‘Lanterns’ Episode 1 Deep Dive. Plus, X-Men Casting and More D23 News

Greetings, and welcome to House of R, a Ringerverse podcast on the Ringer Podcast Network. So I hear. Uh-huh. I'm Mallory Rubin. Yeah. Joining me today, asking, what's the plural for eat shit? It's Joanna Robinson. Sir, yes, sir. Hello. Nice to see you. We are here to dive into the series premiere of Lanterns. Very excited for that. We are also going to talk about some X-Men casting news and everything else that we got to witness in person at D23 at the Honda Center in Anaheim on Friday night. Surely not everything we saw there on Friday night. Surely not. Mostly just going to talk about Gacho, and we will do that all right after this. This episode is brought to you by The Home Depot. Black Friday is happening now at The Home Depot, and they've got just the tree for your style. Space. Space and budget. Make the holidays merry and bright with artificial trees starting at $49. Then make it your own with ornaments and trimmings for every holiday style. 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Mallory's just throwing out the first pitch at an Orioles game. Weather permitting. Oh. But some rain in the forecast. Really? Getting a little nervous. The podcast goes on no matter what. Be there for the live show pregame no matter what. Hopefully the first pitch and the watch along for the game remain intact. Well, okay. On the one hand, I would say surely the universe won't do this to you. But on the other hand, do you feel like you've manifested this because you're worried about your pitch? No. At this point, I think I just need to spike the ball 10 feet in front of my face, embrace the embarrassment, and get through it. I lean in no matter what. No matter what, it's a memory. That's what I've decided. The pitch is going to be a debacle, but I will enjoy it. How rainy does it have to be for it to be a rain out? Well, there can be delays. Okay, a rain delay. But an outright cancellation of the game, the rain has to be pretty bad. Okay. Especially at this point in the season because it's tough to make up games. Well, let's just do a light summer rain, perhaps. Break some of the humidity with a little thunderstorm? Is East Coast capable of that? Maybe we do some thunderstorms on Wednesday and Friday and keep it clear on Thursday. Why not? Throwing that out there. If you're coming to the Orioles game, we cannot wait to see you. If you're in control of the weather in Baltimore. Take care of us, please. Please do. Podcast topic is going to be a surprise for the people in the room in real time. Okay. Yeah. And then everybody else will find out a few days later. Got it. Yeah. It's a surprise to me in real time that we're not announcing that. That way we have flexibility, you know? If we decide to change our mind, great. Who knows? You never know. Guess what else we're doing soon? Oppenheimer. We've scheduled it. Yes. Sean is committed. He has. Yeah. If all goes according to plan, it's on the schedule. It is on the old Google Cal. And then. Speaking of things. Speaking of things on the Google Cal, Buffy season five, parts one and two. You have watched the episode Fool for Love. I have. Yeah. And that was very exciting for me. Absolutely wonderful. To enjoy from afar. Immediately some new GIFs have entered our texting. Very important. We've got some new references, so that's exciting. How can people follow along, though? What do you think? I would say. At House of Our Pod on social. Yeah. Do that. Email us, hobbitsanddragons at gmail.com. Do that. We haven't really gotten any lanterns. I checked this morning. So, you guys, if you're watching lanterns, please do email us. Send emails, please. I want to. This is kind of a theory show. I want to hear people's theories about what's going on at the end of lanterns. That's right. Get in there. Get in the inbox. Follow the pod on Spotify. Yeah. Or wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch full video episodes. It's exciting. And follow, of course, the Ringiverse YouTube channel. You got to follow the new Instagram and TikTok, though. We're having fun. Who knows what we'll be posting from. From Baltimore. Baltimore. Maybe the House of Our team. I plan to go to a museum. Is that good? Is that good social content? Is that true? Yes. Delightful. Wonderful. I like to go to museums. Science Center? Aquarium? How many Baltimore things are you going to cram into your brief stint? There's like a big library that I want to go to. And then there's an art museum I want to go to. Some delightful bookstores, too, that I'll hit you up on. Spoiler warning. If it happened in the first episode of Lanterns, it's going to come up today. And in theory, some other things from the DCU or DC Comics could come up today. I think that will be fairly light. Yeah. But possible. And also, if it happened. At the Honda Center in Anaheim, California. That's right. Last Friday night. That is all fair game. That's on the table. Today. Anything else, Jo, before we get to the D23 check-in? Any other programming reminders? Any other spoiler warnings of any variety of any sort? Not that I can think of. Fantastic. Let's chat about D23 news. Okay. First of all, let me say this. This was my first time going to D23. I had never been. And I was excited to go. Dare I say, I was determined to go. Yeah. We went. Yep. Probably won't go again. We went. I mean, the thing about D23 is that I feel like it used to be what used to be true. Because I've gone several times. And I think what used to be true is it used to be an interesting combination of, like, for the fans and for making news. Like, almost like, you know, like an upfront, like, San Diego Comic-Con. We're announcing a bunch of casting and news, and this is what's happening. Yeah. I would say, now that they've moved it to the Honda Center, this big arena, it is playing more like a big spectacle for fans, which is fine. Like, that's great. It exists. It's a fan event. It's for fans. It's for Disney people. Disney fans, yeah. And that's not broadly what we cover. There was, like, I don't know, a 45-minute segment, maybe, if even that, of Marvel and Lucasfilm, which is what we were there for. And there was some other stuff that we were interested in, for sure. I was there for Gato. I mean, yeah. I mean, you enjoyed the Pixar segment, so did I, but, like, that's not why we were there. I know. It's true. But it was fun to be there with all our pals. It was. The Midnight Boys. As usual, it was a new experience to share together, and that was a joy. Yeah, and it was, like, quite the sojourn, and we were all in it together, and they went in and recorded a pod immediately after, and you and I went home and went to bed, so, you know? That's not true. We both stopped for some fast food on the freeway. Immediate regret. Horrible decision. Anyway. Yeah. Marvel. We have some new inside jokes from our experience there, so that's nice. That's just a fun thing for us, for the two of us to know, you know? Aren't they all, John? I think we can share that with the bad babies. John Favreau got up there, and he was like, this is something of a personal project. He said, this is something of a personal project. Talking about Oswald, right? Yeah. Or maybe the lion thing, one of the things he was talking about. Yeah. And Mallory was like, aren't they all, John? And he was just hanging with me. Very funny. Very funny, but also maybe you had to be there and, like, beleaguered from the whole experience, like, beaten down by the whole experience, which we kind of were. Referenced it on the way to the parking garage later, and you were like, are you laughing at your own joke? Someone has to. Exactly. Someone has to. She was just muttering, aren't they all, John, to herself, and laughing. All right. Great stuff. Okay, so Marvel. Yeah. X-Men casting news, some of which was known, some of which was new in real time, and not all of which is out after. Just D23. More to come, presumably. Right. Take us through what we got on the D23 stage. Well, I will just say this was, like, a bizarre, I've heard from a ton of people across disciplines that this was, like, a bizarrely sort of muted announcement after so much anticipation, at least in our camp, about sort of this announcement. I would, dare I say, it was the main reason why we were there. Oh, no, there's no question. So the fact that it did not really play in the room, and then also I heard it didn't really play backstage, and also I heard it didn't really play remotely, so I'm just, you know. Yes, interesting. It just wasn't really, like, the smash aura. It was very muted in the room. And again, I had never been to D23, so I was like, okay, people in the room seem genuinely way more hyped for, like, Camp Rock. Camp Rock 3. A thing you had to explain to me that I did not know what that was. They lost their minds for Camp Rock 3, and they're like, X-Men, never heard of them. Yes. Anyway, okay. And some of it maybe was, like, the pace of kind of rushing through the X-Men. Yeah, so Feige had, like, Feige had, like, a very brief time on the stage. Yes. And he had to sort of, like, bam, bam, bam his way through some things. So, X-Men casting. So, 2028 for Marvel is X-Men in May, Ghost Rider in July, and Black Panther 3 in December. Right. Three Marvel movies, which used to be the norm, but it now seems extraordinary, in 2028. So, here's the casting. Sadie Sink as Jean Grey, we already knew. That's right. Kate Connors as Scott Summers had been announced. Thrilling. Chris Abbott as Professor Edge. X had been, his name had been tossed around, but this was sort of, like, a big, a big deal. Yes. And a big shocker for a lot of people. Samara Weaving as Emma Frost had been announced. Indy Never Ready as Rogue. A lot of people thought she might be playing Mystique. That's right. But she was announced as Rogue. Maya Boyd was like a very last minute announcement as Storm. And then Adam Driver, who I have been like, he's definitely not doing X-Men, but he definitely is doing X-Men. I was very wrong. Did this bizarre remote video. The idea for the video is really cute. He's like, oh, you guys said I got hyper X-Men. So here I am on set. I'm here on set. That was very cute. But then he was like, and the crowd was cheering. So it was like hard to hear everything or maybe I'm old. And then he was like, I'm playing Magneto. And the crowd was like, oh, my God. And he's like, no, no, just kidding. I'm playing Nathaniel Mulberry, right? And like it was so because like a lot of people didn't even hear that part because they just reacted to Magneto and didn't hear that part. Also, a lot of people don't know who Nathaniel Mulberry is, which is like a more. He definitely could have just said Mr. Sinister. Which is like a more obscure alter ego for Mr. Sinister. So it was just like a really bizarre like sort of like what what's happening? Yes. So that's. But I'm excited for this. Yes. I should say after all of that, I think this is a great cast. I think the rumors that Charles Melton may have turned down Beast or is at least like devastating, making them pay and they haven't negotiated yet or something like that. But like, you know, Feige said we have we haven't cast everyone. So like death, probably it's Beast. That we're waiting for perhaps a mystique, perhaps a Magneto, or maybe they're not doing Magneto in the first movie. Are we not going to get Magneto and Wolverine in the first film? I don't know. Well, Wolverine, I can understand why we wouldn't. Right. But like. Interesting. Would it be interesting to maybe not do a Magneto to sort of like because the Xavier Magneto dynamic, which has been so central for both generations of film casts that we've seen. Yeah. Maybe they're like, we want to do something a little different. And if we clear, if we wait to introduce a Magneto. Then it's about Charles and his students. And that's a bit more, you know, focused on that dynamic. And leading with Sadie Sink as Jean Grey and Kit Conner as Scott of Cyclops. Mr. Sinister with those two characters. That really makes sense. It's like a focus of this initial film. I agree with you. I think there are two distinct buckets. There's how did the announcement play in the anticlimactic kind of like, oh, we're done. That's oh, wait, was he? Is he? Oh, so he's not Magneto. It was all very weird. And then there's the actual excitement around. The cast, which I think is great. And those those are like distinct reactions. We are in terms of the time because the whole we were there with the Midnight Boys PPO. They talked about this on their pod. I think all of us were like, boy, this just would have like landed more if we had gotten to hear this news at Hall H at Comic-Con. But obviously, definitionally, sequencing wise, that couldn't happen because Spider-Man Brand New Day wasn't out yet. It's not just that they hadn't signed the contracts. So like this was the moment to do it. Alas, we had to make room for all of the other. Do you think they should have waited for New York Comic-Con to do it? Possibly. Yeah, possibly. But they got to I guess they got to, you know, make their own event marquee. I don't know. It feels like everybody there would have been absolutely just delighted with the bluey and Ice Age announcements and would have been fine, honestly, if they had waited. So something to think about. Yeah. We you introduced me to Heartstopper a couple of years ago. And we are I mean, our Sadie Sink enthusiasm is well established. Obviously, we are huge Kit Conner fans. So I'm I'm just thrilled about Sadie Sink and Kit Conner as as Gina Scott. I think they're just wonderful. I, like you, am a millennial. And thus, Girls is an incredibly important part of my life and viewing history. And thus, I met Andrea Reynolds yesterday. It was very important to me. Oh, wow. That's great. Incredible stuff. Jealous. Look, Chris Abbott, Charlie from Girls, being here as Professor X and Adam Driver. I mean, the fact that two of our girls centerpieces are here in this movie. Plenty of people are like, it's Kylo Ren. Not us. I mean, we're also like, it's Kylo Ren. But also the narrative is like. Like, well, this is the narrative that came up when Adam Driver was cast as Kylo Ren. But it's just sort of like all these opportunities for the guys from Girls. And where are the opportunity for the girls from Girls? Great question. Have you seen the clip circling from Girls of Marnie Allison Williams character reacting to Charlie shaving his head and her being like, so she's like, put it back. Essentially. He has a great head of hair. Oh, yeah, he does. Great curls. But yeah, just had a baby with Aubrey Plaza. Right. Just wrapped up a run on Broadway. There's a ton of Broadway. There's a ton of Broadway actors here. That's right. Maya Boyd. And this is awesome and so exciting for this performer. Maya Boyd. But like Sadie Sink and Kit Conner and Chris Abbott were all on Broadway in the last couple of years. And so this is just like very exciting for the theater kid energy here. I have not seen Obsession, but I understand that to everybody alive who has seen Obsession, the road casting is huge. I've not seen it, so I can't comment. But I know that. It's really funny because. Mickey from Obsession. It's a big deal. On the big pick. On. Sorry. I remember Watchables when we did Obsession, we were literally talking about what Indy Never Ready should do. And I said she shouldn't do this, but she wants to do it. And she wants. And like who would say no to. She's an X-Men fan. That's right. So she wants to do it. And who would say no to this paycheck at this time in her life? I was just making the argument that I. Because. Whether or not listeners of this podcast care, the best actress race is quite weak this year. And there is a possibility that she could have won with a combination of like Amy Madigan and Weapon. Weapon's energy and Mikey Madison in Anora energy. This sort of like ingenue meets this horror movie made a ton of money. I was like really pushing this narrative. I think her signing on to X-Men actually kind of nukes her chances of getting best actress this year because it signals something else that she wants to do for her career, which is great and exciting for those of us who are X-Men fans. But I was just sort of like, as she's taking her like, what's her first step after Obsession? And is it chasing? Is it chasing an Oscar that she maybe could have or could not have won? Or is it chasing this financial security and like a big franchise that she's excited to be a part of? Those are like two roads diverged and this is the one she took. And I'm excited. I think she'll be a great rogue. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think she'll be fantastic. I'm excited for you to see Obsession. I know you will eventually. I don't think so. I think you will. Not now that I've heard about the animal violence. I think I'm out. I think you can just skip that scene. I feel like it's too. Maybe. Maybe if you give me specific timestamps. But I don't. I can't. I can't skip parts of movies that I watch. It's just not constitutionally something I'm capable of. Can we just like put a hand in front of your face? Maybe. Maybe. We'll consider it. Okay. The Doomsday trailer. We already covered this on our Comic-Con pod. If you want to hear our thoughts on that trailer, check out that pod. It was the same trailer we had already seen at Comic-Con. Now it's out in the wider world so everyone can share it. Chris Evans, Robert Downey Jr. and Hayley Atwell were on stage. Have you heard of them, lads? They let Chris talk this time. They sure did. They sure did. He got to say like one whole sentence this time. But another great knit polo. Oh, my God. They got incredible stuff. The knit polo era is just a real thrill. I love it. Vision Quest trailer, that was a highlight. This was my number one moment of the D23 experience. I thought this was incredible. We're about to talk for a very long time about how handsome you find Kyle Chandler. And Kyle Chandler is undoubtedly handsome and charming and all the things you want him to be in Lanterns. Like without question. Yes. But he is like, you know, fastball down the middle, you're tired. Yeah, yeah. Paul Bettany in Vision Quest, that's for me. Great. That's three-piece suit Paul Bettany in a mind palace. Wonderful. That's for me. This is incredible. I am so excited for this. October 14th is when this comes out. We got Jarvis is here. That's right. We've got, you know, all the AIs that have existed in the MCU in this sort of stark verse are here with human appearance inside of this mind palace that Vision has built. They're also theater guys who I'm really, really excited to see. They're in The Play That Goes Wrong from Mischief Theater, which my nephew Julian is obsessed with. So I'm really, really excited to see them here. Julian, he's really cool. He is really cool. They're both super cool. Haven't you heard how cool they are? I have, actually. They are cool kids. And Emily Hampshire as Edith. I think we get a shot of her with, like, fun goggles on her head. And we get Friday recast, but Orla Brady is playing Friday with this, like, id, ego, super ego book. There's just all these, like, fun visual things, like the milk in the refrigerator is, like, infinitary. Or, like, the popcorn that he's eating in the movie theater where he's watching footage from WandaVision and from Age of Ultron says, like, popped memories. You know, it's just going to be, like, a really fun, like WandaVision, like Agatha all along, just, like, really fun to just see. Just sort of spot the little, cute little clues as we try. I mean, that's why, part of why we loved WandaVision and Agatha all along is it's, like, they were an incredible cast, really well executed. And then also it was a puzzle for us to try to figure out. Yes. And for the characters to figure out what was going on at the same time. And that just, like, scratches something in my brain that's really, really exciting. So I am just, like, I've watched this trailer 20 times. I'm so excited for this show. And, you know. Like, the wrapping up of the trilogy. And we have Tommy's here. That's right. So he's very prominently featured in this. Yeah. yeah like first you see him on a monitor you're like is that gonna be it no he's all over this trailer um i'm working on how to pronounce this young actor's name i've been told it's it's like rory but like with a pause in the middle so it's like rory kind of okay he's scottish i don't know if you've seen it spelled out it it is difficult yeah to read for american eyeballs but i believe it's something like rory and i've heard he's really really really really good in this so i'm just like nice excited i don't know if we're gonna get joe lock uh at some point surely at some point in some capacity has to be there um as billy and like there is a woman in the trailer who i don't think elizabeth olsen is in this but like there is a woman in the trailer who looks like wanda so if that's another character fucking with him and like dressed up like wanda and inside of his mind or something like that it's possibility uh and then the whole premise of like looking back on your life what's interesting is you know i don't know if you saw the the movie eternity with lizzie olsen and miles teller and callum turner that came out last year but it's sort of about like a woman choosing in her afterlife of sort of like whether to go with her husband or this uh her first husband or her second husband and spend eternity with them and there's this like museum of memory sequence and it's very similar to this so i just thought it was like really interesting to have this like lizzie thinking about lizzie olsen in that movie when i was like looking at him like walking down the the movie theater uh you know hallway and there's like these giant movie posters that have to do with things that happen in his life and stuff like that anyway point being vision quest right i'm so excited can't wait to rewatch wandavision it's been as we confronted the other day more than half a decade yeah which is fucking nuts i'm about to have my fifth year anniversary here that's right at the ringer and it came out before that right we didn't pot about it together so we have a plan to do a wandavision rewatch episode which we're really really excited about that's you can't fucking wait star wars star wars we got to see a trailer for ahsoka season two uh thought the overall trailer vibe was exciting and interesting they've not improved the look of throne i thought they moved it slightly i actually thought it looked worse okay but we only got to see he's like a paler blue yes he looked chalkier and i don't he did but it looked the paint looked less wet like he looked so yeah moist as thrawn in season one that's true i was just excited to see my babe maybe like that's you literally 10 seconds before she appeared turned to me and steve and you're like remember i was like remember and then she showed up uh great stuff but the thing is like you said earlier we went for the x-men casting everyone's buzzing about the x-men casting that was not the hammer of the night starfighter was right we built toward the trailer which gotta say it lamentably they only played once we were both like and here they go they're about to play it again and then they didn't i started i tried to start a chant that was like play it again and maybe maybe if we had been part of the wave that they did earlier the crowd would have felt the need to like go with me but uh we were not team players so they were not team players for me what'd you think of the starfighter trailer we got our first glimpse okay i thought it looked great same honestly i thought i did um i was talking to someone yesterday i was like i have doubts about sean levy and they're like is that because he's never made a good movie and i was like yeah to me my tastes yeah but how dare you sorry but but kate oberon is like an incredible name for a character i actually thought the footage looks great uh his jacket sick jacket looks i mean ryan gosling's gotta have a cool jacket uh in most of his movies that's right you know so uh he's he's getting his ghostwriter on a little early mia goth matt smith aaron pierre who we are freshly uh interested in so our guy daniel yeah looks great i thought the trailer looked awesome very fun looks like it's gonna have like a real kind of hip edgy energy we didn't see much about the plot no mostly about the vehicle mostly about the fastest starfighter mostly about the known to man the titular vehicle the galaxy and guess what that was enough for a first glimpse the jacket the like water vapor imagery we thought like looked really cool yeah i'm hyped i'm excited for the trailer to be released hopefully uh soon maybe that'll be around new york comic-con yeah who the fuck knows and then we can pour it pour over it uh in more detail yeah kate oberon is a sick name that's a good kate oberon any other highlights let's let's actually talk about pixar for a second yeah for a couple reasons one we had a great time with the pixar presentation i thought good job peter genuinely easily i thought the pixar stretch was the highlight of of of the night uh everything that pixar showed us looked great gato just looks this is about monster cat gato was the last thing they showed and they showed a number of things and every single time something new came up i was like i was like gato is it gato time uh gato looks amazing you have decided that our new mantra will be get to gato get to gato when we have a tough day yeah and i'm like i can't do it anymore man you got to get to gato you're gonna text me get to gato got to get to gato it's march 2027 you have to survive long enough to see gato that's i can do that march 2027 i can't make promises beyond uh coco too yes oh my god i'm lost my mind just the glimpse we didn't see like footage but some images and stuff concept art concept art he's miguel is older instant distressing we learned something yeah during the coco to glimpse and it is that our beloved colleague friend oh yeah creative soulmate most important news out of van uh out of d23 the van has not seen coco and i just think there are a few certain things in life but van loving coco is one of them van will should we do a special dia de los muertos episode where we put it on the coco with van can someone just send van a calendar invite for that right now don't tell him what it's about yeah we'll just watch coco event we'll watch it here and then we'll record immediately after as the tears are still streaming down his face uh mama coco uh was featured in the concept art benjamin brett looking very handsome came out to talk about how his character and nester i thought it was going to be a lot of fun but i'm not sure if it's going to be a guy l but benjamin brett uh also a great second option here uh ernesto de la cruz uh very excited november 2029 coco 2 incredibles 3 thrilling those movies are great a new mysterious those children have not aged unlike miguel those children are the same age no uh but yeah that's exciting ghost market ghost market looked great just absolutely delightful so the pixar stuff looks great that's exciting anything else from all of the other stuff we saw percy season three oswald tangled bluey ice age camp rock three anything at all greatest showman live any other highlights shout out the uh what is it like this the stage managers from greatest showman who we ran into in the elevator yeah um the aerial work was very cool in the presentation very very cool um tangled i will say katherine han got a huge reaction at the honda center she's a legend the entire arena just lost their marbles for katherine han because they showed very little footage it was like the the actors who play uh flynn ryder and um i don't remember what tangled herself's name is i mean is it rapunzel or is it something more fun than that anyway flynn ryder and tangled herself let's look it up let's see tangled 2010 were um like did a little fun oh yeah it's just rapunzel great i just didn't know if it was like something more oddball than that um did like a fun thing from the set uh but in terms of footage it was just like sort of uh katherine han's hand sort of creepily around a doorway and then you know she came out to talk about how she's playing uh mother goth so that it that was the katherine han of it all was very excited and i think tangled live action could be fun and interesting how they're gonna do that hair i'm i'm interested to find out what a wig watch that's gonna be i mean her it looked incredible in in the like you know the video that they showed of the two of them her wig looked incredible and i think tangled live action could be incredible but it's gonna be it's prehensile that's gonna be a lot of cg work on that on that how much actual physical hair is on the wig versus what's added via cgi like do you know a ton because we saw it yeah i don't think they added cga added her hair to that like travel thing that they did no so do you have to train like an f1 driver in terms of building up neck strength if you're carrying that much hair yeah let's get landon rs to comment on tangled i think a lot of it is like draped around her like a boa sort of thing you know what i mean so i think it's sort of like interesting draped and then that way you can distribute the weight it's not just all right on the neck okay oh tune in for more wig watch tm commentary with joanna robinson tm anything else you want to shout out i thought that oswald you know we really roasted sean when he took that in the final round i'm still happy to roast him the hype draft and it was a strange pick i think based on where we were in the well it was the wrong year he really wild wooded it you know it's a proud tradition in the hype yeah exactly uh the the little glimpse that we saw of oswald let me tell you something precious very charming it's absolutely precious have you given away your commemorative trading card yet to another person as you vowed to or have you kept it i have not found a stranger on the street who wants them but if you want my oh yeah yeah that's all day easy great i don't intend to give him mine i will use it as a lure to make sure he shows up for the oppenheimer pod oh look at you excellent strategy fantastic all right we we did it d23 news we were there next year we'll be potting that news remotely thank you for disney for having us thank you to disney for having us we really appreciate this great experience that experience now we know should we talk about lanterns yes opening snapshot oh wait and really quickly shout out to caitlin who was working the event who we met yeah shout out lovely listener bad baby yeah when you shop kroger delivery you can expect the savings you love and fresh groceries delivered right to your door our refrigerated trucks keep your items fresh while our associates are committed to getting every detail right carefully selecting and packing your order with care because bringing you fresh quality groceries is what we do best and right now enjoy 20 off your first online order of 75 or more restrictions apply c-site for details kroger fresh for everyone wonderful stuff lanterns okay episode one pilot directed by james hawes written by chris mundy showrunner co-creator damon lindelof friend of the pod co-creator and tom king co-creator so the three co-creators of the show wrote this premiere wonderful stuff this is a 57 minute episode so nearly a full hour meaty before we get into the