here we go. Oh, no, we wouldn't want that. We wouldn't want that. We'd have to make you sign a waiver or something first. Yeah, that happens. Okay. In March of 2026, a group of about eight of us booked an Airbnb for a weekend and off we went. We booked an overnight investigation with a tour company and started our night at the sex covered bridge. I hope I'm saying that right. My best friend Derek, a fabulous gay former drag queen named Zenobia darling, who you all would adore already do. Thank you went under first for an estimate. I look at everything. They're going under for an estimate. I'm like, - Whoa, it's clinical. - Go under, bye. - I always feel like (laughs) - Christy does the same thing here as she goes. - Let me know how this turns out. - I could buy to the cruel world, I guess. See you on the other side, I feel like I always say, yeah. Okay, Zenobia Darling went under first for Nestus. Every single time we would ask a question, the response would be about the women in our group. Most of my friends have fun colored hair and a lot of tattoos for context. The ghost kept talking about which one of us they fancied, oh boy. We kept getting something saying, girl with the orange hair. My friend Heather had bright orange hair at the time. It was like, it was unbelievable to them, but they liked it. Shortly after, one of my other friends got groped on the butt. Uh-oh. Although Derek didn't know it at the time, my friend and I had to sneak off to go pee in the woods. When we got back, the phrase peep show kept coming through the spirit box. - Jesus. - Oh, Jesus. - At least they're honest, you know? - They're like, yeah, upfront about it. Peep show is wild. Okay, as if the ghost had watched us LOL. To us, we weren't really upset by it because we really shouldn't have been doing it anyway, probably, but emergency's happened. That's what it says in the email. And kind of pity the fact that they were stuck because their bodies were most likely buried close by in unmarked graves. After sex bridge, we headed over to the Eisenhower Bridge, which had a much darker energy, but gave me the best paranormal evidence I've ever captured, which I will attach. I was doing an S just by myself down a dark path into the woods. Christine LOL. I don't know what it says, Christine LOL. - I guess you struck her as somebody would do that. I don't know. - Maybe. - Okay. - I mean, it is something I would do get lots of the woods, but like, I don't know. - What a nice person I'll attack in front of everybody. - He's like dark path in the woods, get it? - Get it, Christine. - And there, Christine will know what it means, I guess. - Okay, down, I'm just doing an S just by myself down a dark path in the woods. Just like, she always does, yeah. LOL. Chris Clear's day, something came through this static into my headphones and said, pray to your mother in the scariest voice I've ever heard. Oh my Lord. Okay. The tour guide had previously warned us that the ghosts at Eisenhower do like to mess with people and frequently try to scare them. That is what that feels like. So I had to sit there and act. Like that didn't just happen by myself in the dark. I stuck it out for a few more minutes than ended the session and rejoined my friends. When I told the guide, he said something told him once to come back at 2 a.m. and to bring his Jesus. Fun stuff. - I would have done that. I would have done that at 2 a.m. with the Jesus. - Okay, time are set with the Jesus. - Oh my gosh. Have there been any times? I mean, I assume there has, I know you've had a lot of experiences, so but are there any times that like we don't get to see or hear about, where like you've actually been too freaked out? We were like, I'm out. Like I'm just gonna step away from this location. - Yeah, I mean, I don't, I think sometimes with the, if I get freaked out from a location, it's usually because of environmental factors or like animals, but like, you know, I always tell people, living people are way scarier than those ones. - Yeah, I can deal with the living or the dead ones way more. But, but there have been times, like there was one time, we were at the conjuring house and for some reason I was, I was under, I was doing this, and I don't know if it was just that moment of sensory deprivation or what, but I got really sick, like just during and that was the only time that happened. And I literally ended the investigation for that. I was just very nauseous. And like, nothing else really crazy happened there. I've investigated there many times. And it was just this kind of weird, I just have this very sick feeling. And, but I also have found kind of to what their point was, there have been times that I've been doing the estes and because you are sort of vulnerable, they will, you know, 'cause like, we touch each other, like get us out of it, like I'll tap at it and we're gonna tap it, sure. - But sometimes they'll touch you. They're like, you know, she, you know, there was one time we were at the, a place in Florida with, it'll come to me, but in Brooksville, Florida, my stranger house. And the whole time I was doing it, something was pinching me and the whole, and Adam just finally, he had this, he had this like, come at me ghost bone. And he's like, stop pinching my friend. (laughing) - You pinched him on your own size. - Yeah, so, but yeah. And we've also had some dirty birdie ghosts come through on the estes as well. - Wow. - 'Cause they were spanked. You just never know what you're gonna get. - That's so true. Well, I remember that time, and we were at the Waily House and for some reason, I guess this is why they said