‘Law Abiding Citizen’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Craig Horlbeck

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And you're expecting a movie that's what was the movie with Ben Affleck and Samuel Jackson changing land changing land. I like that movie. So you're expecting something like that, right? Although you see explosions and stuff in the trailer, you're expecting something that's a little bit more grounded. And then you go to the movie and right off the bat, people in the theater are like, what the fuck is happening? Brutal, surprising, absurd in the best way. Everyone in the, oh my God, what do you like? What the hell, bro? And since then I've had a love affair with the movie where I watch it every time it comes on TV. The vigilante movie in 1970s tradition. Craig's least favorite rewatch, but we ever did was death wish. That's a really genuinely hated it. The sexual assault scene in death wish is about as grim as it gets. Well, you thought it was about as grim, but you never saw death wish too, which was as grim as it gets. That's the nadir of all these, but we had in the 70s walking tall, we'd death wish, Foxy Brown. That was a good one. We had a lot of, yeah, we had a lot of good ones in the 70s. And then they kept kind of making them and trying to figure it out, but it kind of died. And then the revenge stuff got more sanitized and turned into like taking and things like that. Yeah. Lawbiting citizen goes back to the old days of this is kind of like peak 2000s revenge porn. I feel like Bangkok. Craig did enjoy this because I was upset the way Denzel killed Idris Elba wasn't enough. Right. This movie gives you everything you want and more in terms of getting revenge and going the full nine yards. Yeah. Cause the revenge thing kind of shifted toward like John Wick territory or taken where these, this group of people did something to me. Right. We rarely have the, I am going to actually make a real statement about our legal system and take out the entire city of Philadelphia, basically. So I have a list coming up of that kind of explores this, but like the visual any movies of the 70s in the 80s seem to be directly against like street crime. Like they're going against street crime. And it's like kind of racist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to kind of feel it. Well, whoever the criminals of the day were, that's what they're going to. It's like independent actors essentially of crime. Right. Not a system. Then that's what happens. Later on, people start to rage at like a whole system. And those are the revenge movies that you get even like a movie like falling down, which isn't necessarily a visual any movie. But it's a I fucking had enough of this culture movie like I snapped and now I'm going. They kind of became a little bit more elevated. You had to do more in a grand torino is another way like that. There's another one. Yeah. They've tried to make versions of this movie like Jennifer Gardner made peppermint. I never saw that. It's bad. But it was one of those like I think her daughter got killed and she was mad at the legal system did her wrong. So she's starting to take the best one with the lady. What's the best late because Jody Foster made one. Right. That was essentially death wish. Like wasn't good. Yeah. Like what's the best one with the lady where Jennifer Lopez enough that's against one guy. So I had to sleep with the enemy though. I had enough where it was like sleeping with the enemy rip off. But basically her trying to figure out, okay, if this guy comes at me again, I kind of like enough. Well, I like enough. I like enough because sleeping with the enemy, she uses all of her gala with while in enough. She becomes like a MMA fighter. Right. And they sleep with the enemy. She's in danger of the entire movie. Right. Enough's like I'm actually going to train to be this guy. It's good. She looks good in that movie too. The four essentials for a vigilante movie. Our hero was driven to this. Our hero is broken. Our hero might have to cross a couple lines. By the end of the movie, not even sure if our hero is a good guy anymore, he might be just completely gone way too far. Yeah. That's usually when they really work, that's the best where you're like, oh man, I was rooting for this guy. This got dark. Yeah, it's like the moral ambiguity. It feels like a part of it. And this movie, I can't wait to talk about the end because I think it's, it's the most fascinating part of the movie is what they decided to do with the two characters at the end. Also see Craig thought he wasn't going to talk too much. I'm not prepared. Let's look into the game and get some shots up. What's up with you? I got to tell you about Craig Horobak. He just comes in one minute, one minute notice. He's right in the third chair. She was a high percentage. You should mention that's what C.R. was going to be in this Philadelphia movie. Never sought. Yeah. Yeah. What an unbelievable miss by C.R. It's Philadelphia action. Filly. Like also weird C.I.A. government type trained killer type dude, the kind of guys that he likes, Delta 4 Special Forces line this type of shit. I was honestly devastated. One more thing about the visual Annie movie. Yeah. Our hero kind of becomes what he was fighting against. It comes with a despise killer of innocence. Yeah. It comes that to catch a predator. You have to become a predator. That was he held out and crawled out to catch a predator. J.R. Butler said there was one specific criminologist who had written a great paper on serial killers, especially revenge killers, which I guess is its own phylum. He'd gone very much into the obsessive nature of this, but the rewards and how somebody who gets into it can get really carried away in a really egotistical way and enjoy hugely the power they get from it's cathartic. Yeah. You're almost feeling the most in this movie. You'd almost have to, right? Because your belief in the system has to come from this fundamental belief in what should be right and wrong. And that almost always comes from you and the way that you look at the world. This particular guy has been out on ops for the government. By the way, man, that the motherfucking you don't want to learn that the guy that you're fucking with is a secret CIA murder killer, right? Too, too fucking accent to the film. He's effectively Kaiser Soze. Yeah. And they just have no idea the entire time. So to mention we would to go into what you talked about earlier, I wrote down, you know, he's to talk about rust for Westbrook all the time. And now he would bring all of these things to the table, but then take something off the table. And every basketball part does this. But Westbrook was the one you noticed at the most. He was like, Oh, he did all these good things. But man, if he didn't do that. So he's called the 90 10 guy, 90% brought to the table, 10% took off the table, but you really felt his 10%. This movie, the ending is the 10%. I don't like it, but I kind of like watching it and getting mad how they fucked it up. I feel like they were so close to an awesome movie. And then they kind of kind of copped out fans. So why would they ran out of smart? They ran out of smart. A lot of scripts, they have a brilliant conceit, propulsive action. Great. And then they just run out of smart there. It gets to a point to where you don't have that next thing that next turn that makes the movie brilliant. It's the closer. Yeah. You have 44 minutes of the NBA game. But now it's crunch time. I need to run some plays for my best guy. They just couldn't do it. It just feels like it got Hollywooded to death a little bit. I think, because I think the movie would have been better if they, if it was a fight club ending, if it just like he kept going and everything, and he did blow up the town hall. But I would imagine that they testry that or the studio making the movie was like, we just can't do that. We have to have a lot of research on this. There was like a urban legend that Jamie Foxx made them them Hollywood. up the ending and I don't think that's true. I think they really just wanted Fox to be the good guy at the end. And I think it was a huge mistake. - But did you think he the good guy in the end? Like I. - Well that's the thing. I don't think they established enough that he was a good guy to make me feel happy at the recital at the end. It's like, oh man, he made it. 'Cause I don't really like the character. He's one of the worst, most annoying characters I've ever watched in a movie this much. Hate 'em. Absolutely. So how much is it is how it's written and how much of it was the Fox performance? 'Cause I don't think it's weird that he's the weak link of a movie where we have two stars. - Right. - But I don't think he ever figured out what his character was a good guy or not. - I think it's in the script though. - Yeah, I agree. - Because I don't know that they ever give Jamie enough to do or enough of a point of view in this movie. He's so reactive to everything. The only thing they give him, they give him this face. - Yeah, right. The only thing that he knows is that he's the most important thing which is a shitty way to do a character. Meanwhile his foil is legitimately holding the system accountable for not avenging the murder of his wife and daughter. They don't stand to start off with the same moral stakes at all. - Yeah, butler kills him in this movie. Like this is an incredible butler performance. But with Fox, so we really give this a word out. And it's a relative of a reason one, but the clearance worldly should have died at the end of word for biggest cop out of an ending. How should this movie have ended? 'Cause it's a really fun part of about why it's rewatchable. 'Cause every time I watch it, my mind goes into like, "Oh, they should have done this or they should have done that." My guess is, butler should have known the whole time that Fox was gonna know that he had the cell. And when Fox thought he had the way to one up him, butler then had an extra move on top of that move. And like blue Fox up in the cell and got away. He's just like, or got out of the cell. They thought he blew up in the cell, but he didn't. Or like he makes Fox make a decision where he's like, I knew you would know the briefcase was there. So I added a second briefcase. So you can either kill the two of us or kill Town Hall. - Right, right, Chess moves it. And Fox kills himself and, butler and Fox has to die too. - Yeah. - Okay, so I think Fox has to die too. - Which one is, he's outside of the two murderers who deserve to die. Fox is the other person who, I mean, butler kills everyone else around Fox. And Fox is really the one who's most to blame outside of the two murders. - So here's the thing. The movie early on would have had to make a decision about what it was doing. You take the murderer off the table early. So anyone else that he holds accountable now is going to be like ancillary to that. Anyone else that he holds accountable are just going to be people in the system. By that rationale, Fox has to die. What I would say is, but this is seven though, where Gwyneth Paltrow, his boiler, has to be the seventh murder. You can't be like, ah, we can't do that. That's, we'll just do six. - And then the movie dies. - It's a good point 'cause this movie does feel like a bad David Fincher film. - Yeah, but see, but in that movie though, John Doe comes from outside of R2 main leads. So he just acts as a chaos agent. And this one, both guys stand for something. And if you kill Jamie Foxx, then you're almost validating the fact that this dude killed all of these people to get back at the system. Or he blows both of them up and that's how it ends. - And they both out. - I think Foxx has to die. There's another way this could have gone though. And every time I watch it, I always wonder if they entertain this. So he's in the recital at the end. They throw in this scene that's like, hey, just one more scene, just to case the audience doesn't think he's a good guy where he's emotional watching his daughter, but he's got the tie on. And I always wondered like, because we saw him do this earlier with the bad guy with the phone, where he's holding the phone, but it has like whatever those poisons in it, near in the system. And Foxx has the tie. And I always wonder if he touches the tie and then it zooms in on the tie. And there's all these poisons on the tie. - Oh, we are fucking killed. - 'Cause they tease the tie thing, right? 