episode itself some some table setting here what what is your relationship to just green lantern as a fictional universe as a character set anything not very profound you know i've read some comics and i know the lore you know the basics of the lore um i've definitely seen the terrible movie that movie is quite poor quite bad yeah and that's pretty much it you know i've been guy gardner uh you know as played by nathan phillian i'm aware of but you know that's about it yeah talk about a wig watch my goodness similar spot for me uh you know not you know i've been the the comic book character set superhero yeah uh set that i have the deepest history with her connection to but that's actually part of what's exciting about the show i think like it's not only an excuse certainly watching this episode i became really excited to dive further into the comics and familiarize myself a little more deeply with the inspiration yeah but it's also like right away it feels like this show can be a seminal experience for us with lanterns which is exciting and i'm there's a lot of exposition in this episode but it's done fairly deftly i thought yes for sure uh guy gardner's hair also quite important to me in the superman film and guy gardner's comic excellence of the superman film just something that i never like to miss an opportunity to talk about you know that i thought that was great uh i think that the 2011 green lantern film is one of the worst superhero movies ever made that's an opinion shared by many not a controversial did you re-watch it i did yeah i thought you would lamentably i did you know what i knew you would i did gotta say uh you're you're very thorough you take your job very seriously and i was like mallory's gonna put herself through that for some reason it was kind of shocking to revisit it actually uh this is really an experience what was it like to bask in in the love the origin of the love story of blake lively and ryan reynolds yep it was there okay what a what a what a movie to fall in love while making just two people who were in existing relationships all right mark strong's sinestro remember that i do i do something really something oh mark parallax shout out shout out parallax okay initial reception for lanterns yeah it's positive very strong response so far from critics and fans alike we are recording this first thing monday morning so the viewership numbers from hbo are not out yet we don't know like how many people watched hopefully we'll find out i wouldn't be surprised if this is a little bit of a slow build yeah that would be my expectation as well maybe start small and then we'll see how it goes we build if the the hype continues to be strong and the buzz is good similar to night of the seven kingdoms which had like a fairly healthy debut but i think those strong word of mouth really grew that's right the viewership for that show we got to get poop robin out there chirping about lanterns you know uh 90 and 91 on the deeply flawed rotten tomatoes uh more importantly everybody at the ringer seems hyped so that's really fun it's like the ringer the ringer verse the ringer crew is excited about lanterns that's thrilling joanna robinson i actually don't know what you thought of lanterns i know you've been you know what i thought about it but yeah you have been keeping it i have been skeptic deeply skeptical of this show you have been yes championing the show yeah and i have been a little rain cloud uh this entire time what'd you think i enjoyed it oh yay great i i've seen episode one and i quite enjoyed it um yeah i would say uh b plus a minus is is where i would put it but like in a way where i'm excited i'm not like oh it's all downhill from here i'm excited to see where it goes the you know what you told me when you saw episode one which you did before me was you know kyle chandler that was basically the review and then and then later other things but like mostly kyle chandler and i was like sure but how much can one man do in 57 minutes and it turns out plenty everything and like i had a great time at the at the comic-con panel i thought it was all the footage they showed and most of that footage was in this episode so like i had frankly yeah seen a lot of this episode already because i was at that panel but um but kyle chandler's charm and charisma is astonishing that's the superpower of the show and then aaron pierre who's someone i was just not very familiar with and i was i was really i wasn't worried about him as a performer because i had no context so it wasn't like i was like oh this guy isn't very good because i hadn't you know i had no opinion on that way or one way or another but i was quite worried about the character archetype that i thought they were setting up because um you and i've seen so many shows recently and in on our patch that have really leaned into this sort of like stoic character uh we talked about it a lot with ahsoka we talked about a lot with the mandalorian when you had like bokatan and mando sort of like stoic off you know what i mean and and we saw it with with the last of us and sometimes it's great but a lot of times it's not and this is i just want this to go out in a textbook for all tv creators as like the best way to give us a stoic character because i would still call this character a stoic character but there is like enough charm and warmth and like humanity yeah inside of aaron pierre's performance here that it doesn't feel like you know stiff you know like a total stiff up against this like bouncing charismatic figure you know what i mean he's he's in his own right i am deeply invested in him so if we wind up spending more time in the 2026 timeline right work as far as we know kyle chandler is a corpse that's right i'm not like a post i'm like i'm still interested oh yeah for sure you know and so that was something i was quite worried about but i thought they really like he was really great in this in this episode yeah they're both fantastic individually and they are just i i think electric together the dynamic between john and hal which the entire premiere and it seems the premise of the show show series uh hinges on really working for me i thought this premiere was was really great i'm i'm very excited to uh talk about it and to to cover the show i um i i love kyle chandler listeners of this podcast know that he is a formative central presence in my life yeah uh you love i don't know kyle chandler you love early edition but can we say that you got to meet kyle chandler i did i which you did yeah i'm i had the genuine pleasure of moderating the uh pre-season panel press conference for lanterns a couple days ago and i'm like i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do this a couple days ago and uh you know you get to meet everyone before and it was obviously like helpful to know damon takes a little bit of the the nervous edge off kyle chandler was there first so i got to meet him first and as our lovely you know the the moderator team was the panel team was bringing me over he just like points csb come and goes moderator moderator that's great and i texted you after got to shake kyle chandler's hand pretty proud of myself that i didn't faint and i didn't so that was great i am proud of you panel was wonderful delightful to meet tom king that was really fun it was great um so i love this premiere i think that kyle chandler is genuinely wonderful as how jordan like it's a are you born he's he's coach taylor he's always been coach taylor to me but it's like are you were you born to play how jordan at this stage in how jordan's life he's coached me for a long time i've been coached for a long time i've been but with like a couple added flavors into the kool-aid and it's it's pretty fantastic and i mean like i will say this to be clear like am i you know if we spend time in 2026 uh in other episodes in the season am i interested yes am i interested in like an entire like a season two where he's not in it i would be a little worried about that but they set up in this you know given that we are like we are in 96 2000s we have we have a context for 2006 we're in 2016 2026 and also So in the 96 broadcast, which is where we start, there's the 10 years ago. So 1986. So there's 86, 96, 2006, 2016, 2026. So a lot of opportunity for Flashback Hal and the hologram. The hologram was incredible. The hologram is just like a perfect opportunity for like if Hal is really dead and we can talk about all the theories that are cooking around that at the end. But like if he is dead and he stays dead, they have set it up that they can still have Kyle Chandler with less gray in his hair for the rest of the run. Perish the thought. The pepper in the hair, the salt in the hair is part of the charm. I agree. No, I think it looks great. But I was like, why did Kyle let them like make him so gray? And it was so that like he could show up with less gray in his hair and you could see that it was 10 years previous. Wonderful stuff. The wisecracking, the smartass, but also in the primary. Timeline of 2016. The kind of jaded, increasingly cynical. I loved those quick glimpses of Hal across time that we got to see very quickly inside of this one episode how something clearly had changed for him. The evolution in his demeanor and disposition. This was my first experience with Aaron Pierre and I thought he was wonderful. Like really, really captivating and great as Jon Stewart. Obviously a character who means so much to so many people. One of the first black superheroes in DC Comics. Listening to Aaron Pierre talk about what that means to him has been like. Really moving and beautiful. He is just like so thoughtful about the role and the character. That's been great. The are you afraid question. This was like very centrally present in the trailers and the marketing for the season. Obviously this is this is Lantern's canon. This is a core part of Green Lantern, of the Green Lantern story in question. But the fact, so of course it's here. It's like the perfect thing to mine inside of a prestige TV HBO version of a Lantern's adaptation. I have such as. I see take on this. I actually don't know if it's. No, I'm not. I mean, I'm not anti. I just have a potentially. I'm excited to get to it. Peppery take. OK, well, this is a salt and pepper podcast because of the how Jordan here. So great. Fantastic. I think also this question with that how John trainee dynamic of which path to the ring is like more valid. Which path is worthier being chosen or having to work for it, having to earn it. That that challenge that John issues. To how on this episode, like shit, maybe you should have was is so good and so interesting. It's interesting because you you identified that to me early when you had seen the episode as like sort of a central premise of the show, which I thought I thought was really compelling. But we're so interesting inside of this episode and we can talk about it a little bit more. I don't know if it's my like. And like. Gen X cusp, like distrust of authority. Sure. But I'm like, maybe I do trust a magical ring. More than the Guardians. You know, an organization where. I don't quite know their intentions in terms of why they're putting John there and stuff like that, you know, and it's like on the one hand. Absolutely. Like when you when you presented those options to me. Outside of the context of me seeing the episode, I was like, well, obviously the path where the person did the interview and did the work, you know, and then that surely is the message of the show that it's just sort of like Kyle Chandler, the charismatic white guy gets it handed to him. And then this like young black man who has worked so hard. His entire life and done everything right and had to like work ten times harder than how Jordan ever had to. Surely the message is like, that's the more merit based path to a Green Lantern hood. Right. But I was just like, I don't trust these. They're not people. I don't trust these folks. You know, I'm just sort of like. But at the same time, is this magical artifact? I don't know if that's what we want to call it. This magical piece of jewelry. Like how. Oh, how trustworthy is that? Is it as trustworthy as a sword in the stone? It picked Guy Gardner. That guy kind of sucks. So I don't know. You know, like. I think a complicated. Silver wing picked Ulf. I don't know. These things are mysterious sometimes. Yes. And I think that I think that the the initial presentation of this clash inside of the Hal-John relationship is a scintillating start. Yeah. My expectation would be that there is a complexity to what we will explore from there that will be very interesting to track. And then, you know, I think the last. Kind of big picture item is just Rushville, Nebraska, the setting because lanterns is inherently the Green Lantern comic book universe is inherently cosmic, galactic, vast, sprawling. It's the Green Lantern core, right? There are lanterns in all of the sectors across the galaxy. So all different colors. Yes. The idea of rooting us in this very specific, dusty, small town at a high. School football game. You know. Nebraska forever. People have been talking about and describing this in part because of Chris Mundy's, you know, involvement as a showrunner, right? Ozark, True Detective, et cetera, as like Lanterns does True Detectives. There's a very grounded, earthbound element to this sprawling, galactic story. And I think in the premiere, at least, that balance felt to me. Pretty compelling, like, like putting the mystery, giving us the mystery and having these moments where we already get a sense that Hal's origin with the ring connects to this place. John is really pressing him like, fuck, Hale, it even sounds like aliens. You know, what happened here? The ship crashing. Do you agree that Hale sounds like aliens? Actually, I was like, wait, Hale, oh, Hale, Hale. Okay, I got it. Take me a minute. Aliens? I guess so. Well, from the show that brought us Hologram, you know, aliens. Hologram's good. Yeah. The initial. The glimpses of, in the 60 Minutes newsreel footage, the suit. And then, you know, in this episode, a little initial flash, like the first time that, you know, John reaches to use the ring. We just get, we get the green as the car is crashing. Hale, the construct of the counterfeit money to fire up the jukebox. The, I thought, instantly iconic bottle cap opener and wink to Sheriff Gary. It worked on me. Of course it did. Sheriff Gary made a stronger stuff. It worked on me, folks. And just the first time we see Hale, like, pop off into flight, the incorporation of those comic book superhero elements felt flawlessly entwined in this Nebraska setting to me. And I think that could have gone wrong. So far, it doesn't feel like it has. Yeah. Do you think this season ends with John putting the suit on? Do you think that, like, has to happen, the finale of this season? Well, I think, like, you're. What you've already kind of pinged about, because this premiere ends with the 2026 twist of discovering Hale's body and giving us, you know, the clarity that we have at least in that one closing scene moved into the now, what is the present timeline of the rest of the DCU. The possibility that we spend more time there, of course, you know, not to jump ahead to the end of the pod, but John picks up, like, Hale's hand, dusts off the snow. No ring. No ring on. Hale's hand and no ring on John's. Correct. So somebody has taken that ring. Where is it? Who has it? Does that mean that John didn't get it in the. Does that mean. I mean. Ten years in between. Does that mean it's not. I think he'll have the suit at some point. How? No, I'm just curious because, I mean, that's that's sort of the, like, MCU model we had been seeing, you know what I mean? Like, Wanda