Last Update on the Left - Episode 16 - Biggie & Tupac: An Interview with Greg Kading

Welcome to Last Update on the Left, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus Parks, I'm here with Henry Zebrowski, yes you are friend, and Ed Larson, how you doing, and our guest today, we're doing an update on the series that we did on the murders of Biggie Smalls and Tupac Shakur, we have the author, one of the sources we used, we have Greg Kading, author of Murder Rap, how you doing today, sir? Hey guys, what's happening? Don't worry man, we're just trying to shift books, dude, we're gonna shift them around, man, but thank you for updating us, because things have changed. Yeah, a lot has changed, so your book was first published in 2011? Right. So what, I mean, what has changed since 2011? How has the, specifically, I know like the Tupac case in particular has kind of exploded since then. Yeah, because of the recent indictment and arrest and current prosecution of one of the assailants in that murder, things, the dynamics have changed. It's no longer an unsolved case, which it had been for, you know, decades. So. So 2011, I write the book, years later, it's a documentary, a few years after that, it's a limited series, and then, you know, so I'm telling my story, people that are familiar with it, you know, we've, but it's, it's been like an evolution, just a journey, but it's so great to at least in one of the two murders, seeing some, you know, some closure. Well, I mean, so when Keefy D was a, like, could you kind of give the, our listeners like a background, like who Keefy D was and like how he, you know, what role he played in Tupac's murder? Sure. So the night that Tupac was shot, he'd gotten into a fight. He actually went over and kind of sucker punched a guy that was in the hotel lobby, the casino lobby in Las Vegas. He had, Tupac had ran over and sucker punched a guy named Orlando Anderson, who was a gang member from Compton, California. And later that night. That individual, along with three of his gang associates, including his uncle, a guy named Dwayne Davis, AKA Keefy D, they all go to retaliate. They track Tupac down. They run into him just off the strip in Las Vegas. And the individual that with a firearm and shoots Tupac, who dies six days later. So that's kind of. That's kind of who Keefy D was. He was the one who secured the gun. He gave the gun to his nephew who was in the back seat. Keefy D was in the front passenger seat and he's the last man standing. He went on to brag about his role in the murder and his confessions are what actually landed him in trouble. Why did it take so long? Because he's been bragging openly about, about being involved in this for a long time. Is it just, is it simply because, well, no, no real guilty person. Would just tell the world multiple times that they've done something terrible, or is it just, how do you put, is it about putting together the evidence? It was a perfect storm of stupidity on his part. So he confesses to us back in 2009, but it's done under what's known as a proffer agreement. It's a, an agreement between him, his attorney and the government at the time. Oh, the queen for a day. The queen for a day. It's another term for it. And so. He sits down with us, confesses to his role in the murder. And then for whatever reason, believes that that agreement extends into the public. So when you're having this conversation with law enforcement, you know, we're not, we honor our agreement. We're not going to use your own self-incriminating statements. However, when you go out and brag to the world about it, you're no longer under the conditions of that agreement. He either didn't misunderstand it or disregarded it and wanted to go out and see what kind of, you know, attention he could get. Now, I've got a question about the car in particular. So if, if I remember correctly, Kifidi was in the front seat and he handed the gun that they got from Zip, the drug dealer in New York. And, but who was the one who actually fired it? Was it DeAndre or was it Orlando? According to Kifidi, DeAndre was in the best position to fire because he was in the past. He was in the rear seat of the car. He was in the back of the Cadillac closest to Tupac. So he is right behind his own driver. And so of course, Tupac is adjacent in the vehicle, in the passenger seat. So DeAndre is in the best position, but Kifidi says when he went to hand it to DeAndre, DeAndre was like, man, I, no, thank you. I'm don't put this on me. Well, Orlando, who's the gangster in the backseat who had even sucker punched, it's really his job. He's the one who had been, you know, confronted. And, uh, um, slugged by Tupac. So Orlando takes the gun, leans over DeAndre out the window and begins shooting into the vehicle, striking Tupac. Now, do you think, do you, uh, do you think Orlando's confidence was like really escalated because he was wearing a Dan Marino Jersey? This is coming from a dolphin. He's a dolphin. Sorry, I couldn't, I couldn't, couldn't help him. So the, they were planning on assassinating him that night, no matter what. Correct. Weren't they looking to do it at the after party at the six, six, two club? Yeah. The, everybody knew that Tupac and Suge and the rest of their entourage were all going over to the club, six, six, two, um, which Tupac was going to perform. Mike Tyson was going to make an appearance. So it was well broadcast that that's where they would be. However, when Kifidi Orlando, and the rest of them got over there, they realized like, this is not the, this isn't the