Kyrie Irving, Drew Barrymore, Idris Elba and Paul Rabil

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But there are times where light shines through the truth, and you have to spread it out. And I do my best to be available and give that warm invite to all walks of life. Drew Barrymore. I try to think about everything that we come together on. Or to have an attitude. But I've tried to carry that out in a much deeper, daily way. Idris Elba. When you play a bad character, a character that has, like, no redeemable qualities, there's something really satisfactory about that when you don't come from that place. And Paul Rabel. Part of what we do now is through healing, I think, lacrosse's Northeast exclusive kind of prep school reputation. It's understanding ways to connect with other people. Check it out. Like, I'm such a news junkie. We've never lived in a time where we are this forced to look at everything for better or worse. You cannot turn away from it. I was going to say, do you ever shut it off? Yeah, but for, like, a day. Max. And then I'm on it again. I don't think we're forced. I think we're conditioned. Yes. It's a conditioning now, for sure. Because, you know, everything from the way it's displayed to us to the device that we get it on is designed to keep your attention. Yes. You know, and it's a cycle because that feeds ratings. Ratings feed a story. And before you know it, you know, we're all sort of engrossed in something. Yeah. It's interesting also, like, Kai, you have a different situation. Because during the season, you have literally microphones on your face. How do you deal with that? Like, just the constant media, I don't want to call it scrutiny, but, like, obligation you have, right, as part of your job? Yeah. It's wearing the crown, honestly. It comes with it. We all say it. Easier said than done. I mean, dealing with it in my shoes is difficult at times, I'll be honest. But there are times where light shines through the truth. And you have to spread it out. And I do my best to be available. And give that warm invite to all walks of life. I think that's such a lifelong North Star of a goal for me. Like, to not alienate people. Absolutely. To find the common denominator. We all have stories. How do you do that? Because it's definitely so important to me to find a way to, like, I love toilet paper. Because we all use it. I'm like, there. Is a fantastic common denominator. I mean, it's everywhere. It's something everybody kind of engages in. And I try to think about everything that we come together on or to have an attitude. But I've tried to carry that out in a much deeper daily way. How do you do it? I had to figure out what my moral compass and code was going to be. And I went searching down my family lineage. And if we continue to say, as a human race, we've been here for hundreds of thousands of years, then I think people in the past got it right. We don't have to keep trying to change history all the time and manipulate it to be pretty again. It's like, there's an ugliness to it. And I like that just as much as I enjoy the beauty. I am willing to serve a bigger purpose than myself. And that means that I'm willing to take the lead as well as be a passenger on someone else's journey. And just listen and grow throughout that. So I do my best to stay in that balanced place. And really learn about the indigenous ways of living, which is Mother Earth first. Of course. By the way, Paul, for you guys to know, he started a professional lacrosse league, which is a fucking big deal. Congrats to you. And it's going. He's got a deal on ESPN. That's amazing. You're the founder of a league, and you feel like you're one of the pillars of lacrosse. Do you feel a responsibility now? No question. The reason why I wanted to start a new league is that lacrosse is a native game to the Americas. And we don't know with full accuracy the history of the native people in the Americas. Some account for 70 million prior to 1492. But we do know that 95% of the population was wiped. And this is a lot of what you're close with through your mother, through your own bloodline. And in lacrosse, it's a game that they call Dehontik Wahas. It started in the Northeast, which is the Haudenosaunee people of Six Nations. And they played. They played for the creator. They called it the medicine game. And the version that you see that I played, grew up in loving, is a secular version. And part of what we do now is through healing, I think, lacrosse's Northeast exclusive kind of prep school reputation is understanding ways to connect with other people. And you look around, and there's just a lot of white people that play a sport. And it's an indigenous game. At the professional level, I was. I was embarrassed to tell people what I did. Isn't that like the white boy sport? And so you're like, fuck, man, you know. So what do you do? I'm a pro athlete. I mean, that was in my bio. You were just saying I'm a pro athlete. I'm a pro athlete. It's easier. So then I was like, man, this shit's got to change. You want to change the narrative of the way I see lacrosse. A hundred percent. And there's risk because you have your core audience that is like, no, don't talk about that. Like, lacrosse is great. Can I ask a question? Was there a moment in your life? Where you were first blown away by lacrosse and thought, this is what I want to spend my life doing? It was a buildup over time. Right. It wasn't as a kid. I didn't start playing until middle school. And it was because my neighbor gave me his backup stick. We