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Every day, NPR's up first brings you the three biggest stories in under 15 minutes. They go into what happened and why it matters. It's short and thorough, fact-based, and personable, with national and international news in one easy listen. Listen to up first from NPR wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome to hysteria. I'm Erin Ryan, and today we are joined by my friend, comedian, writer, all over amazing person Megan Galey, Megan welcome. Hello, I liked my friend. It felt very official. My friend Megan, first week of school vibe check, how you doing? So today was day one. I cried more than every parent and every four year old combined. You did? Stop. Wow, you're not even puffy. Well, I think my eyes are so red from just being tired in general. I sobbed so hard on the way out a teacher saw me and goes, "You're going to make me cry." And it's like, this child has been going to school for three years. You know, this is just his first day at this school. It just felt like a really big transition to go to TK. It was huge. I know. It's a big week. Or vibe. How's your vibe first week of school? We do not have our shit together. There's like so many things that you have to bring. It's like they have to have their names in them and their water bottles and they're this and they're that. And every school has their own system and it's like a different gate. I feel like, you know, when you go into a restaurant, that's one of those fast casual restaurants that serves like a bowl of slop. And you just kind of have to go up and every single one of them has a different way of ordering. And you're like, well, what do I have to order? And it's like, you have to order your base protein. I feel like that's how I feel when I'm going to a new school. It's like, I don't know how to order. I don't know what any of this works. And then they're getting out at a different time today than they usually do. This is, I'm like, they're asking a lot of our brain power. They're asking a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Well, luck to us all. Yeah. This morning, I realized I'm going to have to bid a due to sleeping past 7 a.m. Ever. Like, because sometimes I would go back to sleep until 7 a.m. After my little one wakes me up at 530, but no, I got to be up and out and by 630 now. Yes. I don't warn you about that. Today, we are getting into Tuesday night's primary results, Katie Miller's awful taste in men. And we are going back to school, the failed experiment that is school vouchers. And the states that still think it's better to back up a dump truck full of cash to schools that can afford it, rather than fund schools that need it. Then we'll dig into the trial of Lindsay Clancy and finally we'll end with Sandy Petty. You're listening to hysteria, the podcast that sympathizes with Pete Hegseth's glam squad that probably had to pick Buggers out of his hair after this happened. Megan, watch this clip. And the first C-17 come to Charles T. Eurifus face. No, no. Okay. Listen, I'm anti Hegseth, but I am pro picking Buggers. Not in public. Not in public. I get in a lot of trouble with my husband. But would you pick him and then be like, you said, "I would not." I would not. But like, if you've ever been on the 405 next to me, sometimes they're digging for gold. I do apologize. You got to get him out. But not into my hair. Not into my hair. You got to have a tissue. You're an arousal car just on the side. Pete Hegseth is so gross. He's so gross. There was a clip of him that we included in this fucking guy video that we made about him where he talks about how he never washes his hands. And it's like, I don't know why that is, I mean, I just, yeah, you wipe Buggers on rental cars. Yeah, and rental cars, it's somebody else's issue. But when people are like, don't pay, don't wash my hands. It's like, that is for just you and your partner to know about each other. Yes. That trend of celebrities being like, yeah, you don't have to wash your kids. I guess. Just stop. Stop telling us that. I don't need to know. My nose will tell me. All right. Now, let's get into the primary results. From Tuesday night, we had a couple big stories. I want to start with a story that I think the national media is overlooking. And that is what happened in Minnesota's Senate race where Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan, who just happens to be the last week's guest on the show. And we are pro Peggy's on this show. We love Peggy's daughter Peggy. I got a Peggy. I got a Peggy. No, we all got a Peggy. Exactly. We all got a Peggy now. She was outspent seven to one by her opponent, Democratic congressional member Angie Craig. And Flanagan didn't take any pack money. She just, like, there was, like, dump trucks of money going to Angie Craig's campaign. And Flanagan leaned into being a vocal progressive. She was endorsed by Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Tina Smith, who is the senator from Minnesota who currently holds to seat the Peggy's running floor. And she won by 20 points. Peggy Flanagan won by 20 points. Megan, what are your thoughts? This feels like a huge victory and very exciting. It did a little bit slip my mind that now her opponent is going to be Michelle Taforia. So we do have a lot of women running in Minnesota, that's a positive. I am very, very well versed in the world of Michelle Taforia as a sports fan, grew up actually idolizing her. I know we're going to talk about electability a little bit down the line. And it is so fascinating to me how that is a question that always comes up for Democrats and folks on the left and certainly never seems to be coming up on the right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And something interesting about Michelle Taforia. She's running as a Republican, but she's trying to be like a cool Republican. She's like, I don't agree with President Trump all the time. It's like, well, yeah, if you became a senator, you would just, you would say you didn't agree with him, but then you would either be a prop vote that wouldn't actually sink any Republican priorities or you would just vote exactly how we want to do to vote. So like, what is the difference? And if you are parading around with Riley Gaines and flinging anti-trans rhetoric, you're not a cool, anything, bitch. No. Sorry, Michelle. No, she's not a cool, anything. I'm worried that her name recognition might give her some unearned edge among people who don't pay attention, but I also don't think people who don't pay attention should vote. Absolutely. And maybe they'll miss this one, but I am so excited about Peggy. And it continues a trend that I have wanted to continue seeing, of just like, yes, let's have progressive candidates that are speaking to the actual issues, be the ones that come out victorious. And Peggy, if she's elected, will be the first Native American woman ever to serve in the US Senate. She wore moccasins for her victory. Wow. Yeah, for her victory. That's a Minnesota too. Yeah, very much so. Very much so. So congratulations to Peggy Flanagan and the people of Minnesota. There was more oxygen in nationwide media devoted to covering the Wisconsin governor's race, where progressive state representative Francesca Hong. She had been pulling like way ahead of David Crowley, the more moderate Democrat. Crowley had originally dropped out of the race, but he re-entered with the endorsement of Wisconsin Democratic Governor Tony Beaver. It was like chaos. It was so chaos. It was so chaos. I'm out. He said I'm out. And then a bunch of other people dropped out and then he said, I'm back in, which is kind of what I would do with dinner plans with people I didn't like. Be like, oh, I can't make it. Oh, no, they're not coming. Okay. I'm back in. I know. I wonder what the closed door meetings were with him. I wonder if people that were terrified of Francesca Hong being the Democratic nominee were like, please, dude, please, please, please. So she was pulling ahead. In some poll, she was pulling like 30 points ahead. Didn't have a single TV ad. Didn't have a single TV ad, not a one. But then Crowley ended up defeating her by less than one point. It's literally like 3000 votes. It's a crazy razor thin margin. Her platform was really cool, universal childcare, moratorium on data centers, fully funding public schools. She's been in this state assembly since 2020. She knows state government, she's a mom, she's a former chef, like it's like check, check, check, check, check, check. Yeah, I don't understand why there was a conversation about her electability. I think people in places like Wisconsin and the national media get very freaked out by people who are left. We saw that in Abdul al-Sahead's race last week in Michigan. And also, you know, I think there's something to be said for Hongs, like digital footprint, which was making people who get worried about this sort of thing feel worried. She had advocated for abolishing the police and canceling Thanksgiving, which I mean, I don't know. I mean, like we know neither of those things are actually going to happen. And I do think I've, we've