Lanterns Post Game Show - Episode 5

Well, hey there, guys, greeting salutations and welcome to this newest installment of our lanterns post game show, talking about all the things that happened in the latest episode of the HBO series lanterns. I am your host, John Campy, good to have you here joining me. Of course, as always, is Robert Meyer, Bernette, Robert, how you doing today, sir? You know, I'm doing rather well, I'm conflicted, John, conflicted about what we're watching. Oh my God. Well, we'll talk about that and a few things more as we get into it here, talking about lanterns episode five. Now, just so you guys are aware and just so you know, this will be fully open and spoilery in full discussion. So if you haven't seen episode five or, you know, if you're worried about that, just add this video to your favorites list and come back and watch it later. You have been warned. All right. So Rob, last night's episode. I got to tell you one of the things I love about this show is how they are constantly dropping. Like, I've never felt confused by the show, you know, the show is as, you know, the YouTuber Mr. Know It All says it, the show plays face up, right? It shows you everything. It hides nothing from the audience. But then every once in a while, they'll drop in something that adds far more context and understanding to something a great example of that is the opening of the one episode when we hear the ring coming into John's father's room saying, are you afraid? And John's father saying, yes, it's like, well, now that explains a lot, right? I, last night's episode did the same thing for me to open again back in 2007 with the Sheriff arriving in the town on the run from gangsters, yeah, that whole scene, again, it's nothing that has been hidden from the, it's not like it, it hid an important fact of something we didn't know. But when they reveal that, it's like, well, this explains a lot about why the Sheriff is there, what her commitment to the town is, why she said a number of things that she said, it just gives that little five minute scene, just pepper so much context of everything. And it gave it, well, number one, it also thoroughly eliminated any doubt that, yes, that woman was a manhunter, kind of eliminated and doubted with that. But also, it just kind of sets the context about not just the Sheriff, but it let us understand the town. Like once that happened with the Sheriff, then we understood the entire thing about the town as well. And I thought that opening was great and I'll tell you what else. So the woman playing the manhunter, she's from this Netflix show called Never Have I Ever. I think that's the name of it. And our friend, you know, our friend Spencer and Laura, Laura was the unit photographer on that show and she knows the woman who plays the manhunter too and she said, she's great, she's wonderful. But the way she played the line so glib and so casually, like when she's talking to the gangster dude and she's like, okay, so you sell this to your boss. If not, I find you, I kill you and I kill your whole family. And I just the way she delivered it so casually, it's like, I had no doubt, yeah, she was going to do that. I would have been more terrified of that than some huge mobs are going. If you don't do this, I'll find you and kill you and your family. The way she said it, far more terrifying to me. So any I loved the opening, I totally did, although I will say this, you know how at the end of the one episode, I think it was episode one when it fast forwards to 2026 and John comes back into town and he meets up with the sheriff again and she says to him, you have an age at all. It's like, lady, you have not aged like a bit. She looked exactly the same in 2027. I'm sorry, little nose ring did not make her look 20 years younger. But like she looks exactly the same in 2027 as she does in 2027. Anyway, that aside, you saw the opening of the episode. What did you think about it? Well, that I really, I really loved the opening and it really established the fact that clearly our man hunter has done something like that for everybody in the town, you know, and that's why the town is loyal and it is what it is. And to the point where people learn the man hunter's language, and I, you know, I thought it was, you know, because it worked like a great crime boss would work. Like here's somebody that you, they will earn your loyalty and there's nothing you can do about it. There's a situation where this person's going to get you out of it. The man hunter's going to get you out of it, but you have to have, you know where your loyalty is lie. You can't get out of it, you know, and I loved that because it explained so much. And you're, you're not like, oh, I get it. And you understand why the entire town is rallying behind this person. And I thought it was a great, it was a great bit of storytelling. It can't, let me throw this out there too, something that I really, that I, it shook me a little bit. Once we understood the nature of the town, it changed our perception, at least for me. I'll just talk for myself here about not just the sheriff and how the town interacted with her, but the guy we saw as the main bad guy, right? The main rancher guy, I forget his name, the one who's supposed to be her husband, right? Because you realize everything he said to Hal and John earlier in the show about how she protects that, like this person, my benefactor protects this town. My benefactor has benefited this town. We owe our benefactor everything. You realize he wasn't just spouting platitudes, like he, he actually meant it. And what that really did for me, and it made me question a lot about how I viewed that character as a whole was, and the end when she gets on the phone with him, it says, are you ready? It's like, he knows she's asking him to die for her. Like it's time. This is what you signed up for. And he was like no hesitation. And he's like, and he even says like, I like thank you for the extra time you gave me. Because remember he revealed earlier that he was dying, he was going to, he had cancer, he