L2C 072: H1 from the Chess Knowledge with H1 podcast

[MUSIC] We show up after the clock, coffee gone, boards unlocked. You move in hide, I move my mind, I lay the chest right on time. Tell me what you saw before the queen fell hard. Everybody I dear turns in to a spark. Late to chest. Late to chest, we make a mess. Then we make sense. Late to chest. Late to chest. One more game, one more defense. [MUSIC] Late to chest. [MUSIC] Welcome back to the late to chest podcast. I believe the doctor has made another house call for us. I'm in the house and I'm ready to offer prescriptions. That's right, we are. And the doctor we have a guest, I know you like having guests. Maybe not as much as listener questions, but we have a guest. Close, close, I'm excited about this one. Exactly, so I'm going to surprise him a little bit with this. I spent, let's see what was it. 38 hours driving straight when I first found his podcast. I found his podcast the day before I left for a family vacation and I had the drive and we just kept driving. 38 hours straight of his podcast, it was great. It had a great time. Kids and wife are like, you are a lunatic, but that's okay. I listened to my guests at 3X and drive them crazy. It's fun. So, he has a podcast. I think he still has a podcast called Chess Knowledge with H1. That kind of gives away who it is. He's known as H1 Chess. His real name, I don't know if we're going to give it out. It's up to him. I have a nickname for him though. And since his name is H1, I just call him the Ruck. You guys can figure it out if you know your chessboard notation. Welcome to the podcast H1. Welcome, sir. How you doing? Good. Thank you for having me. This is great to be at the late to chess podcast. It's awesome. Being able to relax, hands off, and just talk, and then y'all can do it. You have to edit is what he's saying. Bill has to edit. That's true. You know, I'm happy that Bill is doing it. You are. You are. You're real happy that the doctor is not doing it. I'll tell you that. Yeah. I didn't know that you listen to the podcast for 38 hours. You listen to the call for 38 hours. Wow. At 3X. I didn't say I was a smart man. But it was fun. I had a great time. Yeah. Every now and then I'll send the podcast to the doctor. The one I'm listening to that I think you should listen to. And he's like, this is from 2019. And I'm like, I'm listening to every episode of every chess podcast. And I can't afford to do Ben Johnson's podcast because every time I listen to one, I'm ending up buying a chessboard course or three books or something. And so the most expensive podcast in the world by far for me is perpetual chess. I can't afford to listen to that podcast. It has been a lot of things. Podcasts. His is great. He invited me on like a few years ago. Yeah. It was like during the time I put out like a chessboard course he invited me on. And it was great. Like he's he actually came to my podcast like a wow back. Yeah. And you know, and that was. That was like the best thing ever. Oh, yeah, this is awesome. I get somebody that's been in a podcast world for as, you know, as long as I can remember as I've been into chess. And so, yeah, he's a great guy. Yeah, eventually he'll weaken and acknowledge our existence and come on. But we'll get him. It's okay. We got time. We got the big age one here. We got the wrong. The wrong. The wrong. That's right. The white rock. And you really want to get specific, but that's okay. Yes. That is. So, sir. Yeah. So, yeah. I do long intros, but I don't do good intros. So, what did I miss in case somebody's not familiar with you besides your new nickname that you're going to love. You're probably going to have a shirt tomorrow. I can see a comment. The rook. What would you tell people if they they're listening to you or they just meeting you for the first time? Do you know about your chess? Could be professional life, family life. Whatever you're wanting it into. Well, I've been in chess for basically about 18 years. I know that's a long time for most people. You were like two. Well, no. No. No, I am. I'm getting older. Like, to kids nowadays, I'm an uncle. And I'm only 28. Weirdly in love. It's crazy. But you know what? I accept it because honestly, you know, when I talk to it's just a different era. So, yeah, I just accepted now, but not I've been playing chess for about 18 years. Been teaching for about 15 years because, you know, as I was growing up, my brother, he used to like take me to like, he used to teach chess too. And he used to take me with him. And I, you know, I was like his little sidekick. And so that's how I got my teaching experience at a very young age, even though like I, I mean, based on the first year of me, like, to learn how to play chess. I've already knew like how to, how to pieces move, checkmate, et cetera. Spend a lot of time with the game. And so, yeah. And so from there, I had a high school team. And I was the captain in the player. And then after high school, I taught chess at different schools around Kansas City. And from there, that's when I went into like teaching chess online. And I was like kind of doing both at the same time. So I did the podcast of 2020 and started doing live streams, afterwards doing videos. And yeah, you name it just everything above the sun and chess. And here I am today. And now I'm on the late two chess podcasts. I know you've dropped. I mean, for you guys, thank you. Yeah. Yes, right. So when you were started teaching online, where did you start doing that? You know, when you were making YouTube, like when I want to know about that board, the wall board and how you got to that. Yeah, honestly, I really didn't know if people was going to resonate with it, because I started with the whole, I started with the electronic board. I had the chess.com board set up above me, like the vertical. I was doing the vertical videos. And it just wasn't getting the amount of views that I wanted it to get. It wasn't like resonated with anybody, because everybody was doing it. It was like the same thing. And so I was like, you know what? How about let's just switch it up. It's going to be easier to make videos like this with the wall board. And this is kind of how I was taught chess when I was growing up anyway. And so hopefully it can, and it could be fun streams. You can like see my whole body. I'm not just like a chess player just sitting down and loading. Playing in the game of chess. Right. I'm not just a floating hit. So I can bring a little bit more energy to the chess community. And so I made a lot of videos and it worked like. It's just, it just, I got a lot of views. I started on TikTok and then expanded to like YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, etc. And yeah, honestly, that's how I gained my first audience. So did you, um, when you started online teaching, were you teaching? How did you go about it? How did you set up the instruction like, you know, what? Was there a certain system? Did you start? This is how the pieces move and you, or you know what I am saying? Or did you start with just random positions? Those kind of, you know, how did you go about it? Yeah. So I would, so with those videos that I was doing, a younger me had a lot of energy. All right. Let's just put that out there too. I hear you. I hear you. Um, but I saw a live streaming on TikTok. And so, and, and during the TikTok live streams, I was like trying to figure out what to do. I'll suck with people. And then like a lot of people wanted to play me on the board during the live stream. And I was like, you know what? How about I just teach a whole lesson through in the live stream. And so that's where I started and that's where most