Lightning Round! with Chelsey Weber-Smith

Being pressured to do scary things makes me feel included. Why is there always a gnat in my wine? A gnat? Yeah, every time I drink wine, within five minutes, a gnat decides to die there. I don't know if I can tell the difference between a gnat and another winged insect. The gnats are the really little ones that love to fly into my glasses of wine. Yeah, okay. All right. I'm looking at a chart. Okay. Yeah. Okay, sure. They're really tiny. It's not like having a fly in there. That would be really gross. And of course, an Alanis Morissette song. Of course, of course. Rather ironic, if you will. Nothing more ironic than a bug in your wine. Yes. Is this our cold open? Chelsea, who the fuck are you? Sorry. Sorry for swearing, kids. I am a gnat. I am a big gnat. You are a gnat. You're the gnat in the wine glass. You're the bay leaf in the potato salad. I'm the gnat of the podcasting world, buzzing around. Looking for some fruit in your kitchen. I would love some wine, though. I wouldn't mind being consumed in a wine glass currently. In your next life, you can come back as a gnat in my wine. Yeah, that would be, I would be fine with that. Yeah. Nice short. Short life, you know. Nice easy. Yeah, you're born, you fly into my wine, you pass away. Yeah. Probably pretty drunk. It's fine. But to me, it would seem like an eternity because all I have is my own context of time. That's an interesting idea. Yeah. Did you ever read, one person, when I say this will be like, yes. Did you ever read, there's this Ursula Le Guin story. This was in this collection called The Compass Rose. It is called The Author of the Acacia Seeds. I remember my mom buying this book for me when I was 13. She was like 13 years old and getting in the car with her outside pals, which is a wonderful bookstore, but is much more of a gift shop than it used to be. Sure. In the 90s, it was really like a warehouse with a bunch of yellow books in it. Yes. And it was so much better that way. Yeah, yeah. You know, because it's nice for things to be new and shiny and well-organized and have polite people working there. But at what cost? There are limits. Ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha. Well, you know. I do. I do. We've ruined everything here. Yeah. But I remember sitting in my mom's car on a summer's day. She drove, I don't know which direction on Burnside, but, you know, back towards our house. I should know this. A lot of detail. I would say east to get on the freeway. This is like a fiction writer when it's like way too much detail. They're like, we passed 123 Sycamore Street. I really struggle with that. Yeah. And I remember reading this story and it was just such a beautiful moment of like, my mom was like knocking it out of the park when I was 13 with presents, I think. 13, 14. Sounds like it. Because she was like, oh, she's depressed. So she bought me my first Leonard Cohen album when I turned 14. Wow. Yeah. Love that. Yes. We just love your mom here in podcasting. We love, in this house, we love my mom. Yeah. But anyway, what about your frigging story? What? What about my? My frigging story. All right, Chelsea. Let's get there, Sarah. We were heading down Burnside in July 2001. We had no white onions because of the Spanish-American War. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. That was back when Nichols had bees on him. Give me five bees for a quarter, he'd say. Because that was the style at the time. Um, okay. But anyway, yes, I remember reading this story and just that moment in time. And it's a wonderful collection of stories by Ursula Le Guin that are just sort of like speculative fiction, as we would call it today, in the most sort of like nimble and weird and feminist way. And the first story is about like, it's this theoretical academic paper about discovering poetry written by an ant on seed husks and like their interpretation of like what this worker ant is. Who secretly wrote poetry was trying to say. Wow. I know. Wow. That is a very you story. And I was like watching this ant like maybe today or maybe yesterday, like walk across a log at the beach carrying this big ass thing. And I was like, revolt. You can turn around. You don't have to bring that to the queen. You can be free. Don't do it. You can eat your crime yourself. But ants don't want to live alone up there. You know, we have to live with that. They don't want to be rescued. The ants. And then I Googled, do bugs have brains? Do they? Probably little tiny ones, right? Yeah. Little tiny brains. Yeah. Yeah. Great. That was my day at the beach. Perfect. But that is a lovely story. I do love that. Yes. Everyone should read it. It's called The Compass Rose. It's great. OK, so, Kelsey, what we're doing today is a little quiz. It is the summer. It is hot. Some of us are having thunderstorms and lightning. Not in the Northwest, really. Sadly, we don't really have that hardly ever here. Mm hmm. Once in a while. And as we were recording this, I hear I hear Chelsea that I feel like Johnny Carson, that the temperature in Paris, France is one hundred and ten. Oh, yeah. Weird, wild stuff. Yes. Weird, wild stuff. I do feel like you've taken on a completely new tone. Pretty crazy. That old climate change. It's just it's a scary time. And I am amazed at how close Ursula Le Guin got to the truth of how time has passed and that things that we used to know continue to exist but are melting, interestingly, literally and figuratively. Yeah. And so that has nothing to do or maybe it has something to do with today's episode, which is like, OK, this is my rationale. I realize subliminally is that it's hot. There's lightning. We're going to have a lot of lightning. We're going to have a lightning round episode. I have 20 questions for you. We're going to give you one point per question. Oh, OK. Some are going to be easier. Some are going to be harder. But I don't want to make it complicated for myself to score you. OK. All right. Because it's been a long semester. Oh, dear. OK. All right. Are you excited? I'm excited. I love lightning. Me too. So I'm going to carry that in my heart. And we had a rainbows episode. So. But yes, I do feel nervous. Because I did not exactly know what this was going to be like. And now I'm being quizzed. And I do feel like this is a pop quiz. It is a pop quiz, which is the most fun way to say that. So I'm sweating. I'm pulling my collar right now being like, ooh. Well, no, but I'm excited. Good. Yeah, you're going to do great. I don't have anything to be embarrassed about. I get zero points. No, you don't. At least I'm fun. I always have that. You are fun. Thank you. So I won't be surprised if you get zero. But let's do it. Do you? Do you want to decide what the kind of scoring scale is? I mean, I was thinking that if you win, if you get like 15 to 20 points, you can make me high five you while you have one of those little gunpowder things that you talked about in the firecrackers episode. And I will do my second least favorite thing. Something involving a loud sound. Ooh, interesting. First least favorite thing. Crowds. I like, I like that my winnings are your punishment. I thought you might enjoy that. I actually do. Yeah. But for anyone who did not listen to our fireworks episode, what is Sarah is talking about is that my brother Riley, who's our