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And we pull apart the story behind the image, discovering forgotten interviews that change exactly how we see these giants of our culture. We're here for the messy, the brilliant, the human version of our heroes. I'm Emmanuel Jochi, I'm Kai Wright, and this is Big Lives. Listen to Big Lives on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, it's P. Season 7 was filled with some exciting moments. From Nelly speaking about his era being the toughest in hip-hop, to Andrew D. Thousand telling the story of how the Dungeon family was created. We had a ton of special guests, including our guy, LeBron James, Glorilla, Dana White, Ice Spice, Sexy Red, and so many more. This is the best of Season 7. Check it out now. Where the fairly unfairly, there's this notion that, you know, female rappers don't get along and there's always beef or what not, but, you know, I know you've worked with Nikki. You know, what was that experience like? It was breathtaking, honestly, I'm not going to lie, like, it took so long for the parents to really sink in. For me, I think now I fully understand and I could be like, yeah, I did that. But like, at the time, it was just so emotional for me and I just couldn't believe it. Like, for a long time, I was just like, why need, like, how did this even happen? Because, you know, I grew up listening to Nikki and like, I was like seven years old when I first laid eyes on her, so just to, like, grow up and finally get two, like, big songs at her and be grammy nominated for her is, like, unreal for me. Something that I knew could potentially happen just because of how I looked. I was already pre-judged, you know what I'm saying? I'm an athlete of integrity. I never had a cheat in my life. I'm great at what I do, I'm blessed at what I do. So again, when you're great at something, people want to, they want to take you down. So you know, whatever I get the phone calls, I'm like, dang, you know, now that's about to be out in the news and I had to get my own lawyers, I had to get experts. I did the whole nine, I spent my own money on this thing again. Boxing doesn't have a union and when you're a woman in the sport, you know how women's sports are already and then in the boxing game it's even worse. We're not treated with equality when it comes to pay and just the respect on what I do. I train just as hard as he's been as my male counterparts. Like, I'm blessed to have them to work with, but it's like, let's put some respect on the real issue. You know what I'm saying? We are both going in that ring, risking our lives, you know, with eight ounce gloves on no head gear. You know what I'm saying for y'all entertainment. It's been conversation about there will eventually at some point be a woman had basketball coach in the NBA. Do you feel there's an unnecessary importance in that, meaning like, meaning like, you've already reached the pinnacle of coaching. You won, we're sitting in the home, you helped out right back to back championships. Would that mean that much more to you being an NBA coach than the success you've already had? Hmm, I think it used to. Okay. I think it used to. I think that was the goal. I'm so happy here. And I have so much joy coming to coach these women every day. They're five. I don't know if you know our group, but they're, they're, they're, I mean, they're in the champs though. I mean, they're in the champs though. They're in the champs, they're in the champs. They're in the champs, they're in the champs though. They're in the champs, they're in the champs, they're in the champs though. And I, to interview this last year, and I just said, thank you, but no, you got calls, you didn't even interview. You didn't take interviews. No, I did not. Mom, I'm older. So like, I got older parents. Like, my dad is 73 when my mom was 60, so my parents always was in eight, 40s and 50s while I was growing up. So I always, they always used to need a baker. You know, DM type, but we did watch like one of six spark, like, I knew who people was. But once we got in the car, we not listening to no hip hop station or none. We didn't listen to no hip hop station or none. I really wanted to do a show about where I'm from, clearly. But I wanted to say something about who the people of Chicago are. I really wanted to humanize, particularly young black men, that was super important to me because is there violence in Chicago? Yes. I can't ignore that. And I would never deny that. But there's a lot of humanity in Chicago as well. And also, I think people assume that people are born violent, a born with this, in their DNA, to do illegal things. No, I think sometimes we may not be the product of our environment, but we can be the product of our circumstances. And so what I want to show is like, how do we show up in certain circumstances? And that to me taps into what I want to show is like, how do we show up in certain circumstances? And so what I want to show to me taps into our humanity at home, because you're wondering, what would I do if somebody was offering me a bunch of money that would improve my life, but might make my safety questionable? Like a native day addressing you? They call me sexy. You gonna hear her out and say sexy? Okay. Okay. All right. So that's cool. We say sexy. Yeah, that's cool. Okay. What if I say red? Because you say red. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna be like mad, but like I go by six. Okay, I say six. Okay. Who gave you her name? Oh, this dude, we were just trying to figure out a name for me. It was red, but we like, we have to put something in front of you in there. He's like, oh, when you was becoming a rapper. Yeah, to upload my first YouTube rap video. And he's like, what name are you gonna play? I'm like, I don't know. And we were thinking of stuff. And he said, sexy red. I'm like, I like that. Sexy red. How long ago was that? That was like six, six years ago. Did you have a rap name before that? I had a regular name. It was true or red. That was my street name. True or red. True or red. From the streets to you, they call you true. Yeah. Like your Facebook name. Yeah. That's true. True or red. True or red. Yeah, that's called my Facebook name. What was your first rap name? Black wolf. Black wolf. And big one was black dog. Black dog. Black wolf. 16. And you guys had a name before outcast. Yeah, we was two shades deep. Two shades deep. Like we were big, you know, a trial call quest fan. So we