grew up playing rec sports. That's it, though. That's the moment. That's the moment for me. Yeah, I got it. That sucked. My first shot went backwards. That's okay. I wanted to quit. I grew up playing hoops, soccer, track and field. And there were a lot of times in my career where I was like, I'm not going to play. And I was like, damn, I should have stuck with those. By the way, Drew, I want to ask you the same thing about, you were in fucking E.T. Yeah. How old were you in that movie? Six. Six? Did you want to do it? Did your parents have you do it? And at that moment, did you realize, this is what I want to do for a career? No. By that time, I had already been long in the tooth with working. At six, you were six? Yeah, I did my first commercial when I was 11 months old. diapers, not a euphemism. but I was born into a family that all did it. All did show business. But they were all dead and long gone. And my dad was a drug addict, and he didn't wear shoes, and he was really crazy but awesome and a character and sort of like Gollum meets Oscar Wilde on drugs. And he was just so cool and fascinating. And I could tell at a young age, I was like, oh, this guy's not capable of shit. So let's just love him for who he is, and not expect anything from him. And my mom, she worked as a waitress at the comedy store in the Troubadour. Single mom. I worked by day. She worked by night. When I was doing E.T., she was shooting. She also was an actress. She was in this movie, Night Shift, that Ron Howard directed. She was doing that, playing like hooker number 19 at night while I was doing E.T. in the day. And then she stopped to become my manager, and that's where everything fell to shit. And how long did she stay your manager? Well, at 14, I got emancipated by the courts, and I got out on my own. But I had been in an institution for two years before that. What a life you've lived. So I think one of your questions was going to be, do you think that for kids, going into the business is a good idea? And I would say, fuck to the no. Even with all your success early on, you had. That's the irony. I love my life. But I, as a parent, don't have the ability to say, it's a great idea because the statistics alone show what, and I think, I believe the answer is, what happened to me is you just get so much access. And my mom was bananas. My mom took me to Studio 54. What? She would get into the clubs, but I don't think that kids should live like adults. I have a question, though, really, technically. First of all, I want to start off by saying congratulations on that role. At six years old, you gave a performance that I think everyone basically mirrored some version of for the next 20 decades. I mean, two decades, real talk. Like your character and the naturalism that you brought was incredible. I just want to ask about that naturalism. I think that has a lot to do with Steven Spielberg making you, and I never felt the cameras in the room. I believe a camera is there to do its job of capturing, but it's another soul within like the group of people. And I know there are cables. I know ET is not real, and I know there's cables on that camera, but it just all falls away and you're so in the moment and you're so present. And I think a lot of people who kind of do a lot of cut and action and fanfare, like I'm a real, like, keep it rolling, keep it real, just be in it. Yeah. And Steven was really like that. And he really encouraged improv. He loved the naturalism. And I think, you know, he used to say, don't act your characters, be your characters. By the way, in this day and age, you know, like we don't get ET with the wires. It's a, it's a green figure or an X in the room and you act to the X. You like playing a hero and villain more, like which one gives you more satisfaction? And which one gives you more comfort? That's a great question. You play, you go back and forth. For sure. That felt like a little bit of both. Stringer Bell, you know, right down the middle. I feel like literally satisfaction comes from playing characters that feel as far removed from me as possible. All right. I consider myself a human being that is, you know, a little bit embracing of everything. So when you play a bad character, a character that has like no redeemable qualities. Yeah. There's something really satisfactory about that when you don't come from that place. Even within that, how, how soon do you feel like you're the character? Is it immediately day one you show up for both of you? Is it halfway through? Like when do you feel you're this character? I mean, I definitely do a lot of like studying and research and backstory. And I want to have a kind of a thought or an answer or like history as that person. And everything you do is. Show up so fucking prepared that that is the only point where you can let go and be free. It's so funny. You said about being prepared, you know, I've seen you do things and I've asked Bron like, holy shit, that movie goes. I've seen him do that in practice a hundred times. Yeah. Like the things you do on the court, like you're that over prepared for them and they just become. And do you remember the shit you did? Because there's one specific shot I think of me and Bron talk about that you made. The left floater. Left hand floater. Off the backboard on the baseline though. Yeah, yeah. With the angle. I couldn't believe. Yeah. Fuck making the shot. I couldn't believe you thought you could take that shot. Why? There's nobody in the history of game that got to that spot and jumped up and thought that was an