people like started noticing me from those like TikTok live streams. And so it would be like a lot of people coming in like thousands of people coming in and just trying to figure out the best move from like play from like the games that I will show from the games that I was showing. And I would go through like the classics, the McHale tall games, the signets games, the bot the net games, the Bobby Fisher games, Garrick is far off. Madness Carlson, et cetera. Those would be the games that I would do instructional live streams. And it was pretty much when I started every night like it was it was a crazy. It was a crazy time because yeah, I was doing it every night. And so, yep, I would have my regular job in the morning and then at night time I'm just a chess instructor to like so many people. and yeah, it was good, my brain was always racing, trying to figure out newer ideas, what concepts to bring out next. I used to have like a notepad and write out ideas, what I want to bring out in the next lesson and trying to figure out the enleimist terms, how to explain complicated concepts and chess to people that's just now starting out, or to people that's just trying to get to a thousand elo in which for myself that's kind of like the main goal of my life on the internet anyways just to like make it super easy for people to get better at chess just to think in a certain way. And so and some things might even be simple and that they just needed to be said and once it's said they can just run off with it. I've had so many like students and lessons where you know we just talking like the first hour or so and then they just run off with advice and they just beat like a 1800 and they're like 1200. But that that's how powerful like these certain principles can be when you're like sharing it with like a beginner. And plus like nowadays there's so much plethora information but there's not like an exact role to get to the goal that you want to to be at. And so everybody already has all the information. They just need to connect the dots. Yeah. That's my biggest, Bill knows this rant. That's my biggest problem with chess instruction, chess knowledge, chess content, especially online is that it's just you know, again when I was a younger person, you know, it's one it was all all books and I'm always telling people we had one book in my school library on chess. That's the only book I you know. And so I like for you to maybe talk a little more about that. There's just so much information now, chess has gone you know, wild and so much information about it knowledge but there's not a lot on here's you know an A to Z you know system structure followed this and then I mean there are a lot of them out there but now you don't know which one to pay attention which who do you follow? Especially if you can't afford a coach percent. And so yeah, it's just complicated and the complicated part is that each person is different and so each person struggle with different concepts and one difference that I can say nowadays that it is that it that is easier nowadays is openings like every everybody knows that opening. Everybody is very in depth in that opening too. They can just watch a video online 15 minute video and then now they're like they know like the main line of the lunges system and they're only like 1000 elo back when I was growing up which was like 18 years ago. The openings wasn't really popular like that. Nobody knew anything about openings like from a from a low level and honestly it used to be like a common concept that you don't really have to learn openings to get to a certain point which I think is a is a little bit changed recently and honestly it people might need to start studying up on openness not too seriously but enough to at least get through the first like 12 to 15 moves because nowadays especially the over-the-bored scene 1200 elo and real life of players are like 2000 and rapid on chest.com and it's a little bit mismatch you know you're nice it's not exactly the same experience like it used to be anymore and yeah the the measurements of the measure of entry is different than it used to be right that's yeah it's good so you played pretty much continuously since you started right um I was on and off yeah right um maybe a break or two here or there but so the doctor stopped for like 35 plus years I stopped for I don't even know probably probably even longer because I I know the day I stopped playing was I got crushed two or three straight games by this friend of mine the night that Tyson's bought spinks so you weren't born yet but okay uh he was his father turned out to be a grandmaster who knew um so I got killed so I didn't play for 30 something years so since you've got like this you know 15 to 18 to 20 years kind of span how how have you seen chess progress like is a thousand still a thousand still a thousand still a thousand or how have they changed or 15 and pick a pick whatever elo you want you know they how is the the player pool talent skill ability level changed over that time that you've been playing so I'm gonna just based off on chess.com I think majority of people play on chess.com so chess.com 10 15 years ago it it was like there wasn't even a lot of people under 1000 elo that I remember and so it's I would say that thousand rated people nowadays would be able to like demolish the people that are 1000 elo beforehand is just crazy the the amount of information that you get is like I like I said I have students and they already know what like concepts like triangulation is like which is like a very difficult concept to know and they they know it or they even even them hearing about it is just a completely different thing from before I didn't know about these concepts at all when I was it took a long time for me to research these concepts I had software I didn't have I didn't have connection to the internet all the time but I did have like so in a software that put me on events tactics but nowadays like sister streamers there's instructional videos there's yeah but pretty much that's yeah that's like the main avenue that people go to there's a chance knowledge to podcast that people should listen to I'm just saying that's a great place to go thanks I appreciate it I there's a few episodes in there too that I just treasure like young me was like I listen to it I'm like oh man I was I was really getting it in that episode really was really in the the episodes that I treasure the most is the chess principles episode and my very first one is really good and I think I there was an episode when you talk about temporary and permanent advantages to yeah but I really like the creativity episode in the principles one I think that's really important that that's like a timeless bit of information that I put a lot of work into well let's see did they make did they make the ones we we've got some questions on some of your podcasts so we'll find out later later on so I need to know it's for you know the fun of hosting a podcast is sometimes you ask a question knowing the answer and sometimes you ask a question absolutely having no idea what you're talking about and we leave it to the audience to figure out which one it is but why or how did you get the H1 nickname well I did explain this in other podcasts yeah so how I got the name it I would be dishonest if it was because of the Ripple H1 but as I was starting out I I was named H1 in one which is like a swine flu virus because I had it when I was like in sixth grade and so I was like I you know this would be like a catchy throw away username that I could use as I used to stream on Twitch when like nobody knew me like a long time ago and so that's where I started