was going to die and she saved him and obviously gave him the same deal that she gave the sheriff. Like at some point, I'm going to ask you to protect me. And he was like, no hesitation. Yeah, I am so grateful to you that what you did, and I'm, I'm not going to be the traditional bad guy. Where now it's time for me to be selfish, and now I'm going to, I'm going to double cross our deal. No, he was totally willing to stand there and die and get his heart ripped out, which by the way, oh, even I got a little squeamish at that scene when he's like cutting his chest open and call me ma, dries, he had to find out though, had to find out. And he pulls the heart out. I was really kind of moved by the fact that I may have to reexamine the whole thought process I had of that character of him just being a giant dick who was the stereotypical evil guy running the town is like, he was really just fulfilling it. Maybe he was a dick before, but I love that it kind of turned that on its ear for me that I had to reexamine how he even looked at that character and, and the whole town and, and that sort of thing. That's the part that really kind of hit me the most. If you look at the show, looking at it from one big grand picture of the whole episode, what was the moment or scene or sequence for you that was kind of like the standout moment for you that you found yourself thinking about the next day about it? Well, the, the fact that they actually almost allowed John Stewart to burn to death. I mean, I, I couldn't believe that and I think, you know, one of the reasons that I had a, why I say I have a love hate relationship with the show, I look, it started out as loving everything. But the thing that, the thing that I was bumping on, I mean, obviously this show, first of all, the show was beautifully directed this episode. It was so well made. But I, you know, the fact that John Stewart, he could have died in that crash. And to see the green lanterns at odds like this to the point where, like, I don't know if John would, I mean, I guess he would have killed you. He certainly came close to killing out with his bare hands. I just, I found it was just over the line for me, to be honest. And I, but when, when the man hunter just stood there, but once you realize what she's able, because she says the beginning, let's, you know, let's get your pinky back. And you, you know that whatever's going to happen, and you, you realize that that's what she does. She puts people in these compromising probably, she probably, it's always probably health-related. But I mean, how much pain would John Stewart have been in? that ultimately He was caused by how Jordan, like he didn't even go in and check and I get it, they've ginned up this whole thing to create this almost biblical rivalry between these two men. But I mean, one's already been a superhero for 40 years and one served his country and is a great soldier. And I mean, I don't know, man, it really affected me. I was like really upset watching the episode. I thought the episode, you know, everything had happened, kicked ass. But the John Stuart, how Jordan stuff really, I was upset by it, dude, these are my heroes, you know, and I was, but the way it unfolded, the way, you know, they really had this apocalyptic feel and the sirens were going off in the town. And then Paul Ben Victor, the alien, when he's, when they first walk into the diner and see all the dead bodies and everything in there. It was, it was like all of these people were ready to put their lives on the line to protect the manhunter. And I got the feeling that all of them were living on borrowed time at some point or something had happened. Yeah. And the manhunter had recruit, which I thought, what a great, you know, what a great way to instill, like nobody would question the loyalty they have for her or it, you know, it's only taken in human form. But it was, I mean, it was, this episode was hardcore, but I really, you know, it was a long time Green Lantern fan. I'm watching this. I'm like, are they going to kill each other with their bare, I don't like that. But it, but it made sense to me because like they established what they have done with this whole show to me at any rate up until this point is they really established why they would want to off each other, like the show's gone out of its way to kind of paint this picture that how Jordan represents everything that's been wrong with John Stuart's life. From the moment that his father was passed over to the fact that what, that with that caused his life to be like after that point. And then of course, that pivotal moment where he spent nine months living under a tree only to have it all thwarted by how yeah, and then he gets, he gets kicked out of the military with a dishonorable discharge, which that ruined his life. All of it is because of how Jordan, meanwhile, from how Jordan's point of view, this has been what he has been dedicated to for 30 or 40 years, however long it's been at that point. And then to find out that the Guardians have decided this guy's here to take your whole identity away from you. Yeah, with no pomp and circumstance with no, he doesn't get a gold Rolex. He's just going to be dismissed. It's not just taking away the ring. It's taking away everything that he is because he's given up everything because they had that one part with that one bit of dialogue from him. It's about you just got a, if you're going to have this job, you can't have anything else. You can't have any attachments. You can't have anything. So understanding from house point of view, he has literally sacrificed everything to this role and he's made his mistakes for sure, but so now Hat or John represents to him, not just losing my precious, it's about losing his whole identity, his whole life is that this guy's here to take that away from me. And then they set up, I think the show has set up beautifully why they continue to mistrust each other like I do like the fact that when Sinestro is basically painting a picture for how saying you got to kill John Stewart and it's like how