was kind of like, the three word names were in. That's right. It's like, y'all was in sync. Yeah, yeah. That was, you know, the way. How did y'all change it? The name of the group and y'all. Cause then somebody in our high school, man, they stole our name. They're singing group, they're going to call them. Like, they shoved like four shades deep. Like, man. That's weird. They called it their self four shades deep. And I was like, they don't stole our name. And we was kind of like outcasts in the house. And we dressed different. Period. And so, yeah, we was like, we're just going to be outcasts. So I do got asked. We were asking what to call sexy. We figured out it's sexy. You yourself. Three stacks. It depends on the trail. I don't know what you're talking to. Okay. What would you prefer to call me? They call me like, stacks. Three, three thousand. Dre. Be it called me Dre. Still. Yeah. Partners in the hood. They call me three. Or stacks. Yeah. Which one you prefer? You answer. You know, it don't matter. Yeah, it's all right. You have some side nicknames. Yeah. You got some more. Yeah, stacks. What's your nicknames? Shhh. Him. Yeah. One and only. Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGHTER] Straight like that. You know her. What's your name, him? I mean, what's your nickname, that? Hey, I'm taking that. 'Cause I seen like a lot of girls that was coming up getting the rap game and stuff. And then I'm like, oh, so they like this? Well, I know that, like, what I got to say then. I'm like, well, they ain't for me then. Like, I ain't no way to take for them to like, know this me. But once they did know this me, it was up. I knew it, I knew it. What did you think did it? That people started to know that it's a certain song. It's a certain demand, won't you? No, I feel like it was just my time. It's just like my baby deady head got locked up. And then I was like, more focused. I was like, now I'm like, now I could focus. Who helped you develop your, as Drake said, like, develop his pen and writing, like, sound? Usually it's a producer. It could be a producer, I think, probably you, it's probably in the dungeon. You also had a partner. Yeah. Like, who helped you develop that sound? Nobody, me. You did it all yourself? Who else is going to do it, man? You're listening to it all, like, because I heard you one time say, I'm the female Gucci man. Yeah, I was like, everybody, man, like, I'm weird. Like, you probably, you probably wouldn't even think I said it. Just, like, Tom's mind, Drake. And you're like, hey, hey, yeah. And you're sport too, like, obviously, you're sport is 1-on-1 also. Most of that, there's deals, but there's usually 1-on-1. And there's no break in a mono-amano match. In basketball, I get a couple of possessions. I'm going to go stand in the corner and let these two handle it. In your sport, there's no break. You have to just keep, I'm tired, but I'm not tired. I'm OK. How do you break through that when you feel like there's a wall there? I feel like it's just training, right? I mean, obviously for them, it's life or death. My sport is not life or death. One wrong move, one little break, some little distraction. I've been to UFC fight and I was like, yeah, now, to watch as even was too much. I saw some-- one of the girls put someone in a headlock and I was like, and they were chanting, break her arm. And I was like, no, I got to get out of here. Drake, this is overwhelming, right? Your mom was chanting, break her arm? No, no, not my mom. No, we went-- the crowd started chanting, break her arm. And I was like, wait, is she really going to break her arm? And I was like-- She definitely was going to. No, she was going to snap her arm-- With the tap. With the right leg. We went to the-- it was in Madison Square Garden. And I was like, this is different, right? Like, this is real different. They were-- and it was the first fight. I looked one of the first fights and the break her arm, and I was like, mom, I don't know if I can hang. This is a lot, right? And I think in tennis, totally different from fighting. It's one-on-one, but a little distraction, you can lose a match. But again, tennis can go on for so long. You could play a three-hour match for men. You could play a five-hour match. What's the longest you're going to play? Four hours and 44 minutes. Which-- we're out. That was-- I don't know. I was like 20 somewhere. I don't know. Four hours at home? Yeah. Do you get a little break at all? A little 15-minute long? No, you just get like a minute and a half. Like during the-- That's a joke. --the change over. Yeah, four hours. And you just-- Yeah. That's mentally-- Yeah. I think it's like a little bit more challenging, because you are out there on your own. And up until like, probably two or three years ago, there was no coaching at all. So you couldn't talk to your coach. You couldn't get any feedback. It was just you were out there. And like, that wasn't as fun. Now, it's a little bit more enjoyable, because you can talk to your coach, you can yell at them, scream at them, whatever can happen. But it's mostly just you and you're walking around and trying to figure it out. And-- [GUNSHOTS] Now, you also had your first joint. Was one of the biggest in the history of music. Did you think it was just going to be like that? Because you were young, too. How were you? No, we were just-- How were you? I was, OK, here's the thing. Well, originally, originally, when you get your deal-- and we got a deal in the '90s, in '99. So back then, they had all these things, artists development, dude, all of this, and all of that. So technically, when I got my deal, I was 23. I had just, like, 23. The record label just put it out, 20-year-old Nellie. I said, the check clear, 20-year-old Nellie? 20-year-old Nellie. They were like, no, but you look like your 20-year. Should I say something or should I not? But again, the check clear, I didn't care. So they said I was 20 when I first came out. But I knew, and everybody around me, and the whole new city knew, man, that man graduated in '93. [LAUGHTER] OK, when I went, it's working. You ever played in the Little League World Series? No, I didn't. Because I was just hoping to go gold. I go gold, I go on tour. I can make a little money. I open up a liquor store, car wash, laundry mats, barber shop. Hood, hood, hood, hood. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, you can go and listen, great to it. Yeah, barber shop. Because our group was, like, naturally created in a barber shop. Like, Leroy's barber shop shut up to Leroy's. And the first day that the album dropped, Universal Presented Me With A Gold Record. And I was like, I was damn there in tears. And, you know, we just-- But then, how did you not-- Because my point is, like, it was so massive. Instantly. But you were the most famous rapper in the world, all of a sudden. They tell you it's so crazy, because we had said-- and I know he probably-- Yeah. He probably wished he could go back in a time travel. He did the intros on Country Grabbing. If you listen to the commercials and the skits, he did those on Country Grabbing. But he did those for a little of nothing. Yeah, little of nothing. And no. And really said-- I mean-- I mean, I don't know what-- I really know what it's said. I don't know what it's said. He was like, we offered everything. Like, yo, he was like, nah, you know, y'all just get started. Don't worry about it. We're knocking out this nothing. You know, y'all from the loop. He did it out for the loop. Then it goes 10 million. He's like, yo, what the-- Yeah, that's crazy. Where are those points? [LAUGHTER] That's why. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's the world you go like, that's crazy. Calvin, it's interesting to me like hearing their stories, like not being sure if you were going to get the audition or get the role or be accepted, or if it's going to pop off for you. How early were you sure you had a real shot? I kind of-- I wasn't-- I mean, high school. I had a coach speak confidence into me. That was a start. I remember. He's like, 13. That's my idea. It's about 13, fam. I was six, four, I was 13. [LAUGHTER] Just came off my 10 touchdown in the game. I was like, wow, 21 game. That's probably-- Yeah, great. Yeah, great. I think I could do that. So like, my junior year in high school, my coach was just like, you know, you could be one of the greatest ever did this. I'm-- I'm doing your high school. Wow. I'm like, that's powerful statement to tell somebody. I'm just like, I'm still green. I'm still getting used to my body. I'm lanky, I'm scanning. Like, I just hit this growth spurt. You know, I'm just-- I'm still trying to figure it out. My first day of filming for "Jackass" was my last day of performing at the Flea Market Circus. Wow. Within a half an hour of washing off my clown makeup for the last time in the circus, I was barfing up a goldfish at the side of the road. Because my cart broke down and the whole crew just had to pull over to the side of the road and figure out what they were going to do. They were like, go get the fish. Oh, wow. Wow. And so that was three years. I never knew that story. I didn't know you went to clown college. Yeah, it did. That's fascinating. I dropped out of college in 1993. And I was just like, I'm going to become a crazy famous stunt man. And in 1993, there was no precedent for that. There wasn't even an internet. They didn't even have email. Like everybody I'd told my plan to just felt sorry for me. And I was homeless for three years. And then I found out about the clown college. And I thought, man, if I graduate from Ringling Brothers in Birmingham, Billy Clown College, then all of a sudden, I'm a trained circus professional. And people are going to take me seriously as a stunt. I'm going to be a clown as they take me seriously. Yeah. And it kind of worked that way. Is the curriculum at clown college like rigorous? It's like a-- It was, man. It was rigorous. And we trained for 14 hours every day. By the time it was done after just two months, it was more like boot camp. I had fallen in love with the idea of joining the circus, but I wasn't one of the clowns that got a contract. Well, the Marvel calls the call to change my life. I mean, that was like-- yeah, so it's been about three years of me going to LA. Nothing really happening. But obviously, you're making-- everyone's an overnight success. We don't understand as the work that goes in, right? So I had been chipping away. And I'd come close on a couple of auditions. What I didn't know was that people were starting to take notice on the casting side. And then, it was like very fortuitous, but off the success of these two movies, Crazy Rich Asians and Black Panther, all of a sudden studios were like, hey, maybe this time some movies work. Like, maybe different people should be super-- These type of movies are not white people. No, not white people. A lot of people are there. Which against some of these guys, a chance. And so, you know, the one that the like hero, maybe it was like, gonna be Shang-Chi. And of course, he did Kung Fu, and I was like, yeah, that's fine. But it was, yeah, so it was in 2019 that basically me and every other Asian dude That wasn't active. and acted in anything new that like this was the role you know and and so that process started in the beginning I mean I had no I had no I really didn't think that I stood a chance you had to read for that they call you say we want you no I had to read three rounds three rounds a lot of people reading and I remember I would just look myself in the mirror man and I would be like all right I'm not I'm like not the tallest not the best looking not the best I kung fu like what the it's not gonna be me there's no way it's me what I was surprised by actually is that Destin our director it what like he didn't prioritize the kung fu he wasn't like no actually we just want a kung fu master and we'll teach him how to act or whatever I think he really he really wanted a character he wanted relatability he wanted every man he wanted this you know this guy to be a voice of all Asian Americans in a way and and I was like as soon as I kind of wrap my head around that I was like I think I could do that how did you start doing comedy actually I was auditioning trying to get booked but my accent you know I can't speak English you don't like my accent I couldn't get a job but then one day I was auditioning for John Singleton his TV show called Rebel it is a black girl she's a cop from Oakland and then a Chinese girl is a sad kick has no kung fu so that's the rush hour I'm a budget I forgot my lines I start doing improv and and John Singleton just start laughing he's like you're very funny dude who this this is all you want you should do stand up comedy so I'm like do I have the job now he's like hell no I don't understand words you said but he got me into open makes and I start doing open make then I bought a club in one month that