Christine, actually, I'm starting to understand. They said Christine LOL and I'm starting to get it because our guide there ended up being an interesting story, but he basically said, oh, I know what you should do. You should sit on the stage at the Waily House on the second floor and ask the ghosts to come touch you and tell them that like, you have no boundary or whatever. And I was like, okay. - And I, of course, she's like, I'm not gonna do that. - Yeah, I'm like volunteer. I mean, this, I've, let's just say since, you know, changed quite a bit. But so at the time I was like, sure, why not? And it wasn't quite so drastic. I just said like, you know, in this moment, if you want. And I did, I felt something kind of touching my shoulders. And that's when across the room, this like giant poster kind of flew off the wall and we were wearing cameras, thank God. So we, but it was very weird how it was almost like the moment I felt it physically touched me, something across the room happened. So I don't know what that's about, but that was, that was also very creepy. And then I said, okay, the boundaries back up. No more. - Bye, yeah. - But like, no protecting me. I had left that one more than one thing happens at once. That's like, it's exciting. And there's like all sorts of things happening. - It got exciting. - And like, the confirmation bias of it all, like, okay. So I, I was feeling something. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. The timing is too uncanny. Yeah. Okay, so this is almost a real, let's see. A few days later, we were reviewing evidence and caught a picture on the bridge that we cannot explain. It is a shadow of a man that looks like he's wearing a Civil War trench coat. This was not one of us, and we tried many explanations to debunk it. You can see through some parts of him, but not others. Please feel free to post it for others to see, because for me, this was the best piece of evidence I've ever gotten. It will absolutely give goose camp. Sorry, this is so long. Gettysburg will always have a place in my heart as an investigator. Yeah, wow, this place is sounding cool. I'm gonna download this picture and send it in the chat here so we can all look at it. How do I do this? I don't know. - I don't know. I feel like it's a, I feel like, maybe you should look and just let us know. Just be our eyes. - Yeah. - Well, trust your judgment. - What am I seeing here? Okay. Oh, okay. Well, I hate when you make me do this, 'cause then I get scared. 'Cause then I get scared and then no one else can help me. (laughing) It does look like a dark figure where you can see the full body, but yeah, you can see the rungs of the bridge behind the person. It's almost like, - Oh, okay. - And they're in the floor ground. Yeah, it's very creepy 'cause you can definitely see the shape of a person, but you can absolutely see behind them too. Like through them, yeah. It's bizarre. - I'd be proud of that picture too. - Yeah, I'd say most of like the photos, the most compelling photos I've seen, a lot of them have come out of Gettysburg. It's hard when you're not there taking the photo to really comment on it, but a lot of them have come out of Gettysburg. - Interesting. - I guess that would make sense, yeah. I haven't gotten any pictures. I don't think that, personally, I haven't gotten any pictures that I am. I don't know. I'm always impressed when people are able to do that because it hasn't happened to me. I usually, I just get vibes. - Who knows how true that is, but I usually, I kind of just navigate based on that, but some people are really, I don't know how they're able to get stuff on the question. - I know. I'm not, I don't ever use photography as evidence. I feel like there's so many variables that it could be so many other things. And we have such selective memory. We don't always, someone could be like, there was not a man standing three hundred feet away in that field, but if you weren't looking for the man at the moment. So I love photos for capturing the environments and when I'm reviewing other evidence, I can go back and be like, what was that? Oh, I see it. Let's see. - I think it went through. - Thank you. - If not, it's fine. - No, I'm glad that we can see it now. - Oh yeah, I see that. - That would be one of those moments where I'd be questioning, I mean, I hate, I don't want it to completely debunk this. I don't know. - Like was it a shadow or something? - Yeah, or was someone actually there and they don't remember the placement of everybody in that moment and in the way they see. So who knows? But regardless, they clearly had amazing experiences there. So either way, that's like with Orbs and Videos. I'm like, was it a bug? Was it us? How do we know? - I've always got to go about that 'cause I just, I don't know enough about clear circles, you know, like I'm like, I don't know what is, - I'm the expert in those clear circles now. - You're very easily replicated. I'm very much like, if someone comes to me and they're like, I think this is my, you know, Aunt Josephine, she was my favorite person in the world. I'm not gonna be like, that's dust. I'm gonna be like, that's cool. - Cool. - Like, it could be. - I'm flying cockroach. - Not your aunt. - No, exactly. - But yes, I agree. I agree, and like, for all of it, for all we know it is, but anyway. (bell dings) - Chrissy, it's almost the end of the week. Has anything really grinded your gears this week? - Everything grinds my gears. - Yeah. - I wish they were smooth, saline, lubricated, but instead, it's like, the delivery driver came but forgot a straw. And so now I have to drink my coffee like from the side, like an animal, you know? - Here you go. that. I've been, you know, I, I just got back from my long trip and I'm readjusting to the time difference, which I usually wouldn't bother me too much, but it's been really getting on my nerves. Like I just can't keep up. 