LeBron James, Travis Scott, Sauce Gardner, Ice Spice, Chad Johnson and Julio Rodriguez.

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I was just like why me like how like how does this even happen? So it's Gardener. I played two seasons. Two-hour pro. Two pro-bos. Where can they say not? Chad Oshosenko. If you best by God and you put the work in that's where the longevity coming in. And Major League Baseball All-Star Julio Rodriguez. I feel like that a lot of people I trust me and I just feel like I didn't want to let them down. Listen now. I said they owner had to do it on the judge had a change. You know what he's drippin. Yeah, he had a lot from earlier this year with this year. I figured you got it for him. Is it good? Nah, I ain't gonna for him. He said he wanted to go over that shit man. I'll be out of town like. He said he would grill some ocean. You said he would pipe down. He said I'm looking. I'm like, but you got a little older. You know what I'm saying? He's in a respectful manner. I'm saying. Everybody say you the best corner league already. I mean when it come to league I don't be like I'm the best. I just be like I was the most consistent this year. You know what I mean you can't really say who the best because in one year it could be all over with. Y'all too similar by the way. Y'all was like rookie here. Everybody was like out of here. Yeah. His rookie year he was like best since position. You're rookie here. Did it happen fast for you? Because I mean it didn't really feel that fast but I can see how people thought it was fast. It felt fast to me. It was like all of a sudden all of her was ice-spice ice-spice. Yeah. I'm all over her. Huh? She's dangerous. Yeah, bangers are sure. I remember back then like I was on Instagram. I see her just called like over the radar or something like that. On the radar. I've seen that. She snapped it. I mean they didn't know. She took off. Did you expect it to be like that? I was hoping for it to be like that but I wouldn't say I was really like expecting it. Yeah, that's for sure. Travis even you as one of the most established artists when you hear a newcomer what catches your eye or you're like okay like they may have something. I don't know just like being raw I guess. Not really trying shit is natural. And music you know when you like natural shit just come like whenever you want to drop you can just drop and go braze in any time. You always work in travel always making music. Oh yeah. Every day. Yeah. Try to unlimited energy. I know. I'm unlimited energy bro. Do you ever get tired? I mean yeah I get sleepy. Yeah I get sleepy but I mean it's like fun to me you know. When I get bored that's when I get tired. Yeah. But I try to find fun and like everything I do. It's performing more fun making it more fun. Performing it might be like the best it's like it's the real party. And it's like I make music to perform it. Oh yeah. So when you go in the studio you like I'm making this how would it sound when I perform it. Yeah. It can be like the loudest or the comments on like you know just want to. Yeah but also you just add that all the fans is going crazy in there. It's like it's like it's like a drug. Yeah. It's like it's like when you just can hear or feel the crowd rocking with you and vibing with you like even in my support we all kind of share the same thing like you all going stage you know their stage my stage too and I hit the chord and all the fans is cheering and they either know a song or they know one of yours like my signature dunk or whatever the case may be and you know they about to go crazy like it gives you even more energy you like I want to stop. I feel like artists are athletes you know I think people will kind of take it off a little bit. It depends on why you take it right. You can go to arena and like really go water wall every night two hours you know send to your set time you know you're going to drop in 50 you know I mean playing four quarters water wall until it's over and like for me I really you know try to bring the energy. But the difference is trapped in sports he get to be a winner loser every night you know what I'm saying like it's a scoreboard and we know the traps is like somebody going to win the game but then the game somebody scored 30 points and by then in your sport call a musical sport it's subjective. It's subjective and the only awards is that I mean not the only awards but the biggest awards is the Grammys which is totally subjective totally like not based. How you feel I mean we could buy before and listen to a stream none of that matter the Grammys is strictly subjective you know it's crazy because like a lot of my peers they once like oh you know fuck that award that I I fuck with it you know I mean you you play for water when the Super Bowl you know you play basketball water when championship's you know I don't make music to win Grammys but you know it's what that Grammy like used to mean is what I always hold on to it's like the idea of music I love creating music I think like you know we come our generation now we're like you know a generation spawned from like alleges of music um so you know that award is just like at one point it's held up to you know higher statue and I still believe in it in a sense you know it gets rough at times but fuck you know with the fuck you got nominated a bunch I think you've been nominated over 10 times or 10 times yeah and as bitch you are you've never won one which is a little crazy but that but also it's about what they do with the category of rap like not putting the shit on TV but it's crazy it's like you know rap's not on TV right so it's like you know you sit there and then they air the show the rap award at like two or one thirty but you got to perform at like eight thirty so imagine like losing at one thirty and having to sit there for seven hours like fuck this shit you be like I want to just dip fuck this like you know I'm saying