puts the brakes on that. I am not killing him, all right, I am not killing John Stewart, even though that solves all of his problems, he goes, I'm not evil, I'm not going to kill him. And then even in the car, he was like until right up that last moment, how realized John wasn't telling him the truth when he tested him about if he figured out who the identity the man Hunter was. And I love that part in the car last week when he says, you know, I really did forgive you. And I was really hoping you were telling me the truth, but I have to take you off the board now. And by the way, he wasn't driving 70 miles an hour into the car, right? Well, he had to survive himself too. And so I like the fact that both how's like I ain't going to kill him. And even when talking to the man Hunter, he's like, listen, if there's anything I know about Stewart, he's not a coward. So I like that they did that. I also like that John Stewart was smart enough to go, like, yeah, the car a half hour later burst into flames. But like when he's talking on the phone, even John Stewart's like, like, I don't think he intended for that to happen. Like I don't think he did. So I'm glad both of them at least have a perspective of each other, but at the same time, how's the one who we want to think a sponsor of today's episode price picks. But ball season is back and if you're like me, having a little extra reason to follow what individual players are doing makes game day even more fun. That's where price picks comes in. Price picks is daily fantasy and it's incredibly simple to use. 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It's like, "No, no, no, no. That's not what the ring said." The ring said when he got to the apartment hotel, it's nearing depletion. He still had juice in that ring. He could have swatted Stewart five states over, but he decided not to do that and I thought that was really fascinating. I don't think that Hal Jordan wanted to kill John Stewart. He's deeply conflicted, but I think there's a little bit of Jack Sparrow in Hal Jordan in that he's playing-- I think that's accurate. You know, he's playing this part so people are looking the other way. They don't like him and Hal Jordan's a bully and he's like, "Hey, Jr., he's pissing everybody else off," because he's intentionally keeping everybody off their guard and he's drawing fire towards him so he can kind of suss out what's really going on. And I think that he's done a really good job of that. And the funny thing about him is how Jordan has been--his mind has been on the mission this whole time. You know, he's really--I mean, it's really talked to Sinestro, but he's still going after this manhunter and he still has to deal with the fact that the guardians have--here, this might be the most important job he's ever had tracking this manhunter down. And the guardians have also put him in a position where he has to worry about what's going to happen to me for a moment to moment. I don't know. And so I thought that that's-- all very very very interesting there is still you know you know we're talking a bit before we started to show and first of all i like we said about his been on mission there's a bit of a jack spare to him but really at this point up and until this point of the show he's never been wrong like his gut is always right and all that kind of stuff but here's the one of the things that really jumped out to me at the end of the episode was the end of the episode felt like the end of the season like oh it's absolutely good you know it felt like the conclusion john has the ring and he's like i see what the price tag now is that comes along with this ring and i don't want it boom drops on the table and i was telling Rob before the show star i'm like i had to remind myself as the credits roll there are still three more episodes yeah which brings up a couple of big things one of the things john said to the guardian at the end was like it made how break his oath what did he break we look we still don't know that what was the big breaking of what was the big thing that broke the relationship between how and the guardians what was it what was the thing that happened that made how no longer want to see his avatar anymore because remember an episode one the avatars like he hasn't activated me in x number of years why i just assumed he had something to do with synastro like he letting him go or doing something for his mentor that i think it's something way more significant yeah maybe i think there is like one big thing whether about you know when he says to john like you know it's it's better not to have connections whether it was they're going to replace in a Kyle Rainer storyline for him or maybe he lost a wife or there's something that made him lose it or whatever so that's one of the big questions for me is what was the big breaking of his oath and and that thing that separated and fracture the relationship between how and the guardian so that that's the one thing and then the other big question is at least to me that grandson is more than what he looks like there is something going on with that kid and i don't know if the kid is actually the man hunters offspring and not the sheriffs but maybe it is of the very fact that she says the main job of uh john ritter's kid the lawyer dude sheriff's husband is to under all certain protect the kid there's something there there's something majorly significant i totally agree with you i don't know what it is yet i don't even have any good theories yet but there's something major there so we've got three episodes left here to navigate i think a couple things are going to happen to navigate whether the beginning of the next episode will be like the beginning of this one a flashback to 2007 or earlier and we're going to see in a five minute scene what happened to how and that'll set the context i think that needs to be played out i think there's going to be some kind of a um relationship reconnecting obviously with john and how i think that's coming i think we got to find out about the kid i think there's more i don't think