Kylie & Mikaela Shiffrin on Looking Like Twins, “Back Abs,” & Figure Skating Greatness w/ Johnny Weir & Tara Lipinski | Ep. 56

Not gonna lie. I lied to you. That's right. This, I said, was my low. And it's not. It's mellow. So put some respect on his name. Also, I would just like to point out. He is our Paralympics mascot. This is his tail. Look at how cutie is. Look at him. Are you kidding? Let's get this podcast started. [Music] Ben van Nuttia. Quelevere. Almost. How do you do? I don't know. I got a thumbs up. That, of course, means welcome, real ones in Italian. We think, yes? Sure. I'm back for part two of our winner, Olympic Spectacular of not gonna lie, a wave original. And I'm here once again in studio in Milan with YouTube and NBC at the Milan Cortina winner, Olympics. I'm your host Kylie Calci. The best dish I've had since being in Milan is definitely Parmigiana, which is not what the Americans think. Okay, it's this lovely, thinly sliced eggplant with a little bit of tomatoes and mozzarella cheese. Maybe some Parmigiana in there. Who knows? It was freaking delicious. They could have put a shoe in there, and I would have eaten it. That shit was phenomenal. And also Spaghetti Arabiatta. Oh, I got a nod for that. Okay. I'd eat that every day in my life. My favorite experience from this trip so far has to be watching the women's ice hockey final. When they won gold in overtime in person, that was bananas. God, it was so good. And our most feral child, that's right. Benny Boo Boo Bear. She's turning three years old tomorrow. Amazing. So happy birthday to Benny. And I wonder how three is gonna go. Well, I'll find out together. But for now, it's time to lock back in on the Olympics action, coming up on today's Winter Olympics spectacular part two. I'm going to talk about all our experiences at the Winter Olympics, including last night's insane win of the women's gold medal ice hockey game. Then in Doomskall the week, a reporter, fucked around and ski or I lean goo, let him find out. And we love that. I can't wait to show that clip. After that, I'm going to be joined by not one, not two. But three team USA greats. Fresh off of our gold medal run in Slalom, Icon, Michaela Schifrin, and figure skating royalty, Johnny Weir and Tara lapinski. Yep. You guessed it. I'm not sure how I ended up in this chair, but we get to talk to all of them. Oh, stick around. But before we get to all of that, let's start off with the real one comment of the week. Christopher Boyd, three, three, one, said Kylie, we see you turning round at the US women's gold medal game. Awesome. For those of you who don't know, maybe you're just tuning in for the Olympics content. I have a habit of being superstitious. I can't help myself. Part of the reason why I stole one of those lovely pieces of wood the other day was because sometimes you have to knock on it. And sometimes you have to sit backwards in your seat at a stadium. I don't make the rules. I just manifest them in my head and think that I'm helping. I turned around. I believe it was during the second period. And I want to be clear. This is partially running joke and partially me answering my superstitious anxiety thoughts. Okay. So just I know that the reason the US women's hockey team succeeded was because they've trained their whole lives for this. But also it did start going uphill in the second period. So I'm not saying that Jason also put his hat on. I just think that there was like a lot of things that changed including them taking control of the momentum of the game and throwing the puck a little bit less and moving as a unit. You know, there were things that happened on the ice and there were things that happened off the ice. And we did what we could do. This was definitely one of the best sporting events I've ever been to. It was I mean, here's the deal. I've said it about the Eagles so many times at this point that I would love to go into something and just experience stress free stress free fandom. But apparently that's not the life I was meant to live because this was difficult and also fucking thrilling. It was incredible and these women fought so hard. We have a clip here of our whole team freaking out after the game winning goal. Let's see it. You'll see we have to like unfold myself. Yep. That I don't know we should slow me getting stuck on my own legs. I tried my best not to pee a little or cry a little. I tried my best. I can't tell you whether or not I was successful, but I tried my hardest and I loved every second of it. And this is what we came for. Congrats to Team USA big shout out to Cleveland Knights best athlete gold medalist Layla Edwards. What a great way to start the day of people seeing not gonna lie Layla Edwards and finishing the day with a gold medal around her neck. Okay, a few days ago we called this segment places Kylie has some business being with the more insanely cool things I get to do here in Milan. Like see our hockey team win a gold medal. The more I realize it's got to go back to no business. Guys, who are we getting? I don't know what I'm doing here, but we're doing cool shit and that's what matters. In addition to men's and women's hockey, we also got to see two skating events both times. I got to ask questions to the most qualified experts. First was figure skating with Nathan Chen sitting directly behind us. Jason was asking questions and genuinely by the end of the short programs that we watched. Jason was calling what was and was not correct. And that's why it just goes to show you he's good at everything and kind of just paying my ass. I said, he's sitting right over there. I said it basically to his face. He's good at everything and makes me mad. And then we got to talk about speed skating with Apollo Ohno, which again, if you're gonna quiz people or try and learn about what you're watching. Go to the greats. Okay, Nathan Chen, Apollo Ohno, what's happening? I'm saying these words out loud. And I'm still not really believing them. All right, that's it for places Kylie has no business being next on doom scroll the week winner Olympic edition part two. First up, five time Olympic medal winning skier, Eileen goo was asked what I generally call. This is the nicest way I could say that and absurd question at the podium. And I feel it's my duty as someone with a series called fuck around and find out to share her response. Queen of the clip, please. Also, do you see these as two servers gained or two goals lost? I'm the most decorated free skier female free skier in history. I think that's an answer in and of itself. How do I say this? Winning a medal at the Olympics is a life changing experience for every athlete. Doing it five times is exponentially harder because every medal is equally hard for me, but everybody else's expectations rise, right? And so the two medals lost situation to be quite frank with you, I think, is kind of a ridiculous perspective to take. I'm showcasing my best skiing. I'm doing things that quite literally have never been done before. And so I think that is more than good enough. But thank you. Okay, let me just break this down real quick. First of all, I hope he feels how far into his mouth. He put his foot. Second, I cannot emphasize enough that her laughter at the beginning of this was him finding out. And I love that she laughed in his face. He deserved that. He did. It was a bad choice by him. And she let him feel it. Third, I think that her saying thank you at the end of it was the biggest fuck you that she could have said. She said thank you. She meant go fuck yourself. And I love that so much. I love that so much. And if we can't keep me, we're keeping me saying go fuck yourself. She said it not me. I love this. Eileen, you nailed this. Congratulations, Eileen, on both handling this situation and your medals. Well done You're welcome on the podcast anytime by the way if you want to help other people who might need to find out when they fuck around so Whenever you want next scroll is team USA snowboarder Hana Norman Who gave us an insider look at how you get to the top of the Olympics big air jump and When I say you I most definitely do not mean me You'll see why Queen Emma the clip please a Lot of people wanted to know how we got to the top of the big So I'm here to answer it. I walked past it the other day And there's those two elevators that I just pan to and they just go all the way up to the top I think the structure is something like a hundred and fifty feet tall I need you to know that you know scaffolding elevators, and then I don't have a video But once you're at the top it's sort of just like this big flat platform that we hang out until we drop until we drop I'm sorry What you There's not an amount of money in this world the idea of going up that high is one thing To do it in an elevator that you can see out of another thing To do it in an elevator that you can see out of to go up that high with so little Built Of a structure I'm out and you know what you know