um even I feel like ice too I don't you know they might category that's rap but I think it's like a versatility in there that isn't like fully exposed like I'm not saying it's pop I'm not saying it's country I just think it's music right um she might rap one day my sweet scene one day my make a beat tomorrow you never know get directed video the next day I think it's just creativity Travis if someone asks you are you a rapper are you how do you describe yourself I just see I'm an artist an artist yeah because I got big songs I'm like not rapping yeah of course at all like goose bumps is like diamond you know I don't I don't rap at all um and then I got songs like sick of what where I'm rapping and it's like you know diamond too so I'm just an artist you know but you're an amazing artist I mean sneakers everything everything huh so I got someone yeah exactly I how do you feel about the Grammys what's your feeling being a a newcomer to the hold there I mean it's my first Grammy so I was just honored to be there and grateful for my nominations to be honest like I didn't expect to win any so I didn't leave disappointed um I had more fun after the Grammys actually after after party I feel that right did you meet anyone you were looking forward to meeting did you I met Ed Sheeran okay and I was really excited because I've been a fan of him since I was like 14, and when I met him, he was like, "She ain't even the fart by the way." And I was like, "Oh, shit, period." Yeah, so. - And you met Beyoncé, too? - Yes, I met Beyoncé. How can I forget that? Oh, my God. I didn't need Beyoncé and Blue and Jay. - Tell us about that experience of beating Beak. - Um, so I didn't really like me hurt too much, 'cause you know, it was basically a Beyoncé meet and greet at the grandest. So there was a long line. So we all got a couple of seconds, but I had seen her, like, in her table and stuff, and she looked over at me and smiled. So while she was walking towards me, I already knew she was gonna come say hi, so I got up to be prepared. Some people was like, "Oh, I threw herself at Beyoncé, like, relax." I'm like, "No, girl." Like, she already seen me, and she was on the way, so. Yeah. - She's on the way. She's on the way. - No, girl. She said she's on the way. But as athletes, how did y'all feel about awards? It's like going on an NBA awards now, when they go first. - Go ahead, it's all, go ahead. - It's weird, because in the fellow awards, I assume they're like, "In the air, who votes on us?" - So, with the pro-bow, the way the pro-bow been going, I don't know if it been like this, but I know since I got to lead, like my brand, name's sauce, all that. Anytime I win a pro-bow, it's a popularity contest. So it started from people saying, "He gonna win a pro-bow, it's a popularity contest, to let's see if he win a pro, or a pro not a popularity contest." That's what they said. So I'm going into my third year. I played two seasons, two of our pro, two pro-bowls. - Jesus. - Yeah, talk that talk. - What can they say now? - Talk, talk. - They say, "Or a pro turned into a popularity contest now." So it's like, anything I win is a popularity contest. At this point, it's always a blessing to get those awards. In reality, it ain't my fault that I got picked. I ain't choosing myself. I'll be going there and play football, and I'm saying. - But do you, two seasons, two of our pro's, did you feel like you deserve to be our pro-bowl for years? - So, there you go. - There you go. - Put me here, talk about what I want to feel. The way I prepare for the game, practice, the way I take it every single day. You know what I mean? I feel like nobody doing it like me. - I do want to ask, you guys have won a lot, right? Album sounds and tours and merch and all these things. Is there an award you haven't won that still stings? - Yeah, Divas the Player of the Year? - Divas the Player of the Year. I mean, that's the only award that I don't have in my house. That kind of stings. I'll talk about this before, like, it don't make sense. It's almost like what Jay just said about B, how can she have the most Grammys? - Yeah. - But never won Album in the year. So the year I finished second in Divas the Player of the Year award, the guy who won Divas the Player of the Year, didn't even make first team all defense. - That doesn't make sense. - Is that even possible? - Yeah. - And I also had an opportunity to it to be, I would have been the first unanimous MVP where I got all 120 votes, but I got 119. - Do you know who the one vote was? - Yeah, I know. - It was the one vote he voted for Carmelo, but it was a writer in New York, man. - Fuck, no, it was a writer from Boston. - Boston? - Of course. - Boston gonna Boston. - Of course. But I know his name too, but I ain't gonna be in that light this shit anyway for the doc on that one. But the media votes on these awards, and it's, I don't know if there's a perfect way to do it 'cause humans have bias, but. - It's like non-player, is that vote on? - Exactly. - That's why they voted. That doesn't make sense. - So that's my point, I guess. - I don't know the answer, I don't know where it should be, but why they voting if you're not watching the game, you're not studying the game. You're not listening to the peers of the game too, that's like really telling you like, he's the best player. That's the best album. - The one thing that's gonna be crazy in NBA to me, Bronn is, I don't know of his this year, but it's definitely gonna have a year where a guy who we clearly agree all of us, that he is the MVP, and he plays 63 games, and the person who is a winning it, that's a weird feeling like, I'm gonna get the trophy, but I know this guy should have won for the, only not gonna win 'cause he missed two games, but the world is like, as a man, he almost went to go, man, that's that man's trophy man. - Yeah, I mean, they wanna put a lot of ashes on my shit, I wanna see the ashes going there for the