the man hunter thing is done because i'll tell you one here's here's one of my big things and if it wasn't for there still being three episodes left i would say i had a problem with this but because there's still three episodes left i think this is going to get addressed so synestros says to how if there is still a man hunter out there it's the second biggest threat you face obviously then talk about johnster destroys worlds these things and you'd be taken out with one gunshot to the head but like just a human on a water tower with a sniper rifle that like these destroyer of worlds eliminators of entire civilizations things entire quadrants of the galaxy fear a human on a water tower with a sniper rifle can take it out i i so i think there's something i don't think we've seen the end of that i still think there's more to it than that that we're going to find out about too anyway any sorry rob i rambled there for a bit no no no no no i look i also think we're going to find out more about the guardians you know how jordan was the first is the first green lantern of the of our sector and you know there there's probably this is the first time there's been a succession of the ring issue and i think all of this the guardians have been watching all of this very closely to see where it all goes because in terms of the of oa and their oversight of the galaxy they this interaction with humans their lore linnie is always going huh that's interesting you know she's always asking these questions and looking at them and i and i think that there's a lot more going on with the guardians than what we know as well because they've never seen this before so it's i think it's all one big test for humanity itself really so what do you think as as you look now at you know the end of the episode this whole conflict by the way i thought that was really cool when he was about to blow himself up and and how just created a tornado to flip him up into the sky for the explosion i don't know there was nothing i have to say i kind of was disappointed i wanted to find out more about those aliens and i think maybe there'll be more something will come into play what i think you're right i think there is going to be more shown yeah there's going to be more of that because i love paul bin victor's an actor and i thought he was great in this role but but then also how said green landans don't kill and that looked pretty definitive to me well you know he was blowing himself up right how didn't blow him up how just pushed him all the way preventing from dying either so i guess what could he have done he had he had the explosive there's nothing how could have done at that point for all we know he was a living bomb like i they never really kind of yeah they i didn't explain it went into that terribly much but i guess so for you though now moving forward what do you are some of the big now like i talked about how obviously i think we're going to get more about house background what fractured that relationship what was the oath breaking what broke him i think there's going to be more about the kid what are some of the things that you think moving forward or some of the bigger streets they need to go down still as we move into the last three episodes i want to see john steward tell his parents that he put the ring back he said no my god nope what's his mom going to do because it it didn't just alter the way he got raised for john's parents that was their whole life now yep their whole life was about doing nothing but preparing john to take the ring they're not going to be happy it's like it's like a parent telling their you know trying to prep their kid his whole life to be a doctor and he says i want to be a songwriter so i think you're right i think that's going to be a major amazing scene i'm looking forward to that come to mama jesus moment i'll tell you it's going to be bad but but so then are we thinking let me ask you this on the surface the manhunter's now eliminated the uh i keep mispronouncing his name atrocious is off the board if that was him yeah if that was him the one who kind of taking that that characters uh representation at any rate john's put the ring down how it was left lying in in a bunch of rubble there's no antagonist left other than the guardians themselves or that kid or the kid but here's my question for you have we seen the last of synestra or a synestro come back to play oh no he's got he asks what do you see happening what do you see happening here and if i would imagine we're going to see a scene it's probably going to be a flashback scene with synestro and how working together a mirror of the relationship that john and how had organized because synestro was his mentor and i think we have to see something like that before the end of the show don't we i i don't know like i i mean it is possible and conceivable and it works fine for the story in your flashback sequence because we have to know why synestro and jail well we know that and and and do we know i mean i think that something that was going on between the two of them because that's when whatever how did that's when he lost favor with the guardians you know something went on there which is which is weird because like according to how and according to the guardians how's the one who stopped synestros rebellion against the guardians like he's the one who stopped it so like how are they all of a sudden completely on the outs with each other especially i mean that i don't have his own mentor Yeah, we're gonna cease we're gonna we got to see that because whatever happened there is is a reflection of what's been going on And I think it's gonna I think whatever that is. It's gonna be the same thing. We learned how the man because learning how the man hunters seduced the town Was a big deal, you know, it really explained a lot and I think that we need that with how And Sinestro and because Sinestro to say that John Stuart was more of a threat than a man hunter There's there's got to be more something ideological that was happening here So I'm looking forward to it. Also, I did