to me that's that's very awesome that you bought a club because you kind of like made your own space for you to try out your own Joe yeah like man that's entrepreneurial I knew I wasn't good and I need 10,000 hours and nobody want me on stage because when you are not good nobody wants your own stage so I bought a club what a man rose and kawunga it's right there and that's what happens when you don't marathon and best of yourself best of yourself but I can't stand outside though I have Mexican working for me because if I stand outside people always won't get nails done yeah we all know dungeon family yeah yeah the physical place like because it was a studio most right I it was a makeshift studio we had like house speakers and a few drum machines and like car seats that were tow out of cars on dirt flow was it was like a crawl space and Rico's mama house and Rico was kind and visionary enough to let us all young stay in her house and the basement that's crazy if that if she wouldn't open her doors and let we it would be it wouldn't be no dungeon shout out miss Wade yeah yeah yeah he was like sometimes you got to have somebody with a cool mama yeah she was like your damn my house and I know they're doing yeah yeah yeah I mean I don't know she was like a green but it's alternative yeah it's all turn it would move downstairs and so she let it happen is there a sense amongst the players like oh our new coaches black this is different was there any conversation with the players about that you know I think I think I think just the this is just the we've been we made on this I think that depending on the location of the team makes that a bigger deal what do you mean like a black head coach on the Patriots is going to be much bigger in my mind at least then I put in a black head coach on the Raiders as far as the way it's perceived and the same would go for Green Bay I think that's just kind of the the nature I am not that's how she said that you know I mean like I think that's just the the way that it is some of the some of the teams are not it's not looked at as the you know like the there's any racism attached to or anything like that no negative connotations but it's more of like just the the history that's that's been there and you haven't really seen it happen that way before and you know the Raiders is just a little bit of a different type of they had the first ever black coach in the history of the Raiders are child with our child well there you go is there an award you haven't won that still stings yeah defense the player here defense the player yeah I mean that's only award that I don't have in my house that kind of stings I talked about this before like it don't make it don't make sense it's almost like what Jay just said about B how can she have the most Grammys yeah never want out of the year yeah so the year I finished second and deep as a player the year award the guy who won deep as a player the year didn't even make first team all defense I just make it's not even possible yeah and I also had an opportunity to it to be I would have been the first unanimous MVP when I got all 120 votes but I got 119 do you know who the one vote yeah I know there was a one vote he voted for Carmelo but no the writer from Boston Boston of course of course but I know his name too but I don't like you shit but the media votes on these awards and like it's it's I don't know if it's a perfect way to do it because humans have bias but it's like non-player is that vote on exactly so why they vote that doesn't make sense so that's my boy I don't know the like the answer I don't know where it should be but why they vote if you're not watching the game you know study in the game you know listening to the peers of the game too that's like really telling you like he's the best player that's the best album now they're coming from the Lou that you ever have chip on your shoulder because everything was LA New York we always talking about that with the Midwest man like got them right yeah got them right but you got to understand my error of music was the toughest error in hip-hop ever ever when I put out songs I had to go for gas dmx m&m jazzy m&m little Wayne 50 cent Louder now all of us are fighting yeah for one spot so in two from two from 99 to like two thousand eight ten it's the hardest ever ever to get in the U.S. M. Pym Joseph the hope is people see me evolving as an artist because hopefully we're all evolving as people so as you continue to move for different things inspire you like I think you might have been more intrigued by the actor world being an actor like that was exciting that was interesting for you but also for us as audiences and so within you okay let me go back and give you some music to you know saying like Will Smith did a similar thing so it's about sometimes something is just more fascinating to an artist like even Andre 3000 like yes we do we want him to be a rap album sure but he's like I'm on this flute game y'all like this is my jam right now I'm super into this is so it's like okay cool we'll take that I need him to spit though I want to be very because the comments going to be great he's amazing all right his cause is all the way up I'm very clear yeah not the flute be not the flute I want to say it's very calm me I want to hear me do a violin you might not want to hear me do but you want to hear me do a violin now you know what I do now I got the violin I've been working on it for seven years you know we want to get with big boy I wanted me to get with big boy I want to make a outcast or do a solo album one verse it's you know enough material for album he's so he's so gifted right right right so it's like come on be like not the flute I want to hear like we're not gonna lie like don't get that man needs to know the truth he needs to know the truth yeah I like the album nobody know I like the album I did what's your favorite song of course people always say money came by happening but me like I'm still a cheapest like I still like look at the bottom water and if he's sold all of that like what the hell nah give me the two dollar bottle like I'm cheap it's hell like and I ain't gonna lie like my first year I blew up this was before I got that accountant I was just spending money like and I'm like okay I'm getting it I'm making it but I'm spending it too so like I really want just in tune like how you was saying like you want just looking at it like that and so um got it here got me uh uh in the counting