‘Lanterns’ Episode 3 Instant Reactions | Midnight Boys

This episode of The Ringverse is presented by Searchlight Pictures. More than effort, America needs a laugh. Enders Super Troopers to the rescue. The cult comedy classic returns with the most offensive installment yet with Super Troopers 3. A debaucher is bachelor party, an over-the-top wedding, and a dangerous drug smuggling ring all threaten the troop's future. Fill your leader of cola and roll up to the multiplex for Super Troopers 3. Be out playing only in theaters, get tickets, meow. Welcome into The Ringverse. This is of course The Ringers' nextest podcast feed for all things fandom. We are Steve, the architect almond, the builder, and tinker of things. Jommie, the explainer. A dinner on. You've got questions. He's got answers. Old man van, he of the receding, resurgent hairline, co-baby chuck, the 24-care closer, together we are known as, "I'm in night boys!" We'll be right back after this. Okay, so files on socials. Instructions. Instructions. Instructions. TikTok threads. You'll have threads on there. No. We've got threads. Okay. Jommie, what's up with socials? Why are you disrespecting my line of work like this? I'm not. I'm just saying, files on the socials. But you can, um, files on socials. Do you have a message about the socials? If not, we've got to move on. Thank you guys for coming out to our American Symmetek showing of the Matrix Reloading. Matrix Reloading. That was a great time to be in the theater with you guys. That movie. That movie. It's better than I remember. It's kind of awesome. It's not. Stop, fuck. You were shitting on the movie. It's all about the same. I'm interested in knowing how, you know, people put on a film festival. Just so you guys know. If you're not on the film festival, then they want us to get people out there to the film festival so people see the movie. We sold it out to screening. Thank you. So off to screening. Yes. Shout out. And then Jomi shits on the movie before people watch it. Yeah. I was like, Jomi, what are you doing? You got to watch some garbage over here. Here's the thing. You got to, you got to be real. People were fucking carrying on in there. People were very. Ah, man. That was, that was, that was like, because I forgot the where's my place. Where's my place? I forgot. I had never seen that movie. That's, again, I never saw in the theaters. And so like, there are moments that are enjoyable of the movie that, I mean, we don't have time to get into it. I don't really particularly like love it. It's fun movie. But seeing like the, the highway scene in the room with the pack that room with all the people, it was fantastic. Architects scene. Architects scene. Architects scene. Actually, it was awesome. It's actually awesome. It's crazy. I love it. No. The architects. That's the worst part of the movie. Really, really. Because I'm getting, I'm getting, I'm getting deep into this. And, as Steve really quick. So the six cycles, right? Yeah. Okay. Neo is the sixth. Yes. In this. Oh my god. But they're not all Neo. Basically, it's all an anomaly from the system. Yes. And they always have two choices. And Neo is the first, is the first, basically, Messiah who chooses love. He's the first one to fall in love over rebooting the matrix. Correct. Because whenever you pull somebody out of the matrix, you create an anomaly. And every, whenever you create an anomaly, the Oracle intuitively gave people choice, subconscious choice. So whenever they choose to get out of the matrix, that creates an anomaly inside of the matrix. Enough anomalies created inside of the matrix means that the matrix has to be rebooted. So what the matrix does is it dumps all of the code that is remaining from those anomalies into one person. That's the one. But in order for to reboot the matrix, you have to take that person and use the code that they have in them to reboot it. Yes. So the visualized in that choice, the way that they do it, the way that they force that person to put their code back into the matrix is to hold the people of Zion hostage. Yeah. And the people of the matrix hostage at the same time. If you don't let us reboot the matrix, the humanity's dead. But Nio was like, fuck it, fuck it, because of Trinity, because he met Trinity, he fell in love with Trinity, fell in love with Trinity, and the Oracle knew that this was going to happen. So that's the way the Oracle has been planted. The Oracle knew that like, if you watch the first matrix, I see why she likes you, you're not that bright. The Oracle knew that the Nio Trinity thing was different. And that was the Oracle's game. The Oracle you would think was acting as a part of the matrix to make Nio reboot, but she was also doing stuff to make Nio and Trinity like together so that their love could destroy the, because she fell in love with humans after like parenting and for so long. For so long. So that was the Oracle's game. The Oracle's game was to free that by that, that, that, that, and that's why the architect is like, I know the Oracle is up to something. Yeah. I don't know what. That's why at the end of the entire thing, it's the Oracle and the architect sitting down, like going, what kind of world do we live in now that there's been a truth and out there's peace. And the architect in that, in that back and forth, if you watch this thing knowing, I'm going to be real with y'all. When I first watched this thing, I had no fucking clue what was happening. True. I had to see it like 10 times in order for it to make sense. Right. But when you first, when you first watched this thing, when you watched this thing and you know what's going on, you can see that after a certain part, the architect is afraid of Nio. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Nio answers differently, and the architect is like, wait a minute, because he's seen this same thing play out over and over and over and over and over again, and Nio is breaking the code. It's different. It's different. How can you jump? If you don't like it, you don't like it. Hey, look, let me tell you something. That's it was a massive. That's cool. I will say that next time we do a film festival, maybe we should introduce a movie that we all like. We should do Asian Shield or something like that and get the people going. Yeah. Maybe we should do something that we all like, because we can't. We shouldn't. We shouldn't be the downer boys where we get up there and everybody's inside to see the movie they love, and Jeremy goes, "Fuck and suck." Isn't that bad? Can you say? No. It's good. You like it. Okay. Okay. Let's do this. What would be a movie? Because we're going to do it again next year. Right. It's also about movies that we can't show. Like that is the thing. They're going back to the studios about like, what it's not, what can we clear? What can we, like, what would be a movie that we, we could all show that we all like, and it's not going to be like, they're not doing Infinity War at that bitch. No. So like, what's the movie that we could show that we all like? Well, we want to do the prestige, but obviously, I think the prestige is coming out next year, like the re-releasing it. Yeah. So it's like, those are the harder movies to game. Yeah. Could we not get planted in the apes? Because that's technically Disney now. Which one? I mean, any of the anti-circus ones, I was thinking of what was the second one? War. War, or I think all three of those are bananas. Yes. How many did he make? 383. The anti-circus three, and then-- It's rise. It's rise, war. Don. And Don. Did James Franco won? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no. It's Don, rise, war. Don, rise, war. No. I hate it. No, it's Don, rise, war. Don, rise, war. Cause it's Don of the planet apes. Rise of the planet apes. War of the planet apes. The end. And after that, Caesar dies. Oh. And it is the man. And the new one was pretty good too. Yeah. Which one was the new one? Uh. Follow the planet apes. I can't, but they're not making it. I don't think they make it anymore. That one was really good. The one that we saw. We reviewed it on the minute. Oh yeah. We did. That was good. It was good. It wasn't that one. I didn't see it. That was good. We did a whole podcast on it. It's like years in the future. And then there's like-- Like Caesar's going dead. That was good. Kingdom was the planet of the apes. Yeah. I have now was good. I would not thought about that. What a lovely day. When they had the young. And they were dead. No, it was good. I liked it. I liked it. Cause they had the humans and the humans have the little thing at the end. And she said she had the gunbinder back. Yeah. The tram. Unicating and the humans obviously are still around. I liked it. Nope. I enjoyed it. Fuck it. I love those movies. Okay. At Reverse on Insta Twitter, Facebook. Do you want to say anything about like what we've been talking about being the deal? Like the Matrix or anything. You want to say anything before you got it here? I just. I just. I want it better for me. All of us with your job. You're actually stuck in the Matrix. So you should be paying attention to these movies. You be on the socials. You be in the algorithm. He's rejecting the code. You got the most to learn from. Exactly. Of anybody. You know what? I just. Actually, you know why you act like this? I thought highly. I thought more highly of you guys. Because you are agent. That's why. Damn. You are agent. You are agent. Also. Also. Also. I forgot. I forgot. The Matrix is a black ass. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Try and tell you how. And don't get me started on a cloud Atlas. I'm not going to do this. I walk by and speak his mind, but I'm too afraid. - 'Cause he'll never come out. - They got their own culture in there. They going hard in that bitch. - I will, I will say the gaming community in terms of like tabletops, all that shit. They're a very welcoming community. They may want to bring you in. - I'ma go in there. I want to play. We had a lot of fun. We drank meat. This story was, Steve is a fucking genius. This story was even more immersive and fun, twisty and turning. - Right. - You guys got to watch it. You guys got to watch it. Do not miss Ring of Quiz. Or else you'll bitch ass hoe. Okay. Now on Thursday midnight boys bring back another special episode of Midnight Court with the special guest celebrity judge. It's a celebrity judge for Midnight Court. This is the first time. - Yeah. - Yeah. - We're excited. - No, we're excited. - I feel the episode, guys. - We don't want to show people who it's going to be. - No, no, no, no. - But we're going to show guest celebrity judge. That's when we're supposed to go, - Oh, who could it be? - Who could it special guest select? - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I don't know what it is, I don't know what it is. - I will say, yo shout out all the people coming, finally, we see who the courageous people in the town are. We want to come, chop it up with the midnight boys, have a good time, get this shit off. - Hey, yo, come to Thunder God. - I'm telling you, the person that we have, I'm excited, I'm really excited. - Coming in has been in movies with Mark Wahlberg, Charlize Theron, Patrick Dempsey. - He's like Tom Hawking, the person we have is Chris Pratt. - Chris Pratt. - Oh yeah? - Mike Myers. - Yeah. - Big role in the Mike Myers movie, okay. All right, so we have some of the great, yeah, you just get away. Come on. - I gave it away. - He gave it away. - Yeah, I think so. - We put everything together. - You want me to hide. - All right. - I'm going to hide this. - What? - Drugs. - Pots on drugs. - What? - No, he's the mushroom guy. Not you. - What's wrong with drugs? - I got it. - I got it. - Hibbing up homes for New York Comic Con. - There we go. - That's it. - Come on. - We want to New York Comic Con. - No. - No. - No. - No. - No. - What? - What is wrong with today? - This is the normal time we record. - Jesus Christ. - Jesus Christ. - I'm going to jump on Angel Duz in New York, whatever. - Give him a 50 phone call, he wouldn't get. - On today's episode, we will be reacting to the third episode of the HBO Max series, Lanterns, Stan Airpire, it's John Stewart, Kyle Chandler, is How Jordan. Okay? Fucking show is cooking. Capturing the imaginations of people, the show is breaking through. And the question with each episode is can they keep it going? Before we get to that, spoiler warning. See. ♪ ♪ ♪ We're getting ready to talk