option. Catholic school didn't let me stay left handed. Oh, you were left handed at first? Absolutely. Oh, wow. Oh, that's why you can't even tell. I was getting slapped on the hand for writing with my left hand. Oh, so you were born left handed. Yeah, that was old school. This was in college. I was born in 96. Do you write lefty? Yeah, I can do both. Wait, so when you put a ball in your left hand, how does it feel now? Natural. No, when you're watching players. Are you ambidextrous? It makes sense now though. Both sides of my brain are unlocked if you're asking. Yeah. Is one more creative and one more logical? That's why I wanted to ask you guys because what do you like to be described as? Actors as your role that you play or as artists? When you said you put pro athlete in your profile. So to speak. Yeah. I was like dating app or occupation. And I wanted to take a poll around the room and say, if you had to describe yourself in one or two words, what would it be? I love a genre-less life. It's beautiful to watch and appreciate that, but also do it yourself. I make music, I pray with ministers, I sit with everybody. You can think of, I'm sitting and observing and trying to learn. Artist just gives me, when I describe myself as an artist, it just gives me an opportunity to do whatever the fuck I want. You're an artist. Artist is vast. Absolutely. I feel like we all are. You're a creator. Yeah, creator, artist. The tool I choose to use as my paintbrush is my basketball. I've done it in my backyard since I was six years old. But when you're out there, are you thinking about the shit you're doing or are you just doing it? I am constantly crafting new canvases every time. Every time I grab that paintbrush, the ball. New canvas, new side on the court. It is literally just a hardwood floor with lines on it, but I disrespect those lines and go outside those boundaries because it's meant to. It's meant to be weak. And it's fun, right? Absolutely. Is it fun when you're losing? It's the fucking worst. I was just telling him, there's like, do you guys have an assassin's oath? What's that, Kai? You just love being in the water full of sharks. The best of the best. The man in the arena, just like always on. On that level. Just know everybody's a gladiator, just like you. Just like you. Losing is the assassin's oath of just, we don't want that. Do you flail when you're losing or does something kick in? Because if I'm spun out at work, I wonder if the work is good when I'm grasping and desperate. Yeah. I think that the thing about acting is that you're literally replicating things that people go through every single day. Right? If you're screaming and shouting in the middle of an argument, you're doing it. If your gut doesn't feel like that, it doesn't quite connect as actors. Losing is when you have to fabricate that. And the crew are like, okay, we're going to go one more. And you can tell everyone knows that this is a moment that the boom man's like. Yeah. If you want to stay in it, don't look at the crew. Don't look at the crew. You can tell when you're stinking it up or something's off. Yeah. And sometimes it's a time to let go even more or to try even harder and you never know which one's going to end up getting you there. And it's the same as when all of a sudden the shift has happened and you're on the down and you're trying to get back up, losing to winning. What is it that kicks in that gets you back to a better place? Absolutely. I mean, here's the thing. Here's how I think about losing and a lot of it is framing, but there's this misconception that people who are quote unquote successful at their craft, like all of you, are just more talented than everyone else. And while that may be the case, you have more risk aggression. You've put yourself in more situations where you have failed and lost. So you build resilience. Like those who win, lose because like our winning is like what's celebrated, it's remembered, but our growth comes from our losses. Tenfold, man. Yeah. Yeah. Those that are addicted to the process actually don't need to lose to win. LeBron for 20 years, he is literally addicted to the process. He likes winning. He likes championships, but he actually likes going to the gym and training much more than the parade and the celebration. If you really can dive into the process of something and love that, then you're actually addicted to learning and you want to get better. And you keep going back to the process. I did not expect this to happen today, but I am having a. addicted to the process but how does that prepare people for the losses there are so many fragile young people right when they take a loss it is over that's what i'm saying that's a great question see that's what i think is you found the meat in between the two slices of bread you have winning and losing great those are big pendulums yeah what is the meaning of life what is the middle enjoying 10 000 hours that's it addicted to the process even the bad shit liking all of it yes every element two words for you james bond it's been a lot of chatter so they announced who the next one is yet but they have not i don't believe they have but if it's not you i don't want to see it thanks drew that's the meme for the next two thousand years thank you very much makes two of us but there's been a ton of chatter out there that the role was offered not offered you wanted it didn't want it there was a conversation it wasn't a conversation what can you if anything say about no let me throw the question out to you guys all right if if you are