really like the I thought it was hilarious when Hal said You know the whole joke about what did you sleep? Did you sleep with them and it reminded me of the scene in aliens when when was it frost? It doesn't matter whether it's octurian baby, you know, and I just thought that was when Hal said that well You know when you're traveling around the galaxy that cracked me up. Yeah, I Yeah, that episode ended and I was just like oh my god So I am really looking forward to however they start the next one. Remember we still have to get worse We still haven't had our guy gardener appearance yet. Nope. We still haven't had guy pop up yet So it's gonna be I can only assume now that This is how the ring goes to guy that John abandoned the ring and now that's how guys gonna get it That's the only way thing I can guess right now, but I'm sure we're gonna find out and I think we're gonna find out in the next episode Is where I think they're gonna go with that. Okay. Okay guys You've heard Rob and I now going on about this for a bit Let's now go over. I've had the super chats open I forgot to announce that but the super chats were open and you guys sent in a whole bunch I've now turned them off because we had enough come in But we're gonna hop over now. It's just gonna take me a second to load this up. That's not it. There it is We're gonna take a look now at what you guys have been sending in for us to take a look And let's see what we have here. We are gonna start off with Where's the first one? Okay, our first one comes to us from Jared C. Who writes? Did I miss something with the hologram? What was the purpose of him showing up look like he didn't even need him or is that meant to pay off later? Well, Rob I might be missing something But I think the whole reason he pulled him up was to do a scan of the city and search for the manhunter Which he later accomplished and reported to Hal located or this is where she is was there supposed to be more than I missed or was that No, I know that's that's the way I took it just like you said Yeah, no again, I think one of the big things to come up is what was it that made guy want to turn off his own hologram I think that's gonna come up But yeah as far as the episode of the show the purpose and summoning him was to do a citywide search for the manhunter and Was mission accomplished. So I think in those terms. That's all he was trying to do All right, Ryan Holman writes one of two these past two episodes were great The slight progression of John and Hal's dynamic followed by its immediate spiraled downward But I also really like what John came to realize about what the ring was doing to both of them and him choosing to walk away Very Lord of the rings vibes. It makes sense of guys upcoming role Maybe like I that's I would just brought that up. Maybe this makes sense of guys upcoming role. I think it probably does but yeah, it was also very heartbreaking Rob because You saw them making progress in the relationship that you know, I think how Started to actually respect John. I think John started to actually respect Hal a little bit Even with all their existing animosities and then something happens and it breaks it and I thought That was really heartbreaking because I think there's a part of all of us including me That wants to see how Jordan and John Stewart both with rings side-by-side fighting off some big baddie together And I don't know if this show's gonna give us that. I don't know if we're gonna get that do you think that? Iron Man to back-to-back when Rodeon. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what I think a lot of us are hoping to see but I think we might see it We'll see if if another ring can comes into comes into play here. All right Robert presser writes. I'm curious how guy is gonna fit in the show. I'm guessing he probably knows who shot Hal unless he did it I'm probably 1,000 percent wrong, but you never know I here's my guest Rob. I could be wrong. I don't really think guy fits into the show I think guy is going to be an appearance I think he's going to be there to serve a story function just of the episode in An expository purpose to sit there and have a conversation with John Stewart now I don't know. Maybe he actually plays a pivotal role in a couple of episodes My guess is he's really just an appearance in order to give some Exposition and some background like any other character that would come into an episode and then walk out I think that's possibly the extent of it or It could be more than that. I don't know Where how do you see guys role playing out in the next few things? I think it's probably gonna be more cameo-ish Like very or an appearance for like 10 15 minutes in an episode then probably got or do you think he's gonna play a larger role in this? I think he's gonna play some kind look his personality is so different from Hal and John's That I think that maybe the guardians themselves do a pivot you still you still have to have no fear But maybe they decide to look after or look out for a different kind of a human That isn't a test pilot that doesn't have a military background. I you know, I don't know But something that that makes them realize that the two men that they picked are Maybe not the best and then and then it's ironic because we think Guy Gardner's a douche But the guardians are like no, he's what we need here right now So it'll be interesting to see how that all works and by the way the two concepts aren't mutually exclusive Guy Gardner can be a douche and be completely fearless Like he so like he can be both and you know, that's what you know I loved him and Superman too because at the end of the day He's like he's gonna ultimately do. It's right. He's ultimately a hero But yet he is still a douche and by the way going back to the question here about Maybe he's the one who shot how obviously I don't think he's the one who shot how I am still on the train Rob Personally, and I could be a thousand percent wrong. I know that I still don't think how's dead Yeah, I don't either. I still don't think that was how that we saw in