obviously seen lots of national attention on, on people like AOC walking back, defunding the police. I think we can all agree that defund was the incorrect word. We should have workshopped some other ideas before we went hard in the paint on defund. But I also hope that a lot of us can agree that police budgets, especially in rural, small towns, they don't need takes. Like they have ballooned. So the question and the conversation started to be about this one word. When the concept itself, I still very much am in lockstep with. Yeah, I totally agree. I think we probably should have come up with a better marketing campaign for that one, which is like weird that we didn't because don't we have all the creative people? I know. We just like heard her defund and we ran with it, unfortunately. She had to walk back the comments along the trail. She repeated the phrase, "Woke One was crazy," which is also something New York City Council member. She originally said a few months ago to dismiss the social justice opinions that they had in 2020. So, do you agree? Was Woke One crazy to think that there's. No, I'm like, I'm still at Woke One. And yeah, Woke One needed some better marketing. And I don't even know that they agree with that. You know, but I understand. And I saw some interviews with Crowley. Honestly, I think they're both good candidates. Like I was talking to my brother who lives in Madison, asked him if he was voting. He was like, it honestly felt like we had a lot of good options. He said he was really glad to see Francesca do so well. He took his 14-year-old daughter along to see the process. I don't think this feels like a massive L in the way that it's maybe going to be framed by people that believe the same things that I do. But we weren't going to cancel Thanksgiving. Like, yes, people said some things. The Republicans say crazy things, and then they do them. And that is to me a lot more frightening than in 2020 when we were all in lockdown going. We got to do some radical thinking and then being like, oh, hey, you know what, maybe my sourdough got to me a little bit. Yeah, I think that's true. I think I also want to spotlight the fact that this is the second time we've seen polling in states in this primary season, way over-represent the share of progressive primaries. It's totally wrong. Well, like in Michigan, Alseid was polling way ahead of Haley Stevens before he eaked out a victory by just like a pointer to. And in Wisconsin, Hong was pulling ahead of Crowley. And then in Minnesota, polling was wrong in the other direction. Like Peggy Flanagan and Angie Craig were not. There were polls that show Peggy winning by like 20 points. So what's wrong with polls? And why are we letting them drive news stories about how we cover different state races? I think there's a chance Hong was doing so well amongst young people and people on colleges. It's just like those people are easier to pull. Like you just stand outside the quad and you grab them more, more willing to talk about it, more enthusiasm, I think. And probably a little bit more grassroots. So obviously not people necessarily hearing her name on the last day and going, oh, I got to do that. And so I think there were probably people that said, I've heard of Crowley. I trust him. I've seen him a part of the state's government and decided last minute or close to last minute. Yeah, I don't really like the selectability conversation either to because it just feels like this kind of game of like strategy on the part of individual voters. So people have to vote for who they think is who they think other people are going to vote for rather than who they actually want to vote for. And that just feels so problematic to me. There is already reporting coming out about people at exit polls being like, listen, I like Tong. I like everything she said for anything she could win. And it's like, yeah, but if you vote for her, she can win. If it all, it's like really feels after school special, like if we all support, if you look at her platform, that is what Americans across the board really are like, I just think affordability. If someone is running on that, they are electable. Affordability with concrete steps to address the things that are costing Americans the most money, like childcare. I mean, childcare, food, ability to take care of ourselves when we need medical attention. These are all things that people agree with, but I think people are really scared of the DSA thing right now. Yeah, moderates are afraid of the DSA thing. And Republicans who are disguised like Democrats, who are like holding up with the Democrats until they can just pop back out after the Trump era and be like, I was surprised. Like we're exactly we're going to we're going to say we're going to do a lot and really actually not do a lot. If there is a silver lining, which sometimes the recent, I would hope in a dream world, Crowley would maybe adopt some of her policy ideas. Maybe he really campaigned on this idea of like unity and that she was going to be divisive. And I understand that's a talking point and that clearly like resonated with some people. But I would like to as a non-resident Wisconsin, you know, that's the thing too. It's like this got so much. This is a gubernatorial race in a state where neither one of us live. No one in this building lives, but we do my parents live. So it doesn't matter. My brother lives there. I want him to use unity and reach across whatever aisle is happening in the Democratic Party and go, oh yeah, maybe child care for all is a good idea. And if the moderate Democrats can do that and go, oh, hey, we may not like these people. We may now want to let them into our tree house, but if people that elect people like their policies, maybe we should be looking at those policies as something that we should bring in under the umbrella. Yeah, absolutely. I completely agree. Pivoting to South Carolina real quick, late Senator Lindsey Graham, sister Darleen Darleen Darline failed to secure. Did she see that blazer? She's been wearing some wild blazers. She's really been, she's, she's got an advanced blazer game going on for sure. So Darleen failed to secure the 50% of the vote necessary to avoid a runoff with her primary challenger, which should vote well for Dr. Annie Andrews, who is also has also been a guest on the show. She's the Democratic nominee for Senate in the Palmetto state. What do you make of Darleen Graham losing or not losing, but not winning enough to make it easy for herself? I believe they'll redo it in two weeks. I go, just please waste a bunch of resources that you would be using for the general and then maybe something good can come out of South Carolina. I do think it's like interesting that the knock on her is that she's not a politician as usually happens and that like she's worked with people with needs. I really don't, I don't know. I want both of them to lose, but like I do want to keep seeing her blazers. Yeah, she does have good blazers. Maybe she'll get a fox gig after this is all done. We've got some news about enemy of the pod, Katie Miller, Megan. Hey, Katie Miller just cannot keep herself out of the headlines. Last week's news focused on the phone calls that took place between Miller and Dr. Fauci from Fauci's own journals. It was revealed that the two reportedly talked multiple times a day, laughed together and seemed to have a genuine relationship despite her then calling for his imprisonment. So maybe more of a frenemies situation. This week she's taken to her Twitter to defend AOC's decision to freeze her eggs, stay tuned for more and to denounce reports of Trump using a catering card to sneak out of Turkey. Erin, what are the sentences that I'm saying right now? I got a text from a friend who is a comedy writer and it was a link to the Daily Beast article that was like he chose that blonde aid that some people say is like his, his poopy mind or whatever. He chose to escape with her and leave Stephen Miller, which is very funny, but my comedy writer friend texted me how many this is probably not the first time that Donald Trump wanted to be in a close space with 350 lasagna's and a blonde. So Katie Miller is doing her own one woman experiment on the all publicity is good publicity theory because what we're really about to talk about is how it was also reported by source says news that Miller had a fling with former representative Eric Swalwell when she was a 22 year old intern on Capitol Hill. Miller seemed to confirm the relationship when she clarified on Twitter that the affair happened when she was an intern, not his intern, but an intern. Reminder that earlier this year, Swalwell toppled from his height says California gubernatorial hopeful to a disgrace sex past with allegations ranging from sexting to raping his young female staffers. When the allegations came out back in April, Miller posted saying that his conduct was an open secret and blamed the liberal media for not peeling back the curtain. In one post, Katie wrote, "As someone who doesn't normally believe all women, a truly weird thing to say." She continues, "What are you talking about, Katie?" I