Kylie & Joanna Gaines on Marrying the Funny Guy, ‘Fixer Upper’ Shiplap Fever & Birthing a Starting 5 | Ep. 88

I think there's no denying that you personally put Sheplap on the map. Do people still bring this up to you? - Every day. - Or would you have more kids? - Five is a good number. - Is it? - I'm gonna put the fun in Fundal Massage. Not really. They're terrible. - Well, Chip has taught all of us, even me. I can't drop a thing because since all of my kids were little, he would call it it into the world drill, where he would have like my favorite glassware or my favorite plate at the end of dinner. He'd be like, into the world and he'd throw it. - Not gonna lie. - I don't know about you guys, but I think my kids have confused bedtime with party time, okay? Because it feels like they check the clock. They're like, eight, three. Start the club music. (kissing noises) I need a snack. (kissing noises) I need a back scratch. (kissing noises) I need a water bottle. (kissing noises) I didn't brush my teeth. It's eight, 30. (kissing noises) It's time to close your eyes. (upbeat music) (sighs) Let's get this podcast started. (upbeat music) Welcome back to a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie, a wave original brought to you by Apple Gift Card. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. Amateur Irish dancer trained until the age of 12, I think. Yeah, every year, St. Patty's Day rolls around. And there's a video that resurfaces of me Irish dancing in a bar with kids. I said what I said. Firm believer in waiting until after Thanksgiving to put up Christmas decorations. We don't do that November first thing around here. Guys, it's not, we will give respect to Thanksgiving. And not necessarily for like all that it stands for 'cause like, you know, are we, I don't, no mind. Put some respect on that table. Also, I am wife to Jason Daniel. Born this exact day, that's right. This is November 5th. He was born November 5th, 2001. Yep, he's 25 because of course, you got it. I'm 24, I'm kidding. What I will tell you is, I'm not gonna tell you what year he was born. Travis is Jersey. What I will tell you is, that sucker's got five years on me. And I will always have that. Spring chicken, that's me. More importantly, today, my will, my will jeep up. Well, it's birthday. I love a chance to celebrate him. I love when the girls get to celebrate, like girls getting to celebrate people's birthdays, besides the fact that they're obsessed with is it time for cake? Is it time for cake? Is it time for cake? It's so sweet when they wake up in the morning and they run and they're like, "Happy birthday!" I wanna wish you a happy birthday, Jay. I know you don't listen to this show 'cause you got bigger things to take care of and more important things to do, but I love it. And also, he's about to be 40. Next year he'll be 40, 40, 40. That's crazy, old, old. Just a bag of dust. But you know what he is? He's my silver fox. Yeah, he is mine. Anyway, coming up on today's episode, I'm gonna put the fun in Fundal Massage, excuse me. Not really, they're terrible. I'm also gonna answer some fresh questions. The real ones have about your piercing in the Kelsey household and getting an NWSL team to filly. Guys, I'm trying. I want them here. I'm with you. After that, I'm gonna be joined by the iconic co-host of one of the best shows on TV, Fixer Upper. She's the designer of a generation, Mom of Five, Joanna Gaines. Oh God, guys, guys, you're gonna wanna stay tuned for this one. Much like the way she designs a home. This conversation was like a warm freaking hug. Before we get to all that, an exciting NGL announcement. Ooh, what is it? Since the real ones loved my very honest postpartum gift guide earlier this year, shout out to Witch Hazel Pads and Derma Plast, 'cause they'll keep us going. We've decided to turn my gift guides into a brand new series. That's right, it's called Kylie's Picks. And it's gonna launch with a special holiday edition called You Guest It, Kylie's Holiday Picks, Real Creative. Look at us go. We like to keep it simple, okay? This will be a part of our Thanksgiving special dropping November 19th. I'm going to reveal my top picks for a holiday gifts this year and most importantly, I'm dead serious. This was one of the most important things about planning this episode. I'm giving the real ones exclusive discounts, okay? Because here's what I think. I think if we start shopping on November 19th, that we will be ahead of the curve, that we will get things in time for the holidays, and we'll get a discount. What could be, literally, what could be better? We've been working on this since when, May? When did we start working on this? Minimum May. We talked about it last year. We put it in action in May. We've been at this for a while. So I need you guys to get excited because I am very excited, okay? These brands that we have had come in was invite only, literally brands that I love 'cause they're my picks, get it? And 10 real ones will also be chosen to win a giveaway with an estimated value of $4,000. That includes one of everything on my list. That was not, I said those numbers, and they were correct, guys, happy fucking holidays. You can enter for a chance to win the giveaway starting right now. You click the link in the description. We're gonna reveal five winners on the show on the 11, 19 and five more on 12, three. So make sure you set your alerts. I think that's the little bell. Is that what it is? But yeah, the little bell, click that. All right, that's it for announcements. Next