the state frozen stands I still don't think I mean it very well might be but I still don't think it is all right Let's keep going here next up We've got again Ryan who writes in also curious to see how John not taking the ring will affect his parents Rob was saying the exact same thing and their view of him and if they're love for him over the years has become twisted and Tension to pond his success Here's the thing again. I I go back and I reference mr. Noid all again on on YouTube But I really do think he has I think mr. Noid all really does have the best analysis of lanterns. I've seen online but you know there was one Breakdown of an episode that he was doing Rob where he kind of broke out the idea that the are not mutually exclusive things that number one John's parents were wrong and number two It worked Right like that the whole thing this all came about out of the episode where it showed how they very Abusively raised him right and he was he like I remember him kind of pointing out and I'm paraphrasing heavily here But it's like no it's it is they can both be true that they love their son and they wanted what was best for their son And they were totally wrong in how they decided to approach it and what they did. It's not one or the other it can be both and I am so I I light bulb went off from me Rob when you brought it up earlier I really wanted to see John telling his parents what he did because to his mom and his dad who I believe do love him I think like many parents do Kind of live vicariously through their children and Like the dad who never made it as a quarterback in college wants his son to go pro because that validates him like I think there's gonna be that moment where maybe they look at him is like you ruined our lives by not taking that you just Rendered our lives pointless or something. I don't know. Maybe they do that. Maybe they don't maybe they hug him and say Oh, we really want for you is to be happy John. Here's your crayons. I mean, I don't know When I think that's a that's a possibility here. Okay. Let's move on to the next one here After I'm we had Isaac who writes I know it may be early, but I think this show is on pace to be better than Penguin Kyle Chandler has killed it as this version of how and you know rob and I were also talking about this before the show start You said that not 45 minutes ago. Yeah, I I am not ready myself to say That this show is as good or better than Penguin yet Because we are just over the halfway mark. There's still three episodes to go and a lot of things can happen in three episodes Good or bad I Will say this I for me personally I'm only talking for myself as a fan. It is on pace that if the shows last three episodes finishes strong as the first five. I as an individual fan I'm going to be really faced with a hard to love but which one I like more. And now that again that's a big ifra because again three full we have three hours still of this show to come and it can go it can drop off very quickly. It could sustain it could descend. I mean I don't know. So I'm not ready to call that but I will say it is on pace to create a really big conundrum for me at the end as to which one I like better because right now they're very different too. Oh my god yes there's such different shows but again both HBO both all that kind of kind of and both unexpected both unexpected to me but yeah so we'll see we'll see we still got three episodes to go though. Why is it so let's not let's not jump the gun too much all right next up seconds from disaster rights lanterns is hands down the best thing the new DCU has put out I hope we get more of this and less of whatever super girl was I can't wait for episodes six seven and eight I you know Rob I'm still of the same mind on that as I am with is it better than penguin I'm not ready to say to me that this is better than Superman like because again we still have almost half the show to go and I think that I love Superman yeah this but this is much more focused than Superman you know in terms of the story that it's telling it's a very different kind of story and it you know Superman was kind of all over the place and and this is much more focused and I think that this is a more adult adult story you know I'll tell you one thing this show does make me very a lot more excited for Man of Tomorrow because knowing knowing that John Stewart is a big part of Man of Tomorrow and that I think it's gonna be a really a far more broader well I want it to be the Empire Strikes Back of James Gunn we'll see and it might be we'll find out all right next up Porter writes you do catch the John Stewart British accent slip up I'm not gonna lie first look let me say this Aaron Pierre is a wonderful actor and by the way I don't know if you saw it Rob where Kyle Chandler and Aaron Pierre did hot ones oh I did that was fun and I love their dynamic but as tremendous of an actor as he is there have been a couple of moments in the show where I've caught his natural accent slipping out just a little bit I've kind of caught it a couple time I don't know if you've caught that too but there was just been a couple a little more you know it happens with a lot of British actors to be honest I sometimes I catch those a little bit but yes I I did pick up on that but it wasn't the first time Porter I've caught it before all right just a couple left here Mark separates I feel like Sinestro still has a bigger role to play or am I just inclined to think that given his importance in the comics um I'm I'm wondering that too like Rob what I said earlier I feel like if all we got of Sinestro so far is all we get I feel like he served a very strong purpose it it uh we don't need more of Sinestro I think he served his purpose and served it great I thought the scene between him and how the prison was fantastic but now with the man hunter gone and still this lingering drama with the guardians if I had to guess I'm gonna say 45% chance that we get more Sinestro in this and I'll be thrilled if we do I'm totally fine if we don't but I know what you think the chances are you