first guy who wins the MVP, and we for sure know that the guy that plays 64 games and maybe got injured and didn't meet the 65 game criteria, he loses it because he got hurt, like he's hurt. - Yeah, like we said, I'm sure I have like, your album was the one everybody loved. I think any time anybody, any one of us is winning, I think it's dope, I have no idea, I just wanna continue making the best fucking music possible. What was rap 50 years ago? Is it gonna be you rap the new 50 years, right? We celebrate 50 years of rap. There's the new 50 years of rap coming, there's the new 50 years of music coming, there's the new 50, you know, years style to play a basketball, you got fucking Wimbee, eight one. This guy can be a point guard. - He said he ate one. - And I feel like, you know, sometimes things get stuck in like always. I'm not saying it's not wrong with people winning, I just think it needs to be like obvious understanding. - Like what tribe would you think it'd be obvious to understand this like? - Like shit is big, like, you know, I sold out so far this year, right? You know, I didn't know I was the only rapper to do that, but that's crazy. You know, when people go back in time, like 10 years from now, when we not, go remember this moment, they gotta go through the catalog to figure out what's going on. You know, you know, he's all-time scorer, you know, he's on his date, you know what I'm saying? You want a championship on his date, he fought for that. Time in, time out. You know, people can go back in history and he can be just a, you know, debacle of like what was ill and what wasn't. - It's cool. - Let me ask you, you know, I don't think it's debatable if there's a Mount Rushmore or the culture. You're on that Mount Rushmore. Or we may be putting too much importance on one award show, like when you are the culture. - I'm not, people always talk about that shit. - I think about the shit like a club, right? There's a club, a Grammy club, right? And it's like, man, you got Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, like these are real greats. Kanye West, you know, Jay-Z, you know what I'm like? I'm at that motherfucker, like, at the rope, like, yo. (laughing) You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Don't get my man! - Come on man! - You are on the list. In the party, like, they can't even party to the Niggas who are in the club, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's obviously gonna be a club in Niggas who can't, you can party to these Niggas. Like, amazing Jay, all these amazing artists. You gonna have some Niggas in there that, you don't even know these motherfuckers. (laughing) You know some people outside that motherfucker, like, damn, and they music playing all night, you know, they can go sell out 50 of these spots down the street, you know, it's just like, man, you having fun doing it all? - Yeah, I'm having fun doing it all. - It seems like a lot of work, but you know what I mean? - Yeah, it's the fun of shit. - But I'm an artist, you know what I mean? Like, you can do the shoes, you can do cars, you can just, I'm a musician, you know what I mean? - Keep the main thing, the main thing? - Keep the main thing, and none of that shit matters if you ain't 10 toes down on being a musician. What else is, it works organically because his people that follow him through his journey, whatever he do, you know, before what do you do? 'Cause they know when that album drop, when that song drop, it's time to rage. (laughing) - You gotta go rage. - It's time to go rage. - Yeah, I'm sorry. - Have a good time. - Speaking of time to rage, we gotta let you go. - Yeah, we have some more rage, you know, to go up. - It's going up so much, man. - Thank you for coming through. - Got the best. - Love you brother. - Love. - Love. - Love. - You gotta come to the crib. - Get the stew. - Oh yeah, for sure. - You're on the street, vlogger. - Listen for them cards to go up the street. I'll be here. - I'm the president of your fan club. - It was a long time. - I'm gonna send you something. - Okay, for sure. - All right, yeah. - Just like that. - Look who it is. (laughing) - Let me know if you need to feature. - Got you. - Oh, Joe. - Let me do it. - Let me go, let me go. - I'm good. - Let me see you. - Praise God. - I'm good. - Let's get right to it. Ocho's on. I saw you size him up a little bit when you said what's up. - Yeah, that's my little cousin. - But how would you, if y'all lined up against each other? - Okay. - He'd done it. I had to rethink his contract. (laughing) That's my boy. That's, you know, playing this song. - It's love. - It's love. - Yeah, it's love, but I'm just saying, in a respectful manner, I don't play that shit. - Look though. He did used to be my favorite singer coming up. - Talk really? - You remember? I told him like, for me, I used to be on YouTube, watch his videos. He used to be trying to, like, send 10 of them all, so all of them at the same time. - Drey Johnson. - Yeah, I used to be watching, you know what I mean? He used to be shit talking there at the end of the day. - He long and like, you know what I'm saying? - Yeah, I like, I like what you're saying. - How would you shut, oh, shut down. (laughing) - I like that. - Can I know how to get around that? - I mean, his prime or not? - So in his prime, how would you shut Ocho down? - Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Before you get out of your prime. - Hold on, I forgive you answer that. I'm still in my prime. - I'm going to suspect. - Look, it's easy for real, man. - Easy? Easy. Just get hands on them. - I said, I wasn't strong, man. - He wasn't strong like that. He wasn't trying to block from that. - No, I wasn't physically imposing it at all, but just one thing couldn't nobody do with me. See these things down here? (laughing) - To that? - To that? - To that? - To that? - Hey. - Take them to the dead. (laughing) - So, sure, you know what time it