associate producer over at American Hysteria, and I invented this game with those little poppets, which you guys may know as those little tiny like white bags of I think gunpowder that are like twisted at the top. I saw them at Safeway yesterday. Yeah, they're everywhere. They're everywhere. One of the only fireworks that like I think you can get them everywhere. Hopefully they're made out of something safer than that. But who knows? No, I don't know. Just are. They probably just are. But my brother and I invented putting like about three of them between each of your fingers and then high fiving each other. Oh, my God. Doesn't hurt. I'm not doing three. But it does sound awesome and it looks awesome. Oh, my God. Chelsea, you brought this to me. I know I want to. I want to. I want to inspire you to do a really great job. OK, well, we'll videotape it if I do win and we will pop it up on the old the old Patreon. All right. I love it. All right. And then, OK, and let's say between 15 and five is a tie. OK. And I think for a tie, you and I should go on a roller coaster. Great. Because that way we're both happy. Like we wouldn't do it anyway. But yes. Well, yes. But it incentivizes us because it's part of a quiz. And then if it's if you get five to zero points, it means you need more. You're wrong about reprogramming, if you will. And it means that we're going to go to a corn maze. That's but that benefits me. I feel like I don't I don't want to listen. Chelsea, I don't wish you harm. I just wish you quiet things. And I was immediately like. Well, it was my idea. Yeah. And I like to be dared to do stuff. It works out for me. Everybody being pressured to do scary things makes me feel feel included but now i'm thinking should i have to buy an american girl doll off ebay and display it in my house you can if you would like to all right no punishment for me i win in every every scenario yeah yeah love it basically perfect okay so we have 20 questions and i think we should set a time limit okay to keep it edgy what do you think 30 minutes i feel about 30 minutes 30 minutes for total or 30 minutes per question 30 minutes total yes yeah that's great should we have a timer per question or is it more like let's just do it overall all right all right yeah and then okay and if you answer this question correctly i will give you 10 extra minutes this first question yes oh shit okay all right okay i'm ready all right what temperature approximately approximately you i'm fucked okay go ahead i guess we'll tell everybody that i grew up watching alex trebek on jeopardy and i love him and i miss him every day so okay approximately what temperature was the hot coffee that stella liebich spilled on herself in the infamous mcdonald's hot coffee case of the 1990s okay approximate temperature approximate temperature i want to i want to say i want to say like oh god like 150 is that way too high no it's not way too high oh shit okay all right is it like i'm gonna give you another chance i want you to go higher all right i'll go higher i like don't know how temperature burned but i know that she was much maligned i'll say 200 that's very close it was estimated at 180 to 190 degrees oh boy because that was the temperature the mcdonald's was keeping coughing at at that time for some reason if there was a reason for it i forget it but you could learn about it if there is one in our previous episode the mcdonald's hot coffee case it's great definitely listen to that one thank you chelsea oh i mean that story is just so wild yeah okay i guess we have to keep going i guess we can't be chatting well i do want us to chat we don't have to take this so seriously that we're not chatting oh fuck so much is at stake okay all right okay i'm ready though i'm gonna give you 40 minutes because you were very close to the actual temperature you said 200 it was 180 to 190 and because you said kind words about stella all right let's go okay we all know i hope that in the 1994 olympics in lillehammer norway tanya harding and nancy kerrigan were competing for the united states in the figure skating competition in ladies singles who won the gold in ladies figure skating that year oh it's like i want to say nancy but i feel like maybe she got second but i don't know any i won't remember the other person's name so i'm gonna go nancy she did come in second she won the silver medal okay well at least i knew that you did know that what who is it the winner of the gold that she was competing for ukraine yep she had some fun numbers she did like a swan ballet thing which was very pretty for her exhibition and she had like a wore a lot of marabou i think and had like a broadway medley nancy interestingly people don't talk about this enough skated to a neil diamond medley for her long skate and i think maybe possibly her short program as well what a surreal thing and it was beautiful yep yeah is the thing and it included a lot of jonathan livingston seagull oh i need to re-watch these i recommend them they're very interesting and to sort of watch that night of skating in sequence is fascinating it's it's an incredible drama yeah she fought through man yeah they both did in their own way you know in their own way absolutely you know it's it's complicated so yeah the gold went to oksana byul and what's interesting about that is that this is before they were using instant replay and figure skating judging i guess have these judges trying to like do their best to see what was going on as it was happening and so there was some controversy over the fact that while landing a jump oksana byul like had two feet on the ice at a moment i'm pretty sure when she wasn't supposed to oh and one of the judges arguably graded her in such a way as to imply that he hadn't seen that happening because it would be really easy to miss it because it was at the opposite end of a giant skating rink and it was like one little i think like possibly even just a toe down where it shouldn't have been for like a split second you know do you think he had like a motive for doing that or do you think it was like an honest difference in i think it's just as easy to make the honest mistake and probably easier yeah totally i would be very interested to hear a broader expose about bribery in the skating world because it does happen i think probably more than any of us would like to believe yeah i mean it happened when i was a kid in softball we played this one game and there was a ump that was and we were in like i was in select softball so we were like i had like traveled i never knew this that's exciting yeah and the umpire was obviously biased there was like this team that like they were like the best team and they were always like in these really fancy uniforms and they always played i won't fucking call them out but their name was blank west like their town name and then west and so they'd play wild wild west when they came on the field and it was so annoying and the ump was calling for them and i was just up on the fence in the in the pen just being like what are you doing like they were like everyone was like calm down and we were just like jeering and we were so pissed so it even happens at that low level of sporting yeah and i'll never forget my rage how old were you i'm going with 11 that's nuts what is the point in racketeering around 11 year