it never fails That's right the comment section. So you should get your ass in there because we got ginger Scorpio saying bro Why did I think you were just at the top of a big mountain? That's yes, I feel like we're seeing the backside of a Broadway set You know what I mean? Just I'm good. It ruins the magic really crystal white said honey bunches of nope And Molly said I define this sport as a second born activity We love a little birth order joke around here. You know that Queen. I'm on snow Do you think Ellie would be your most willing to try some of these more daring winter sports? Do you think I think it might be Benny I think right now They all go through like their own phases of like being like more adventurous. Yeah, like recently why it's actually been Like she was jumping on the bean bag from the couch over and I was like That's kind of like this is like an accident away into heaven, but at the same time like yeah, let me see how it ends Now just yeah, I just I want her to get out of her shell. So it's like you know what she hits her head on the cabinet Whatever we'll figure it out. Yeah, but I will say I think that If you were going to give each of our kids if you can see into the future crystal ball this shit and they ended up being winter sport athletes Yeah, what sport do you think they would each do? I feel like why it would do figure skating. I thought the same thing. Yeah, she likes to like dance to put Benny likes to do that too Benny is very like Performative like whenever we do like a little fashion shows with the dresses. Oh, yeah, she like really works it She can play to a crowd very well So I guess I think Benny be figure skater. I think why it would be figure skating. They probably would both be figure skating I think Ellie would be snowboarding of some kind. I can see that for sure She's a little bit like marches to her own beat tight. Yeah, and she's like a little more tomboy-ish. I agree Yep Jerry's style Adam Finney. Well, see why it doing like she's a very like cooperative person So I could see you're doing like a team sport. Mm-hmm like a hockey or I don't think she would want to hit people Ellie might do hockey. Good point. Ellie would want to hit people. Good point Ellie would be calm until she wasn't and then good luck. I mean, why is a Bob's letter Maybe uh, that's it for Doom Scroll the Week Winter Olympics edition. Hopefully we get to bring this segment back in Exactly four years now once again It's time for the reason I'm here the reason the real ones are tuning in our incredible guests starting with team USA's Slalom skiing gold medal winner Michaela Schifferen thanks again to our friends at YouTube and NBC She's the three-time Olympic gold medalist fresh off of her record breaking Slalom victory in Cortina. She has the most Olympic gold medals of any US Alpine skier in history and some Would say some including me. She's the greatest American skier ever She has a hit podcast called what's the point and Fun fact. She's once offered to teach me how to ski It's Michaela Schifferen. Welcome. I'm not gonna lie. That did happen. Yeah. Thank you So happy to be here We our team got you a bowl of gummy bears. Yeah, just in case you felt the need. I've been looking at people about this About the yeah, the sour gummy bears. Um, is it okay if I actually have one? No, they're really just put them in the bowl Nobody else has touched them. Nobody made sure he's on them. No, my husband did. Oh, I'm a germaphob. That would have been I would have called it and my husband. I actually told me wasn't allowed to touch them. Yeah, that was I and I'm pretty old. Would you like one? Yeah, here. Let's just share this Oh, you know, I don't know I think I'll just grab one of you Grab one of you. Would you like one? Oh, I'm okay. Thank you um Yeah, the sour gummies. It's just it's like a I guess it's a hack for anxiety that Yes sour candy eating sour gummies. I gotta put this down. Okay. No, I'll tell I'll tell while you chew It's studies have shown that um anxiety can be managed in Like minor situations. Yeah with sour candy. Yes, that it shocks like sour things like I can theory if you bite into a lemon There's like these external factors that help like Sort of it's like parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system Stuff like it's a little scientific, but anyway, I've been eating sour gummies at the start and I do not like sour things like Bad bad bad, but these are just enough. These are just enough just enough tolerable I love that now. I saw the clip where you accidentally We'll call it accidentally so the f word on TV allegedly I just want to be clear again. You can say whatever the fuck you want on you um I just need to clarify that so that we're we have it all out But I'm very proud of you for that because I do love that your reaction to dropping enough bomb was then to say oh shit Because why not No, I was like spiraling. No, no, why not manage an expletive with another expletive. Yeah. Well, I love the next one I mean take your pain No, no, no, we can't do that Now you said espresso martinis were you still feeling the espresso martinis? No, we were just so I have never had one I now I have I had not ever had a lovely place to have one Yeah, it was everybody had been raving about the espresso martinis where we were like having dinners and I'd never had one and I haven't been drinking for the probably the last two years Like not a sip so this is explaining Yeah, so over the course of the evening after the solemn race. I probably had a total of just one But everybody on our team we had this like celebration toast and everybody on our team was there and like the you know donors and sponsors and all these partners and Like they were all handing me a espresso martini. I was like double fisting espresso martinis and I don't think And then they're like make sure to pace yourself because this will hit hard. I'm like I haven't eaten all day I haven't had a drink in like two years. Yeah I'm like you're in the mountains. I'm in the mountains. I had to make a speech So I'd like down a glass of champagne, which is the worst ever It tastes like wet dog like champagne is do you like champagne? That's so accurate It's grow and when you've got got sprayed with champagne then you're like everything I have Smells like and that like if you get if you spray a winter hat with champagne You will never get that smell out of your system and you will never like champagne again That's so accurate. It's like slightly sour. Yeah Wet dog and like rancid rancid and um yeah, so but that's what everybody wants to toast with So we were toasting with champagne. I'm like oh, I got to make a speech I've thought about this so I'm like down the champagne and I'm like oh, we're in it now And then somebody hands me in us. Well my mom actually handed me espresso martini. That's when I'm supporting women. Thanks mom Um, does mom also have a mouth Um, does mom use explotives to be honest. I've actually been a really bad influence on her She would not have and I was like the first thing that I actually thought when this happened what went through my mind And the reason I said shit was like my aunts are gonna come after me Oh I was like oh no when my mom sees this what you're gonna say but honestly We've gotten to the point. I've read somewhere like two weeks ago that swearing helps you live longer It's like I don't really know what's a marker of intelligence You read that one too. I read that one Hmm people seem like people seem not gonna be in the line anymore People tag me in the comments. No, uh, not many people realize this but this conversation is actually Years in the making yeah, but I'm gonna come back to that because uh, I don't want to bury the lead uh You won you won it you won. Yeah There's a lottery you did um, you actually said I won I fucking won This right here is the lottery and I won. Oh, and I got a medal too. Yeah, and that's there. That's where that is. Yes, it is. Here it is I would just like to say that when Mikaela walked in She put her backpack down and then flung the metal out and said do you want this out here? Do you want it out here each day? I'm like testing it a little bit more to see if it breaks. I've seen a lot. I've seen you've seen a lot of disconnected metals from Yeah, I know it hasn't broken yet. We spoke to breezy about it the other day Yeah, and apparently Alyssa's didn't last long either. Well she jumps a lot It's funny because breezy said that that's when hers broke. Yeah, everybody was so I was purposefully not jumping. Don't jump I didn't or if I jumped I held it. Okay, but then I'm like a little bit sad because mine didn't break But maybe we need to jump maybe I need to jump. I guess we could probably do it real quick just like Make it happen. We'll do like a celebration jump at the end of his. We'll see If you say engineered mine now 48 hours ago you won gold in Slalom your first gold in eight years First in Slalom in 12 years. Is that