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Visit angry orchard.com and use the cider locator to find angry orchard near you. Angry orchard cider company LLC angry orchard is a hard cider with other natural flavors. Please drink responsibly. So the next one, I feel personally attacked because the subject line is homophobic gross during our estus. And I think Eva picked this on purpose. I think Eva picked this on purpose because when we were at the Wally house, was that the one where we had the transphobic ghost? Mr. Wally didn't really, he wasn't. Mr. Wally was confused by me. And he had a lot of questions. Yeah. And he was like, what is that? He's a really rough guy. He's a girl. Like it was a lot of like I was the one doing the estus method. So I was like, do I say this? I was like, sorry, I'm talking to you. We had one. I'll tell you after this story, but we had one that was a doozy like. Yeah, no, it was a Christine was saying it, which I think maybe the machine was turned off and Christine was finally just saying her truth, but it felt weird to be like, sorry, it's not me, I swear, but it was it made for great content. I'll put it that way. Mr. Wally is a stand-up comic all of a sudden when it comes to trans people. Tell us your story. What happened? So kind of getting back to, so we were doing an estus at this little inn in Vermont. And this dude came through who was so, well, he started out being very like frisky. So are you guys interested in a threesome? Like all this weird, like, let's get naked. And I was like, what is this ghost? And I remember just saying, like, can you please not talking to me like that? And then he was like, why is it? Because your friend is, you know, he called Adam like a slur for a game. But it was so awkward because Adam was the one doing it. So he was saying all the things. So Adam's like my brother. And I was like, yeah, there are times where like with our producer, you know, we're like, I feel like she could call if we had an HR, she could call and be like, this is the cannot, because she goes with us on the ghost investigation, the parental investigation. It's like, okay, you know, at a certain point, we can't make Eva do the estus method. Like we got a lot of effort, OSHA certified breaks or whatever. But yeah, man, it can get awkward. Yeah, it was awkward. It was a very awkward ghost. And I think I can't remember if I figured out who it was, because I think I did figure out it was some man there who was staying there when it was like a rehabilitation facility of some sort or something. And I don't know, at the very least are you are you laughing through it? Because it's so awkward or are you like really trying to lock in and later you'll go, that was funny. How do you usually operate? It was very much like, I was just looking at the crew. Like, what do I do? Yeah, yeah. I remember at one point being like, can we even show this? Like, is this going to be a television? It was on television. I'm sure it was a slam dunk of it episode though, because that sounds really good. Yes, there was a lot of bleeping, but I think people figure it out. So yeah, no, it was me when I get scared or just horrified in general, I just start laughing deliberately. I don't know if you have any takes on this, but we've also been told by other people in this world that in this world, in this in the paranormal world. Sorry, not like on earth. It's like that's a strange way to say it. Sorry, I did hear it and I went, I'm just going to keep rolling, but thank you for for stopping me from my delusional takes. But that like laughter actually helps in those situations where like keeps the spirits away in some way. I don't know how true that is, but I would, when I heard it, I went, thank God, I'm going to run with that because it's what I do naturally. It's just better than a fear response of, you know, sure, I don't know, but like at least less like activating maybe. Yeah, who would you rather talk to some people that are giggling and being silly or people that are like, right, you know, you're dead, you know, that's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah, yeah, I prefer the laughter. I think that's actually what helps us when it comes to getting our content. Yeah, we always say that we're just kind of hanging out and it feels more I don't know, like they wouldn't be part of the sleepover, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. So this is a holophobia ghost during our essays. This is right. This is from Shep, who uses they she pronouns, love a double pronoun. And chef chef says chef chef chef chefs. My very nice things about us and then onto the story. My partners, friends and I are ghosts investigators. And while we have many stories we could share, I saw your request for SS method stories and decided to send in my particular favorites. Every year for my birthday, we take a trip to Louisville to investigate Waverley Hill Sanatorium. It's an incredibly active place and we have gotten many pieces of evidence over the past six years, but no matter what evidence we get, nothing will ever top the cranky old man who loves insulting us through the spirit box. A couple years ago, we finally got a spirit box and decided to use the SS method. We went to the old main entrance of the hospital and got everything set up. I sat in a chair facing