up, let's get right into it with our real one comment of the week brought to you by Pandora. And this week's comment is from Tracy McDonald who said, "Can we get Judge Jake to hook Jason and Travis up to a period simulator for the other podcast?" Or this one, whichever. First of all, I appreciate the proper terminology used here when she referenced the other podcast. I think that this would be a fascinating experiment and I'm 100% in. I love this a whole lot. We could get Jen Hamilton back on and she could coach him through labor. Or not, she could just stand there and laugh with us. That would also be fun. Here's the only problem. As much as I don't wanna admit it, I'm talking about two very tough individuals. I know, I know, I want to see them fall on their faces when they get hooked up to a period simulator. Okay. I would love to see them just absolutely writhing and pain on the floor, but I fear that I have some insight into injuries that they have endured while still participating in football. And I think they may have been training for this moment. So I don't know, Tracy. I don't know that this is gonna be a satisfying as you think it's gonna be. I have to, I hate to be that person, but I think they might be good at it. I know, they're just good at everything. I don't know what Donna and Ed were doing, but kudos to them because whether it's genetics, the way they were raised or a mix of both, they're just good at everything, it's unnerving. But also, they're my family, so it's also great. All right, that's it for real one comment of the week brought to you by Pandora. Let's keep it moving with a little doom scroll the week brought to you by KitchenAid. First up on doom scroll. If you don't know what a fundamental massage is, I'm so happy for you, but I'm afraid, it's time to find out. Queen Emma, the clip, please. (chanting) (chanting) I'll be back in 45 seconds. Oh my God. Now, for those of you who don't know, I do have the scientific definition here. This is a medical technique where healthcare provider firmly squeezes or rubs on the top of your uterus through the abdomen to stimulate muscle contractions and prevent or stop heavy bleeding. In other words, the nursing staff will come in and basically take their hand at the top of your uterus and press down towards the exit. to, like it's saying here, force the contractions and stimulate your uterus, contracting and hopefully preventing or stopping heavy bleeding. Now, this is a very accurate representation and by that I mean the humor in this is absolutely spot on. It happens more often than you would like it to, because you would like it to never happen. And once it's the crazy part is, oh God, am I going to say this out loud? I think I'm going to say it out loud. We can believe it if we feel that it's too graphic. The crazy part is is that when that push happens, so does a gush. Yeah. Yeah. I literally I'm not kidding. So like after you have had all of that contractions for hours in your abdominal muscles are like in pain and sore and you just did one of the most impressive physical feats of your life, no matter which way that baby came out, let's always, always going to say that. And then they come in and they massage your belly. I literally can think of the exact feeling. It takes your breath away a little bit and it sucks ass. Okay, I'm going to move on because I can't stop thinking about the feeling and it's kind of, it's freaking me out, but I do love the humor that you tied into this because sometimes if you don't laugh, you'll cry. Yes, for that. The last girl, mom shamers will clearly stop at nothing, not even elite butter puns. Queen Emma. So my daughter turns one in a couple weeks or having a birthday party and I was talking to this like group of moms, which I probably won't ever do again after this interaction. And everyone's talking and I shared like, oh yeah, like my daughter's birthday party is coming up. The theme is churning one. How fun is that? It's butter themed. And everyone for the most part was fucking normal. And then this one bitch goes, oh, that's interesting. Does she, does she like butter? We haven't introduced, fuck if I know what his name is, I forgot it immediately. We haven't introduced Jebediah to facts like that. Also, okay, lame. Second of all, what? I was like, well, I mean, I guess she has had butter, but also like this is for me to celebrate that I kept her alive for a year. Guys, first birthdays are not for the child. They're not for the child. This mom nailed this thought. First birthdays are for the parents for keeping that child alive for one whole year. Okay. No. Also, she brings up a great point. Okay. They're one. They're actually just excited that they're probably going to get to eat cake and people that they love are over at their house. Okay. Let's, that's that. First birthday party is for mom and dad. You did a good job. You've been parents for a year and let's celebrate the fact that they're here and that we love them and we've gotten to experience them for a whole year. Lastly, let's, let's pack up that negativity. Okay. And let's keep it to your fucking self or even better idea. Get rid of it because I don't think you need it either. Silly question. No, granted. I have four children and I say I'm not qualified to give advice. So this is a genuine question. By one year old, has your child not had butter? Now granted, I don't think it was like the way my older kids treat butter, but like now, like, butter is basically a food group. I can convince them to eat things if it tastes