right place to try to handle this. There's cops in the parking lot. There's other gang members say, realize that that just wasn't going to be a practical place to try to retaliate just by fate. When they leave, they go down the road and that's where they encounter Suge and Tupac driving towards the club and take advantage of that opportunity. Well, I mean, if we go back to, you know, them being, in Las Vegas for this purpose, like one of the, the questions that we had, uh, during our series that, you know, we never really got, uh, we never really settled on a satisfying answer was as far as like P Diddy's role in this, we, we could never quite land on whether P Diddy like suggested like, Hey, it would be nice if somebody took care of Tupac or if P Diddy actually said like, I will pay you money if you kill this man for me, if you, or if you kill him and Suge Knight for me. So yeah, it seemed just like a fun suggestion from P Diddy from one angle, but then the other thing, or was it an organized hit? Yeah. What do you think? I think it lies in that middle ground. I think that Puffy was really afraid that, you know, he had a target on his back. He knew when he came to LA that, you know, he was a dead man walking. He really understood. He really understood the seriousness of what was going on. And it was out of that sense of fear and desperation that he makes these solicitation. It was like, Hey man, somebody has got to help me out. You need to take care of these guys. I need, you know, I need protection. Can you handle this? Well, he's talking to these guys that are from South central Los Angeles from Compton that don't think twice about shooting somebody. Yeah. And so I think it was the fear and desperation in this kind of exaggeration. Yeah. was being brought to our attention um during that period of time i don't know what was happening back in new york with investigators that were perhaps investigating bad boy records as a racketeering organization back in the 90s i don't know what they knew but for our purposes we never had any information about him being um you know this who we are beginning to see him as today yes it's really strange it's like it's kind of crazy because all these guys it was just kind of it was more like a straight up beef like really guys fighting with each other but it turns out that some of these guys are really running cryptic criminal enterprises underneath which is already very challenging being a professional musician it's very difficult i feel like adding all of this other stuff is so much harder obviously so you're you're lapd correct who was i'm retired you weren't you're lapd so like okay so this murder occurred in las vegas so how did you get involved with this and how did how was your experience working with las vegas pd because i had i had heard rumors that the las vegas pd kind of drug drug their feet quite a bit on the investigation so i'm a johnny come lately i don't get involved in this thing till almost 10 years after the fact i come along 2006 working on the cold case murder of biggie smalls which was a loss i'm sorry which was a los angeles case and so in the pursuit of trying to solve biggie's murder is when we stumble upon kifi d and we have reason to believe he potentially had information on biggie's murder but when we confront him on that he's like i can't help you with that that wasn't us but what i can tell you about is the tupac murder because that was us and so that's how it opened the door to tupac's murder even though it happened in las vegas it's incredible so where are we at now with the biggie smalls investigation so now we because still technically it's unsolved right technically it's unsolved uh we have a similar type of thing in the biggie case as we had in the tupac case and that we have a confessing co-conspirator who was a one of suge knight's baby's mamas and she confessed to her role in that murder and implicated both suge knight and the shooter which was a gang member that was associated with suge named wardell fowles so a female confessed to her role in that murder it's a bona fide confession it's one that we believe to be true however the shooter fowles was killed in 2000 and of course suge knight is you know in prison for an unrelated murder and he's blind so it's so hard for him to kind of discern what's going on anywhere around him he must be so confused at all times yeah i don't think he can see the the the consequences of his actions the bad pun have you met suge knight have you done any have you interviewed him or talked with him at all about this no i'd never had any face time with suge i spent a lot of time surveilling him following him around and you know watching his activities and then of course listened to him on phone calls and uh requested an interview with him but it was declined he didn't want to be interviewed so i've never had the face but i already know what it would be like it would just him being smug and having smart ass answers you're never going to get the truth from suge knight yeah no have you listened to his podcast i've listened to a few episodes what did you think it's a prison podcast it's called colette call that's a great name it's expensive to produce but yeah was it so it's just basically it sounds like him just giving smart ass answers it's just him being being suge you know he just comes out and blames everybody else for his problems and you know throws his uh his uh his opponents under the bus it's it's actually a brilliant idea whoever came up with that concept and got suge to agree to do all these