The trial of Lindsey Clancy, accused of killing her three young children—Cora, Dawson, and Callen—ended in a mistrial after a hung jury failed to reach a unanimous verdict. The 12 jurors, including one who repeatedly acknowledged doubt but refused to vote not guilty by reason of insanity, could not agree on a verdict, leading Judge William Sullivan to declare a mistrial. Defense attorney Kevin Reddington appealed to the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, seeking to remove a holdout juror, citing concerns about bias against individuals with mental illness, but the appeal was denied. In the courtroom, several jurors, particularly women, expressed emotional reactions to the outcome, with one noting that hearing the 911 call fundamentally changed her perspective and sense of duty. The case remains emotionally charged, with public reactions deeply divided: supporters, often wearing pink, gathered daily to show solidarity, while others, in white, expressed concern about the children’s absence from the narrative. Although the prosecution insists the case is about justice for the victims, not mental health debates, District Attorney Tim Cruz has not committed to a retrial and will only announce decisions in formal court proceedings. The defense has expressed no interest in a jail sentence, citing Clancy’s illness, and has even requested a pardon from President Trump—though this is legally impossible. With a status hearing scheduled for September 29th, the next steps remain uncertain, but the case continues to provoke intense public debate and emotional responses. Mental health resources are provided for those affected by trauma or crisis.
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All right, members of the jury, at this point,
I'm going to declare that the jury is deadlocked,
and I'm going to declare a mistrial, all right?
On Friday, September 4th, after about 36 hours of deliberation,
Judge William Sullivan declared a mistrial
in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts v. Lindsey Clancy.
In what's known as a hung jury,
the 12 jurors deliberating on this case
were unable to come to a unanimous agreement on a verdict.
A mistrial was initially proposed by the judge that Friday morning
and was hard-fought by defense attorney Kevin Reddington.
He filed an appeal for an emergency stay
so he could ask the judge,
the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court,
to intervene and remove a single juror
or determine whether the juror could comply
with the judge's instructions.
The appeal claimed that the jurors, quote,
reasoning reflects a bias against those
who suffer from debilitating mental illness, end quote.
The prosecution and the defense
were able to get on a Zoom call with the justice
of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court
on the very same day.
However, the appeal was denied,
and the judge later announced,
an official mistrial that afternoon.
As those who've been following this case know,
Lindsey Clancy is a Duxbury, Massachusetts mother
who was on trial for the killing of her three young children,
five-year-old Cora, three-year-old Dawson,
and eight-month-old Callen.
Lindsey is paralyzed from the waist down
as a result of her alleged suicide attempt that same night.
Lindsey's defense lawyer doesn't dispute
that Lindsey killed her three children
after hearing testimony from over 80 witnesses
and a number of other witnesses.
And seeing over 300 exhibits of evidence,
what the jury had to decide here
was whether she should be held criminally responsible.
The defense argued that she experienced
undiagnosed postpartum psychosis
that took away her ability to control her actions
and therefore should be found not criminally responsible.
They also argued that her condition was exacerbated
by the 13 psychiatric medications she'd been prescribed.
I'm CBS News correspondent Chanel Call,
and this. is Case by Case.
Now, I've been following this case for the network
for over a month now
and was actually inside the courtroom
for a lot of the big key moments.
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Joining us today is Boston WBZ-TV reporter
and anchor Christina Rex,
who's been reporting on this case
since the day of the killings,
Thank you so much for being here, Christina.
Of course.
Thanks for having me again.
There's so much to get into
and there's so much that we together experienced,
saw, witnessed.
You know, we were both in Plymouth
for that dramatic moment back on Friday.
So take us inside the courtroom.
What did it feel like?
How were people there reacting?
It really felt like the mistrial declaration
was a slow burn for the people in the courtroom
except for the jurors
because it had been discussed, you know,
a little bit Thursday afternoon.
We knew there was a hungover.
We knew there was a long jury.
Then Friday, the judge had said
he planned to declare a mistrial
before Kevin Reddington asked for a chance to appeal.