buttery. Now, does that always mean I'm adding butter? No. Sometimes it means that it's a chicken cutlet fried and oil and then salted nicely. Okay. Not too much salt. Don't get in my DMs about the fucking salt. Please God. No. Fins my most recent. I'm trying to think of like what she knew at one year old that could have been a birthday theme. I literally have nothing. Like ultimately, the thing that got her the most clearly like excited that was like a regular thing that she saw was berries or fruit. And you're telling me you want a fruit themed birthday party so that I have to have fruit all over the place, which then she will want to eat, which then she will shit nonstop for it. Get out of here. I'm done with you. I actually, I'm done. I don't like this. Turns out rage bait. Anyway, that's it for Doom's Girl the Week brought to you by KitchenAid. Joanna Gaines is coming up a first. The return of ask me some things because ask me anything needed boundaries. That's right. You guys reel it in. Good God. Ask me some things is brought to you by Apple GIF card. Visit applegiftcard.apple.com to learn more and gift one today. Kylie, what would be the first thing you'd buy with an Apple GIF card? The first thing I would buy with an Apple GIF card would be another set of AirPods. Why did I say it like that? You know exactly why. Because it's nice to have two AirPods. God forbid. Your child finds your AirPods case one time. I couldn't figure out who had the case. Someone had the case and had taken one out because my Bluetooth triggered on my phone, but it was chaos. Okay, first question. Rapid fire from Stephanie. Do you have a favorite perfume or scent? Thank you so much for asking. I don't wear perfume very often, but I like Dolce and Gabbana light blue. I've been wearing it for a very long time. High school? Yes. I love it. It's fresh and it's like kind of lemony. I like it a lot. I, oh, Hanema said we've talked about what a Jason candle would smell like. What would a Kylie candle smell like? Probably purel. Probably better pecan coffee syrup. Maybe a hint of wet dog. I like to snuggle my dogs. I don't know what to tell you. That's that. I do love the smell of laundry detergent. I know it's not healthy to have like the super smelly laundry detergent. I love this. I love the smell of fresh laundry. like crisp linen. Queen Emma said Jason insert winky face emoji here. Gotcha. No, I would not smell like Jason. Although I do love to snuggle him. I love to snuggle my dogs and I love to snuggle my husband. Okay. Next up from just gars. Do your daughters have their ears pierced? No, they do not. This has been a conversation that we've had multiple times. Why it has said that she wanted to get them done. I almost folded. And then when I was like, all right, she was like, no, I don't want needles in my ears. So I think it's going to be a while. I did not get my ears pierced until I was 13 years old. That was my pediatricians threshold. And my mom said that's a great timeline. I like that. And so that's what we did. Now, I got my first holes. And then when I was, I don't know, 20, I proceeded to get five more holes in my ears in one day. I think it was, no, four more holes in my ears one day. I don't know. I had fun later on in life. But I am not opposed to them getting their ears pierced. But I do want it to be a conscious decision. And I also would like to do it when they can take care of the piercing themselves. I want them to hold the responsibility of using the ear wash and the Q tip and cleaning off the piercing every day so that they feel the responsibility of that decision. And lastly, from Maureen, Kylie Philly needs an NWSL team, don't you think? Yes, I do, Maureen. Thank you for saying that. The game that we went to watch in Chester at the Union Stadium was the US Women's National team. And it was so much fun. The vibe in the stadium, everyone there was so excited to get to watch this team play. And it was a blast. And that was just a friendly. 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I have my little dangly hearts because look, they add a little dimension to it. How cute is that? The girls get excited when they get to be represented in something that I'm wearing or something that includes them. You can see like a little sparkle hits their eye because they know it's for them. Can you see the letter on there? Oh, I think you can. That's a jay from a hub. Whether you're adding a festive charm to celebrate the season or checking off your holiday gift list, Pandora makes it easy to find something meaningful. It's such a sweet way to be able to personalize something for someone. They really do have charms for everything that you could possibly think of, and they're a beautiful collection. Honestly, there's never a bad time to find something special at Pandora. Make this season uniquely yours. Shop in store or online at pandora.net. Now you have five. Tell me the lineup. The lineup is Drake is 21. Ella is 20. Duke is 18. Emmy is almost 17. And crew is eight. You guys have, you guys have the perfect mix. You went every other. It is. And it was just, and even the, you know, we, we were so at that point in our lives, we weren't planning anything. We were literally just like flying by the seat of our pants. And I was like, oh, like weren't, weren't planning this like four under four thing because at one point, I had three and diapers still because I couldn't figure out how to like, I was still figuring out the potty training thing, but I just feel like it was so chaotic and fun. And I