phone calls pretty smart um but it's entertaining but there's no value of truth in it sure yeah because even just looking at this it's just him being like i've the one name of an episode of collect call with suge knight is like i salute the women and you're like i don't know if suge is you know i met suge knight one time at the comedy store and uh he didn't want to talk about this at all no but uh you have to know he almost ran uh him and cat williams tried to run us off the road afterwards it was very uh they were having a great time it sounds terrifying yeah especially because he ended up killing somebody with his car yep um but so when it comes to the the biggie murder is it do we think it was crips or bloods or do you think it was uh outside because it could have just been everyone from la did both of these murders yeah well it was people from la except you know the crips had killed tupac and the bloods had killed biggie so it all came down to gang activity gang rivalry so you got to think about this conflict at three different levels you had puffy and suge were at odds right biggie and tupac were at odds and then you got to bad boy and death row were at odds and then of course they were associating with gangs that were historically enemies and so there's four different levels of conflict that had gone back for years all the way back to 1994 you know and so it all just culminated in tupac getting shot biggie getting shot but it was all just gangsters doing what gangsters do and after um biggie was shot like you know to the point of it you know just to ask was there an escalation like you know like smaller skirmishes that you know the public just kind of didn't know about or was biggie like sort of the high watermark of that particular feud no the high watermark of the feud was actually tupac because after tupac gets shot in las vegas then back in compton a 10-day war started between in the blood associates of suge knight and the crip associates of of uh puffy combs of so the war started that lasted 10 days and claimed several bodies um so that happened after tupac and then it just continued to go but once tupac died and suge went to jail everything kind of seemed to uh mellow out and calm down and that's why i think that when puffy combs and um biggie come to los angeles they figure that the coast is clear yeah and it's all put behind them and they had a false sense of security and they walked right into a death trap do you think that these days we've ever talked to these guys in more recent years like do they ever regret these lifestyles that led them to this like this idea because we did when we did our series i'm still always haunted by the idea of you're you're pretending to be this thing and then it all becomes like you're pretending to be this thing and then it all becomes like you're you're pretending to be this thing very real around you like and yes they're a mixture of real criminals but also a lot of these guys are just artists mixed in with criminals that don't know that they're kind of getting themselves in deep trouble yeah but like do you think that after the fact like this did anyone learn anything from their murders it's a really great question and you have to like you look there are guys for instance one of the main the heads of the mob pyro um gang which was the gang that was affiliated with the mob pyro gang which was the gang that was affiliated with the mob pyro gang with death row records shug knight's kind of gang entourage the head of them was a guy named mob james and he's completely you know um evolved beyond the gangs and has remorse and and is trying to help youths at risk who want to go into gangs so there are some guys that have transitioned out of that lifestyle and are trying to do good things but meanwhile there's a lot of guys like kifi d who says you know i'm a south side crip for life yeah and and still continues to you know act like a 15 year old when he's 60 how did you feel when i got some allergies oh you're fine no worries so so how did you feel when kifi d was arrested and he had a copy of your book yeah well it's interesting because that's going to be his whole self-defense is that well other people were benefiting financially from the story so that's why i'm telling my story so that's going to be his defense and when i don't think it's going to hold water i think that he's going to end up getting convicted and this whole thing will be put behind us well yeah i mean he wrote a memoir in which he fully and completely confessed being a part of the murder he just kind of thought that i think what you're saying is right is that he did not understand that it does not mean that you are legal to say it wherever you want yeah - Yes, and I don't think his age, his literary, whoever ghost wrote that for him i don't think they wanted him to know because how are you going to sell books exactly sell books recanting the confession no you're going to sell it to be a delin spilling the beans what do we know orlando anderson who we think was the shooter uh in the tupac murder what do we know because he was killed shortly afterwards what do we know about that well we know um orlando was suspected of committing at least one other murder prior to shooting tupac and so on the in 1998 which would have been two years after tupac's murder orlando anderson and uh a guy named michael darrow ran into some guys and were attempting um attempting to collect a drug debt and they got into a shooting in situation where orlando and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and