I was like you know let's just pick this let's just go with it it's my gamer tag and people have had crazy your gamer gamer tags but yeah that's where I started and then like as I started the podcast I was like well since the pandemic happened it probably wouldn't be appropriate to use the word of use H1 in one so let's short it it up to like H1 make it friendly and so now everybody knows me as H1 and I'm never going back to that name oh man okay so I know we know you started pretty young when you were when you started your chess career you were still scholastic you were you were a little feisty let's go with feisty when you were younger and how did how did the the tournament seem because I think you're isn't your instructing now you probably have some some kids but you're working with and they're going to tournaments now how did the tournament seem change since then I I think it's gotten bigger I would gas but well it kind of depends on where you live still and everything still has like changed a lot after the pandemic there's when when I was growing up there There was like a bigger one. scene of like kids going get it together going to the school like thousands of kids going to like a chest tournament things in that nature um but it could just be potentially where I live but there's not really like a big um big tournament like that anymore and so it it still does depend on where you live but after the pandemic it did change a lot of things of how things are ran um what things are takes priority right pretty much I think what happened and so yeah do you have a preference over online versus over the board and between blitz rapid classical for you personally and then just for your students even for all of us what's the best way to learn these you know I was supposed to learn chess yeah I will always recommend over the board um I just think it's pretty awkward you know when you go to like your first chess tournament and you've been playing online uh um the whole time you like have a high rating event you still switch up the King and Queen it's humorous but you know it's it's just some things that like I used to get teased over when I was starting chess that like nowadays it's kind of like a normal thing for you know you find somebody oh they don't know how to set up the board yeah like correctly which is pretty humorous to me but I I would say um over the board is always the best way get that human interaction online is so disconnected it's a good way to get connected with chess because if you don't have any other clubs near you of course if you like live in a small town but um yeah if you live in a big city there there should be like a bunch of clubs or like little nooks that you can go into to like play other people and like I said the human interaction um um is is amazing the connection that you can have the friends that you can do then like you can have steady partners it's it's nothing can defeat that yeah and so yeah and and then plus on the time patrol part well so any I would say nowadays anything that um guides you towards your goals so for example if you're just trying to have fun and then you you enjoy bullet just just play bullet then like honestly if you're trying to improve in the best way possible um and like the next year or so yeah you should probably play longer time patrols rapid and classical I would say I'll go to a like classical tournament even better than online rapid because we know like cheating is prevalent online and uh honestly like what's a killer to like most e-loses um you know you you play like a few rapid games and then you realize oh one of the people were cheating because you got the points back you know somebody was cheating and so now you're discouraged and now you're on a you're on a losing streak and you're tilting so to avoid all that just play over the board classical that's like the best improvement that um that you could do but um like I said like um if there's no tournaments around you yes playing online rapid is best if you still need something a little bit faster just to keep your um like kids nowadays just need like something faster you can't avoid it you know it is what it is so blitz is the next best that you can do um right now there are techniques to improve in blitz um that is different but at the same same time you just got to do what you're capable of doing in your situation so so real quick about your game your personal game what do you what do you think you're pretty good at relative to your peers and what do you think needs a little bit of little bit of love hmm so I think I'm pretty like I think my intuition on certain things is is pretty good like if I feel like something is just going wrong I know exactly if I'm if I miss the move or if I'm losing or not or if something's going down the wrong path um for me I everybody can work a little bit on calculation calculation is so important to chess especially as you get stronger you just can't avoid it you got to learn to visualize and calculate other than that um another thing for me is my endgame I could I could practice a little bit more on but that's like things that like all chess players above a certain rating is usually calculation more calculation which that can that can help out the endgame too like yeah honestly if we just pointed at calculation that's that's the main thing for everybody I could see that I could uh I can share some of those so uh so if you were to say you know how how fluent are you in like chess history and then the really good players in the past uh it depends on what we're talking about if we're talking about it's specific enough we're good so if you said who do you play like stylistically maybe not to their level maybe or who do you wish you played like four balls you can answer both if you want you get the bonus points then you know you get paid twice as much as we agreed all right oh my goodness gracious but like so I did the chess personality here's like a chess personality website I think chess.com has one there's like another one too but they always said um I've got his first name botanic okay I think it's Michele isn't it Michele bot mmm that sounds right I don't know I don't know but whatever they they always give me the personality of like a positional attacker um like every time that I take that personality test and so that's what I go with I'm like okay this is this is it like and when I see his games I'm like oh yeah that that makes sense I would make all of those moves um if I was as smart as him you know I would make all those moves now if it's funny when you go through your chess journey too you want to play like Michele tall when you're like beginning chess you you want it like everybody does but at the same time it just goes completely against your chess personality and so like like even though everybody wants to play like this famous attacker Bobby Fisher garricka sparrow all these like popular attackers is just for the majority of the people it just doesn't work out like if I give away a pawn if I gambit off a pawn I'm I'm feeling nervous and I want to have my pawn back yeah I don't care about the activity I got I want I want to have my pawn back yeah unless you can see it to the end right yeah unless I can actually there's like some visible advantages now you'll get you'll here's my philosophy on that pawn issue you'll get it back yeah I wish I could be like that but I try try because this is what happens you play so much chess and then like um you get to a certain rainy you get to a certain like every chess player that's above like 1500 has PTSD let's just get that way you just have like you just worry about so much when you get to a certain point