'Cause the guy says the tie. - His colleague is like, oh, he invented this tie that strangled him. - Yeah. - This guy and the tunnel. And so they set that up. And I almost wonder if they had decided that was how it was gonna end and they chickened out. - It just felt like this whole movie was the Dan Campbell, Hail Mary, fuck it, going forward on fourth down. And it feels like the movie went forward on fourth down, the entire movie and then at the very end, they kick a field goal, right? - Good way to put it. - Great way to put it. - So how would you have ended it? Well, for me, I think the ending has to be litigated like earlier in the script. The moment that he kills the cellmate, the moment that he kills the cellmate, you know Drawbuller's out of there. 'Cause he's now leaving such a trail of carnage behind him. - Yeah. - I think Drawbuller at the end would have had to die for something. Or he would have had to make the altruistic decision to not do the terrible thing and give his life up. If he leaves and decides to blow himself up on his own, I think that's an ending that would have suffice. But he went through it then, and then Jamie, who was dumb as fucking rocks throughout the entire fucking movie. - He wrote his. - Subuckets promoted it. And then some as rocks throughout the whole movie ends up outsmarting the CIA badass. It kind of doesn't make any sense. - Where do you stand on Drawbuller? - I don't have a. - Well, yeah, kind of. He's in the Jason Statham camp of like, he's the guy doing his own thing. It's like the two of them are doing their own thing lane, and it's successful when people like it. But I feel like Drawbuller is not kind of in the mainstream public consciousness. - I'm not gonna say my take yet, but I'm higher on him than that. Where are you? - So he's one of the guys to me that settled into something that I didn't think he was gonna settle into. When after 300 came out, I thought Drawbuller was gonna be Bill Gibson. I thought he was going to be that. - For Russell Crowe, or Russell Crowe, or whoever. I thought he was going to be the. - I completely agree. - That level of guy. He comes back in a movie that like, wasn't well regarded, but I love Rock'n'Rola, the Guy Richie movie. And he does a couple of things. It's like, this guy has something. And then it's kind of. - It's gonna give you 20 plus years. - Mid 2000's Phantom of the Opera in 300. Now he's like, you're looking at him like a lottery pick. Like he's. I don't know, like Drake May right now or somebody. '07, '09, kind of gets sucked into the rom-coms. - That's a terrible fucking game. He put the good ones. - That's week one, Dan, come on. He does PS, I love you with Hillary Swank. - He tried it, yeah. - Not on the rewatch, but it's less. The ugly truth with Catherine Hagel. Also terrible. '09 and '10, he does law-abiding citizen in the bounty hunter with Aniston. And they kind of try to pretend they're maybe together, but who knows. 12 and 13 does Chasey Mavericks and Olympus is fallen. Chasey Mavericks is one of my wife's favorite movies of the last 15 years. - Yeah, he's gonna love the two. - He absolutely loves it. Watches it all the time. And Olympus is fallen. Ironically going against Jamie Foxx and White House down. Two White House invasion movies, basically. Denny Thieves 2018, Greenland and Plane. Mostly settled into action, rom-com. I just felt like there was a lot more there for him. - Well, he settled into the mid-level action movie. He settled into being one of the guys who you see him in movies and the movies are better than you think they are. - Denny Thieves is the perfect example. - Right. - He's completely overqualified to be big dick neck and in Denny Thieves and that's one of the reasons it's really good. - Right. - He's too good to be in it. - Right. - I thought there was more there. Oh, it's like some Scottish guy. I think he's aged in a way where it seems like he's had some hard days and hard nights. - Yeah. - It's had a few. - Did you watch Greenland? - I actually never saw Greenland. You like it? - You like that movie. - It's good. - Yeah. - 'Cause they made a sequel, so I've looked at them. - Yeah, Greenland, the sequel is very, very bad. But I gotta watch out. I'm gonna watch it. - If you watch Greenland, it's not what you think it is. It's good. Fox had a collateral on Ray back to back. Wednesday Oscar for Ray. Falls that up with Stealth and Jarhead and Miami Vice and Dreamgirls in the Kingdom. By the late 2000s, he's in the soloist, law abiding citizen. He's in Valentine's Day. Kind of never, never figure out how to leverage the Oscar into big ass movies. And this was one of the last stands for him for Jamie's Delete of a Movie. And it's gonna make $100 million. I think it started to tip down. I don't think he ever really figured out what Lane to go to. - He never lost the Jamie Foxxness of it, which is whenever you see Jamie Foxx in the movie, you're like, oh man, it's Jamie Foxx. I was watching this movie and then I watched Horrible Bosses. And he just adds so much to Horrible Bosses and the little bit that he's in the movie. So a lot of actors act themselves out of their celebrity. They act themselves out of you caring that they're in the movie. He never did that. But he never actually then became the guy that you build a whole movie franchise around or something like that. - I was feeling like he was better as the second guy. Like he was kind of overqualified, even in Miami Vice, which he barely says anything, but he's got so much charisma in that movie. Collateral, he's great playing off Cruz. And I was like, when he was in that thing. But I don't, I almost feel like he would have been better off doing like a true detective season two, season three. You know, some sort of prestige TV thing. - It's surprising how quiet the last 10 years of his career has been. I feel like he has everything. I feel like he's got looks, he's got charisma, he's a good actor. He can actually become characters. And there hasn't been a ton. - And everybody loves him. The thing is that he does so much though. - He's funny. - He does so much that it's never really quiet. Because when you don't see Jamie on screen, you see Jamie on stage. When you don't see Jamie on stage, you see him on television as a television host. He's one of those like five-tool people [BLANK_AUDIO] it's like almost ubiquitous in culture. So you don't think of the fact that damn, it's been a while since I saw the Jamie Fox movie. You don't think about it 'cause you're always seeing Jamie Foxx. You can get entertainment from so many different places. - Yeah and I think sometimes you can just have too many choices. It's like he was almost too good at too many different things. Like he's also one of the great talk show podcast guests ever. - Yeah, yeah. - He could host anything. - He's so good, he's really funny. - He's great at impressions. - Yeah. - He also had like, he had Fox whole radio, which was already, like that was hysterical. So even if you are not getting your entertainment from Jamie in the movies, you're gonna get it from somewhere so you don't think about the any one thing that you're not doing that you're not getting it. So was it tough for you and if you did it with Diddy, like what side were you on? Did you feel like you were both sides? - Yeah, were you on the side of Diddy or Jamie Foxx? - Where was the Jamie Foxx Diddy for you? I don't remember. - You were talking about like after the day, you know, look at you trying to get a little spicy at the beginning of the day. - Hey, why not? - Oh, I thought it was a Friday. - At this point, it would be fun to be at this point, at this point it would be hard to be on Diddy's side with fucking anything, right? - I'd have. - Yeah. - That's the tough for you. Shut the hell up, man. - Okay, Bill, you want to start going back? I could throw some jokes. - Oh, sorry. - I could have been fucking in the podcast. (laughing) - This movie was directed by F. Garry Gray. - Right. - Who we just did another F. Garry Gray movie. What, how many weeks ago? - Yeah, what was it? - It was Italian, Italian job. - Yeah, F. Garry Gray, Italian job. - You know what I thought of? - I like F. Garry Gray. - You do. - I think his movies have like a splashy style to them. It's a little like a discount Michael Bay. - Sure. - Not over the top like Michael Bay is, but same kind of, just you feel him. - Yeah. - Good explosions, good music in the right spots. I enjoy what he does. - I feel and cool. - Yeah. - He's trying some stuff. - Yeah. - Good director. - Yeah. - Written by Kurt Wimmer. We have people like Bruce McGill and Carl Mini. I think I said his name correctly. He's another Scottish guy. Leslie Bibb, Regina Hall is the wife with really no role at all in the movie. Just a couple of lines. 53 million dollar budget made $127.9 million. - Pretty good. - I somehow didn't see this in the theater. I don't know what was going on with me. - Yeah, this is the R.L.I. phase where I was just going to see, I was just like making it. - Yeah, this was right in my will house. - I didn't want to go see this in the theater. And it was interesting because both of these guys were kind of still in their assances. We were still kind of in the Jamie Assance. We were definitely in the Butler Assance. So it was like putting these guys together. I was like, what are they going to cook up? - Well, 'cause this was his, this was Gerard Butler's first movie after 300? - No, he didn't come around cops. But it was like, he's going to have a moment right now. - Sure. - I don't know who is Gerard Butler right now. - I mean, sleep. I mean, I'm like the younger version. - Early 30s, mid 30s. People wanting to happen. They really don't have any Gerard Butler's right now because the guys, our guys right now, the grizzled white boy of that age is not around like the Russell Crowe time. - Everyone's a little prettier now. - Everybody's a little prettier now. - You can't say Glenn Powell 'cause Glenn Powell's not really the same boss. - He's going for the Tom Cruise thing. - Yeah. - It's funny 'cause I was thinking for recasting if this movie was 2026. MBJ would clearly be the lawyer. And then I was trying to think who would be Butler and I was trying to workshop like Glenn Powell as the guy and I was like, I just think he's too likeable. - Well, you didn't see, it wasn't hard. - You didn't see, it wasn't hard. - Bartla has like a little bit of a dark side where you feel like some bad shits happened on 20 years ago. - Yeah, you like, Glenn almost went for that a runny man. - Didn't really work. - It didn't work. It's more, you just want to hang with him. - Very shocking. - The interesting point though, like we don't have a lot of like gruff male up-and-coming stars like that now. - It's two buckets that I'm missing. Number one, the, and this might sound stupid, but like the 30, 35 year old, 40 year old, like really Italian American star that like does like the Moff, like the Nero, the guy for now, like those guys like that. And then you also don't have the man's man guy. I thought that Miles Teller, I always thought that Miles Teller would like kind of jump into that that Miles Teller kind of brought that, but kind of, when he got jacked in Top Gun Maverick. - Yeah. - Yeah, 'cause basically you're saying a guy who could play a cop in a buddy movie, a guy who could play this guy in law-biting citizen, and a guy who could be in a rom-com. Solven's off with a rom-com. - So three, you have to be able to have those three moves. - Yeah, someone where when you see them in prison and they're ripped and they're beating the shit out of somebody, you believe it. - Like Brad Pitt would have been awesome in this movie, right? - Yeah. - And there's that we're not making like Brad Pitt's in the same way. - Well, Brad Pitt also, he's so pretty though, and his star brings so much-- - So much. - But he can do his ugly Brad Pitt. - He can, but he would have elevated this movie to a point to where you'd have to bring in Mark Scorsese to direct this bitch. Like he would have, it's like Brad Pitt's version of this movie is way, way up the escalator. - I like your idea that this was kind of a discount picture movie. - Yeah. - Like if he went bankrupt, if he'd been in the bird he made off thing and he'd