about ♪ ♪ Lanterns, you're listening to a reaction podcast ♪ ♪ ♪ The spoilers are coming. This is the Midnight Manifest. It's Chuck. Chuck David Olives. - All right, this is your Midnight Manifest. We have a third episode of Lanterns, directed by Steven Williams, written by Vanessa Bayden-Kelley. And a flashback to 2016, we finally witnessed that what went wrong with the Stewart family. John Stewart's senior was a candidate for the Green Lantern Ring, but denied after revealing to the weapon that he fell fear. Most believe the sergeant was crazy, including his wife Bernadette, but this all changes when a guardian visits Bernadette to apologize for revealing their normal process for choosing Lanterns with many human candidates with traumatic memories. The guardian reveals that John Jr. might be genetically predisposed to be a great Green Lantern if his parents train him right. The Stewart's forced their son to undergo physical, mental, and emotional training to overcome fear, and give him the best chance of becoming a future space cop. John joins the Marines, becomes a sergeant major, and gift a sniper. However, he's dishonorably discharged after how ruins one of his operations as the Green Lantern. Luckily, John receives his big break after joining art school. The guardian that visited his mother gives him an interview for the position. After a detailed interrogation, John is named as house replacement, this anger's Jordyn, who shows up at the Stewart household to inform John that he'll have to take the ring off his dead body. That has been your midnight manifest for Lanterns, thrown it back to you van in some reactions. So swing, so swing here after you've had two successful episodes to go bottle episode John Stewart origin story. So swing, so swing, and I feel like they hit a homerun. I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. It was in a perfect episode, right, not saying it was a perfect episode, but in ways, the most important one we've seen yet, because this deepens our understanding of the personal states for John Stewart, which is what this show probably is going to be oriented around. Min Poise? I like this episode a lot. I think I was a lot more frustrated with where it fell in the season, because you just end an episode too, with Hal Jordan sitting down with Sinester ready to talk and chop it up, and then you grind all of that to a halt to give me like why John is feeling the way that he's feeling. For an episode, it's great. I think it's very well executed for the most part. I think that this is probably the thing that this is kind of conceptually taking the biggest bite out of, and it's what the conditioning of being a green lantern from birth and raising somebody to be that, is that abuse? Is that programming? Is that something that can be conditioned into and/or out of someone, simply based on being told that you are destined to be something great? It's kind of really high concept for somebody to execute in the span of an hour, and I think it was a really good job. Yeah, I mean, I really like this episode. I mean, I would understand why people would, you know, bump up against it, because you know, we're not in Rushville for this episode. We don't get a ton of Kyle Chandler, and like you said, the last episode ends with him talking to Sinester, and we don't get to see that continuation. However, I think the episode did two things that I really, really enjoyed. Number one, we had the question of like, where did John get all this, like no fear from, right? When his dad wanted it for him, however, like we find out, it's really his mom. His mom was the one that was locked in, and we see like how that, like, took John, like as a baby and molded him into the man that we see today. And two, his relationship with how, and how far that goes back, even though, they've even met they had a relationship. Right. They've only been doing this two months. I'm like, man, how much have been the dick in two months for you to hit him like this? Right. So, some of us were going on, basically since the day he was born, where how takes the, well, he really take it, but how gets the green lantern ring over his dad, does that little resentment? And then when he's in the hill or in the mountains in Russia, trying to kill that guy, how takes that away from him, and then he has to get dishonorably discharged from the military in order to save face, right? Right. And so I think that episode, to your point, like gives us like real history, real background, only on John, but his and how's relationship. And I think that's a, that's a good foundation for an episode. I love all the lore they keep adding because the more that they reveal about it, you just realize just like how sure of a hand, Lindelof, Mundi and King have where it's so smart to take something from the comics that is get the green lantern ring, essentially when another green lantern dies and it will find you and then being like, okay, but like if we break this down into the process, what if the ring is finding a bunch of people and it's driving them insane? I'm like, that is fascinating because what this episode does is almost better than Superman. It situates how destabilizing it would be if you wake up one day and either meet an alien or maybe you know aliens are out there, but it comes crashing into your life. It death, it just like deepens the world of just the DC universe. So I loved all of that. I loved all of the component parts of this episode. As a viewer, I'm getting very, very, very tired of prestige TV having to do flashbacks, flashback episodes. I, it's, yeah, I just had, my frustration was this was just like, all right, we're only on the third episode into Steve's point. We are like grinding, grinding, grinding to a whole. And like this is all stuff that I was like happy to learn, but it definitely did take the momentum to me out of the season and not in like a way that's like the show's going to be shit. like this is still a great show. It was just, I was like, okay, we're doing this again. - Yeah, I think number one, from that's their style of storytelling, obviously. And number two, I tend to think in in scenes of these shows, these episodes are by far the most important. - They tend to be like laying a emotional framework around John and what it took for him to grow up like that, which was like, I wouldn't be crazy for saying that that was like some pretty intense levels of abuse that his parents put on him when he was a kid, to know that he absorbed all of that and still was resolute in picking himself to be Green Lantern, rather than doing it as a thing that his parents indoctrinated him into, which they did, but in the end, he still chose himself because he believes in himself. I think that's a great message. It feels, again, just really weird to put it so soon because I think in the architecture of, at least the show that it's presenting itself to be, we would find that along either breadcrumbed or there would be a big reveal of something like that near the end of a season. - No, what a lesser show would do is give it to you through exposition. - I'm not saying that it's a lesser show. - No, no, no, but listen. What a lesser show would do is give that, it's just tell you that. - Right, it's just, you'd have John go, you know what, my entire life I've been raised to be Green Lantern 'cause it actually chose my father and he was too afraid for it. And there's something else that, this, I mean, and just a lesser show would do that and just give you that and then you would go, okay, well, his dad didn't have it or they'd flash it back or whatever. This show is the origin of, in my opinion, this show, Lanterns, is the origin of John Stuart as the Green Lantern, that's what the show is. And it is smart to do, 'cause you could do that show as a pilot, right, the one we just have. - Or like a widow's Bay where it's like a lot of times for these TV shows, like it's like in the sixth episode. - Exactly. - Or it is like that is the one where you get, like widow's Bay did a, here's the history of the island episode and you kind of halt the narrative to like basically reveal the mystery that was always there. - Right, like the way the reason why to me, I think it's smart to put it here, but let me go back. Forget about that, if it's in the sixth episode, if it's in the second, third episode, that criticism is gonna be the same, right? 'Cause at some point you're going to have to stop the narrative even in widow's Bay when they go back and to, I'm like, there's a lot of other stuff that I was really investing in at that point and you're taking an episode off, right? You can, the Patricia episode which I really loved is almost like all about her in that situation and like Lufus isn't in it that much and whatever. So that, I'm not even, but this episode actually did a lot more than just John. Like if you watch this whole episode and I watch it a couple of times, the Guardians themselves. - Yeah, this episode is an origin story for the version of the Guardians that we're gonna get and it creates mystery and entry about why they've changed their process. Like what made them change their process? It is in fact true that the ring finding a Green Lantern is either imperfect or it results in carnage for somebody's life. They also don't like the Green Lantern that they got. The Green Lantern that they got, the fearless one doesn't have any architecture to his personality. He's reckless, which this episode demonstrates from Jordan, right, jumping in there doing something reckless. He can't be controlled. Not only is he fearless in his life, he's not afraid of them, which means that he doesn't respect authority and what they wanted to create was a Green Lantern who both was worthy of the ring because he had no fear, but respected the chain of command, which in order for John to demonstrate that he didn't have any fear, he had to respect the chain of command because that was his parents then into the military, right? So coming out of this, the actual arc for John Stewart will be when he loses faith in the Guardians and has to make a decision based on himself as an individual and how that will resonate with his character and what he's gotten his entire life because she asked him to sit in that seat for a whole night and he sat there. They asked him to set up on somebody for almost a year and he ate bugs and berries and did it. The question will be at the end of this show when either the Guardians are someone else or maybe even his parents ask him to do something and he knows that it's wrong when he'll actually be a full hero and do what he thinks is right over somebody else. And like the groundwork of this episode showing how dedicated he is to the idea that a greater power telling him to do something and service to that power is heroism is the thing that the show has to get right for him to come out of this as the Green Lantern. - I mean, they also kind of drop an interesting thread where it seems like the Guardians were not ready for humans. There is something about our emotional process and our society that gives how Jordan this power that they almost seem afraid of and they are afraid because Sinestra was his mentor. - Exactly. - And that connection of like, okay, Sinestra was powerful enough to kill one of us and how even though he took Sinestra down has this mentor bond and it was interesting where I was like, oh, it seems like the Guardians want a human that is powerful that they can control. Where they're like, even if we can't control how there's something about him that makes him such a Green Lantern. If we can essentially engineer one from birth, now we have a chip back in our, and I was like, oh, that's fantastic. - Which is like to them a very short lived wager because to them humans only live for so long anyway. So what's another 18 years to just wait to see if they can cook a John Stewart from that side? And I've liked that idea. I think that the biggest revelation that I got from this episode was like the very beautiful and like poignant metaphor of in episode two when John constructs a bird when he wishes to fly. And now we actually see the real relationship that he has with birds in this episode where he basically considers them to be like this sort of like overwatching angel figure of the Guardians in his life because his mom said that the Guardians come to them as birds and talk to them. I thought that was like, oh, that just made episode to a lot sadder. And