loved it. And now the way that they're so close. Yeah. Like this week, they were all home because it's my daughters. It was a 20th birthday. And all the grown kids like, don't on crew, my little one, but the four of them are like the best of friends. And she when I just sit in the background and watch them and we're like, all of that was worth this moment. Do you feel like because of the age gap that you have that you find yourself sort of, I don't know, like more deeply, um, and grossing yourself in what's going on with your youngest? Yes. That's why I feel like he's taught us is I now see the what's happening and how fast it goes with my older ones. And like, you're holding this, like, I don't know how you'll be when your girls go out to college terrible. I was a mess. I actually surprised myself. I didn't know I had that range of emotions in me. I was I've always been very like stable and even kill. And once my first kid, it's like, I haven't stopped crying since right left. He's a senior in college and I still cry. Like something woke up in me. And so now that I know what's coming, I'm like, oh, eight feels like he's eight. I know how fast this goes. Right. So that perspective is like, you know, I don't want to like hoard the kid, but I'm like, but also don't miss the moment. Would you have more kids? So it's funny. That was one of the questions that we talked about. Five is a good number. Is it? And it's going to be a boy. I think you should do it. I feel like you two thrive in chaos. We do. We enjoy chaos. Come on. I think one more. So special. Yes. Thank you. Obviously give some time. When I had crew at 40, I said, Chip, I want him to have more siblings. I really thought I'd have nine children. I mean, I'm not lady. Look at my hair. Don't look like a lady with a nine kids. And he was not open to it. Guess who's open to it now? Of course. You know what he's doing? He's telling everybody I'm pregnant. And just for the record, I'm not. Hope he he's literally his parents came to the football government. He's like, Joe, tell mom and dad. So he's he told our grown kids, mom is pregnant. My daughter said, I'm not coming home. If this is true. He's like trying to speak it out into the universe. We did the speaking thing last week in front of 2,000 people. And he said, if anyone has any connection to TMC, will you tell them that my wife is? So that whole audience thinks I'm pregnant. Wow. I don't know what's happened, but I'm not. I'm just saying Kylie busted out. It's going to be your little boy. And it's going to rock your world because it's totally different than girls. And it's another spot in your heart. Oh, or even if it's a girl, great, because five girls is a party house. It's a starting five, isn't it? But I just love the number five for for people who thrive in chaos. It's the most fun for more babies if I could too. So if we have a fifth child, I'm going to come right back to this moment right here. Let me do the nursery. Joe did it. It was no, I'm going to give you an intro because otherwise Emma will be very sad if I don't. Okay. And then we'll we'll kick off like a more official version of this. She's the beloved co-host of one of my favorite TV shows, Fixer Upper, an unbelievable interior designer, co-founder of Magnolia, a mom of five, a fellow wife to a goofball husband, the unofficial ambassador for ship lap. Don't worry. We'll get into that. Okay. And now she's officially not going to lie. Joanna Geens, welcome to the show. Kylie, thank you so much. I'm so excited to talk to you because I have watched Fixer Upper forever. It feels like I do have to check though because you guys are very strong in your love for Waco Texas. Yes. I always check with my Texas guests. Are you are you a cowboy's fan? I'm a chief's fan. I was hoping you were going to say that. Did you hear I almost misspoke? Do you know that this is the rivalry in our house is that chip grip and Dallas. So he's for sure his whole family are Cowboys fans. Everyone has their flaws. So I've always been a chief's fan. My dad is a chief's fan. So I am a chief's fan. I love this so much. But hi, Cowboys. You're awesome. No, no, no, no. No, go chiefs. Go chiefs and go birds. Yes. We I'm very glad you said that. We in our research. I saw that you grew up in Kansas and I was like, I feel like she's an intelligent woman. And she will know better. Now, are you guys a big sports household? We are. All the kids are in sports. Chip was he played baseball. We love sports. Duke is a baseball football player. My older boy was a football player, volleyball. It's athletics is happening every night of the week. We love sports. Is that fun? It's so fun. It's so fun. It's also chaotic because like tonight there's a football game and a volleyball game two hours away. And so it's like, how do you do this as a parent? Divide and conquer. Yeah. But crew who's eight were like, I think he's going to be a musician. My other four all were in the sports. I was going to say, you've worn out the athleticism. Now you're going to get your artsy. I'm like, hey, let's pick up the guitar buddy. Like you've seen what you needed to see is what you're saying. Yeah. And I just don't know if he is going to be like, Chip is like, like, you know, there's some natural things that come. And I'm like, well, you need to just work with him. But right now, like when my boys were eight and they were playing baseball, they knew the game. Sure. Duke crew. He is just having a blast being out there. And he he's doing the opposite of like, you know, is he's one looking