believe her. And the many lined up behind her, Eric Swalwell's behavior was the worst kept secret on Capitol Hill. I'm positive she was not the only intern. So why was this information revealed in the first place? Yeah, I kind of wish I didn't know. I kind of wish I didn't know who Katie Miller. Okay, well, that makes you a party fool. So Cache Patel was attempting to release files about Swalwell's contact with suspected Chinese intelligence operative Christine Fang from over a decade ago. This is a mad lives. And no criminal charges were filed. Swalwell claimed that this was a weaponization of the DOJ and threatened to release information about his relationship with Katie Miller if they released the files. So we've got like a black male for a black male. This is an episode of scandal. It really is, but we do want everyone to keep their clothes on in this one. Yeah, yeah. So Aaron, why does that seem a certain group of women only believe other women when the same exact thing has also happened to them? That's a great question. I think it's so funny that I think that her saying, "As someone who normally doesn't believe all women," I totally agree that that's like such a weird thing to say. Cut that part out at it. But I think I can understand where it comes from. Like I've been consuming enough far right, like fringy media, and they have it in their heads that believe women was actually believe all women in the implication was people on the left believe every woman, every time she says anything. And that's not ever, that's not ever anything that anybody was trying to do, but believe all women is way easier for them to argue like against because between them, they have enough brain cells to rub together, that's barely enough. So I think it's just, she's like using these weird right wing talking points and also she just completely lacks empathy. I mean, do you remember when people were doing the horrible thing of putting chalk on the sidewalk outside their house, and Katie Miller accused them of threatening her children and she got so scared that they moved? Meanwhile, her husband is advocating for policies that terrorize children actively. She doesn't see her way to school. She doesn't seem to understand that other people are also people, like a true, a true person, Nincompoop? No, I was going to say she's like a sociopath, I don't want to arm to your diagnosis. But like, she just seems like she's missing some screws, like she doesn't understand that other people are human beings or doesn't care. And yeah, it just seemed, but this is a crazy story. She has, does anybody in Washington have worth, worst taste than Katie Miller? I don't know, but that'd be a fun game show. Who has the worst taste in Washington? Yes. Wow. A fundraiser? I go just line them up and go him. Him? Okay, now my follow-up question to this is, we're seeing a bit of a pattern here with, with Katie Miller, friends with Fauci, fling with Swahwell, is Katie Miller, actually a Democrat. You know Megan, when you raised this in our production meeting, it was like a million light bulbs went off in my head. I was like, you know what? That would make perfect sense. That would make all of her whole thing make sense. That's why she's with Stephen Miller. She says there's no reason you would be with him unless you were doing a covert operation. She's doing it. Speaking up, she is trying to represent Republican women as the most wretched and miserable and hateful cunts possible. Oscar. Yes. And meanwhile, you know, the things that are on the DL, she's kind of like, dabbling in them. Yeah. Dabbling and leftyism. How can someone this doll have so many interesting twists in turn? You know, like, at her core, we don't want to sit down with her, but like, anytime news comes out, I'm like, well, this is spicy. Yeah. And you know what's funny? Is her podcast is so boring? I know. It's not even a good hate watch. It's not even like, you know, Candace Owens, that's entertaining. Yeah. Hot me some popcorn and give me a gummy. Yeah. And I will sit there and listen to Candace Owens for like hours and just be like, this lady's nuts. But I am. Call the cops. I am entertained. I am entertained. And, but Katie Miller, like, I can't, I can't, like you turn on her podcast and it's like watching a piece of cardboard, like bump up against another piece of cardboard. She's had really interesting interview subjects and the only people that she's interviewed that have media training, like Cheryl Heinz, she interviewed Cheryl Heinz, who clearly has media training. Of course. And it was, there was a point where it felt like Cheryl was helping Katie along with the interview. And that's always like a really bad sign when the interview subject is helping the host along. Maybe all part of her covert, uh, maybe to be so bad at interviewing. But it did, yeah, it feels like you get a picture of Margaritas and her and she's got some tea to spill. But she could have like the number one podcast in the world if she just started spilling tea. That's all she did. Two camera shit talking people that she slept with. Although I do want to say she was 22 and it didn't turn. No, the power dynamic. It's fucked up. What she's saying is, I hope this does not come across as we are slut-shaming her. She is saying, I am positive this happened because it also happened to me. Yeah. Yeah. And I, no, I think, but I do think there's something like, you know Stephen hates this. Oh, I know he hates it. Well, because also Eric Swellwell is, he registers more. He registers more as, yeah, he's got hair. He registers more as like a human man, unless like a kind of lizard vampire person. And like the idea that any woman is not a virgin until marriage is sinful and punishable by death by Stephen Miller, I have to imagine. Can you imagine if Swellwell had not dropped out of the race for governor in California? What a big fucking mess we would be in. What is with these California politicians, Gavin Newsom, one of them, who they actually do seem to reach across the aisle, but it is for women that are over there. So like that, maybe that's the unity we need. Yeah, maybe that's, I just think we need to, we have to- The men are reaching across the aisle for us and we are slapping their hands away. Don't touch us. Oh, man. All right, so we have an update on the reflecting pool story. This is ongoing. I don't know what's a what's a good portmanteau with reflecting pool? Like it's like a saga, reflect a blues. Yeah, I'm thinking of the Mulan song, like who is that girl I see? She's like looking in the reflecting pool as like pieces are flaking off and she's like, is that my skin? I've got a war. Okay, well, in what might be a Trump first, the president admitted on truth, social of that the ongoing problems with the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool were at least in part caused by contractor era done by rushing the job for age of life, forth opening. He had blamed the peeling of the blue liner on vandals. He said somebody had gone in with a box cutter, which is the, I can't even picture the, like, the geometry of that. Like how would a person get in there where they just going down the middle, like through the water? And what? This is not an above ground pool. No, I mean, I guess it is, but- It's the, it's America's most important above ground pool. Exactly. And, you know, given the general level of class of Americans, I think an above ground pool is important as a sliced up above ground pool, as like a symbol of us as a nation that's been rushed to, anyway. So, yeah, so there, Trump had berated Jeanine Piro, DC Attorney General, Jeanine Piro's move to drop charges against some of the people who had been accused of vandalizing it. He said publicly he was disappointed in that she'd choke and folded like an umbrella, okay. And now, in a truly embarrassing moment for Trump, he also conceded that there was no video proof other than the damage itself. So, yeah. I mean- I mean, there's cameras on that reflecting pool. If there's a flock cameras, loose in fields in Iowa, I think we've got some cameras on the reflecting pool. We've got eyes on that. So there's no video evidence because it didn't happen. Yeah. And it's funny that Jeanine Piro, like really, there was some speculation last week that this was going to spell the end for her. How humiliating would it be to lose a job because you wouldn't follow your boss's story along that he- Yeah. That like his ridiculous, farcical story. It's- Yeah. She's like, Pete got a million lobster tails and he's still here. I can't mess up one above ground pool. I know. Women in the conservative movement are always so shocked when they get treated like a woman in the conservative movement. But hey, maybe they'll somehow get away with it. Alright, we're going to take a quick break when we come back more hysteria. Hysteria's brought to you by article. One of my favorite things in my home is the couch I have on my porch. 