where now you're like oh I don't know if I'm gonna get that pawn back but I wish that I could just play chess like I get it back eventually you know yeah I used to believe that too and then like yeah at a certain point you're like well I'm gonna be realistic about chess here and I'm probably not gonna get that piece back come on at least die all right but because even when you're a kid you know you think you want to be an astronaut or a firefighter then you're like let's do something more stable realistic let me go into uh I don't I T you know I'm gonna be a national you grow up and you're an accountant right they won't start the same thing happens with your chest journey is just like it sucks right but at least at least you don't you know I did the Chessaverse you know Chessaverse um the website uh oh the I am John or thalamus it's his thing and others you've got other people working them and they it's really it's all you're playing bots and but there's it's a whole training thing on there it's really pretty cool and uh but they have a chess personality thing and I did it and it's hilarious I my chess personality was a bad magnus oh that must be a fun one yeah a bad magnus but you're bad but you're bad that's what I told you so if you're basically like Magnus before he became great yeah that's a compliment like no because I can become the good magnus no you're the only one that could become a good magnus yeah I know it was great I was like I told Bill that I said wow I saw Magnus I was great and then I read the whole thing yeah but you're not a good magnus you're bad I'm like wow maybe I should just give up right now yeah the the thing we like about Chessaverse is the bots are very human like so the rating may not be what you agree like if you think it's 1500 you may not be a 1500 for what you're thinking but they play you know at their relative level on their own elo scale but they're they play kind of more humanish. - Right, you know, and if that's what you like doing, yeah, that's awesome on like AI bots. I used to play AI bots a lot when I was like starting now playing chess and, you know, I would, man, there was B, I was, I had this chess master game on, it was a PlayStation 2, I had this chess master game, and I would just play bots on there all the time, and I would get so angry at certain characters on there. - Yeah, yeah, because they, each played in a sort of way, they had their own personality. There was this woman named Barry on there that was like, at 1000, E-Lo, and that was like, I remember the intense passion I had when I was like nine years old, just like trying to beat this lady. (laughs) She's 1000, E-Lo. But yeah, it's, you know, those fun times. - Can you, can you share with us, you don't have to. Yeah, can you share with us what you're, what you're rating is over the board? - Oh yeah, or, you know. - So over the board, my rating is 1865. I need to get that up, because I didn't have a lot of time to play a lot of over the board chess, you know? - More chess. - Yeah, father, two kids, et cetera. (laughs) That just, that's still pretty good. - Oh, 65. - Yeah. - No, it just swoops your whole life away. And you realize, ah, I got these priorities now. - Right, right. - But yeah, but my chess.com rating, my bullet rating, at the moment right now, it could go down 200 points at any moment. It's 2500, my blitz rating is 2400, and my rapid rating on chess.com is 2400. So, it's like 2400. - It's like 2400. - 2400, then. - Yeah, but chess is so tricky, where. And I try to keep this mindset too. Anybody can drop under 200 points, you know? Just to keep, just to make sure like, if you ever lose something, if you ever lose that rating points, you're not just filling like, super down and upset. I used to feel like that when I was younger. I'm like, "Why did I do that? Why am I playing so horribly this week or today?" And it's just the game of chess, you know? Sometimes, you have your bad days. But when you're 600, 200 hurts a lot more, probably. - Yeah, right, right. But it makes sense. So, the scale goes, and this is how I see it, and other players see it, is that you're either a capable of going under your rating 200, or above your rating 200. So, a 600 player is capable of playing like 800 player some days, or a capable of playing like 400. - Right. - It's just how it goes. And so, chess is just a weird game. - Yeah, for sure, for sure. - So, I can segue now. We had a few of your podcast episodes. See, the great thing about you being a guest and having a podcast is I can pick out little episodes and say, "Hey, let's talk about that." So, you had an episode that was on dealing with pressure and nerves on the chess, especially over the board. Now, we know a few people who have that issue, you know, early on, the doctor and I were playing just practicing, and then for no reason, like we're friends, we're very competitive. Well, maybe me more than him, but whatever. Now, my mouse would actually shake, and I misclicked one time 'cause my hand was shaking, and it's so stupid. I know people who only wanna play bots instead of playing real people online. Obviously, you don't play bots a lot of, I guess, too often. But, well, you do, but the other person is at the trouble, bad chest joke. But, you know, is there something, some kind of guidance you can have that you could tell people, like talk them off the cliff 'cause chess is supposed to be fun, and chess is supposed to be like an interchange of people, ideally, if you're over the board. And, you know, that's kind of part of the fun. - Well, some people are just nervous. Honestly, I would say there are some very nervous grandmasters, and I would just say, like, own it. (laughs) Just being nervous. Now, obviously, that's horrible to misclick and be so nervous. Okay, so we need to fix that habit. But, if your heart rate is going up, that's just part of the game of chess. They're streamers that have, like, heart monitors, and it, like, you know, they look calm on the outside, but their heart is racing pretty high because they're like facing off against, like, somebody that's really good. And so, yeah, it's the same concept of just, it's okay to be nervous. It's okay to be nervous. Now, the more that you play, the more you're gonna get used to that situation. And so, hopefully, like, after you play a lot of chess games, I don't know how many for that person it would be, but hopefully, you would just get used to how your body changes throughout. Now, you can. Now, I don't know if you tried, like, drinking water, or, like, I know I've played some kids in turn of us at, like, eight peanuts. They had headphones before it became, like, a big thing, and, like, the kids used to wear headphones at chess tournaments, listen to music. How's some other strategies? But, no, I've seen really good players. They even, like, shake their leg when they're, like, playing, like, a bullet match. And, you know, and they're still playing good moves. So, you just gotta. Yeah, you should be able to control it in a sentence of not doing bad moves. It shouldn't, you should, like, avoid doing bad moves, but own the nervousness. Yeah. I mean, it's not like if you lose, your opponent gets to come over and slug you, you know? It's just a game. You win, or you learn. And, like, if you don't like playing chess, obviously, don't play it. But, I think it's, like, really fun as. I don't know if it's mainly chess. I know for some people they don't want to play, like, kids at tournaments. And so, you just go to a adult tournament. Like, there's adult-only tournaments or don't-only clubs. Like, I went. We have a club here. It's at a bar, you know, people, like, drink in and. Right. Eating in playing chess is just like a fun atmosphere, not too serious. It's just completely different. And so, you should definitely not do something that you don't like, that you're not having fun doing. I find that over the board is less nerve-wracking than online. Mm, okay. 