Let’s Talk to Jenna and Kyle From ‘Survivor 50’! | The Pod Has Spoken

ТЕЛЕФОННЫЙ ЗВОНОК ТЕЛЕФОННЫЙ ЗВОНОК -Welcome to a special edition of the pot has spoken where we're going to be doing more special editions this season and eventually they'll become not special because we've done them so much. But right now this is special because it is our first one. We got to talk to both eliminated cast members from last night's premiere. If you haven't seen the premiere of spoilers ahead or if you just come here primarily and skip survivor completely, then go ahead and listen because I know there actually are people out there that do that. And we had a great conversation with them. What, Riley? -Who possibly does that? -Somebody tell us if you do that. -Someone does. -Because I've heard people do do that. They listen to the episodes here. So I don't know. That's just what the word on the street is, Riley. Come on. So, first, we have Jenna, followed by Kyle. -Enjoy. -Okay, we have very heartbreaking but also exciting news because I've been wanting to meet this person, was very excited. And I thought was definitely a must have for season 50. You needed someone from season one, but they couldn't be dead. So that ruled out some people. And they couldn't be so old that physically they couldn't keep up. And they had to have a sharp enough mind that they could adapt to whatever the modern game is now and connect with younger survivor contestants like Rizzo. So when he says words, you can kind of figure out what he's trying to say. The first eliminated last night's premiere, so heartbreaking. Jenna, Lewis, Dottry, did I say that right? I said it right. -Dirty. -Dirty. I said it right on the podcast the first time and I was so confident in myself. -You did. -Gena Dirty. -You did. -How are you feeling today after the aftermath? -I feel fine. You know, I've had eight months to kind of process it. -Yeah, and excruciating eight months of dread wondering what they're doing. -Yes. -What buffoonery they're going to show you how you slipped up. -Is it a relief now? -100%. Yes, it's been like a guillotine over my head. And you worry about like every -- you go back and you think about everything you said and you're like, they could put that and it looks fishy. They could put that and it makes me look dumb. But I have to be honest, they were very kind to me. I think they captured how I felt, which was -- I felt like I was on the bottom from the second I got there. I felt like I had to be scrappy. I felt like there were factions that I couldn't -- I couldn't make headway into. I was trying to pull Joe and Savannah together. But good God, for two new era players, they didn't want to make decisions. Like Joe -- I don't even know what was going on with him. He literally -- he was not in an alliance. He was just like, I don't want to vote for Ciri. I mean, I don't want to vote for Jenna, but I don't want to vote for Ciri. They're like, make a decision. He was not playing fast. These young kids -- I don't think it's a matter of they play faster or anything like that. I really didn't feel that. Well, naming names is like one of the cardinal sins of modern-ish survivor. You can't name a name unless you're like five minutes outside of tribal council. So I didn't. So I didn't. Okay. This is the big thing that I hear. I even said like on every show I've been trying to. This is Christian playing all of you. Christian. And I will sit across from him, put a lie detector test on him, and make him say this. He and I were chatting on the outskirts and he says, we're talking about the tribe. And we're going, yeah, it looks pretty good. We'll do good at challenges. And I asked him like, but Christian, who do you think is a threat then? And he goes, and it's Christian Miley. I'll tell you what. I'm going to sit and whoever I sit next to you, that's who is the one. And then I'll come talk to you. And I was like, okay, he goes and sits next to Ciri. He comes back five minutes later. And his exact words, I go, oh, so Ciri goes, yeah. And he goes, if you let her get to a tribe swap or merge, she'll be lost in the wind. And I was like, okay, this is great. I love this. I have one person that's talking to me about a name, talking to somebody that I thought I felt like was like with Devons and Emily. And I was like, okay, this feels good. So then I was talking to other people about Ciri. But here's what they caught. And I wonder if you caught it Tyson. I did because I knew what was going on. But it shows Christian walking with Devons and he says, I'm Spock, you're Captain Kirk. And he says specifically, I'm going to be the brains. You're going to do all the work. Then it shows Devons going to the water well and telling Ciri that I said her name, which is not how it went down whatsoever. So Spock is controlling Captain Kirk and creating divisions because I think he did not want me to think old school, old school Ozzy and Ciri, like it would have been us three. So I think from day one, he wanted to plant that, like, lever the separators. Do you believe that he had enough power to control the direction? Do you think that maybe everybody else was like Jenna and he was like, oh, I don't have the power to push it to Ciri? No, no, 100%. Because