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You're listening to hysteria, the podcast for people who are shocked to learn that Lauren Bobert's son is old enough to be a sex offender. Yes, Megan. That was me. Colorado's horniest grandma is in the news again, and this time she's not the one who can't keep her hands to herself. Her son, Tyler Bobert, who is 21, and I believe is the reason that she's a grandma at like 37? Yes, he's got a kid. I have a one-year-old. Yeah. I have a one-year-old, and she has a great child. It's a different, you know, we live in two different countries. There's real America where there's 37-year-old grandma. She does look great for her grandma. She does. We'll give her that. She does, and I think her post congressional glow-up has been meaningful. Okay. I think she's, and that is the only nice thing I can say about Lauren Bobert. Yeah, her son seems like a real piece of shit. He was arrested in Newcastle, Colorado on Sunday on multiple charges, five felony counts, including three counts of sexual exploitation of a child, and two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Not great. No. Not great. But yeah. She really is the statement. She really is the statement was not egregious. When you mentioned her post congressional glow-up, I thought it was going to be that, and like, oh, her statement wasn't bad. I was like, yeah, this statement is whatever AI she had write this for her. Kudos to that one. Yeah. I just, I cannot believe people in Colorado are like, yeah, let's keep, let's keep going with this. Let's keep going with this, this mess that's happening because bad drama. Okay. Let's talk a little bit more about back to school. Yes. Happy back to school to many students and educators who are heading back into the classroom this week and in the coming weeks. This school year will mark the first for a new law in Indiana that removed all income caps from its school choice voucher program. That means any family in the state, regardless of need, can use tax dollars to offset their child's private education, including religious schools. So Megan, what was the cap before? It was sort of an equation. Okay. It was 400% of the income required to qualify for the federal free or reduced-price lunch program. Okay. So for example, 400% cap roughly met 220,000 to 230,000 annual household adjusted gross income. Pretty high. Especially in Indiana. That can go a long way in Indiana. So it was like middle class kids, people who are in the in the working class, lower class kids, and then also upper middle class kids. Yes. Okay. Had access to school vouchers. And then they said, no, actually we got we got to go up to infinity. Okay. So I've been following Indiana the closest because that's where I've been living for the last year. And when a friend told me about this in passing, I said, there's no way that that is what the law says. Like it was a friend that I was like, she doesn't know what this law says. It's no way that's true. Yeah. And unfortunately, it is true. And Indiana is not unique. According to ballot media, 18 states have universal private school choice programs, which take the form of vouchers, education, saving accounts, and tax credits. And according to the center on budget and policy priorities, 11 states have expanded their voucher program funding and/or eligibility. Tennessee doubled its program from 144 million to over 300 million. Arkansas increased voucher funding from about 300 million to almost 400 million. And West Virginia increased funding from about 100 million to 276 million. And in 2025, Indiana spent almost 500 million dollars on their voucher program. And that's according to their own Department of Education. And that's before this law went into effect. Oh my god. So a recap of why myself is like, I'm against voucher programs, vouchers, and other private school choice programs are harmful for a host of reasons. Private schools receiving voucher funding are not held to the same standards that public schools are. And therefore, it can obscure budgets, not report student data, and reject students really for any reason. They usually reduce the amount of funding available to public schools, which means schools have to eliminate teachers, extracurriculars, and services. There's a school district in Lowell, Indiana, where the superintendent has already said they will have to completely end bus transportation because of budget cuts. Not to mention, the vouchers often go to students who would have been going to private schools and could afford them anyways. I did look up the closest high school to where I was living. The cost to attend there is $27,000 a year. This voucher now goes up to about $8,000 a year. So you're talking about $19,000 that someone has to make up the distance for. And that is almost always going to be wealthy families that can afford to pay that $19,000. So you're basically giving tax credits to people that can't afford it, and we're going to do it anyways, to the detriment of rural schools. Yeah, and something that drives me a little nuts about this current moment, one of many things, is the Trump administration's Department of Education has recently put caps on the amount of loans that people can take out for specific, you know, for things that they don't consider professional degrees. They have caps. And part of their reasoning is that giving all those student loans were causing colleges and universities to raise tuition to a point that was exorbitant. So why doesn't the same math apply to the voucher program? Because a lot of these private schools are well endowed. They probably don't need the money. And what they do with the vouchers is just like tack that on top of what the tuition is because they assume it's just free money from the government and the people who are going there could afford the tuition anyway. A lot of these schools too have waiting lists. And the most surefire way to cut the waiting list is to have a child that already goes to that school because they want to minimize parents having to go to multiple locations. It's easier to have siblings under one roof. I know that you and I could both attest to how wonderful that would be to have one drop out instead of two. So I do understand that. That means these kids have to have older siblings who could already afford it. And we're already there. There are not going to be kids that were not a part of this line who are going to be able to cut the line. So I also think it's worth noting this is not a 2026 development. This has been their plan for 20 years. And it kind of mirrors some of the criticism I'm seeing of like the rhetoric in Texas. It being like someone's got to save Texas. And it's like you guys have been in power where Indiana, the leadership there, notably governor Mike Braun has been like the schools are failing. Okay, well Republicans have been governor for over 20 years. So if the schools are failing, you have failed the schools. Yeah, that seems like it seems like something that it's like they put all the ingredients for a cake into a bowl and they stir it up and they pour it into a pan and they put it in the oven turned up to 200 or 30 to 50 degrees. And then 20 minutes later, they're like, why is there a cake in here? It's like all of the ingredients for school failure has been put together by Republican administrations that honestly like have been trying to starve public education since the Reagan era. That's the plan. Since well, I guess since brown versus Board of Education when schools were desegregated and all of a sudden all these parochia schools sprung up because white parents need a suddenly found religion and needed to send their kids to Catholic schools rather than public schools with black students. This is deeply sensitive to me. Just had a child start L.A.O.S.D., so exciting. I'm a child of a retired school teacher. My sister-in-law is a DC public school teacher. I truly believe that public education is the backbone of our entire society and we have dismantled it in a way that you see who is president now and that has been on purpose. As moms, we have kids in schools hypothetically. Could you see yourself using a voucher type program for your own child even knowing that for society as a whole it is not for the best? I mean, that's such a complicated question. I am a child of a public school teacher. My sister is a public school teacher. It's like the Peggy family tree, just teachers. Peggy on Peggy on Peggy, teachers on teachers on teachers. My sister is a school teacher. My uncle is a school teacher. I've got like ants that are teachers. It's just teachers all the way down. And I completely support public schools, but I also totally understand parents whose children are in authentically at schools where they're authentically in danger or schools that cannot meet the needs of their child. In that case, I think I would take advantage of a voucher program, but only no, actually, no, I don't think I would want to take away from LUSD. We sent our older daughter to a LUSD affiliated charter school, but something that I've been really surprised by is when I was a kid growing up, we didn't have to do fundraisers so that we could afford a band teacher. You know what I mean? And I don't know how it works in other public school systems, but every single school that we toured, that we