'Cause you can misclick. You can, you know, you can lose concentration. There's a lot of things that can happen when you're, you know, put over the board or distraction. Yeah, over the board, I find. I find it relaxing, mm-hmm. You know? And I think, too, that subject, I think, is just what you start with first. Because I've heard the opposite from, like, other people were in the middle of the line, then they feel more comfortable online, they feel more comfortable calculating. Sometimes when they, like, with people that start off playing online, it's hard for them to, like, calculate over the board and it's hard for them to see all the pieces. There is one kid that I played in a tournament, like, I've got to feel his last year or this year, but he didn't see, like, his queen was being attacked and he was like, I just didn't, it just blanked my, and he's a good player. Like, I've seen his rating online. I was like, oh, it's not, you're, you're a good player. They just don't have that experience playing over the board. And so, yeah, the, it can happen vice versa, you know? Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah. We're part, just a different time. Absolutely. So, you had an episode that goes over classical chess that was passing away. Are you still on that train? Are you, are you kind of modifying it a little bit? Or are you kind of, what do you think? Classical, now, I'm not gonna lie. I did forget what I exactly said in that episode. That's okay, but I'm not gonna quiz you on it. - Yeah, but me right now, I enjoy classical chess. I've always had, I, like, if I could spend a day just watching a classical tournament, I would. But it just seems like, to me, like, people are just trying to go towards like faster time controls, even like Magnus Carlson. He does a, a care for classical chess too much. So Carl and I come more, all these like top players care less about classical chess because they view it as like, and maybe that's not like how they really view it many, I don't know, but it just seems like people are just trying to get away from classical chess into something that's more commercially, that's more, that can like capture the eyes of other viewers commercially. And so it's not, I would hope that classical chess wouldn't pass away completely, but at the same time, like if it can bring more funding, because I know this goes into like chess politics. If it can bring more funding to players that are grandmasters in chess, that would be like a net benefit for everybody. And so, yeah, it's just not like the older days anymore. It's not like the days where you play this, you're playing as a game of chess, you're only thinking about this game, and then they used to adjourn the game until the next day. And it's like, I don't, I don't know if we're ever going to get back to that era of chess. Because that, that's really pure chess. Like people were really trying to figure out the truth of the position. But in this time of AI and like, these kids are so, I mean, coup caches for him to become a world champion at the age of 18 is insane. It's crazy. So it's just a different time. But I saw that Fida changed times that they're going to have 45, 45, 10 or whatever and 60, whatever, 60 plus, I forget what it is. They're going to lower some of the times. So not all of that, that'll be official. Not all of them are going to be 90 minute plus games. So I thought that was interesting that they're trying to, they want to keep classical chess, but they might understand that, okay, six hours, where you and I might think that's glorious, right? Six hours for a game for the audience. Because I'm like you, I can watch old tournament. I can, you know, and I think my son plays Blitz chess. And it's funny because he's, he said, because I was talking about other time controls because I just, I love that dopamine hit. I enjoy it. Yeah. Yeah. So, and I, and I get it. And it's true. And you're watching people play Blitz, you know, three, two or whatever it is. You're like, wow. You know, they're making some, you know, great moves, calculating quickly. So I can see your, you know, the adrenaline of it. Can why that's fun to watch. It is, I mean, I, fun to watch. So just, I can't move that or think that fast. Yeah. There's, there's kids playing. I know this is not everybody's cup of tea, all right? And I know this isn't, it's still chess, but it's not like the purest form of chess. But there's people playing like 10 second chess online. It's, it's great. And I, and I talked to these people as like kids and like 3000 rated, like teenagers. And yeah, they, that's what they enjoy. They enjoy. And, and you might be surprised, but like they're doing, there's somebody's kids that's doing like, they're still calculating. They're still doing real tough. They're still checkmating you in this time. And it's, it's just fascinating. It's like, wow, this is, this is crazy. Now, it's another form of chess. But at the same time, like it's like the, the same principles that is being played, more tricks, more flagging. It's, it's just fun. It's like, um, it's like when a teenager goes through like a, um, a rebellious phase. It's got to like, it's got to like that. No, but I think it's, yeah, I think it's sour. I think it's all right, though. I mean, I know people make it, I might not like it or be good. I just, I mean, it's not you that I don't like it. I just not good at it. I like to watch it. And I think it's, it's okay. I mean, it's okay to have all the, all of it. We can have all of it. You don't have to, what I find interesting is how some people just put it down. And I'm like, well, it might it's okay if it's not for you, but they're playing chess. Like you said, and it's, they're having a good time. Good for them. Right, right. I, I kind of be what I was like, different variants like Buckhouse or something. Yeah. It's just a different variant that people enjoy doing. I mean, yeah, some people just want to have fun in chess. I went to the, I forgot what it's called. Oh my goodness. There's like a big scholastic tournament. USCF hosted. I forgot what it's called. Oh my goodness. But oh, there's like a whole bunch of title players there that was just playing Buckhouse. Like they don't even play real chess on their off time. They know, like you would think that it like them having fun is just playing Blitz. But no, it's like playing Buckhouse in like other forms of chess. Like, so it's having fun and being competitive is just two different things. And I do get both sentiments, though. Right. Now on the classical on Fide making it shorter, yeah, it's just the older way of classical is somewhat passing away. I'm pretty sure they're still going to be sectors of like different tournaments. They're still going to host. Of course, so it's not going to like completely pass away. But yeah, if they can get more eyes, more views on it. If we can have like a boom similar to like the the Mag this Carlson and Hosni Monskando and like all the other things that happen the past six years, then I think it can, it can be a net positive. It can be a net positive. So yeah, well, I think I think it's, I think it's like tennis, you know, we're in the grand slams. They play three out of five sets, right? So I can see we're like in those bigger, the, you know, the big, big tournaments. They play this 90 minute things and then in, but there'll be more tournaments that'll be the 60 and 