they got into a shooting in the drug debt and they got into a shooting in situation where orlando and and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on. and so on and so on and so on and so on. and you you absolutely know but you just don't have the proof is that does that kind of come up a lot in these sorts of cases. it happens all the time in fact most gang cases are like that in los angeles we only solve about fifty to sixty percent of our murders and but we probably know who did it ninety percent of the time. it happens all the time in fact most gang cases are like that in los angeles we only solve about fifty to sixty percent of our murders and we probably know who did it ninety percent of our murders. we probably know who did it ninety percent of our murders and we probably know who did it ninety percent of our murders and we probably know who did it ninety percent of our murders and we probably know who did it ninety percent of our murders and we probably know who did it ninety percent of our murders and we probably know who did it. we probably know who did it ninety percent of our murders and we probably know who did it. This is so much more like this is just so much more on the nose where Kifidi is writing books and doing podcasts and telling the world intentionally that he was a murderer. Yeah. As opposed to Robert Durst, who unintentionally said it without knowing that his microphone was hot. Yeah. I mean, he it's a memoir. He had to go to a ghostwriter and tell him the story. And I had to go through like multiple editing rounds and like proof and all that. And still, like, do you have any idea how he's going to try to spin this into a not guilty play? Right. As it stands, his defense is that he did it all for entertainment, that he lied to us in 2009 when he confessed. He lied to Las Vegas PD in 2009 when he was did a second proffer interview. And then, you know, he's going to say it was all lies and that he was just doing it to make money. None of that really holds water because when he's talking to the cops on different occasions back in 2009, there's no promise of making any money. That is all perceived as being confidential information. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And especially when they cut to the video footage of him confessing where he's got like sunglasses on and he's super happy about it. Like he's super, super invested in the story. Yeah. Nobody loves KPD like KPD. No, he really does. And I think it's it's good for people to see, though. I do think that as we go along in society, there's going to be more and more of this style of you went on a podcast and told everybody exactly what you did. Like, I feel like it's going to happen a lot. Yeah. Yeah. It's good for the genre. It's good for podcasting. It is. Now, with all this stuff going on with Puffy right now, do you think that any. Of, you know, Tupac's murder will be thrown into this trial or they're just going to keep it all out of this? You mean Biggie's murder getting thrown into Tupac's trial or no Tupac's murder getting thrown into Puff Daddy's trial coming up? Oh, yeah. OK, I got you. I'm sorry. Not really. I think they'll keep everything really compartmentalized. If he has human trafficking issues, those will stay compartmentalized unless the feds back in New York do. Very comprehensive racketeering investigation where they are trying to incorporate just all types of different crimes over a long history of time. But even with that, I just don't see anybody making official allegations against Diddy for Tupac's murder with based only on Kifidi's confession. Right. Yes. Wasn't there a situation where. Puff Daddy allegedly offered one million dollars for the murder of Suge Knight and Tupac. And then apparently he paid five hundred thousand to the drug dealer in New York, Zip. Like, is there something like and then Kifidi didn't get his cut? Is that like that? That is like a rumor I heard about. I don't know what the truth is to that. Also, Zip's a great name for a drug dealer. Yes. Yeah. Who won a nightclub called the Zip Code? That's great. Yeah. I know. That's pretty clever. We hear there's two questions there and both are actually true, but they're separate. So you've got the thing with Kifidi. Puffy offered a million dollars for the murder of Tupac and Suge Knight, correct? Yes. And then he after Tupac was killed, he gave five hundred thousand to Zip, who was supposed to give that. Who was supposed to. Who was supposed to broker the deal with Kifidi is what. Correct. And so how do we will you know, how do you not pin that on Puffy? Got you. OK, so I got a little sidetracked there because way back when, back in the late 90s, there was a guy that worked for Puffy who filed a lawsuit against him. His name, I think his name was Kirk Burrows. He was a producer and he had filed a lawsuit against Puffy. And in his lawsuit. He claimed that back then Puffy had solicited for one million dollars to hit on Tupac Shakur. And then that case got settled out of court for a certain amount of money. And so that was interesting for us as Johnny come lately investigators. And we're listening to Kifidi talk about a million dollar bounty on a hit. Somebody was already saying that 10 years before in a different civil lawsuit. So it lended some legitimacy to what Kifidi was claiming. Now, the second part of that being this thing with zip zips dead, as you know, and whether or not that money was ever paid, we've never been able to identify a paper trail. So if Puffy had given zip five hundred thousand dollars