interviewed at, that we looked at has a fundraising component because schools can afford to fully staff. The district decides that there's, you know, oh, you have enough staff. We don't have money for you guys to have an assistant principal. We don't have money for you guys to have an art program. We don't have money for you guys to have classroom aids, so now you have like 25 kids to one teacher. And it really like impacts the quality of kids' education because they don't have enough money to just with their own budgets afford the things they need. There needs to be a parent community that is willing to like make up the difference and like hustle to earn the extra money. And that, that to me seems crazy. It's like I already have a job. I'm already parenting. Yeah, I'm going to help because that's what we have to do, but it's, it's wild that we are, that parents are expected to kick in even more of their time. Yeah, I, I saw this like on a personal level sort of develop in real time towards the end of the last school year, as I was seeing people that, you know, I was in Indiana, I'm surrounded by people that probably have different world views than me. And there would be, you know, cows, I went to high school with who were teachers who, based on previous things, they, I had seen them post on social media, I would believe that they were right leaning. Then I was seeing them post, oh, I'm a special education teacher. I just lost my job of 17 years. I was laid off because there's not going to be funding for it next year that it was, it's kind of one of those things that I think may end up radicalizing a certain sect of people to be like, oh, no, this is wrong. This is wrong. Whatever direction this is is incorrect. And it may be one of those things where it's like people are not learning the ramifications until it personally affects them. Totally. And this sort of program also bleeds state budgets dry and 500 million dollars. It's the third line on the Indiana budget. Wow. That's crazy. A state that's not doing great. It's not doing great, but take a look at what happened in Arizona. Arizona has a really, a really excessive voucher program. And they cannot meet the cash commitments to like meet citizens basic needs and they may have to cut services in some places because they're paying so much money to schools that are not public schools that are oftentimes religious schools. I'm going to pivot a little bit. We're going to talk more about the children last week, Tucker Carlson. I don't know if you got around to. You know, you sent it to me. And I said, I'm going to put a pin in that. I don't know that this is bedtime listening for the boys. I've heard clips. I have also heard Hunter Biden. Like I've heard enough. I've heard enough to know. Okay. So Tucker Carlson unveiled his 10 point manifesto. Oh, good. For whatever comes next, which might be a third party run because he has been kind of teasing a third party. He posted that photo up with like him, Thomas Massey, Marjorie Taylor Green. What I would I would get Margarita's with that group. Yeah, I would 100 that that sounds like it's on a dream. Blunt rotation, but it is a blunt rotation. It is a blunt. If someone had a blunt, I go, okay, now it would be some interest. That would be an interesting blunt rotation. That would be a great story. But he's been kind of flirting with the idea of a third party for a while. And he put out this 10 point plan and was each point was represented by word of how America should be, which is like fair, sovereign, productive, beautiful, healthy, honest, optimistic, wise, decent, and united. Okay. Sounds nice. Those are some pageant words. Tucker blames Trump for abandoning America first for criticizing how Trump handled the Epstein files. Okay, which I'm aboard with, we're listening, allowing Israel to influence US politics too much, which I'm aboard with and launching a war in Iran. Great. I'm aboard. Tucker. So this is how I, what have you seen the video of the girl trying kombucha for the first time that's in me. That was how I was listening to this entire speech. Because it was like the things he's saying about foreign policy for the most part. I'm like, yeah, I am, I am mostly on board with this. But then he would pivot to things that sound very pro-maha, called for universal sobriety, which includes SSRI use out. Yeah, no, I don't think people want to coexist in a world with me when I'm not on an SSRI. There's just how are we talking about like Iran and then in the same episode talking about SSRI. This is at the very, very back of whatever you've got to get done. Yeah, exactly. He also said school should focus on teaching important things like the differences between men and women. Why? I think people, kids have eyes and feelings and ears and hormones and they can figure it out. Right? Just let them be. Yeah, and he also thought that we need to halt immigration completely until we understand the effects of AI. So no more immigration. When do those even have to do with each other? I don't. It's about jobs again, but it's like nobody, nobody, nobody. Here's the thing that stood out to me because there's been plenty of distillation of what he was saying on the crooked, on different crooked media shows. But this part stood out to me a lot because it really is a testament to a shortcoming that conservatives in America have. So let's listen to the clip. A country that doesn't place children at the center of its concerns ignores the future. Okay. So we had this whole segment about how children should be re-centered in American life. And what I found to be super interesting was he was like 95% of the way there, but it was like Tucker, who makes children? Who makes children? How do we guarantee healthy children? Mothers, mothers, mothers, you are proposing a matriarchy, sir, like a society that centers children that does not view women as a resource from which children are extractable. Is a fucking matriarchy. I agree. I think the society should be re-ordered to center children and families and to allow people to live freely and thrive. And I believe our species needs to center women and children more than it does old men and their wants. But it was so telling to me that it just skips right over the bodies that create the life. Do you think that Tucker will ever fully realize like how close he is to proposing a matriarchy? I wonder if he even maybe said it at some point and then was like, oh, you gotta edit that out. You know, like I do think there is, I wonder who like plans his life for him. I have to imagine it's a woman. He is not surrounded by men doing things for him or else he would not be where he is. But I totally hear what you're saying. It's the constant conversation we have around abortion too. We actually are aligned. We think children should be taken care of. And you guys think that means from the moment they perhaps begin to exist. And we think that means when they need anything, when they're here on this earth. When they can survive independently outside of the body of the person. You know, I mean, God created man. Like I think that's really, there's still, like I am having to un- indoctrinate my son from a year of daycare in Indiana that I really love the school. But many days he would come home and go, Jesus made me. And I would go, mama made you. You know, like he is not going to take the credit on that. I made you. Yeah. And I'm very proud of that. And it was really hard. And if you want to believe Jesus had a part in it, great. But like him and I were not in good. Yeah. And there's something it's very, I just think, I don't know, maybe I'm just like to a woke coastal liberal or whatever. But I just, listening to that part, I was just like, how, how is it that Tucker Carlson is obviously a very smart person? How is it that he gets so close to the point and misses it? It's like the, I totally agree that we live in a society that devalues children and that views them as sort of nuisances. Like I've seen comments, sections and Instagram posts are like. Oh, it's bad right now. So like, why can't I bring my dog to a restaurant if you can bring your kid? It's like, well, your kids are human beings and dogs are not people. - The airline rhetoric, too. - It's really crazy. - And obviously on the heels of realizing, oh, many of these people in power are predators to children. That's a baseline. I'm just like, hey, if you're a predator to children, you don't get to decide everything. It feels like we're maybe aligned on that. - I completely agree. - It just felt to me like, such a whiff. Because if Tucker had said one thing that was like, we are not taking care of mothers and they do not have time to stay home with their children and they don't have the resources to take care of them and work a full-time job. And we need to make sure that parents have a flexibility to provide their children with the care and attention they need. But instead, it was just like, yeah, these children come and then you have to be happy with what-- - They appear. - Yeah, and then whatever happens, you just kind of have to be delighted with. And it's the thing that gives life meaning