of the agreement that you think that i should play it can you ask yourselves why and really answer why you think i should play it tell me why that is a great question that's the best question i could you want to go first for me the great art of art itself is being this beautiful hybrid model that has utter cohesion can you be strong and charming and sexy and seem like a friend because intimidating how many characteristics can one person embody but be utterly unique at the same time you are that that's really that was extremely articulate because she's a lot smarter than me i was just gonna say because you're handsome and cool and english but is it do you think that there's a nostalgia and be honest there's a nostalgia to the idea i shouldn't say nostalgia there's an allure to the idea of me being the first black man to play that character i think is there an allure yes i for me it's you um undoubtedly it it's also there's another characteristic that you don't embody which for me is my number one i gotta go characteristic which is smug i fucking hate smug more than anything in the world and you don't carry that and yet you have every confidence and capability in the world but you're devoid of the one that alienates people i feel the most it you i like people who bring people in i do not want to be pushed away and sit there and think i have to like this bring me in you bring people in and you're not desperate or pandering whatsoever do you want to do it um it is not a goal for my career i don't think that you know playing bond will satisfy some of my personal goals it will definitely satisfy the will of a nation i'm not gonna lie every corner of the world i go and i'm talking about different cultures they always go bond and i feel it is beyond me at this junction it's beyond me you know it's not a question of should i do i will i it is what the will of the nation dictates sometimes i'm not that guy but in everyone's world i might be and that job done because the truth is you know a lot of people are really seeing idris playing bond as the alternative bond and as long as that alternative is existing that's great for the growth of fucking casting we open the conversations and so for that reason i'm sitting here and say great talk about me all day long because it opens the blinkers that we all have have you followed this story and i want to ask you about this with actors who are black and the whole idea of english black actors taking american roles i mean it's i was in a bar i was at a children having a drink next to me the actor who's playing whitney houston she's english i said i hope you know black women in america are going to be like english woman playing you're playing one of the most iconic african-american women ever and it's a thing what should what do you feel about that even the way you framed it up of taking american roles right it's crazy that it's crazy that is it's like you know what i noticed you said you said a black woman in america versus an english woman like being english makes you less black exactly that's the issue like that's the issue to me that defines how unintelligent the whole argument is no disrespect to anyone who has that feelings it is what it is but the fact is we're all black like let's just speak you know you get a scottish actor playing an irish character or an english actor you don't hear about the debate but amongst ourselves we want to point fingers because we come from a a conditioning that makes people just make sure where are you from and are you authentic from where you're from how black are you just crazy are you you know and it comes down to the caste system and it's annoying to me really annoying my grandfather fought the second world war for this country u.s comes from kansas city i come to this country and someone's saying to me you ain't american i'm like huh how dare you yeah exactly exactly but the truth is you know what am i going to bring that out of some sort of like i think argument but the idea is that you're not it's a character i mean it's for anybody it's acting it's acting cultural appropriation though it's definitely something that we should pay attention to sure but in the acting profession one should be allowed to play how long do you want to act or to what have you thought about how long do i want to act for the rest of my life i want to act for the rest of my life but i also feel that there are other parts of my you know palette that are going to amplify you know where it's creative whether it's writing directing music whatever it is i feel like you know those parts of my the tentacles in my career or my industry grow no doubt for sure i think also if you build towards other goals you don't put all your stock in one thing yeah i think diversifying um is really important and not feeling like at one point i'll age out what will be also future things that i would love to invest in study learn prepare myself for so that i have eggs in different baskets and they may have to all do with the same thing it may be writing and directing which seems very you know adjacent to an acting or starting a league which is adjacent to being a sports athlete but i think it's so good to plan on bigger picture things rather than holding on to the same thing and i think that's really important and i think that's really important so tight to something to something yeah i'm so ebbing and flowing and changing it's not likely so what roles do interest you now at this stage in your career like you got your next movie is beast like why did you take that one and