that actually gave a lot of dimensionality to John. - When he asked to when he asked to cross the bird. And yeah. - And he like looked very forewarned and sad when he had to like put that bird away. - He's like, he's like, he's just a bird. - He didn't, but he did. - It's also the most subtle like metaphor or whatever, but it's interesting that John is so talented at his job that he can essentially create a bird, a living creature, but he cannot fly. Like that is the thing like, as a great lantern you can't do where it's like how can fly like that? Like it is just like he has enough freedom and belief in himself where he's just like, I have this power that I can just at any time just go off and do what I need to do. Whereas like John can create so many things with his mind. He's so creative, but he is so repressed that there is a part of him that is holding back and I was like, okay, that is a good buddy cop dynamic for a show to go down. - It's how a dickhead. - How? - Yeah, because I imagine like once the call comes in and they're like, hey, we're giving John through the ring, like he went to Oha, he was like, yo, I'm not doing this. And they were like, you can either do that or we take the ring. He was like, all right, bet. I'ma go and I'ma go and be mad at John. He's up to the parent's house. He plays nice. He's like, man, you guys, what a son, wow. This is incredible. That's what Midwest Houseables crazy. - Kind of not crazy, right? - The Midwest Houseables, I was like, I love you. I love my dog, but we should talk about it. - But legitimately says things like that to make people uncomfortable. - Yeah. - Everything is a power play. - Goes outside to spoil it. Oh, no, I'm awful. Hey, by the way, you never get this ring over my dead body. And then flies off. I'm like, yo, I can respect it just because I'm like, he's like, I'm not training my replacement. - Yeah, I'm not doing that. - Like, but I've been in the league. What do I look like handing it off to you? Fuck you. - He had to be that mean about it. But you know what it, but the reason why him popping up at the end of the show to me was worked so well is because this entire endeavor is obviously there's a racial component here. The ring finds someone who is like made in their society to run society. Like he's a, he's a test pilot. He's a white male, good looking white male. He's all the reason to be confident and fearless in his society. His side is not engineered around making it be fearful of it. Which is why the show addressing that there is a difference between fear and I know plenty of fearless nicks. I don't know what the show was talking about. I know plenty of guys that just ain't, it's like almost like ridiculously fearless, but anyway. One guy being grounded, like stuck on the ground and one guy being legitimately in the sky is you trying to figure out which version of the Green Lantern thing you, you, you, or it with more. But even more so, the Green Lantern itself and what it means to be that, like what they are willing to put their son through, what it means to be that, what he's willing to do to protect it, it's something greater than being a person. It's like a, it's a higher calling and something different. And what people are really trying to do in this world, at least between these two guys, is transcend. And they don't, they feel too regular when they're not the Green Lantern. They feel too ordinary. So they're fighting for their identities. Like one identity that's been given to John Stewart, it's going to be interesting to me in this show, when John Stewart has to really come to terms with what he's ever wanted for his life. Like did he like, has he always actually wanted this, does he even know what he's actually ever wanted? Like by the time we meet him, he's really young and he hasn't even lived enough life to consider what it is he wants for himself. And is that the reason why he's not wearing the ring at the end of the show? Is he not, is he not wearing the ring when he finds how Jordan, because he's decided, at least for a time, that he wants something different. That this is actually not where he's at in his life right now. So, and then when you see Jordan, Jordan is holding on too tight, so tight to it, because he has no family that we've seen yet, like he doesn't, like he has nobody around him. So this is legitimately this ring for Jordan has like, giving him purpose and community and the ring for Stewart has given him destiny. So like, it's competing to defend how, and this is where I think the comic books come in is like, I think he's so mean to John, because John is essentially an agent of the Guardians. And I think when he had to arrest Sinestro, I think it's not that Sinestro was wrong. I think Sinestro, well, he was wrong in terms of like killing a Guardian. But to me, what this is leading us to is Sinestro probably on, on was starting to unravel a conspiracy about all the things that the Guardians are hiding. Where it is just like, if the Guardian's created the manhunters, and the Guardians are essentially like bureaucrats who are trying to put a certain level of architecture and control over the universe, I could see how how it's just like, so I'm being replaced by someone who was going like a mindless Marine who was going to listen to whatever the fascists say. That to me is like, just makes for great story where it's like, there is the racial component they're playing with. But I do think it's a level of like, he also sees how powerful John is in terms of like, oh, they got him, they might be right. But yeah, the, I mean, to your point though, there is a like when, we mean, you know the Guardians, they're not the, they're not the greatest people, you know what I mean? And they hand out this immense power. And so that's actually an initiative way to think about it when you like know about the Guardians. Well, Lenny is doing the thing and she's like, you know, no, look, we protect all the world and all this. He's like, yeah, but at what cost, right? And so when you have that background, there is a level of, yeah, like how is not like, how well, how is bumping up against the Guardians on where the Guardians don't like? We know what the Guardians have gotten up to. So they, they aren't completely trustworthy. So I have to ask this though. And this was intentional. I was like, hey, oh, the Guardian is a little racist, she was looking at baby John, like this was the NFL, goodbye. And she was like, she's like genetically, he might be, right, I'm just supposed to be great. My main thing was, I'm like, like Nick Saban coming to the ball, like, she was like, he got your genetics. So like, I think he could do some. Yeah, man. You can run a four to two. Do you think they're racist? Well, I think what I genuinely clocked the fact that like, they seem to know when to present as nice white lady Laura Lini and claim to not know anything about racism. Too much, guys. You're saying it's not right? No, what the fuck is happening? No, I thought that that was intentional when I'm mostly joking. But when the Guardian was just like, well, she's, she's talking to the mother where she's basically trying to like be like, well, it almost chose your husband. So like, there's something genetically here that you guys have that makes him free to be supposed to be a great green Lantern when I'm just like, no, you are just controlling this mother who wants our family essentially to be intact and to think of something greater than themselves and for her son. And that's why like the real sadness of the episode is how lost Bernadette gets in trying to chase this thing when we kind of know you're being controlled by aliens. Mm hmm. I don't care. She was tempted with how she was tempted with money and all of those things like were spat back in her face. But you got arrested for trying to cash in the diamond. Yeah. Like I'm tripping. I saw this completely different. Number one, the Guardian recognized that Bernadette wasn't afraid. So like when, when, when she was talking to Bernadette, she says your husband has something genetically that she says you are a very formidable woman. And Bernadette is out there, hold, remember, as soon as the Guardian, as soon as the Guardians come through with a lantern comes through the ring comes through to John's dad, Johnny. I think it was like, you were afraid. Yes. Yeah. Like, yes. He got dumped in a bubble. He's afraid. But, but when the Guardian presents herself in front of Bernadette, she goes, like you're one of the guards. She goes, prove it. She turns into a alien. She regards her. She turns, she turns back. She goes, you want some coffee? She's never scared. Right. Like she's not like, she's not afraid at all. And so when the, when the, the Guardian goes, there could be something genetically in your husband that makes him, that, that made us seek him out. But you are formidable woman. Like she sits there. She talks to the Guardian and she's not only like giving her the real. She's shining her. Yeah. Like she's putting her at the, at the end of her spear. Like you guys need to do this better. Do you have any idea? She's, she's talking to like an ancient alien and has absolutely zero fear of her. That is what the Guardian saw. The Guardian said with you, what your husband is genetically, which made him, us look for him in the first place. Six, two. Yeah. Like six, four, two, three. Yeah. Like, aim. And what I see in you, you could make your child fearless. And so like, but you don't, you don't see that as like manipulate like it, not to break like ironically, it reminded me of like the Friday night lights episodes where they would go to like flashes house. And it's just like, oh, we're throwing all this stuff. It seemed like manipulation from the Guardian in terms of just like, yes, she sees that this person is fearless or that there was something about her husband. But it's like, oh, there's a Marine and there's a teacher here. If I poke and prod them in specific ways, I can engineer a Green Lantern that we can kill. Because she could have chosen anybody on us. She didn't have to like listen to the plight of the Jordan family. She couldn't have chosen any of the Jordan family. But she already had found a family that dislike how Jordan, here's deal. She couldn't have chosen anyone else. I mean, I guess she could have the ring chose and then he didn't meet the test of the ring. So the ring chose, right? So the ring chose John Stuart's dad, then he didn't meet the test of the ring. Now for whatever reason, they came back down there. They said that they went and these organisms are certainly collecting information, right? I'm not saying no, but for a certain reason, they went down there and decided that they wanted to cure people's trauma with gigantic diamonds, like you know what I mean? So whatever that is. And then in doing that, she recognized that there was a possibility that they could get something out of John. I'm not saying that she didn't want that. But I think Sanha was manipulation actually takes away Bernadette's agency. Like Bernadette, like legitimately, when she's sitting down there, in my opinion, she gives all of the reasons why her husband failed. But then when presented with the opportunity for her child, not to fail, this right here is an allegory, like force, just of the black experience, like my parents felt this way. All of the reasons why they failed, they wanted to take all of those reasons away from me as being a black man in the world. They wanted to take my fear. They wanted to take my uncles and stuff couldn't read. My great uncles and stuff like that, those guys couldn't read. They wanted me to be like John Stuart. And once I did it, they wanted me to be loud about it and not let for anyone to be able to tell me that they were better than me. And that, to me, is why she's freaking out when she gives, she does kind of freak out because she starts crashing out the whole fucking episode. But she sees John's role as a Green Lantern as a way to like access his humanity to show that he is good enough. And another way that that exists is she feels like her other two boys are already gone. They haven't done this intentionally enough. They've never tried because it's never been a project that they thought was possible. And when the guardian speaks to her, she goes, "Oh, well, if it's possible for me to create a fearless space cop that will go out there and transcend everything else, I'm going [BLANK_AUDIO] - So she turns