right? That's right. Okay. Yes. How are you feeling? Oh, it's been a whirlwind You know after after my first gold after Sochi I had no idea. I was just I did not know what to anticipate and I was 18 years old And I was like It's a ski race guys. It's going to be fine I was also sick for the Slalom. I had a cold So I was like totally delirious just out of it like give me the Just give me the ad bill in the Tylenol and I'll go do my race and it'll be fine and then after that it was just like 72 hours straight of Um, I don't even know I get like kind of where I am a little bit right now But I know what to expect, but it's it's different, you know 12 years in the making after my first gold medal And then South Korea was my next Olympics and I got two medals there But it was also I sort of started to get a grasp of maybe the darker side of the Olympics where Even though I won a golden giant Slalom I didn't win a medal in the Slalom and That was like it became this really bitter sweet thing and because the Slalom was the last Um or that sort of the then I was supposed to win it came after the GS people just sort of like Brushed the GS under the rug a little bit which was really intriguing for me I was like you guys know I just want a medal But I was seeing all these comments like don't come home you're not welcome in the US anymore and this was the first time I was thinking I saw the dark side of it like There's a reaction no matter what you do and like people don't only tune into the Olympics You know they tune into your sport every four years, but they'll literally only turn tune into the event that they think There's a metal contender and so they have no idea what happened in other and I get it too because I'm Like I Have not been able to keep up with everything that's gone on here, but it was just interesting So I then went to Beijing and I was like oh my gosh There's so much pressure and and there but there's also like it's COVID and it's Crazy and we're doing testing every day and we're wearing masks and we're isolated from each other Eating dinner and it was just it was such an out-of-body experience in Beijing and then I saw like A very intense side of the Olympics that a very you know high expectation side of it So now we're here and I'm like Are we sure? Is this real? Does it feel a little dreamlike? A little dreamlike. Yeah. Okay. That was a long exploration. No, it's for real. You did that Again, are we sure? I'm certain you have it right there. I've seen it with my own two eyes Um, how does this newest gold rank amongst the three? I don't think I can rank them really I think they're just so totally different like such my Olympic experiences have been so wildly different now it's for and I I'm really aware right now of all of the work that's gone into Not actually not the metal, but the work that's gone into showing up on race day and being able to like show up with the mentality and the skiing that I wanted to do and that It was like there's just been so much in the making and that started obviously What you can be like oh started 30 years ago, whatever, but also even this summertime the amount of conversations I had with my psychologist Talking about all the different feelings surrounding the Olympics and like desensitizing to the word and Imagining the vibe and imagining the the colors and even like two summers ago I was in Paris and one of the reasons to go to Paris was to be able to see this like Olympic look and to sort of desensitize to it and It's just been it's been so much You know work with my team and like communication and spend a really great growth experience, but You you spend so much time doing all of this work in training for something and then it had like the moment It happens is You know 47 seconds or like in the blink of an eye and it's just really weird It's so it's so cool to think about your team All the work you're talking about that leads up to it and the idea of Obviously not ranking your medals not picking this one But the idea that like you've done so much to prepare for this moment And you executed so like regardless of the metal you did what you came to do. Yeah Yes exactly and you but I feel like we've been hearing that from a lot of athletes this game's like even Alyssa competing and you know those who maybe didn't win a medal when There was some expectation around that it's like a lot of athletes are prioritizing being happy in life And I've been getting that mess and maybe that's just because like my algorithm is putting putting this out there to me because that's what I'm looking for too, but I have loved I feel like there's a shift in a in the sports environment to be like First and foremost you must be happy in life like breezy you were talking to her. We're talking about this She kept sending me these messages The it's gonna sound a little bit blunt, but there's like a lead up to it, but we don't have time for that So yeah, she's like if you don't if you're not happy without a medal you won't be happy with a medal Da-da-da because happiness comes from cats and it's like Honestly, perfect. Maybe not for your family Fill in whatever you want into cats, right? Yeah, and it was like, you know That's just this metaphor for like yeah, there's just so much life outside of the sport But we do so much of our life, you know, it's it's all It's all geared towards the sport and it's even like I haven't been drinking for two years because I Every time I have a glass of anything I get sick and I'm like I can't afford to be sick right literally ever so We're just gonna not have any alcohol like we're gonna drink electrolytes man It's just this whole this all the dedication for sure And you've probably heard it a billion times of people or maybe sick of that, but It is this this cliche concept and yeah, I don't know just I'm really appreciative of this now especially be Like this would not mean as much without Beijing, but it's also I don't think it would have happened without Beijing like what I what I went through in Beijing after my dad passing What I went through with my mom there um and then you know in the years following that is just It was just such a catalyst for immense growth in my life um I don't think I would have been in the position to actually show up and execute The skiing properly Here without that without the whole journey. Yeah. Why is it so important to be open about your mental health because it's something that you've already touched on here today But obviously the journey that you've you've taken and that you've continued to talk about I think is really important not only for athletes, but also for just everyone to hear that I think athletes are some of In our society viewed as some of like the strongest people both physically and mentally To be outspoken about discussing your mental health and well-being Is a way of saying Like you acknowledge it and you allow other people to fall into that idea of it's okay to talk about it And it's not perfect and it's not supposed to be perfect. Yeah Why is it so important for you to make sure that messaging is out there? I feel like with athletes in particular they're so There has been and this is kind of shifting But there's not a way that it's supposed to be like you show up as an athlete and there will be points in your career where you feel really confident And there's going to be points in your career where you go through a lot of struggle And it's all part of it, right? But I feel like there's been such a Like aura around sports. It's like you Are supposed to be fearless You're supposed to like dive into the unknown and challenges without questioning it at all And I've just over the course of my career. I've pretty much always questioned everything. I'm really uncertain Most of the time and it's so uncomfortable But then it's like when an athlete faces a moment where they're uncertain Then it's really uncomfortable and they don't know what to do with that And then it's like you get these really high highs and these really low lows And you think that you're supposed to be a certain way in order to achieve something great And I feel like it's important to show to people and to To Like elaborate that there's not really one way anything supposed to to go. But for me personally, like verbally processing, talking with a psychologist, being that has made my life so immensely better. And it's helped my communication and relationships. I've become so much more clear and sort of confident in action, maybe not in my, like, feeling within myself, but the way that I'm able to say no or say yes, or set boundaries, or just like know what my own limits are, and to express that to other people and relationships within my family, relationships outside of my family, like within my team, that has gotten so much better because of like expressing what's going on in my head and in my heart. So I feel that it's really important. And we talk about mental health, and there's just so many different layers