because only half the job was done because they didn't kill should we don't know. It's just a it's an urban legend that could be true. But we just don't have any evidence to say it's true. Oh, man. Does that mean the bounty is still out on Shug? Whoa. Because I bet he could lose. He could look for somebody to clean up some problems for him right now. What if Shug killed himself to collect the bounty? Oh, yeah. Just gives it to his children. Here's your inheritance. I mean, I am really interested. I feel like what we're seeing now, like I know we keep coming back to Diddy just because this is just. It's going to be such a big story. It's it's really and it's all connected to all of these guys. I actually wonder how many of these other people from these stories are going to pop up in Diddy's trial. Like when when you some of these same characters are going to come out. And I wonder what that's who's all going to end up being a part of his system or not. And who's still alive? Yeah, there's good. I think there's going to be there's going to be some artists that are going to be in a real precarious. Situation. Yep. That are going to have to come out and say, yes, I was a victim of some type of inappropriate sexual coercion. Yes. Yeah. In order to in order to get the kind of, you know, promotion that I needed. I think there's going to be some artists that are like not wanting the truth to come out because it reflects so badly on all of them. Very much. Yeah. And what is I think they're all underage. Oh, very much. Yeah. Do you think there's any weight to the rumor that Diddy had anything to do with orchestrating the murder of Biggie? No, I don't believe any of that's true at all. I think that this is straight retaliation that should night hired a guy that he knew would do it. He was extremely upset about the fact that Tupac was shot and killed. He himself almost got killed. Death row was, you know, circling the drain at this point because they'd lost Tupac. Sure. Was in. Jail. And so he just did what you would, you know, he just took matters into his own hand and had a gangster do what gangsters do. So the idea that Puffy being involved in Biggie's murder is it just doesn't it doesn't hold any water. There's nothing to support that conspiracy theory. Well, let's go back a little bit. I'm really interested in that 10 day war that you talked about after Tupac. Like, what did that look like? What? What happened? Well, as soon as Tupac was shot in Las Vegas, Suge Knight and the rest of his blood entourage all got together and they knew immediately who it was. They knew, hey, those are the South Side Crips. That was Kifidi and his crew. So when they get back to Los Angeles to Compton the following day, it's on. It's the green light. You know, it's the they're all. They're going to go to war. And so for 10 days, Crips, you know, a South Side Crips, he's a mob Piru or a looters park Piru. They're going to shoot on sight and vice versa. So the Crips got all of their hardware, all their guns, you know, collected and began to go on the defensive because they know that the bloods are going to be hunting them down. And so you listen to some of the Crip gang members who came forward and told their stories. They're like, man, it was a war zone. You know, we knew if we stood out on the street, a car was going to come driving by and we're going to get shot at. So we all had to kind of hunker down and, you know, congregate together so that we had, you know, the power in numbers. And it just went on and on until finally, after 10 days, the Compton PD and about 400 other officers from other agencies just started to raid all of the houses to get all the guns and to try to quell the gun, you know, to quell the violence. And that kind of mitigated a lot of what was happening. But, you know, it was still on as far as, you know, until it never ends down there. You know, these these beasts just never end. You're a blood. I'm a Crip. We're going at it. Now, with the murder of Biggie Smalls, like you said, this woman was an intermediary. Like what kind of how what was her role in the murder of Biggie Smalls? So she had a long history. Of criminal complicity with should she was the. mother of one of his children uh she was this kind of a for lack of a better term kind of like a hood girl she was a girl from the neighborhood that and she loved suge and of course she was always competing with all the other girls in suge's life and so she thought if she could be the one who's really down for him she's the girl that will do anything ride or die type of girl and so um she was complicit and you know helping him get an illegal um gambling license in las vegas for the club she was involved in a bunch of auto fraud she was involved in his bankruptcy fraud she was involved in a bunch of white collar stuff with him and so when suge went to jail after the beating in las vegas because remember he was involved in stomping orlando anderson down the street and he was involved in stomping orlando anderson down the street and so she was involved in stomping orlando anderson down the street and so she was involved in stomping orlando at the mgm he gets his probation violated he goes to jail for that so when suge's in jail he can't really communicate with anybody without it being monitored you know if you have visitors you're on the phone but the deputies can listen to your phone calls they can listen to your phone calls with people outside of the jail and so they come up with this clever plan where suge knight's attorney a guy named david kenner