suits up and then, like, Wiccan suits up, you know, like that sort of, like, finale moment. So is that something. Is that something that this show will want to do? Of course, logistically, I have a ton of questions. I mean, inside of this episode, they're like, there can only be one Earthbound Green Lantern at a time. And we know Guy Gardner exists. So that complicates a lot of things for us in the 2026. You know, have the rules changed by the time we get to 2026 or like, you know, or what's going on? Did the ring choose Guy Gardner instead? Is that what happened? My God. You know, so a lot of questions. But I could just see that being like. A big finale moment. I'm just I'm just asking questions. That would be entirely plausible. Yeah. Entirely plausible. Should we get to the episode breakdown? Let's do it. OK, we start in 1996. We start in the past with young John, his brothers, his dad and 60 Minutes and crucially a red apple. And a red apple. Journalism and a red apple. Oh, man. How do you feel? How do you feel? Team Red being associated with, frankly. Irresponsible parenting. I'm just going to say it's a brave take. Brave take. Bold take. Shooting apples off your kid's head is not something that you endorse. Is that not how your parents marked your height as you were growing up? Was it near masking tape on the door jam? You know, my parents never did the leg. Now you're this tall thing on a door frame or anywhere. They didn't care how tall I was. I always thought that was fun when we went to like other people's houses. They were just like, now you need another parent. You grew your sneakers again. You grew again. All right. So we're in the past. Young John and his brothers are watching this 60 Minutes clip where Hal is revealing his identity. As you've noted, we hear in this clip, okay, well, before, you know, he's been around 10 years. So he's been Green Lantern. Since 86. But he's about to say his name. Yeah. And there's this notable distinction right away where John's two brothers are very anxious that dad is going to come home. Would you say they're afraid and he's not afraid? I would say that. But that seems like a notably intentionally conveyed contrast. You know what else is up? a great cover for digitally de-aging someone, 90s tube TV. Yeah. It still was a little like, that's a de-aged face. For sure. But the grainy, grainy, you know, tube TV really covered some. No question. And he is, Hal is in the suit. And he looked hot. He used to wear it a lot more. That's right. I loved that conversation of the taco stand about the suit. Notably, he's also more earnest. He's more measured. He's less jaded. He's less of a smart ass. Now, this is a television interview, but he's very much like, this is my responsibility and I'm here to tell you about it. It's a different tone and thus a nice setup for how things have changed for Hal as we move across time. We get some of the bio deets in this 60 Minutes clip that are familiar from the canon. His father was killed in a crash test flight pilot. Hal was eight. Hal becomes a test flight pilot as well, becomes an Air Force pilot, and then the ring shows him. How are you chosen? Is there a test? It's only one question. Are you afraid? And you said, no, I did. Big question. Do you believe him? That he said, I am not afraid or that he was not actually afraid. I believe that he said it because I believe that Hal Jordan is defined by his bravado and also is a character who doesn't always tell himself the truth about how he feels. The ring's ability to parse the truth beneath the lie is interesting, but of course, this is also one of the interesting things about Green Lantern canon, the idea of fear and will as these opposing forces and the lanterns channeling will, manifesting will. You know, the way that, and we get, we get, are you afraid? No, sir. We get young John asked this question too when his father comes home and takes him out to shoot apples off his head. And we see all the, we see all the holes in the garage behind him. So it's very clear right away, like this is the routine. This is the normal thing. He's been training him to become a man. He's been training him to become a lantern, which is like very interesting and odd. I just, I just, my TV watching hackles go up when, yes, I know that this is like comic book canon, but if we just hear it from one character and a character who later has proven himself, you know, we hear other versions of more information about this story from Hal in the bar. And again, just like it pretty intense, but like, I don't, I don't fully think there's something untrue about this origin story. I'm fucking terrified. And the green bubble yanked him anyway. I don't know, but I'm just saying, I'm just, I'm just not taking this at face value for sure. I think that whether the reaction in real time to waking up hung over in the green bubble and getting asked that question and answering whatever he answered in real time is different from the, uh, the fable or truth that he, uh, recounts, however apocryphal that, that bit of, of myth-making might be. I think, the, as this episode, you know, really, I think does a nice job right away of you through something like, um, Sheriff Carey's moment with John as they're watching Hal interrogate Waylon. Great scene. He's not fucking fearless. He's lonely. The truth. And so this is my, yeah, this is my pepper take, which is like, so the Green Lantern, and I don't, I genuinely don't know. And you, you've, you've spent more time thinking about this and actually interacting with people who've grasped with this than I do. But I'm curious if this sort of emotional absolutism of like, you have to be wholly unafraid, uh, will, will versus fear. Yeah. Is, is that the message of this story that that is, that is the way to be? Because I would be shocked. I think it'll be the opposite. So, so, so this is, this is what I'm saying is like, it's, it's just a really ringing, Jedi bells for me. Right. Where it's just sort of like the Jedi council is like, here's the inhuman absolutist way for you to be a Jedi. And it is an unreasonable expectation for someone. And like, do I believe that like fear, you know, something that, that, uh, is really interesting is in the opening, um, like the, it's not credits. It's like the logo of the show. Yeah. We start with the yellow light, which is the fear light, uh, inside of, of, I don't, I know, you know, I'm just saying in case someone listening doesn't know, but like is the fear light inside of, so like, obviously the yellow light, the fear light is, is present inside of the story. We know Sinestro is like in this, uh, show, like all of, all of that is, is obviously part of it, but I just don't know, you know, and, and to your point, what, what Kelly McDonald's character says about fear, but I just, you know, Damon Lindelof is working on the show. Yeah, exactly. Uh, I don't know how much of his interest, you know, when he talked to us about his Star Wars project and the fact that his interest in interrogating the Jedi council and their ideas of emotional absolutism is something that was already on his mind. So like, how much is that being ported over into this world where in the canon of, of lanterns, these various lights represent these good and bad emotions. And it is quite a binary kind of world. I just think it's it, you know, and John has been trained his whole life. Yeah. To say he's not afraid. Right. And how obviously, you know, I think what Kelly McDonald's character says about, um, I just think Carrie's, Sheriff Carrie is like a really kind of dumb name. I don't know why. It's like hard, hard for me to say, keep saying Kelly McDonald's character. But anyway, um, you know, what she's saying about fear, fear means you have attachments. Yeah. Very Jedi. And, and isn't that the better way, the better, more rounded person to be? I, I don't think this is a peppery take. I would be shocked if the series was not interested in exploring the nuance of what drives people to say, I'm not afraid, or to try to talk themselves into that being a way that they need to live their lives and whether that is appropriate or even possible or good. I feel like that's part of the appeal of making, uh, a television show version of this where you get to really like live in those character arcs. I think even the complete shit show of the 2011 movie, which is bad, as we already said, but also I would say not nimble in terms of like, what's it really like to be a person? Right. Um, and also not nimble in terms of not showing us, uh, repeating footage from the first five minutes of the movie five minutes after, which is just one of the weirder things. But like, even in that movie, yeah, Hal has his big, I'm terrified moment. Like, I think that's part of the, that's part of the, the, the, the world too. But I think the core framing to your point, undeniably is more, I like the Jedi comp a lot in terms of like the, the, um, structure of the world. Yeah. I think that it is the, the need to answer the test. Are you afraid by saying no, it's much more like dune coded fears, the mind killer then thrones. How can a man be brave if he is afraid that is the only time a man can be brave, which is obviously I think the world we, we, we love both those stories, but that's maybe the thing that feels more like emotionally true. Um, I, what you already said though, like, I, I don't know. I just, to me, like a Damon, a show that Damon Lindelof is involved with in any way is gonna be interested in exploring the insecurities and terror of our humanity born out of our trauma and our loss and our pain and our, our fear, fear will be the driver. So I agree with you. I just think, I guess, I guess I've just been seeing a lot of, um, takes from people who love the comics of this like fear versus will binary. And of course that's been like consistently yellow versus green light, sort of like binary idea. And I just am excited for the possibility of this show to give us something much, uh, muddier in the color palette. You know what I mean? At the end of the day, that is my hope as well. Yeah. Um, you noted just in general earlier, the idea of like flashbacks and how, how flashbacks plus the hologram, et cetera, could keep Hal on the show. Obviously the fact that the show opens with young John promises John flashbacks as well. So it feels like we'll be moving throughout time with all the characters, which is exciting. And that of course, uh, to, to the true detective point, you know, uh, that true detective comp had been thrown around since the very beginning, as you mentioned, and in terms of what they were hoping to deliver with this show. And I was curious what elements other than like, you know, two, uh, you know, investigators who have different differing personalities and are, you know, exploring a murder in a sort of small town setting or something like that. But I think the, the time jumps or, or the, the, the parallel timelines. And again, I don't know how often we'll be in 2026, but this idea of like parallel murder cases inside of, you know, like Hal's death in 2026 and whatever's going around happening in 2016, that's the rest cold time is a flat circle. Like, you know, this, this is like, let's reopen that case in order to understand what's happening with this case. That is, that is what's going on. And then of course the like Macon family, uh, we've got our fingers in all of the, uh, levels of authority in this town, sort of vast conspiracy that of course is also like a classic true detective stuff. But I was just like quite pleased that like the true detective element was, um, the roots were sunk a bit deeper. - Yeah. - Than I was worried they would be. - I was trying because the promotion Premiere, you know, we got, unsurprisingly, a this season on. They've released three or four trailers for the show already. But the this season on after the premiere always has new stuff in it. And because this episode ends with, in 2026, John has the goatee. Oh, you were, like, marking how much. And he had a, I will say, he had a goatee in more shots maybe than had been in. Other trailers? Other trailers. So I was like, oh, does that indicate that we're going to spend more time in 2026? But I don't know. I know the Guy Gardner footage, he's talking to goatee John. Yeah. So whatever Nathan Fillion's role in this seems to be in the 2026 timeline. Now, maybe John will grow a goatee earlier. It's possible. But maybe they've done markers to help us. Done a time marker. Yeah. And we appreciate it. So, 2016. Hal and John go for a drive and Hal picks up John in front of one of our offices. This was just fucking wild. So weird. Good. So, Hal speeding up to pick up John. He's late. He's about to joke and button push about being late. And I was just like, pause. Is that Girl and the Goat? That is Girl and the Goat. Is that the LA Mateo Complex? Is that the Spotify downtown office? What? Do you know how often I've seen people filming around there? I know. And I've, like, never seen, you know, it show up in something I was watching. Well, I was playing back in my mind some of the days where I was, like, just desperately trying to get there on time for a recording, a meeting. And I'm like, oh, I got to go. Oh, no. One, one. They're filming once again. What if Kyle Chandler had just been right there? Well, don't worry. God damn it. Don't worry. You can tell past you that future you was going to meet him anyway, one way or another. True. We get this just instant feel for the Hal-John vibe and dynamic. Hal thinks John is square. You know, he likes to goad him. He likes to push his buttons. He likes to press. John is a rule follower who thinks Hal is a joke. We will hear him say elsewhere in the episode that he does respect him, but he's also a He's also like, I don't really have, like, time or patience for your bullshit. Like, how are you the one with the ring? We get to feel that right away. Is John annoyed that Hal's late? No, sir. Is he annoyed that Hal went off planet and ghosted him for two weeks? No, sir. Carlos, what do they say next? No, sir. How come it is every time you say, sir, it sounds more and more like, fuck you? I have no idea, sir. Just delightful. This is great. This is great. He's really good at this. Really, really good. The charm and the humor, but the tension and the conflict established right away. Joanna, we see in this scene during this car ride that John's training, or lack thereof, is something of a sore spot. It's been a couple months, but he hasn't yet learned to fly, as we will soon see with the hologram. Has not been off planet. Hasn't even worn the ring yet. Yeah. 2006 Hal is quite shocked and appalled by the state of training him. He really is. He really is. He's like, oh, you, I haven't done that yet. He's like, you're my trainee. You should know this. That was great. Don't get hung up on the jewelry, Junior. You'll wear it when it chooses you. I thought the point was that the Guardians chose me. That's all. The big blue bosses may think that you're hot shit, but you're just a substitute teacher, Junior. You're not ready to get up in front of the class until the ring says you are. How jealous are you of John that he has a nickname from Kyle Chandler? From Coach Taylor, a.k.a. Hal Jordan. Not as jealous as I am of Sheriff Carrie. Who got a beer open for her? Yeah, just like when she walks away after talking shit in the bleachers and he's like, she's something incredible, isn't she? I mean, that was real gold stuff, but, you know, pretty much jealous of everybody who gets to share a moment with Hal Jordan here. He loves Gossard Park. Just like me. So, Guardians of the Universe, Iowa-based founders of the Lantern Corps. You're on watch. You're on watch, as you've already said. You've