45, you know, more people will play and be part of that. And, you know, and that'll be, that'll be good too, you know, be like the two out one out of two out of three sets that are in most tournaments and in tennis, which I like watching those two, you know, right? You know, so this has nothing to do with what I planned on talking about, but I've got this idea and I'm not like a chess historian or, you know, I'm not married to everything that's that's gone in the past. Why don't we have like a shot clock with a couple of timeouts? Like, you know, take the basketball model. You got 24 seconds, you know, in the first move that you got, it can have a short amount of time. You get 24 seconds. If you only take one second, you know, because in the opening, your first move, you, E four, I think I can do that under 24 seconds, right? You know, and then if you just like two or three timeouts, that would be much more TV friendly. I think because you could kind of figure out how long the game was going to be. And, you know, I think that would be, you know, but, but we, instead we do it the other way where you can sit there and they can bomb out, you know, let's say 30 moves. And then they just sit there for 70 minutes. It's just like, this is not great TV guys. It's not, I think the thing is that we, because we're geared for TV, we're saying, well, they're not doing anything. No, no, those guys after, they're calculating. Oh, I'm not saying they're not doing something. I'm just saying, if you're watching on TV, you're not going to get somebody to watch a tournament on TV where a guy can sit there looking at some pieces of wood. And I'm not being insulting. I'm just saying they're, they're really just looking at pieces with some people. Like somebody that knows nothing about chess, that's completely right. They're just like, they're not really going to go at least with like, at least with like tennis, okay, you understand that they, they have a racket. Yeah, like hit in a ball across the net. Like, what chess is kind of like, oh, this is, if you don't know nothing about it, it's like, there's no like context clues where you would ever get it. Listen, they can change the channel, Bill. Wow, doctor. This is where the doctor and I go opposite directions because the good people and, you know, like, I think I could use a 90 minute game because I am not that fast. I'm not that good. And it's going to take me a while to figure out the really good people can still play really good chess a whole lot faster because they know so much more. They, they have so many more things in their mind. Like, it doesn't take Magnus 60 minutes in 99.99% of the positions. He doesn't need 60 minutes. He doesn't need 15 minutes. You know, a shot clock wouldn't be a bad thing. I think, I think you could get that like a, at the top level professional, like they had used to have a professional chess league. I heard about maybe something like that might work because then you can kind of sit there and, you know, there's at least some action because you can only have a person talking about what moves they could be playing for so long before somebody's like, but what are they really going to do? Like, you know, it was like when basketball didn't ever shot clock in college, Dean Smith had the four corners and he used to throw the ball around. This is before you were born. And they make like 20 shots in the half because, you know, just sit on the ball and make it flat. You know, there's a shot clock. You know, that's called the good old days. Wow. That's called doctors high school. But anyway, a shot clock does make sense. It would be an interesting concept. I think they are trying like they got the analytics on their side. They tried to do the chess 960. I think they are trying. And hopefully, I don't, okay, so we're probably not going to be on like NBA standards of like players making money. But if we can get close to even like tennis, golf, et cetera, like that would be great because what are we at right now? So World Champion, they get like two mill, maybe like two mill to get to become World Champion. And so like, yeah, if we can get that up there, like, yeah, if you get more eyes, make it more desirable for like a casual beer, then yeah, more money will roll in. Like there should be a, you know, like time X or Rolex or somebody should sponsor. Yeah. Yeah. You know, if there's this thing called a chess clock, you know, it's kind of important to the game. And you know, I just got to figure out how to make things more appetizing for the general public. Yeah, I mean, the rumor on the street, you know, because you know, my experience being a top 10 player in the world, rumor on the street like the top 10 or 20 people are the only people who can make a living off of it. and that's kind of sad when you think about how good they're because, you know, we suck. I'm not grouping you in there each one, but we grew up in there. I'm losing to Magnus Carlson. Yeah, but we realized we realized it's a totally different game. You can truck Magnus Carlson, I don't know if you're right. That's truck Magnus. Or bad Magnus. You can be bad Magnus any time you want there. Anytime, anytime. I can hook you up with bad Magnus. You want to feel good about your chest. I'll tell you. Look at that. We're doing things. I never realized it. You can play the doctor and you can beat bad Magnus and you can beat me and you can beat Billy Fisher. And it sounds, you know. Yeah, it's so close. Yeah, but I'll find the scorecard sloppy. It'll look just like it. It'll be fine. But yeah, I want to go back to that point. You set the top 20 players that the only ones make it a living out of chess. If we can expand that, that would be great. Yeah. I don't know how many players is in NBA, like a hundred and something. Well, there's 12 for a team and there's 30 teams. So that's three, almost 400 probably with the, I'm sure they have reserves and stuff. Okay. Well, there's not that many grindmasters. So well, I think there is like 500 grindmasters. I think there's more than just a couple of thousand. Yeah, but yeah, if we can get more than like top, like, yeah, no, we should be able to do way more than just top 20 being able to make a living or a decent living for that matter. So even the, even the top 125 tennis players make a living. Top 125 tennis players can make a decent living. So I don't see why 50 to 100 grandmasters, you know, we can't, you know, if this is such a great game, feed the talks about how important it is. Well, call for the money. Yeah. And that's in the players' filet. I think that's the problem nowadays and why there's certain players that get mad at streamers because they're making more money than them. And yeah, it's just a whole, it's just a whole mess. But if everybody could just work together, get more viewers and bring like just that, just help out with the chess economy. So what's interesting is when I, okay, so on YouTube, there's like a working out economy on YouTube. And there's so many different types of content. There's like a plethora of contours, like a guy that does construction workers against office workers. But it's like working out education. Like I don't know why we don't have something like that in chess. But you know, there's so much, there's so many things to expand on on the internet, on the online space. And I don't know, we'll see, we'll see with this next era of people that's making content. Yeah. I think Akara's doing okay. Struggling. Yeah, but he's retiring pretty soon. Yeah, he's not going to be here forever. He's been, so that he's still going to be us, though, buddy. Yeah, he is. He's going to be me till like, ever like, maybe. But the