and so and so like now he hear me like never gave my money more and so now once I actually see did I'm spending it I ain't gonna lie sometimes I be spending a lot of money I don't even want to look at my bank account because I just know I spend too much money welcome to the club I do I don't look at it don't look at it all the time I never look at it I swear to God I'd be like I know I just went ahead this whole weekend I ain't even looking at what you say when you get the thing you got to do what what got to just make we got to make you want to make more that's the only option I ask you a question though because this this happens with us getting players and the role of agents and agents really they want to get you a good financial deal and as much they can, because they want to use that, then attract other players to them for the way. But agents have to be managed, because they want to get a big, they take whatever percent it is, and then they want to use your contract as a way rather than doing what's right for you personally. Do you think I'm wrong? Well, yeah, absolutely. I think that athletes have built that problem themselves, because there's such a high percentage of guys out there that just give the people that manage them, the P.O.A. to whether it's dealing with their financials, their contract situations, whatever, and the agent may want you in a different situation personally for him, because it works out better with him if you were to go to Arizona or something, based off of that, you may make more money in that contract, whereas you looking for happiness and you want to be in a certain place, and if you don't have that same trust with that agent, he may come to you with information that isn't correct. So, for me, I just make sure I manage that throughout the way. Like my financial advisor, he knows I'm interested in what's going on with me. I'm not going to be just sitting back letting you pay bills and do all that stuff. I need to know, and I want to learn about anything I don't know. When did you realize, oh, it's not just about the love, this is also a business. How soon are your careers that you realize that? I would say at about 30, right? It's like, oh, I'm not going to be able to play forever. I better start. That's late. Yeah. Think about that. I'm saying late as a professional athlete, that is late in your career. For sure. But we were making a lot of money there. So it was just like, I love to play basketball, like I have loved it. I mean, if there's two things I love, it's basketball and Jesus. And then I just go, and, but I've been about this. That should be in a movie. Basketball and Jesus. It will be right back after school. And did you, at that moment, you're like, I'm going to be a coach? And did you say you want to be a coach in the NBA? What did that all have? No. So, I was doing some women's broadcasting for like the Pac-12 and they were walking off. We had just called their game and the losing coach was like, walk it back and the analyst was like, see, that's why TV is the best you'd have. You never have to leave the gym a loser. And I was like, yep, it's not for me, because you can't leave a winner, either. Yes. You have hardcore Nigerian parents though, like you said. Oh. The hardcoreist. Yeah, yeah. When I said I wanted to do music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm sure I'm the only you can imagine, bro. Yeah, man. My mom was like, huh? So you're telling me that you went to school for four and a half years to be a rapper. And Nigerians, they like, that was a lot of sarcasm, right? Bro, this is the thing, bro. Nigerians are probably the best in the universe, an over-dramatic, negative, of, uh, as a nation. Yeah, they feel like if I can just say the most outlanded thing, that's what you do what you're supposed to do. Yeah, so you said, so she'd be like, so she was like, so you're telling me you didn't went to school for a half years to be a rapper. She said, hold on. On it. Call my dad down. Come on, look. Come on, see the sun you've made. Yeah. Yeah. My dad. Yeah. So then my dad would come down and say, oh, yeah, tell your father, my mom. I was like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, dad, I feel like, you know, saying I want to try to pursue music. He said, he said, what? I said, yeah, I want, I want to pursue music. He said, what, what, my mom, why has God forsaken me? She says, what have I done to deserve such this type of cost? I'm like, wow, yeah, yeah, that lasted for like years. Producers catalogs actually get more valuable over time, but people like, I know you went right about, you went through that deal when you had a deal at the beginning that took a long time to get out of it. Yeah, it's crazy because I'm actually still in my publishing situation. How long you originally went? I signed when I was 19 years old. It's still in your original? I'm 37. So y'all been in the deal for a long time. Yeah. It's a Copa with Universal Publishing and Apollo, and it's just the way it was set up. It's just ancient terminology in the contracts. And I just now, you know, thanks to like Desiree and Jay-Z and people like that, that really kind of got me to the place I'm in now where I can, I have an end date. So before my whole career, I was working without having an actual end date to the way we really get our money, which is through publishing, you know what I mean? So I'm like, you know, just a little bit more out, and that's like, that's going to be like, like changing for me, you know what I mean? Just to even have freedom as a grown man, like I haven't been able to go do other deals or go get advances in different places like my counterparts have, and just like even, you know, not just, I eat very well, but it's like, I know what it really is supposed to be, you know what I mean. And it's just like, I'm still, that's going to be the day. I've been independent my whole career, so I've kind of been sitting in an executive seat before I really realized it. I was having to make a lot of decisions and learn about my budget and all of these things before I knew that that was something that artists typically won't have to do. So it was nothing for me to be able to take that same blueprint that worked for my career and then use that to facilitate other people's careers, you know, going where they're supposed to go. So when I started off in the production game, like before I was even rapping, I was on beat, so I knew how, I knew off the