already established that. I don't trust authority. John is like, I trust authority, and I say, John, I don't. Respects the chain of command. We hear him say that elsewhere. I don't. So, Hal is slow playing John's training. Hal, a lazy, sloppy teacher, maybe. Threatened, maybe. Definitely. I mean, definitely. Yes, probably to both of those, but certainly more the latter. He's like, you're not going to take this ring from me? And maybe something else is going on. So, it's test time, right? You want to learn? You want to be trained? Okay, I'm going to play. You pop this ring. You're on the dashboard. There's a great taco stand three miles down the road. Meet me there. And then he just opens the car door, rolls out, and the car shoots over the cliff and crashes. And then we cut to John completely fine and unharmed. We will learn later that he— The opening logo, and then John completely fine and unharmed. He made bubble wrap to save himself. Yeah, it's interesting. I think it'll be really fun to track what these guys are making with the ring, right? Yeah, definitely. For Hal. For Hal, it's counterfeit money. Yeah. Bottle opener. Wow. And a shield to protect them all from an explosion. Yes. That's right. Yeah, the bubble. The Whalen bubble. For our guy, John, it's the bubble wrap. It's the lighting of the cigarette. That was hot. You know? I think the lighting of the cigarette and the cigarette lighter and the bottle opener, pretty much like same, same, same, right? I mean, yeah. Bubble wrap and shield. Kind of same, same, but a more, like, inventive, like, because he could have just made a bubble. Right. But he made bubble wrap. Yes. Which is just sort of like, is John a more creative thinker or like, you know, or is that more pragmatic? I don't—I actually am interested to track. Counterfeit money, though. Doesn't seem great to me. Doesn't seem great to you. Manifested it with his will. Doesn't seem great. Doesn't seem great. Yeah, on the creativity front, you know, during the Whalen interrogation scene. He's drawing. He's drawing. He's sketching. So we get to see John with his sketchbook, that creative mind. We get to see when he, you know, obviously we get the great—when we meet Billy and Sheriff Carey's son, Noah. Aviator Nation sweatshirt. What a time for us. Too enthusiast. He's in weapons. And he was in—what was that? What else? Spider Noir. Yeah. Right? That came—yeah, he's just out there, thriving. Working. Loaded IMDb already. Obviously, we get the great Coach Taylor, you know, moment. There's so much Coach Taylor. There's so much Friday Night Lights. There's so much. There's so much football in this episode, but we get to, like, offense, defense, wherever they need me, sir. Good man. But then it's John who goes over to the tire and is like, just, you know, don't aim. Imagine. Imagine things. So John's imagination, creative mind is very present, which makes sense in terms of how the ring functions. Canonically, John is an architect. Yes. So to make him an artist, I think, is like a fun sort of sideways way into that. But, like, yeah, the way in which his creative mind is connected to what he— he makes manifest with the ring. Yeah. Fun to track. And I like, too, also the—certainly to how he'll use the ring, thinking about that, but also just the way that we were thinking already inside this episode about, like, how perspective is manifesting for John in multiple forms. Because when we glimpse the sketchbook, that's in the same scene where he's in the same moment where he's saying, like, we're all aliens. It's just a matter of, like, which planet we're on. So John is a character who's thinking about perspective. And also in that scene, because of the way the two-way mirror is set up, like, his reflection is laid over. Over Hal's reflection inside of that interrogation. Those were cool shots. Yeah, very cool. Very cool. John calls his dad. Sheriff Kerry was overlaid with the alien. That's right. Are you on Theory Corner? I mean, it's Secret Scroll Watch once again, is it not? Are we not back in Secret— Are we not back with the faceless men and the Secret Scrolls? Are you—are you putting your flag down right now? You think that Sheriff Kerry's an alien? I don't know. Because she's in the 2026 timeline, maybe not, but maybe even more so. Interesting. Here are some questions about the ages of the Macon family. Same. Because they're basically all the same age? Yes. Yeah. It's like House of the Dragon, you know, where— Can I give you these ages? Yeah, please. Absolutely. Okay. Garrett Dillahunt. Big Daddy Macon. Looks great. Is 61. Zoe Macon. Porn and checkin' often. 53. Looks unbelievable. Looks fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Kelly McDonnell, 50. So, supposedly, the next generation down. 50 years old. And then, baby face, Jason Ritter, 46. Yeah, I mean, he looks 23. That's insane. He's 46? He's 46. Yeah. So, like, you know, granddad and grandmom are 61 and 53. Mom and dad are 50 and 46. And then Noah is, like, a very small child. An actual child. Yeah, an actual child. Yeah. I just have some questions. Is that funky alien, you know, Secret Scroll watch stuff? Or is that just sort of like, we cast these actors because we really like them and Kelly McDonnell can pass for younger, which she can. And, you know, certainly Jason Ritter can. Or it's just Jason Ritter passing for younger and he married a slightly older woman or like, you know, something like that. I don't know. Because technically, the only age that actually really needs to make sense is William and Billy. Right. Because is Zoe supposed to be? Is Zoe supposed to be his stepmom? Right. Is that, I mean, racially, I would say yes, but it's not really overtly established in the episode. No, no. It's not. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so everyone could be an alien. I'm just asking questions. Young Noah? I mean, we hear that that kid is an all-state quarterback. That sounds like alien behavior to you? It does. Okay. It does. Okay. And we saw from, you know, Waylon was really like, I'm on football. reference. I learned what I needed to know about Nebraska. Don't you think we should be asking questions of every single person we see in this town? Absolutely. There's Hale in Rushfield. There's Hale. There is Hale. And Hale sounds like aliens. So, John, before he gets the Hale in Rushfield hologram update, he calls his dad. So, we had seen the flashback with his dad shooting the apples off his head. Here he is still, in essence, in training with his dad, even though he is, of course, actually formally training with Hal Jordan at this point. Calls him to talk through, this guy tried to just, like, fucking kill me, right? And his dad says, he's just trying to put you on tilt. He's testing you. They're allowed to have tantrums. We're not. Most important line of the episode, I would say. Tell me why. You know, for obvious racial reasons, I would say, is, like, this core, you know, and that's comics canon in terms of, like, John Stewart's path versus Hal Jordan's path and stuff like that. But, yeah. You know, just thinking about the fact that my guy, Stephen Williams, who I love, is directing at least one, if not a couple episodes this season. Stephen Williams, a Lost director. That's exciting. But also directed the absolutely iconic Watchmen episode, This Extraordinary Being. Has done, you know, when I did the Lost podcast, I talked to him a lot about Michael's storyline in Lost and sort of his thoughts on that and, like, inside of This Extraordinary Being. What that incredible. What that incredible Watchmen episode had to say about sort of, like, race and the path to being a hero inside of that world. And so I think, undoubtedly, having these characters, these creatives behind it, this is clearly something that they're interested in exploring. And I think the way that they're allowed to have tantrums, we're not. And the way that you watch John sort of stifle any sort of. He's been trained to not. Not fear, but also don't get angry, don't get upset, be deferential at all times. Yes. And, like, when's the lid going to come off of that part? Sure. And I think it should, you know? Yeah, absolutely. The ring pulses. Out pops the hologram. Less gray in the hair, different jacket. Still a good jacket, but a different one. It's a leather jacket this time. And different energy. He apologizes. And we're already, only a few minutes into the episode, struck by that. And, of course, John is struck by it as well. He says that he, like, must have a concussion. It's the only plausible explanation for Hal apologizing. But also, Hal's like, am I dead? That's right. What's going on here? So this idea that Hal has grown a little bit colder, a little bit less kind over time, you know, these questions of what has changed for him. Because, yeah, sure, right now, as of the last couple months as we hear, from the training timeline that John provides, he's got a trainee. That's probably. Let's put his hackles up. Led to some of this. But. He hasn't backed himself up. He hasn't backed himself up in 10 years. So something started sooner. And then even that, he's not in the lantern suit. In the hologram. Not wearing the suit. Has a weird reaction to hearing the recitation of the oath. Just sort of like, what is his relationship to his role to the greater authority, to all of that? And, you know, the hologram makes me so happy because a ton of our listeners may not be, you know, connected to this reference. But people who make this show definitely are, which is the show Quantum Leap. And the show Quantum Leap, which features a guy and his favorite, his best sidekick is a hologram named Al. And who is a real guy, but was a hologram named Al. And so the way in which they can have this Quantum Leap dynamic as much as they want going forward. And just use Kyle Chandler as much as they want to going forward is such a smart thing that they did. Such a smart twist of the canon. Because this isn't in the comics. And so, like, not in this form. And so I just think from a TV storytelling perspective. Because he can pop up wherever. And, like, we don't know yet. Can everyone see him? Or is it only if you're wearing the ring? But, like, he seems corporeal, right? I don't think he walked. I don't think John walked through him. But I'm just saying, can only John see him? And so, like, it's like that, you know, it's a ghost construct. Which can always be really fun inside of TV storytelling. So, yeah. Fantastic stuff. I thought this was great as well. Not only because of what it potentially unlocks for keeping Hal around in some capacity in the future. But, you know, again, on, like, the evolution front. Yeah, what happened? Yeah. And how many times along the road, you know? Because, like, baby. Based on what we'll hear him say at the taco stand in the next scene about why he stopped wearing the suit. It's like, Halogram is more engaged and still more, like, earnest and chipper and maybe sincere than 2016 primary timeline Hal. But already he had ditched the suit. And he's like, I don't need to wear the tie and try to impress people. Already. Like, so something has already changed for him a little bit. It feels like there's, like, a progression before whatever maybe more seismic happens in this last decade here. I mean, he's not wearing the suit in that exact moment. But we don't know. We don't know how often he's not wearing the suit. No. But, like, he could have easily been in the suit in the Halogram and he wasn't. So it feels like an intentional choice given that the next thing we hear him say is about why he stopped wearing the suit. Entirely possible. Entirely possible. Taco stand. He's signing autographs. He's taking selfies. He's winking at the cashier. Everybody is thrilled to see him, which, like, I love because that's not going to remain true. You know, we're about to head to Nebraska where Sheriff Kerry is like, what's the plural for eat shit? You know, and just thinks this guy is, like, such a pain in the ass. The fact that all of these people here are worshiping him and we get to see that he is simultaneously, like, happy to pose, happy to take the pictures, happy to flirt with the mom. But he's not necessarily, like, trying to impress them, right? Felt like an interesting thing to establish. But it's just so, like, you know, we'll hear him say, I word searched it in the transcript. I think it's just four different times. But it's 2006 Halogram and 2016 Myring. Very Gollum-y. Not the ring. My ring. Sure. And so, I mean, simply, yes, it is his ring. But the way he's saying it, like, what does he need from that ring? And what does he need from that attention he gets at the taco stand? Of course. Like, he's not trying to impress them, but at the same time, you know, he is. And, like, you know, I'll get used to saying it. Sheriff Kerry's point about the fact that he doesn't have. Anyone outside of this, then these sort of, like, vapor fumes of connections with people is, like, all he has to form his identity around. Except for the relationship he is building with John, right? Yeah. And the idea of, like, needing the validation of the public and, like, having that level of adoration from strangers fuel you. But also feeling the burden of it is an interesting superhero. It's a great psyche space to explore. I liked what Chris Mundy said at the little feature at the end of the episode about this. No human has ever been a Green Lantern before Hal got that ring. The pressure of being the first person to ever do this job. You can't underestimate how important that is in the mythology of Hal. The idea of living up to what the public thinks of you as a superhero, that's tiring. So, in some ways, I think Hal doesn't even want it anymore. And yet, if it was taken away from him, then Hal lost his identity. So, that push back. That pull of, like, this is who I am. And strangers asking to take a picture and asking me why I don't wear the suit anymore is the only way that I know who I am. And I don't. The threat of this other person who's seeking to rob me of that. To take it and make it his instead would, of course, be something that you felt almost like on a base instinct level the need to fend off. But it's like, what's the other side of this? The fact that you live in the public eye exhausting. The fact that you are. The earth's protector. Pressure. And then there's the whole, like, you made that decision in 96 to go on 60 Minutes. Like, what inspired that? What inspired him wanting to tell everyone, I'm Hal Jordan? And even the test of the ring, however true or false your answer is, that's also instantaneous. Like, there's nothing methodical or deliberate about. Unless you're John and you trained your whole life. But for Hal, it's like right away. And then you go and you see a pink officer, a pink alien with glow-in-the-dark goo. And you're like, this is pretty intense. And then that's it. Your life changes fundamentally forever and a second. It's a fun distinction in their journeys, for sure. And their relationship to the idea of inhabiting this world and carrying that responsibility. And then every minute of your life being defined by that decision. Like, if you live your life working toward that outcome, it's a radically different thing. It's really interesting. Wow. If you decide to be a podcaster. It's on camera. How can you get tacos and peace, you know? Oh, my God. Those tacos look great. It's like when you're eager and you'd like to prove yourself. This is what Hal says in the suit. So you wear a tie. So people will take you seriously. When you get older and wiser, you realize ties are a pain in the ass. I love this. So we have all of these different dynamics. We have, as you talked about with the phone call between John and his