the original front doors, headphones on and my friends walked around and asked questions. Pretty quickly, I began hearing a male voice. At first, it was hard to hear through the static, but eventually I realized the voice was cussing like a lot. Some of the words are things I definitely won't say here and didn't say allowed to the group, but some of his favorites included boobs, whiskey and flusies to name a few. Oh my god. So he's just read, he's just excited to have an outlet to like just scream all the words finally. He's like, I've been holding this in. It feels like a toddler who just got like one of those echoey classic microphones. Thank you for your reward. And by the way, my four-year-olds has auto-tune and it's incredibly irritant. Yeah. So she just go flusies. She recently said, she started saying, my Pete, my Jesus, and we're like, what? It's because in Cincinnati, there's a saying, there's like a local idiom gizel Pete and like I've been saying it since I was a kid. And she wedges a lot of Pete the cat so she's my Pete, my Jesus. And we're like, you can't say that at preschool, but that's auto-tuned. It's a whole thing. Flusies might be next. I don't know what she's learning at school, but I love the word flusies. I think she takes her back, yeah. If we're claiming a lot of words these days, flusies should certainly be on the shortlist. I'm saying it right now. Oh, my God. Oh, man. Yes. Love a flusie. They say, oh, this string of various swear words and deafening static goes on for a bit. And so the box goes completely silent for like three seconds. I thought it had died and I looked down and it was still sweeping. Suddenly, I distinctly and uncharacteristically hear him say, you're beautiful. I don't like that. I don't know why because it's like just a compliment, but I don't like it. There's a pause and then I only get one more response. Not you. Like was clearly talking through ship to somebody else to let them know that they're beautiful. It's like like shoving somebody's like, not you, the other one. Yeah. You're I'm just using you as a channel right now. You were offended and then you were like offended, offended. Yeah, yeah, seriously. It got worse somehow. It's like a minute. First, I heard, if I heard flusies and then someone said, I was beautiful, I'd go, oh, okay, well, maybe we're on better terms and not you. And I go, oh, we're back to hatred. Okay. It's kind of rough. You know what, I should have stuck with my first cut. Okay. After that, as a group of all visibly queer people, I decided it's probably best to call it a rap. Being the vessel through which the voice is spoke, I had no idea what my fellow investigators were saying or asking, but I pulled the headset off. They're all losing at laughing. Mind you, this is around 3.45 in the morning and we were all a little nutty. I asked why they're laughing so hard and they happily tell me what transpired. Apparently, the responses I got weren't just random. They were a genuine back and forth dialogue, especially at the end. The dialogue apparently went like this. of the investigator said, "So do you have anything you want to say to any of us other than swearing?" And then the box went silent and said, "You're beautiful." The investigator, one of the most flamboyantly gay men I've ever known said, "Oh my God, thank you so much, Diva." And then the ghost said, "Not you." This is why laughter gets good evidence. It's way more fun this way. The context makes it so much better. I love when it's a back and forth, it's just right on with those. And then you have a sassy ghost on top of it and you're like, "Oh my gosh." Wow, this is about to get wild, yeah. Yeah, no big fan of when they're matching energy. Yeah, and then escalating and you're like, "Okay, I get it." Yeah, no, I love that. I cannot believe that it goes absolutely clocked my friend and called us homophobic names. I'm not usually one to provoke ghosts, but every year we go back, we always make sure to visit the grumpy old homophobic man and be as loudly gay as possible in his space. I hope this story brought a little bit of levity along with all the terrifying and spooky stuff. We have plenty of other experiences from being touched by children, suddenly feeling incredibly sick, getting a photo of an actual ghost, getting scratched and more, but those are stories for another time. So thank you, Shep. Whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I love them. But you have to realize, those people, they were like, you know, you think they just were in the hospital suffering or whatever, but a lot of them felt just fine, but they were still testing positive and they were there for years and years and years. And so that's why they try to break out sometimes and go find booze or like. I've also thought about how many facilities, you know, in today's world, you know, you wouldn't be put in a mental hospital, you know, because you're a woman and like stand up to your husband or something. But there's so many people who were there and just stuck there and just they, you know, they're just finally happy to have a conversation with anybody. Or even I think about, you know, our moment with Mr. Rayleigh who like, we joke around, say he's trans. He was probably just a man, the 1800s, and was like, what the hell is going on here? Like this is not the gender norms I'm used to. This is a house. I'm confused. Yeah. And the 1800s, you're in a dress, this is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So a lot of contests there. Yeah. A lot of questions are curious, you know, and that's why when I, when people go to Waverly, I'm