for like four leaf clovers in the outfield? That's my boy. Yes. Yes. He grew up in the garden. So it's going to say, I feel like it's crazy because as much as yes, you can coach kids up and you can give them the experience and practice and all that stuff. I do think there is a degree of like we can see it now with our kids and just like the way their movement develops where you're like, yes, I don't think this sport's going to be where you know what I mean? You start to be like, I don't know that the hand eye is there for you to be in a ball sport. Yes. You know, well, Chip has taught all of us, even me there, I can't drop a thing because since all of my kids were little, he would call it it into the world drill where he would have like my favorite glassware or my favorite plate at the end of dinner. He'd like into the world and he'd throw it at someone. And if it breaks, that means the end of the world, we all die. And so all of us know how to catch. Like you won't believe it. He can throw us anything and we catch because we didn't want the end of the world happening. Crew, we've died several times into the world drills. Are all your girls athletic? They do the sports. So we have seven, five, three, and one. Hold on. Seven, - Yup. - Five, three, wow. - Yes. - Wow. Yup. are. That's fun. It seems as though are three-year-old. So our third. I'm not sure that she's going to be deep in athletics. Okay. And if she is, we might just need to find like a niche somewhere. Okay. My second is like, like, I played field hockey. I still coach field hockey. She's very much like, I'll play field hockey. And I'm like, that's very sweet of you. But she's our sweetest, like by far, our oldest is trying soccer. She's trying gymnastics. She tried a little bit of Irish dancing. She's tried a few things. She has some reviews and she does not let them. She doesn't hold them back. So recently she said, she said, like, I don't know why you keep doing this. And I say, keep doing what? She's inciting me up for soccer. I was like, well, I've only signed you up for soccer three times at this point. There's your third time and you're doing great. That day she scored a goal and suddenly flipped the scrubs like now. She's like, I play soccer. Yes. I've seen it. That's amazing. Now, having experienced the different ages that you have experienced with your kids, do you have a favorite phase of motherhood? I love this question. I feel like I hate saying it, because it's like, I'm in it right now. I feel like it's so weird because how much I've cried the last three years, when I dropped to Ella off, I almost died because I couldn't breathe. I was crying so hard. I was in the room by myself, because chips stayed home with her. And I couldn't breathe. I thought I was going to die. And I said to myself, if you don't pull it together, you're going to die. So I was like, oh, I had to like coach myself out of death because I was so sad. This is, again, I didn't know I had that in me. But knowing that feeling of like, what is the word? It's not grief, but just like, letting like what was is no longer there. Like the memory of it is what is like in my mind, but knowing that as a family unit, we're never going to look like that again, like ever. So there's that sadness, but then there's this other side that's so much bigger than that sadness of like, but they're becoming something so amazing. I'm so like, this is to me right now, the most fun part. Last night, I was like in the laundry room and I heard one of the kids say, Mom, come hang out with us. And I'm like, oh, okay, so I put the laundry down and I ran in there. And I was like, don't be a dork. Don't be a dork. Play cool. And of course, they were like, natural making fun of me the whole time. I was like, I guess this is part of it. Now I'm just the brunt of the jokes, which is why they want to hang out with me. But I love the stage because their brains are like, they're like friends. You know, they feel like friends to me. Yeah. And I think that's, is that kind of motherhood? Like every season, you're like, oh, this is the best. I will say, when they were younger and we were building the business and building our family, it was just so chaotic. There's so much I don't remember. And maybe that's like my regret is like, it really did feel like we were treading water. I mean, financially, we were kind of busted. Like, there were so many things we were fighting for. Yes. That felt like a blur to me. So I'll often go like, what was it? I would try to feel it again, but that feeling, I just, it's sad because it was just so much happening. Yep. And so now, just with that knowledge, I'm like, don't like, hold it. Now, I, I do want to ask on Fixer Upper, your home is always pristine. But as someone with a horde of children myself, did anyone ever run through a screen door or something in the middle of filming? Like, was there ever any degree of chaos or is it truly the state of your home? So that was the state of my home only because I'm like, I'm like a recovering perfectionist. I was telling you earlier, where my hair like this to be like, don't be like, stop it. But or, or is it because I'm Asian? Like, I grew up with my mom as a career who was like, tidy house is like, so it's just in me. It's an odd thing. Like at night, my final goodnight to the houses, counters, vacuum around the island. I'm just a weirdo. So for me, because there I think because our life was so chaotic, if my house isn't in order, it's like, it's, it's, I guess for me, it's like the grounding thing. Then