father, race undeniably very present here. We have the different paths to the ring undeniably very present here. We also. We also have age and generations. Right. And not only the fact that they are from different generations, but the question of just like youth versus somebody who's further along in their life and their relationship to the role of being Green Lantern when you're young and you're like the precocious, the dress for the job you want. Yeah. Like you're in the phase of everything is ahead of you. You are eager. You're strong. You're energetic. When you're at the Hal phase, it's like, are you washed up? Are you tired? But also, are you wise? Right. Have you gained something from your experience? Are you more pragmatic? Like growing older isn't only bad and especially if other things in Hal's life are going to make him feel like you're washed, then maybe part of what Hal will do is try to say, wait, no, this is like. I know things. Yeah. I drink and I know things. This is what I can provide. It's also just like a very Gen X sort of attitude coming off of him here. Millennials versus Gen X, a survivor season back in the day. I miss the themed seasons. I really do. That wasn't the best, but I do miss them. Yeah. For you, it was the brains versus brawn versus beauty. Brawn versus beauty. You loved that one. Some great players on those drives. As you know, I'm a David versus Goliath enthusiast. I do love that. So John tells Hal about the hologram. He's like, you were a lot nicer 10 years ago. And Hal just immediately, when he hears about the hologram, he hears about the message, hail in Rushville, shoots off into the sky. If I have one note for this episode, it is the flying effects. You didn't like it? I thought it was fine. What would you like to see instead? It's a great question. Yeah. Come with solutions, not just problems. Okay. That's a good note. I'll think about it. Genuinely curious. I just think it's the one thing that I'm sort of like that. That looked a little, a little funky. Yeah. Okay. But we're, you know, we're operating with a TV budget. What are you going to do? I was just looking at his hair blowing in the wind and his jacket and I thought it looked great. Rushville. Okay. So this is where we really start to lean into the space cops go true detective energy and blend. John flies in the old fashioned way. He has to book an airplane. Great montage. Wonderful. Incredible stuff waiting in the security line. All of it. Did it make you really optimistic for our flights to Baltimore? Hopefully everything will be smooth. Has to deal. With the lippy officer outside of the stadium. Sidekick that did not go over well. And then he is allowed to enter the stadium and he finds how sitting on the bleachers. And he's like, why did you, you've been here six hours. You came here just to sit on the bleachers in the exact same spot. We will find him in 2026. So how often is how returning there to think about this moment and what happened here? Did someone put him there or his least favorite spot, but the one that makes them pensive who I love that we get our first introduction to Sheriff Carrie. Yeah. And then how's like, well, you're going to find out why I've been, why I've been sitting here for six hours. Here she comes. Should we address the, the accent, the corn fed elephant in the room? Let's do it. Kelly McDonald. Yeah. An absolute icon. Love her. She's the best. Trainspotting. Gosford Park. Boardwalk. Boardwalk Empire. Um, really bad accent. It's confounding. It's just very strange. Yeah. It's confounding. Does, is that a reason to put her on alien watch? Maybe. Oh, interesting. Is it intentional? I don't know. I would like to think that the aliens would be able to know how to do a better accent than this one. I'm going to give it a pass. Here's what I'll say. It is one of those bad accents where it's so consistent that I can kind of just get used to it. And then it just sounds like, I don't know where she's from, but at least it sounds like she's from the same place word to word. So I can just sort of like tell myself a story. About it. Yes. But to me, it sounds like she's from a Coen brothers movie. Yeah. Like, yeah. Closer to Fargo than anything else, but not, but still not, uh, of this, of this earth. I would say. I love that this is part of what's triggering your, your alien theory. This is incredible. I was perplexed by the accent. I think the performance is wonderful. Yeah. She's fantastic. The accent is, is, uh, notable. No question about it. Uh, on the noted front. Yeah. You're a big shot. Noted. That really killed me. She's just ripping off zinger after zinger here. I have a very strong feeling, Hal says, about the aliens being involved. Well, then by all means, the scene is yours. Like, she's just, I love their flirtatious hatred. Like, right away, the vibes are strong. The energy was good. And these two lovers, you love it. I do. It's a, it's a cherished trope for a reason. I ship it. I don't mind saying that I ship it. And, uh. Could that be, like, in terms of, again, thinking about the Jedi. Uh-huh. Forming attachments. Earthly attachments. Yeah. Give him something he's afraid to lose. And Junior, his, uh, Junior, his, uh, his trainee. His, his, his pseudo-son and wifey, who happens to be married. But when's that stopped a Green Lantern in this episode? When's that stopped a member of the Macon family? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's a very, very open on that ranch. Which, uh, listen. I'm interested in learning more about the agreements that Zoe and William have, just seem to have with each other. It's great. Um, Hal observes the, the mellow nature. The fact that no one's upset. That no one's with the bodies. I thought this was actually quite important to show us. Because Hal's making a lot of jokes. He's getting dunked on. We needed to actually see his competence in this episode. His observational prowess. The fact that he is clocking something in this episode. So we get it in a couple different ways. Obviously, he's right about Weyland. Yeah, I agree. Um, the, the bar fight that he incites. Yeah. That's a, that's a clever tactic. Yeah. A student of human nature who knows that type of provocation will work. He, uh, yeah. And then the interrogation scene, of course, that he's, he's right about. His, his gut is right. Right. Um, I think it's equally important that we see John fuck a married lady. Um, because in terms of like his, I'm on the straight and narrow. I'm like a boy scout. I think he needs to do something, you know, messy. Sure. In order to sort of add, add dimensionality to that character. He didn't know that she was married in this episode? Would it have stopped him? He still, he still fucked a lady he just met in a truck. And I'm, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. It's not a bad thing to do, but it is a slightly messy thing to do. You want to walk me to my car, John? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, he does. Oh, yeah. Uh, speaking of whether or not sparks might be in the air, Carlos, can we see this, uh, I thought very compelling moment between, between Gary and Al? It was nice to meet you. Now, if you'll both kindly stay the fuck out of my way. She's up an incredible inch. Think she hates her guts? Yeah, but it's the way she hates them. This is just wonderful. Do you know who I'm freshly jealous of? Tell me. The hair zhuzher on, on Kyle Chandler. Oh, my God. Whoever's job it is to, like, put the pomade in there and then just, like, rumple it up. The jacket is iconic. The rumpler, the rumpler in chief. The hair is iconic. The rumpler in chief, uh, on the set of this, uh, show. And if it is. Is that the official title? Yeah. Do you think it should be? If it is Kyle himself, then I would like to know. Taking union jobs, but that's fine. Oh, man. So, Hal's like, why don't you tell me what's going on, right? Makes it another little lesson, little test. John reads the scene. Four dead, all in visitor sweatshirts. Uh, runs us through the end of the game. But I love that. The visit, visitors, like, if they're aliens. Visitors, indeed. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, from Kimball or somewhere further away. Perhaps. Kicking blocks still out. Game-winning field goal. Rush the field. It's Nebraska. They're carrying. Okay. Um, Hal. John says, knows something. Right? He's not just observing what's in front of him on the field. He's like, the hologram. You're saying it's a feeling, but it's something more. And we will get a little bit more information at the bar. But right here, Hal is still like, this is my job. As long as I'm alive. Dun, dun, dun. That ain't changing. I don't plan on dying anytime soon. And then John's like, it's not sure. Listen, 10 years is, uh. It's a full decade. It's a good run. I agree. It's nice to know that there's a decade ahead. Mm-hmm. For these, for these two. For these two. I hope we get to spend a little bit with them. Again, that's like, that's the other option is like, yes, the hologram exists, but also there's just like, we can explore the time between 2016 and 2026. I quite agree. Uh, John is like, you didn't tell Sheriff Carey that you spotted this other guy who has shed his sweatshirt and he's in the short sleeves and it's freezing. Everyone's cold. John was like, no, I didn't. Well, I would have. I respect the chain of command. All right, go tell her. Well, she already knew Joanna and she didn't want him to get spooked and run. And then he does. We get a little chase scene. Great runner, Aaron Pierre. Really good runner. Fantastic stuff. Hal with the little like, the shrug. Mm-hmm. You go do it. Great stuff. And, uh, they knock out Waylon, take him into custody. Hal's like, I'd like to speak to him. Sheriff Carey says, fuck off. And so we go to the bar to watch Hal get himself arrested. Did you, did you ever see the. This is an old John Mulaney bit when he had his original face. Um, uh, and he tells a story about playing What's New Pussycat over and over on a jukebox. No. It's a really good, it's like. Did he use a counterfeit 20? No, but he and his friend, the story he tells is that he and his friend played What's New Pussycat, uh, 21 times. Except they, they put one in that wasn't, like, seven What's New Pussycats in. Yeah. They put in, uh, one. One, it's not unusual. Okay. Just so that everyone in the room could be like, okay, the. A reprieve. It's over. And then it started up again. Anyway. That's actually diabolical. The way he tells the bit is so funny, and I was just thinking about it a lot when I thought about it. When we saw this. Do you think that. that before 2016 like could is it possible that that's where Hal Jordan got the idea I'm sure I'm sure Hal Jordan loves to rip John Mulaney bits on YouTube he's invoking pop culture throughout the interrogation scene so you know also brand new key is a banger and I've definitely played that song more than three times in a row like I think I've played that song 10 times in a row and I would have a great time with it I love to listen to songs on loop so I would yeah I would not have responded the way that this billiards uh playing rushville local did but Hal knew that he would yes and he was he was right um the unconventional tactics as you noted fun to see here also the fact that Hal is once again like the the positioning his withheld tutelage as masquerading as wisdom right it's like that's the whole ball game junior you know the when and how and this is what the John uses as an opportunity to ask him okay wait how did you get the ring like the story I know can't possibly be true why do you give a shit about how I got my ring my ring my precious it's mine mine own you should make that a meme the Gollum mashup the Gollum Hal mashup I'm not great at memes I would say you're great at sending them to me okay that's not the same skill set I'll leave it to the professionals I got it the old-fashioned way I sure as hell didn't interview it interview for it well shit maybe you should have power like that shouldn't you have to work for it excel prove yourself instead of just getting randomly selected so this is that kind of core question that we already discussed and then John pushes for more of the story and Hal tells him green bubble are you afraid no yanked him to Nebraska he's like I'm a pilot right airspeed bearing distance like I know where that bubble put me down 20 miles from where we're sitting listening to the same song on loop on a scale of one to ten yeah how cute do you think it is that this episode's called pilot eight and a half nine I quite like it yeah are you putting it at a solid ten you going seven well it's just been done before but I do like it yeah it's good it could have also been called my precious but maybe they'll save that it's a pilot and it's called pilot and he's a pilot he's a pilot he's wonderful I love it I do I really do and there he was I've been sir pink dying alien gave Hal his ring and his responsibility this next this next bit absolutely killed me and then he said two more words it's last words and he kind of whispered them so I've never really been sure whether he said good luck or ah fuck absolutely incredible oh my god a human was never meant to have the ring Hal says earth is a backwater Hal has always suspected that the crash was not an accident and so he kept a lookout he wanted an alert system a warning and that is why the Hal gram appeared with the hail and rush fill account to me this means that Hal should come on house of R because he's on theory corner I don't quite understand entirely how this system works but I'm I'm excited to lean in same how exactly is that yeah yeah where is the halogram the halogram that there there's hail and rush is it like a motion sensor yeah something is it a are we talking simply safe is it like I don't know yeah um little little little tease here as well in this in this uh origin stretch here we have you know the kind of dual origin this is the origin with the ring we have the prior kind of family history origin with losing his father how the guardians see earth and think about earth this idea that the ring was not supposed to come here right this is also a familiar lantern's beat green lantern beat but established here and then you know the murder mystery driving the premiere entwined to Hal getting the ring smart again this connects us across across all those all those decades all of them John gives uh Hal gives John the ring my ring I know takes a couple shots it's like you're gonna it's gonna look pretty bad you're gonna you're gonna be tempted to to help and John's like I'm good I was like all right tough no Hal's reaction that I mean again Kyle Chandler king of the rumpled double take just like he's like all right this is really good so good very as you know I think he has just the most expressive sad eyes I love it he does he does at one point in the series Ron it's possible that I will say to you get a grip and then we'll just say it with so much love in my heart it's which episode make a prediction now how many weeks in next week maybe by the end of today's episode we still have a couple more scenes we'll see we'll see so Hal goes to get his ass kicked and then this lovely woman at the bar who we will learn is Zoe Macon is Zoe Macon starts when Noah's like grandma yeah starts asking a lot of questions yes and we you know if you re-watch the scene Zoe is visible oh yeah she's listening in the whole scene listening to the ears are peeled that's not something one says but I'm gonna say it her ears are peeled yeah why not your eyes are peeled but her ears she's well she's just like kind of carefully not looking at them yeah but like yeah but like really listening yeah and then just asking a lot of space cop questions