I've talked to them, you know, outside the gate. That's part of the eight months there. And it played out on the TV just like they said. So it was like Emily taking that and saying, Ozzy, we could go, Ozzy, like it was Ciri and then chatting again. It was like, we could do Ozzy. It would break up a duo. And you saw me sitting there chatting with them, going, you don't want to do it. It never works well for the people that are not in the duo. But they really did have Ozzy and Ciri on the board. And me, like, I'm not saying I was in the mix and I know for sure that I was going to be Ciri and Ozzy's vote. You see how I look at him at the water well. So I knew that was going to happen. But I really did believe when I was sitting there and we were talking about Ozzy and Ciri. I really did believe that it would probably be one of them to try to break up that duo. I was really pushing Joe and Savannah. I felt like we were us three were the ones kind of on the outs and they just wouldn't, they wouldn't come together in any sort of cohesion. What, why do you think that is? Do you think it was a hesitancy to put themselves out there or? I think on Savannah's part, I think like her and I, like me knowing that I was going to go and get votes. You know, I felt scrappy. That's what you saw. I mean, like trying to tell everyone why they should be voting someone else. But I think Savannah knew she had a target, a big target as a winner. I don't think she wanted to open her mouth at all. I don't think she wanted to contradict anyone. She wanted to live two more days, which is smart. It should have been something that I would do, but I did feel like from day one, maybe I had a little bit of rapport. I did not, but I think she was just like throw anyone under the bus. I know I have a huge target. I don't hear my name. I'm super happy. I want to ask you one more thing. And you talked about like dreading what the edit would be knowing you're going to get voted out first for eight months. And now, I think in this more modern era, reality TV in general survivor also included does not set out to destroy people in the edit. That being said, you come from an era where that was more present. So how how were those eight months like what did you do to deal with the inevitable fact that you were going to be voted out first on survivor. You said it in the old school. We were like snappy and sassy in our confessionals. So and that's kind of who I am anyway. So I was snappy and sassy about people in my confessionals. So then being voted out person like, oh God, like they could make me look really mean really awful. And so I was dreading that. So when I saw the premiere the first night, I was in tears at the beginning because they wrote a love letter to me at the beginning of that episode. And they didn't have to do that. Like they edited me well. I think they captured what my what my emotions were. I felt like I was on the bottom from the start. I did feel scrappy. I did feel like I was playing hard. But they were very kind, which surprised me because you and I come from an era where that wasn't the case. They wanted sensationalism. They wanted clips. So it was beautiful. Good. Yeah. And you can always take consolation in knowing that a month from now, everybody will forget. Nobody gives a shit. Yeah, somebody else is going to make a mistake next week. And you're going to be out of everyone's minds forever until you come back for season 55. Riley, do you have something for Jenna? Yeah, Jenna, you talked a lot about, you know, kind of getting there and being on the bottom right away. Did you talk to anybody on your tribe before hitting that beach like ever in your life? No, first time. Not once. And I did feel a little, really a little bit of anger when I saw the tribe right down because you've got Ozzy and Zary. Объясли, gonna pair up, they played together twice. You've got Stephanie and Colby, and you hear both of them on the TV on the series. He's like, both of them are like, "I feel so comfortable. I have trust from day one with this person. How good must it feel to start a social game with a friend?" Like Emily and Christian outside of this, he refers to as his very good friend. Well, I wish I would have been able to start a social game with a friend. I had never spoken any of them at all. I adhered to the rules like we got emails daily that was like, "You should not be talking to people." And of course, it was to all of us. So I was like, "I'm not. I didn't fault anyone on social media. Colby was the only person I'd ever spoken to, and I didn't get paired with him. I really felt like I was kind of sacri-faced in that way." Do you have any idea why or what was going on? What in your mind is the reason that you were kind of a loner there because you could have been with Colby, but maybe there was a tribe division of power and strength and evening things out physically, and maybe there's already a bad left ear on your tribe somewhere that couldn't put two bad left ears on the same beach. You know, it's really funny because at the first challenge, we're all waiting, and he's explaining it, and he keeps saying it louder, and Colby goes, "Keep going, I can't hear you. I can't hear you in the back." And