olds sports teams dude that that team like there was it was dark there was a lot of dark stuff about blank west oh no anyway so uh who knows who should have won that that skating competition but yeah good for her good for everyone it could just as well have been nancy yeah and from a certain perspective i.e my perspective it really should have been yeah yeah okay you did great i'm gonna give you half a point for that i'll take it yeah because you knew that nancy came in second and then you second guessed yourself but that's okay yeah okay name three trials of the sanctuary i can do this these are trials like from the 20th century through today that have been called the trial of the sanctuary in the media or by pundits or lawyers at the time of which there have been like at least a couple dozen so many leopold and lobe nice i'll do oj i'll do okay let's see i know so many that i feel would qualify i thought i would get this so easy you got two immediately let's go menendez brothers i can't confirm that based on my research but i'm willing to believe that you know okay let's see what about what about uh lizzie borden well okay let me tell you something interesting i'm going to go with lizzie borden i'm going to go with lizzie borden because it's interesting i believe based on a couple of sources i read that the first application of this term and i think 1906 1907 was to the trial actually two trials because the first jury deadlocked which i can't remember if that's different from a hung jury but it didn't work out so they had to have a second one but the trial of harry k thaw for the murder of stanford white to defend allegedly the honor of his wife evelyn nesbitt okay which happened again 1906 1907 so that is like arguably by some the like first kind of like use of that term at least in print that people have found in the record right no that's very interesting yeah farther back closer to that period maybe i know but menendez has been called that by the way we could quit now well also here's another one i'm gonna pitch yeah i'm gonna pitch also um patty hearst trial the sla yeah again i don't i know it's hard to count them all because right yeah because there's tons that i haven't uncovered because it's like at least one person in the media has to call it that and then it's like i just i come across it so often and everything but tell me tell me the year again of the first one 1906 or so 1906 well we just did an episode about bell gunness which i believe was called the trial of the century uh well no because i didn't nope that's not right but that was right bell gunness was like a serial killer woman who killed through personal ads which is a very interesting story you can join our patreon to learn more oh but can i tell you a couple yes just go ahead go ahead yes well okay so leopold and lobe and oj are two big ones and when you think about them and the leopold and lobe case was a murder committed by two young men like early 20s i believe who felt themselves to be very intellectual and wanted to commit the crime of the sanctuary couple of uber mench menches yeah uber men yeah that yeah to their private belief yeah and also there was some degree of romantic and sexual entanglement going on there kind of a one-sided romantic thing very sadly very sadly history could be different because you should never be driven to violent crime by someone who doesn't like you just think of scream one but it but usually it probably does go that way yeah it was very scream one and that's the thing this relationship has been depicted and spoofed in media for a really long time and sort of this very influential cultural moment because there were more mega narratives back in the 20s people followed this trial on the radio every day it was kind of a precursor to oj and that's one of the uniting factors here is that oj also was broadcast you could watch it every single day yeah for the entirety of it you could watch it condensed it was like an extremely televised trial and it kind of was like the soap opera to end all soap operas in a sense absolutely yep and yeah so when you have something that's called the trial of the sanctuary i think often like one of the themes that appears in common is that it's something that the public is led in on in a big way and feels i don't know that it's a big narrative that signifies themes in american life right and the trials we're looking at and also that people have access to it so we have the scopes trial oh yes yes yes yep the monkey trial the trial of sacco and vanzetti is an example that i think that label has been applied to a lot and also on just like a criminal and on a domestic murder wife-aside trial, we have the trial of Sam Shepard in the 1950s. - Hmm. Okay. Yeah. Yep. Very interesting stuff. I love-- I just-- I just so often am doing research, and it's like, "It's the trial of the century." And I'm like, "Add it to the pile." Like-- - People love to say that. - I know. I know. Yeah. Here's a fun one. "In Rosemary's Baby--" And by the way, we're giving you a point for the Trials of the Sanctuary question. So you're doing great. I believe I deserve it. Thank you. Yeah. - Oh, yeah. You really do. - Mm-hmm. Okay. "In Rosemary's Baby, the novel by Ira Levin, why does Rosemary's husband make a deal with the cast of Vets, - AKA the Satanists, next door?" - Ugh. I'm not gonna get this. Um. - Well, try and guess. - Is it different than the movie? No, it's the same. - Um. - It doesn't matter. You can-- you can just think about the movie. I know, but I haven't seen the movie in so long. Um. Uh. It doesn't have to do with the-- I don't know. Well, why don't you guess something? Ugh. I'm supposed to be a horror fan. - - You're doing great. Does it have to do with the baby wanting a baby? Does it have to do with money? It has to do with neither a baby nor money. - Isn't that interesting? - It is interesting. Does it have to do with, like, property? Nope. It has nothing to do with material gain. Okay. Which I think is very interesting. Is it just for them to, like, stop being fucking weird? No. I-- Do you want me to tell you? - Yes, just tell me this is embarrassing. - Okay. Okay, so the great thing-- I thought I couldn't be embarrassed, but I can. You're doing great. One of the great things about Rosemary's baby that is a little bit subtle, I think, even, is that we establish that this is a couple, especially in the movie, where the real estate is to die for, is that they are doing just fine for money, because we know, especially in the book, that Guy has done this commercial that runs all the time, and so they have plenty of money from that. They rent this amazing apartment and are furnishing it, and so they're doing fine in terms of money, but Guy is an actor, and he really wants to, like, have respect, 'cause he's doing TV and commercials, but he wants to do theater. Right. So he sells his wife and the use of her reproductive organs to the Satanists, not for money or out of necessity or greed, which is somehow, like, more predictable based on the, I don't know, Faustian narratives that we've grown up hearing. Sure. But so that he can, like, be taken seriously off Broadway. God. Horrible. Isn't that so real? It's so real. It's so real and so yucky. It's somehow yuckier than many of the things that I guessed. You know, people are driven mad by