early, like, how splits work and how publishing worked and how, you know. Yeah, that's how he got, so he's been celebrating a big way for that. He became a massive star and never signed what a record company. So he owns all of his own, that's how he got so rich. That's brilliant. That's a brilliant sign. And a hard to do. Oh, yeah. And then, you know, being involved in the business side, knowing the budget and what everything costs and where the money's going, brilliant, yeah. How did you-- How did you resist? Every label won't design you. I remember when you just did your deal with United Masters. It was like a massive thing. And then everybody was like, everybody wants Brad. Where's Brad going? Honestly, I'm more just, I do things like based off the people, right? So if I like who I meet with, like, I do things based off that. Because I'm a creative first, I'm like a firm believer and don't do nothing that you are not passionate about. So I feel like oftentimes people be wanting to get rich. And they worry so much about the money that they end up never getting rich. When I feel like it's really a win, if you just enjoy what you're doing. So I could take a meeting with somebody that's offering me everything in the world. But if I don't like you, then I'm not going to do it with you. So just something as simple as that, like, if I'm-- is this somebody I'm really have to be able to have conversations with? Like, am I going to pick up when they call? If the answer is no, then I can't work with you. Or in other streets, masters, selling, masters, you talk about that a little bit like that. But also, I want you to talk about it from two points of view. OK. There's Nelly, the artist. There's Colonel Haynes, the businessman. What's the-- how do you-- how do you feel about the-- How do you feel about those? You can never really sell anything like that forever. It's technically at least. So-- and like, 30 years, it comes back. The reverse rocker. So if I ain't took the little 50 mil and made none that happened in 30 years, then I need my-- well, anyway, you see what I'm saying? But you know, you hear a lot of people, I would never do it, I would never do it. Why wouldn't you do it? That's your equity. That's your goal. Like, that's why you would never have generational wealth. Because what you don't understand is that that's what you're vying for. Every time LeBron steps on that court, he's doing the same thing with his body. His body's his health, that's his equity. I don't know about you guys, it's like a full circle moment for me from New York. Hearing you, hearing these stories about Dungeon Family, hearing you at 16, and then remembering the South got something to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What year was the '95, '95, '95? I got boo. Yeah, can you talk a little bit about that? Do you remember that moment? I totally remember. It was not planned. It looked brave, but I was nervous as I was a mother. I was just angry, man, because we in New York, and we grew up on all New York music, man. When they announced, I think the war was best new artists or something like that. And I think Salt and Pepper and somebody else opened the envelope. So best new artists is out? Yeah. They ran it like that. So we were at Dungeon Whole Cruda, man, and I was just angry, man. And I just felt like, I don't know, it just came out, and I just said it. What did you say? I said, I got something to say. You should watch this video, yeah. Yeah. I only remember the whole thing, but I just knew, I was hating on the South at that point, you know what I mean? It was a while, but I just remember just being really angry and driven, because we've been creating this music, man. We've been in the Dungeon work, and we just felt like, y'all don't get it. You're right. And sometimes you have to show people, man. For me, if I'm being completely blunt, I didn't really care about making a difference. And sometimes when it would come to me before 2017, you hit me up and said, hey, can you donate to my charity? I was always great at writing a check, but I never wanted to spend time, because my mentality was, I work hard if I'm successful financial like, and then help other people financially. And then look, everyone knows the story when Robert's friend, all of our friends, when we went to prison for not committing a crime, would change his life and my life. And a lot of ways, you know, probably millions of people's lives, was, meek said to me, hey, can you come to court? I want you to see what happens when a black person goes to court. And I never thought anything I've been like hey you really want me to come all come and watching a judge Sentence him to prison for two to four years For popping a wheelie on a motorcycle which was a traffic violation Like as a white person coming from a middle class family. I didn't believe that was possible and so in the beginning It was really only about how do we get him out of prison and what happened was My entrepreneurial instincts kicked in and now I realized it's not just this one off crazy up situation It was really that This is the way black America works and that you had you know as I started looking into this and understand it more 25% of the people that go to prison and Jelly cheer Don't actually commit a crime Said I want to know what you were doing when you saw the clips or heard the chat Like we're you just minding your business at home. He was like I'm not really Internet So everybody was hitting me like you know, but people start calling me right away Hey, you know, and then people don't know say Lewis people are very sincere Hey, what you win when do pull up It was like cat. I'm like, oh, that's the same It's literally dog. It's just something. It's one of those things for me like comedy is a is a is definitely a space where we hear We hear jokes sure, but for me that was a situation where he was he was claiming cultural appropriation in my opinion That's all I feel like driving an old car Growning down the window that's 70s. That's what anybody anybody ask anybody like how you drive your car That's that you can't say my joke about a spaceship is your joke about driving a car because we're doing the same gestures That's my opinion about it, but Doing them gestures since Poccusy about it is his old JB smooth joke again for me. I appreciate young girl I think he dope and it's not as nothing that he did, but I'm talking about as a comedian And so I'm like I'm been around this do many times