of that. You know, not everybody, like, you don't have to have a clinical diagnosis to experience like what's going on in your head and your heart. That's just a real thing that people have because we've got brains and we got, and we're human and we're human and we got hearts. Yeah, I hope. I would hope having that one with that one. Now, I always love to make sure that anyone that I speak to that's advocating for something that makes it easier for our girls. We have four girls to navigate life that I thank you in person. So I thank you for all of the things that you're talking about because you're going to make me cry. Don't let me know. Do you don't cry? Don't do it. It'll be a chain reaction. Don't do it. I always like to make sure that people who are having those conversations, people who are being transparent and allowing people in, in that way, who make it an easier world to navigate for our kids growing up, especially young women, that that is such an important thing to talk about that is like what you're doing where you're like, oh, I hope that someone, but people are. And I want you to know that. Thank you. Yes, absolutely. In addition to the mental strength, you've done so much physically to prepare. We're, we'll take it in a lighter note now. We've all seen the video of your backups. What's happening? Yeah, so tough. Strong. This is like, yes, you're joking. I wish. No, my mom saw that. I was like, mom, look at my back. You don't wish. That's fucking impressive. When your mom tells you you look like you have an alien coming out of your back, it's not really she's kidding. She was not kidding earlier. She was kidding. Multiple people said the same thing. And they did not discuss it with each other. If you have not seen this video, it's unbelievably impressive. Oh, well, thank you. So skiing is a sport that's like very, very, it's very clawed and back dominant. So that's part of it, right? But also I was, we were going through this, my physical therapist has noticed this when we, when we're like talking on the table, and if I chuckle or laugh, my back muscles would do this. And she'd be like, the way the lighting was in this room, she's like, oh, I have to take a video. And then I saw it, I was like, this is going to go viral. Do you have any other secret abs? Do you have like quad abs or like forearm abs? Like what's, are you just like smuggling abs all over your body? Yes. She's just strong. She can't help it. Leave her alone. I know. I can like, it's impressive. I can like, activate my quads really fast. Of course, again, fall on an Olympic gold medalist. It's fine. I don't have, I don't have abs. Only on her back. It's only on my back. And I wish I was on my, you know, you got to just pick one of the other. So I mentioned at the top, but this conversation has been yours in the making because my husband originally told the now, are we calling it famous? Okay, famous story of my first time skiing on the other podcast back in 2023. Oh my gosh. Yeah. No, I remember when this and you guys are like, yeah, there's a skier girl. She could teach you. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, so very important that we get some clarity on this. The other podcast, we ate out the clip of the story. And, and you quoted it with I might know someone who could teach Kylie. Yes. So let's start here. Okay. Yeah. To clarify, you did mean yourself, right? You weren't like offering me up to one of your coaches. Yeah, you know, well, actually, my mom would probably bid better at teaching you. So my mom is like my first coach, but she's also still my coach. One of one of my coaches. She's a better teacher. Like, she'll be, she'll have you at like, my brother and I joke that she can teach you how to ski, world cup ski racing in like a single run down the slope. Like, she'll have you feeling confident. I, I would like, probably take a little bit joy in watching you fall just like a little bit. Great news. I fall a lot. Like, just but not like, not, I don't want you to get hurt, obviously. No, no, no. I'm like, I'm the fat ass to follow. We're fine. We're fine. I don't know if I would get you very far. She would get you farther, but I would definitely, we could have fun doing it. We'd have fun doing it. Okay, maybe we'll bring mom just in case, and espresso, martini, and an espresso, martini for the, for the, for the app, pray. Yes. Um, does the software still stand? Yeah, absolutely. So we're going to do this. Yes. Okay. And you're bringing mom. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Show me where we're going to go skiing. I will say I did ask Breezy if she could give me some pointers too. So maybe we just maybe we do like, maybe we just do a group squad. It's better in a group. I think people say like no friends on a powder day, but I just think the more friends the better, I don't think I've ever skied alone in my life. So let's bring a group on a powder day, on a powder day. Oh, um, when there's lots of snow and it's fluffy. Great. Uh, so like a powder day is skiing. So let's get Breezy out there. Let's get, get a bunch of us. Let's do it. I will beat some my whole way down. No, you won't. I'm telling you, my mom will have you in french fries so fast. You should see me. Not the french fries here, because those are like chunky, but like normal french fries, like just like straight french fries. Nice. Good long straight french fries. I really think you should get eyes on this before we start getting ideas and telling you I've seen her do it. She will go up to strangers on the mountain who seem like they're struggling and falling every turn and she will like take five minutes, give them pointers and by the end of the run, they're carving. I'm, I kid you not. Carving is doing well. Carving is when you are slow, like sliding the skis is when you're like pushing your tails out and you're sort of slowing yourself down and you're creating friction with the snow and carving is when you're basically like if you think of railroad tracks, we say railroad tracks in the snow where you see your skis are like creating these nice clean divots in the snow. That's carving, which is good. Okay. Carving is good. And we'll do a little serpentine down. Yeah, and you don't it like you'll be able to control your speed. Great. You'll know how to stop and you'll know how yeah, no, I feel good about this. You're kind of love it. Okay, we're going. Yeah. I tried snowboarding and fell in my ass multiple times. But like I said, I was fine. And I, I just feel more confident with independent feet. Do you do any water sports? No. Oh, I get it. Okay, because I said winter sport dumb turns out I'm water sport dumb too. So don't go there. Okay. So I'm like, like rollerblade or skateboard or scooter. Have you scootered? You know, like as a five-row, as what have you done? You're lucky. And I am definitely independent. Let me tell you. Okay. Let me tell you. So my mom played feel hockey. Oh, you're gonna be so you're gonna be such a skier. This is so perfect. Sorry, I'm hooking you up with my mom. I'll be there. I'll just be like such a good cheerleader. I believe in you. I'm doing so well. I do sports that are on a field. Yeah. So independent like the human sports on a field. That's really impressive. Honestly, the idea that you go out there and you're independently like, I'm gonna go down this mountain. I'm gonna fuck shit up on the way. And I'm gonna win. And you do it by like it's up to you. And I know you keep referencing your team and I know like behind the scenes and all of that. But like the idea of it came with a star can be a lonely place. Competing independently is like a whole nother beast. Because when you play team sports and you get to go out there on a field together. And if one person makes a mistake, like I always I always coach up my goalies. Yeah. When they get down on themselves about letting something in, I'm like it got through 10 people to get to you. Yeah. And that's sort of like the mentality. Yes. Yes. It's like that it's like contagious play can be both bad or good. You hope it's good. But like that's what team sports are. It's funny because I think the mentality is like usually in the course of my career when I've when I've performed or I've skied the best, it's when I actually take that same kind of team mentality. Like when with my coaches and with the staff that I feel. And in the small embrace here, I felt them with me. I really, really did. Like, that was crazy. And when I felt alone, that's usually when things go a little bit awry. So it's funny how it works. Like, you do all this work together. And yes, in ski racing, we're standing in the start alone. Kind of. My physical therapist and ski technicians, they're right there, too. But you, you know, you're facing four mountains. Yeah, you and, yeah, you and the mountain. And in the small embrace, I had seen the girl before me. She had DNF and she was standing. It was like in the, DNFs did not finish. Thank you so