think we have to yeah because he is I wouldn't well maybe not as he is kind of the Joker to how Jordan you know he's a big foil yeah and um one of the big big runs the Sinestro this Sinestro core war was a big part of Jeff John's run so it'll be interesting to see how they work that out all right let's get back over to the questions here the next one comes to us from Gabriel says are you a for John are you afraid I still love that I really do all right seconds from disaster rights what we what do you think she told her grandson again no idea but Rob I still think that grandson is a major key part again the show is being played face up the kids not hidden it's right there in plain sight and I think there is I think this kid has a bigger role to play in the final three episodes than Sinestro does and I'll I'll I'll make this guess which by the way I make totally recant after the next episode if how Jordan is dead I think it might be that kid who kills him because remember how is the one who pointed the alien hit squad towards his grandfather if that is even really his grandfather I mean I don't know but I again I don't know what it is I don't know if the kid is alien in nature I don't know if the kid is artificial I don't know if the kid is truly just a kid that everybody likes I have no idea I have no theory but I am damn sure I don't think we've seen the last of that kid yeah you know be interesting what if the kid is none of their actual biological kids what if that kid is just like everybody else in the town a kid that the the man hunter saved at some point and maybe his parents died I mean I very well be I'm going way off on that somebody in the live chat is saying crazy theory what if he is abinsore yeah I don't think that's the case I don't think that's the case but again nice wild theory there okay next up we've got my five rights not on board with how Jordan having an innocent man killed okay okay I was just kind of brought that up about me you know he's the one to point them I don't think how Jordan at all thought he was having an innocent man killed no I think if you look at the show and everything that happened in it from how Jordan's eyes not the things how Jordan didn't see that we as the audience did get the opportunity to see in here as far as how Jordan understood this guy is completely in with an intergalactic terrorist this guy is a militarized arms bearing oppressor of this town serving the man hunter and he just pointed the squad towards one of the man hunters guy I mean I am starting to think that guy was more innocent than we all including me initially thought but there's no reason on earth for how Jordan to think that or believe it there's really nothing that was fed to him in terms of information that would lead him at all to believe that he was anything but a big huge co-villain in this town along with the man hunter by the way also the guy who had how shot yeah he also had how shot so let's not forget that but he also knew that how could probably be fixed maybe you know but it could have killed him yeah he easily could have killed him anyway okay next up Gabriel writes john how come marvel has never come close to this quality for besides for one division well I mean to be fair DC hasn't come anywhere near close to this quality other than Penguin I mean we are if you talk in television I and so hitting the hitting the level here's the funny thing Rob that always strikes me about I think we're guilty of it too and our fellow fans are guilty of it everybody thinks making that level of excellence is easy everybody just thinks it's easy oh why not just make a great movie oh really why didn't we think of that and I think we're all guilty of that myself included but making a show to the level of one division is exceptional making a show to the level of Penguin is exceptional it very rarely very rarely happens and so and by the way you can't discount the fact that this is HBO I mean HBO is just the we've talked about all the time Rob HBO is the gold standard they are it they are the gold standard of excellence in the medium of television storytelling there's just nobody who does it as good as HBO does and so I don't think it's a coincidence when you're talking about maybe the best stuff they've done talk about Penguin and maybe lanterns we'll see how lanterns turns out it's not a coincidence that they're both happened to be HBO shows which is part of the reason why I'm really believing even though I'm not a potterhead that this Harry Potter series is probably gonna rule but I don't know Rob what would you say to that like why do you think we we don't get more consistency with that level of excellence that say penguin lanterns wand division has been what do you think the biggest hurdle to that is I think the easy answer is that it's really hard to do well and you know the funny thing about this when this started everybody was was really complaining about well it's not a cosmic super cop show and set the universe and now I mean it's to me I find it to be sort of a really interesting meditation on the whole green lantern mythos and the there's a lot going on in this show that has to do with being a human being and the idea of being old and past your past your time you know John I worked for a director a long time ago who made a minor league baseball movie that was wonderful called past time and in it it's about a over the hill white pitcher who has a young black phenom getting ready to replace him as the pitcher on this minor league baseball team and I it's it was a lot like lanterns but I know right and it was a wonderful story and noble william the character actor plays the coach of the of the team column a guardian if you will and he says to the pitcher who's going to get replaced this is look it's one of my favorite things I've ever heard in any movie it doesn't matter how good somebody else is it doesn't make you any better or any worse and I always thought that was such a profan that's why I actually wanted to go to work with that director I work with him as his director of development for