is? - Well, I love him though. I love his game. You could tell, you don't follow me on Twitter, but I will. - Always showing love. Technique, anything you do. Remember that current route? Who was that trying to run that current route? And they were doing all that weaving? - Some of the past. - Yeah, boy. I talked about that past. - Them hips. - About a week's great. - Them hips, them hips. - Oh, wait, oh, wait. - It's all guy. - You always breathe. - Always pay respect. - Yes. - Always show up. - So, you want to go in in every game. - Never, head up or you would take some zones or you like a little zone. - Sure. I mean, you got to think everybody gets tired, but. - Of course. Yeah, I want to travel. I'm going to be traveling this year. So I'm going to stay tuned for that. Traveling this year. Be traveling this year. I already had to talk to my decoordinator about it. You know the AFCs, that's tough. You got digs, tyreeke. Tyreeke. You like that energy, too. You like that amount of travel. That's your type of energy. Travel more. That's that-- I'm a competitor, man. That's that money, though. Travel. You get to go to the table with that. Because everybody ain't doing that. That's a good point. That's a good point. That's a business move. Yes. By the way, you, early in your career, made all these hits. One, did you realize this is a business? Oh, shit. I thought I was just making music. And now I got all these things to do. Like, child, you say, I got to go to the table and negotiate and treat it like a business. I was making some noise in the city. Like, you know, New York, New York. New York. Yeah. New city. New city. New York. New city. Just the whole New York, like-- Shit, the whole thing, by the way. 'Cause the thing is-- Yeah, from the Bronx. So, like, the thing is, like, in New York, once you start making noise, like, everybody knows who you are, really, it's hard to make it out in New York. I feel like-- like, you can make it in New York, but to make it out is, like, another story. And so, like, I had put out the munch snippet. And that's when, like, the whole little bidding stuff started to happen, like, that, you know what I'm saying? So-- Did you know immediately when you put munch out? No. No. No idea. I was sitting all munched for, like, six months before I even teased it, yes. And were you intimidated in those label meetings? Were you, like, whoa, this is not what I-- I was definitely intimidated, like, you know? I was only 22, and it was just, like, a big deal to me, you know what I'm saying? And I could tell, like, I could tell everybody in the meeting was very serious, so. She's like, I'm just trying to make music for the people. Yeah, we're at all meetings. For my people, I hate what all it is. Yes. Yeah, exactly. I re-locked in. So, didn't you-- didn't you go to a college and start working with producers and trying to get people to take you serious and get right started? So, I went to SUNY Purchase. I ended up dropping out. Riot graduated, though. Shout-Stam. And that's what we met. Purchase is full of a bunch of artists, dancers, stuff like that. And, yeah, we just connected and started making. But did you get-- was other people not taking you serious when you're trying to get other producers to work with you there? You know what's funny, yeah, I was. There's this one producer that I was begging for beats. And we was friends, like, you know what I'm saying? So, I'm like, why am I a friend now sending me beats? Like, you don't want me to eat? And then, like, now that everything happened, now he'd be, like, trying to work. Sure he do. Is there a turn of-- you see them up? And we're still-- I'm sure he is. I'm sure he is. So, look at it now. It's nice all of, though, like, I still fuck with him. But I'd be locked in, like, me and Riot is more like a duo. I feel like-- I think that's really important. And it's, like, true to hip-hop, too, because-- I feel like the people that I do lock in with, like, a couple producers are, like, huge now. Oh, yeah. You look at-- you look at a future. You got-- you look at your Metro, you look at Drake. Right, yeah. For 40. Drake ain't never made a record of 40 in one. Yeah. Just a few, as a martyrs, they know-- because they know the sound. I do want to ask you, it's like it's-- where the fairly unfairly, there's this notion that, you know, female rappers don't get along, and there's always beef or what not. But, you know, I know you've worked with Nikki. You know, what was that experience like? Um, it was breathtaking. Honestly, I'm not going to lie. Like, it took so long for the producer to really sink in. For me, I think now I fully, like, understand. And I could be, like, yeah, I did that. But, like, at the time, it was just so emotional for me. And I just, like, couldn't believe it. Like, for a long time, I was just, like, why me? Like, how-- like, how did this even happen? Because, you know, I grew up listening to Nikki. And, like, I was, like, seven years old when I first laid eyes on her. So just to, like, grow up and finally get to, like, big songs with her and be grammy nominated with her, is, like, unreal for me. And, like, I'm forever grateful for that. I mean, you're doing something right. Yeah, that's right. We all had that same experience with all of us. When we got to the league, the guys that we were playing against, when we was rookies, we looked up to them, like, man. Oh, wow. Like, when I came to the league, it was, like, Alan Iverson, it was Kobe, Kevin Garnett, T. Mag, Jason Kidd, all those guys that I looked up, Grand Hill, Penny Hardaway, and I get into my rookie year. And I'm playing against them, Shaq. And I'm like, man, this is crazy. And then I actually, I had a little second, like, oh, shit, you supposed to be here. You doing something right, champ? How long? How long are you going to click for you, Brian? It's like, no, they, they got to be food. Like, they competitors now. Like, they can't be my heroes