like, don't talk about tuberculosis, don't talk about, yeah, just talk about the time period, talk about me, so many games and things they did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We want to, we'd this didn't end up in, we usually we would get content that we would go on tour with our content. But one of the clips that didn't make it on stage when we did the waily house, I remember Christine, you and Eva were on a break and I was sitting in the courthouse and I was just telling them like, what's going on in the times? Yeah. You were like, this is what I would want to know if I died. Yeah. And like several, like 100, like 100 years. What type of food did you like to eat? I was like, Oh, you know, now we wear sweatpants a lot. You didn't have those back then. Let me tell you about sweatpants. And that was some of the best like intelligent responses we got from machines. Just, I don't know, I just describing pizza and burritos. Oh, I described burritos to them. Like, I mean, I was just like, I, these are things I would want to know. Like if I died before, like some sort of food that might have ended up in this location, let me tell you. Well, we weren't to be able to. So we were like, oh, margaritas. We were like, you probably know, you're in San Diego. Yeah. There, I suggest next time you, you know, end up not knowing what to say to some ghosts if you're investigating location, you just bring up your own cookbook and go, this is what's going on over in this area and this is going over here. People have investigated with it. They've like made the recipes in the locations before we see that school. Yeah. So like, not to bring back to the conjuring house, but like, for example, my friend Amanda and food to die for the parents gave me their mother's like Yankee pot roast recipe. She made it in the house and told them what they, like, told the ghost what she was making there. So they made it every Sunday night. And like, it's so, it's so cool. Of course, because I'm making the smell and the, I mean, wow. That's amazing. God, that's so smart. It's a whole new way to investigate. You're like, I get to eat and investigate. I mean, you're speaking our language here now. Oh my God. And that's so, that's so touching too, is like they, they get to, if they can smell, I'm not sure, but like they can smell like what their home did smell like a while ago. Yeah, that brings the house so smart. Yeah, that's great. And you're, it's the only time really. You couldn't, you can experience exactly what they experience. You're like, we can look at pictures and we can have artifacts or whatnot. But like, you have a recipe and you're cooking it and you're smelling it and you're tasting it historically. Like you're experiencing it just as they did, which is, I think, the only time you could really do that. And even the house, yeah, really blew my mind. I, what a concept. I never even considered that. Oh my gosh. Next time, you're going to go for it. We need to from legal at Pennhurst. We run away and horror. They're like, no, I mean, I think M's gonna run away and horror. And I'm going to be sitting there snacking. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to be into that part, but I'll leave it. Okay, I didn't like ever know where to find stuff for my house and then wayfare showed up. And I went, oh, right. Like now I have this beautiful. I just got this like cedar. I mean, literally pulled it out and my mom goes, what does that smell? And I was like, it's my new wooden cedar sideboard. It's no big deal. And she's like, where did you have? And it was like one piece. I would so beautiful. Anyway, it's from wayfare. We bought an electric fireplace from them. Oh, yeah, smart. And it looks so cottagey and witchy. And it's in our little speakeasy behind the secret passageway book door. And I got to say my only problem with wayfare is that it is dangerous over there. It's like, I know the aesthetics you find you're a second. You're like off to the right. If you need a rabbit hole and you have, you better have that while it ready because you're going to see so many things on that website that you love. I couldn't stop adding things to my cart. And then I looked at my cart. I went, oh, okay, we have to look at the aesthetic is getting out of control. Yeah, it's very, it's very good stuff. Read more than 20 million verified five star views as well from real shoppers, which helps so much, especially when I was picking a chair out. I was like, I need to know what's the compass. Join wayfare rewards today to get 5% back on every purchase and start saving on your next home upgrade. Head to wayfare.com to shop all things home. That's w-a-y-f-a-i-r.com wayfare every style, every home. I feel like we've got time for one more story, Christine. Okay, great. So this is from, let me see. So this one is from Courtney, the ghoul guide. It says hello friends. You do? I do know her for reals. Yeah. I had a thing with the title. I was like, there's a reason the title's in there. Okay, so yeah, she's amazing. I investigate with her a few weeks ago, actually. Yeah. Okay, great. Well, this is so exciting. Okay, well, Courtney says, hello, my friends. Here is my submission for your s's episode. Oh, my God, this is a fun little creature. She doesn't know that we're doing this with you. I don't think so. She's about to be surprised. She's gonna freak out. Yeah, that's too funny. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Listen, we love it. We love it. Gemini season, bringing everybody together. Okay, here we go. In the spring of 2022, I had an experience with the s's method. What if it was with you, Amy? That would be wild. That would be hysterical. We're about to hear a story about you while you're here. Even though that would be very smart. Eva produces behind the scenes. Okay. In the spring of 2022, I had an experience with the s's method that I'll truly never forget. It's been nearly four years since that night. And alas, I have yet to have another experience like this and those who were there that night still find ourselves talking about the events that took place inside Cottage B1 at the mid-orange correctional facility. Hidden within the rampant mountains of New York's cat skills region is a former prison campus that is trying to find a second life. While some of the buildings have turned into a brewery and event space, the main campus belongs to the Hudson Sports Complex, whose end goal is to turn the buildings and dorms into a soccer camp. However, I'm not sure they knew what they were in for when purchasing the place and just how many spirits still linger throughout the layered history that these grounds hold. The mid-orange correctional facility started as an inebriate farm helping those battling addictions, but in 1932, the grounds had transformed into the and New York State training school for boys. For nearly 45 years, this facility had cared for delinquent children ranging from 13 to 16 years old. Sometimes becoming the last chance, these troubled teens would have before jail time if they couldn't be reformed. Many would argue that these were some of the harshest of the property's history. I can imagine that as many lied about their age to say at the reform school rather than being shipped off to jail, some tried escaping into the mountains, and for a few unlucky souls death found them. The treatment at the reform school was so bad it gained the attention of Eleanor Roosevelt who helped close the facility after highlighting the horrors inside with her column My Day. She's like, I have a fun little social column called My Day and here I'm going to end like make reform to juvenile whatever we get into that another day. Okay. In May 2022, I helped my friends run a public event weekend at mid-orange. It was a free roam type of event where we bring the equipment, show you how to use it and send you out for the night to investigate either on your own or with us, whatever you're feeling. Throughout the night, we were getting some great activity within the complex, including the backdoor buildings we didn't have access to the last time we'd been there. Given the fact that the dorms were unexplored and we had heard rumblings about how eerie they were, we decided to take a group back into B1 and see what we could stir up. At first, we lingered in the space, looking down at the long hallways illuminated by the moonlight peeking through the broken windows and branches of the trees and started feeling the unease settling throughout. Almost as if we were in a place we shouldn't have been. A few of us scrolled on our phones researching what we could do. Nope, researching what we could do. We're bored. No. Sorry. I can read. A few of us scrolled on our phones researching what we could about the cottage. And if anything had been associated with this one and had found an article about a death that occurred inside the dorm building we were standing in. While we discussed what we found about the space and openly trying to theorize the passing of Charlie McBride, a 15-year-old boy who was oh boy, found hanging after being beaten by a staff member. The vibes within the dorm began shifting. We heard a few voices coming from the top floor calling out to us even as we stepped outside to the point we believed our friends had been upstairs grabbing content but when we said something along the lines of oh wait so and so still upstairs we were met with the same person stepping back on the sidewalk saying no I'm right here. Around three and we decided to close out by visiting B1 Cottage again. This time we decided to sit and linger more than we did before to see what we could possibly show itself to us. The idea of a double S just came up as we sat and we couldn't say no to the idea. Do you want to describe that real quick Amy because you probably can do a good job of that? Yeah it's just basically it's two people going under at the same time and sometimes spirits will talk through each other so like other people can be asking questions too but a lot of times they'll be asking each other things and like one time Adam and I did at this place called the Fee House in Arkansas which is since burned down unfortunately but this mother and daughter started talking to each other through us and they had no idea each other was haunting the house until that moment. So sure we're of each other yeah they were aware of each other in the space until oh my god yeah so that was the probably one of wildest S's sessions that's mind blowing and they were finishing each other sent I'm so excited when there was finishing each other's sentences like one time there was one part where she was like you know mom do you remember and then one of us the other one was like the purple flowers and she said yes what it was it was so crazy yeah and like that opens up so many questions because I would imagine if a mother and daughter are both haunting a building obviously their my my only thought would be oh well they're they're so here because they want to be together right right but the fact that neither of them even knew now it's like well how did how are they missing each other in this oh my gosh they had the craziest end too not to like hijack this but like no they no so they died they