So as far as, in my opinion,
and I'm curious if you'll agree,
as far as, you know, Lindsay Clancy's family went
and people who were in the courtroom,
they saw it coming.
I think it was the jurors' reactions
that were really notable to me.
You know, there were several women on the jury
who had emotional reactions to that mistrial declaration,
including one woman who bent over forwards
with her head in her hands
when that mistrial was announced.
And Christina, you know,
some of the jurors from this trial
have actually spoken out about what it was like
and about that one juror
that allegedly led to the mistrial.
I know you also spoke to one of those jurors.
Can you tell us a bit about that conversation?
I did.
I spoke to one of the female jurors in this case.
You know, there were nine women
and three men on this jury.
And she told me that there were
some really strong personalities
in that deliberation room
and that from the beginning of deliberations,
a lot of jurors felt really,
really strongly one way or another
and that we know they were in there
for nearly seven days.
So over the course of that time,
they really started talking,
looking through evidence.
And she even felt, she told me,
going into the room,
like she would be a guilty vote.
And then over the course of those discussions,
she started to really feel her mindset shift
and started to feel the weight of what she told me
she thought was her constitutional duty here.
And that if she experienced reasonable doubt,
she felt she had to vote not guilty by reason of insanity.
Which is where she ended up in this case.
And she did confirm the foreperson's note to the judge.
She said there was one holdout juror
who multiple times acknowledged
that they were experiencing some doubt here,
but refused to change their vote to reflect that doubt.
And that's really where they became a hung jury.
And, you know, I think about how you described the jurors
when that announcement came in on Friday
and the judge ultimately said
it's going to be a holdout.
It's going to be a mistrial.
And I think the words that he used were,
I have no choice but to declare a mistrial.
In this conversation that you had with this female juror,
I wonder what she was experiencing in that moment
if she shared that with you.
She shared that she certainly felt disappointed
and that they had all worked really hard
to try and reach a verdict in this case.
I think what was so interesting for me to hear
from her perspective is that she's someone who doesn't,
I mean, she literally said,
I don't watch the news.
I live in my own little happy bubble.
And she thought she was just reporting to jury duty that day
when she got called in.
When she found out the case that she was going to be on,
she knew that she was a perfect juror, essentially.
You know, she really hadn't followed the case at all,
didn't know anything about it.
She doesn't have any children.
She didn't have any personal connection to this case.
So she really came in with a clean slate mindset
and the mindset that she wanted to do her responsibility
as a jury, you know, to hear the evidence
and make a decision just based on the evidence.
But she did say, specifically what really stuck out to me,
what she said was that she said she's never going to be
the same person that she was before hearing the 911 call
in this case and that hearing that changed her life.
Yeah, I think that was one of the most chilling moments.
I don't know about you, but I too feel like
I will never be able to unhear or unfeel
what it was like to be in the court in that moment.
No, I agree completely.
It was horrific.
And, you know, Patrick, you remember Christina actually
like was excused from the room while that call was playing.
Now, all of these weeks later, after we found out
this resulted in a mistrial, we got a statement
from one of his lawyers, David Meyer, and it said,
quote, the loss of Patrick's children is something
from which he will never recover
and from which there will never be closure.
The prospect of reliving this tragedy through another trial
is extraordinarily painful for Patrick, for his family,
and for all of us, end quote.
So Patrick, as you know, Christina,
and we've talked about this for the last few weeks as well.
This is someone who's been subjected to
a lot of online scrutiny,
a lot of speculation about his alleged involvement
in this case, and he actually responded
to some of that controversy as well now.
Yeah, he did, following the declaration of a mistrial.
So another one of Patrick's lawyers, Howard Cooper,
released a statement on Tuesday saying this.
It says, quote, enough is enough.
This spread.
This spread of blatant and baseless falsehoods must stop.
Those responsible should understand
that there will be consequences
and every appropriate measure will be pursued
to hold them accountable, including legally.
Law enforcement has been notified, end quote.
As you can see in that statement released,
his team isn't afraid to take legal action here.
And I also sat down with Kevin Reddington,
Lindsey Clancy's attorney, after the trial
and got his take on Patrick's statement.