anymore. I'm going to tip up. I think, you know, in the warm-ups, though, you definitely be looking on the other side, like, seeing, like, oh, shit, that's how he warming up. And I'm like, I'm just talking to steal that right there. They, okay, he's stretching. Okay, we're kind of stretches that right there. Once that whistle blow, and Emma Foe do like this, or, y'all, instance, when they kick that ball off, or it's, it's go time. Oh, sure, you played the league a long time, seeing a lot of guys. How much of it is a blot of balance of, like, this guy was just blessed by God and he'd work? How much of that plays into it? They got to be 50-50, 'cause normally, most of the time, you got to do it as blessed by God. And he don't work. He don't get exposed anyway. For sure. You get exposed on the backhand. If you bless by God and you put the work in, that's where the longevity coming at. You know, you do it for a very long time. I mean, you'll suck a terminology. You got Christianity and all, you got messy. As blessed by God, mix with the work. Then you think about one of the greatest of all time. And I hate to say this and use the comparison. Ronaldinho. It could have been the best. Lest by God didn't work. It didn't put in the work. Because he loved the part, he loved the play. You know, do all that. I mean, I mean, no disrespect, but I'm just giving you an example of what you could have been. He should be the best to ever touch the ground. Ask him, it's actually a bit more like you can see it. You can see it. He would tell you, I love Bubba Chuck. Bubba Chuck didn't put the work in, like the guy said, he played hard. Bubba Chuck was the most blessed. I mean, he had everything. He played hard. That's difference. If you don't play hard, then you're disrespected. He had to call you a lot, though. He had to call you a lot. But he didn't work, but I did, man. I will armously because of Bubba Chuck. Of course. That's great. I would call you a lot. And he played hard, he just didn't work. He would sell you. He was like, no, obviously he's under, no, no. My hoop every now and again, but that's it. Can I ask you guys? You guys all had, obviously, God-given talent that propelled you to get to become a pro and you put the work in. When you guys became pros, and even you as well, in your field of music, was there a moment when you're like, oh, there's a different level of the commitment of work it's going to take? Or did you guys already have that on day one of you guys being pros? I will say, I'll probably-- I kind of had it already, you know what I'm saying? But in the lead, you get way more time, so it's about what you do with it. I'm saying, but it's easy for me to drive myself to be great and to take myself to the next level. You know, growing up and Detroit seeing the things that I've seen at the early age, you know what I mean? Always knowing my wildlife. I feel like I ain't grow up like the average kid, you know what I mean? I feel like I seen things that I should have seen when I was younger. But that's always stuff that I can just, you know, think about, you know, go back in our cars, you know, and that just puts me to, I'm saying, just be great. You knew day one, Brian? Like, the level of work it was going to take? Yeah, because I wanted to be the greatest basketball player ever played. I mean, I knew it wasn't going to happen in 1, 2, 5, 10 years. Like, I knew in order for you, in order for me to ever be, even mentioning with the greats, like, I had to consistently be dominant for decades. Like, that was my, and I already knew I had the God-given ability. But the one thing I knew that separated from me from a lot of kids when I was growing up is like my attention to detail. Like, I had a level of detail when the games came and the practices came and the commitment to, like, you know, going in before school started at school, started at 18. I was in the, I was in the weight room in the gym at like six o'clock in the morning. Like, you know, I'm saying, stand after, you know, off days, I would still go in and work on my game. Like, I was one of the only kids in earth. I probably was the only kid on the basketball team. Probably my best friend drew, because his dad was a head coach. They had a key to the high school gym that I could go at any time. And I had to, and I had to go to the, to the alarm to turn it off. So I would just go in high school days where I was just maybe watching TV too much, or playing the game too much. I was like, I'm about to just go to the high school and put the gun up and just shoot a thousand shots just to get the work in. And I had a level of like crazy expectations that I wish on nobody as an 18 year old kid going into any field from a business side, from a sports side, from a musician side. Like, it was ridiculous. Same thing for you, it was there like another level once you sign and had some success. It is true, like, it's really about whoever wants it the most. And I feel like I did want it the most out of like everybody that I was watching or whatever. But there is this one moment that we always laugh about me and my team. Like, I was in Norway, last year on tour. And I was just like, this doesn't make any sense. I was so tired. I had like three hours of sleep. Then we had to travel out like two in the morning. It was just like a big mess. And I was just like complaining to my manager. Like, why would you book me for this? Like, this makes no sense. Like, you don't care about me. I'm so tired. But then in that moment, I did realize, like, if I don't push through these hard times, like, I'm not going to make it to where I want to be. So I just had to like fully accept, like, this is going to take sacrifice. There are those moments you realize is exactly what I asked for. But you want to be the greatest. You want to be, you want to be, you want to play shows? Yes, we hope so. When you got a team around you too, or a person, anybody that you could