and it's like, does he have kids? He's got a few, yeah. - A few? - He's got a few kids. I think he's got either three or four, but yeah. We'll see if Tucker comes all the way around to being on the side of matriarchy. But Tucker, there's room here. You can join us. All right, Megan, speaking of social media, we got some live blogging this week of some interesting developments. - Yes. Over the weekend, AOC hard-launched her egg freezing journey on Instagram just as there were some rumors emerging about the status of her relationship with fiancee Riley Roberts. Her reason for sharing is multifaceted. She wanted to show more depictions of women, women having full lives in every context and every choice and highlight what access to this kind of care looks like during the current administration. - Okay. - AOC is 36 years old and acknowledges the political risk of opening up about her family plans as she is a female politician. She said in her announcement, men run for office or frankly, they interview for jobs and people don't think in the back of their minds, okay, this guy's running for office. How well does he? Oh, well, is he going to want to start a family? I have been in interviews where men have been like, how do you accomplish all of these things? Like, how do you have children and then do stand up at night? And I'm like, well, women are incredible. I know that's hard for you to imagine, but we can do a lot more than you. And I'm lazy. She is, of course, criticized by the right. And still, professional attention seeker Katie Miller, I told you we were gonna come back to this. Did Swip into AOC's defense tweeting, if one woman wants to preserve her right to have children, which means more than having none, we should celebrate that. If she inspires other women to have babies, we should celebrate that. I would put that tweet in the Tucker Carlson, almost there. - Kyle. - Mm-hmm. Now, I think the part of this that's really interesting to me, we know many friends who have frozen eggs, I have seen the process, not firsthand, but been very close with people that have done it. I do think reproduction and reproduction rights has also been a topic that has radicalized some women that were on the right to be like, wait, you're saying I can't get IVF? Okay, I'm out. And so I think I know she's saying she's gonna take up political tax, like a hit of this. I also think that there's a chance she opens up some eyes to what this is and that this is also something that this administration and their playbook wants to limit. - Of women. - Yeah, I totally agree. I think that there is a generational difference here. Like AOC is a millennial. And I think for millennials, it's not viewed as like weird or unprofessional to talk about your kids in the office. And I think baby boomers have this kind of antique idea that even like talking about your kids at work or having to leave work early to go get your kids and then finishing your work at home, is like unprofessional. - Oversharing. - Yeah, oversharing, which I don't see AOC, I don't think this is oversharing. I think a lot of people are curious about what this looks like and what the burdens are that fall. Like even if you're just freezing your eggs, just freezing your eggs, it's a huge thing. - It's huge on your body. It's extremely expensive. New York where she lives only covers it in turns wise if it is medically necessary. So like if you were about to head into cancer treatment or so it is not universally covered by a lot of insurances. I also think it's, I don't wanna say it's new wave medicine but like I have had friends who have gone in at 39 to freeze their eggs and it's like I don't think we have a ton of research on what that means as opposed to being, so I think it's something where it's like we're all probably gonna learn a lot. Now I know a lot about people freezing their eggs from being a brafo television watcher because no matter what the real housewife is, there is at least one real housewife on every single franchise who her storyline is she is freezing her eggs. So I actually feel like I work at a clinic at this point but I do think there's people out there that are like, oh wait, maybe this is something as a woman I wanna do at 24 just because because I work at Microsoft and they're gonna pay for it as opposed to feeling like I'm at 36 I need to do it and are these gonna be viable? It's something it does seem like relearning about kind of as we go. - Right and I also, I don't wanna downplay how predatory I think that the fertility industry can be because there's so many really like deep feelings around having children and you and I have both had kids and if you have a friend who has dealt with infertility and you fall pregnant before they do, there's like very complicated feelings or if somebody just experienced loss of some kind it's really, it's a really emotional thing to even survive friendships. Sometimes I have known people who have had to kind of take a step back from friendships because they had experienced a lot of loss and they just were really having a hard time dealing with the feelings of another person being able to have kids when they really want to and aren't having trouble doing it. I do think that this is gonna open AOC up to a lot of people finger wagging about older mothers which is a kind of hot topic and get me. - Kind of a hot topic of conversation because as we discussed in the production meeting there's only, this is the first time in American history when women in their 40s are having more babies than women in their teens. - And I think that there's something incredible. - Which is incredible. Yeah, I mean I had my second daughter when I was almost 41. - 36 and 39, baby. - Yeah, just slide right in there. - I mean, I was the oldest mom in Indiana. (laughing) They were like, "Are you a hornbober, Grandma?" "No, no, no, I do have an infant." (laughing) But I mean, I know people in my neighborhood who are in their 40s, Natalie Portman had kids into her 40s. - Mordia's 47. - 47 and halfway, 43. - Now these are very rich. - These are very, very wealthy women who have tons of resources and stuff. But I think there's something very threatening to a specific type of conservative when women kind of unlock the code and are like, "Wait a minute." This, all the stuff that we've been told about expiring at 35 is kind of misogynist propaganda and I think that if women realize that they can have babies or it's more normalized that you can have babies into your 40s safely, I feel like that's really scary to people who really want women to live a panicked youth racing to get married and have kids and then get stuck in whatever life they've fallen into. - Any amount of choice around it, they are against. - They're against. Well, good luck to AOC. I do not envy anybody who has to poke themselves with needles that much because I hate needles. - I would, I feel like I had a friend who did it who like every time they had to do an extraction or whatever the thing is that was like the most invasive for them, they got a super long needle. - They got a chocolate milkshake. - Oh, that's nice, that's nice. There's so many long needles involved in reproduction. - Oh my gosh. - Oh my God. I think God, I didn't like Google the epidural needle until after I was done having kids that shits like-- - I know. - I saw it, I said, "Get it in me." - I hate that, I know, I know, yeah. We all, and these are the type of conversations that come up when a very public politician is like, "Hey, I'm gonna start doing this." And so it is, I think the benefits outweigh whatever bullshit she's gonna do. She has to go through so much bullshit anyways. She's like throw it in the pile. - Yeah, throw it in the bullshit pile. 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That is, I've been hesitant to talk about it on the show because it's just so complicated, it's so dark, it's so bleak, but it is necessary to talk about it at this point. It's been dominating my algorithm. I don't know if you've been getting a ton of content about this. Oh, it's my whole, and it's my whole threads. And my threads is also, I'm 13 months postpartum. And so it's a lot of other postpartum women who are echoing what you're saying of being like, this is a really hard thing to be seeing as I'm postpartum, but I do think this is a very necessary conversation to just kind of know what's happening. I've been telling every man in my life about it, too. Yeah, same. And they don't tend to like it. Oh, they don't like you. They don't like hearing about it. Well, it's really dark. So this is the story of Lindsey Clancy. In January, 2023, 32 year old mom named Lindsey Clancy, fatally strangled her three kids in her home in Ducksbury, Massachusetts, and then she jumped out of a second story window and fractured her spine. She'd also injured herself in other ways as well. Before that horrible tragedy, she'd sought treatment for postpartum depression for eight months since the birth of her youngest child. She was prescribed 13 medications in four months. She was open about her mental health journey on her personal social media. She has said that she was