the allure of fame, I suppose. Well, and not even fame, necessarily, as much as, like, being taken seriously as an artist, which is somehow more annoying to me. Yeah, it is, 'cause it's like, if you want to be taken seriously, then just, like, do it. Do the serious work. Right. Don't make deals with Satanists. And, like, if you can't get in, like, if you can't get the job, you might not be the best choice for the job, and you're just gonna get it, but, like, make the show suck? Like, is he also asking for the power of, like, being a better actor? Or is it just, like, the, like, he just wants a lane to open up? There might be limits to this kind of thing. -Mm-hmm. -I don't know. -Yeah. -Yeah. But I just find that so embarrassing and, yeah, it's very real. Yeah, the problem with me in horror is I really-- I really max out in, like, the '70s. You know what I mean? Like, I really-- -And that's, like, so few movies. -Yeah. I'm just so anti-old movie. You gotta watch some Hitchcock, man. I'm so. Like, I'm just such a teenager in my taste to this very day. Yeah. You don't want to watch anything in black and white. -Oh, God, no. - I really have very little class. -And that's okay. -Class? -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. -I have it and you don't. And I just know you love Rosemary's Baby so much. -I adore it. -I know. Yeah, but that's okay. I enjoy explaining it, perhaps even more. -I enjoy, like-- -Oh, my God. My refrigerator popped open somehow. It's weird. -I'm just beeping now. Hold on. -That's scary. Rosemary's Baby is here. -Yeah, the baby. -It's in the fridge. The baby is in the refrigerator, being-- waiting to be put in a preheated oven. -Exactly. -Okay, I'll be right back. I put the baby in the fridge. The ritual is almost complete. I can't wait to draw on Sarah's floor. Put that baby on the floor. She's been gone longer than I expected. And I don't know where my joke is going. - -Hello. Hello. I hope to one day be in the woods with you and hear a twig breaking and go, "It's Rosemary's Baby." It's just clomping through the forest. Yeah. That was a little baby on two legs. You've got two little sons. Two little stumpy legs. It would be scary to see an infant walk. -Yeah. -It would be-- -Well-- -Like a very little infant. Unless they were, like, a one-year-old. -Yeah, I see. Okay, yeah. -No, a little and a little-- When does an infant cease to be one? I don't know. I don't know. -I haven't learned that. -Sound off in the comments. They don't have that in the back page of the composition book, you know. How many infants equal one baby? How many toddlers equal a youth? Yeah, that's what I need to know. -Six. -People need to know. Okay. Should I give you any points or a partial point of any kind? No. No. Okay. I'm writing a big X. -I don't like to cheat. -All right. Good for you. And I don't want sympathy. Okay. How many-- We haven't covered this on the show, but for historical topics, our episodes with Dana Schwartz are great. -So good. -How many of Henry VIII's wives did he have executed? - -You have six wives. How many died by execution? Four. -Good guess. -Fuck. - -Okay. I want to say-- Would you believe me if-- Okay, yeah. Take another-- No, no. You go. I want to go lower. Because I feel like the obvious one is, like, he executed them all until there was only one. Right. Because that's what kids believe. -But it feels like-- -Because-- Because kids are always talking about the Tudors. -I know I was. -Yeah, of course. And I should know this because I'm British, and my family's probably, like, so mad at me. Do you-- Are you-- When you're saying he executed them all until there was only one, are you imagining he had many simultaneous wives? No, I just mean, you know, he just wanted-- He wanted a son, so he was, like, plowing through the wives -trying to get the son. -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Because he wanted to divorce someone, right? -Yes. -That was the whole thing. That happened a couple times. Okay, so I'm going with two. -Yes, that's correct. -Okay. Okay. Yeah, two executions. Fantastic. Thank you. Half a point. The mnemonic you can use to remember it, which is fun, is "divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived." Wow, I love that. He had six wives. Three of them were named Katherine, two of them were named Anne. Oh, yeah, there was only, like, five names. Yeah, so, you know, "divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived." Boy, I really feel that I should know that, but I do love that-- I love that device, and this is a really humbling day for me. Aw. I think you're doing-- look, you got that one. I think you're doing really good. Yeah, I got second guess. It's all right. It's all right. That's still impressive, you know? A lot of people would have said six. -Thank you. Yeah. -Yeah. Yeah, and I want everyone to be so nice to me. Everyone has to be really nice to Kelsey. They're being very brave today. I'll quit podcasting. I'll quit. - I'll quit right now. - I'll set the building on fire. The wives of Henry VIII were Catherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, Anne of Cleves, Catherine Howard, and Catherine Parr. And may they rip in peace. Yes, may they rip a brewski. We could do like tutors for newbies or something sometime. I think that could be fun. That is fun. Yeah. Okay. What was the first year that a woman officially competed in the Boston Marathon? Oh, my God. Oh, God. How could I know this? I don't know anything about marathons. I don't know, but you can guess. We did an episode on marathons. We called it Marathon Women. Can you tell me when the Boston Marathon started? The 20s or something? I don't know. A long time ago. Okay. Okay. Back when we were having our very first trials of the century. Okay. So probably the 20s it started because my guess was going to be the 20s since there was so much like, you know, women were biking. And shit. But they probably weren't letting women into competitions. So maybe I want to say 68. Okay. You're very close. The answer is 1972. Okay. See, I was, you know, 72 was honestly actually in my head. And I was like, is that a little too late? Yeah, you were super close. But you know, that's always how it is, right? It's always later than you think. Yeah, the first woman to register to compete and be allowed to compete in the Boston Marathon was me. Okay. I feel like I said Marathon. Marathon? Yeah. Chelsea, I've just ridden a marathon. I've had a marathon day at the firm, Chelsea. I love this character. Let's see. Chelsea, I'm your British house husband. Chelsea, I've made you some pasta. I always think of Degrassi when people say pasta, because there's this like moment. I know, but where Spinner, who's just like the dumbest guy on the planet, is like, yeah, he's like. Oh, poor Spinner. Yeah, what an idiot. We have to have your mom's pasta or something. I wish I were the exact one. It's one of the wonderful things that Brits and Canadians share is saying pasta that way. I love it. It always surprises me. I love you guys. Yep. Hail to the queen or whatever. I don't acknowledge the new guy. Bloody thing. Those big old sausage rakers. This is like a. Family feud. We're going to have to cut, take time off your clock because I'm laughing so much. You ever see the family feud blooper where the question is, during what month of pregnancy does a woman begin to look pregnant? And the contestant says, September. And Richard Dawson can't stop laughing for like a couple of minutes. That is really funny. I love that. I love family feud bloopers. Wait, who was the host at that time? Richard Dawson from Hogan's Heroes. Okay. All right. Who kissed everyone, including minors, I'm pretty sure. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. Fire beware. Oh, I'll give you a bonus one. Ooh. Is it true that in an episode of Chuck Berris' The Newlywed Game, a contestant, when asked the question, this is verbatim, what's the most peculiar place you've ever had the urge to make whoopee? Is it true that one contestant said, in the ass? I think it is. Yes, it is. That happened. Yeah, it would be a really amazing question. It would be a really amazing question for you to make up on the spot and have the answer be false. Well, it was like an urban legend for a long time, and people kind of presumed it to probably not be true. And then someone was digging through all this footage. Oh, yes. And found it. And it's like the story that, again, was, I think, an urban myth for a long time that, like, Ted Turner had made an end of the world tape that was supposed to play when, like, the nuclear warheads were launched. Or whatever. And it was considered to be sort of like, oh, yeah, who knows? And then, like, an intern dug it up somehow one day. I love that. Yeah. It's so wild how much shit is just, like, lost or in some random box that is so important to our collective knowledge. Sometimes the rumors are very close to the truth, actually. Yeah. And it's a very interesting situation. Collective memory can be a beautiful thing, and it can be a terrifying thing. Yeah. It goes either way. It goes either way, like your personal memory. We're going to give you half a point for the Boston Marathon, and also I should point out, and we talked about this in the episode, that in 1966, Bobbi Gibb completed the Boston Marathon. She ran unofficially on the course while it was happening. And Katherine Switzer registered as Kay Switzer in 1967 and ran the marathon, and also there was at least an attempt to pull her off the course while she was running. Listen to the episode for more. I love her. That's so cool. Yes. Wow. So, and then it took another five years for women to be allowed to enter. Yeah, well, there you go. I would like to say all I did was use cultural and political context clues to come up with that date, so. What do you think about the fact that you could guess that that date was that late, 1972 being the correct answer? It was like we were only kind of creating co-ed colleges and letting people into these educational institutions they were formerly not allowed to be in. And, you know, they're just like, a lot of things were changing in the '60s, so I figured, let's go to the end of the decade, and maybe they're letting someone in, but it is always just, like, three or four years later than I think, like, I'm like, well, it couldn't, it has to be, it couldn't possibly be later than this. Right, it couldn't possibly when I think it should be, as I like to point out, we had put human beings on the moon, men specifically, before women were allowed to run 26 miles around Boston. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I guess they could do that on their own time, and no one would arrest them, but you know what I mean. Okay, who opened Al Capone's vault? Ugh, my darling Geraldo. Your darling Geraldo, exactly. I wanna be like, come back to the light, dude, like, yeah, I don't know. What's Geraldo's deal, Chelsea, in a nutshell? I just, I don't know, I have a big soft spot for him, even though he's done so many bad things. I do too, in a weird way. I know, I don't know what it is. 'Cause he has unbridled enthusiasm. I just, I would give him another chance. And you know, and he's like, confessed to like, some pretty awful stuff, including sexual misconduct, and-- No, I didn't know that. Fuck. I will say this about Geraldo, he was one of the only people who really sold the Satanic Panic card, who then doubled back in a very public way, like, as a large public figure, and said, "I was wrong, I perhaps should not have done all of that." Yeah, I, that was cool. Yeah. Maybe that's part of where my, my somewhat unfounded feelings come from. I think that there's a lot of categories of human nature, and there are people who've done some pretty awful things who are able to admit what they've done. That's something. Yeah, that is something. So yeah, Geraldo Rivera opened Al Capone's vault, it was a live special. There was supposed to be cool stuff in it, and, um, well, there wasn't. It's so shocking to me that they didn't open it. They did it secretly first, to see if it was worth opening and then put on the pageantry. Well, you know, it's TV, it's a pure thing. I know, I just feel like we, we wouldn't do that now, I feel like, but maybe we would. Yeah. I don't know. We would put it on, on a TikTok live. I kind of think it was awesome that there was nothing in there. I think it taught us an important lesson, you know? I do too. You can't meddle with history. Yeah, it taught us that when you have to stage things is probably what it taught us. I guess so. 'Cause we grew up in a TV world where that would be staged. Absolutely, and just, like, that sometimes there's nothing in there. Kind of like that part in Titanic where he opens the vault with the, you know, and there's just, like, a bunch of mud and garbage in there. Yeah, and that references Geraldo in that scene. Oh yeah, there you go. I always am annoyed that he doesn't pull up the sleeves on his beautiful sweater. Ooh, yeah. Fool. Paxton. Okay, let's see. You're doing great. Thank you. Okay. What did you miss out while seeing The Exorcist in theaters? I mean, I'm gonna say, I can't remember specifically, but I think no. I think that that was a publicity stunt, but it's hard to say because it's, like, do we know for certain no one passed out? 'Cause I know it was reported in the papers, but a lot was reported in the papers, especially when it comes to horror movies, because there are, like, a lot of showmen behind the scenes who are-- Right, there's a lot of, yeah, a lot of hype and a lot of-- There's a lot of hype and a lot of, you know, promoters. Which I love, I love, I love it, I love the gimmick. And we've talked about the William Castle gimmicks, and I was just watching one of my favorite MST3K movies, The Screaming Skull, where the gimmick is that if you die of fear while watching the movie, you get a free casket, which I think is quite a savings. I love that. I know, and that is very, yeah, very Castle. Okay, so I always thought that, too, and then I did an episode on The Exorcist, and my guest, Marlena Williams, showed me a clip showing people actually passing out and talking about having passed out during the movie. Okay. And so it did happen, like, not en masse or anything, but it did happen to people, and it is a lot less extreme when you see it-- Sure. --than when you hear about it in a way, because I think it's also, like, people, like, stumbling out of the theater feeling all shaky. And that was a movie-- if people haven't seen it, I do recommend it if horror is your thing, because it's not done in the vernacular of horror. It feels