were Christian scientists I believe is what is it didn't really believe in medical intervention and so the mother had died she basically was getting ready for her daughter's wedding and a fire started in the dressing room and she caught fire and she put it out and got dressed and went to the wedding but because these burns were so bad underneath her clothes she never went to the doctor they got infected and she died right until then the daughter is so heartbroken in front of the whole family you know it's like a few nights later she is like she's questioning their religion and she said well if God you know it's gonna save me save me from this and she drinks this bottle of poison in front of everybody and dies like to prove that their religion was it weren't believe it she was doubting their religion because her mother had died without it so it was this whole thing and top of that no idea the others was it was crazy and then the house burn has since burned down yeah so what was weird was they rescued it from a bit of a fire this couple that was there and then they were remodeling and making it beautiful and a fire started in one of the rooms during construction so it's not it's standing but it's completely burnt out so yeah do you have any um personal beliefs on what happens to them then from there like are they now released from the house and maybe together are they still haunting the land do you think or you don't know well the house is still standing I feel like they're probably still there because the house had already fallen into such a state of disrepair before this like they might that house had already been in a really bad place and uh so i i'm guessing they're still there i always wonder though if the structure isn't there where do they go what happens yeah obviously like you know i don't know and so uh they were there then and i i imagine they're still there i just seem weird they weren't cognizant of each other yeah that's very apparent you've blown my mind twice because i didn't again another concept i hadn't really considered yeah i just thought either you're here or you're in the afterlife in the two or two worlds yeah i had not considered either and i still that's why i always tell people i'm like this is i'm never gonna i'll never speak in absolute so i can barely even prove ghost exists i believe in them obviously but i that i was like i've makes no sense and that just makes me have more questions and that's why i keep doing this there are always more questions i know i'm gonna say i was gonna say that earlier too like the more you do it the more rabbit holes there are to go down yeah um sorry okay no no it's almost we're getting more than half way through it but you won't listen it's Amy's friend Courtney so yeah you text her entire that she's actually the middle of your story you are you better okay three and we decided to close out of the investigation by visiting b1 cottage once again um the idea of a double s just came up as we sat and we couldn't say no to the idea while a friend had gone under in the large open room at the end of the hall where the inmates would have their bunks i sat down in the hallway from her the rest of the group had been spread out somewhere gathered down the hallway from me sitting with their backs against the wall where the guard would have sat and another friend stood in the threshold where Charlie McBride had been found hanging and a few more sat with the other girl in the large room after placing the noise cancelling headphones on i listened to the noise trying to make out anything in the static but there was nothing with us being so secluded in the mountains i couldn't even pick up the faint signal of a radio station coming through the sweeps and unbeknownst to me the other person who had also gone under for the estus method was getting all the voices coming through hers i didn't think much of it sometimes nothing comes through with this method just like an average night of ghost hunting as we're all waiting around for that one big thing to happen but i was determined to last a little bit longer unaware of what was happening around me i tried my best to push through the long night and not fall asleep to the white noise i don't remember dozing off that as i sat there quietly i remember an image vividly appearing as the white noise dissipated for a moment it was like i was standing in the hallway completely alone staring at the doorway we had all walked through to get inside the area was not abandoned as it looked in this day and age but it was still in a dim light over to the left of the door was a staircase that led upstairs where the dorm parents would have had a residence back in the reform school days on the staircase i could see the figure of a woman slowly moving down the stairs as if she was joining me between the slats of the railing i could see she was wearing a long black skirt with a long white sleeve blouse tucked into the waistband from what i can remember i could only see from her bust down and as she took a step i saw her white skinny hand slowly grip the wooden railing and instantly i sensed a pit in my stomach taken completely off guard by the vision of this woman the image disappeared quickly as it appeared to me and suddenly the white noise static was heard once again this time louder i sat in the hallway completely stunned trying to make sense of what i had just seen and without pulling myself out of the method i spoke out to the group explaining what happened i don't want to say i had a vision i don't know what that was but something tells me we need to pay attention to the staircase i said