Here's what he had to say about that.
The guy's been through hell and back.
He has, as I've said repeatedly,
stood by her during the period of time
dealing with the doctors, dealing with the medications
while she's awake at night in their house,
taking her to doctors, taking her to the hospital,
going to McLean, taking her to,
dropping her off at the Rhode Island hospital,
suicide lines, all of it.
He's been there with her and still stands by her
by way of his testimony.
And it's, I think it's just horrible
what he's been going through.
You know, Christina, something that's interesting to me is
you remember the last couple of days,
even leading up to the possibility of a mistrial,
he was asked about this over and over again
because it wasn't just us, you know,
traditional reporters who were there outside court.
There was TikTokers, there were influencers,
there were people asking all sorts of questions.
I think early on in the trial,
when there was less media coverage,
he did dismiss them in conversations.
But then once it really took off,
and like you said, those content creators were there
asking him about Patrick,
he would always just answer by saying,
you know, I represent Lindsay.
But even on Friday after a mistrial was declared,
I asked him, you know, here's your opportunity.
Do you want to dispel any of those rumors about Patrick?
To which he said he found it so interesting
how people on the internet can take facts from a case
and do their own investigation.
So that's why when I talked to him on Tuesday,
I wanted to make sure to ask him again, you know,
put out this statement calling out these people
do you have anything you want to say to that? And he did kind of walk back those comments there. He
offered sympathy for what Patrick has been through in this case. Yeah. And I think that's such a
through line, right? There's kind of no good outcome in a case like this. And I think it's
safe to say that none of the parties involved actually wanted this to end in a mistrial.
You know, obviously, Lindsay's defense team, Kevin Reddington, really seemed to be like fighting
tooth and nail to avoid this situation. So I want to play some of that emergency appeal to the
Supreme Judicial Court here. This is a member, by the way, of Lindsay's defense team, attorney
Dana Goldblatt, appealing to the justice on Friday. But this one juror is refusing to apply
doubt as the law states. So the refusal to apply something as the law states is different than a
problem with deliberation.
So the juror is acknowledging some kind of doubt and then refusing to follow the instruction about
it. And that is what, which is, I think, when they refer to refusing to follow the instruction,
they just refer to it as refusing to follow what the law states.
Now, this was a pretty short conversation with the justice. Christina, I know you were in the room
for this moment. Obviously, this appeal was eventually denied, but didn't it feel like he
was sort of throwing a Hail Mary here? It absolutely did. In fact, it happened in the
moment where the judge had already said to the lawyers, I'm going to declare a mistrial in this
case. And there was silence in the courtroom as we were waiting for jurors to enter the courtroom
for the formal declaration of a mistrial. In that waiting period is when Kevin Reddington
stood up out of his seat and said, basically, hold on, judge, can you just give me a chance
to appeal this before you declare a mistrial? So it definitely felt like, you know, a lightbulb
moment there and a last attempt to avoid that mistrial. Yeah, I remember talking to some of
our legal analysts.
About that. And so many of them told me, Christina, like we've never seen anything like that. The way
he propped right up midway through the jurors being brought in. It was quite something.
So, look, the trial has formally ended. Judge Sullivan announcing that there's going to be
this status hearing on September 29th at 9 a.m. So what do you expect we'll hear then?
So that's really. There's really going to be a chance for both sides, prosecution and defense, to discuss next steps
with the judge. And there are three possible outcomes after the mistrial. So first, the case
could be retried on either the first degree murder charges or a lesser charge if the DA chooses.
Second, the defense could negotiate a plea deal with prosecutors. Prosecutors would have to offer
that as an option. And third, the prosecution could choose to drop the charges altogether.
Now, as we mentioned, I sat down with Kevin Reddington after the mistrial announcement,
and I was able to ask,
Tim, if there was ever a plea deal that he would consider. And it's pretty interesting
what he had to say. I would not plead Lindsay Clancy to a day in jail.