like a normal kind of 1970s, like, drama about a family, and then it becomes-- horror and i think that there was hype around it to the effect that it was so scary that you would feel like you were really seeing the devil totally totally and it's so interesting too because like the idea of fainting is something that i wanted to do an episode with you about that we've talked about like victorian era fainting i would love to talk about faint yeah because i wonder a lot about that and how much that's sort of a social construct about people getting more iron or something yeah and like is like psychosomatic it's weird yeah it's like yeah i mean i guess it would be psychosomatic regardless or the idea of like urge is remaining the same but being shaped by like you know the culture of the times last halloween we just did an episode about like the exorcist with what went wrong which is a fantastic movie related podcast but i really do feel like i should have uh known that because i did a lot of research and i have forgotten but it you know i've done so many of these types of episodes around horror movies and around the pr and hype uh that it all kind of bleeds together yeah oh yeah and history keeps growing and changing but i love every minute of it i just love horror movie fucking publicity stunts i love it i do too that would be i know you've done episodes that are about a lot of that but that that would be a fun thing to return to yeah it would be to kind of like have them all side by side rather than you know episode based yeah yeah okay didn't marie antoinette say let them eat cake well i sure hope so oh yeah i mean i just feel like that's so repeated and it's making me think that the answer must be no or else you wouldn't be asking it i'm cheating no you're not you're being strategic i'm gonna say no yeah you're correct she did not hell yeah it was like a phrase that had been passed around referring to royalty for i think at least 100 years it had been applied to other people it was the kind of thing that like felt true but was not actually true okay so it was being said yeah it was said of other royals before her it was kind of a thing that was i think applied to whatever royal was at hand when the economy got bad which it was very bad yeah during her reign but she also you know and i love antonia fraser's biography of her that you know she's a great writer and this explains it really well i think she's a great writer and she's a great writer and i think that like based on the structure of the royalty that she was in she had no actual power and sort of socially no recognition as someone who should be governing in any way sure sure and interestingly if you read about for example madame de pompadour i think during that time and previously it was more acceptable for the king's mistress to advise on matters of state than for his wife to do so because her job was having babies okay and marie antoinette appears to have been like someone who was a great writer and a great writer and a great writer and a great who like fundamentally had no role in government and had no idea how to fix anything, but was very sentimental and kind to people as individuals, much like Ronald Reagan. I got to bring an old Ronnie Reagan, don't we? Yeah, we always do. That's the only Reagan reference you're going to get. All right. You can give me more. Oh, okay. Well, I don't have any, but maybe I'll find one. Okay. So great. You get a point for that. I get a point for my strategic. Yeah. I mean, I think that that makes so much sense that it's, you know, it's like, weren't you and I at the Lloyd center before it closed in Portland and there was, it hasn't closed yet. It's going to close on August 8th. Please come before it does save the Lloyd ice rink. Okay. We can go have like a back rooms moment. Yeah. Please visit. I loved it there, but no, it was like some ridiculous quote. And then it said that it was a Marilyn Monroe or something like that. And we just immediately were like, ah, it doesn't seem like she said that. And it's like giant painted on the wall. And it's just so funny. Well, every quote has been attributed to Marilyn Monroe at this point. I feel like you could see like a greeting card one day that says like, I think therefore I am Marilyn Monroe, which is so like random that Marilyn Monroe has become like quote queen, the sage of our times. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's like the Buddha. I don't know. Yeah. I'll take it. Okay. Back to Tanya Harding for a second in a televised special on Fox, who did Tanya Harding box in 2002. This is a boxing match between Tanya Harding and another woman. I fricking know what you're talking about. I watched it. Um, tell me how it was. Oh, Oh, I'm not going to remember. It's like, I just actually wrote something about this. Think of the maligned women of the nineties. Can you give me a hint? Okay. Clinton, Chelsea, Oh, you wish. I know. Right. That would be so amazing. Uh, Clinton, was it Monica Lewinsky? No, there's no way. Great guess. I mean, that would be Monica's a little bit too much of an indoor girl for that. I suspect Clinton, Clinton, Clinton. I don't know. I don't think I'm going to get it. Okay. Paula Jones. Oh, wow. Okay. No, I wouldn't have ever, ever guessed that. I don't think, but I did watch it when it came out. How was it? I don't remember. Well, because I came, it was, I was like 12. This has been very informative. Yeah. I'll tell you what, Tanya Harding just dominated in that match. Oh, I bet. Yeah. Cause she was boxing at the time, which is very impressive. Wow. Generally. And also because she had asthma. Wow. And still does. Wow. Paula Jones being someone who was involved in what we in the nineties called a sex scandal, which in this case, meant that she had made credible allegations of sexual assault against Bill Clinton. And so we thought, Hey, let's make him box wild. So very, like you said it was the year 2000, right? 2002, 2002. Wow. Wow. We're going to give you half a point for saying Monica Lewinsky. All right. All right. We did an episode on Clinton and Lewinsky and a little bit of Paula Jones long ago on the show. And you can listen to that one too. I'm giving you some summer recommendations as part of what I'm, I'm after here. Yeah. Revisit these. So good. Speaking of past episodes, we did one on the exploding Pinto. A lot of these, as many of you already know, are with Michael Hobbs, who is, I hope having a day by the pool as we speak. I hope so too. The Pinto is the much maligned alleged exploding car. Listen to the episode, but regardless of how the story goes, I think you can agree. It has nothing on the cyber truck, um, which is made of knives and also, which is on fire. And also that, uh, allegedly raccoons have tried to break into because it looks like a dumpster. Really? That's so funny. What a dumb bitch. I love it. So what year did the Pinto, which is a little economy car go into production? Um, 1970. Yes. What? Yes. Wow. That was a good guess. I'm going to give you two points for that, for how quickly you pulled that out of wherever you did. I knew that like that whole controversy happened in the seventies, but I didn't know when it like went into production. Well, you did great. Yeah. It was first produced in the, in late 1970. The first model year was 1971. If there's