what roles do interest you now well we come we come in from a cycle where the theater is done you know cinema is the the heart of filmmaking people go to the cinema to watch it so we made beast because we wanted to make a a film that invited people to come and experience it on a silver screen also there's a cultural relevance to it you know it's a black family being you know transported back to africa and find themselves in the middle of a thriller and that hasn't been seen before so that's partly why i did it but in terms of generally how i choose films now it's really about what what haven't i done you want to challenge yourself yeah i want to breathe life into something that i've never done before i say this by the way i said out publicly i wanted to play michael jordan boom let's put it out there let's put it out there but do you wow yo you gave me the stink face what's that you did i'm sorry you're just i don't know i don't know right now i don't want to say i don't see i just don't can you first of all that's a great question it isn't about the hooping it's about michael jordan yeah but we still want but it is about hooping no that's why i had that look we're still gonna see the great he's the greatest that's great that's great but jordan michael jordan the business has never been um exercised in a story form or no he's never even talked about it we never really heard michael that's not the hooping is definitely relevant but it's not if i was going to dissect a story about him it wouldn't be about the hooping because nobody wants to see someone pretend to do yeah moves we've seen all day also i love business and i'm hot for this movie already talking business how many athletes understand the business and how many athletes understand the business and how many athletes understand the of the sport they play i mean look i i think that athletes there are different there's a range of them some want to know like you guys have all done and then there's some athletes like there are actors that just want to be talent because they know that it's a fleeting business and they need to strike and not be distracted by anything else but having played sport for 14 years then going on the league side you you get it and you get where the tension is because I used to be an athlete to say why the fuck don't they do this this seems easy they're marking it wrong they're doing this wrong and the thing about business is that you have a board you have employees you have constituents from players and their parents and agents everyone needs to be heard and talked to as athletes we just have ourselves we have one board member it's us we have one athlete it's us and we make decisions that's why you can be agile but I would say that you've got to you've got to thread the needle yeah I'll just be completely honest I was a nerd way before I was an athlete like just a quirky awkward kid so I did it based on the ROI in fourth grade because my dad's a financial sector you know head he knows a lot of information about the market saw him wake up 5 36 a.m to go to Wall Street so I got a different perspective I got a different perspective on the market and I got a different perspective on the market and I got a different perspective on the market and I got a different perspective on the market. perspective on the market and I got a different perspective on the market. So in fourth grade I went in my closet I said I am going to the NBA. Anything you invoke with I am after it, the power of manifestation and what can happen in the universe comes true. So in fourth grade, so just imagine me in fourth grade I'm looking at the ROI on what NBA players make per year and I'm just doing this as a curious young man exploring the world. And now that I'm 30 years old and I have fiduciary responsibility to the Players Association representing not just me now but the next generation. generations to come after it's a it can be it can be a lot to handle when you learn about the tension behind the scenes what have you learned you know what have you learned over the last three years four years you went through you was the eye of the storm for one time i don't want to talk about the storm let's just talk about what you've learned from it who am i sitting in front of today i have been through a lot more than i could probably speak on in five minutes or ten minutes i don't use it as baggage that i like to carry around with me you know my history is my history i've done some quirky shit in public and some quirky shit behind the scenes and i've and i've dealt with like the vilification of that and i often didn't spend a lot of time with people you can ask them i would be in my house dedicating myself to watching greatness you know that's kobe braun mj studying these positions that guys that are in the older generation have done before me so i want to be just like them like playing with braun and playing with katie these are two of the best to ever lace them up but within our culture they are two true icons and i had to fill in those shoes that were very uncomfortable for me because at that point in my life i didn't know where i wanted to go i was watching the 30 for 30 on a decision a year later i was drafted exactly into the into that cleveland emotional train of the prodigal son chosen one has left and here we have this 19 year old kid i'm six two i'm not jumping out of the gym emotionally i i was dealing with things that i i had no idea nothing to do with you nothing to do with me absolutely nothing so when i took on that pressure and as my own