lean on and those times where you like, Fuck, I'm exhausted, bro, like I'm exhausted, you know. It's not good to have, yes, me and the women around when you're trying to climb the mountain top. And it damn sure ain't good to have them when you at the top of the mountain. The first one was like, "Get your ass back down "that mountain for sure, I'm telling you." Me and my brother, we get into it so much. He holds our younger self. He holds it in me. It just be things that I just. I ask for things that I say, and he just. The one that always tell me like, "No, don't do that." Or, "No, that's ain't right." And I always, we get in our arguments all the time, but we argue so much, but he, my business manager, you know, he over my market now, you know. He works together. But then, after the fact, after his all said and done, I'd be like, "I appreciate you, bro, you know, "always keep it under." You know what I'm saying, always pushing me, man. He always pushed me, so I was younger, though. Like, he the reason that I played a game before, bro. Unfortunately, he didn't get to make it, but he always say, "God, working mysterious ways." You know, now he's still in the football industry, and he can watch me unfold. Yeah, for sure. All right, so we got to get you out of here. You got to go perform now. Thank you. I'm going to perform now. She's working now. She's working. Literally. Thank you for doing this. Thank you. So nice meeting you. Nice to meet you. Thank you, thank you. You know, you need a feature. You need a feature? Got to find out a little bit of everything. Oh, it shows a bit in the shop for 20 minutes. He's asked Travis Scott and Ice Spice if they need a feature. Oh, did you get wrapped? Close mouth. Don't get fit, huh? Did you get wrapped? Yeah, what? What's your like there? And I got who? What's up? You trying to run one? Y'all can move that out the way? Let go of the fire roof. Y'all got a ball? Tom's here. We're going to practice-- We're going to WNB practice. I'm sure he'll go. Yeah. We're going to practice. Hey. Was it in the shop? Stop out of the plush. What's up, man? How you doing, fellas? I'm really good. For sure, fellas. How you doing, man? I'm good, man. Congrats on everything. Well, I-- What's up, man? Move your-- come on, come on, come on. What's up, man? Here, you can really do everything. Got to do it, man. Come on, man. You good, huh? You good, huh? What was it, man? Well, I played the foe. The foe? Yeah. I played the foe. No jokes, man. No jokes, man. I'm sick of cold. Delic it. Get me a pro car. Who's like your style of game in the NBA right now? My style is like Rishi Wallace. Like, no, no, listen. They can stay with me, like, I'm like a Rishi Wallace, right? But I got the expose and the Derek Rose and his pran. John Marant and Russell Westbrook. Like, I got that type. I'm on that mamba shit. You good job? What? My brother was about 46. 46? 46 what? 46 what? Inches. Yeah, Kabad no joke. Y'all ain't never seen you? No. You're going to see in a minute so we play that shit out. You nervous? Yeah. Yeah. I know you guys. You got the right one. Holy well. Good to see you, bro. We're here the year. That's our congratulations. I'm sorry. I'm sure he thinks he can-- I'll play you on baseball too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can swing it, huh? You can swing it? Oh, yeah. I can swing. I hit 95. Easy. Yeah. My hand-eye coordination is beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. You're still in the position, bro. You just play football, didn't you? I did. I play football my whole life until my senior year high school. Who made you stop? My best friend's told me if I play football, another down is going to work my ass every day at school. And my mama was like, that's it. That's it. And my mama saw the vision. OK. She was like, boy, boy, we're in the slums, boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We won here, we moved, we're in the back of the show. I love coming to football, guys. Well, one year removed, go to the draft, go ahead and stop playing this. I don't know. I'm OK. Did you really talk? She wanted me to stop my junior year. And she back there, she back in the back, too, right now. I know she could hear me talking. I snuck and played my junior year, and didn't tell her for the first two weeks of the season. She had no idea and found out and cussed my ass out. But you can't do none at that point. I was already-- And I was bigger. She couldn't let me know more. It didn't hurt. She'd outside to run out. I have my license, so I can leave. But I can't get away with it two more years, don't I? I love basketball. Yeah, you swear you. I'm still a book. Still a book? I can shoot the same, but I'm a book. Who do you play? Always baseball, anything beyond baseball. Always baseball. Just baseball. The D.R. is always baseball. Nothing else. Nothing else. No, just some hoopers out, hoover from the D.R. I mean, yeah, but he was more in the states than the D.R. Yeah. But over the areas, it's everywhere, baseball. Everybody plays baseball. Like school, everywhere. We don't have like a big basketball or soccer. Soccer is growing now, so you might like to go over there. But it is growing right now. But everywhere is baseball. If he was born and born, oh, he's going to be a baseball player. That's the first thing that he would say. So it's already in your crib when you get home. Yeah, a little bad, a little baseball. My mom was the first thing that bought me a bat. How old were you? My man, I was just born once he gave me the first one. So I was ready to get into it. Yeah, I can't explain. Like, I'm Puerto Rican, he's like D.R. There's a different level of like baseball. It's first, second, third, fourth, and fifth. Yeah. Everyone plays. How soon, how early did you know you had a chance to be a pro? Because everyone there plays-- I don't say like around 13, 14. That's when I started doing tryouts. And like, being seen by all the