yes space cops have bosses I mean backup quarterback John's just spilling to her in more ways than one but like you know are you proud of me very wow look at you uh on me on all the Friday night lights ties so you're the backup quarterback is very high on the list I know you and I were just sitting there at San Diego Comic-Con just like every single one we're just sort of like check yeah I loved them all I loved them all I'm patient no you're not keen observation there from Zoe yeah and then they go student of human behavior sure is and then they go and it's uh pretty compelling and pretty compelling scene and then and then she goes home and tells her husband I guess open marriage let's find out all right good for them good good for them how meets the the makings yeah he gets arrested sheriff care so John shows up to bail him out and sheriff carries like uh listen I know this guy's game I know exactly what he's trying to do it's almost like he wanted to get arrested so that I would put him next to the exact guy that he said that uh that he needed to talk to when I told him fuck off in a broom closet in a broom closet she rolls that's just amazing very good uh so he's got to get arraigned and the judge much like sheriff carry is like I'm not really interested in your bullshit how Jordan what's your authority yeah and then yeah which way yeah which agency are you with like and then Jason Ritter is here and I just say once again nobody told me Jason Ritter was in this show delightful it's a wonderful cast I love Jason Ritter he's great he's great smarmy little mustache remember when we spent multiple years and seasons of Yellow Jackets being like when is Jason Ritter and he had like allegedly filmed an episode that they like never aired we talked about it so many episodes right and then he's also like randomly like a background mushroom zombie in The Last of Us that's right yeah that's right so when is Mellie Alinsky gonna show up in this show that would be wonderful that would be or on Matlock these are the questions I have exactly I believe Jason Ritter's on Matlock yeah yeah absolutely yeah yeah a show I do not watch but I support no but we've seen commercials for it well I don't I don't watch football I haven't seen them I've seen oh yeah you don't see commercials I see commercials during sporting sports yeah I have seen his like Instagram reels of him dancing in his trailer on set that's my exposure to Jason Ritter on Matlock his Instagram is wonderful because he's a lot of cat content oh yeah big cat dad he's always been like he has been like yeah on on the like sort of meme beat for a long time very good so he's here on behalf of dad right yeah uh Hal you're gonna lawyer up okay Hal pulls him aside and says hey just uh one note usually the guys who offer me hundreds of thousands of dollars no strings attached wind up being the bad guys Billy's like oh there are strings attached actually dad wants you over for dinner tonight so we learn here that William Macon this is the junior right Billy married junior junior junior junior junior junior junior junior junior junior dad dad wants you over for dinner tonight so we learn here that William Macon this is the junior right Billy married this is the junior right Billy married this is the junior right Billy married this is the junior right Billy married to Sheriff Kerry and uh our guys are gonna go to the ranch to Sheriff Kerry and uh our guys are gonna go to the ranch this was definitely the carry doesn't have the this was definitely the carry doesn't have the this was definitely the carry doesn't have the Macon last name no well Kane yeah the the I've got Macon last name no well Kane yeah the the I've got questions about their marriage all of it not just questions about their marriage all of it not just right like is she coerced somehow well just yeah right like is she coerced somehow well just yeah right like is she coerced somehow well just yeah like sounds like somebody was dead yeah the like sounds like somebody was dead yeah the like sounds like somebody was dead yeah the really catching strong vibes between really catching strong vibes between really catching strong vibes between oh no Kerry and Billy oh she's not oh no Kerry and Billy oh she's not oh no Kerry and Billy oh she's not interested in Jason Brenner she doesn't interested in Jason Brenner she doesn't interested in Jason Brenner she doesn't understand his allure understand his allure understand his allure I do but she doesn't get it all of his I do but she doesn't get it all of his I do but she doesn't get it all of his excellent cat content on Instagram and excellent cat content on Instagram and excellent cat content on Instagram and TikTok um the entrance to this Macon TikTok um the entrance to this Macon TikTok um the entrance to this Macon ranch was definitely the most I thought ranch was definitely the most I thought ranch was definitely the most I thought Sheridan coded and we actually get a Sheridan coded and we actually get a Sheridan coded and we actually get a Sheridan County sign a bit like the this Sheridan County sign a bit like the this Sheridan County sign a bit like the this has a real Yellowstone feel like has a real Yellowstone feel like has a real Yellowstone feel like pulling onto the ranch the militia but pulling onto the ranch the militia but pulling onto the ranch the militia but what do you make of the fact that the what do you make of the fact that the what do you make of the fact that the coming into the Macon ranch yeah which coming into the Macon ranch yeah which coming into the Macon ranch yeah which every time I say it sounds like bacon every time I say it sounds like bacon every time I say it sounds like bacon ranch to me anyway coming into the Macon ranch to me anyway coming into the Macon ranch to me anyway coming into the Macon ranch study the past is what it says on ranch study the past is what it says on ranch study the past is what it says on the entry there which is half of the the entry there which is half of the the entry there which is half of the quote study the past if you would define quote study the past if you would define quote study the past if you would define the future but what do you make of that the future but what do you make of that the future but what do you make of that being something that the Macon family being something that the Macon family being something that the Macon family feels important enough to put on their feels important enough to put on their feels important enough to put on their ranch sign well like do they strike you ranch sign well like do they strike you ranch sign well like do they strike you as is it their ranch because oh you know as is it their ranch because oh you know as is it their ranch because oh you know the benefactor the benefactor is like a the benefactor the benefactor is like a the benefactor the benefactor is like a big Confucius guy well the benefactor is big Confucius guy well the benefactor is big Confucius guy well the benefactor is Confucius maybe that's because it's Confucius maybe that's because it's Confucius maybe that's because it's another mystery who's your employer okay another mystery who's your employer okay another mystery who's your employer okay there you go benefactor is an alien who was once Confucius and is now posing as something else or maybe Confucius was an alien that's what I'm saying yeah I mean it's all Confucius was an alien and now that person is here and has written his own quote study the past if you would define the future or divine the future it's all possible whether anything that William Macon says in this premiere is something we should believe is an open question I think the thing that seems you know he's invoking his NDA in the kitchen etc can't share anything about he's just a character of this property Joanna can't share anything about who his employer is who the property belongs to he is happy to share that he's a student of history though right that part he offers up freely so he's a Confucius guy usually when a guy who's like meat cleavering ribs says he's a student of history I think of like that scene in Succession when Tom's like have you read Mein Kampf one of the all time one of the all time scenes in the history of television genuinely unbelievable that's what that piques to be not Confucius but listen we can contain multitudes you know listen Macon is like hell don't worry I'm not a weird isolationist racist and it's a real like oh the way that he like the way that he cloaks it the way that he cloaks it in talking about the like native population of Nebraska I'm like give me a fucking break nothing worse than being the one who's colonized here's my favorite like menacing thing that he does yeah not just the sort of not the meat cleaver well not just the like I looked you up um you didn't look me up exchange which I think is really good yes I quite liked that but this the etiquette of inviting a vegan into your home saying I got you some tofu steaks yeah but then doing your raw meat business yeah sure in front of them indeed is just like that's well at that point does he already know that John did his raw meat business with oh absolutely that's what I'm saying is part of the it's part of the intimidation but it's just sort of like I'm I you know I have friends with many vegetarians and vegans and I would never season meat in front of them no bloody hands as he's eating my hands are all meaty no absolutely that's a that's a posturing oh no question you know no question putting your dick on the table sort of move quite without that I did quite like that that's either trust or arrogance I'm I'm trusting I'm arrogant I don't trust anyone exchange that was great um the um 'cause you know the the fact that Macon is is claiming to be a a student of history but then saying you know but I'm not these other things obviously very like present day fear mongering coded in terms of uh we need to fear anybody who isn't like us and you agree you see it we agree I it was so important obviously in this episode that Hal is like are there Americans who feel that way that Hal is like I don't that's the thing Will mm I don't know if our interests are the same right important certainly to have Hal push back on Macon in this episode and say that and then that question of like what is because more generally what's going on with Carrie and this family dynamic we get like a specific wrinkle where um Will's like I'll clear that brush you want to talk to this guy and then tells Hal as they're leaving you're gonna be able to I talked to Carrie you're gonna be able to go talk to this guy yeah why how is he able he tells Carrie it has to happen and then it happens what hold does he have over her the mysteries are and where was the meat cleaver when he had that conversation indeed so we had one of the clips that they showed at Comic Con was this um nothing better than eating off another man's grill exchange just wonderful stuff including I'm just very compelled by the fact that Zoe like told him directly I mean it's very interesting same I'm very eager to learn more about their marriage I also quite liked on the Hal-John front the way that Hal was like I'm impressed I'm impressed I've barely been here 24 hours I'm impressed just great stuff all around so a lot of mysteries mounting in that scene both big and small Hal's late late for the interrogation classic stuff you know what I just realized reading your notes here which this section uh Hal interrogates Waylon the alien yeah Waylon sounds more like alien than Hale does I can't see you're right if I'm an alien Waylon's not the name that I'm using to disguise myself do you think all the aliens accidentally gave themselves names that sound like alien is this like if you're going on the lam and it's like the easiest way to maintain the lies oh because their name is alien it's me alien I mean Waylon exactly you think that's what happened yeah probably quick rattle of some other names that sound like alien um let's see alien nope Bailey Bailey could be one Bailey Bailey that's all I got do you have any nope but Waylon does well it does more than Hale I'm just gonna say more than Hale the bar's in hell but it's cleared it Waylon oh my god Waylon the alien great stuff uh Carrie's like listen this guy's human he had to go to the hospital for scans because of his injuries pass the scan all the organs are there and this is where we get the great no hidden antennas the plural for it antennas and then I'm what's the plural for each shit which just absolutely killed me I thought it was hysterical uh John 14 alien races can now pass as humans secret scroll watch nothing nothing here on earth no technology can discern that they're actually aliens I mean like do you if you cut them open do they goop like is there any like how do we find out right is it just like the cat scans and the MRI and x-ray machines aren't telling them but you slice them and green goo comes out and if it's like oh whoops that was a person it's like shit too late I don't know well it's just like a little nick you don't have to like cut their head off I don't know you're just asking questions on behalf of Waylon and Bailey the aliens Waylon and Bailey Esquire yeah I'm just I'm just always asking questions okay I thought this interrogation scene between Hal and Waylon was fucking great again we saw this at Comic Con which killed like this scene they only made like fucking 22 of them it's so good well yes you I'm sure love the like what a delightful the Harry Potter stuff was really good the like the concept of like let's rattle off the things that all America knows Kelly Clarkson like etc etc the Barack Obama bit I mean just like absolutely killed all of Hall H it was so good so like this scene is just was a perfect advertisement some great Nebraska football facts you know Johnny Rogers Frank Solich etc this was just it was great really really really really great and then you know how it's like that's the rub right you learn all these very specific things I'm sure you can tell me everything about the truck you drive but not about Kelly Clarkson you don't just know what it's like to just be a person in the world so ask every member of the Macon family about Kelly Clarkson I think it's a good idea yeah and then one of them will say well that's just where I hang my hat and then Hal can once again say what a delightful human expression it'll be great it'll be great so Kelly is Kelly Carrie maybe Kelly maybe Kelly Clarkson is also marveling everyone's marveling yeah instead of like the Voight-Kampff test and Blade Runner is the Kelly Clarkson test I love it Sheriff Carrie just marveling watching this we're delighted by Hal and Sheriff Carrie's like this guy is so full of himself as this is where she asked John how can you work for someone you don't respect and John says I do respect him he's fearless and this is the exchange we've talked about if you care about people husband wife parent kid then you're scared of losing them first time he strutted up to me I could tell Jordan doesn't care about anyone and nobody cares about him yeah Carrie Kane doesn't care about anyone he's fucking fearless he's lonely Carrie Kane doesn't like her husband or her in-laws but she seems like she probably likes her son so she's got someone she cares about Noah made all state you know yeah not by himself takes a village to make all state don't you think I like that you the emphasis was like all state insurance yeah I think you're the best I know so much about football you're the best all state you know more after this episode I've watched a lot of Chad Powers recently so natty is what they call nationals sure natty I learned it yeah gotta go win a natty yeah yeah this is a great sports