I was like, "His ears are so bad." And Serita, and I was putting him down, and I was like, "No, his ears are bad. He's been shooting. He is." Oh, true. Yes. But I think that I don't know if there was a purpose, I think that they're very smart. I think the casting directors and the site department, I think they have a really good knowledge of us. I know that they knew that Christian and Emily were friends. You can see that. They have interactions online. Obviously, they knew Seria and Ozzy. I think they put Seria with Ozzy distinctly so that Ozzy could try to save stories. She would be in any instance, because otherwise pre-merge, she would always be a target, because she literally brings down every single challenge. And I have to tell you, that challenge, it was not like two more minutes for three. It was 20. We sat, and you can ask anyone out there, 20 minutes. We sat and watched the girl try to throw a ball. That's it. Essentially, just throw a ball. No. Like, Jeff was commentating going, "This is the longest I've ever seen." It was that bad. Why did you let her throw the ball? She volunteered. So that's the thing. When we were giving up, who was doing what, Savannah said, "I just did this challenge two weeks ago. I'm really good at it. I did well." And Seria fights for it. I mean, three times. I practiced this. I can do this. This is the one thing I practiced. Oh. Fairly not enough. Like, it was bad. It's an odd thing to focus on practicing that. You can do one thing for a survivor, do a different thing than that. Balance. I always went with balance and swimming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And puzzles. Ashley, what do you have for Jenna? Gosh. I don't even know if I have a question. I just want to let you know that your reaction after, like, tribal was done. And you're like, I don't want any of you guys to win. How about that? It's perfect. You've made, like, survivor history for the new era because it's been nothing. It's sweet, nice, which is also probably why you were having such issues with Joe and Savannah because they're being too sweet, too nice, and not really playing the role. They were playing. Yeah. Do you feel like you should have gone harder on that exit? Like, how much rage in that moment when people are standing up trying to hug you after they've just brought your, yeah, no, I know I saw you dodge the hug when Ozzy tried to reach you. Ozzy tried to. And I was like, but that. And I also am thinking to myself, like, you're a grown woman now, you're not 25. You can't throw a temper tantrum on TV, so I like it's a balance between being real. I think the audience would connect with being real, but then being too bitter. It's okay to be bitter. Jenna, a little bit better mostly about tribe divisions. But I do think Christians that he's a puppet master and they're going to make it like series, social, Christians playing a puppet master game and he's got him all on his strings. He's got Emily on his strings. Devon's on his string. And I think he absolutely has three on his strings. So I'm waiting to see how that plays out. Well, I personally love Christian as a person. So he would probably have me by the strings as well. Before we go, why don't you build your perfect tribe here, Jenna, since you feel like the tribe divisions were not to your liking or your advantage, build us your eight-person tribe with the cast we have. Who would you want on your other seven? Okay. I know one would be Colby. Okay. He's your number one. He's your right dog. Stephanie. Yep, Stephanie. I like her. She's strong. She's old school. Um, Genevieve, Camilla, Kyle, like non-injured Kyle. Okay. You didn't know if that was an advantage just to have him exit. Okay. Get you one step ahead. Just to get one out. Easy. Yep. Um, let's see. I would probably cue. I think I would want cue. Okay. Charlie and I. Okay. Okay. That's a good. That's a good try. It feels like I'd have people that were smarter than me that I could kind of crawl underneath their wing and be like, Genevieve, Camilla, take the reins. Um, they were. Wait. Hold up a second. Are you out on survivor not feeling like you're the smartest person there? I don't know. I think you have to. You saw my pregames. I think you have to go in with like the confidence of a Hollywood Ryan, like Reynolds or Gosling, you have to go in like, you have one of the Ryan's, I can win. Um, but obviously everyone does. So I knew when Christian kind of was, you know, saying that I was like, yeah, he's smart and that's fine. I will try to make that in my, um, I would have absolutely been willing to like, like follow someone around and have them show me the reins until I found my move. But I was just trying to get an in and it wasn't there. Yeah. It's hard. What if, if you wouldn't have lost that challenge, you'd gone to tribal council. What would of your game become with those two or three extra days have helped you? Yes. I was, I think I really could have gotten Joe and Savannah together. They just, I don't think they were seeing the divisions. I think they were kind of like, I guess we'll figure it out the night of and maybe I'll feel like someone will bring me in, especially Savannah. And they just weren't cohesive. I think I would