teams and all that. And like, I started seeing like, you know, 16, 15 years old. I kind of were getting looked at. That's OK. If he has a shot, then I think I can make it too. So I felt like that's whenever I realized that. OK. I think we can make something with that. Yes. Yeah, for sure. And when you go to the big leagues, when did you realize we were talking about this earlier, like, I belong here? Because that's-- to me, that's the hardest skill in sports is hitting the baseball. But when you like, I got this, I can play on this level. I feel like why? First, God there, I knew I was prepared because I was able to like play with some other big leaders and kind of like learn from them. I had some chances to go in spring training. Because you kind of get invited for a spring training a little bit, and then you get sent down. And you're playing the season. But once I got up there, the first thing that struck me was, I'm really playing with my favorite players. We're all my favorite players, so that was the first thing that you kind of get. Well, after the first month, I remember this particular game against the Rangers. I went off of five, before strike calls and a line of drives with all these girls here, and I was like, man, I got to do something about this. And that's whenever, like, OK, I need to actually get rid of that. And like, I belong here. And it started playing with my skill and trusting myself. And I felt that's whenever he started for me after that first month of the year. It's become an instinct there. Well, it's amazing because you went over five, before strike calls. You could go the other way. Of course, do I belong here? You could go play with this lower stuff, doubting yourself. How were you able to like find confidence in that? And who helped you? Was it like a teammate? It was-- I just feel like the people that are close to me. Obviously, I have my agent that I-- he knew me since I was 14, but before I was somebody, it's kind of like that. I have my family that was right there. And obviously, the work that I put in, you know? I always told that I worked really well. Like, I worked a lot to get to the opportunity. And I didn't want it to let it go to waste. And I feel like there are a lot of people that trust me. And I just feel like I didn't want to let them down. And that's why I had to keep my head up because they had no turning point for me. I'm not going to go to the minors. And I just got to make it work right now. And that was kind of my mentality going into it. Got it. So there was a corner that's got to have the shortest memory. During the game, during the season, you ever get downing yourself or you-- you've got that short memory. Like, if you get beat, like, fucking onto the next one. I remember my first year at any time I got beat. You know, I ain't even really used to get beat that much. [LAUGHTER] I promise I'm through it. I don't know how old it is. That's-- it's my-- it's God-given, bro. Like, I'm six-dream, but I'm able to change the direction to stay-- I can't beat off the line, and I'm still there. And it just be like, I just don't be know how-- There was some crazy stuff I read on him. When you was that sensey, like, your last three years or last two years-- No, I was going to touch down on him. Like, nobody's going to touch down him. I played it three years, three years, no one's going to touch down. I was going to score it on him in three years. Should've be tough sledding for you. That's-- that's what I said. You know what I think is strong? I think it's because I played receiver back then. Like, I feel like I'm able to know what the receivers think it's a certain extent. That's how prime was. Exactly. I got to ask you how tough was it though, when A-R I went down. It was extremely tough, you know what I mean? Especially when y'all-- y'all-- y'all, y'all, you know, they had y'all one of the times I don't complete it for you, you know? So it's Aaron, you got to think, like, I grew up watching him. So I get the chance to get him person with him, bond with him, talk to him, and see, like, bro. He's not what other people say about him. It's people that say, he was a cancer to the teams. When I talk to him, man, what we saying? It's a leader, somebody that got a great work at the-- and somebody that just impacts the rest of the team. Kind of like you. Like, I watch how you-- how you is on the court and everything. Like, when he's on that field, the whole offense is more confident in their abilities. And they feel like they're better, you know what I mean? But it's like when he went down, like, to keep it a hundred, I feel like some offensive players, their mentality, switch, 'cause it's like-- You had a whole vibe, too. Aaron, Aaron, I don't know the field. Yeah, for sure. It's easy for the defense for us to do what we do. Like, it's a defense. You don't want to get exposed. Corners, you definitely don't want to get exposed. You don't want to get beat. You know what's going on, nowhere. Right. Then the defense in general. But offense, it's like, it wasn't the same way around those. So it's one. Walk me through, you break the huddle. What are you thinking for the play snapped? So I get the huddle call probably about the divider, so between the numbers and hash. Because when the offense breaks the huddle, I want to be steady and huddle. I want the person to see who I could line up in front of me like, you got to come see me. And ain't going to be one of them things where we both run into the line and we both want to hit your huddle. We both want to get lined up. This is one of them things where I'm there. And you got to come see me. I'm saying-- So he already out of the huddle base. So you don't even line up, you're already like this. He ain't even in the huddle already. He ain't even in the huddle. When you get on the line, he already like this. You coming to me. So how you get the call? They can just signal something. I'll be right