much. I don't, I'm so sorry. No, I don't know. That's really annoying. Like, I'm being really annoying. No, you're not at all. I should know at least some of you. You shouldn't know. I should be able to get to do not finish. No, no, no, no. Yeah, there's no reason why you should know that. I should probably be able to get there though. And context clues, I, I can't figure out any acronyms that anybody says these days, I can't figure anything out. So you should know that I should have let you go and then done context clues. Go ahead, winter sport dumb. Here we are. She did not, she did not finish, but she, so she went out of the course in somewhere in the first two gates, which is like on top of everything else, we're going to, we're going to ski this whole course and we're looking at the whole mountain and we got to just kind of put all of that together and somehow get to the finish, not somehow. I mean, I do this every day. But still, it's like, sometimes it feels a little bit miraculous to make it to the end of the course. And she had gone out in the first gate. And I was like, oh, on top of everything else, I like, can't fuck up the first gate. Also, sure. The don't forget the start, you know? No, like we've got to do the doing. Don't get ahead of yourself. Don't forget the start as well. Yeah, I can feel kind of isolating, but I think the mentality is like when you, when you feel the work you've done with everybody surrounding you when that village that has actually helped you get there. And when I feel really open to that, then that's usually when my best game comes out. And when you are going, is there a point where you start to, can you feel it? Like I have a breezy, a similar question of like, do you feel it? Like, is there a moment where you're like, oh, this just feels like the flow is good or that you feel fully connected? Or like, is there a point where you're like, oh, this is going well? Or is it just the whole way? You're just like, do it, do it, do it, do it. Oh gosh, that is actually such a good question. I think it's kind of both. It is like, you never know how it's gonna turn out while you're skiing, but I do have, I have like particularly in solemn right now. I have a level of skiing. There's like sort of two categories. And one is like, very fast skiing on par with all the best in the world can win, might not. And then there's a level that I've felt this season in particular, and that's even evolved from other years. Where I'm like, if I have these couple key pieces, it's, I think it's the fastest solemn skiing that exists right now. Doing that is just really, really hard. And it requires so much like, and in these two runs of the solemn here, I felt like there were probably four different points on the course where I was not going to make the next gate. Like, I wasn't going to be able to finish the course. And I felt so on the limit, not really like disastrous. But just, you know, if you talk about Beijing where I DNFed multiple times. And that's not something she did not finish. So just, because I know what I'm talking about. So we created, we gave the definition, and now we're using it in context. So that's the last step. That's one of the listeners, no, because I know, but you might not know. Yeah, I was just, I don't know, I was, do you know how close you are to sort of not finishing? And like, there's glory, there's a triumph, there's the most amazing success. And then right three centimeters to the other side is like disaster and critical headlines. And all of the heartbreak and all of the other sides of it. And I guess that's maybe sport as a whole. It's, there's some way to relate that to every single sport. But it is just like, you need to be willing to risk that it's not gonna work out in order to have a shot for it working out. That's so bad. Now, I'd love to do a segment with you that we do pretty much every episode. It's called "Doom Scroll the Week." It's basically, I like to scroll when I get in bed and my children are asleep for you. This was supposed to be in the beginning. Oh, is it a goat? Yeah. 'Cause you're the goat. I want to take out the package so that we can see it. We'll get a tight shot of it at the end, but it's, I want to make sure that the, it's a goat. 'Cause she's a goat. Makes sense. Okay, so "Doom Scroll the Week" is because I love to doom scroll. At night, it's, I enjoy it because when I put my kids to bed, that's how I turn my brain off. And so, I feel like none of your doom scrolling is actually doom scrolling though. Well, it's just, I'll just all day. It's totally. Yeah. You know if you doom scroll hard enough, you can actually watch whole episodes of shows. Yes. I have done that. Okay. (laughs) I feel like we might TikTok the same way. Oh, well, do you go in the comments? Not. So I don't actually have TikTok on my phone. Oh. But you do on Instagram. Okay, yes. I will tell you TikTok. Comments, comments. I will tell you they, they give like, kind of like Reddit vibes. You're like Reddit is unmatched in the comments on threads. So just if you ever have, you know, all that free time you have. Go into the comments. Please. As long as it's not about yourself. No, no, no, don't do that. (laughs) That would be ridiculous. We don't do that around here. We love doing about others. Oh, yeah. That's the best. Let me tell you, I love a comment section. Which brings us to our first doom scroll. Yes. This is doom scroll, Michaela Schiffer in addition. The first doom scroll here is actually a tweet that went viral as of literally yesterday. Oh, fun. Apparently people on the internet think we look alike. This is such a compliment. You are holding up the American flag and it says where she belongs. So when our Olympics, it's a photo of you, winning your gold medal. And the person said, I thought Kylie Kelsey was having another adventure for a second. And I've never been more flattered. Well, same, but should we ask Jason? (laughs) Jason? I mean, you got some great baggages, Kylie. (laughs) That was super evil. You're so full of shit. (laughs) This is actually, this is, have you seen this that people have said that I look like you? This is very exciting. This is the first time I've seen this exciting for me. But so when you, I can, like with a ponytail, in particular, I think you're just, so much more proportionate than I am. I think I might have a little more height on you. How tall are you? You definitely have, I'm five seven. Yeah, you're taller. I got four inches. You have a much better skin tone. (laughs) I also like the color of your eyes a lot better. Oh. I will say this. Smile. (laughs) So I have a better teeth. My parents are in your smile. I think that this is the most flattered I've ever been to be compared to someone and that I think, should we just compare our face? I think we should just start rolling with like, we're siblings. Yes. I love that. How many siblings do you have? One. Oh my god, I fucking forgot. My, I forgot. For a second. You said it's a brother. Well, I have a brother. It's a, it is a brother. It's a boy. It's a boy. I have a brother. Is he older or younger? He's older. Is he? And he is actually having his first baby in the next month. What is it? It's a girl. I said it. What is it? It is a girl. It is a, I'm biased. But that's great. I truly believe that aunts, uncles and grandparents have it the absolute best. Yeah, because you can just give them back. That's it. That's the key. That's the key when they're smelly. When they scream, I have a sister. One sister who's older. She has, she has three kids. Okay, so yeah. I get to live the aunt life. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. And you also have your kids. Yeah. But if you take this great, you're going to get mine. Yeah. It's great because I can be like spoil, spoil, spoil. And then when my kids are like, why are you not, why are you give it to them, but not to us? I'm like, because, because I can't. They're a job to give it to you, like, because we don't cross hairs there. That's it. What's your favorite thing to spoil? I mean, they're still very young. So like a sweet treat. It's great. Sweet treat works. Well, I just lean into like clothes. You can. But like that's more, that's more of like a mom gift. Yeah. That's more a favor to mom. Yeah. That's fair. I'm worried. I'm going to be a little bit overbearing. And my sister Christie, she's going to be like, so you need to back off. Does she have sisters? She has a brother. Oh. And they're just, yeah. Then you can tag in. They're there. Yeah. They're the best. It's amazing. I'm so excited. But that's so nice. It's easy for me to be excited. And you're rocking. Do they live in Denver? Yeah. So they're like two hours away, so pretty easy to get there. - After we're done, I'll tell you about what I pack up for a postpartum mom so that you can consider it because I feel very strongly about this. - I would love some advice. - Great, we're gonna talk about it in our postpartum episode in