have had a couple more days to get them on board. And then I think we could have played off the Aussie thing like, does he have an advantage while he was out there? Does he have an idol? Do you want to go against Aussie when we merge tribes? So yeah, I think that it would have been a much bigger advantage for me to not go to tribal council for first time. Okay. Too quick. Yes or no questions. Okay. Two years ago, whenever you could first got the casting call, if you would have now known, if you would have known them that you were going to get voted out first, no way to avoid it. You're going home first. Would you still say yes? Yes. Yes. Why? Because I'm a part of 50. Make everyone else jealous that's not there. No, it's because it's been part of my life since I was 22. Like everything I have in my life, it's from a trajectory that survivor put me on. Confidence, who I meet where I live, not being in my teeny tiny New Hampshire town living two houses from my parents, which is probably where I would have been. So I would always come when they call, just to be a part of what they have. And they showed that to me in the beginning of this episode. If I get nothing else from this, I. I saw how survivor saw me and I was very pleased. Okay. And lastly, if they called you for 51, said we're running it back with all 24 players. You can have the tribe you just built. You had not in two months. Yes. Okay. Jen is ready to go again. Wow. Wow. That eight months of torture didn't do enough for you. I guess she's still hungry. Everybody. Jen. Obviously a glutton for punishment. I guess so. You probably also need a vacation more than Mike White. I mean, did you love or hate Mike White from that episode? I love him. I love him, but I also think he's a little out of touch, crying about making tens of millions of dollars is that's what I kind of love though. It is kind of funny. It is funny. Okay. Fine. It's hilarious. I mean, so grandpa and like, don't get on daddy's nerves. I thought that was in touch like he sees himself as he's kind of, yeah, he's also shredded like anybody his age that has that time to get that shredded is, yeah, I agree, you know, upper crust. All right, Jenna. That does it. I don't want to take too much time or go too far over. Thank you so much. We're huge fans over here. And we would love to have you on the podcast in future seasons to break down and criticize other people's play. Criticize. Yes. You can criticize. And good fun so that they also are having fun. Good fun. Yes. Okay. Love you, Jenna. Thank you. Here we are with the second exit of last night's premiere episode, a really rough way to figure out and learn that you're Achilles heel as a person is your Achilles heel like that is very, very tough. Kyle winner of season 48 is with us right now. Kyle are you fully recovered now? I know it's been what eight months since filming. Yeah, it's been eight months. Also nice to meet you, but yeah, it's eight months. So I just started running about three four weeks ago I won't be probably fully recovered for about ten months in. It's usually eight to ten twelve months I'm not a pro athlete, but like I'll be sprinting and jumping Probably in the next two months at the at which point I think you can say like I'm pretty much good to go Okay, I want to talk about it a little bit first of all you hit it very well on social media I don't think I got even got a whiff that you were injured or limping or recovering or going through any of that I want to pill the curtain back a little bit from the moment you got injured up to now I think it's interesting for our listeners to learn how the network takes care of you and made sure that you were okay And all the steps they took along the process Yeah, so I obviously you saw me going back and forth with Jeff that was a little bit longer, but I got pulled I had one night in Ponderosa and then I had to fly back to LA first for connector and then to New York They said that escort with me because obviously I could walk he had wheeled me everywhere. Can you care anything? And then I had to get a surgery I went to a doctor immediately when I got back to New York like within 30 hours And I got surgery probably four days later You know obviously that's covered by CVS paramount whomever it may be is the official entity there But I mean I've been getting treatment since then I had to get surgery couldn't walk for two months and then even then I got into a boot And still had to walk with crutches and it took about three months to get into two shoes and then from there You start to like hit the milestones like a first little jump and running and things like that And so it's a it's a weird injury because you kind of have these little milestones and I'm kind of Closed to the end of it, but CVS definitely made the right decision pulling me and they've been they've been extremely helpful since Would you have stayed had they let you stay on the island there? They would have been the option for how long how long are you staying there? I'm staying as long as possible. I'm not kidding like I was like and you're gonna think I went back and forth with Jeff for a long time Like you know this like once you go back and forth with Jeff a little bit like he starts