there. I'll be closer here. Because you're here. But you got to think, when you study the huddle and you wait for that person to come to you, it already got you in that dominant mindset. Like you got to dominate. And then doing that, you able to see where other receivers going, already lined up in two by two. The ball right here on this has. I'm thinking about to do this. Oh, sure, you break the huddle. You come out this 6-3 monster is waiting for you lining up because of what you're thinking. I'm talking shit. Coming out the huddle. Right out the huddle. What you telling them? I'm getting out the huddle first. And I'm doing my favorite thing. If you watch clips of me when I was playing the first thing I like to do if somebody's off, then come on up here. Oh, they'll come play for us. I prefer to play in press. And from there, then I dissect. The trash talking is a get to him minimally. I just need, I like to play minimum gymnastics. People say, oh, we talking trash. He's sending gifts to the DBs. No, I just need to get this much edge. Slightly, mentally. Physically, you might be better than me. But if I can get you talking back or just engaging, I know I got you. Oh, so you'll give us an example of a mental game you played with before the games? Yeah, the Cleveland Browns. I was, I had a little sponsorship with Pepo Bismal at the time. So I thought it would be fun. OK, how can I get to the secondary? Give him a little bulletable material before the week start. So Wednesday, I took some Pepo Bismal and I sent it to all the entire secondary. So I sent it by FedEx, so they would get it before the game Sunday, obviously. And the note on it said, this is for y'all because you're going to get sick the ostomac or trying to cover me. That's the way I felt the game should be played. I was a villain back then. What they doing today? I want to ask Julio, I think growing up one of your favorite players was Ken Griffey, Jr. You know, that's your favorite player, right? Jr. What's that been like? The swing right now. You end up on the Seattle Mariners. Right. It was definitely like a crazy opportunity to be out there, you know, like coming from like a kid to the Dominican Republic. Obviously, follow Ken Griffey, Jr. guys like H.O. or Suzuki, like all those big names. And just being able to be on the same team and playing the same position, obviously, like raised a lot of corporations and all that. But I'm just grateful to having my corner that I can just go, like, what do you do when you were going through this? Like, what was your approach? Like, all those things. I feel like I take advantage of it because I feel like everybody has their own time to kind of keep building on that house. And I feel like it's really cool to have them like same guys, same position, kind of going through a lot of similar things and be able to like, have him to help me out too. Yes. It's really cool to have him out there. Did Jr. win a home on Derby? He did like three times, I think, two or three times. See, that's some work to do, then. I definitely do. He's won it up one time and then after the first round. So it's quite cool though, like, being in a hundred Derby is cool, man. That's probably like, because I did two, the one in LA and did one in Seattle. And like, it was one of the, by far, one of the coolest periods I would have ever had. That's far. How many home runs did you hit total on the home on Derby? I mean, the first one, he 81. Jesus. And then in the one in Seattle in the first round, I actually brought the rector for mostly one round. It was 41. And one round? And one round, the other round. Well, good. I just want to ask you, if you look over your left shoulder, have something that you played an instrumental role in creating, shop, men's grooming. Talk about that a little bit. Like, what it means for you to see the product, what it meant for you in terms of helping create it. I think it's super cool. Obviously, I think when it comes to men's, like, groom, I think the first person to kind of introduce you to it as a woman. It's either your lady or your mom or your grandma, whatever, like, they always, the first one to tell you, like, because we just used to just waking up, getting a washcloth, washing your face, don't want whatever to have on your face. So, I don't know, whatever the notion that's been there for 10 years or-- Jolium Jelly and Vaseline on your face. So, we don't know. But I think as black men and men of color, we have different texture. Yeah, we have different texture, you know. To be able to treat our skin with the same approach that we treat our craft, I think, is very important. It's very important. And I think also to the younger generation too. Now, I mean, like, your kids, but people that look up to us, I think it's pretty dope. So, for us to have this is-- And the good news is, it smells good. So, oh, you can send the Germans a gift. So, they smell good when you get them buckets on you. Yeah. It's gonna be my own part of it. Right, even though I want you smelling good when I blow fire with these buckets on you. Yeah, for sure. What are your numbers if you play the NBA right over here? Yeah, what are you-- Like, honestly. What do you contribute? No, no bullshit. I did being realistic. Yes. So, give me a month of training. OK. I'm coming over to being a six-man. Yup. Adieu. Yup. I'm probably 20, 12, and 10. [LAUGHTER] I love this, y'all. Hey, this is Robert Lamb, and this is Joe McCormick, and we're the hosts of the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. This week on the show, it's Star Trek. So, we're going to be talking about the Borg all week long. Or are you ready to get some probes put in your flesh? That's right. Tune in resistance is futile. We're going to talk science, the culture of the Borg, various interpretations. And we're going to talk about Star Trek first contact on Weird House Cinema on Friday. 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