And why is that? Because she doesn't deserve jail,
because she was sick and because she doesn't deserve jail. I couldn't live with myself if
she had a day in jail. So ultimately, it is up to the DA's office, the district attorney,
Tim Cruz, to decide where the trial goes from here. And until that decision,
what's going to happen now is that Lindsay will return to the state-run mental health facility
where she's been since February of 2023 until a possible retrial happens or whatever next steps
are taken. And I know you were talking about DA Tim Cruz, and we actually heard from him on Friday
after the mistrial was announced. Here's some of what he said to the press.
I do know that one of the questions that are out here right now regarding retrials,
I will let you know that there'll be no decisions made today regarding that.
I'm going to be meeting with our team, and we will address this,
this case, further at the appropriate time in the context of an official court proceeding.
So you'll not get an answer on that question today.
The facts are Lindsay Clancy killed her three children, and the evidence suggested to us that
she was in control of her actions when she committed those homicides. Our court system
is built to weigh our views with those of the defense counsel and bear out whether a defendant
is guilty or not guilty. We did our part, and I'm proud of the part of the work that we did
in this prosecution.
Because this case is not about a healthcare system, or about how women are treated in it,
or what's diagnosis there are in the DSM, or what there are not. Those are all important issues.
They stir up emotion, and sometimes they stir up anger. This case, however, was about Lindsay
Clancy and what she did on January 24th, 2023, and the cruel and calculated killing of three
innocents.
So he said he hasn't decided where they're going to go.
to take this trial yet, but they do seem to be sticking to some of the arguments that we heard
throughout the first trial. He had the same talking points in his press conference as the
prosecutor made in her closing argument in the case, even suggesting that the entire conversation
around mental health brought up by the defense is just a distraction and shouldn't actually be
the focus of this trial. So based on his statements there, it certainly sounds like
he's not in the position to drop charges against Lindsay Clancy. So it'll be interesting to see
what comes next.
Yeah, and I mean, it does seem like Tim Cruz feels really strongly about seeking justice for the three
Clancy children, whether that means going for a guilty plea, or as you say, retrying the case.
We'll have to keep an eye on how that plays out and what he says about that. But Reddington,
he's been making a few moves of his own in the meantime. He had an appearance on Good Morning
America this week, where he actually requested a pardon for Lindsay from President Trump. I mean,
is that even. Possible, Christina?
No, it's not possible, which was why it was so interesting to hear him say that. So this is a
state trial. Lindsay Clancy is facing state charges, not federal charges. And for that reason,
President Trump would not have the authority to pardon her. As we've mentioned, I spoke with
Kevin Reddington. Kevin Reddington is aware of this fact, but he acknowledged in his interview
with me that he knows President Trump has a lot of clout, his words, not mine. He noted that Tim
Cruz is a Republican, and he hopes that perhaps President Trump could persuade Tim Cruz to drop
the charges against Lindsay Clancy. Reddington said he was open to help of any kind. We have
learned that President Trump apparently has been tuned into this case. He was asked about it on
Friday after the mistrial and made statements saying that it's a terrible situation. So when
Kevin Reddington heard that President Trump knew about this case, he decided to make an appeal to
him.
This is so interesting to me because I remember, as I'm
sure you do too, Christina, that moment where we all found out together that the president had
commented on this case. And I think we were all a little bit gobsmacked. I mean, it is a huge case.
It feels like it's a big deal. And being there covering it, you know, you feel all the feels,
but you're so in it that it was kind of an incredible moment to say, wow, the president
is tuned in, is plugged into this.
It was shocking, for sure.
Yeah. And I think it really spoke to the public response to this trial in
general because it's been so intense. You know, Lindsay's supporters, we saw them outside the
court many times wearing pink shirts. You know, a lot of them had pink nail polish,
pink bows in their hair, things like that. Talk to me about what you observed.
Yeah. I mean, we knew there was there was this one day of trial, right, where there was this
large rally of people there in support of Lindsay. That day really stuck out to the point where the
judge actually spoke to jurors individually after that rally happened outside the courthouse. After
that, and
you were there, you saw there was like a smaller group of Lindsay Clancy supporters who showed up
every single day. And the day of the mistrial, the line to get into the courtroom from the general
public was so long that not everybody got inside every single time. And many of those people were
there in pink, which is the color they decided to wear to show their support for Lindsay Clancy.