to get a little pissed and I was like I'll sign a waiver etc Sighted the James and heroes were still in but like I just felt like I was in a good position and I wanted to ride it out as much as possible I was at conversation I tried made like I don't think I would have been voted out It's like that's from my perspective in the game, but I you never know But I was having so much fun, too So I would have stayed for as long as possible But it wouldn't have been the right decision for me and my family, which now I know yeah, and you you talk about this group This that you would have been safe. It felt like you were the central figure of What you had going on you were kind of the glue holding people together and they had this really nice alliance going And then all the sudden you exit and two people lose a vote So now that core group of like five people has one vote It's four people with one vote I exaggerated by one, but you could say okay five people with two votes whatever it is Where did they go from there? What what advice would you give them if you had known all that information on your exit? Oh, I did I did right like so if that's another reason why you asked why I wanted to say I was like Genevieve just got this boomerang thing. She just showed me. I'm hobbling around Colby comes back lost his vote. I could have told you Colby going on a journey. I know he's coming back He won a bunch of challenges This stuff is very technical now tights and Colby said itself So I was like oh, buddy like you know, they're down two votes. I'm about to get out of here I'm trying my best to hold it together But I truly don't know where they go from here. I think that you know, you got to talk to Rizzo now, right? You got to you got to start building a little bit of consensus in a different direction I said I'm sorry to Genevieve. I meant it like oh man. It was a parade of four goals on the tape that I left in a lot of ways Yeah, it really really was it was crazy the how that all spiraled out of control because you look at that group You're like oh, they got they've got control over there. That's gonna be the force and now it's just completely decimated in Less than a few days on Survivor. Riley, what do you have for Kyle? Kyle before you get injured, were you having more fun out there than you were on the first three or four days of 48? Oh, yeah, I mean people forget because I won but like you probably remember in my first day sucked so bad probably historically bad for a winner I like have a pretty bad day with that same wall that I just put my killies on by the way then I go and I break the jug So I lose to a guy who just dislocated shoulder and from then on I was like I Either just embarrassed myself on TV the only thing I can do remedy this is to win the game I was like I was locked in on survival mode seriously from day one. I was not I was building relationships But I was always thinking about the game the game the game and that's not to say that that wasn't how it is on 50 But I mean you know how does Tyson when you have done this now and like you get to the beach and you see all the cameras for a second time and the Challenges and stuff like I take a deep breath I know how to compete and I haven't been just working my best job for the past eight years like I know what it's like to be out there So things slowed down for me and I was having fun. It was like so heartening to see that people just didn't want to kick me out of there after seeing my win Two weeks earlier and I like was really genuinely building bonds with people and then also playing the game and so I was having so much fun How different is it to with people you have some familiarity with how you've seen them before I talked to them before versus on a new season where You know you know any of those people well that's a thing the most nervous that I was honestly in the game was when I Saw the buffs because I the only person I had met was Q at this Ron Clark event and we barely exchange any words I mean a Q is his character in real in like the show, but like in real life he was very calm collected normal guy incredibly intelligent Um, and the only info I had on Q is that like one of the reasons he didn't really want to see these a phenomenal liar And I didn't know anybody else. I think I had had mutual friends with Genevieve But I'd never met her and of course Genevieve is one of those cut-throat players in Diwara So I really kind of went in I had game tape on them, and I think that helped me sort of like make sure that my personality Bolded with theirs, but I didn't have like any sort of pre-existing connections that could sort of like inform this a little bit more You talked about this game tape How much of that game tape was accurate when you actually meet these people in real life? I think it was pretty accurate man I mean, I think that like the one thing you have to be worried about is I Watch all the returning seasons and I watch the winners of those returning seasons, you know You self-included Tyson like their first season to see like how things change, right? Like you have to look at what is this person's baseline personality, but also like what are they going to be wanting to switch right? Like this it's like the