March. So you gotta wait until then. So, what? - Michele gets it first. Also, I would like to point out that you have your podcast, what's the point? So you're very much in the podcast game. - So if we look this much like according to the internet. - Slightly much. - Should we just swap spots? - Swap podcasts? - Yeah. - Can I, can I? - Can you also swap the point? - Okay, I don't know if this is a fair trade. You, I feel like this is, I mean-- - I feel like I'm asking a lot. - No. Yes, we've only done like six episodes so far. - Perfect. - It is, wait, seriously? - Yeah, why not? - That, I'm just, I'm like such a, oh, what would you call somebody who has no idea what they're doing? - I know, I'm professional professional 'cause that's me. (laughs) - This is perfect. - Oh my god. - I don't think, I don't think, - I don't think this is so cool to be here because now that I've started to try, it's been like, woof. How do you know how to, the hosting conversations is hard. - It is. - It is. - And you do a really good job of it. - That's so kind of you. - Queena mow rates me a pretty good rundown that, you can see I'm trying to be like, let me stay slightly on track. - Well, but it's like, then you, you also, I just wanna talk to the people we have on. I truly just wanna talk to it. I just wanna pick their brains and I wanna learn from them and I wanna get to speak to them and know them better and that really, that helps. - Are you good at having conversations just like outside of this, just in life, are you social? - Okay, because Queena was giving me a thumbs up. - Yeah, so I'm the type of person, like in the moment, I would, like when I start talking to people, I love it. I wanna talk to them, I wanna know about their things, I wanna give them my undivided attention. I wanna know their name and I wanna be able to say hi to them later. - Yeah. - But then afterwards, I'm like. - That was really. - Yeah, okay, like the ambivert or omnivert or whatever it is. - Whatever that is, yes. - It's like, I love it, but it's an energy. But also afterwards, I'm like, I need three days. - Yeah. So would you, like if you're in like a hotel breakfast environment and there's people around, I mean, I guess kind of, maybe what you experienced here in Milan, but like there's people you know, would you like choose to go strike up a conversation or are you like, just turn your head a little bit? The other way. - A little of both. - Okay. - Okay. - Would you turn your head? - Probably. - Okay, let's like. - Maybe not, maybe not with you, but yeah, I might like crawl under the table. No, it's just like, having conversations and like. - Or hard. - It's hard. - I will tell you, part of the this moment after having a conversation is the million things I'll be like, why the fuck did I say that? - Yeah, I know. - Like on a very regular basis, I will get out of a conversation and be like, what was I talking about? - Like all the time. Like I will leave this and be like, what the fuck is that? - Who was that? - All the time. - Yeah, all the time. - Well, and I'll think about it for, like it's one of those days, and it will pop up like three months from now. I'll be like, shit, I did say that. - I can't help myself. - Do you have these like, this has been happening right now where there's all these random quotes and the quotes that people decide to use from you and any public statement you've ever made. It's crazy. I'm like, I don't remember. I don't think I said that. - Yes. - And there's some that are, - You blacked out and you're like, - Yeah. - Are you sure I said that? - And then they rolled a clip and you're like, - And it's like the most powerful quote you've ever said, and it's used, it's a world for like 12 years, and it's this one little quote that I said. I don't even know. I'm like, I don't think that was actually me, guys. - Perfect, thank you so so much. This has been so much fun. And - Thank you. - You have things to do. So you're also, but if you can squeeze it in, maybe if I come to do what's the point and some skiing, - Should we do, we should do like a skiing, what's the point episode? - Oh, for sure. - Like a chair, like a chair. - Yeah, there's gonna be something amazing. - But then we have to figure out what the point is. - We will, okay. - Because we also like to fuck around and find out. And so you fuck around to find out what the point is. - You get it. - Yep. - This seems like, this seems like we're sisters. - I think, weird. - Weird. - This is perfect. - Mom, yep. - Do you do more work than we thought you did? - Perfect. This is great. Kindred spirits, we, and you're gonna host NGO. So I was wondering, I don't wanna like assume. - No, no, it's, it's only fair. - I mean, okay. - I can't wait for this FAFO. - Yeah, I can't wait for this FAFO. I'm in trouble with Michaela's like, hi, I'm Kylie Kelsey. (laughing) - Weird. - Fuck her out. - Is Kisop, this is perfect. We'll see how long we can keep this bit going. 'Cause up to this point, the only other person that I've been told I look like is Bo Allen. And I'm gonna leave that with you. You Google it later. - Oh no. - It's not good. - Sorry, Bo. - It's not good. - Let me put, it's a great compliment for Bo. - It's a, but he also was, he was a meme. - Well, he was a, no, it means that I, this is what I'm talking about, I feel very flattered. (laughing) - So it is so flattered. - Oh, thank you so much. - Thank you so much. - No, oh my gosh. - There are everybody's favorite figure skating broadcasting duo, best friends, former Olympians, current traders, cast members. And perhaps most importantly of all, fellow Philly area of real ones. It's Tara Lapinski and Johnny. We are Tara and Johnny. Welcome to Knockin' Alive. - Thank you. - Oh my goodness, we are so excited to be here. And yes, all Philly. - It feels very. - It feels very. - Right, it feels very homey. It feels good. I'm slightly embarrassed to admit it. I didn't realize we all had the Philly connection until a few days ago. You mentioned it when we ran into each other at breakfast. That you were South Jersey. - Born and Philly, raising South Jersey. - Yep, and I am from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Very rural. And I moved away for a long time. And I live now like about 30 minutes outside Philly, which is awesome, it's our area. - Yes, and all my family is still there. - Yeah, and you get dragged back to visit them. I'm assuming for holidays and other things. - Yep. - What is the best thing to say in the Philly accent? - Ooh. - Water. - Water, right? I feel like it's the easiest way for people to get on board. - Yeah, water. - Especially if you spell it W-O-O-D-E-R. - Right, it's easy. - Try anything. - Water. - What else is good? - There's just that whole Delco accent thing where even though I've lived pretty much among it from the majority of my life, sometimes I have to squint at people to hear them better. Does that ever happen to you? - Yes. - I'm like, "What are you talking about?" - Where are we now? - I do feel as though I'm deep in a Philly conversation. The minute someone hits me with a use, and they use it free-flowing, right? If I ever say use, it feels really choppy, but when people say it and there's a still fluidity to their sentence, I'm like, - With like the use guys, yes. - And young people are using John too now. - Yes, John is big. We have Ho-Gee, Ho-Gee, yeah, or home. Is a big one. It's those, those O's hit hard. John, some people say the Eagles. - The Eagles, Eagles. - Yeah, I think that if you spell it phonetically, that it helps other people pronounce it in our way. - I'm trying to be cool. - You're gonna feel as comforting though. For me, when I hear a Philly accent or South Jersey accent, I'm like, home, home, sweet, home, yes. Because the South Jersey accent is nearly just as hard. - Yes, yes. - I mean, some slight variations, but not much. - A little bit, yeah. - But for our purposes, we have non-regional diction. (laughing) - Beautiful speech. - Now, something else we have in common, we both have a personal connection to traders. - I mean, are a little closer to it, but you guys are on the show this season and crushing it, by the way. - Thank you. - And my mother in La Tana was also in the cast. We were just discussing it before you guys came in. I still feel a little jaded, and our listeners have listened to me say this probably one too many times at this point, but I think that her being the secret trader, she was already isolated because she wasn't involved in any other, like she didn't have a connection to anybody there. And then when she got selected as secret trader, I feel like it almost isolated her more. And that's the easiest people to pick off at the beginning. - Yes. - And I think it's so hard to watch the show now, right? - Do you guys watch it? - Yeah, we watch it. We don't see the episodes. - We don't know what's coming. - Yeah. - Oh, we watch with everyone else. - That is so cool. - So when you're watching it, it's