into a marverative, and oh, I mean-- - But here's the thing, this is why, to me, what was like, and it's the nuance of the episode, is like, Bernadette actually isn't without fear, because the moment when she's like, when John goes, "Okay, I'm gonna shoot the apple off your head," the fear is like she finally realizes like, "Oh, this is what I've turned my son to." Where it's like, I read that less of, "Oh, I'm afraid of losing my life if he misses "and more so, there's something that I've done "to my son that has cut him off from his humanity." - Yeah, I don't think that's necessarily fear. I think she has some regret. But I mean, by the way, I'm not necessarily even saying that she was fearless, 'cause there's definitely concern when he walks through the bad neighborhood and then it comes back in, and when she's waiting on his bedside, and she does a level of relief that comes off her face and she's like, "Go get a pork chop." Go to the kitchen, it's in the microwave. She walks away. That was when I was like, "Oh, yeah, she's like, "she's trying to hide the fear that she has from her son "in order so he keeps, it's like contagious," right? She's afraid that he's gonna be afraid that we're almost the whole experiment. - I think it was very interesting to see when the dynamic between John's mom and her husband, when clearly he's also having some reservations about this because in the pilot, we see him as the only person that was shooting apples off his head. We haven't seen his mom in any episode but this one. And there was a part of me that was like, "Oh, no, when he says, I'm about to shoot the apple of mom's head." Am I about to see John kill his mom? And this is gonna be a huge complete bummer of episode. Thankfully, that didn't happen. But there's this interesting order of events that shows giving us to where not only is John's dad, kind of having hesitations about the way that he's raising his son with his wife, but in the pilot, he was the one that was probably doing that of his own volition before he was already even training him about to be a Green Lantern. I don't know, it was very interesting to see. I mean, also going back to the Guardians, what I was interested about was the mall scene because that guardian is interviewing other people. So I was just like, okay, is this part of a larger conspiracy where this guardian was doing this to a lot of kids? - Were they for sure? - There was some, wasn't it some I was leaving? - Somebody was leaving. So part of me was just like, so there were other candidates this whole time and was this like a college day? - It seemed pretty obvious that they were looking for somebody to replace how Jordan and they were going to look until they found that person. So it seemed to me. - Like, I don't know if there were kids that like, this has been like for like whatever, it's like 10 years or whatever, or was this just like other agents where they're just like, hey, seen for jobs? - Yes. - I thought that's what it was. - Yeah, I thought they were just like playing a game. So I was like, yeah, it's one of the people, man. - I don't think so. - No? - 'Cause she had been visiting the other candidates. - Right, so she talks about in the thing that like there was, the ring had more than one person that went through the trauma. - Right. - And I think they didn't get someone they got, they got how Jordan displeased with how Jordan, whatever how Jordan is fearless, which means he's uncontrollable. I think that they were probably looking for people to feel that trainee role. - Yeah, but there's also that interesting line that she says like, I've found that my natural form to be unpleasant. So by the time that they reveal themselves to other people or other potential candidates, or the parents of other potential candidates, I think that conversation that they had with Bernadette might have gone a different way with other people. They might not have had the types of welcome, like no, just give me the diamond and I wanna leave. - Well, Bernadette, maybe it did, but also Bernadette is, once again, when the lady says that when the guardian sits down, she's impressed with Bernadette, which is another thing that makes her lean into John. She's impressed with her. Bernadette has her own demands. She has her own worldview. She's curious. She knows what the guardians are supposed to be. She demands that this woman like this being be as sincere and authentic in front of her as possible. And when she has something to say, she at times the guardian looks in that scene, looks stupid in front of Bernadette for not having considered some of the things. And then Bernadette obviously becomes obsessed because it seems like she's obsessed with her son like becoming something more. But the interesting thing in all it is, is at the end it is, John loves his parents. - Yeah. - So, like John doesn't seem to, at least at this point in the show, carry any scars from the brutality of his upbringing. And even this episode did an interesting way of painting him as singular amongst his brothers, singular in terms of his relationship with his mother and his father, but still part of his family. At the end of it, when they're a little older and more distinguished and they're sitting down, John is, he says, he's excited to tell his parents that it worked out. - Well, I think that's also like, once again, if we bring in the comics, the guardians don't really believe in a motion, they're emotionless creatures. And when John is going back and forth with the guardian, he is having to explain humanity to someone who like has really no frame of reference for it and the emotions that come with it. And I think where the season is leading is essentially, they were trying to recreate a manhunter with John. They're like, can we create a green lantern who does not feel emotion, but still has the power that someone like Hal possesses? And there is a thing in John that no matter how brutal his parents are or is upbringing, there is still a love there and there is still a reverence that even then the guardian is still trying to be like, we thought, we kind of thought we would beat this at it. - I mean, what does he say? Like we're not, we're not robots that you can't program us. - Yeah, we're raised, we're not programmed. - Exactly. We're different. - And what's the difference? We love the people who raised us regardless. - Well, there is no difference, but yeah, there's no difference between raising someone in programming them. - There is definitely a difference. - No, there's not. - I see where Vans come in this. - There's, there's, yeah. - It is raising someone is the most efficient form of programming them that exists. Until you get out into the world, you will regurgitate your parents' ethics. You will do everything that you think they want you to do. Like raising someone is learning, growing older is unlearning. It's your parents give you everything. They give you your religion, your sports team, your diet, your education system. Like the things that they feed you, they figure it out, hey, you don't like this, whatever, whatever, they give you all of that stuff. Like actually being a free individual adult is challenging all of the things that your environment and your parents gave you. It's going, I don't believe that. Think about when you first start beefing with your parents. When you first start beefing with your parents, it's like, you know what? You say, I don't, I'm not a Christian. What? Like I'm not a Christian. You know, I don't, that's the thing that you do or when you tell them about themselves, like when they do something and you go, wait a second now, you're telling me to do this, but I've now have enough of a brain in my own head to see what it is that you are doing. And I will, I'm challenging you on what you're telling me 'cause it doesn't seem like you're following your own programming. And for John, that is what is about to happen. What is about to happen is, 'cause even in this, his dad is still calling him. His dad is like still doing it right now. He's still raising him, he's still calling him. He's still calling him, asking him if John is going to start making decisions for himself. And that is when the character is going to be a fully formed adult person that is not under the thumb of anyone. - But I think there's a difference between, to me, programming is something that is efficient. It is like humans are not machines where it's like programming doesn't fail. If parents are doing their job, right? It is essentially like the minute a kid starts having a thought of their own, it is having the ability to be like, okay, this person isn't a machine. Part of raising someone is like nurturing them to become their own person. Like I think it was very intentional that, John is still a child, even though he's an adult, when he, when how Jordan fucks up his shit, and he has to go home, and his mom being like, hey, I signed you up for art school. This is the thing when I was trying to program you this whole time, that I was trying to beat out of you, and I knew deep down, this was your path. I kind of have to let you go. And that to me is the difference between programming someone and realizing like, people are not machines, people are people, you have to let them go their own path. - It's so fascinating though, 'cause you mentioned that like when, if it was anybody but the guardians asking-- - One second, she chose this path. - She, that was more, she, he didn't make that decision. She told them to go to art school. And then when she, and then when she told them to go to art, she said, you're sitting here too long, you'll now go to art school. And then the art school is where they found them. So I read that scene completely different because when he's drawing as a kid and she's realizing like, Oh, he's an artist. He wants to be an artist. And because I've chose this green lantern role for him, there is something that I'm having to be out of my kid and ignore. And to me, it wasn't a, I signed you up for art school to continue your programming. It was more so hard being like, I should have done this a long time ago. I should have gotten out of the way and let him be an artist to begin with. I think that's her being like, oh, John will never do this for himself because he, I brainwashed it. But the way to do that actually would be like, go sit down, and this is it, and that's why I say parents can't help a programming, until like parents can't help but make decisions for you and put information into you, until you do, until you make your own decisions. The way to do that would be to go sit down in front of him and be like, you're out of the military. Have you thought about what you want to do now? No, I haven't thought about it. I haven't thought about what I want to do. This is the only thing I've ever wanted to do is Greenland and well, you know, when you were a kid, you really loved art. Like we've put a lot of pressure on you in this time, we understand that. But right now, if you want to go be an artist, go and be an artist, well like it's like think about what it is that you want. The other way is to make a decision for him because you think that that's best for him. But he's not a man yet. But he's like, that's where the nuances are. Where his parent, like his mom is realizing, she's just like, oh, the reason that she like signs him up for art school is because he's like, oh, I've made a robot, I've made a machine. I literally need to, I'm like, I'm not disagreeing with you on most parts. I think what the show is trying to litigate is essentially this is what happens when a human is raised by the guardians, when a human is raised by something that's emotionalist because even the dad, the dad at a certain point is like, oh, we're raising somebody that we don't, like that, this doesn't feel right. And it's the mom that keeps us like. - But there are even small things. Like, John doesn't like cheeseburgers. - Yeah. - They try to reward him with something that he's not even asking for, right? Like the, I thought the art school thing was a really interesting thing as well because I have way, I'm not even, I'm not sure that that wasn't part of the plan. - For the guardians or for the parents? - For everyone. - For art school, no. - Like to, he goes to art school and that is essentially where he is harvested. There's an, air piers are a really brilliant actor. And when the guy is asking air and piers to draw the thing, he softens his face. He's happy to do this. And then when he, when it becomes obvious that this is some sort of test, he reverts. - Yeah. - Like he goes up. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, draw this, he's like, sure, he's happy. This is, he's happy. But then he absolutely reverts and gets right back into what he has been programmed his entire life to be. And I see that also when the guard, when he's back in the interview and she asks him, do you think that if you weren't raised like this, that your connection to your brothers would be less complicated? And he takes so long to respond to that. Like I counted it, it's like 15 seconds. Like it's a very long time and he's just like staring her down and he's thinking about that. And all of those things about programming versus being raised, I loved the fact that the guardian was asking him that question and we've never heard anybody else in John's life ask him that because under the guise of that interview, of course he would say that I was raised and not programmed because that's all he knows. And he's telling that to the person that will give him all of the purpose that he's ever wanted in his life. So he would of course say anything to get him closer to that. - What do you mean? You think he's lying? - It doesn't matter if he's lying. - Oh, I don't think he's lying at all. I think he's saying what he absolutely 1,000% believes to be true. - Yeah. - But he obviously was programmed. Like that wasn't how he raised a child. - But he doesn't shit, it depends. - Sure. - Like that he's talking about what he believes. - He believes his parents did this because they loved him or because that's what they said. That's all he's conditioned to know. Like, but if you were to see another set of parents raise somebody else, he would think, well, what do they care about that? Like this is my destiny. I'm graded. They don't love that kid as much as they might love me. And the fact that he's interrogating that, I see that what he's interrogating in front of her because he has every intent to be truthful to her, but he's trying to sniff out his own weakness in front of that interview. By taking so long to work. - He's being very, to me, he was being very strategic in that interview. - Yeah. - Where he is like, he knows, all right, this is what I've been training for my entire life. I know the question behind the question that this guardian is asking me and he's doing the calculations in real time to be like, how do I get my job? - You guys, John is naive. - I can't let you guys get it. - Like you guys, John is naive. John, like John, in that interview with that guardian, John is naive. John hasn't realized a bunch of things yet that are true. Like John just sat on somebody for nine months and waited for him to come out. John hasn't realized a lot of the things that he thinks about himself and that he thinks about this entire world that they, like, he has to become a little bit more like how in order to access the full version of who he is. John is sitting down there when she's saying program. He's like, people on program, they're raised. Like John is naive. - He believes that. - No, I'm not saying he's not naive. What I'm saying is he has been trained his entire life to be a marine and to think in certain ways that will help him pass tests. And I was just like, yeah, there's, it's nuance. There's a bunch of stuff that he's telling the guardian that he believes, but he is also sitting in that job interview being like, I know what you're asking of me, which is like, will I follow your orders whether I disagree with them or not? And all of these questions and everything you're asking me is leading up to this point of, can we control you? And he's essentially being like, yes, and how represents the thing that is like, actually man, like it's like, you getting this job is not the end all be all. Your parents were trying to raise you to get this job to be great at it. - But he, but John also believes in the control. - Yeah, yeah, right. So that's the thing, so the thing is is like, he doesn't need to, he doesn't need to feign to them that he believes in their authority. He believes in it. Like, like he, he would, he actually believes in their authority. Like it's part of his fearlessness comes from structure how Jordan's fearlessness comes from a complete lack of structure. Part of like, he's like, he's sitting down there, even when he is like, when he is hesitant to sort of tell certain things about them. There are times when he, and then she goes, if you want the job, you need to tell me everything. Right away, boom. - Classified. - Classified, it does, because he's, there are points at this initial that permission structures for Jordan for Stewart are clashing. Like, he doesn't want to talk about classified information, even if it will give him the job for, of the military, because he believes in the sanctity of the oath he took as a Marine. Like that, that permission structure or lack their other permission structure to, for that, that means something for him. She has to use her authority to coax it out of him, right? To get to the point that she wants to get to, which is letting him know that it's Jordan's fallen all of that stuff. Like to me, this, this like, this entire, at the end of the episode, we see a air Pierre emote more than we ever see. He's smiling. - That means walking to his parents. - We use what, like, when he's walking to, and even when he's walking out with Hal, because Hal hasn't shown himself yet, he's still happy. Despite everything that he, that he feels about Hal Jordan. So it's, but you know, I'm gonna be real. You could read all of these scenes either way. Like, I read the scene with the Guardian as an echo of the scene with Bernadette. When he was sitting there, the guard, when he was sitting there talking to her, that scene is an echo of the scene with his mother earlier. He is his mother in, like, in that scene. Like, he's, like, understanding the power of the Guardian, but still testing the Guardian, still with questions for the Guardian. Like, at one point, like, the Guardian says something, and Stuart actually goes, am I supposed to say something? Like, those little, those little parts where he shows that he's actually not afraid of them, but yet still has complete, like, understanding and reverence for their authority is exactly what the Guardian's want. - But I also, I think what the, at least through the first three episodes, what this show is interrogating is like, any of these people being fearless is a fallacy. You know, that, like, that is another form of control, where it's like, how is scared? Like, Gary's just like, what are you talking about? You can see through the facade of how short it. Well, Jordan is lonely, he is sad, and he's scared, and the swashbuckling way he swings his dick and goes through life is a way to hide it. And I think for John, John Bernadette, they're all fearful. What they're actually teaching their son isn't how to be fearless. It is like, how can you have, how can you control yourself enough and hide enough that you can get what you want? And I'm just like, I think where the show is leading because this is where all Green Lantern shows lead is like, it's not about being fearless. It is about having the courage to admit, I do feel fear and I can overcome it. You know what, you know what's interesting, this, this, this is the midnight boys court debate of the century. You don't, you didn't read that at all. So no, so do you know how, how did, how did Bernadette say that she was going to get make him fearless, how does, well, how does she say they're going to make him fearless raise him without fear? No, by acclimating him to fear, by getting him like you were going to, when we are, when we are in situations where me, for example, I went 10 years didn't get on an airplane, like maybe longer, like complete, didn't get on an airplane, we didn't go nowhere, we didn't do nothing, I didn't get on no airplanes, I didn't take no trips to New York, no places like that. 10, 15 years, actually more like 15 years didn't get on an airplane. The way that I got over the fear was to acclimate to that fear, to be on an airplane, being on a smooth flight doesn't help you get over your fear of flying, being on a bath light does, where the plane is like this and all of that stuff and you like always sit up and down the pilot comes on, hey man, let y'all know y'all flocked, like whatever the plane does the drop thing, yeah, yeah, I'm like, alright, man, like I'm saying like, so you just let y'all know y'all, and then after you get on that and the plane still lands, the next time you're on the plane and all of that starts again, okay, the next time, look, then after that, you're like, god damn, like stop, you're fucking moving my coffee, like all these turbulence and stuff like that. So for them, making him fearless was like immersing him in the emotion, so that it didn't affect him, like not that he, not that he necessarily had to mask it, but immersing them in it. So even when fear is there, that he feels nothing, he doesn't feel anything, right? What's that gonna be afraid about? Well, yeah, because like you didn't walk through the, you didn't walk through the thing, you didn't die, you didn't shot the thing off the thing, you didn't die, like and there's a confidence thing that comes in there too, right? Like, when he's about to shoot, she goes, he can shoot the moth, there's no reason to be afraid, he can shoot the wings off a moth. There's no reason or a moth out of the sky, there's no reason to be afraid. So if you're afraid that fear is a synthetic expectation of doom, and that's what they're trying to rip from him. And at this point, it's also taking something else from him, which is his ability to properly emote. And the question is, once there's a reason for him to emote again, because that's what the lady says about, about, about cows that he's actually cut off from the, how he's actually cut off from his emotions. Once there's a reason for him to emote again with his fear return, because I think what they, what his parents did is they got rid of a very superficial level of fear, it's the stuff that they talk about when you go to therapy, where it's like, hey, you might be acclimated if you are like a soldier to go to war. And through your training, you're just like, I'm going to get the job done. And then when you get back home, the fear of like, okay, how do I have a conversation with my brother or my mother or my parents? A lot of what John is experiencing, even when the guardian is asking him questions about his family is like, he knows what he needs to do to get the job. But if he ever actually questioned things about like love and abuse and how he was raised and how this is disconnected him, that's where real fear, like that's a level of fear that comes deep down. How do they understand? To me, how being able to mindlessly point a gun and shoot or to listen to orders, all of that is very superficial, where it's like you're conditioned and you're trained to have the courage to sit down and have a real conversation with someone and to feel heartbreak or to feel like, Oh, I was raised to do this thing. Do I feel complete? Is this actually what I wanted? That's actually where deeper emotions appear. Right. Well, I said that. I said, I don't think that it's possible for a human being to be fearless. Yes. Right. So like it, I think it's a, I think it's a, another thing that the show might do is because if you don't have any fear, you can't be brave. Yes. So there's no, there's no, being fearless doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is bravery. Everybody has fucking fear. You're scared of something. And I think when, once we learn more about this character, he'll probably learn that lesson that being it like emotionless or cut off like Jordan is is not actual real fearlessness because for human beings, part of our makeup, part of who we are is to have a wide spectrum of emotions. Right. But the Green Lantern shit is based on and even James Gunn, I think had teased that there might be another ring that is just like for people don't know the yellow ring is fear. Red is like anger. Red is red is rage. Blue is hope. Indigo is compassion or pink is love for it. Oh, yeah. Is love. You have white is life. Black is. Purple future. All right. That was too easy. We're about to dirty sprite ring. No, I got it. Yeah. Two rings. Two ring man. Come