signs paperwork saying hey all of these individuals are part of my team and therefore they fall under the privilege of attorney client communications you can't listen to them so david kenner writes letters allowing people like um suge's girlfriend to come in as a legal aid and the deputies can't monitor and that allows her and suge to have a private conversation and this is what she tells us this is how she's explaining how they did this she says i was able to go in there we could have unmonitored visits um suge told me he wanted biggie shot you know he wanted biggie um taken care of he said reach out to poochie go find poochie tell him i'll give him whatever he wants she comes back she talks to suge she says he wants this much money suge says i'll make them you know i'll make sure you get the money he does he secures cash for her she pays poochie and then poochie shows up and kills biggie so she's the person who's communicating between suge and the shooter it makes me so sad that biggie smalls was killed by a man named poochie yeah he didn't deserve that he really didn't no it's poochie because it's also uh someone said it when it may have been a member of the nation of islam or is that just like how poochie dressed when he did the the killing another so there's a conspiracy theory that's been completely disproven but within that conspiracy theory um they thought that a guy named amir muhammad was the shooter um because the shooter supposedly was dressed up with a had a bow tie on and so this led to um people connecting the dots all these circumstantial dots and forming the collusion that it was a nation of islam guy that shot and killed um biggie even though that's been disproven the next thing is well why were people describing the shooter as having a bow tie and our explanation of that is that gang gangsters in los angeles were notorious for um doing things that would mislead the police we had gangsters in los angeles dressing up in the garb of the nation of islam and doing home invasion robberies because you get people you know unsuspecting thinking oh this is the guy at the front door he's a nation of islam guy selling bean pies he's soliciting you know um you know uh uh money for this for this cause they open the door next thing you know they're just gangsters they rush in and they rob you so it was not uncommon for people to dress up in order to mislead the police in fact in los angeles during this period of time when blood gang members would do a drive-by against crips or against any other enemies they'd often yell out the name of like a crip gang you know they'd be like oh main street crips even though they're bloods because when the cops get there and the witnesses say hey they drove by and they yelled out and so it's just this you know relatively clever way of deflecting attention that's really interesting yeah it was very common too and so you know when we'd get there and they'd say yeah some guys drove by and yelled bloodstone villains that's a blood gang we're like yeah it means nothing to us because it's probably crips yeah wow that's interesting god well greg thank you so much for joining us today we really appreciate you taking the time yeah thank you for letting us pick your brain yeah do you have any yeah yeah do you have any other projects coming up that you'd like to plug yeah i'm working on a couple of things you guys remember back in 2013 when uh there was an la pd officer named christopher dorner oh yeah never put dorner in a corner oh wow yeah yeah can't corner the dorner no dude no it's uh yeah that's that's pretty good yeah um unfortunately there's things about that story that aren't laughable no no no no no that's just what we do people that got killed and yeah yeah we're just problems we're just problems yeah i got you man yeah so i'm trying to get that story off tell that story because i think it's a really timely story yeah it's a good one it's very interesting yeah because we read his manifesto he was one we did an episode on manifesto killers and he was one of the ones that got killed and he was one of the ones that got killed and he was one of the first ones you kind of read it and was like he's got some points in here but but he's yeah but most of the time he's a total great you know he he didn't do it right killed a bunch of people you already killed a bunch of people and as far as you know the only manifesto that has a shout out section yep yes that's right a whole of yeah an extended shout out section which is weird in in of itself um greg thank you so much man yeah my pleasure you guys i apologize for my voice i'm fighting a cold or some allergies or something so hopefully we can clean that up yeah get some ivermectin in you you'll be fine there you go some hydrochloric wing the trump cocktail straight bleach always works for me what an incredibly nice man you know especially for xlapd yes he's a nice man yeah and he was very knowledgeable very and like this whole story is i i get saddened no it really is because it is the case of you know these are a couple of artists yeah like you know tupac was a fucking theater kid i know he was in musicals yeah yeah but then he you know he then he sucker punched the gangster don't do that just don't do that don't try to like just don't try to impress your friends with that so just just be yourself if you're engaging with gangsters i say the only way to fight them is through dance or rap she was good at they have rap battles for a reason that's right so settle your disputes 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