show sports show this was I thought that's even better than all state insurance going all the way in the natty the natty I thought this was quite cutting and quite cruel as a thing to say about a person you don't know possibly true but accurate possibly true but quite harsh and then how cracks Waylon Waylon dragging us dragging all of mankind for caring more about football than the just complete disintegration and decay of our planet who's us here good note from Waylon who's us you miss natty miss natty over here miss all state insurance yeah it's like I'm not gonna fall into the hands of the lanterns and if I do I've got a plan for that I'm not here for peace I'm here for war if I'm taken captive I'm ready and how's like what what are we talking we talking cyanide and Waylon says you're thinking very small and how says then give it to me big interestingly also what I would like to say to how Jordan I'm not going to say that It's not get a grip time yet, but I'll let you know. when it is oh my god he just looks so good Waylon mentions Chekhov's recharge here right just uh just some rules this episode is a lot of rules you need the lantern to recharge the ring do you have the lantern you've been here 48 hours how's like I've got plenty of power left okay but for how long yeah a real I don't need that Viagra move from how I got plenty in me and then Waylon mentions the oath and something just immediately changes it changes in house face it changes in his demeanor this was really really a wonderful and very rich moment Carlos let's see it it almost seems like you want to die hell Jordan does that not violate your precious oath in brightest day and blackest night no no evil shall escape my sight let those who worship evils might beware my sight let those who worship evils might beware my sight let those who worship evils let those who worship evils might beware my sight let those who worship evils might beware my sight let those who worship evils might beware my sight let those who worship evils might beware my power Harry Potter went to Hogwarts you ignorant alien fuck so what's what's your I've seen a lot of people interpret that that Hal's reaction to that differently what's your interpretation of Hal's reaction to reciting the oath so what pinged for me right away the way that his face changed and then the the mouth that I said don't was that we're tracking this progression across time with Hal we're very rooted in the 2016 timeline where he is very cynical he is very jaded he has this edge he has lost some tether to the thing and hearing that it's like there is still something sacred about that that he will not let this guy sit across the table from him and mock keep my oath out of your mouth yeah that was how it played to me that's interesting and I I I really see it that way and another interpretation I've seen is that that's actually another indication of how being like so disconnected from his green lanternness that he doesn't even want to like hear the oath interesting like sort of like really two radically different interpretations that mean entirely different things I'm actually not sure which way I feel about it yeah oh I think I like I like that as well yeah I both seem plausible yeah I think at this point couple comments on this from the little feature out at the end of the episode uh from Damon what are the non-negotiable ingredients that need to be in a show called lanterns one of those things was the oath we have to get it into the pilot in some way so this insight into when they were plotting out the show the fact that there had to be a moment around the oath right here at the beginning that this is like this elemental thing and then Tom King said it's essential to the character it connects them to what makes the green lanterns different than other superheroes which is the fact that they're a part of a community so even the what you just said like the other possible interpretation of that either way is it a is hearing the oath something that Hal feels protective of is it something that reminds of his distance either way it's to and against a reminder of that thing that community the pledge what it means to have put the ring on in the first place I wonder how I wonder how long it will take us to hear either Hal or John say it we we watch them try to recite it together at comic-con yeah but it's so earnest and versus who Hal is yeah well I think that that was another thing with that like this is a sacred thing yeah and almost what felt to me like a reflexive like instinctual response to that and there's also a little bit of the like a little bit of shame you know a little bit of shame of hearing that thing and maybe feeling the I'm not living up to that yeah the distance from it yeah um Waylon begins to beep are you beeping are you beeping absolutely incredible stuff why are you here why else vengeance fascinating theory corner oh my god and then Hal tosses them into the vengeance for what well I don't know what do you think I don't know what do I know alien stuff maybe something happened to Bailey justice for Bailey the alien get to gato you know what and justice for Bailey I'm getting on board with Bailey as as it sounds like alien Bailey the alien yeah you're a compelling person we do we do this for work got to get to gato I like that shot of Hal constructing the bubble and then kind of standing there holding it but also I loved uh the sound design on the aftermath that is not a big explosive sound that it's the ringing um really good and just the way also especially because we are setting so much of the story it seems in this place the way that the explosion reverberates through the town you know there's the the everybody getting out of their cars the shattering of the windshields etc so we pan up into the building and we're like oh my god we're like oh my god we're like oh my god we're like oh my god we're like oh my god we're like oh my god we're like oh my god we go from day to night snowflakes are falling we pan down here's John he's gotta go tea winter is cool I was gonna make a winter's coming next spring but it's summer jokes that doesn't work but remember that that was great that was this year is that true oh my god that really just sheesh I mean it started at the tail end of last year but yes that's right we talked about the trailers last year but you're right the show was this year wild stuff sheesh drives past what certainly appears to be the decimated Macon ranch someone wasn't a good enough student of history if you do a little freeze frame Mahoney on this the gate is visible there the walls the fence etc so uh something's happening here and he meets Carrie they hug they embrace you know you haven't aged a day asks about Noah this is so I thought this was an interesting way to show us like that they're they clearly grow close enough and fond enough of each other events that we will watch across the season to greet each other warmly to ask about family but not so close that John already knows how Noah's doing it helps us understand the passage of time that kid we saw is now a high school quarterback that's right dude if you're all state Nebraska like you're getting a legit d1 scholarship you might be going bro okay little Maddie Saracen little Jason Street pre-accident I mean Noah the Mad Saracen vibes with the throwing the football through the tire was were very unbelievable stuff unbelievable stuff so they walk in does anyone else know just the groundskeeper know what Hal Jordan's fucking dead or is he on the bleachers as you noted in the same spot and this is a big decision this is a big twist bullet hole in the head in the head blood dribbling down his face no ring on either of their hands I think probably many people given the way that this show was positioned as the trainee oh and all the trailers my replacement yeah sort of thing thought it was entirely possible that Hal Jordan might die at some point in this show I did not anticipate that we would see that Hal Jordan died in the first episode I think this is really smart to show us this but to do it in a flash forward 10 years into the future because it allows them to say like and we know we know that John Stewart is in the next Superman movie like he's he John Stewart is going to be a huge part of the DCU as the Green Lantern as the Green Lantern so something has happened I mean but also again if Guy Gardner is also the Green Lantern like maybe just the rules are out the window we are marching toward a tragic thing what is the state of their relationship well but here's my question for you yes like in some ways in terms of TV storytelling this is a sort of better call Saul tactic of like better call Saul if you've ever seen that show has a flash forward at the beginning where you see this like many years in the future what is going to so that's just looming over this character you're watching it the whole time and it and it is like contrary to what some people think which is like oh it ruins everything that I know he dies on the contrary I think it could be really powerful storytelling to just have that like I agree fate looming yeah would it be interesting to you or disappointing to you if Hal is not dead in some way if that's if that's an alien and not actually Hal or any number of like comic book gory hijinks that could ensue to make it that that's not Hal at the end of the day interesting question I think on the one hand given that to some degree in a comic book universe where we are so accustomed to resets or some version of this person is back for some reason either because the thing we thought we saw wasn't exactly what we thought we were seeing or some other reason that possibility is almost like a myth I think it's a myth I think it's a myth I think always in our minds you mean coming from D23 when Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. were on the stage could have something to do with it yeah could have something to do with it um and so you know maybe there's always a little part of you that is primed for that possibility would I I think the question of how I would respond to it ultimately will depend on how it's handled if that is in fact what happens however I think that because this premiere which was really strong and really rooted in this relationship between Hal and John and also just specifically Hal and his journey his relationship to the idea of being Green Lantern to choose to end it in this way was such a bold decision and stroke and so like you don't want them to undo it I don't think I want them to undo it I agree yeah especially because as you said there are so many ways to give us time with Hal without having to undo it theory corner is always open for any possibility We'll hold these theories loosely and we'll think about them, but I agree. with you that like to make this a sort of big shocking moment of the premiere and then to walk it back somehow I think would be somewhat narratively disappointing again there's so many workarounds in terms of like the 10 years in between that they can cover or the hologram I don't think the hologram is a cheat I think that's just something that they've set up that they could use forever um I also have fresh in my mind us talking to Ryan Condal about House of the Dragon and him being like the way we got James Norton is that we said it was just one season so is do we get Kyle Chandler to say hey Kyle you're gonna have to wear this superhero suit but also a not very much and b only one season you know that would be that would be a bummer uh for for all of us it does feel completely possible uh but it's very possible yeah I I really I really like that they did this like I gasped and I was like oh no but then very quickly really uh came to to to like and admire this decision and I think the kind of the multiple tragic interpretations of this depending on where we find Hal and where we find Hal and John together like do they become very close and brothers and lean into that version of their relationship how do you read John's reaction to seeing heartbroken his mentor's body hair yeah heartbroken I mean he wasn't like but stoically so because that's his way yeah he wasn't like oh my god and now the ring is mine it was like a tender gingerly lifting of the hand to take the ring but it's like that's kind of what's interesting to me about it because we don't know what exactly is ahead for this version of these two characters obviously there's a ton of story about the relationship between Hal Jordan and John Stewart but for for this show's version of this tale you know if it is really tense and really rocky and the conflict and the tension remain very palpable and present in their relationship right and then Hal's gone then that is deeply tragic in its own way if actually there is a breakthrough and a camaraderie and a partnership and a kinship and a fellowship that forges and then this happens then that's tragic too right and obviously also given that line we got from Sheriff Carey just about you know fear and the connection to loss like we were talking about what we'll learn hopefully about Hal's relationship to those ideas but this is a loss for John you know so what will John's grief look like I don't know what his grief look like right and in terms of like his ability to connect um again in that Jedi sense he's been trained to fear nothing um you know to to be so stoic but like what will Hal crack open inside of him what will their relationship crack open inside of each other it's interesting to think about a second season of Lanterns which you know there have been some conversations about like the writers that they're engaging for that and what that look like looks like but to your point if Aaron Pierre is showing up for the second season of Lanterns in the current timeline as the Green Lantern do we want a Lanterns season two that is like 2018 you know what I mean like do we want to keep just like mining the past for for uh you know this John or I don't know just something to think about any other theories you want to toss out not right now about dead Hal about Bailey about anything anyone could be an alien yeah is what I say yeah and uh uh can't wait to find out same I can't wait to keep potting about the show delighted that the premiere was good what what a thrill I hope it I hope it maintains same yeah same may it be another penguin experience where the skepticism turned into euphoria while watching it you know that's my preferred I don't know I just like I'm just wired differently I prefer to be a little storm cloud and then be pleasantly surprised by something not me I'm like Mando and Grogu will change our lives and it did just not the way we wanted it to be I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know we thought all right that is the d23 news and notes vision quest conversation this vision quest is legitimately less than two months away I mean it's around the fucking corner I'm so unbelievable stuff unbelievable stuff doomsday is also this year but most most importantly to me vision quest is soon and then we got to get to gato get to gato got to d23 news lancer's premiere we will be with some of you in baltimore this thursday we can't wait and then we will have rain or shine rain or shine and then we will have the episode from the warehouse posting on the feed a day or two after that exact timing tbd a mysterious show everyone's sure that I think people will like yes we have a plan we do we do there was a plan it's like you sound like nick puree incredible that was the reference you're the best thank you to our team our guardians you know our core that's right carlos cherboga scott lee jacob cornet jeff sharon jeff yeah joining us today right new delightful 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