need it a job. - Yeah. - I'm like, "All right, I'll do love. "I'll make love by the citizen cool." - 'Cause there's a couple moments that are pretty smart in this movie, but overall, it's not as slick as it thinks it is. It's just like this, I just think the script isn't as good as it could be to actually get to that point where you're like, "Wow, this is a fincher level." - What kind of action mystery? - Well like the game is like this, right? The game landed the ending. - Yes. - This is just not quite the dialogue, it's just not quite there to be an elevated movie. - The thing about the game though-- - But it's there to be a rewatchable. - The thing about the game though, is that movie is a little too smart for some people. Like some people that feel like that movie's a little high-cut. - Second, it's like a riddle. - Yeah, this film didn't want to be too smart for people, but it also didn't want to be too dumb for them. - Yeah. - So it eliminated everybody. - Is it Austin Butler? I know he's kind of, he can kind of play it both ways. - Little bit, but like not, still, we'll see, maybe, we'll see. - I never know 'cause you never would have told me, I never would have believed Kiano could have been for John Wick's. - Right. - Never saw that at any point in his career, that art could happen. So sometimes people can surprise you. This surprised me. Ebert, three stars. - Like that. - He wrote, "Law-Biting Citizen" is one of those movies you like more at the time than in retrospect. I mean, come on, you're thinking. Still, there's something to be said for a movie you like well enough at the time. So I think he had a good time at the art light. - I think he probably did. - I respect that. - Now, did he write that? Then, or did you have a write-in a couple of days ago? - You know I'm going to be too bad. - Are you like, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you a truth or are you with this? - Oh, he can't make fun of you now. - Oh, I can't make fun of you now. - He can't make fun of me now. - My Roger Ebert character that I created. - There's very few movies that are like, like to Roger Ebert's point about in the moment, the second I finished this movie, I did just go into the bedroom and I was like, "Liz, I gotta tell you about this movie for 60 minutes." I just described the whole movie to her. - That's the type of movie that it is. Like, and somebody actually said that in another review that I read, someone said, is the type of movie that, like right after you come out of it, you're going to be like, "I fucking loved it." But then you're going to sit with it for a while, you're going to be like, "Wait a minute." - Yeah, like, I watched it with my wife and Ben, because Ben had never seen it. And Ben really liked it. My wife was like, "This is terrible. I can't believe I'm bad. This is what the hell's going on." And then when Leslie Bibb's car blew up, she was like, "Wow." I was like, "Oh, you're it. You got sucked in." We were going to take a break and then we're going to do a rewatch almost. - Imagine setting your makeup. Meet new groupie setting mist from Mabelie, New York. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours, with flexible all day comfy grip. Just plump, dewy, hydrated skin. That still feels like your skin. Try new groupie setting mist from Mabelie, New York. - Maybe it's Mabelie. - Most rewatchable scene. I had a surprising amount of them. Jamie Foxx's character meets Clyde. Why didn't you want to try the case? I had not put in the opening scene as a rewatchable scene. That's it. - Yeah, I think we can stay away from that. - That's a brutal one. Foxx didn't want to try the case. Home invasion, murdered little girl rape. Not interested. Just wants to plea bargain this thing. It's going on. What happened to DNA evidence? Oh, it wasn't admissible. It wasn't you have a witness? - You have, I'm sure all kinds of fluids and blood. - What, how is this case terrible? - Crazy picking. - This is beyond a picking net. - But this is, he's explaining it. I'm like, what, you can't try the case. - You have eyewitness, you have DNA. - He's like, you black down, you can't be an eyewitness. - This is one of the most detestable scenes in a movie that I love because he is sitting down here telling this man who has been through hell and back. - Yeah, he can't give him justice. - This guy watched his wife get raped and his daughter get killed. He's like, yeah, yeah, we're just going to plea bargain. - This is a victory. - What the fuck are you talking about? Get the fuck out of my face. - And he shakes his hand. Yeah, are there not fluids, DNA, fingernails, hair? Wouldn't it be everywhere? - Right. - It's not what you know, Clyde. It's what you can prove in court. - Well, you have a witness and evidence. - I was right there when they broke in. - And he's two scumbags. And he said, this is just the justice system works. This is a victory for us. - After this scene, you're like, I want this guy to kill everybody and buff. Just kill all of them. I don't know if I'm a dark person, but my next rewatchable scene is the lethal injection scene gone wrong. - It's a good thing. - It's a good scene. And in general, like lethal injection movie scenes, you always feel like it's never gonna happen. going to go seem something weird. It's always going to happen. It feels like I I don't think I've ever seen a lethal injection seen. I was I was kind of morbidly curious about how it went. I actually had no real sense of how it would go. Is it do people do you like 10 people go watch it? Yeah, they do. Really? Some of the police people and then some of the victims families and stuff like that. They will check out. Why do the police need to be there? I guess to make sure it happened. I don't know. They worked the case. I don't know. I just find a fascinating that like Jamie Foxx is like, Hey, Leslie, babe, let's go watch this. Like, why did she need to see that? It's even better. He missed his daughter's violin recital. I gotta go. Bro, this is the thing. This guy sucks, bro. This guy. This is the thing. We're going back and forth from a cello recital with his daughter to him choosing to go watch somebody get fucking executed for no reason. Don't have to be there for no reason whatsoever. He's like, sorry, babe, I got it. God, you know, I'm busy tonight. This is one of my favorite tropes and movies when we get to the Floyd award later. Yeah. Like something traumatic has to happen for a guy like be a father to care about his life. I didn't want to go to my kids little league game until after the terrorist attack. It's like now 25 innocent civilians. You see him going. Yeah, I can fix it. I'm a human being now. Right. Darby finally goes down as our next rewatchable scene perfectly executed by Clyde. He have a feeling he's doing it, especially when there's like there's a cop who's passed out or not, whatever, but he plays this fantastically great cameo by Darby's, I guess side piece. Just slumped on the ground and get up. Couldn't be grosser in every respect. Why she illegal, by the way, he goes, you're fucked. Don't want the table bitch on the ground. I'm like, why she illegal? You can't he can't fuck? Yeah. Is that one of the terms of his bro? Darby goes and then the gun reveal. So good. Now we've never seen that in a movie. Now we in the shit. Yeah. The moment because they don't do the thing where they try to hide that is him. You can see that is him. Yeah. So you know that the surprise is coming somewhere else. So it's got to be a pretty good surprise. So when he shoots the gun and the barbs come out now the movie has fucking started. Tetra Detoxin found in pufferfish that black nerfs singles by binding to voltage gated sodium channels. Who figured that out? Yeah. What was the trial ever getting there? I'm surprised. Bell check that he used it on the footballs of the Patriots. I look at how it's real. Yeah, paralyzes you, but you still feel pain. I'm like, how the fuck did they think about the pufferfish probably hit a couple people? Sure. Or animal and they were like, some sick fuck. We could take what the pufferfish does and do it to a person. It's the only thing missing in downtown LA right now is some pufferfish. Clyde pretending to confess to Jamie Foxx's character. What's his nick? Nick. Clyde pretending to confess to Nick, but doesn't actually confess, which weirdly this movie is a totally watchful. When you're rewatching it and you watch how he does the dialogue and he's nodding, but he's not confessing. So he's like, yeah, I did dream about potentially murdering, but he doesn't actually admit that he murdered Foxx's so stupid he falls for it. So here's the deal. I feel like a smarter movie lets that whole scene play out. Then all of these things start happening. I totally agree. And then they come back to that and he goes, well, did I actually confess? Yeah. Instead, he's like, he does his whole spiel. And then literally five seconds, goodbye. So you see what I did there, Nick? Right away. Yeah. Right away. After he does the whole day, as he tells him that he didn't really mean it and he doesn't have anything on him. It's just too straight. This is where it's like discount fincher because in fincher it'd be like an hour later. Yeah. Yeah. Session would come back and they're dropping a coffee. They're listening to the tape and they're like, oh, he actually never or somebody else tells him. He's like, I got the guy in confession. He goes, what'd you get, Nick? What the fuck did you get? The guy never says anything. And then like that happens later on. And it burns on the third line. Well, then he got that sets up talking to the judge, which I see now. I love because he says the title of the movie. Your honor. I'm a law abiding citizen. But then he gets mad and he goes, you're about to let me go. Are you fucking kidding me? And you're like, oh, calls her a bitch. She gets, she starts banging the gavel. You probably take it in the ass. I'll, bro. That's fucking hysterical. That should not be funny. But it's like, you fucking bitch. You probably take a guess. What? What was wrong with that? She could do that if she was. Why are you judging her? I'm not judging the judge. Next scene might be my, my pick. That's so funny. He's so mad, bro. Fucking bitch. I'm so sorry. It's not that good. It's so fucked up. Well, we're now we're in the jail cell. He's ordering from Del Frisco steakhouse and his new mattress with his big burly cell mate. And it's just eating a steak as he said in these dudes up. He in the sport. Yeah. Which then he proceeds to stab this dude 20 times and Bangkok, Craig loved this thing. Well, it's not. He makes a shit out of the bone in the steak. That's what he said. I thought it was the sport. No, no, no, he didn't want to steak because he knows he can make a shit out of the bone. How did I miss this when I've seen this movie nine times? I'm stupid. It's Jimmy Fox's character. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no. He used the bone. That's part of like how ingenious he is. That's why he orders the steak so he can get the bone. He's like ripping off the meat to give to the guy, but he's keeping the bone. Well, he stabs the guy 20 times so that blood goes absolutely everywhere. And he's playing an iPad. He's playing eminence front, whatever else is going on. That is the point. I guess I should have known that that wasn't a sport. Yeah. I mean, powerful sport. I don't know. But that is later I'm picking nits. That is the person. Can't you really stab somebody 20 times of the sport? Now, I feel better. It was. That is in the movie like when because this movie wants to keep you confused. And for a lot of time, it does. But like when I was first watching it, that was the part to where I was most confused because I was like, what kind of movie do we have if he kills that guy? That guy having what's the purpose of killing? Why is he doing this? Is he just hate having a sellmate? What's going on? And then it's clever when he wants to be moved to solitary for a specific reason. Well, you didn't realize is that he spent the last eight years digging tunnels under the jail right to every single cell perfectly so that whatever cell he went into. I could use the flashback of the 10 years of him preparing. Oh, yeah. At some point, he's explaining it and he's and you're seeing it. I spent 10 years digging tunnels, making my plan, rigging cell phones. I would have been cool to see that. But at that point in the movie though, you now know he doesn't care who he hurts. It's not just going to be the people involved. It's going to be a lot of collateral damage. Next scene is the cell phone blows the judge up. This is an all-timer. My favorite scene in the movie. At a fucking nowhere. And she's kind, you know, she's kind of feeling it. She's talking about a week in there. They're not subtle with the messaging of the movie. We're in like the line right before she blows her head blows up is like, I'm the judge. I can do whatever the fuck I want. And then her head blows up. So, you know, the movie's trying to tell you like justice department thumbs down. That is horror movie level shot. I like jumped out of my seat. I almost texted you guys again because I texted you once after the first scene of the movie saying holy shit. Right. And this one is the next huge jump scare. We're watching the movie. We're sitting down. It happens. And Klee could just go, uh-uh. Well, you say it before she's like, I can't do this on a Wednesday. I'm out. Well, so she missed the next scene, which is when he blows up every one of the parking lot, including poor Leslie Bibb, another jump scare. Who's 35 who's giving up her career and probably will never have kids to to serve Jamie Foxx. Why did you get to blow up in a car? Why did Jamie Foxx make everybody go to the office at 6 a.m. to wait and see if they might die? Great question. Yeah. Like because you know, he was like, 6 a.m. It's going to happen. And they're all just in the office. Why aren't they home? Why aren't they like in a park? Why aren't they as far apart? Why have been in like Mexico? Yeah. Why is that staring at the car? My dad's having a procedure. I got a flat of Boston. I see you guys the two weeks. Why is the DA like on the beat of the case like this in the first place? Why is the DA in a chopper going all in this place? Why is all it is happening? Is that like, are there any other crimes in Philadelphia? Yeah. Like why is the DA the one? He's like a the grizzled detective on this. I felt really bad for Leslie Bibb. Her that scene where she opens both doors and she realizes she can't get out and she kind of gives Nick a look. Pretty brutal. Yeah. I didn't expect it. I have something to say later on. Maybe find a husband so that you don't blow up alone. Is that what you're going to say? Let's see. The funeral scene. Really great. The drone gun. And you don't know who's at that point the movie makes you think he's getting help from the outside. There's a second person. Right. Because nobody would ever think he could just be sneaking in and out of whatever. But uh, that guy Jonas gets shot like nine times and then blown up by a grenade launcher. I'd be like so long. I like the finishing touch of the rocket at the end. Say who we share is dead. I wrote down the first 80 minutes of this movie is just a leap. Yeah. This is the 80 minute mark. This is like, basically like they've taken us almost to the finish line. Now just run a good play. Score your touchdown and go home. But now we find out we we find out that he tunneled into prison. That's the next scene. And then the last one is Nick confronts Clyde. I don't make deals with murderers Clyde. You taught me that. Fish boat should have blown up and but they give himself 25 seconds to leave. I like the almost operatic beauty of watching the fire slowly rise around him while you look special. Yeah, while you look at the bracelet that is done it made for. So what's your most rewatchable cell phone? My most rewatchable is the cell phone easily, but also Nick and Clyde's first interrogation scene is one of my favorite scenes in the movie because you have butlers cooking. Phone. But honorable mention we didn't even mention the torture scene Bangkok crake love the torture scene. When he's explaining everything he's doing to Darby when he puts the ceiling mayor when the mirror. He's fucking great. It's like I'm going to cut your islands off. He can't close your eyes. It's so hard to watch. But kids want to watch. Yeah. He's recording it. I'm like, why is he recording it? He sends the tape to Nick's house. Really tough. Mine is I like the cell mate. I like the cell phone and I like the parking lot. That whole stretch is fantastic. That's where it's like we're pasting Dan Campbell's like going for it on fourth and 38 at this point. You don't even know where it's going. What's the most 2009 thing about this movie? It's got to be a crucial iPod scene. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Two years later that no way this happens, right? Because everything comes out on the phone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is kind of the end of the iPod. It's like one of those big fat ones. And you had to plug it into the big speakers. I also had no social media in place to be outraged by the plea bargain for the two killers. Like that would have been a big thing on Twitter. Right. Can you fucking believe it? That's fucking trash. Can you turn into a Karen Reed case? Yeah. The sky. Why wouldn't he try the case? They definitely did it. Well, that's what I have. The existence of true crime would have completely changed this movie. Right. They would have done documentary about this. Yeah. By the way, the documentary about Clyde after he did all the stuff he did. But that's 10 parts. I know. Should have done that. Yeah. After Clyde did all it is. Clyde's going to be fucking hero. There's going to be a Clyde side of Twitter, the Clyde Proud Boys faction, Clyde, go be the fucking man. What's the name of the guy who killed the United CEO? There'd be a little bit of that. Yeah. He's the whole fucking shit Clyde. You're going to be the man in the world we live in today. They should just make a true crime documentary about Clyde. Like he was a real person. I agree. That's a good idea. Making fake documentaries about fictional crime characters is kind of awesome. Fantastic. Yeah. It's a clad. People. We should talk about this. We should take this out of podcast. That's pretty good. And we should do a ringer movie staying where we do fake true crime docs about characters and we should actually do that. True crime doc about John Doe from Seven is kind of sweet. Well, like you can even you could do like how many the victims of you don't quote me home. Like how many people over the course of his life, the video quote me home kill. The problem is is you have to get some of the actors to come back and reprise their roles for the interview. Yeah, they tried this. They did a fake 30 30 that I was not involved with about Drago. I think didn't work. Oh, it sucks. Yeah. Too corny. Because wouldn't you need like Brad Pitt from Seven to sit back down and character and give an interview? Yeah. Maybe. Maybe you would. Or if you had the right voiceover, you, you, you wouldn't need it. I mean, you could do it without it. But. Yeah. Yeah. The Floyd Gunday butter in my ass. Lollipops in my mouth. The word for something. I just enjoy. So for me, it's any movie where a lawyer is trying to protect either a high conviction rate or high plea bargain rate. I always love this. They was putting the first. They didn't feel good. Been. First 20 minutes. What kind of lawyer are you? Oh, well, you plea bargain 98% of the time, Kathy. You always know the guy's a piece of shit. It's the easiest way to explain it. That was advocate. Come. That was advocate. Kayla Reeves. The God fucking never loses, right? The part of his hubris in the entire devil's a advocate, like, oh, you thought I was saying I want to be the devil's advocate. No. In the movie, the devil's advocate. That's another. Literally devil's advocate. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. What do you have for Gunday? Oh, I said earlier, I like movies where something tries to cast a happen for God to be a father. Like he's not a dad. He's not a dad. Right. He doesn't go to a different owner. A cellar is set on his life. Doesn't go to his son's baseball game. Darius take over the town, kill 50 people, and after that the last scene of the movie, he's at his son's baseball game. That's what it took for him to go out there and coach him how to throw a fastball, which like isn't connected like Nick going to his daughter's cellar recital isn't connected to what he learned from the movie. Which is why if the tie started strangling him, like, I don't what is the, I don't know. If the tie starts strangling him during the cellar recital, this movie is fucking amazing. Like honestly, this is, this becomes, this becomes like a seven level kind of twist. He's like, while Clyde taught me a lot about the justice system, so I have to go to my daughter's cellar recital. Right. Exactly. My whole fucking team is dead. Everybody's dead. A guy got stabbed with a bone in his neck. So now I have to go watch her player instrument. Plus, I'm now the DA and the mayor of Philadelphia. I got promoted three times. I have all four of the high-ranking jobs at the city. What's age the best? So initially Fox was going to be the, the Clyde. Butler was going to be the lawyer and Butler pushed to flip it. Oh, Butler pushed to flip it. Yeah. Butler had a whole, I'll find it. I think it's better the way it is. He said, maybe I think Jamie plays that role, though, better than he played his, I think Jamie probably, I think he plays his role better, but I don't think it's a good use of Butler. I think Butler's awesome in his role. Yeah. I think Jamie's going to be better than him. Butler said, I became seduced by the other role. I'd often played more heroic, more straightforward, subtle journey. I wanted something that could get my teeth into and I asked if Jamie would be interested in doing the other role. It's awesome. Yeah. The fact that they, that they could talk about that, the movie was supposed to go that way and then they flip roles. I think it's a worse movie. I wouldn't buy Butler as the lawyer. I think it's probably a worse movie. It is, I think it's a better role for Jamie, though, and the fact that he was, the fact that it's an away game for him. Anyway, a good role for anybody. Yeah. Like this could have been, I even think like Tom Cruise, like name anybody. Another way to say it's the best, the all new to rest, what a choice. The cops are coming, I'm stripping all my clothes, I'm just going to, she's going to flap it around. He's, he's the, Butler added himself to the pantheon. I've talked about this before, of white guys on their way up and their sex in this show their butts to the camera. Him, Kevin Costa, Rada Hood, minute thieves, Mel Gibson, butts to the camera, Tom Cruise, butts to the camera, very important to white guys. Also, Gerard Butler is a hairy guy. Yeah. Scottish. Bear naked ass. Nothing. Not a hair on it. They always do that in movies. These, these hairy men, when they have to show their butts, no hair ever, do you think they get waxed? 100%. 