And they stayed lined up just trying to get a seat in the courtroom for that moment
all day, which it was really interesting to see.
And I think that it was also interesting to see sort of the divisive nature of this story of Lindsay
Clancy's story, because we saw the women that showed up in the pink shirts. And then a couple
of days later, we started to see the women that showed up in white clothing, women who said that
they felt like the three children were overlooked in the reporting of this story. And don't forget
that the women got in fights with one another about the case outside of the courthouse, like
on the plaza of the courthouse.
And I think that's a really interesting thing to see. And I think that's a really interesting thing
multiple times while the jury was in deliberations. There were women who were
fighting about the facts of the case. Yeah. And people showing up with posters and signs and all
of those things. It just feels like people felt very emotionally connected to this trial.
Absolutely.
I wonder, Christina, how you're thinking about if this were to play out again, would she get
a fair trial, especially when you consider the intense reaction that we saw? I mean,
how would they find jurors who don't know anything or don't have an opinion or reaction to this?
I mean, it'll be hard, right? This isn't the first Massachusetts case I've covered in recent
years that ended in a mistrial and then was retried. And we've talked about this before.
I cover the Karen Reed case here in Massachusetts in 2024 and 2025. It was hard to find a jury for
that case the first time, and it was even harder the second time. But they did it.
I mean, the court can call in hundreds and hundreds of jurors
for jury duty and question them at length in order to find the right people to sit on a jury.
And certainly they exist. I mean, while so many people were tuned into this, not everyone was,
and there will still be people who are able to separate what they've seen online from their
ability to make a fair decision, but it certainly will take longer to find jurors.
So I think everyone's wondering now, like, what happens next here? Obviously, we're all waiting
for that September 29th hearing, but is it possible the DA would come forward before that
and announce their plans? It's possible, but it's unlikely. And the reason is because DA Tim Cruz
actually said in his press conference that he'll be announcing any decisions about a retrial
in the court of law, not in the court of public opinion. So I wouldn't be surprised if we find
out the next steps in that hearing on September 29th and not beforehand.
And I'm just curious as well, because I know you have a legal background, Christina,
what would be the reasoning, do you think, for the DA not to come forward right away and say,
we're going to retry this case, as I think a lot of people assumed would happen when he came
outside court on Friday after the mistrial was official? Well, not to bring up the Karen Reed
case again, but in that case, when a mistrial was declared due to a hung jury, the DA came out
immediately with a statement within a couple hours saying that they intended to retry the case.
And the DA, this was in a different county, got a lot of pushback.
A lot of pushback for not looking at maybe some failures in the prosecution or room for
improvement or to see if anything should be done differently. So in a case like this, there's a lot
to consider, as we've mentioned. You know, DA Tim Cruz doesn't just have to consider whether to
retry, but it's what to retry on. Does he want to keep those first degree murder charges, which
mandates another jury trial in Massachusetts? If it's first degree murder, there's no option for
a judge to decide this case. So there's more that goes into the decision.
So I think the district attorney is probably choosing to take the time before announcing that
decision. It definitely signals some kind of contemplation on the side of prosecutors. And
I think we have a bit of a clip here to play from what Tim Cruz said on Friday. So let's listen to
that. I understand that this has been an emotional trial for everybody. It's emotional for the
Duxbury community. It's even emotional for you members of the media. But in the end, I bring it
all back.
To the child victims in this case, Cora, Dawson, and Callen, this was and has always been about
getting justice for those three little babies. And something that Cruz really mentions there is
the children, the victims, right? You know, despite all the social media commentary,
the speculation, the dueling arguments here, at the heart of this case, this is about three
little children who lost their lives. Can you just talk about what it was like for you,
Christine? I know you're a mother as well.