one thing I know it's exploding shit. Yeah. Gosh, that's true. Okay. Chelsea, guess what? You have five minutes remaining on the clock. Okay. All right. All right. We're entering the lightning, lightning round. Okay. All right, Chelsea, for the next minute, I want you to name aligned women. Go, uh, Tanya Harding, um, uh, Monica Lewinsky. Yes. Good. Oh dear. Oh, this is where I do not thrive. Uh, this is insane. Oh no. Just breathe being timed. Just let your mind drift through the nineties. Okay. Um, you have 30 seconds. This is so fucked up. Uh, think about various women who were hot back then and are still now. I know. I mean, Britney Spears. Yes. Good. Okay. Great. Great. I'm going back into pop. Okay. Britney Spears. Let's say JLo for that dress. Yeah. Let's say 10 seconds. Uh, uh, Wow. Oh my God. Okay. You can do one more. One more. One more. Put me out of my freaking misery right now. This is so bad. I panic. I panic. Um, JLo. Where did that come from? I know I'm saying like, what was that? Freaking JLo? Like you were, you were trying. I know. You were going for it. I know. We're going to look, listen, Chelsea, we're going to give you three and a half points. Cause I think JLo, might be a stretch. Lindsay Lohan. Yeah. There you go. You know what? Yeah. Mary-Kate Olsen. Mary-Kate Olsen. Mary-Kate Olsen. Mary-Kate Olsen. Yep. Ashley didn't catch any heat. Not yet. I mean, I would say some, but not nearly as much somehow. Okay. You know what? Full point for JLo. I'm going to give you six points. Okay. Incredible. Okay. Make it seem like I did better producers. All right. Okay. Now we've got a couple minutes. I'm going to ask you, how about, well, however many more questions we can do might just be one. Got it. Okay. What year did the first state criminalize stalking the first state in the united states of america criminalized stalking when did stalking become a crime i want to say like 1980 is that like so far off it's not that far off okay it's farther off than i would like though okay i'm thinking then maybe even later like 90 1990 yes 1990 oh great okay that's a half point baby yeah i mean that's absolutely unhinged as most things are when you ask when they started pertaining to women particularly i would say absolutely sexual assault and prosecution thereof and what state would you guess oh what state california yes awesome yep and it was illegal everywhere every state had some kind of a law enforcement system and it was illegal everywhere every state had some kind of law enforcement system and it was illegal everywhere every state had some kind of a law by 1994 it was also criminalized federally i don't know if criminalized is quite the right term but you know what i mean great job guys yeah but yeah before 1990 or before the late 80s we were like go for it go ham just follow women around what bad could come of it so just to say that the rights we have are inalienable or whatever but we need the law to reflect that as well and a lot of things we have are inalienable or whatever but we need the law to reflect that as well and a lot of things let's get out there and have some fun i want to see energy hell yeah and okay all right final question gulp we all know that long island teenager amy fisher once shot long island house wife mary jo but a few co for reasons that we explore in our episode on amy fisher who was very maligned and who was just a teenager yeah and who's surprised was a very maligned teenager and abused by an adult man oh i'd like to add lorena babbitt back to my maligned women oh you just get to add maligned women in whenever you feel like it now okay yeah bob it by the way all right i think of that case whenever i see a big bite container nope you get seven you get seven just for spunkiness you get seven i'm thinking of jamie babbitt famous lesbian director oh yeah uh but i'm a cheerleader right yeah that's right ah what a legend okay many years later mary jo but a few co the wife of joey but a few co the man who had been abusing amy fisher wrote a memoir what was that memoir called i mean i have no idea let's see um i'm gonna come up with like a good memoir name so and it's not like my story my life uh let's see um picking up the pieces that's very good all right what do we got i have no idea okay all right getting it through my thick skull wow why i stayed what i learned and what millions of people involved with sociopaths need to know wow god bless this woman seriously that's cool i would have never got that was a very long title that i wouldn't have gotten but that is oh no i expect of you to divine it with your knowledge of the spirit world but i love it i'm gonna give you half a point for guessing okay chelsea i think you did amazing that's really generous of you and i appreciate that well i had a really fun conversation it was really fun and yeah i mean it's like one of those things where like i research until my soul is like one of those little guys and the little mermaid you know in ursula's cave oh yeah and then i forget it all because i'm not sure if i'm gonna be able to do it again i'm not sure if i'm gonna be able to do it it just don't fit no it don't all fit but i am better at like the context clues like i can use my knowledge of history to pinpoint where i would think that something happened but then if i'm being timed about much maligned women which i care deeply about uh it just all it just it's like it's like there's a towel stuffed in my brain and there's no room i just freak out but thank you this was so fun regardless and very humbling and i'll definitely be back when you want to have me or maybe i'll make up some for you yeah you can go through this you're gonna be good at it though would you like to hear how you did yeah you're gonna be good at it well guess what you're gonna be better than me at it okay but chelsea relax because remember how you had a possible 20 points okay yes you have scored 20 and a half points so that means i win yeah you do and we get to high five with gunpowder in our hands oh fun okay that's great and also i'd like to say sarah if you feel too scared to do it i won't make you do it no i'll do it i promise you'll be okay but then no one gets to pop a balloon around me for the next 10 years it's a rule i don't pop balloons i like to put a pin in them and deflate them gently oh yeah of course i definitely can see that uncle mo my teeth hurt my sooty is too cold yeah go on i feel like i'll pop a balloon if i wanted to be quiet just like with my teeth wow and you just kind of section it off like you do it right at the little the little nipple you're like davy crockett yep that's right born on a mountaintop in tennessee bit off balloons with only his teeth i am the king of the wild frontier that's right that's right yeah kill you a bear when you were only three i like had next door neighbors when i was growing up who were like i don't know i don't remember who had like very christian parents so we were not allowed to watch we weren't allowed to watch rugrats at their house because one time we saw a baby's bottom that's insane that i know i know it was insane it's the same religious kids are being forced to take care of infants all the time no kidding and i know but it's like not a cartoon not not tommy pickles and how many infants equal a baby yeah so we had to only watch that movie the