i started feeling like i gotta bring cleveland back to the promised land that that's a solo act you went through that when you were 19 how old were you when braun came back 22 23 22 23 with what you know now at 30 do you do anything differently in that period we could sit here for hours we could sit here for hours going through the details combing through it but i think the the greatest thing i would tell the youth is superheroes need help you know the leader of the team doesn't always have to take on the burden and braun took on crazy burdens we feel that's the the biggest commonality we have as human beings is emotions they may look different we express it but they're the same if you're angry or you're sad or you're going through stuff in your life it is the same emotion that i would feel just may look different i'll be honest with you i was in those circles where the shadows were all around me partying my ass off relationships here and there going through heartbreak going through things that show the authentic true you because somebody's actually putting up with your shout out to my wife you know she's actually putting up with all the drama and all the things that i thought i had to hide and this person came along my life in the last three years and she shook my whole world up i started having kids started calling myself a king a chief of my tribe my my daughter started doing things that really shaped the way i wanted to see her future and that is really what invited me to become a softie more feminine in in my approach it's cool to be masculine all the time but there's a balance like kundalini like the yin and yang i think karma also chooses like yes you're supposed to be a girl dad you know i have two girls i'm like that's what my whole life was for research to matriculate to them to the best of my ability i understood my whole existence when i realized i was having two girls let me ask you this drew because talking about superheroes need help you're a superhero to all of us your career what was rock bottom for you first of all thank you i would never assume such a beautiful statement um i think everybody when they go through it because everybody will publicly or not um you get scared that that will be your narrative forever yeah and it's really all kind of um up to you and then that hopefully if you get it together and you overcome you'll be patient with the statue of limitations people need to come around and you will find your way and life is a book and you have to write it with the acceptance of how people will receive that story and you can't write it for them and you can't placate to the phantom they so if you just stay in your own lane and try to keep your own side of the street clean your chapters will continue to write themselves hopefully with more grace as you go on and then you'll probably think oh i've got this and then probably one of the worst chapters will come and the hardest i thought i had seen it all and been through the worst and when i got divorced with kids i that was the worst that was far beyond anything else i've ever experienced in my life because it wasn't about me it was about the care and concern and high stakes of my kids and it really took me down i like for a few years i really really didn't know which way was up i was on top of it as much as i could be with and for my kids but inside i i stopped doing what i love i wanted to be with them that chapter i really didn't expect to come and hit me so hard and i really didn't know how to write the next one and it took me a few years sometimes it takes a lot longer than you want it to yeah and but it can and it will take a lot longer than you want it to yeah and but it can and it will shift with time and tremendous work and right now the chapter i'm in is totally awesome and i didn't see that when it was bad and you don't see the bad ones there's no way you see it coming yeah yeah you don't see that there's one there's one thing all of you have spoken about it's like that rough patch whether it be in your career your personal life feeling like you something up you fell short of whether it's your own expectations or whatever the expectations of society are for yourselves how do you forgive yourself how have you guys forgiven yourselves i like this yeah this is a great question again um i think that's uh for me the thing that has come the latest in my life only recently do i forgive myself stop but i'm there it just took me so long to get there i beat the out of myself about everything i had to be my own parent and god i just i'm so hard on myself ridiculously painfully miserably unlivably hard on myself but i'm finally on the other side of that and i'm just so happy to be there because it's um it's those things being okay with yourself not competing with the others uh realizing you're your own unique snowflake of a being and how to embrace that how to forgive yourself those are such big overarching themes of life and it can take so long sometimes you just think you'll never get there and god forgiveness of others has always been available to me um on tap really but me not at all but as of recently i'm really having some amazing breakthroughs and it feels so good it's so nice i do all things i'm genreless you might see me dj in a set in a visa or you may catch me still your job hold up you know what he said that but i didn't pull the stink face when i said i wanted to play jordan and that's true it's true Thanks for listening to Uninterrupted, the shop podcast. 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