Yeah, and I actually became a mother over the course of covering this case. So back when I
was there reporting on the breaking news at the crime scene when these deaths happened back in
2023, you know, for me, I was just newly married. I didn't have kids. I was just there as a part of
my job. But it was one of the most heartbreaking crime scenes I've ever been at. I've never seen
police officers so emotional at a crime scene the way I did that night. You knew something really
serious had happened just because of that. And I think that's a really important part of the
of the looks on first responders' faces. And then over the course of time, you know, pre-trial
hearings, I became a mother myself. I have a one-year-old at home now, and it didn't change
the way I cover this case at all. But certainly hearing some of that evidence, it's heartbreaking
for anybody to hear that 911 call and to hear the descriptions of what happened to those little kids.
But it's hard as a mother to not
to not
to not
to not
to not
connect to, you know, the experience of being postpartum and really feel touched by some of the
descriptions of what happened that night.
Yeah, it is uniquely such a difficult story because, as we've said, the victim's family is the
defendant's family. And I don't think that there was ever going to be a good outcome here. And I've
heard this from so many people, you know, we've been talking to is just there are so many questions
still about what justice is supposed to look like.
In this kind of situation. Christina, thank you so much. It's been such a pleasure to lean on you and to report alongside you. And it appears as though we might be back to do more of that. But thank you so much for joining us this week.
It's true. Same to you. And thank you again for having me.
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The jury in the Lindsey Clancy trial deadlocked after 36 hours of deliberation, resulting in a mistrial declared by Judge William Sullivan on September 4th.
The defense appealed to the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court to remove a single juror who refused to apply reasonable doubt, arguing the juror’s refusal reflected bias against people with mental illness, but the appeal was denied.
Despite the mistrial, the prosecution maintains that Lindsey Clancy killed her three children in a calculated act, and the case will now proceed through a status hearing on September 29th, with possible outcomes including a retrial, a plea deal, or dropping charges.
Summary:
The trial of Lindsey Clancy, accused of killing her three young children—Cora, Dawson, and Callen—ended in a mistrial after a hung jury failed to reach a unanimous verdict. The 12 jurors, including one who repeatedly acknowledged doubt but refused to vote not guilty by reason of insanity, could not agree on a verdict, leading Judge William Sullivan to declare a mistrial. Defense attorney Kevin Reddington appealed to the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, seeking to remove a holdout juror, citing concerns about bias against individuals with mental illness, but the appeal was denied.
In the courtroom, several jurors, particularly women, expressed emotional reactions to the outcome, with one noting that hearing the 911 call fundamentally changed her perspective and sense of duty. The case remains emotionally charged, with public reactions deeply divided: supporters, often wearing pink, gathered daily to show solidarity, while others, in white, expressed concern about the children’s absence from the narrative. Although the prosecution insists the case is about justice for the victims, not mental health debates, District Attorney Tim Cruz has not committed to a retrial and will only announce decisions in formal court proceedings.
The defense has expressed no interest in a jail sentence, citing Clancy’s illness, and has even requested a pardon from President Trump—though this is legally impossible. With a status hearing scheduled for September 29th, the next steps remain uncertain, but the case continues to provoke intense public debate and emotional responses. Mental health resources are provided for those affected by trauma or crisis.
FAQs
The jury could not reach a unanimous verdict, with one juror repeatedly expressing doubt but refusing to change their vote, resulting in a hung jury. Judge William Sullivan declared a mistrial after the defense filed an emergency appeal to the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.
The defense argued that one juror showed bias against individuals with mental illness and refused to apply reasonable doubt as required by law, claiming this violated the defendant’s constitutional rights.
The defense claimed she suffered from undiagnosed postpartum psychosis, exacerbated by 13 psychiatric medications, which impaired her ability to control her actions and thus should not be held criminally responsible.
The case could be retried on first-degree murder or lesser charges, a plea deal could be negotiated, or the prosecution could drop all charges. The decision rests with District Attorney Tim Cruz.
Yes, the prosecution emphasized that the case is about justice for the victims and stated they are not pursuing charges related to mental health diagnoses, indicating a strong intention to potentially retry the case.
Strong public support for Lindsey Clancy emerged, with supporters wearing pink and protesting outside the courthouse, while others expressed concern about how the case was being reported, creating a highly polarized environment.
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