such a different experience than when you were actually there, but I loved, I mean, Donna and I, we had, you know, again, I am not a game player, strategy, like Johnny and I come from Olympic sports, but this was a completely different experience in such a wild ride, but I am pretty social. So I got in the castle and was like, this feels like summer camp. I can't wait to meet everyone. So Donna and I had a lot of talks about kids and she was giving me all sorts of advice. And so I have some fond memories of that. - Yeah, I'm very socially awkward, I'm not. the best at making new friends. That's why I compliment each other. Yes, where I'm weak, she's strong, but Donna did such a hard job on that show and I have to say that like so many people were afraid to go after Donna because of Swifty Land. Oh. And it like that was the conversation among everyone that was not Donna. I know. So when we all figured it out and we were all there and ready to vote for everyone was scared and that was the conversation. But she was such a trooper and I think she did a really good job for the position that she was put in. Yeah. But the traitor is so hard. It's so hard. And watching it back is surreal because we lived it. We were there and you go all in because those are the people that you look forward to seeing every day. You think everyone's your friend because you're otherwise pretty isolated just to keep the game on camera. That was clearly my biggest issue with the show is like I am friends with all of it. I cannot do this. It was such, it really messes with your mind. And then also you don't see a lot of what's happening. The round tables are hours. I think it's a couple hours we're in there. So it's then condensed down into a few minutes of television and it's so hard because then you you miss out on, you really can see to where the tables going of people kind of giving each other eyes and nodding of who they're going for and then obviously that changes, changes how everyone sort of reacts in that room and it's just wild. Well it's like the greatest pressure cooker and I'm so glad we got to experience it. But everyone talks about the traitor's having the advantage or the faithful's having the advantage. The viewers have the advantage. Yeah. They know everything. Right. So we're just kind of, for me, I felt like I was just blindly wandering through the castle for the most part. So it's, it's fascinating for us to actually watch it and see the little things that maybe we should have gotten or could have gotten and you always go back and look at the things we could have done. It was like 2020. Yeah. Now, you guys talked about sort of your unspoken connection. Yes. Was that helpful? Yes. Yes. Yes. We were talking all day long and really never spoke a word to each other so we had that going on in the beginning and then it was like two episodes ago that you guys revealed that you guys. We came out. Yes. Yeah. I love it. That is, I mean, the fact that you guys buried the lead on that was the top tier. What was everyone's, like, how did it feel to hold that back from everyone and then sort of let everybody in? Well, when we first went in and we didn't know if this plan was going to work, we thought we had to because of course alliances and duos, it doesn't really go over well in the castle. So we knew we'd get voted out very quickly because they didn't want to separate us if we came in as we normally do, walking hand in hand, like down the hall. So our first strategy was just to really go hard in that we didn't know each other that well. Of course, we're figure skaters but skated at different times. So I feel like a lot of the conversations when anyone would question us. We would be like, I would be like, oh, yeah, I mean, I won when I was 15. He didn't even start skating yet. So I know of him obviously, but we live on different coasts. Yeah. I've worked with him. We worked together a few times. Yeah. Like we come in for events. So we just really played it like that. So long. Very chill. And I think it was, it was a huge advantage. But we sat across from each other at the roundtable so we could do lots of like that stuff and like hand signals and things like that. That we would get that nobody else to pick up on. But I don't think either of us are those people that just assume everyone knows who you are. I think, you know, it helps keep me sane anyway to think that I'm still just a normal person that goes about my life. And there's no one that's watching me on TV or anything. And that's why I live in the country. But we never just assumed that any of the other players would know who we were and luckily no one really got it. Yeah. So at the beginning we had, because the roundtable switches like everyone goes in, you're going for this person and then it starts getting crazy. So we really, you know, we'd go in with a name of who we were going for and then it would change. And Johnny would be like, just looking the direction of the person that it changed. That's where I'm going. You're like, hey, you see what name was down and that's what I'm putting down. Yeah. Oh, I love it. And then when we did decide to have our, you know, quote unquote, reveal, we were, we thought we were really going out. So I feel like we thought, let's just do it. Let's just do it. Yeah. Not in the ways. Yeah. Gosh, that's so good. Did you guys ever question whether or not one of you was a trader? Never. Immediately. Do you think? Yes. And also we had a plan too. If one of us was a trader, I think a lot of people, I'll see it everyone. So I'll be like, oh, I would have loved to see if one of them was a trader and then they had to turn. I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have. That would have made me so upset. There's just no way. I mean, we would have protected each other till the end. And then whoever won one and we just, we kind of would have won together. Yeah. Right? Celebrate the other person who won. If I was a trader, I would do everything. Everything in my power that Johnny's name wouldn't end up. And probably, if it did, I'd probably give myself up. I'd be like, well, I'm-- Yeah, same. I'm done. Same. We were talking about this in one of our car rides last night. And this is exact. I was like, I think you just, like, if you go in with your best friend, you have to just commit to-- Oh, yeah. Almost like prioritizing their success. Yes. And then as long as they're successful, you're both successful. Right. Right. I feel good about this. And I think-- I think it shook a lot of people out. Because I think-- you know, I don't think I know that everyone went in there to play a game. And they were all-- As an individual. As an individual. And we were there to play our game. Yeah. So we were playing a slightly different version of the traders, everyone else. And while that's not the smartest game play, we've done remarkably well. Yeah. Honestly. Yes. And I mean, for me, at this point in my life, I'm not into competition, competition. And you know, like, I'm just-- A lot done it. I just-- yeah. I needed to be with my best friend in the castle. And it wasn't a me thing. It was an us thing. And we were just going to go down together. Yes. So perfect. I can't-- I can't wait to watch the end of the season. Bringing it back around to figure skating. I don't know if you guys saw this viral tweet. This is kind of the charm of traders. It says, work will have you in front groups like that. And it is a photo of Martha Stewart, Snoop, and Ilya all together. We met-- well, I hadn't met Martha or Snoop before. So we were able to meet them at figure skating the other night. And it was very fun. Snoop just dances all the time, which, you know, brings up the mood. And Martha was so sweet. Just such a queen. They're such a lovely pair. Yeah. They are. It's delightful. It's so-- It's so-- And what I love about the Olympics overall, like as a movement, I mean, obviously, we've lived our entire lives for the Olympics versus athletes, and I was broadcasters, is that it has that special quality that's so rare in modern times to bring the world together and to bring people together. And it's so unifying that I think it's so special, because it's the only thing that really does that in the world. It honestly, I feel so privileged to get to come and be a spectator of the Olympics, because there really is nothing like it. When you step into one of the stadiums, and even though countries are competing against each other, some people on the stands don't even have their country represented, or you're sitting next to someone whose country is competing against the US. And you're still sitting there, sort of chit-chatting, sort of shooting the shit, or poking fun. But it is-- you can cheer for the good storylines. You can cheer for the people who are just absolutely crushing it, a great performance in figure skating. It doesn't matter the country I was like-- [LAUGHS] Well, I think the greatest thing about the Olympics to me is everyone's