stereotypical Johnny that I have the confessional Like I don't want to be the child anymore like me, but I see this and that like you know coaches a little bit more all over the place But like I watch the game tape not only to like get their baseline But also think about like what is your redemption or for lack of a better term? And I think that that really kind of helped me like Colby showed it out there like he had a shit time on he was versus zones He'd probably tell you but like he was having oh I saw he was mopey and pouty even at all the post-game stuff He was such a sad sack at the finale if it was like it was real real Debbie Downer Tyson's words not mine Everybody who was there was like definitely agreed to that. I was like how's he going? I was like well, I was voted out before you you should have a pretty good run But he was having fun on 50 man and like that's the type of stuff like seeing what people wanted to be moving forward I was trying to think about that. I guess Okay, yeah, I So you said like you were watching like the timing of people's making moves and changing and shifting gears Is that was that something you were watching or did I did I miss hear that or or more so like How did your last season in like Aubrey for example for last season look miserable, right? Like she was playing with people who like you know something like weren't the nicest to her and stuff like that and like Ozzy right like he gets voted out the last time because he's trying to do the provider thing and all these things I'm trying to think about like what is your specific narrative coming into 50 right because some people doesn't matter Series always going to be serene because he's always successful, but a lot of these players have these arcs that like really do feel unfinished And they want to change and like I feel like that's what you need to think about going Yeah, I understand So you're playing into them that with what they are hoping to Have their story be exactly. Was there anyone that you got there and you were like, oh, I don't have any game tape on this person I didn't expect them to be there. I haven't brushed up on that season or you kind of well studied on everyone Um, you know, I Stephanie to be honest. I actually have not seen Stephanie's original seasons and the only thing I've seen of her is heroes versus villains Which is obviously like a very oblong experience for a lot of reason Um, and so fortunately for me I clicked with Stephanie very quickly, you know former athlete Um, you know, so that that was able to sort of like I was able to brush over that obviously Rizzo like Rizzo terrified the hell out of me because like you see him You skinny as hell even though he was just on 49 like I like listen like I'm sure he was a stick before and so You're like why are you out here, right? I said it's in my pregame. I'm thinking he's got to be an idle hound He used to tell us that he wanted to sleep in the boat at night. I would push back against I was like yeah, I do we should probably all stick together just to stay safe and stuff I'm like I'm not gonna let you freaking go out there and look for idols in the middle of night because that's I'm just trying to think of everything that like would allow for him this person in front of of me to get to the end or close to the end of '49. And like, I was probably overestimated him a little bit, but underestimated him in some respects too, because he was incredibly charming and was also integrating, as you saw with Colby. Who were you most looking forward to working with if you would have gotten as far as like the merge and further? Was there anybody that you're like, I really want to work with them, or I really want to double cross them? Is there anybody you're thinking in the back of your mind? Yeah, you know, I think there's like three quick ones. Obviously, I love managing all those narratives with Genevieve. We're in the middle of those two alliances, and I would have loved to see if we could have held it together, because as much as I like to think that I was in a good spot, like, you guys know, one straight sentence, one awkward interaction at all, crumbles apart. So, I'm not going to pretend like I would have ran the game, but I wouldn't like to see if we could have Tiffany. If somebody I was like, I think that like her season sort of fell apart for her because of a lot of extenuating circumstances, and I think that I could have played with her. And in Camilla, like Camilla was the one thing going into 50, once I saw that we were out there that like, I didn't have the answer to, and I feel on my immediate drive, I kind of dampered that, and I would often insert Joe into those conversations. I was like, yeah, I did lie. I was like, me and Camilla, like, you know, there's no bad blood, like Joe, like close ally of mine, he's also out here, there might be some bad blood, but I would have really like to see from like, if I was a fan, if we could have maybe stayed out there for a couple days, if we ended up on a swap, or like, a merge beach, like could we have some of that three magic, or even though people know that like, we're good together, like that they still would like overlook it. I don't know. Okay, last thing that because