100%. I just think no matter what, they're like, they can't be a hairy ass on screen. I, I'm surprised he didn't go salt burn on us and do a little self fluffing for the front shot. Can we get it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. More would say it's the best Philly is a movie location. I don't know how to rate it. Always good. I always forget where we are right away, but then as we do it and you're in the city, it's like, I kind of like it. Everything's confined. That's why it's an awesome movie location because you don't recognize it like off the bat, but you know that it looks cool. Yeah. I wish they used it a little more. I wish Clyde was like the Rocky statue. He was going to explode at midnight. That would have been cool. Oh, my God. The spectrum. Yeah. I think the city wouldn't have been upset until the Rocky statue was just blown up. The Liberty Bell. That's pretty good. I have one more would say it's the best, but you have any? Regina Hall. She's in this movie only for like a couple of scenes. She was already building like a phenomenal career, but like you see her, she looks beautiful. She's amazing. And she still brings like a gravitas to the character to where you know, like, now you see the credit she has now. You can see it right there, even in the smaller role. She's like three scenes too short in this movie, but I saw this movie is almost two hours as it isn't. My other would say to the best, I like when a guy has a special set of skills that you need another character to explain. And in this case, he basically can kill anyone unconventionally, but you need the guy to come in who's, you know, we're in like a tunnel with this dude. We don't know where that character came from. He's like, you don't understand. You can get to anyone. He doesn't have to be there. It's like, okay, cool. That's the house of cards guy, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great shot. Gordor award. Probably the naked arrest. Did you like, huh? It's like the most deliberate shot. I thought it was the burning at the end when he's in the air and it's like, yeah, okay. Big Cooner burger or best use of food or drink, the Del Frisco steakhouse, uh, actually made me kind of hungry. Food looked pretty good. I would have thrown in some potatoes or grout maybe. I don't know if I would have included a sparing dish like this. No, I'm not. What do you eat with your steak then? What's your green? I mean, sure. On a normal day, but if we're in like final meal territory, I don't know if I'm including a vegetable. That's true. Our director, Gary Gray, um, threw this in because they had been eating at at Del Frisco Steakhouse, and really liked it. So wanted to work them into the buffet for them about it. Got it, little perk, little steak perk. Chess Rockwell, Brock Landers Award for Best Character Name. So Butler's character is named Clyde Shelton and Fox's character is named Nick Rice. Kind of makes sense that initially, Jamie Fox's character was supposed to be Clyde Shelton and Gerard Butler was supposed to be Nick Rice. And they flipped it, flipped the names. - How many white guys named Clyde in American History? - That's really good. - Three? - Yeah, I didn't even think about that. What are the names? - Nick Rice. - Jamie Fox does not look like a Nick Rice. - What if his name was supposed to be Darius Jackson? (laughing) They just don't, they just leave. (laughing) - Kid Cudi pursued happiness where a best needle drop eminence front eminence front by the who, remember it from Craig's favorite show on Tarush? - Yeah. - Which side were you on when Doug Allen versus Grineer and Piven with the bed ads? - Well, I'm not on the side of Jake Paul ever. So I guess I'll have to take Ellen's, right? - Team Ellen. - Yeah. - I don't like it. - I don't like it. - The fuck you guys are talking about. - What do you think? - We're talking about the gambling ad with Piven and Grineer and it seemed like an on-tarage scene, but it wasn't. - You didn't see that, Jake Paul? - And the on-tarage creator got upset about it. - Jake Paul is a gambling app. Made a commercial for it. - Tim, you don't miss anything on the internet. I don't understand. - It starts Piven and Adrian Grineer. - Well, what era is this? - What do you mean? - Two weeks ago. - Yeah. - Oh, it just happened, okay, cool. - I'm off Twitter. - And they're playing Ari Gold and Vinny Chase, but they don't see their names. But they're clearly, they're speaking like them. They're at a party and there's like a, now, I think HBO-- - HBO. - It's doing this. - Piven shows up and he's trying to get in the party and that's for his name and he's like, Ted Lasshole. And he's like, there's my movie star, motherfucker. And it's like, okay, this is playing an on-tarage show. - Oh, yeah. - And it's like a big wide shot of a party and it's Jake Paul's party and it just feels like-- - Why don't you like it? - Because it felt like an on-tarage show. - It was like a blatant. - Also, he didn't like it 'cause of that. Not 'cause of that. - Well, 'cause he was basically made, it seemed like it was the two characters. - Oh, okay. - It didn't make it seem like it was Piven. - Okay, so it was a creative thing for him. - He wasn't like, don't use it for that. - Ellen wasn't included in the process. - Oh, I see, I see, I see. - And he was just like, this is a watered-down version of, you know. - The funniest thing was he started out like, I'm not gonna make a big deal out of this so even though it was kind of cheesy, I still kind of like seeing them at Grenier and-- - I kind of be out of that. - I kind of mature the two. - I was like, "Fidz, you go back and if you spin the show, you are so happy to be back in the world, bro." It's just, it's a fun time. Reminds you of a fun time. - Next little snapshot of LA in the 2000s. - They can relaunch it now and I'd watch every episode. - It'd be much more interesting. - From your mouth to Doug Allen's ears. - He's ready. - Was there a better title for this movie? - I want to say yes, but I couldn't come up with the title, so I have one. - Okay. - The name of my title is "Shut the hell up, Nick." That's the name of my title. That's the name of my whole movie. - Every time Nick says something, every time Nick says something, the opposite happens in a terrible fucking way. He's out there with his home crew. They're in the parking lot and he goes, we're gonna find this guy and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Everyone dead. Every time he says something. - So if he just doesn't speak, if he just fucking chills, maybe everything is okay, but legitimately. Every time Nick has a thought, the opposite, they make this guy look so dumb throughout this entire movie. - It's a good point. I love the scene when Clyde's like, get me a nice mattress and I'll confess. And then Nick leaves and he's like, we don't negotiate with murderers. And it's seems like, what the fuck you talking about? Get him a mattress. - He's gonna confess. - Ben, you have a flex category. - Yeah, so my top five, we shouldn't have fuck with this guy movie. - Okay, so there's a lot of movies like this out here, but I tried to use body counts and consequences to qualify this list. You have to have Death Wish on the list at five, but like Death Wish has sort of a conservative body count with all of the only. - Yeah, I think so. - In the first movie with the entire movie, he kills 125 people. So she never mess with 125 people died. Number four, the equalizer, Denzel. Okay, she left him alone. Robert was chilling and a lot of stuff, but throughout that, he becomes a vigilante, kills the whole Russian mob over the course of three movies, kills up a bunch of people. Number three, Taken. - Yep. - Taken is interesting in this, because what you guys talked about before, Taken, I feel like is the only one where somebody else didn't describe to us how good Brian Mills is. Brian said it. So like normally you bring a guy in just like just the baddest motherfucker ever. But Brian goes, no, I have a very particular set of skills. He also told this guy, "I don't really care about human trafficking. If you give me my daughter back, you can trafficking all you want." - Right, I'm not gonna sub out. - Yeah, I'm not gonna bother you. But I like that. So so Brian was a self-promoter. Brian was a self-promoter. 'Cause we just stayed Rambo too with Kyle Brandt. Kyle Brandt was saying, "Now, Troutman was Rambo's wrestling manager basically." - Yeah. - He's like, "You don't understand what we've got here. The man's a killing machine." - Everybody else has somebody to come and try. - Right, but like Brian was like, "I'm gonna come to get you. I have all of these skills." I'm a daughter girl. All right, number two is first blood. Rambo was not bothering anyone. Brian didn't. - Just wanted to run some breakfast. - Just walking through the town. Walk through the town. He got to listen to him at one time. Like very sincerely and goes, why are you riding me like, what are you doing? - Yeah. - Goes to the wood, kills all the cops. Over these movies, he went around the world killing. Killed in the US, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Myanmar, Mexico, they initiated Rambo and people died everywhere. There's an alternate universe where he's just working at a blockbuster through the entire '80s. - Where he started an Italian restaurant in the Pacific Northwest, just chilling. He's going to therapy. - It's cut. - Kanging out with his Rambo's Italian restaurant, "Risteria." - Exactly the whole deal. He's not bothering no one. But they fuck with him and they unleashed the demon. Number one, obviously John Wick. They killed the dog. Then John Wick preceded to kill 439 people in seven months. 439 people in seven months after they stole the car and killed the dog. He completely obliterated the high table. It is one of the worst mistakes in the history of organized crime in movies. It's a good list. - Rebel Ridge. Shout out other movies around that didn't make it, but Rebel Ridge is another one. What are they going to write? - Me to Rebel Ridge too. - Rebel Ridge. - Rebel Ridge 3, yeah. That was a good one. We'll take a break, then we'll do Butch's girlfriend. Meet new groupie setting mist from Maybelline New York. Try new groupie setting mist from Maybelline New York. - Maybe it's Maybelline. - Butch's girlfriend award for Luke, weak link of the film. This could go a lot of ways. Couldn't he have just killed everyone normally? Nick. - Okay, not Nick. - Clyde. - Couldn't Clyde have just, did he need to take 10 years to do this elaborate murder of everybody? Could have just killed Derby when he got out of jail? - Yeah. - Could have killed all the people. He could have killed the judge, he just kind of stipered him. He had to dig tunnels for 10 years. - But I was revenge. - What was his ultimate point? - The system was fucked up. Just kill everybody. - But if you're killing everyone anyway. - But if he anonymously is killing all these people, he's not a public figure in prison who's making a point to the justice system. And everybody knows that this man who was wronged by the system is now getting his employees low. So let's say we're friends with Nick. Nick's like, here's my plan. We're like, dude, just kill everyone. - You make Clyde. - You make Clyde. - Clyde. - Yeah. - Clyde, just kill everyone. - Yeah. - This would be 10 years of your life. Just take them all out. - Because you know how to kill people. - Yeah. - Just get out of it. - He could still like write letters and send emails. - Right. - He could probably go on the news, do an interview after he does it all. - Yeah. - Wait, look at him. Then we'll have him more. - Derby gets out after five years. He lets him live for another five years. - Yeah. - I guess. - People all know how fun that Derby look like he was having fun. - How many more people did Derby kill because Clyde was taking his time? - Hmm. - The judge, Jamie Foxx, are gonna do more damage. Like, why do you wait so long? He's basically waiting until the lethal injection to start his revenge thing. Or maybe he had to finish all the tunnels. - Well, this is, this is, I think I just fucking maniac. But this is part of the movie though. Part of the movie though is after the film kicks off, you feel for him. And so there's gonna be an implicit sense of altruism in like whatever he does. - Yeah. - But it's really not. It's like the difference between justice and revenge. Like, like Satan, Batman begins. Justice is harmony. Revenge is making yourself feel better. So he really didn't have a point, which is why he did it in such a staccato scatter shot way. - The other week link would be him being able to be in isolation and just being able to move in and out and nobody realizing it. Also, like, those are the most elaborate isolation. Like I'm used to Oz where you're just in like a round cement box with, you're just naked the entire time. He's got, his thing has like nooks and crannies. The ability to go in and out. And he was just able to build tunnels for all 20 spots. - By the way, the tunnels are very manicured and extremely nice. - Yes, there's a lot of them. - There's like brick. - Right, there's like, it was, it was, it was he rich. Like I feel like all of this, he's like, he's been required a lot of technology. - Batman. - Yeah. Also, he started a whole janitorial service called NOMOS that he's working in the mayor's office. They know them. They're like, Hey, NOMO, let's go. So he's like, so he's also working at this guy's sleep. Well, he's also, that's a full shift. He's got to work. Right. So he can't. Yeah. Exactly. So he's got to leave. So it's a cloud. What are you doing today? Nine to four. I got to dig some tunnels. Then I got my janitor shift from four to 12. Just fucking kill everybody. Right. It might be Apex mountain for like the long con. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, 10 years of planning this is a, and him taking the bus shift at the janitor for years. And then he also has the dig. All the tunnels. I don't know. Maybe he contracted guys out there to do it, you know. New award. The death wish to award for did this home invasion scene go too far. It's obviously it seems like his wife gets raped. I would say they don't really show it. No, it doesn't go too far, but what happens is grotesque. The little girl shows up. Yeah. And that guy's. I love playing with kids. We're never. We had that part. We out of here, man. But it's like, it allows you to, to kind of get behind Clyde, the whole movie. Like you keep thinking back to that scene. And so then every, every time Clyde does something, you're kind of like, I still get it. How come he and John Wick himself out of that situation? How come he like, in that situation, you got to hit with the fucking back. Well, I guess John Wick didn't John Wick himself out of that situation. Yeah. So I had this in nitpicks, but we can do it now. This guy by all counts as one of the great murderers and planers of all time. They get a postmates. He obviously might have some people with an axe to grind, right? He doesn't even like look through the little eye hole doesn't, doesn't just like, oh, smells good. The guy gets the head of the bat makes no sense. It's night. It's dark out. He doesn't look through the people. He just opens the door. Who just opens the door at night without looking at seeing his face. Somebody has that hyper vision of it as well. No way. Like other people might have been like, hey, whatever, but this guy with this murder around every corner and like whatever like that, he just wouldn't have been that way. Ridiculous. What sage the worst? The Philly accents are just not existent in this movie. They even try. They didn't even try. They just said, fuck it. No Philly sports references. This is like the Philly's or I think are in the World Series in '09. Sixers, not really sure what's going on with them in '09, probably nothing great. But the Eagles. And the Igualdala. Yeah. Early Igualdala. The Eagles are, I don't know, felt like somebody could have been like, oh, I'm going to the Flyers game tonight or some sports is such a big part of Philly. Here's my other one though. Chase Utley will die tonight if I don't get a Delphirical stake or have them in a game. Like have them at like a Philly's game. And then, you know, they get some message on the board. Sometimes I like it when the killers in these movies just say like a passing reference. It's like, yeah, you probably loving it, which a family going to the birds game or something like that. Just a passing reference to it. It's something Clyde would have done. You catch the Philly's game, Nick. Just a Philly game. You like Chase Utley? Good player is any Nick. Ryan Howard. It's bombs. I do bombs. She liked that. Brandon signing Nick. It's just Violet Davis is in this movie who's one of our better actors in the last 20 years. She's completely wasted. She's in the mirror for like three scenes. She has lines like, yeah, boy, sure. Fuck this one up. It's like we need Violet Davis for this for this. Well, earlier, but she's also, she also pops up like for a brief second in, damn, I'm drawing a blank. She's in Black Hat. No, no, no, no, no. She's in a bunch of movies where it's like, why is Violet Davis going to legitimize her? We just throw in a movie to raise the world. What was it? One scene in out of sight. Right. Yeah. She pops up. Interesting character. But like, I think she was still on the, you know, took a while, she, she was still on the cover. If you have her, I'm writing three more scenes with the mayor. The mayor's going to just be more involved in the movie. Any other words, they should worse for you? No, just, I say, just Nick, every time I watch it, I'm like, yo, Nick sucks. The Vincent Chesaward for, are we sure this character was actually good at his job? Mayor Violet Davis, what, what, she's like, first of all, everybody blows up and she has this speech and she goes, I'm going to have to swear you in as the new DA. As she's upgrading him for all the damage that he just caused, you don't want to have a little search here for a week. Right. This got to be Nick. Are you crazy? Nick is the worst, bro. Nick, this got to be Nick. No, Nick, Nick for no reason, by the way, Nick, take it to trial. You're going to win. She, dog, you're like, you're going to win. You don't think that Nick is the, Nick is the worst DA that I've ever seen. He's the worst, everything. What? He shakes a rapist's hand on television. Right. This sort of been like the Jaguar is bringing her up in my room and being like, this is going terribly. You're now the GM. Exactly. You've got to be Nick. We'd like to have you also be in charge of the players, the Reflow Hannah Rubinick Partridge over acting where I think goes to Derby. Okay. Derby was landed on thick. I think that could have been a really good criminal role for somebody and that guy, I've never seen him before. I don't know where that guy came from. You didn't look greasy and disgusting. I get it. I know. That could have been a really good part, though, for somebody like a good scumbag part. I was out of his day to day, you know, him laying in that nasty apartment. Derby was getting to it. He also, he got out of there quick, man. He turned into Jason Borne on the roof for a second. Do we talk about that scene? That, like that, that's the matrix. That's Nio, like go left, go right, go, and that's the matrix. That was a fun scene. Really good scene. Yeah. Little shades of the fugitive. Sierra thinks Luke Willis could have been here before I would stick with her. Do you prepare one for this? I did not, because I did not know I was going to be sitting in this chair. Did you prepare one for this? Yeah. So Sarah. Which is Leslie Ben. Yeah. She deserved to die. She should have had a husband. She should have. Like, Sarah, it was just, she's working too hard. Sarah deserved to die. I can tell you what's going to happen in with Sarah down the road. She's going to make a run at Nate. It was definitely the Nick Nick down the road, Sarah, while it was talking about Chip, the boyfriend. They're already getting a little too familiar. I know. I would argue that maybe it already happened. I down the road. Sarah is a scene missing telling you when they jump to 10 years later. You're like, what man? They've been working together for 10 years. I'm telling you what was going to end up happening. Is it Nick becomes a governor or something like that? She brings Sarah to the NAACP awards, anybody go crazy on Twitter, until Sarah was that hat to happen like that. But she needed to die because she might have cheated on her boyfriend with Nick. I put the black family ahead of everything. Okay. She's a single mom with a biracial baby. She's like, it's adapted. It's adopted. Here's my how to stick. I think you're our butler should have been James Bond 20 years ago instead of Daniel Craig. Interesting. Wow. I think it's a great fork in the road. I think they were both at around the same points of their career and I think he would have been a better James Bond. So I would have rather seen him at Casino Royale, Skyfall, name of James Bond movie. I'd rather a butler. I think it would have been fun as Bond got like older and fatter from all the cigarettes and drinks. So this is why you are who you are because this is the most entertaining total bullshit take. I think that I can like really wrap my mind around. But it is, it's fascinating to even consider it. When you consider the trajectory of both guys' careers and how successful Daniel Craig was as Bond. And the fact that drop butler kind of couldn't make Olympus' fallen work. So when you look at it through that lens, it's like this almost dazzling, dazzling future take. But it's very. It's hard to take. Yeah. That's what that's the fucking thing. Also, if he's James Bond, is he now in better shape? Do we get down to thieves? Because he can't play somebody like Nick because he's got to be staying James Bond shape. Right. So you wouldn't have gotten, wait, what about Daniel Craig and then of these? As baby? That's what happens. Right. Daniel Craig could have been in law-biting citizen. Daniel Craig could have been easy. He's got a little bit of that grit to him. So you don't think you're our butler could have been James Bond. You know, I, I think that James Bond draw butler's brand is brutality. And James bonds, there's a swab, there's a swab, it's in a subtlety too. Is your art butler ordering martinis and sleeping with mistresses at casinos? I don't know if I'm in a suit. He's also got that Scottish thing where you can't talk to our shoppers mouthful, but. Right. Could he keep the Scottish action as Bond or would he have it? I was like this though. He is sort of. Oh, you're coming around. But what I look, I entertain every idea is my problem. Like it, he does kind of fit into the Sean Connery man's man version of James Bond and had kind of been subverted. I don't know. But no, it's fucking terrible. But it is an interesting thought. Coming around. I feel coming around. Casting what they have. So we mentioned the butler fox thing. This movie was originally supposed to be directed by Frank Daribont. Oh, from Shawshank Redemption. Two differences left the movie. He was like, I can't do another movie with tunnels leading to jail cells. Maybe that's why they wanted him. He's a creative differences guy. There's been a few of those like even walkie dead ended up like suing A.M.C. for walkie dead. So never. Okay. Joey Pantsa word for best that guy. Cole Mini is the guy who ends up basically, he's the only one that survives other than Jamie Fox. the sidekick. He's been in a bunch of shit. He's like Star Trek guy, right? Mystery Alaska, like he's been around forever. But I think people, some people might know he's called many. The Warden, oh, is a full fledged over the top. It's not Bruce McGill. Bruce McGill is Bruce McGill is Bruce McGill's Bruce McGill. Okay. Cool. The Warden was played by President Logan from 24. I didn't know what this guy's name was. I had to go look it up. Yeah. Yeah. He was the evil president in 24. I didn't know what his name was, but it's Gregory Itzen. He was the warden. So I think he went the only other guy throughout is the dude who plays Clyde's co-worker. Michael Kelly. Oh, well, no, Michael Kelly. Well, he just got added to season three of Landman. Landman, but which makes me think, I'm not going to spoil anything. But he is also online. So I feel like he's maybe sort of offended. I think he's Michael Kelly. Yeah. DM Waders Award. I can offer you Darby Clyde's old co-worker, Michael Kelly. Leslie Bibs in it too much. But I think the answer is Clyde's cellmate. They're doing a whole separate movie for five minutes. I'm like, I kind of spent 20 more minutes with this guy. Yeah. I got a couple of bitches back on the boss. You know what I'm saying? They made us like that guy. Yeah. Yeah. It's DM Waders. He checked. Recast and couch director's city. Can I offer you Denzel and Tom Hanks making Philadelphia? Are you fucking nuts? I cannot believe you just said that. I cannot believe, like, I cannot believe that you just said that. That was my big reveal for this thing. The Philadelphia shadow sequel that actually has to identify some Denzel Washington in it. We just go by hiding citizen three years later after Philadelphia or two years later. This, my approximation of myself has gone down to surgery because we're going up. Well, I thought that what you would do is have Denzel as Clyde and have Tom as like the Jamie Foxx character. Yeah. Or we go the other way and Tom Hanks finally breaks bad. He's finally a bad guy in a movie. He gets like ripped. But I'm like fake tattoos. Neck tattoo. Yeah. Goes shows his ass. It's like this that Tom Hanks would never see waxes his ass. Yeah. I feel like Denzel has made nine versions of this movie, but never actually made this movie. But he's done a bunch of these. This is all you believe me. I believe, do you? Yeah. Yeah. You should be excited that we had the same idea instead of upset. Yeah. Stuff. I'm obsessed. Craig, give a fucks category. I was going to do Kevin Costner award for the worst American accent, which has got to go