personal journey. When I am up there commentating, I feel like I see this mini-movie unfolding. And it's always starting with a little kid that is just stepping on the ice, or the mountain, whatever it is, of I want to become an Olympian one day, and just having this big dream as a little one. And then everyone around you, parents, family, coaches, every single day, sacrificing, and working, and training. And there's just something about decades of work like that, and a team behind you and your family. And then they have this moment to shine. And whether it goes perfectly or not, I have goosebumps every time. It's just the best thing about the Olympics. It's so heartwarming. Well, the cool thing is, is that now you guys get to be a part of that storytelling, that you guys get to not only help people understand what they're watching, but then also make sure that they understand the gravity of the situation for this particular competitor. Well, yeah, and every competitor is different. You know, obviously, you're always thinking of a medal in Team USA and the podium. But for me, it's the moments and the performances where it isn't about that. And the skater just skated the best program of their life and they're touching Olympic guys and kissing it and crying and just joy and tears. And for me, it's knowing what that particular skater went through to get to this moment, to even just step on Olympic ice. It's a huge responsibility for us that we take very seriously and telling the stories of all of the athletes that we talk about because these niche sports that are in the Olympics, they don't have a game everywhere. weekend where they can say their piece. They don't have the opportunities that a lot of the big sports around the world have. So this is their one opportunity for the world to see them and root for them. So as their voices, as it were, it's really important for us to know the facts, to know the stories, and to be able to deliver them in a way that we're not talking over an entire performance. And it's something that we cherish, that position, to be able to be a voice for people. Well, it's also, it's, it's cool in telling those stories. And like you said, those moments where people are competing, not necessarily going to place or metal or, I think Amber is a great example of that. Her execution last night was insane. And to know what happened in the short program, short program, yes, well, that, yeah, okay. But in short program, there were some, some speed bumps. And last night was flawless. And to score so high, obviously, with such a large deficit ahead of the freeze gate last night, but she still came out there and said, I'm not going to lay down and pretend like I'm just letting the buzzards pick me, right? I'm going to go out there. I'm going to fight my ass off. And she did. She did. She was so brilliant. I mean, she was one of two skaters in the entire event trying a triple oxal. And it was the best triple oxal I've ever seen. And just knowing that she had that disappointment in the short program and then to come back and block out all the noise. And not only for team USA, but I mean, like you said, she was at the top of the leader board for so long because of what she laid down, but also just her journey to get here. She is the definition of perseverance so this story for me was she did it for herself. She was out there skating the Olympic program of a lifetime. And I had chills. I couldn't have been happier for her. The fist bump at the end was like the fist pump was so fulfilling. It felt like we she like let us all into like that moment of like, yes, yeah, it was so good. It was so good. Jason and I were lucky enough to go to the women's short program figure skating the other night. And we watched, then we got to watch Alyssa last night on TV, but still very exciting. Forgive me for this basic question, but what makes Alyssa so fucking good? I think the fact that she's put down all of the pressure that most athletes feel. And it's a rare talent that she has to be able to do that. And it's something that I don't even completely understand. She is so herself on the ice and her performances are for her and to display her art to the world. And that's a really rare mindset for a figure skater because our whole lives are judged. And everything we've ever done on the giant ice cube that we live on is judged and there are strangers that are in charge of your entire future. They tell you if you're good enough or not, and it's a really hard place to be because you want to be yourself. But at the same time, you want to please judges so that you win the medals and have the glory and all of that stuff. And somehow she has just put it all down. And I absolutely love that about her performances because it just makes you feel like you're a part of her world and she's not going to curve for anyone. Yeah. That's what I love it. There's no filter. She is doing it the way she wants to do it. And watching her skate last night, you know, the joy and the smile, it was one of the best Olympic gold medal skates I've ever seen. I will say they're watching. We watched a decent amount of figure skating the other night at the short program. And again, as being a winter sport dumb person, bear with me on this. But I really felt like after watching so many people who were so technically sound, it seemed but almost like crisp in a technical way, to watch Alyssa and the fluidity that she has and the way that she, it's almost like you can feel that she's being artistic with her performance. It is such a pleasure to watch. Like it really looks like she is enjoying herself while she's performing. She's 100% enjoying herself and that's really hard when you get to an Olympic Games, you have four minutes to prove yourself and it could change the trajectory of your life. So there's a lot of pressure there. So to be able to put that aside and remember why you love what you do and then show it to an audience, that is a special talent and that's what she delivers so well. And she's just so authentically herself. So I feel like that's why she had an advantage of her, everyone else there. To be able to go out there and skate like there wasn't pressure and have that freedom because that's what an Olympic skate is. Now you mentioned the four-year gap between Olympics and I think it's so important to acknowledge that because it really is especially if your winter sports on like me, you watch it and you're so invested while the Olympics are happening. How can we bridge that gap? How can we bridge that four-year gap and scratch the edge of making sure that we can still tune in to figure skating that we're still clued into what our athletes for the US are doing and how they're fairing in competition? Where do we get that? Well, I mean, I think that's our whole goal when we're commentating especially at an Olympic Games is to attract new viewers, people that may have never watched figure skating before and introduce them to these incredible personalities that then they can, you know, become fans of and follow their careers because it doesn't end after the Olympics are over. You know, there's a world championships in a month, you know, that all of these skaters are going to. And then next year they're on the Grand Prix Circuit and Johnny and I actually commentate every single weekend during our season. It's just, it's just up against football and sports like that, that, you know. So we, so we can tune in to these events. Yes. And we should. Yes, you should. Because now we're invested in these athletes and Tara and Johnny are going to tell us about them more. Yes. And you're going to teach us about what they're doing. Absolutely. So we just need to tune into these broadcasts. You said in a month we have world, we have the world championships in a month. Okay. And then in the end of September, beginning of October starts our skating season all the way through March. So every single year we, we commentate all those events on NBC October March. It's not every single weekend through the fall and winter, but you can follow us on social media. You can follow the skaters that you love the most from here. So we, we always keep everyone updated with what we're doing, but our season is the same every year. The Olympics is the, the, the special event that comes up every four years for us. That's such good intel. Thank you so much for that. I will be tuning in because you never know. Sometimes football season ends unexpectedly. Right. Right. Oh. You might need something to do. Right. Or sometimes there's Thursday or Monday games. Right. And then you have your week. Yes. Yes. We're going to figure skating. Wow. Thank you. Oh, and the chiefs and the chiefs, oh, and Monday night football. Great. Yes. Monday night football. Yes. Yes. And that's a wrap on our not going to lie. Winter Olympics extravaganza. I hope you loved watching it as much as we all loved making it. 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