Camilla famously said she was a little concerned with you showing up on season 50, you're keeping her. You get to the merge, you're working with Camilla, or are you targeting her, or are you doing what's best for you? Yeah, I thought a lot about this. I think me leaving the vote obviously was me leaving was very good with her. I'm good for her. I think if Camilla makes it past to the merge, right? Like the danger zone for Camilla is the immediate beginning of the game, right? But so if she gets to the merge, she doesn't need me that much. My danger zone, like at the beginning of the game, I'm pretty much fine. You need me for challenges, like I was integrated socially. But if I get to the merge, there's tons of more characters. They don't have the same relationship with me. Like some people don't like that. I'm like a smiling guy. Like that's going to piss some people off. And also like you don't want a character like me around the merge. So I need help. So I think for me, it probably best case scenario, I need Camilla to be willing to work with me at a scenario like that. But for her, she probably has way more options than a merge than I do. And so I'm kind of at her like second call there. If I'm thinking about it correctly, she's not holding on to you. She's getting ready as soon as the group decides I want to get rid of you after the merge. Kyle, so glad to hear that you are on the mend doing well, full recovery. Thank you so much for taking the time. And we're sorry and sad that it went that way for you because it did look like you were in a really great spot. And how quickly you want everybody over was very exciting for us to watch. So hopefully we'll see you on more things in the future. And that's it. That's it from us. Thank you so much. Love you. Lovely to hear from those two. Always sad to be to exit on the first episode. I mean, probably I haven't felt it yet in my real life. But it could happen in the future. Ashley, what do you think about those two? I think they're awesome. I think they have a really good like positive attitude about it. I think I would be a little more upset. But that's why I'm not on survivor. I would probably be on big brother or something. Just angry or too angry. They have, I mean, they've had eight months to think about it. And but would you have time to bottle it up and suppress it at that point? Because that feels like what I would do. Riley understands this. We're Scorpio. So we keep it in and we hold it. And it clears behind us. And then when someone brings it up, we're like, yeah, bro, you know, so. So us bringing it up to them in interview format would have been enough for you. Yeah, they should have just flipped a table. You know, I mean, just immediate. Okay. Riley thoughts on the two. Yeah, man, it's hard to decide which is a bigger bummer as a boot from last night. Kyle going home after tearing his Achilles or Jenna, you know, our sole season one representative going. It's good to see that they both have good attitudes about it. But after speaking with both of them, it's like, man, I just want to see more of them on the island. Can we get them back? Survivor 52, 55, 60. What's the next attorney season? I can invite both of them back. Yes. Yeah, they, uh, Jenna, I feel like, because I was thinking about that too, Riley, I feel like if I were to get injured, there'd be a lot of what ifs. Like it's mostly what ifs. Like yeah, because apparently Kyle was already up there and came down to help Kobe up. They didn't show that on camera. Yes, I heard that. So had he been less helpful. Uh, maybe it would like. So for me, that would be, it would be regret not anger or rage. And then with Jenna, kind of with your Achilles, though, like if it's gonna go, it's just a matter of time. I don't know. I'm not a doctor. I thought that that was the case that it kind of like, yeah, you can learn all that information on our other podcasts. That we talked about medical doctor stuff. Uh, I don't know either. Uh, I'm not aware of that. Uh, and then with Jenna, I think that getting voted out first can never be fun. It's and it's, uh, it's not what ifs. It's like what, what could I have done? Could I have done? Maybe, like, I don't know. So I wish we'd seen a bit more of this Christian puppet master on the actual episode. Maybe self. Maybe we love it. Yeah. Maybe we will. The puppet master. Uh, I was trying to call myself the webmaster, the spider who weaves webs, uh, on heroes versus villains. But then I got eliminated too early for me to be the webmaster because I'll hopefully be dragged into it. I'm going to call myself the webmaster. But then it's about a spider weaving a web that cat entraps people, not the webmaster a model. You kind of, you kind of caught yourself in your own web on that season. Yeah. I sure did. The webmaster sometimes, sometimes spiders do that, you know. So anyways, really great talking to Jenna and Kyle. Let us know if you appreciate these episodes or we'll find out. We'll just see how the view count and the your comments and, uh, and we'll know immediately. Uh, so that's it. That'll do until next week's episode of Survivor where we will be breaking it all down once again. Thanks Ashley and Riley. We'll see y'all next week. Bye!