which was my whole point. We have this like he never had a personal conversation about that So why is it this right because if we if we rock with each other I see you in you like that you feel that way then say that And that's what I didn't really appreciate because in you know more than anything Well, you could have your opinion about the joke his fans his people who love them all that like I don't wake up worried about that dog I've been doing this. I have me. I don't knock anything. I what I don't like A lot of times and we get this in hip-hop a lot. And I just hate hypocrisy bro. Like it's not righteous Hypocrisy is not righteous. So for sure. And that's what I was saying about listen. I love cat. I love cat But I hate the hypocrisy. Yes, yeah, so he was rolling You stole JB smooth joke, bro You stole it. You're very first Netflix special when you came out talking about this song When he was like, yo, this is my jam. You could do so much. You just make up a dance. That's JB smooth. He did that back on Freaking comedy. What's the one-month launch used to come and get comedy jam JB smooth did the same thing interpretation wasn't the exact same, but it was the same his joke Wasn't the exact same, but it's an interpretation. It don't matter. What are you talking about? Certain things are just cultural man, they are a culture you cannot own the culture That mean people can't do a black preacher. No, you can't do you can't do a mama joke at night are you If I say anything about coming home coming home and when the lights go out, then I stole Joe Joe With time you gotta be in the house so the street lights come on hot stolen. Yeah, great Oh, Joseon, I saw you size him up a little bit when you said what's up? Yeah, that's my little cousin But how would you if y'all lined up against each other? He done they had to rethink his contract I guess that's my boy. That's you know playing this song. It's love. Yeah, it's love, but I'm just saying in a respectful manner. I don't play that We look though he did used to be my favorite receiver coming up You remember I told him like for me. I used to be on YouTube Watch his videos. He used to be trying to like send 10 of them all so all of them at the real drags me Yeah, I used to be watching, I mean he used to be talking there Thank you though. Yeah, I like how would you start how would you shut oh show that? Yeah, I like that because I know I tell my line that in his prime or not in his prime. How would you shut oh show down? Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm still in my prime No, no respect. Look it's easy for real man easy easy just get hands on them. I said I was a strong man. See that as it wasn't strong like that What's strong like that? He won't try to block from it. No, I wasn't physically imposing at all, but it's one thing couldn't nobody do with me. See these things down here? To that sense hey take them to the dead. What? There for a lint Saturday. Yeah, I was there. Did you when did you realize it was lint Saturday? And so funny enough I was about to come back And my back got hurt again because I my back up and so I had to work out another two weeks So that's that was the second 10 day That Jeremy Lynn got signed and so Jeremy Lynn locker was right here And so we played in Houston and that's the game. He got any at like six points for assists two steals But it was like all garbage time huh and I go to dantonium like yellow bro like He's the only point guard that goes north and south nobody else on the team You know on our team with north and south so we get back to New York and we play new jersey net so you know I'm working out at at halftime. I usually going to lock my work out Been like to just start it like oh yeah, he scored. Oh, okay cool like they put Jeremy like damn You know what I mean we went in the game we like oh we got a win you know mellow was out too Because he was hurt so then the next game it was like you know the you know you win a game like people like damn the monkey off our back But nobody was thinking like all right now we about to win the neck you know we about to win the next game Man we win the next game then we go to like Toronto and and then he got the ball in his hand The last second he was at that guy was I wasn't a couch. I don't think it's in my life It was a ticket I seen in my life because I had never seen somebody go from Damn, they're not about to make the team to the most famous person in the world bro There was what was this six get how long did it really last? It was like six games It was Toronto like Toronto. It was like We was down six and then he hit like we hit all these big shots and then he hit the game winner Then came back and I remember uh I saw Kobe the night before I was like come do not let this happen bro Nothing's enough bro like hey do not let this happen come telling you this kid is nice like don't play around He go yeah, I love you know what I mean he and come was like oh man, you know whatever did you see the interview that he did that Reston P. I he's my absolute hero, but that interview where he's like they're like are you gonna are you gonna guard Jeremy lin and he's like Because you know you got to think like the league Nobody was like really up on it. They was just like oh the next one, you know what I mean Jeremy lin? How to good game like oh Jeremy lin hit a good you know a game when it shot so it's like Like that has happened before with people on ten days Now he played a Lakers and he go and walked them across the head Then dollars come back defending selves wipe them across the head So it was like it went from like ten people In the locker and I'm sitting next to him bro. It's like me empty locker Jeremy lin So everybody on the team had to go get dressed in like the shower and then the bathroom and The locker room was Media bro, or I mean it doesn't happen if it's not in New York, but to be these people it was the most ridiculous at ever saying it was like My homegirls from Hollywood was calling was like yo, what's up with Jeremy lin? I'm like Like is he saying go? Damn, but what do you think about what Jerry said? Do you know Jerry? I said, you know, I don't know personally. No Wait, who said what somebody said something about masculine? Jerry son Phil said what do you say exactly Just kind of in essence he misses he misses the days of dominant masculine. Yeah, I don't know man Sometimes if this is gonna sound like a thing to say but sometimes I just wish like Older people