my brain can't function. So that's kind of him with everything. It's like, right now, like my office, my desk was kind of a mess behind this. But when I come into the day, I have to find the order or I can't start my day. So the house was clean, but that is just how I've always been. I need some of that. And I made my kids help me. Like they knew where everything went. Like there was always a place for something. So, you know, but then I have my little sister who's like, it's chaotic. She has six kids. And I go in there. And I'm like, this life is happening and it's so fun. So I don't actually like trip out or I'm like, I love that she can be chill. And that's why Mikey is so cool, because she doesn't care. And I'm like, the uptight sister. And so that's the uptightness in me. I have my house is clean. It's clean. Oh, I need a little bit of that. Now, having five kids, what is the most destructive thing that they have done to your house? Anything crazy? No, they do. It was more what happens on the outside of the house. All of my well, Drake, my oldest and crew were very obsessed with fire. Love it. So they would just start many fires that thank God we caught them in time. Because now, you know, it's just kind of scary. How were they starting them? They would start many bonfires in our backyard. Because they would see chip do that with our burn pile because we live on a farm. And so they would create these burn piles, but by and very close to the house. Sure. So it's just stuff like that. It was more what was happening on the outside, but also the farmhouse. And it's evolved over the years. I the fact that you watched Fixers so funny, I'm like, I've tried to go back to like, because even those days, I don't remember. It is a weird thing. How your body and your mind maybe like that. That was such a wild time for us that there's like a block in my brain. I think sometimes it's like a protective. I think it is like your brain tries to protect you from the times where you're you're in what I would refer to as like a survival mode. Like your brain is like, we just have to get. And I think that it's less. I always hesitate on calling like what we're in right now survival mode because I think that people who have kids that are older are like, no, you should love it and you should enjoy every second and all these things. I'm like, guys, that's hard. You're telling me because you're looking back and being like, I miss it. But in that moment, you are also having the same. It's almost like a just like a mental response, like a psychological response of protection of yourself. I think that's what it is. Yeah, for sure. Because I experience that now. Like I realize that I'm yeah, that I that like something has happened. I'm like, oh, I completely forgot about that. Yeah, I think it's a protection thing. I think even when I think about fixer and we were so naive getting into it, we honestly didn't know what it was going to become. We didn't we didn't watch the shows. We didn't know like, we just didn't know. And so even putting our kids on like we thought this is going to be a local commercial for our business. And then when it became this thing, and we were doing 18 to 25 houses a year for the show and then houses on the side and then building the retail store and building our family are kids for little. They were, I think we homeschooled them at that point because we I couldn't like get him to school on time. I don't I'm trying to remember that my point is is like, now we do one fixer a year. Yes. And I'm like, it's exhausting. I don't know how we did that, especially at that stage where kids were little. And but again, I when I look back, I do look back with this like fawn sense of like chip and I've always thrived in chaos. Like it's just us. We from the day we got married, we were doing things we probably shouldn't be doing. And then they'd pan out to be pretty cool. Like we were just always chaos like four kids really quick. Our business, this fixer thing. And so part of me just like this is our life. Like well, this is what I signed up for because I married chip gains. But it is fascinating to me that all we were doing in that five year window of fixer. Now I look back and the stamina I have for just one fixer is like, we did we literally it's so it's just it's crazy. But even with the kids, I hear that now because now that my kids are they're older, I think it shocks people because they like froze in time. And when I see those moments like on the show, like we don't watch it, I can't watch it, you know, I just I don't want to relive it. But it is when I see my kids, I'm like, how are they adults now? And I think it's shocking like all my kids today are going to go on the grounds and shop because we have this big vendor fair. Today's like our opening day for celebration. So we've got 100 vendors on the grounds and all my kids are going to go shop it. No one knows who they like they go and no one knows their ours. We're back then when they were that age and we were naive and didn't know like the world's going to see them and people were noticing them left and right. And it was a bit hard for my kid. Of course, like I didn't know it was right signing them up for that, which is where once I knew that's when we like pulled it and we're like, you're never seen. I don't I just want my kids to feel like their own things and not like, oh, you're chip and Joe's kids. And so now seeing them as they get older and no one knows, it's kind of fun to see them in this iteration of like they're going to our