interesting thing about like online chess, because I started off watching people like Jon Bertholomew, Eric Hanson, King Crusher, etc. Like all these people, I thought it was fascinating. I was like, well, chess in one minute, this is crazy. And they're like calculated and this is amazing. I didn't know this existed. And then when her car knocked a moral came out, I was like, oh, there's even better. Like, this is insane. He's been in people without a queen getting up to 3000 ELo. Like, yeah, this is, but I, I'm just trying to figure out what we, where we can go next after. I don't know what's next, because we, I've already seen players like, I just got done talking about 10 second chess is I've already seen things get old. And so it not that I'm still not into. I still love watching title Tuesday as an experienced player, but we need to bring some more normies in. I wonder if part of the problem, I don't know if it's a problem. I feel like Magnus and Hikaru, they're bored. They're bored of like the way, that's why 960 is fascinating. They're bored with the way classical is is run and how long it takes and all these kind of things. And the lack of challenge too, because 960, you know, that's challenging, right? That's a new challenge that's out there. So I just, and Magnus looks bored all the time anyways, but I was just thinking about that. I was like, I wonder if they're just, you know, it's just the whole classical scene is just boring to them and they need a new challenge. Yeah, that's probably so bad. They played a plethora of games and he's, I think Magnus Carlson could have easily won another decade or so world champion. And so, yeah, they get, when you're the best in the world or something, and Hikaru Nakamura just hit 3,500 and Blitz on chess.com, it's kind of like what other thing is there for you to achieve? And so for them, it's like, okay, well, I mean, they're starting, they're making, they have a wife now, they got kids, yeah, they're, they're moving on. And I don't know if 960 is, I don't know, like 960 had two big pushes and I don't know exactly if it worked. I'm, I'm kind of have mixed feelings on 960, because like for me, I still haven't even figured out one chess, like I still haven't even heard out. I still try to figure out this type of chess. And I don't, like, like 960 is just unusual for me, is it's not even, so you, and then usually in my mindset, I watch classical tournaments because I want to figure out the open is that they're playing and like try to implement it. I like watching players that play my openings. And so when I watch a 960 tournament, I'm a little bit uninterested in it in the first 30 minutes or so, because I, I'm not getting what I need out of it now. And so, as a, as a player. And so, yeah, mixed feelings on that, not saying that it's not good or, or fun. Yeah, I've kind of got a theory that the, the, well, both for Magnus and for 960, I think that they, eventually they just get tired of figuring out openings, because it's not like they have to work on their middle game a lot. I think it's pretty solid, you know, I think they're okay. And their end game is pretty good, you know, that's not, but they're always looking for like these little sidelines of a sideline of a sideline to try and get something out of the opening. And I think that, that prep is probably, you know, the worst part of it for the, I think, for that. Magnus even set that in a interview like is that was like that. I think that's like one of the reasons why he didn't want to pretend that last time, because it's, it's so much work into like, looking for these less common mood. I mean, I just made a video like a short about it. I think today is like the higher up you go in competition. Yeah. Yeah. The higher up you go in competition, the less common moves that you have to find, because you don't want to play this game, especially Grandmasters do this all the time. You don't want to just play this game with somebody that's lower rated than you on who could remember more when you know kids have a sponge type of memory. And so it's like as a grown adult, that pays taxes. I'm not going to play this game with you. It's just not happening. And so yeah, they got to find these less common moves. And for them, like, I, they have seconds, they have, they have like one second, yeah, they have whole teams of people working on this and putting in a lot of hours, like eight hours a day. And I can understand how that could just be exhausting. Yeah, or at least, you know, not fun. Yeah. I mean, how much fun can that be? I can't imagine it. You know, that's the part that, oh, I love chess because I get to go, you know, that doesn't seem to be high on the list of the top 10 reasons to play chess. No, that's probably not it. Hey, it's about the work. Yeah, it's about the work. But I mean, you know, it's spending, let's figure they have, let's say they have a team of six people in each work eight hours a day. So that's 48 hours plus whatever the player does. So let's say they do six because they have to play two and all that stuff. So that's like over 50 hours per game prepping and opening that may go away after move two or may last till move, I don't know, 50. Who knows? You know, that how much fun can that be? That doesn't sound like a good time. Yeah. And not everybody has the same mindset either. Like Geirka Sparov, he just dominated, you know, like he was willing to like contend with anybody that wanted to challenge him until somebody took his reign. Yeah, not everybody is like that. And I was going to say too, just to piggyback on the last point is that it's probably more exciting for the contender than the player that's been world champion for a decade. Yeah, it's probably more exciting for him. Well, it's one sided for Magnus, right? Like he's supposed to win. So he doesn't leave the get any out of boys for winning. But if he doesn't win, oh my god, you know, that can't be fun. I mean, Jordan, very tired for almost two years. Maybe Magnus is going to play baseball. Now what a lot of people has been theorizing locally. is that like it would be funny if Magnus Carlson like came back to reclaim the rock chantish just randomly on like a one year that would that would be hilarious because he gets invited to the candidate's turn of it every year because he's still the highest rated chess player in the world. And so he literally could just take that spot. Yeah, but yeah, I was wondering if Kasparov could come back if he wanted to because he's still like chess doesn't decay your rating like tennis does, you know. So he's still got a really high rating. I just think he's listed as inactive. What if he just played a couple games that said, hey, I'm in the candidate. That'd be so amazing to watch him play again, but I don't think it's. I don't know. I saw him play a they had a special thing there in St. Louis between him and top of love. Yeah, you know, yeah, top of one. I want a couple. I think you I'm not sure if you won the whole thing. I can't remember. I think maybe he did. I don't know what he games they played, but the older you get, the tougher it is. I don't ever think it's that either. I think it's just he's such a busy person in politics, right? Yeah. I got his book. I got his book and I got a sign book by Kasparov and yeah, he's like really I would think that he's like super busy and everything else other than chess. Like it would take a lot of work for him to go back to spend eight hours. It doesn't have grand kids. I don't know too much about like yours for us family, but you know, it's just different things take priority. He's busy for sure. He's busy. Yeah, definitely busy. He is for sure. You know