would like be quiet. It's like everything You don't even know everything that you feel or you thinking about everything is like it's like I get with you Sandbro but it sounds like a time like it's like bro like I don't know There was a way to say that and I don't this idea of like I just want real like Because in my mind looks like you're talking like Clint Eastwood like like what do you actually ask you for? Because real men are just existing in a different time, you know what I mean? And I don't necessarily think there's this idea that masculinity is dead, but I think it's just evolving. You know what I mean? And I think sometimes the loud voices are the ones that seem to be anti-certain things. But overall, I just think the idea of masculinity, what it is, and what it can be, and what it can look like, is just evolving as things should. And I think all things will still exist. And I think people want all things. Like, I mean, as a woman, it's like, yo, I still appreciate like a lumberjack look at dude who look like he could take care of him. Like, when someone comes to my house to fix something, I like that they look like they know how to fix. - You don't want to hurt him, bitch. - No, I don't want to. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, silky boy. Showing them, I'm gonna do somewhere else, some real energy over there. But didn't get his energy for the silky boy. Well, I'm like, I would appreciate the silky boy at this moment. I don't think there's room for the scope of what it is. - Silky boy is crazy. - Moser, do you drink when you're on stage? - No, I make it. - You're gonna stage totally sober. - Yeah, I like to be sober. It makes me all fresh, more sharp. It's weird because I've done shows before and I've had a drink like beforehand and sometimes they'd be my best shows. But I don't want that to feel like that was what made me feel like I had a good show. - But it makes you more loose, right? - It does, but then the habit is is like, you can be too loose with the tongue, do you know what I mean? And like, I always say this is a comic. I was like, as much as crowd work is fun and you get to, you know, you can make some material out of someone in the audience. You so remember that at the end of the show, there's nothing stopping that person coming up to you and saying, hey, let me talk to you for a second. (laughing) I'm telling you, Mom, let's put before, man. - Has that happened to you? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's happened before, man, so. Yeah, it happened in London once, so basically, I used to have this part of the show where I used to say, listen, the audience would be standing there. I said, listen, before I start the show, I'm not gonna make fun of anyone in the audience, so I would point out someone. I say, let's say, for example, your name is Clarissa, yeah. And I say, Climidia. Yeah, you all got the joke, yeah? (laughing) Everyone got the joke that I'm gonna say, oh, Climidia, yeah, your name, but it's Clarissa. So that's the joke, audience laughs. I'm carrying on with the show, see her boyfriend, he's not laughing at nothing. - The whole show. - The whole show. - I made him the whole show. - The show's probably worth it, like a bump. - Never forget, the whole show's going well, she's laughing, but he's just like this. Right, the whole show. Now, as a comic, when you're on stage, you know when someone's laughing, you're like, this is, this person's really nice. - Tell you what's up, bro, come on in, bro. Come on in, bro, what's up, bro? Let's tell you what's up. - We're jumping in at a good time here. - Yes, you're right there. - Okay. - Go ahead, so finish this story, so go ahead. - Yeah, so I've done the show, the show was fine, show it finished now, and I remember the show finishing, and you know, you get paid off to your show. This is like cash in hand days, when I was still doing the open mic circuit. This guy has paid me, and I can still see this guy waiting around, like this. And I didn't, again, you just know, let me just leave, there's no reason for me to talk to him. Two weeks later, I promised you not, I'd done this show. I'll never forget the show had this L-shaped room, and there's one set of people here, they're eating food, and they're not really laughing, but they're upset, they don't have the food option, so they're just normal comedy goes, and they're laughing. But I can notice, as I'm performing, that there's someone not laughing in this section where everyone don't have food. So I'm like, that guy looks familiar, man. (laughing) He looks so familiar, and it's the same guy who was at the show previously, and again, I'm just like, again, my mind is rattled, 'cause I'm like, these are ain't laughing and eating food, but these are having a fun time, but this particular guy ain't laughing. So I've left the show, and you're in between these double doors, and I walk through the door, and he comes in, I look at him, he looked at me, and I'm like, "Hey, what's up?" And he's like, "No, no, no, no, that." (laughing) That was so (laughing) the pleasure trees, it's so nice. (laughing) That's hilarious. (laughing) So I'm trying to do the whole, "Oh, he was at the show." He's like, "Listen, I'd never forget this." He goes, "Listen, I'll see you at the show two weeks ago, "and you just respected my girlfriend, "and I'm trying to now explain." I said, "No, no, no, the joke is, no, no, no, no, no." (laughing) That's all you got. (laughing) My heart is beating, 'cause it never happened to me. (laughing) My heart is beating. (laughing) And he goes, "Listen, if you ever disrespect my girlfriend "at a ever again, I'm gonna cave in your face, right?" So then, again, I'm trying to explain, and I'm like, "No, but what is, he goes, "Listen, that's pronation." (laughing) And I'll never forget this, he goes, "Listen, "I think you're hilarious, keep doing what you're doing, "and good luck with the rest of your career." And I left out the door, and then I was in this weird situation where I was like, "That's the weirdest thing that's ever happened to me, "but at the same time, I'm not gonna make anyone "the bottom of my jokes ever again." 'Cause he was so calm, and I always say, "This is calm, this is the scariest man, "is the calmest man." (upbeat music) Look at who it was, what was it? - That man. - Well, I played the folk. - The folk? - The folk, yeah. - I played the folk, the folk, the folk. - Lakes. 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