allowed to the group sounded silly to say even to those who i knew would understand but after i spoke up i could hear the faint commotion of everyone freaking out shortly after that moment i still hadn't gotten a single word to come through and pulled myself out of the estimate that taking off the headphones and blindfold i placed them on the floor before turning to everyone to explain what i'd seen if it had any weight to it or if it was just some weird coincidence to the shock of everyone things lined up a little too well for our liking well i'd been under the estus method things in the cottage began showing themselves for the few who had their backs against the guards wall they started hearing a slow drag of fingernails scratching the iron window frame above them that sent shivers down their spines while others heard disembodied footsteps coming from the floor above them and the hallway past the staircase for a good friend who walked into the investigation being more skeptic left as a believer after getting his pant leg tugged in the same doorway where they found Charlie McBride after inquiring about his story and what was left unsaid about it though perhaps the most unnerving part of that whole hour had been the comment i made about the staircase when i'd finally spoken up about what i had seen the group had already been looking towards a door and the staircase as they witnessed a tall black shadow move to block out the small window and the crack at the bottom of the door for a moment before it slowly sunk down into the floor never to be seen again that night since that night we're we've investigated this facility a few times and nothing has like that has happened again we've tried recreating the moment we tried reaching out to the dorm mother and digging up more information on Charlie but nothing it's been nearly four years i've done countless investigations that involve the estus method and i've not had another vision come through could it have been a coincidence could have been a dream or a warning from the dorm mother herself not wanting us to get too close to the truth behind Charlie McBride and his death i'm not exactly sure but i do know i'll never forget that image and maybe one day she'll appear again thank you cool guide wow yes what a privilege to read that yes i've never been to the mid-orange correctional facility have you Amy i have not Actually, she actually, as an aside, she sent me a brick from Bobby Mackeys after I got torn down, by the way. So I have a brick from there. Yeah, everybody thinks that brick is, you know, a haunted demonic brick, but yeah. So thanks for that. Has some like dancing spirits, the ones we talked to in the basement. But yeah, no, I, I've not been there, but it sounds super interesting. And I always love when people try to make very normal businesses and stuff thrive in places that we're absolutely terrifying and aberration. You know, we're going to work out a lot of the time, but I know, but it's interesting. Like, really, you must really not have any, you're just like, this fine, then no, no energy, no, no, no, no, no, no. Even places that like, like, some places I just feel like you should honor the landmark, like, the places that are like, oh, this was a, a, a jail or like, a mental health facility. And now we're just going to turn it into like condos. And I'm like, I don't know, I feel like maybe we should just like, respect the land. But um, I don't know. Yeah, is there, is there anywhere that at this point in your career, you have not been that you would like to investigate? Oh, there's quite a few. I mean, there's random places that I really just, I'm dying to investigate that I know I probably won't ever be able to like, I really want to investigate Graceland so badly. Like, I've changed first. So many stories. Uh, and then weirdly, like, you know, ever since I started doing this, like, I've heard so many ghost stories come out of the White House. Like, I want to invest together. I mean, Mary Todd Lincoln literally had sayances there and things like, and employees for years. And I'm like, I want to investigate there. And then Disney World. I just want to investigate Disney. Oh, man. So like, really actually places you probably can't go or that would be such like such a logistical nightmares on how it would even navigate the entire building. Yeah. I got very close at Disney. I got very, very close because they approached me years ago about doing some like after hours thing with some employees. That's so cool. But I just think they didn't want it on record that there had been actual ghost hunts there. And so, but it was that even having conversation with you is, is all the evidence we need. I'm talking about that. But, but I don't even went that far. But that means, yeah, for sure, there's a lot there. Oh my god. I wish that would be cool. Wow. Oh my gosh. Well, thank you so much for, for joining us for our listeners episode. I we have you have been in our zeitgeist for so long. And so, oh my gosh. Just thank you so much for coming any time. Yeah. Grace Land and just like pretend to not be ghost hunting. We'll be like, or just like Elvis. Have you made you we made you a peanut butter? What did he like peanut butter? Peanut butter and banana sandwiches. Those were his jam. You know, you should reach out to them and you say, you know, for my next cookbook, like, it's just part of the bit. I have to make it there overnight. I do right here. But for the content, you got to let me. For the gram. Got to do it for the content. Okay. Well, thank you so much. We really appreciate you being here. Thanks for having me.