what? H1 or as I like to call you the rook. We haven't even scratched the beginning of the thousands of questions that we have for you, but before we go, there's a listener question. What's going on with the podcast? Is it coming back? Is there a chance? There is a chance of the podcast coming back. I'm so I've been trying to do like video on the podcast and so there's a chance there's going to be a reboot of podcast videos and so yes, it's going to be on Apple, it's going to be on Spotify, it's going to be on whatever you listed a podcast on and it will be coming back. It's going to I'm excited for it because honestly, like I remember the first episode and I was it's kind of inspirational kind of embarrassing too, but I did the first episode in my car. Like I was recording off my phone in my car. Like just trying to get this information out. I was like, I don't know if this has got to go anywhere, but whoever needs to hear this, they're going to hear it. And you know, I was even thinking about, oh yeah, everybody just sit in their house in 2020. Of course, this would be like the perfect opportunity to start a podcast. I was even thinking like that. I just wanted to share it for some reason in my life. Every time I go away from chess, it's like something that's like guiding me back. And so like I just need to figure out, I just need to always be teaching chess. Even in my old like even if I get older, I need to figure out a way to teach chess. Because it always comes back. So yeah, it's not I've always enjoyed doing unpodcast episodes. And yeah, I can't wait to publish the first episode season. What season would you be actually forget what season you're in the effort? Because your seasons were a little weird. I don't know if it's on I don't know if it's seasons anymore. It everything changed on the the app that I used to publish it on. And the company got bought out that I used to publish the episodes on. So because you used to say you're coming back for next season. It's just like. Yeah. And so I don't know if it's going to be exactly a season anymore, but just definitely weekly episodes. That'd be fun. Your voice is missed, sir. Thank you. You're great. You're great. And the doctor doesn't like anybody. I don't know if it's I like encouraging I like people that are encouraging, you know, that that teach and I felt like you and have energy. And when I listen to your different Instagram post section sessions, whatever they're they're calling. I was like, wow, this is great. A lot of energy. I learned something. You know, that's why I like that. And I like that you're a younger person that's doing this because the more kids, you know, we get to play chess, especially, but to be quite honest, especially, you know, young ladies and people of color to play that, you know, the better it is. And I think that you're a good role model to teach chess. So I appreciate you. Yeah. Thanks. I appreciate. I appreciate everybody watching the videos. Like the videos is different that I that I'm making now that I did before because I'm more talked about like principles of chess or like things that people don't really that's not really outspoken, but like people just learn subconsciously. But yeah, I just want people to think in chess. I want to bring creativity back. Then like people just like watching one video that has millions of views on openings is like it's pointless because those those millions of people are playing that opening and now that whole video is a common like opening line. So like if you're trying to yeah, like it doesn't make sense to you got to do your own homework. And I wanted to emphasize too, like without people being creative, that's we wouldn't have openings like the alien gambit. We wouldn't have we just wouldn't have a lot of creativity if we just did everything that like AI wanted us to do is yeah. And that's like the whole other conversation itself that I'll probably need to spend like a whole 30s to an hour on. But yeah, people are just way too dependent, like the human aspect is still there. But yeah, not I enjoy teaching chess like I really do. You can tell you can tell that's what's great about you can tell you you eat and breathe the chess. Oh, I know I know what you said we're going to we're going to cut here. I just one more question. Tell me how you how did your family feel about you and chess? Yeah, I every time I go on YouTube, my face is there. So my daughter's like, you're on TV. I was like, yeah, that's that's my videos. And yeah, they they enjoy chess. They like I haven't taught them chess yet. I want them to have that like just like how I was growing up. I just wanted to get closer with my brother. So I just learned how to play chess from that. So it was like an innate thing. I want to see that with with my kids too. I don't want to just like put a show on them chess and like chess is traumatizing like if we're being honest here, there's a lot of dark there's a lot of dark nights that I had, meaning like there's a lot of bullet games out of play. I lost 10 games in a row. You know, that does look to a person psyche. I always say like chess in the first year is a very humbling experience because you're you're just losing without no benefit. You're not winning a game for like a very long time. And so I don't want to just do that to a kid that's not happy about playing the game. That's that's kind of my mindset. I know people have different mindsets on that. But yeah, me, the wife, we used to like teach chess together, funny, funnily enough. I don't know if she still knows how to play chess currently right now. But yeah, she's she's always been a very supportive. She's always been very supportive. Well, it was a pleasure having you on. It's always exciting to have people that are way less than half her age and way more than twice our elo on the podcast. It's a it's fantastic and good news that we'll be hearing more from you and we'll keep watching on the as the doctor says the IG and YouTube and wherever else. So if people want to watch what where would the all the links in the everything be for them so they can keep up with you. Yeah, just any platform that you're all like just put in chess knowledge with H1 on Google search or H1 chess and you should find everything that I'm on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Spotify, yeah, like literally I have plethora of content everywhere. And if you watch streamers, I still have my old vods out on Twitch so you can watch though. I think I have all my vods on YouTube too that you can see that I was streaming. But yeah, I've been doing content for a bit now. Yeah, couple a couple of days. And every now and then love you'll scream your name at the top of his lungs, you know, just just so it's a code. I know that I broke the code. He's talking to you. I knew it. You know, let's just tell love you that, you know, like hey, stop, stop saying my name, sir, without my permission. Stop saying my name. Get your name out of my mouth. Yeah, I was going to wear the shirt that I have of his that said, the rook on it, but I figured that was a little overkill, so, you know. Next time I have you on, I'll wear it for you. There you go. All right, sounds good. All right, sir. I mean, thank you for having me on, Bill, and the doctor, and you know, keep on fighting until the end. Stay focused on Chesson in real life, too. All right. All right. We'll give it a run. Thank you, sir. Thanks. Good night. Bye. Hey, hey, hey, we show up after the clock. Coffee gone, boards unlocked. You moving night, I'm moving my mind. Late to Chess, right on time. Late to Chess, late to Chess, we make a mess. 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