on. A lot of future had one of the rings. What a future. What a future. What a future. What a future. What a future. What a future. If future was the Green Lantern, what would future manifest? He wouldn't manifest. Him crying next to a room full strippers. That's not these holes. Double cup. Double cup. Double cup. Double cup. Double cup. You imagine if the teacher was like the future. Make a double cup for memory. Make a double cup. Manifesto. From your mind. Manifesto from memory. Okay. But check it out. If you got the double cup and you drink it and it's Sprite and Promethazine, you'll be like, hold on. You can manifest. Manifesto. Manifesto. Manifesto. The lane. So this is. And this is where the show is kept using this because they are basically like what makes you were like, and I love this at, like, because he's an architect. You can see how stuff structurally works. So they're like, he made a real thing with the bird. So I'm like, well, the bird then would have to have like blood. So can you like taste the blood? Does it, if you killed it? Sure. Does it smell like the same thing with the lead? Like, if I drink it and I get in fucking high off. Sure. Because he's like, so when I'm making the Promethazine, it's made of this compound and this compound. Yeah. So I have to funnel these into the, into the cup and then put the Sprite and that Sprite is made out of this flavor. And then this mod of carbonation. And then just throw it away. We're actually doing that. Dr. Manhattan. Ooh. Yeah. I watched that last night too. I watched it. I watched it. Wait, the Snyder or the HBO? I watched the HBO, okay, that one episode is a maze. The episode where the flashback is tough, bro. Wait a minute. Is it, are you talking about the flashback episodes? I'll talk about it through time. I'm talking about the episode where a sister night reveals that her partner is Manhattan. Oh. Hi. Oh. I remember I was standing up. I was fucked. That, that is one of the, that's an underrated television. Oh, shit moment. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Cause that was, I mean, I, I, I guess now when you look back on it, there were other people who had sniffed it out. Right. I'm dumb. I didn't see it at all. God damn you. But by the way, I think all of the stuff that we're talking about, it can be looked at either way. Yeah. For sure. No, that's what made, to me, that is why Lindelof and all of these creators are, are so genius where I'm like, we're arguing about it. Where I was like, no, a good writer is writing something where it's like, it's in the eye of the beholder. It's how you were raised, your history, whatever. I do want to ask because I like this episode, but there was a moment where I'm like, we're in surfed Dracula territory where this is a show called lanterns and with three episodes in and they not doing a lot of lantern shit. So part of me is I'm like, I'm going to have to start seeing some rings like it. That was, that was my worry when we, when we go back to the trailer and I was like the first trailer that showed us. I was like, I don't know. It's not a ton of ring stuff was going on and people was like, no, no, it's coming. So Charles, guess what? It's coming. We got five episodes left. To know that Guy Gardiner is still has yet to show up in the show, I'm not worried about. I would rather them slow roll it and slow play it because they know what they're doing. I still like the show. There is a level of like my nigga like, we know budget concerns and everything got got all like pinch and pinch. I think I need to see some, some way. I'm not seeing poverty when it comes to the fact that like I, and now honestly in the span of this conversation, I'm now like turned around in the placement of this episode because this is really going to inform every single thing that John does and says. I'm like, fuck it, the entire day. No, no, no, no, it had to be here too, because to to advance point earlier, if you do this in episode six or seven, Brad, if we write at the, if we write at the precipice. Yeah. And yeah, episodes are coward shit. I don't know if it's like that. I think you have to, and again, you said this earlier, this is a story about John Stewart becoming a Green Lantern, right? It's not, this, this is not about how this is about John. You have to give us the full John experience. We know how, right? We're familiar with how. He's been all the comic, I mean, I know that John has been a man, too, especially in the animated show, but we are building John up to be the Green Lantern of this DC universe. We have to know where he came from. We have to know who he is, what made him be, what made, what made the Guardians choose him to be the Green Lantern. We need, we need to tell this side of the story. It had to happen. I'm glad to happen earlier, rather than later, but, it's cool. Brits and Nestro back, bring out the next week, I have a question for you guys. We didn't talk about them because, just like their parents, they don't care about them. Marcus and Aaron, like if you, if you were to older, if you growing up, ale parents, like yeah, man, he to chose them, like we gonna, we gonna take care of this kid, and it's really like, yeah, they're basically calling you pussy every day. Kind of hard. I'm not gonna lie. It's something that does happen in Aaron community, but I've seen it happen. There are times when I've seen like uncles, aunts, parents, grandparents, they make a calculated play. They like all the time. Yeah. He gonna get us to the league. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You need to go out there. He's running drill. You need to go out there and help your brother. Yeah. Like, like, yeah. Hey, you should be. Hey, man. We don't need no negative energy. We trying to help your brother. Your brother, what about me? You out there and goddamn motor fucking law and nigga, that's what you're doing. It happens all the time. And it particularly happens. This is another thing. There's a lot going on in this episode. Because sometimes, man, if you, the black community, particularly Southern black community where I'm from, them four threes, them wraps, them sings, and them dances. That's how you buy your humanity. You buy your humanity with your vertical leap. You buy your humanity with how fast you could run while you can sing how you could dance. And sometimes it's a family of four kids and not everybody got the same shot. And I'm just being for real. And this has to be made like you see T shirts with people's faces and a jersey number on them and your jersey number ain't on that bitch, right? And it's not in a bad way because it's not I'm when I say this, it's expensive. It's not in a bad way. It's like what people are saying is it's part of your job as a family member to prioritize the member of our family that's going to change things for everybody, right? So just like we doing it, you got to do it too. Some niggas are good about that. Some guys are, you know, my little brother to one with the juice, my big brother to one with the juice is cool. Some of them are not. And I can understand why. It's interesting even where even if I did not like the choice, I was like, there's something true in this where it's like, because how is on such a singular focus journey of excellence where ATL ends comes on, there's something that he, there's a, there's something about the black experience that he is not being able to access because his parents are basically pushing him into a corner where it's like art, a hip hop, and all of the things that like give you a reason to kind of like live and become a fully formed human being. Do you have time for that when it's just mission complete? And that was very sad. I'm like, damn, this motherfucker, like what to get his rap song? He can't rap. I'm like, hey, shut up. His brothers, his brothers seem like kids that are curious and have questions and he seems like someone that is waiting for orders and continuously throughout this entire deal, Stuart is doing something and then he waits for orders throughout this entire show. Yeah. Like he waits for orders. He's like, wait, like they're all talking, listen to them, hey, get out and go do something. He is, he's been in a whole life waiting for orders. There's going to be a time in this show, I promise you. We have not seen ahead, there's going to be a time in this show, I promise you where he's not waiting for orders where his gut, you know how Jordan moves off his gut, where his gut and his agency are the things that make him a hero. Well, you know, I listen to what nobody else said and it's going to cost him something. It wasn't a little whack when the suburban black family drops John off in the hood and they just like, oh, come here fear, I'm like, all right, guys, tough. I was like, we got to take him out by the way, can I be all the way real? Like, I just got to name this. They're not going to do nothing to you. I don't know. They're not. They're not. I don't know very many places and maybe you guys can tell me places, I've been in the hoods that I've been in. What are you going to see in 11 year old kid, black kid, black kid walking down the street and just fuck them up. Like, they know how it's going to help them, they're just going to new term that, that was some age 24 black shit. That's a term, that's a new term. That was a little bit like, I'm like, that's not even, just like if you drop him off in the hood, I'm like, literally, somebody's going to be like, yeah, where's your mom at? But you know what? Yeah. Like, where's your pants? Like close to the same day, like, you know what you're doing out here, hey, bro, go on there. But I guess it's not about whether or not they would do something to him, is whether or not he would be afraid to do it. Exactly. We can't help it. But, you do see how it can be a little problematic, how the middle class black family thinks. The ultimate fear test is trying to get off and, what's going on with them? That's not the old, they shooting the fucking apples off of his head. They're going crazy. I'll stay out there. Yeah. Probably was like, God damn it, feel good over here after these niggas shooting, I gotta shoot my mama. I'll rather do this than shoot, I guess he shoots her later. But I'll tell you something, when, when you can both in John as an adult and John as a kid, you can see it in there sometimes. She goes, I'm going to wake up your father. He goes, no, you crazy. And, like, he goes like, no, don't wake him up, let this niggas sleep. I'm gonna shoot you. Even when he's like, I don't like cheeseburgers, I'm like, damn, but get some hair on your chest. I'm saying these ordered ways that he is starting John's freedom and his autonomy. I feel like as what's going to make is what's going to make him like a great landing. I just the only thing I can't figure out because every time it feels like you're getting an understanding of what needs to happen to this character, you know what the monkey wrench is? Jordan. Yeah. Like, Jordan comes back in and just reminds you that we all having fun in this business. Yeah. We're fun. This isn't the grace way possible, because Kyle Chen plays one of my favorite TV actors. He's almost in a different show. And what I mean by that. I agree. He's like, he's done TV soap for so long and we have such a connection to him where his charisma almost overpowers the entire thing, not even in a bad way. In a way where I'm like, damn, like, but it's so fitting for Jordan, so fitting. I love this episode. I had a great time watching it. I rewatched that last scene like three, four times. It's so good. When dad really dreams comes on, but he's like, yeah, now you're going to have to kill me for this. I was like, and I feel bad for Aaron Pierre, because Aaron Pierre is like a phenomenal actor. It is very different when you're Kyle Chen and you're just like, there's going for you. But it's not his fault. It's not his fault. It's not his fault. No, it's not his fault. I think what is happening here, and I think we should recognize it and call it, is that everybody in the show is operating on a high level, like Matt, like efficiency wise, I'm for like, I'm talking about basketball, but like everybody is hooping. And then Kyle Chen has like cool, here's a five minute cameo. I'm gonna give, I'm gonna give you 75. Like that's, that's all he's doing. Oh, I can only, I got a minute limit bet. I'm just going to be the man for my five minutes and go. Like he's operating as such. Can