disney oh davy crockett movie wow and yet i remember nothing about it you know i confused davy crockett and daniel boone and it's very confusing because i think they both killed bears probably sounds right so chelsea you have a record setting 20.5 points out of 20 of an a plus what are you gonna do with the rest of your day you were let's say very generous in the points that you gave me and i i think you wanted me to win and i appreciate that i did want you to win what am i doing i'm gonna barbecue whoa that's lovely barbecue some veggie dogs with uh some friends of mine i have some friends here i just got my very first real tattoos from the amazing i'm the only untattooed person on the planet earth yeah i know and it's from my good friend who is an art of incredible artist christopher michael hefner check out his art and he gave me a horseshoe with my with the word grandpa under it and a rose with the word granny under it that was my i just wanted to you know get have memorial tattoos of my two favorite people that are no longer with us so that was a lovely thing i just did and now we're all gonna hang and eat some veggie dogs and a little pasta salad that miranda's gonna make it all comes full circle chelsea what's wrong you have hardly touched your pasta i'm obsessed with being like your hugh grant boyfriend character now i just really love that i like it you're gonna have to be really like bumbling and like very overwhelmed at all times well i think i'm like so upper crust that i i just i'm utterly bewitched by you you sounded a little like cockney just now we need to work on your queen's english i'm just piecing this accent together from like a thousand different midsummer murders has anyone in your family watched midsummer murder i bet my granny did yep yeah my mom has watched every midsummer murder it's about a lovely well adjusted man who investigates murders in tiny english villages which as we all know have eight murders a week generally and he's extremely well adjusted and he has a wife who i think is named joyce and they just have a nice time he's just like well another eight murders sounds boring it's great though there's something i think i assume that this is not just a genre convention but a true thing about the british soul that like when everyone is being murdered around you're like well gotta have a cuppa that's absolutely true in my family we all are yes we are all tea drinkers i mean i think that was basically how world war ii worked yeah absolutely absolutely much tea to be had out of curiosity yes because i would love for you to have me on for an american hysteria light lightning round and ask questions yes of like you know topics that are the kind of thing your show handles and also that have come up in your episodes what is a sample maybe of the questions that you have for me okay okay oh chelsea i love your questions okay all right all right all right let me think oh i got one that you could maybe get because we've both done episodes about this all right what year did the oscar streaking happen oh my gosh oh lord um 1973 i think it was 74 it was 74 yep yes which i say is the year everything happened that is the year everything happened yeah i have a theory about 1974 as a banner year yeah i think that's probably true great so yeah great you were like right there you know i feel like that's a full point it's uncanny really you did a great job thank you chelsea what are you gonna do uh i'm gonna take a big walk and i'm gonna finish lessening to joe mantegna read get shorty oh great yeah you've been doing some great reading lately i've been doing some great reading and i include audiobooks in that which is 90 of my reading audiobooks count don't let anyone tell you they don't they do they have yeah and i'm telling that for people who may think they don't they do i'm a kinetic learner you know what does that mean exactly like i need to be moving i learn better if i'm like moving at the same time yeah me too yes i agree with that it's like learning by doing totally which is not exact i don't know if it's exactly the right word for this but i'm using it yeah yeah take it all right yeah and i i don't know i enjoy doing this with you i it was fun to kind of revisit past topics and think about little bits of them that i find interesting as facts that have been sort of forgotten or misremembered or the type of thing that is easily misremembered and i've been doing this show and you and i have been you've been coming on the show for a long time and the show has existed for eight years now yeah somehow somehow and i love as you know misinformation find so many ways to travel faster and bigger just continuing to talk about stuff with you and talk about facts and also to talk about how we need to give ourselves some credit as people who do get tricked sometimes partly because everyone is trying to trick us yeah yep absolutely and then there's human error and that's a big one too but we're just i don't know i really enjoyed this kind of like nostalgic approach and i love doing shows with you i love the patreon episodes we've done recently on dolls and doll culture it's been really fun and mail we've received from people about things they made into dolls as a kid i also wanted to say just generally to thank anyone who's supporting us on patreon or apple plus which i find awkward to say because it's like apple plus subscriptions and for a long time i did not know where the plus went but to thank anyone who's supporting us on patreon or apple plus subscriptions and for a long time i did not know where the plus went and also anyone who's not supporting us because everything costs 10 million dollars and i'm honored and amazed that we still have people who want to pay to support this podcast and thank you for doing it and also if you have to cancel that's always okay absolutely you gotta put food on your family to quote george w bush you're all stars you're all stars you're on the select softball team of you're wrong about it of blank west have you wrong about west wow i never thought i'd be able to talk about that team publicly you're really breaking boundaries i can only hear that song in a cartman voice that's funny and we take you to the west stay stay away from the lightning strikes chelsea have a good night can't wait to slap palms with you and watch our hands explode oh no thank you sarah thank you chelsea and that is our episode thank you so much for listening and thank you for playing along if i could have one wish it would be to hear all of you listing maligned women for 30 seconds and by the way if you enjoyed our previous episode where we asked you to send in voice memos about what you love we're doing a lot of work on that and we're going to be doing a lot of work on that in the future so we're going to be doing another one like that we have a halloween listener special coming up as you probably know we are a pretty halloweeny show we like to do something to commemorate the occasion every year and this year we decided to ask you for your halloween stories and reminiscences and also for any scary spooky stories that you might have however you interpret that prompt we want to hear wholesome halloween we want to hear what you remember about growing up with whatever halloween is like for you 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