a while because of that line in that movie and I the idea of being of getting old which is something we're all going to have to deal with some sooner than others and and being replaced by the young upstart is such it's so it's such a pattern of nature in humanity and I think that having the underpinnings of that to build a show around is something that you don't often get for superheroes and the same way that that penguin could lean into the to the criminal empire is opposed to being you know the penguin is a larger than life foil for Batman you really got to dig yeah you really got to dig into the criminal underworld of Gotham and Christian Christian Melody I mean she was Melody was incredible Melody and when you can when you can delve into human nature the truths of humanity and what it's like to live as a human being within the context and and WandaVision had that because it was all born out of Wanda's tremendous grief and sorrow and so when you when you couple that with a superhero story that's when you get gold and it's hard to do which is you know part of the reason why I think Wonder Man works so well same the same you're absolutely right same thing that I can't believe they're not going to make a second season that show I was I mean again we understood all the the entire time it was meant to be a one season only show but man once they announced they were doing a second season I'm like well yeah of course you got to do another season I'm so heartbroken they're not doing another season on that yeah anyway okay let's get back to we got one question left here and it comes us from seconds from disaster when says when Zoe said she was going to force how to deplete the ring notice how she neglected to tell John how my jaw dropped when she started the attack listen I'm so glad you brought that up because Rob this was one of the points I wanted to make and I totally forgot about it I love the complexity there's no simple answers in this show this show could have gone the way of oh no you don't get it this this man hunters just misunderstood it's actually a good guy oh look at how she saved the sheriff's life oh look no no no no no no the show doesn't let you forget this thing is totally willing to kill every man woman and child in that city in that town to save itself and even when the sheriff is talking to how it was a dual thing one loyalty and I owe her but the second thing is was fear that man hunter is will kill everybody if we don't do what it wants us to do like yeah it saved all of us we owe it it's protected but at the same time show wipe us out without a second thought like she will kill all of us and I love the fact that they don't the show doesn't pick aside like I think there are parts of the man hunter that truly feel I think the parts of the man hunter that really did have affection for John I think there are parts although it could have been manipulative who knows but at the same time the show doesn't let us don't get confused though this is still the thing that kind of wiped out entire civilizations this is the thing that is there to serve itself and it can say it loves all these people but if it's a difference between slaughtering 20 children and giving itself a five minute head start it'll slaughter the 50 children or 100 children or whatever and I love the fact that it does not let us forget that and but it doesn't so it doesn't make it a mustache twirling villain it shows us some things that we can have some empathy for but it doesn't let us forget what it truly is and I really love that about it I thought that was great I really did but yeah man when she starts calling down fire and like literally blowing up these people who are trying to protect her all for the sake of just a strategic move to try to get how to deplete his ring that was pretty ruthless man I mean it was smart but it was it was pretty ruthless too at the same time so and the story by the way somebody brought it up to in the live chat the story about her killing and like I keep wanting to say and Sabanore which is a totally different character abinsur about oh yeah abinsur even saved my life and showed mercy on me so I had to kill him like oh I mean it sucks I had to kill him but she killed him at least we think she did but we'll we'll find out later on all right Rob that wraps it up here final thoughts as we're getting ready now and we're heading straight into episode six any final thoughts predictions what we're getting in episode six uh I I think we're going to find out how's not dead you think they're going to reveal that in episode six yeah because this this show is it's we're on the downside it's it's amped up the pace maybe we'll have a little quiet before the storm but we're going to find out more revelatory information about how Jordan that's going to probably pull the rug out from undress again yeah and I think that I think next week is when we get a guy gardener I think now that we've how doesn't have the ring John give up the ring there's a ring absence right now I think that opens the door now for them to bring in guy gardener and to kind of close that loop now again how big of a roll that's going to be we'll figure it out we'll find out but we're we're heading into it so all right guys that will wrap up this week's lanterns post game show thank you so much for coming along as we talked about lanterns good to have you guys here and I can lie I'm loving the show so far we're heading now in episode six three episodes left to go I'm very excited I want to of course thank Robert Meyer Burnett for joining me here we will I guess we'll talk to you tomorrow on the John campus show tomorrow yes sir see you tomorrow and hopefully we'll see the rest for those you just joining us for this in case you don't know we do a daily one and a half to two hour live movie discussion show called the John campus show and hopefully you guys might want to come along and join us for that as well all right guys that'll do it for us for now my name's John kapi thanks for love for being here guys and until next time my friends bye bye you