you imagine when this Kyle Chandler being in the Justice League next to light corn sweat or fucking pat and see just being like the old dog who's just like, I don't care what none of y'all told you about. Is Kyle Chandler even attempting to play a comic accurate version of Hal Jordan? No. Yeah. Right. And so that is because Hal Jordan is a test pilot and he's a fly boy and all that stuff. But I think the excess in which he's playing the character, although I agree, some times he's just like, it's just him and he's just being the dude from Wolf of Wall Street. You know, right? Yeah, Wolf of Wall Street was like, I like this boat. I like this one. Best boats I've ever been on, huh? You mind saying that again, real slow, then I would love bro. You got a robber, a federal officer. Love that saying. So Ken, is this, to me, it's actually similar to what Robert Downey Jr. did with Iron Man. I don't care. You can read Iron Man comics before Robert Downey Jr. And you could read after and completely like it wasn't that he wasn't Tony Stark. It was almost that he like ratcheted up who Tony was to fucking 10 can I ask you a question? Do you think in this situation and in that situation that in these two actors and their portrayals of these characters that what they actually gave us is how that person would have to be in a real grounded world because Iron Man is sort of grounded and to have Tony be millionaire, billionaire, genius, playboy, philanthropist, he just is going to be feeling himself a little bit more than the pragmatic, almost tortured version of Tony Stark that you get in the comics. And when you humanize that character through performance, maybe you guys just get up a little bit because this version, this thing is a joke of minute. He's going crazy in this. But think about it. And this is what makes it genius in the show. Now how knows he's like he walked up into the store house. He's like, he was the nigga who said, no, I'm the one who said, yes. And that happened to a bunch of humans. I would feel like the man if I'm like an alien came down, chose me. Yeah. I'm the Messiah essentially like. I mean, in that scene, he was doing a recon. Yeah. Yeah. It was not like he was not there to be not doing recon. Yeah. For sure, which is why he didn't give a shit. He stepped on the announcement. He was in there trying to size these people. Exactly. He went there to find John John must stay for honest pants. He was like, oh, this is this the whole fake like, like I saw through it immediately. So when he's doing the man, I stepped on him, but I was like, I don't. But it was doing time line. Because I was like, if he called them the Midwest, Hawkstables was this before after the Hannibal Burris standup. I don't know. Well, no, I mean, are we in 2016? We're in 2016. This is this is literally like months, maybe even weeks before Rushville. It's like three. He follows out. Yeah. This is like too much. It's two months. It's two months. Yeah. Jesus. That felt like so long ago. Here's the thing, though. It doesn't. It doesn't matter because either way, he's being mean about it. Yes. No. Yeah. He's in that way, but he adds a little bit more. So it does. Yeah. But it was supposed after Bill Cosby's like portray that like we find out he's a nasty man. Yeah. But regardless, it's still a dig. It's still like, oh, look at you. Little small little y'all. Y'all nice. Y'all cute. You know, that's crazy. I got to kill him. You got to kill John. He talked about your pants like that. I mean, personally, I want to let that slide. I have a we're finishing up. It was been a phenomenal midnight midnight man episode. This has been we have answers. We've been met at a different type of life. It's a main idea level like discussions about. Okay. Oh, lanterns has been synestro. Oh, Jesus. Uh, Stewart. Mogo. How? The guardian. Right. I just come with a diamond. Like, we hear you like these. Well, you know what I'm saying? That was crazy. And I mean, and by the way, that diamond going last, what the fuck these niggas spend the money on? You see the size of that fucking diamond. The one nitpick I have is saying that the diamond money rent is not, you can't. No, she got arrested. She couldn't cash. Yeah. No, they did cash because then they were trying to hang up the satellite. He's like, hey, yo, the money. The diamond. I'm like, all right. Yeah. It's been like five year. What do you know? That's like $500, $5,000. Wait, where did that? $500,000. That's way more than that. The Kobe that. Recipes. I thought they was like, those like a diamond that fucking sign. That big, that clear. It's like 10 million. But that's, but it was also 1996. You know, those are type of, right? Yeah. No, those are the type of diamonds where you go to an auction house. Exactly. Millionaires billionaires pay them 10% just to get it away from you. That's that was that's the problem. She went to a pawn shop. You got to go to like, you know, you got to go. Yeah. You got to go to South. Yeah. Oh, that should have been a whole thing. Take her like on a mission to like sell the diamond. But it also, it also really does speak to the arrogance of the guardians to like a not know about racism. Just give somebody a diamond and not think that was going to be a problem. Okay, so 10 karat. So let me not speak out of the side of my god damn face. So a 10 karat diamond. No, see, that's not even look. That's a 10 karat diamond. That bitch. Do the thing. Okay. Well, the 10 karat diamond is worth this one right here. One that fits in the palm of your hand. No, no, no. That one is on somebody's fingers. Right, right, right. So that one goes from they say, natural mind diamond goes from 100,000 to 3 million, which is a wide range. Yeah. I mean, but all clarity about when this happens, too, because I'm like, when they was the money, this was the financial crisis, this was around 2008. They have been west to stretch the money a little bit further. They probably own that house. Like you know what I'm saying? They're not military family. They definitely do. And I forgot a military family. So they go, they go, like they got taken care of. Yeah. Why didn't out of me like, Hey man, I appreciate the diamonds. It's really cool. Thank you. I will just take some cash. Yeah, you got bonds. Do you got like a, so you want the, you want, so do you think the guardians, do you want the guardians to rob? I guess they have to rob the diamond. I mean, I don't like that option. This adds to my are the guardians little races, because she went to the black woman and she like, you want some bling bling? Yeah. So we could hear this little lean around giant diamonds that I'm seeing guys. Yeah. These bitches. So that one, how much is that? The, the first one like, I'm like, now this, this, this diamond here is like, niggas back in the day. It's uncut. So, okay. I want to say how they did it. You don't need to, I don't, you know what I'm saying? Joe, me know what I'm talking about. I'm just going to, I'm just going to interact with that. Yeah. No, I don't know for a second. Let me see how much, I come, I got to do, no, I don't want to upgrade New York Times. Hey, bro, to all of these people out here, I'm looking up y'all, y'all fucking up y'all own shit because they're already paying for this. And he just want to read the article. And I got to go through hoops. Okay. So this diamond was found in Botswana. Botswana. And he was shot on my African home as well. Like in Botswana in 2024. Okay. It's 2500 carrots. Jesus. Okay. And how big is it? It's bombsaw. It's gigantic. Yeah. It doesn't have no price on here. Like it doesn't have a price. But that's the size of the diamond. I look like some Superman shit. That look like what? Yeah. Yeah. Like see, let's see Botswana and diamond. How do you say Botswana? Botswana. Botswana. Botswana. Botswana. We have to, we have to, I want to know now, you want to know how much the diamond is right? That's one of diamond price. So 40 million. 40 million. It's called the most sweaty, uh, the most sweaty diamond is is found at the caravan. Yeah. So what would they spend in all this money? 40 million? They did not get 40 million for that thing. What did they get? A couple bill. So this diamond is not, this, so this diamond is nearly as big as that time. The, the diamond that they gave her is not quite as big as this one. And I think the uncut diamonds are like worth more. But I'm gonna tell you the diamond that they got, that's got to at least be a five or 10 million dollar diamond, maybe even 15. Okay. Like there's got to be at least a, where do they live? Where do you like got them flats? I don't know. Like the big west. So I'm like, oh, it was you're not living in New York or a layer of some shit. You're like, what the hell? He's spending the diamond money on all the diamond money. So we're going to go on to the first night out. Oh, dog. That Steve brought up a good point. What if they get way better if they drove to Gotham? And they was like, all right, walk in Gotham. No, that's, that's, that's cool. That's fear. That's fear. You know, because you know, it's going to pop up then scared. Yeah. We're going to see it. We go like, you know what I'm saying? I don't have any fear. Oh, yeah. Cause here's the thing, I'm dropping, air is dropping him off in the hood. They're like, you're going to be afraid of poor blacks versus, like, Ross L. Ghoul is running in the street. I'm like, I'm the Joker. Like, yeah, be like, go through that. Who's the little homie? Oh, Marguerite. Imagine if John just saw like Joker pop out. There's a room name. What's his name? Kevin? The kid. Yeah. Canard. Canard. Canard. Canard. Canard. Canard. Canard. John just popped the Joker with the little stabries. Like, get up on this joke. He's like, let me get one of the canard. Canard. The canard man. Yeah. Canard pop. The canard. Canard wouldn't have been scared. Canard was fearless. I'll tell you this. They could be the green lantern rain too. Marlowe could have been the green lantern. Oh, it's like, she's going to kill everyone. They would have given them, they would have given the arena been guilty, man. They would have, they would have given the ring to be guilty. I started watching a wire again. Like recently too. The pilot is just, it's perfect. It's just the pilot. What are your season rankings? I've never got a wiler of the wire. So I gotta go one. Right. Four. Oh, right. Three, two, five. You're not putting four at one. Yeah, I was I was like four three, one, uh, four, two, three. I'm one. Which one is three? I'm a, I'm a, I'm a three. love three. I'm a three. What's wrong with three schools? What's wrong with three? Four is the schools. Four is the schools. Four schools. Four schools. No, yeah. No, three and three is the beginning of the Stanfield bars. They'll war. Yeah. So like, but three, I love three. Sorry, I'm mistaken. - Three is more politics for school. - Yeah. - If I can remember, five is the press. - Yes. - And then two is the docks, one is the corners. - Yeah. - So, but like I love, so for me is one, four, three, two, five. - Okay. - And I'm a, I'm a season two truther. - I'm, that's not bad. - One, one, four, two, three, five. - Yeah, one, four. - Where is that low? - Yeah. - I like season two. And I'm tripping, I like, three is one and eight best seasons, like. - I mean, they're all great, I mean. - Three's great. - I love three, it's just that four is so. - For so good. - Fucking phenomenal. - For so good, bro. - It's just, I love three. I think season two, like when I first started watching the, I was actually not the pandemic. It's like when I graduated, grad school. And I was talking to my people and they were like, "Yo, man, season two is a dip, whatever." But season two is like fundamental, like, undergirding to the show, and like, it's politics, right? - It just kind of stops all of the people that you know and love from season four. - Yeah, and then gives you a kind of a new base. - But what's happening at the docks and with the Greek, and all of that stuff informs so much of season three, season four, season five, that you can't really, you can't, like, tell the story of the show without it. And so when people are like, they don't matter this and this, I'm like, no. Like all this stuff, like, what they're able to get away with what they're able to do versus what Barksdale and Marlow and Stadfield can't do. I'm looking around like, yo, this is like so foundational. It's crazy that they were like, that's a, I don't