to Gerard Butler. They got he just there's the Scottish is falling out of his mouth with every line. Is he even trying to do an American accent? You like macken cheese. It's like it's just not there. It's like they're like this is the best we're going to get just to keep going. But is he supposed to be American? Yeah. I think so. Well, I would think so. He's a CIA opportunity. I mean, he's some kind of got to work for everyone. My take on this always consistently is just have your normal accent. Totally. But Chris Hemsworth and Black Cat trying to have the perfect accent. Just be Australian. Who cares? We never remember it like in Robin Hood in the movie that this is named after. He's I don't know the guys from fucking Long Island or whatever. Like Robin of Long Island. But it doesn't even fucking matter. Like we don't remember it. It's a good one. Don't first go steak Nick. And you're just like, come on. Would you like some steak? Half a certain research. Butler loved the script because he actually graduated from Glasgow law school. And Glasgow. Wait, wait, what did you just say? He graduated from law school. Yeah, I never knew it. And was a trainee solicitor and got fired and then decided to become an actor. He also said this movie really fucked with them. He spent three weeks in a very funky place, came back to Scotland, went away, climbed a couple hills, got a 10 out, and then went off to India. He might be one of the five most interesting people in the world. Yeah. I feel like he would be a good BS podcast chart. You've ever talked to him? No, I would love him though. He'd be great. That sounds great. I wouldn't just ask a lot of then it leaves questions. They filmed in Philadelphia. Butler said that there was one scene when he kills the guy when the blood was gushing it. No, when he kills the guy in the cell. We had guys working on this who'd worked in the industry for 30 years. So we're standing in front of the cameras with their hands over their mouth going, holy fucking shit, I've never seen anything like that. It was incredibly graphic and powerful. But the ratings board said we had to be rated and see 70. So they somehow cut that down. I thought that's a pretty brutal scene. They're blood everywhere. How can that scene have been worse? Yeah, to see what it was before they translated. Was it like just pouring out of his neck? I know. He's already poured out of his neck. 10, 20 times with the shit. Yeah. Yeah. His name nomos, the cleaner, the janitor, identity, had in Greek, it means law related to the idea of dispensing justice. And then Bruce McGill, two car explosion deaths for him in his career. The other one was what movie? We've done every watch. Oh, last Boy Scott. There you go. I was thinking there should be a website that has all the deaths, all the deaths of real out of the actors. Oh, interesting. How they died? IMDB for death. Just to see who had the most who's died the most. Yeah, how they died.com. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody, somebody should work on that. That scene in last Boy Scott. That's great. Get a gut, gets punched, blows up Apex mountain, drawer butler. What is it? 300, right? It's probably mid-2000s. Mid-2000s. Coming out of 300 felt like the word was next week. Yeah. Yeah. Jamie Foxx probably after Ray. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ray collateral. He's wins for Ray. There's no day for car all same years, the biggest fucking thing in the whole industry. I don't know what it is for Lezogib. Why Lotus? Tall day and nights as well. It's kind of close to this, but yeah, why Lotus? I guess it was a lead in Tall day and we have to be tall. She believes lady. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably mid-2000s. Yeah. Philadelphia law movies. I'm going to say Philadelphia still has that one. Vigilante movies. I'm going to say death wish. Delphirisco, steakhouse, definitely. Then double legal. Eminence front. Still probably the first episode of Entourage. Yeah. Right? Sure. What would you say? What would you say? The what? Eminence front. Oh, no. Oh, the who song? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cruise or Hanks? Well, that's why I had it. I had cruise and the Philadelphia shadow sequel with Hanks and Nick, this Dinsale and Clive. Cruise would be a phenomenal Clyde. It's the role I always kind of want to cruise to do. I have the many roles I've wanted to cruise to do. What? Just like a law abiding citizen where collateral is the closest. He came to be in Dark Cruise, but this would have been a good version of it. The thing is he was so good at it. It was so seamless and collateral. The fact that he never spent time as that in movies as much as he should have. In collateral, it is so natural. Almost grounds his performance in a different way. It's like he's a different human, different guy. Who's what a crush Clyde? Like the hyper fixated like manic. Right. He would have learned tricks too. Yeah. Over the top. Yeah. You would have totally bought it. He would have learned like how to make bombs. He would have learned how to tunnel. Yeah. I was tunneling under my house for six months to understand tunneling. Does he? Does he have any running to do though? They would have added something to put some running in this. I think parking lot when he has to park in the garage at the end, he probably has to run. Sure. Yeah. What do we think of that interview, by the way? Which one? The cruise. Cheeky. Oh, I haven't watched yet. Exactly. See Craig was thinking cruise would be a good rewatchables guest and we argued back and forth. And he would be. And my take was he would not be he'd be phenomenal. Would he be? Would he be one of the best talking about the movie though? He would be one of the best ever. He didn't. I'd be answered. I'd be like, all right, Tom, what's your most rewatchable scene? And it'd be like, you know, I think one of the best things about racecar driving is the feeling you get when if Tom Cruise is sitting in the city with a dancer to sickle category question. I love this. Talk your shit. Tom Cruise is not good enough for my movie podcast. Where we've talked about. I'm asking if he would have been good. All I want to do is have a good podcast. I think that Tom Cruise, if you've ever listened to him when you when he gets going talking about movies and talking about. I tried to listen to him in the GQ interview and he was in coherent. I think what's nice is when he sits down for a GQ interview, you have to ask about him and he is very skilled at skirting around things. If he's sitting down talking about a movie, he can just talk about if you have him and he would doing days of thunder. That's gonna go crazy. He'll probably some great stories, but he wouldn't do a movie he's in because we usually don't do that. All right, so Tom Cruise, don't be a wuss. Come on the rewatchables. They proved me wrong. I had another category. What's going on with this guy? The Ed Norton reverse dunk award for did this movie? Did a random sports team? Let me give you this. Jamie Foxx, he's playing he has a Saturday morning basketball game. Basketball plays with some of the some of the people some of the people like in the in the legal community Saturday morning is like nine o'clock right and the Gatorade jug is poisoned by Clyde. No, the basketball somebody's going for a layup and the basketball just blows up blows up five but Foxx through the past. So he didn't get it. Yeah. Yeah. rap is playing. Are you trying to make this? What, what do we have done? What do you find in tennis? I was trying to think of a Gerard Butler trying to blow up some sort of sporting event. I'm fucking with you. Yeah. I mean, tennis would be good too, I guess. No, no, no, no, no, basketball. Basketball is the best thing I've gone to the lab. Yeah. And the ball just explodes or he's like, he's like somebody's mad because they won't swing the rock. He's like, hey, you're not passing the ball. Nick, you're taking every shot because Nick is like arrogant. And so Nick goes, fuck it. And he passed the ball to the guy. And the guys as soon as the ball gets there, blow him up and just blows up, rips the fucking skin off of his face. Yeah. Then when I was thinking of softball, it'd be great. It's like the, I just don't know if they would have been playing a lot of Philadelphia softball as the city was blowing up. All right. But Fox is the pitcher and throws the ball and the guy hits the thing that everybody loves is that he's actually playing this game. While all of this shit is happening, which is exactly what his dumb ass character is movie with this. It's like, I can't skip my Saturday hoops game. I can't go, my, I can't go to see my daughter play the chello. We're in the 70s. Sorry. Yeah. Uh, the van lathe and word that this movie need more black people. I don't think so. I think we're good. You think we're good? Okay. Because if the more people that you have in this movie, the higher the body count goes, and I think it's good that we were spared. We've mentioned a few of them already. I mean, there's a good question of two guys just randomly rape and murder the wife and daughter of somebody whose guys are so say and don't realize it. Yeah. Pretty massive coincidence. Let's see. This is all the houses to go to. But there's another reason. This is another way that this movie could have been a little smarter and maybe the Fincher version is that this is not just some random crime that happens. This is revenge. This is something that happens in a different way. And like you start to learn all of that throughout the movie. Um, when Nate, Nick, Nate, Nick, Jamie Foxx character when he shakes Darby's hand in front of all the reporters. I'll never do that. Nobody sets stupid. Yeah. It's a dumbest thing he does in the movie. Right. You know, I know I'll hold it on the handshake. I can rape this guy. Um, so it was in the isolation. So no cameras in the cell. And one stuff starts blowing up. Nobody says, we should put a camera in that cell to see what he's up to, what he's doing. They're not just photographing him 24/7 to make sure he's not doing. I mean, yeah, he's, he's now the most dangerous guy in the whole city. If you're the mayor, you can call that one in. Hey, let's put a camera in the cell. So we know what he's doing. Also on the Clyde side of things, at the end of the movie, wouldn't Clyde have noticed that Nick and what's his name broke into his warehouse, went into the tunnel, moving things around? Yeah. Clyde was in there after that. He wouldn't notice. And by the way, they broke into the warehouse. How do the motherfuckers know how to do that? They don't know how to do that. That's the DA and a cop. How the fuck do they know how to do bombs and all of that? They Google it. They don't know how to do none of that. I just think the biggest picking that is that the final crime that Clyde is trying to commit is the least inventive. It's like the least smart, just blowing up the mayor. He puts a bomb under a table. But by this point, no cameras on it. He can't see it. Wouldn't he rig a camera to be able to see if anyone's messing with the function of it? Not the actual. The function of it. They're almost a bit better. If the mayor was giving a press conference, and it was almost like how the bodyguard ended where it was like the cameraman ended up trying to shoot Whitney Houston. Yeah. So he has the camera shooting by old Davis. But really, it's gonna be better. If he'd have had some want, if there would have, if there was some ask of something that gave him some sort of purpose beyond carnage, because to you guys is point, if it's just carnage, there's no reason to play all of these games. You wait till everybody is going to fucking to the day. You just blow up and kill as many people as you can. Because the best part of this movie is is every 10 minutes. It's like what is Clyde going to do next? What is the next elaborate scheme? And then the last one is he puts a bomb in a briefcase and puts it under a table. You're like, this is, you know, a little underwhelming. How do they get to his jail cell before he does at the end? Is another one I've always wondered when I watched this movie? I guess you could say because he has to go to the garage because he can't get through. Maybe they got bought more time, but he has a big head start. The biggest speaking knit is it is one thing for one