business and getting to be in it like the normal person, no one's going to mess with them, but when they're a little, they got messed with and I don't even know why I segueed into that. Again, it's not like I am upset about it, but it was just we were so naive. Like, what were you thinking? I do think that that is like even something that we have navigated now. Like our kids are young and obviously there are situations we can't control like being out in public and whatever and also like I always say like we're not going to like hole up in our house and like keep our kids hidden like we're not hermits. We would like them to go out and experience the world but at the same time like it is it is interesting to try and navigate those moments with kids because I was explained it that I think that people sort of lose sight and their excitement overrides like social etiquette or like proper social behavior that like their excitement is like oh my gosh, that's whoever and it's like whoever is five years old and like they every single time we get out of the car when we're going somewhere, I'm like just because someone knows mom's name does not mean that mom knows them or just because someone might call you by your name, you might not know them. And so those are the moments where I'm like I have to prepare my seven, five and three year old for adults that like can't get on the other side of an appropriate social interaction. But you're doing so good Kylie because we weren't we were like the process you're processing with your kids, even that took us a second to because we were processing it has like very normal Waco people like we were shocked every time someone came up to us like wait you not like it was we were still trying to figure out how do we absorb this that you know now obviously the hindsight of it and getting to but I love that how healthy that is just your conversation with your kids and how you approach that. Yeah, it's it's it's I hope that they are prepared for that. And I hope that they don't feel mostly just uncomfortable right? Like you don't want to put your kids in a situation where they don't feel comfy. But one of the things I mentioned earlier, I think it's safe to say that we both married the funny guy. Oh for sure. The life of the party every time I walk in the room, the question is where's Chip where I'm like, yeah, he's he's coming or he's not I mean, I'm always like what about me? I'm fun too. I'm fun. How many years have you guys been married? We got married in 2003 and we are now in the year of 2000 and 26, so 23 years. What's the secret for 23 years? Oh, what's the secret? I love just how opposite we are. I do feel like once you once you understand that chip strengths and my strengths are very different, but together it really does create like magic. There's a tension there, but then there's like a power there that really happens when you embrace it versus like, you know, has some people are like, I think for both of us, we're okay evolving. It's not like this is who I am and that's who you are. We're constantly like pushing each other to our best in the season and it really is because of Chip. I mean, if you're up to me, I'm like, I'd have been the same person I was at 14. Like, I always joke, I'm literally wearing the same brand eyeliner blush and lipstick. Sometimes I turn 13, I'm the same person makeup, besides the tidy house, I think we're the same person. Like, I just don't, I love the predictability that whatever. And then Chip is just like challenging me every day of like, but I think it's holding each other's differences with this respect and almost this all. Like, I look at Chip and I'm like, dang, you're just, I'm so jealous of the way he can just be Chip and say it and not care and not carry it. He's just good at that. And then he would say on the other side, hey, I like how you're a little more thoughtful and when you say like, we're just, so I think that and I also think being in, I feel like in every season, even though I call it chaos, but finding that discomfort in every season and working through that together really does make you stronger. And Chip and I would say every year, there's always something that's uncomfortable or that's challenging us, we're never, we've never had the luxury of just like coasting. It's always been like, what's the challenge of the week or and, you know, back then in 2008, the challenge was how do we pay our employees? How do we pay our vendors? How do we not go bankrupt and, you know, the challenge this week is a little different, but it's like, there's always a challenge so that we're never just comfortable with each other. And we're always learning something that would be very boring. Yes. And that was a very long answer. But even like last year, we took up country dancing like, let's go. So it's like, how do you, and Chip was so nervous when we were dancing with the instructor, he was like sweating so much and like, Chip, what are you doing? You're like, and he's like, I'm so nervous and I, and so the other weird thing, and I don't know if this has happened to y'all, but there's a shift happening and I am turning more into Chip and Chip is turning more into me and that's funny to watch. So just like I said with our kids, there's this unfolding that happens every year and you're like, who are you? This is fun. This is really me and Chip like we're moving into the season of every year. He's turning a little more introverted and I'm turning a little more extraverted. He's turning a little more risk averse and I'm like, a