hearing voices and that she had to kill the kids and kill herself because it was her last chance. And her defense is that she did kill those children and she did it while in a state of psychosis and so she shouldn't be held criminally liable for that. Now, Megan, you mentioned that you're 13 months postpartum. What is this case bringing up for you? I think it's really hard to hear anyone talk about it who has never had a child. I think there's an element of feeling extremely lucky. I did suffer postpartum depression with diagnosed with it on my second son. I think the thing that scares me the most about this is that this is a woman who was a labor and delivery nurse, highly educated, highly educated in this exact field. Whatever you want to call it, did seek medical intervention was asking for help. It's extremely documented. Had a spouse that she was also communicating all of this with and this still happened. And so I feel myself saying if she is on trial as a human being, the system that allowed for this still to happen also needs to be on trial. Because these children were failed through the system that failed their own mom. Yeah, it's so horrible to even think about. I was listening to Nancy Grace talk about it because Nancy has been activated. Nolan, well, she's like, I'm back. She's back. And we needed her. We needed her. She seemed skeptical of the defense that she was experiencing postpartum psychosis. My thought as a mother is, I can't imagine nobody would kill their kid if they weren't in a moment of psychosis. There is nothing normal about that. The prosecution claims that she planned this and she must have been in a good state of mind enough to get her husband out of the house to pick up medicine and that she must have had some premeditation. And if she could premeditate, then that meant that she was. But to me, and I'm not a member of the jury, nor am I an expert in Massachusetts law, it's like you have to be insane for a mother to kill her children. That is unnatural. That is your brain is something has broken in your brain. And I suffered from postpartum depression after my first baby and it was wild. I was not prepared. What happens in the days after you give birth is a hormone fluctuation that is really, really crazy, even if you don't experience it to a clinical degree. But yeah, like day three or four after you have your kid, all of a sudden you have a hormone crash that is bigger than what you experience for all of adolescent. And any human would ever experience otherwise. And the baby blues, which I hesitate to be a phrase I even use, is I think what they think falls just short of postpartum depression. And that, for me, exhibited itself in sobbing uncontrollably once a day every day for three weeks. And that was not postpartum depression. That was just, oh yeah, that was just normal. This is what's happening. And my own mom, also a labor and delivery nurse, saw that and was like, something is not right. You know, like it looks insane to the outside eye, even if they know what they're seeing. Because it feels that so out of character of almost like what you should be feeling. I think there's so much guilt around it too. And like whenever I say I was diagnosed with postpartum depression, I have to fight the urge to go. And it's no reflection of how much I loved my son. You know, because it's like, I deeply wanted, planned for, loved him. So many of it was circumstantial. Because it's like those two things aren't tied together at all. And postpartum psychosis is a very, very different. It's like psychosis. It includes delusions sometimes. It includes manias sometimes. It includes things that you would see somebody having a psychotic break experiencing. It is a serious mental health crisis. Postpartum depression happens in about 15% of women. And postpartum psychosis is like one or two every thousand. But that's still a lot. That's still a lot. And we've seen instances of postpartum psychosis in other famous cases like Andrea Yates. And in a lot of cases those women were, and I don't in any way want to excuse the actions or like those kids should be alive. They should. The tragedy at the center of this is those children are dead. They're mom wants them alive. And they're dead. And because she killed them, because she, from my view, in my opinion, she experienced a psychotic break after having months and months and months of looking for help, asking for help, begging for help, and not getting the help she needed. I found that anecdotally, after you have a kid, they do postpartum depression screening, which is more than I think they did for a mother's generation. - Yeah, the bed and bur. - Yeah, they take it seriously. And at every pediatrician appointment I had for the first two years of both my kids' lives, I had to answer a postpartum depression questionnaire. But those things are kind of scary too, because I was worried when I was actually depressed that if I answered honestly, that I would get in trouble, and that they would take my baby away from me or make me go somewhere. And I wasn't ever thinking of, you know, hurting anybody or hurting myself. You know, I wasn't, it never progressed to that point, but a feeling of like hopelessness. I was constantly in a state of like, hair trigger rage. It manifested for me like, I would oscillate between, like, energized sadness, which for me, is like rage and irritability and low energy sadness, which is just the crying. And, but the mechanisms that are put in place to catch these things almost feel perfunctory. Like they're so reporting. - Right, at a time when you're the most vulnerable, you are sleep deprived, which is literally a use of torture against people. - Not when a baby does it. - No, no, and so I, yes, I filled out the test. There was definitely a flag on one of them, this second pregnancy. I lost my father when my son was newborn. There were so many circumstances. And the pediatricians said to me, do you have a therapist? I do, luckily, do you have a psychiatrist? I do. And so it was still, now I think if I had been in a state that they found extremely unsafe, I hope to think that they would have taken those steps for me, but a lot of this too is also on the mother then, to go, okay, well, I've got to reach out to my therapist. I've got to attract all my psychiatrists who have actually never met in person, who I do phone calls with, that then I also self-report what my symptoms are. Like these are, this is better than it was in the 50s, but this what we know happened should never have happened. And it does not feel like the conversation has expanded outside of Lindsay Clancy to go, how do we make sure this never happens again? - To another baby or another kid ever again, to another, I mean, she was also injured. She harmed herself, she's paralyzed now. I've seen some really wild conversation around this case on social media. Her defense attorney has sort of become a bit of a star, I think he's trying to kind of paint her home life as something that was driving her to the point of psychosis and insanity. Something that they've stuck on a lot in the trial and that has stuck out to a lot of people who are watching is the fact that her husband seemed to have a lot of freedom to do whatever he wanted and she was always home with the kids. Do you think that we will, as a society, take away the, do you think that there's any, I don't wanna say blame, 'cause he was the one, he lost his whole family, right? I don't wanna blame him for anything, or ex-wife or anything, but do you think that Clancy's husband, Patrick, could have taken other steps? Do you think that he knows that he could have been there for Lindsay more? Or do you think-- - 100%, yeah. - 100%, and I outwardly, he has to maintain a certain level of line. I have to imagine when he goes to bed at night, he knows that. If you, if a partner is saying to you, I am afraid for my safety and for the children's safety and you leave them, I don't, I can't imagine doing that, leaving my husband with my children if he's afraid for his own safety. - The thing that's really, apart from all the things that are upsetting on their face, the sort of second wave of upsetting, is the realization that PPD, I've seen a lot, I've seen a lot of self-righteousness. It's like, I had PPD and I would never hurt my kids. And it's like, I don't think that unless you've had a kid, you understand, even some people who did have kids, I don't think you understand. This could happen to anybody, it does happen to people randomly, it's like a shitty lottery, where you are by no fault of your own, put in a situation where your mental health is like on the verge of breaking and it might actually break. And I think people really want to grasp this idea that this would never happen to them, or it couldn't never happen to them, it couldn't happen to somebody they knew. And that's just not true. - I know. - It's not true. - In the trial too, the prosecution many times will just say postpartum, which is a period of time. Postpartum depression is what we are describing we were diagnosed with. And then postpartum psychosis is what Lindsey Clancy had. - What Lindsey Clancy's team says, she had, yeah. Yeah, they're definitely different. And I think that there are some reliance on kind of being slippery with language here about what postpartum is the time, I think two years, right? After that. - Yeah, and then I saw someone say 10 years and I go, you know what? - No. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, that is too many years. - It is two years because a baby is a baby until they're two. So I prescribed to two years. - Yeah, I think that it's, I think it's really important for people to, you know, if you don't have children great, totally valid choice, we make it sound miserable 'cause it is sometimes. - I know. - But I think that like if you're somebody who doesn't have children and has friends that do or has somebody that's pregnant or postpartum, it's really important to show up for them, even just checking in every once in a while and be like, how are you feeling today? Would you like me to? And drop some cookies off at your house. Like just, I think having people reach in and show that they care or that they are thinking about you, it's just a little thing, but if you have a friend that just gave birth, that means a lot. - I think two people who have never exhibited any issues with mental health sometimes end up being even more susceptible. I felt like I really had like a team in place, a plan. I have struggled with mental health and depression since I was an adolescent. And so there were moments where I was like, oh, if this was my first time experiencing this, I do not know what state of mind I would be in. And so I think sometimes people that they're always good, they got it, they're type A, they're doers. Sometimes get lost and need to be checked on maybe even more than anyone else because this is brand new to them. - Yeah, it's a really, it's a tough topic and the trial is ongoing. I don't know how close we are to the prosecution resting 'cause I think the defense gets to go second in Massachusetts. So we're gonna hear from defense witnesses soon. But there will be more on this case. I'm sure in the conversations that we're having around it will likely continue. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break. When we come back, we're gonna wrap up with Sandy Petty. (upbeat music) - Histeria is brought to you by Hexclad. 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Who got former superman, who current guy doing ice training and looking like it's hard for him is somehow jumping into the fray about Abdul El Sayed, who is the candidate for Senate in Michigan, who just won the Democratic nomination. We mentioned him a couple times in the show. Also used to be a part of Crooked Media's network. I've co-hosted podcasts with him. Wow. Super. Really a great guy. Wish him the best. Norsby Aaron and Miss Rachel. Yes. Indeed. And same with Peggy. Peggy got them his Rachel endorsement too. I mean, that's the endorsement I care about. Yeah. That is the one that I look for. Right. So Dean Cain, who is like old enough to be Abdul El Sayed's dad, I think, fair to say, he started questioning whether or not Abdul El Sayed had played football in high school. Here is. He tweeted, Dean Cain, does he live in Michigan? No. Is he in the same age bracket as Abdul El Sayed? No. It's just he's just kind of sticking his face into a place that doesn't want it. He tweeted, has anyone ever seen a photo of Michigan Senate candidate Abdul Muhammad El Sayed? He used his full Egyptian name. Playing high school football. He says he was a captain of the team, but I can't find a single photo. Internet. Please do your thing. Okay. Okay. You weirdo. What a fucking weird thing to say, first of all, like, it just seems like the sort of, send me a young boy. Yeah. It's send me a teen boy photo. It's very weird. And ex-user's quickly pointed out that El Sayed had shared a photo of himself playing football on Instagram in March. So if Dean Cain had simply scrolled, he would have been able to answer his own question without embarrassing himself. Then he challenged Mike Rogers, who is the Republican nominee for Senate, to play football without pads. Okay. So lions are in camp right now. Yeah. I say get them out there. Dan Campbell, the lion's head coach, is one of the greatest characters of our time. Let's go nose to nose and solve this. The good old fashioned way. Somebody also tweeted in response to Dean Cain, former superman, a scanned picture from Abdul El Sayed's 2002 varsity football yearbook. And along with his number, he's pictured twice in the -- it's such a dumb thing. Yeah. It's just like also, I was captain of my high school tennis team and Dean, I will be sending you photos. I was a captain of my high school basketball team. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Wow. I wasn't very good. But I was, but I was bossy. Yeah. And that's how I rose to captain as well. Yeah. Not very good one. Nope. But loud as bossy. 100%. Wow. We are the peggy team right here in full effect. Okay. Megan. What are you feeling, Sandy or Petty? So mine's a Sandy/Petty. Okay. Great. We can, you know I had a very tough weekend. Yeah. And I was able to get away from the sort of family emergency I was dealing with to take my oldest son to San La at Dodger Stadium. Oh. They played it on the screen. We got to lay on the field. Amazing. Unfortunately, getting into it was a debacle because everyone was allowed to bring bags and blankets and food. And so they had to go through and search like one by one, one by one, one by one. So it took us over an hour to get in and we had to stand in this line and there was a lot of cutting happening. It was a 95 degrees out and there were people cutting and because it was like, oh, they're going up there with because their kids know each other and then a group of, and I'm so sorry if you're listening, but I'm actually not a group of maybe six or seven grown adults not a single child with them cut maybe a thousand people. And as they were going, myself, my friend's husband, I go, that's crazy, guys, I start heckling them, which then leads to other people heckling them. Now, you're catching me at like the 45 minute mark in 95 degree, he, I had just come from the hospital. There was a lot happening. And we were able to band together with the people in front of us and the people in front of them, strangers to us to shame these seven adults back to the back of the line. Wow. So fucking good. And then it's called community. It's called community as we got to the front of the line. We saw their friend who had like messed up something and thought that he could just get them all to cut and he's like pleading to Dodger security and we were all like, no, and he goes, they booed them and it's and we did not do them. We did not do that. You heckled them. You didn't boo them. There's other ways to heckle besides booing. Oh my God. That's so funny. What a great moment of solidarity. It felt so good. One time when I was at Disneyland, there was like rumors spreading wildly between strangers that something was going down at the cars like rollercoaster. Yeah. I love that. That rollercoaster is so it's such a fun little ride. But the line is always insane unless you have lightning lane, but that I'm getting in the weeds. Apparently. So there's a thing that happens at Disney that where people will cut, well, they'll have one person wait in line and then their group will join them. Now here's my thing about having someone wait in line and having people cut to join you. You have one one person saves room for one person to cut. So like I think you're being generous. I think, well, I think that's like if there's one person waiting in line and another person had to go to the bathroom. That's okay. Yeah. If they're bringing two people, there better be two people waiting in line. We're not doing one to ten. Yes. Exactly. There can't be one person and like five people joining. But apparently at the at the cars like rollercoaster thing, somebody like a group of fifteen people had attempted to cut to the beginning of the line and people were waiting a long time for the ride with children with children. And there was a fist fight. Oh, there was a fist fight in cars landed Disneyland and apparently like both spring. Radio to springs, the Battle of Radiator Springs. I really thought there was going to be a fight. The guy who was at the back of the pack trying to cut, he goes, we're not bad people and my friends husband goes, you actually are like it was like it did tensions were high and we didn't have any water. And then I bought a box of water when we got in. I bought a box of smart water like a pallet of salt when I brought a I bought a cost because I was that hot and that tired. And then I was just giving it to people, you know, like it was like, okay, I got to have my Karen moment. I won. And now we all need to hydrate. Yes. Absolutely. You got to hydrate after you have your Karen moment. Great Megan Galey. That is all the time we have for this week's episode of hysteria listeners. If you want more Megan, you can catch her special life from my driveway. 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