of the richest men in the world to build a command center bunker under his mansion that exists outside of the city limits with Wi-Fi and state of the air cameras. Right. So it's one thing for a guy named Bruce Wayne is like, Hey, Verizon. I want to install my Wi-Fi. My underground burger. Can we get fiber under here? It is another thing for a prisoner to down to essentially be a super criminal in a base while incarcerated. It is so nonsensical that it makes absolutely zero. There are no guards just walking up and down. There's nothing. It's like it's climate control. There's electricity down there. Like in no fucking way. She see what he did. He puts the pillow in the blanket under the blanket under the other blanket. So it makes it seem like there's a body in there. Every other prison movie scene, they're like making fake heads with hair. I was like, yeah, half a pillow in there. I could trust it's been making the lives of the molds of themselves. So they could fucking escape. I love that. I just I fucking love that movie. I was telling Craig about that movie. I haven't seen it. I saw North Carolina. A huge fan in that movie too. That's a classic. I might have to do that one. Sneaky hot take. That movie is amazing. It's my that's my favorite Eastwood movie of all the movies that he's done. That ain't unforgivable, obviously, but like I love that. I'm not even gonna ask you if I if you thought they actually got away. I'll save it for the podcast. Right. Um, sequel prequel prestige TVL black cast are untouchable. So May 22, they announced that there was going to be a sequel. By 22 win. Four years ago. Oh shit. Kurt Wimmer hired to return a screenwriter. Gerard Butler was going to be a producer. The producer Lucas Foster said, we look forward to revisiting these great characters and said the premise seems even more relevant today. When the original film was released, but then three years later, they basically said, this isn't happening. So later on, I'll do it now of what happens the next day. I have an idea for the sequel. Is it about now? Yeah. Uh, we basically already talked about it. Nick realizes that Clyde said all kinds of booby traps for him, like in his world in case he died. In case something happened to him. And Billy Bob Thornton comes in, gets hired as a former accomplice or like person of Clyde's that has to get into his brain and figure out figure out all the booby traps out all the booby traps that went off and are going to go off. That could be my basketball scene and that in the sequel. Mm-hmm. It's like, oh, he knew you played basketball on Saturdays. He can blow up the game. He races home because he gets told there's a bomb in a cello. I had for the sequel. Um, I actually just had Nick goes to jail because he blew up a prison probably all the people in it and security guards. He has nothing to do with 30 people to get revenge on this guy. He didn't give anyone a heads up. I mean, that was like a huge bomb. The prison made it collapsed. Yo, this is the take. There's no way he didn't kill a bunch of people. 100%. He's like, he should be arrested at the cello recital. Because when their bomb expert opened up the briefcase when it was at town hall, he's like, this could take out two floors. Right. And they just put that in his in Clyde cell. So that thing takes out the whole floor. Some dude in his cell, he goes, God damn man. You know, it's going to be tough. I only got three years on a minor Wii charge. I'm going to do my time back over there. I got a steak and mac and cheese. Right. Like I'm playing the who I'm good all of the sudden. He's fucking dead. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie, the Flores? Yeah, I think a football for this. Go go Collins worth. We go Trey Hickman. Uh, my clients like Josh Allen out there, Mike. He's running the offense. He's calling all the animals left and right. He's reading the defense. I'm like, I can't get over clad. Digging tunnels for 10 years. Um, just want to ask her who gets it? Probably Butler, right? Yeah. I guess. Imagine a butler got nominated for this. They're the. All these categories and drawer butler for long. They should show seat of him stabbing us. He's like, I'm going to cut your penis off with a box cutter. Uh, probably an answer for questions. I only have one. So we talked about if there was a different ending for this movie. What happens if Fox is at the cellar recital for his daughter. And something jars his memory and he realizes the recitals about to blow up. And we go wide shot and just entire school blows up and that's the end of the movie. Bill. I'm sure I think how dark. How dark of an ending could this be because now here's the whole school blows up. I think that's too dark. There's definitely too dark. Yeah. Hundreds of kids. But I wonder in the writer's room. Did they? Did they blow for prison? Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. The whole. Well, could they? Okay. Let's put. What could they blow up? But could the recital? Is there a moment where he's watching the recital and you do the thing where you do the fate and. And then you're like, Oh, maybe when he plays a note, it triggers a bomb. Yeah, like I was trying to think of what movie this reminds me of. And it's Arlington Road. Did you ever see Arlington road's great. And they. actually fall the premise all the way through. Yeah, don't I'm really for yourself. Yeah. But I was wondering like, how dark could this get? The cello blowing up. Yeah. That's that's really dark as it gives you. The school blowing up really dark. Him starting to get strangled by his tie, I think would have actually been a really appropriate because he him doing this like right. And then we do flashback of Butler in his closet, just adding shit to all his tie adding his weird sea asher or Nick is sitting there during the recital watching his daughter play the cello and then he kind of looks stage right and behind the curtain is Clyde and he just picks his head up and he's like that would have been hard. Yes, so maybe he sneaks back in. Maybe he's fucking escaped. Yeah, like or something like that. But when we see the flames coming behind him, we know he dies. They shouldn't have showed that. Yeah. I think they should have left it open that maybe we never found his body. What's Nick leaves? If Nick leaves, and we all see that, we would almost assume that he has arrived. They can still show the explosion when Nick's outside in the parking lot, but I don't think they should have shown the flames around Clyde. Of course, she's playing the cello recital and there's other people on stage, including the teacher with the playing the piano. And Nick's kind of looking at the teacher and realizes that it's Clyde. Clyde's playing the piano and kind of turns to Nick. Maybe a phone rings in his pocket and his wife's like, turn off your phone. He's like, I didn't bring my phone. Got you mother fucker in text. Basically Nick has to die in the last scene. Yeah, I think we all agree. Yeah, I can't believe it. It's a better movie. He has to leave me being made out of life. Memorability you'd most want from this movie. I was going to say the sport from the jail scene, but I guess I'll say the steak bone. Yeah, but definitely the bone could put it right right there under phara. Coach Finstack, Mr. Miyagi word, best worst life lesson. Lessons not learned in blood or soon forgotten. Yep. Lessons not learned in blood soon forgotten. Yep. You believe that bill? Best double feature choice. Half Italian. Best double feature choice has to be denetives. You need both ends of butler. I would butler when he has it and then butler when he doesn't. Both ends of butler too. You want both and more fuckers. They go, Bill, go ahead and get to that. I put rock and roll. Just because I love rock and roll. But dinner days is a good one too. Sure. Maybe John Wick one. Oh, another eventually. And then I think we all think butler won this movie without a doubt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, he wins most movies that he's in. I agree. And it don't matter. You don't want him as James Bond for some reason. Hell no. Hell no. But he wins most Sweden. Daniel Craig. But that's kind of the design. Daniel Craig. Daniel Craig. Daniel Craig. I like Daniel Craig. He revolutionized the character. He really looks great. He was like very important to be butler, whatever. We never get him a chance. I'm a draw butler guy. Me and Lincoln would say that. I don't think it should be James Bond. I don't think he should be. You know what? I also don't think he should play Malcolm X. That doesn't mean he should be in every movie. Right. But try butlers. Malcolm X would be a trace. Yeah. When it's rock. But we went to see every Olympus movie in theaters. I've never seen any of those fallen. Angel is falling. They're good. All of everything's fallen. They're fine. The first one is possible. This is better than any of those movies. It might not be better than the first one. I can make a argument for the first one. Olympus Olympus. What role would he play in the Kyle, the Colin Kaepernick sports movie? Retired linebacker. Jim Tom Sula. Let's see. Who would he play? Jim Harba. Maybe it's your barba. The Scottish accent. Maybe Harba. Maybe we got it. I drew a little more shock on coming out of there. We got here's Colin's legs. But he is. He has been underused though. To me, I agree. I think he's great in chasing Mavericks. That's not a movie that should be good and he's great in it. For his physicality, I'm surprised he was never like a football player in a movie. I sure. He could have been a linebacker. The sports movies. He'd do it like about one at the age. He was a high school star. He could have been in the magazine serving. He could have been in the replacements or something. No question. Do you need to do your closer because you already talked about the movie? Anything left? No, I just I think I think the most interesting part of the movie is when you decide that you are no longer rooting for Clyde. Or does that ever come? When was it for you? When Leslie Bibb blew up, I was like, all right, he's killing paralegals and assistants now and people who are barely related to this case and he's kind of lost his mind. But until then, I was like, I'm on board. And even till the end, there's still a percentage of you that's like, I get it. That's one of the great reasons why this is a rewatchable movie. It's like, why am I fucking rooting for this guy? Right? It's a complete baby act. And I think maybe it's why purposefully Nick is not a likable character because if Nick was a great guy or more charming, you might be more against Clyde. But because Nick sucks, I think you're in the back of your head, you're still rooting for Clyde a little bit. Clyde's right until he becomes criminally and crazily wrong. This whole movie is like one big gray area. And you just don't quite know where to land. Well, it makes it a rewatchable. Yeah. Well put. Craig, thank you. I can't believe you hesitated. Yeah. You did great. Well, I just walked in and he was like, you're in the third chair. I was like, oh, I didn't prepare to host. He's like, it'll be fine. Tracy Letz doesn't hesitate. Tracy Letz is great. And have you seen I play Rocky? He's great in that. So you liked that play Rocky? That was really good. I was I had low expectations. I thought I don't know what I was expecting. I thought it was. And the guy who played Stallone was realistic. He's amazing in it. Really? Yeah. It's a real crowd pleaser. I'm excited for it. And there's a sports movie coming out to the Mr. Relevant. Oh, yeah, with what's his name? Maybe sports movies are making a comeback. Yeah. I just didn't realize how interesting the Rocky story was. Like the whole negotiation about him with the studio. I didn't. It's pretty compelling. It was it was like a story of legend, like around the town, for just sticking up for yourself. It's an all-time inner self. They offered him 25k for the script. He said, no, I want to star in it. And they went all the way up to $360,000 in 1974 for him not to star in the movie. And he still said no. And they ended up allowing him to star in the movie for $20,000 for $20,000. And nine years later, he ended the Cold War. Don't ramble. That's what happens. Fan, thank you, Craig, thank you. Thanks to Kahown, Eduardo, and Chris as well. Back next week on The Rewatch Bulls.