wanna say like it's a crazy swing 'cause when the show won was this, like, 2002, 2004, whatever. - 2003 or '04. - Like, I would, like, even seeing it like 2018, I was like, yo, this is, like, I do gotta talk to Simon though the serial killer shit. I was like, what? - Now it was what? - I was like, damn, that's what, stuff. I don't know how y'all are, y'all could get it back. - Hey, guess what? - It's tough. - It was tough. - It was tough. - It was hard to make these two of the 2008. - Yeah. - Still a great show about that. - Special, a special talk about it. All right, we out here, midnight men. We're leaving, we're out here. We got special guests coming up. - Come on, special guests. - Yeah. - Special guests coming up. We don't give a fuck 'cause we'll have guests on this bitch and then we'll fucking love it. - Are the midnight boys getting a little too hollywood though. All right, like, are we. - I think we can say it to be a bit more hollywood. - Really more hollywood, not hollywood. - Outwardly. - This is what happens with the rappers. I hate when the rappers get too hollywood. I hate when, like. - What happened to, people still sell out these days? - Hell yes. - I mean, you can sell out. - I mean, you can sell out after they got a single. - But here's what I mean though. Because back in the day, man, when you, like, people got so mad when you sold out. Like, I can't believe this band is selling out. This person's selling out. Now, we see it all the time. - Yeah. - People sell out like-- - No, let's go. - Let's sell out. - It's tough. - You got a Mr. Beast contract? - I just be honest with you, it's just different now with the sell out conversation now that I'm older. Man, it's different now. It's different. I believe it's not compromising my ideals. But at the same time, in this social media era, these audiences turn on you so fast, man. They turn, bro, they turn so fast. - I'm gonna bring this up. Everybody get it going. In the day, like, she didn't want it being heat too. I'm like, hey, she probably is gonna get a generational bag for playing roles. - She made the right decision. - Yeah. - I love Michael Mann. I would love, come on. - Come on. - It was between Michael Mann's entire filmography and the MCU. I'm picking this. - We're listening to people that pay $20 to be on letterbox for that. - All right, why y'all? - Look, we talked about this a little bit. Sean Finn and he made a great point that you can compare her career, not, 'cause the comparison I made was this. Do you guys know who Doug Ray Scott is? - Sounds familiar. - You guys, you got, huh? You guys know that is? - Give me a roll. - So Doug Ray Scott is a guy who passed on being Wolverine right in the ring of X-Men. - Oh yeah. - So that he could play the villain in Mission Impossible. - Yes. - Mission Impossible. - Now look, now wait a second now. Wait a second. Sean made a point and a point was, it's probably much more instructive to look at Anna Pakman's career and what she got from playing Rogue and what she got was playing Rogue in a bunch of different movies than she got true blood and all of that stuff. - Right. - And I understand that. That's why Sean is so smart 'cause he's always comparing apples to apples as I compare apples to pairs. Now, but what I will say is that, if you asked Doug Ray Scott right now, you never know what's going to happen when you play the role, right? Maybe he's not, maybe he isn't nail Wolverine the way Hugh Jackman did. You could tell Hugh Jackman had it in two scenes, right? But you know what won't happen. And what won't happen is you won't get to be fucking Wolverine because what Wolverine brings you is the stability of a character that you can keep coming back to while you do the prestige, while you do the greatest showman, while you do, it undergirds a career. It makes you into a star. Then those other roles, you can go out and grab 'em when you want. Now, that don't mean that you go, you know, I fuck with Chris Evans, but you know, there's snowpiercer and then there's a lot of other stuff that didn't work. You still gotta go act, huh? - You didn't like ghosting. - I think Samuel L. Jackson someone told him, like, I forget the actor was like, you need to find Nick Fury became this role. He was like, you need to find the role, which shit gets tough. You know they're gonna make these movies. - Yep. - And the bank account could just get it. - Was it still, I've heard the stories. It's like, it was one of my friends. - So what I'm saying for her is there's no guarantee that she nails Roll to the point to where it, but there is a guarantee that if you don't take that, there's not gonna be a heat three. - Yeah. - Right? That if you don't take that, it's a hole in the economic and cultural part of your career that very few other roles could feel. - I'm sueless. - Bruce Williams told him. - I'm not saying the role cares the same prestige, but we also don't know if heat two is gonna be good. And that's not me saying it'll be bad, but I'm just like, I know that to your part, I was like, there's gonna be more X-Men movies where she's like, even if I don't nail Rogue first time out of the gate, they're gonna let me have bad vibes. - How does Andy never end? - I should. - She's like, 20 something? - You gotta take it. - Come on. - It's the one thing that Marvel has is money and plans. Like it's, and look, I get it, man. Y'all think we fanboys. - Cool. - But this is why you want James Bond. This is why you want any of these things. These are, you want this. This is almost, how would she? - 25. - Yeah, come on. - Generational money. - You gotta take it. - Look at Adam Driver. Adam Driver was in a lot of movies that like prestige and artistically were very interesting, but he hasn't had a hit in a while. There's a reason he's coming back and play Mr. Sinister. Like you have to realize, I'm like, if you want these actors to give you the Oscar shit, you need a couple of rolls and they talk where you're like. - They gotta feel good. - I can talk about the, like, we could broaden this and have a whole conversation on this. The great work that Andrew Garfield has done, the great work that Florence Pew has done. The great work that a lot of the characters and the people that are involved in MCU and other stuff like that, the great work that they've done while they're in it, because they don't have to worry about like these movies. These movies take up a lot of oxygen junk in your own, but they don't have to worry about being in successful movies. So they can be in movies that are artistically successful and smaller and whatever. - Tell me shout with me. "Dune, Willy Wonka." It's like, oh, I need to undergird like the stuff that like Marty Supreme was a good movie. - Robert Pattinson. - Robert Pattinson. - You're a bad man. Then you can go do the drama. You can go do the drama. - I saw a movie that we gotta go, but I saw a movie with Robert Pattinson and it called The Rover. Have you guys ever seen it? - The Rover. - I haven't even heard of it. - This fucking movie slipped through the cracks for me. God damn it. This is brutal. A post-apocalyptic Australian Outback movie. - Like Matt McShish? - It's what it is. - Guy Pierce. - Robert Pattinson. - The Rover. - It's called The Rolls. - Is Robert Pattinson doing an amazing Australian accent? - He's kind of not really. But you know what else is in it? The guy I can never, his name is like, Scoot something? Is he infurious? - Is he the guy in the wheelchair from Batman? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy. - That guy. I love that guy. - I love that guy too. I love that guy. That guy's awesome. He's in the movie. - Yo, never seen this. - We caught it and then we watched that bitch get, that bitch is crazy. For the same guy that did animal kingdom. - Animal kingdom. Oh, yeah, I know. - Animal kingdom. - Yeah, he the man. - That was the king. Oh, right. - He's been the king with Timothy Shilamay, so he's, he's awesome. - Yeah, he's awesome. The Rover. - The Rover. - Everybody check out the Rover. I don't know why we talking about it. All right, on Monday, House of R, everybody was right on this podcast. I was really, I was really in the check. - I'm having a fun with the lanterns. - I'm having a great time. - He's gonna see you. - The lanterns is breaking through, man. And guess what? We're gonna follow it up. Wait, the people versus gorilla grott next to you. - All right, baby. - Let's go. - I'm excited. Yeah, why are you negative? - I can't believe you hate it on the movies. Thank you to the people over here in America. It's in the attack. - Yeah, man. - Sorry, Joey was a bummer. - Sorry, yeah, but he was funny about it, at least. On Monday, House of R continues their lantern coverage. This Wednesday marks the epic return of re-request. I'm just begging you guys. I know. I'm sorry. It's so fun. And on Thursday, the midnight boys bring back another special episode of Midnight Court with a special guest. Yeah, staple. Our producers today are the layers nearest. Jacob Cornett, Devin Buroldy, Jamie Yuckitch, and Jamie Adderon on socials hashtag. Throw your hands in the air. - I like that. - I'm like, you just don't care here. - This is a production from Arjuna Ramgo Power. Chuck, take a sound. - I don't fuck with the flashback. How journey don't give a damn. And so far, with the season of lanterns, the gun hasn't jammed. 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You don't like Lobos? >> I don't like it, bro. >> You don't like Lebron. >> I don't like them, I'm just, I'm just objective, and that feels like hate to dick riders. >> That's activity, yeah. >> I'm supposed to dick riders. >> I hate to dick riders, man, I hate to, no. >> The first time I had a T-shirt. >> I was chasing Srirac, I was a little bit like damn, didn't really omelette shit. >> Dude, see, in that state, I was too, man, when Srirac was in all the music videos, it was everywhere, I couldn't drink, I don't know. >> I got some Srirac and I was like, oh, this on bullshit a little bit. >> I ain't never had Srirac in my life, yeah. >> It's not, you can't. >> Great goose was like one of those shit. >> Great goose was- >> Great goose was- >> Celebrity one? >> That wasn't celebrity, but it was in the music video. >> Yeah, yeah, cuz that was just like a- >> Great goose was, belvedere was- >> Rastall, like all of that stuff was- >> Remember that era, it's crazy. >> Y'all guys, you guys are- >> Hey, it's a space. >> Hey, that was their brand. You guys ever doing the credible Hulk? >> It's a space, yeah. >> Hypnotic and- >> He might be too old for that. >> Yeah. >> What's the head? >> Hypnotic and Hennessy, it turns green, yeah. >> Never mind. >> I can't get that in the garage with the hypnotic. >> Yeah, why do they gotta be in the garage, man? >> Hypnotic? >> I've never heard of this before. >> I've never heard of the incredible Hulk. >> Yeah, the hypnotic and Hennessy you miss it together, it turns green, it was called an interesting. >> Now we were two bent up for locus. >> I was three FDA for locus, then that was what it was. >> This is like a late 2000, early 2010s is for locus. I remember being on the way to school with my dad and having the radio on. And they were like, man, these four locus, man, they're killing the kids. >> They're killing the kids. >> Kids, kids, kids, kids, go to college. >> I was like, it was like, what was the Panera bread drink that was killing the kids? >> Oh, the Panera lemonade, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> It was just, it was the interest of it like. >> I wouldn't give up a lot, but I would give up something to try like a day one for locus. >> Day one for locus was right off the first. >> I probably got some cans, weft over. >> Nah, it was Bunker. >> That was 15 years ago. >> That's like a wine cellar full of four locus. >> Yeah. >> It was like, excellent year. >> That's a rat pull. Yeah, I got the 2009 four locus right here. >> And for the lady. >> You know, it's got notes of cherry, vanilla, and instant death. >> Yeah. >> If you want some, come get some, that's it. >> No, I was like, how rich people got like the last stashes of like quailudes and shit. >> Cool. >> Oh, right? >> For like the 70s? >> Because they stopped making them. >> Yeah. >> I didn't know he was running out of drugs like that. >> Yeah, quailudes apparently. >> Oh, yeah, they stopped, they discontinued them like a long time. You saw Wolf Wall Street, they talked about it in the movies. >> I do. >> Yeah.