monster, I'm like, let's go. Like I'm like, Chip, we're just getting started and he's like, no, we're retiring. And so we're literally, we're like, it's like dating all over again. He's getting to each other. He's used up all of his social tokens. He's like, and you're like, I've been saving my, yeah, for 45 years. So enjoying the unfolding and enjoying the evolution, but also always pushing each other to a way that's like good and not pushing in a naggy, like you're the worst, just more like, I don't know. I just encourage it. It's encouraging. It's an encouragement. Yes. No, I do love that you guys have shared some of your traditions with fans. Like on Valentine's Day when Chip has painted the silos with love notes to you. What is the most romantic thing that Chip has ever done for you? Oh, I still my favorite thing, he, when we were engaged, he, he still love writing poetry. He actually, I'm like, when's the last time you wrote me a poem, but he, but his poetry was like, red, dead, red set, like, it's just a little Dr. Sousa and I'm like, that's good. But he, he wrote me this poem. That I was reading it and then you drew me the, he, he didn't dream. He got these daisies. I don't, I don't even remember how he did it. He pressed these daisies, wrote the poem and underneath the pedals of the daisies were these two diamond earrings, like in the pedal. I don't even how to explain it, but he was such a romantic where he would just, we still write each other letters, like, we, you know, he'll write me a letter by the coffee. We always try to see where they can find it. He's just, he's just so good. He's just, he's a romantic at heart. He's a connector and he's like that with everyone. Like, that's what I think Chip loves about people is like that connection. And that's why I think, um, for him, like in the world we're in today with social and all the things. He's like, that's not real. What's real? And so he just pushes for what's real and I love that. Like, it's just, he's good. Now, I've told the story of how Jason, I met a few times, he famously fell asleep, uh, at the table after quite a few drinks. Um, what do you do when that happens? I left. Wait, wait, hold on, did you know him before? No. Was that really your first date? It was the first time I ever met him. A friend of mine and I kind of drunk before the day. No, oh, he was obliterated when I got there. He, there's only less than 45 minutes. This lasted, this lasted 45 minutes. And um, he fell asleep on the bar table after 45 minutes. My friend and I went there because we thought it was a catfish. We had come to this conclusion. We met on Tinder and believable. And we, my friend and I came to this conclusion of like, it has to be a catfish. There's no way like so she went with you. So she went with me for safety purposes and also because if we were going to laugh about it, we wanted to both have 100% been there for the story. Yeah. And we walked in. It was actually him. And so then we were like, oh, it's still kind of funny. What was he doing at the bar with his friends after the Eagles Christmas party? So they had gone to the Christmas party had a lot of fun. We'll call it. Okay. In 45 minutes after I got to the bar, he was asleep with his head down on the bar table. And so my friend and I just, we left. We were like, it's nice to meet you. And we left in there with his friends. He was safe. He was his friend. Right. Carried him home. It was fine. Oh, my goodness. But I've heard that you also have a memorable, memorable first date story. Yours is pretty memorable. Mine is just more that Chip was like, okay, he was like almost an hour and a half. He always gets mad when I say that my baby you were and he always tells our girls, if a guy is an hour and a half late, do me open the door. What was I doing? And so I was trapped. I was at my sister's apartment with her roommates. And he was supposed to be there at seven and it was okay, maybe like 815. But like every five minutes, I was like, okay, let's not open the door. Let's not like, I was like mad, but I also was like, I don't know what else to do because I actually really liked him when we met at my dad's fire stones. Like literally the story is like, I, he was coming to get breaks and he was coming to get a break job at Firestone because he'd seen me on commercials and he didn't need a break job because when I looked at his them like his history, he got like a break job four times a year. Tires when he didn't need him just because he wanted to meet the girl in the commercials. We meet and he says, aren't you the girl in the commercials and round off the bat? I was like, uh, like every time a guy says that, you're like now. But anyways, we I really liked our conversation and then we go on this, then he comes to pick me up. So I remember he's a good guy, but I'm like, he's late. Like he's literally late. What was his excuse? It's a mystery. He won't tell me. I guarantee you, he was either like breaking up this something fun. And I kind of like that I don't know. It's just fun. It's like the one thing I don't know about Jeff, but to his point during a body, he was like so disheveled and like frustrated and upset because so he was working through some stuff with somebody. But what's funny? So I open open the door. My sister, everyone's like mad at him. And I'm just like he's the enemy. He they are like mad. And I am just like I can have like a heart. It's exterior for a second, but I'm like a actual softie. And I'm like, hmm, I like felt sorry for him. I wasn't mad anymore. The date was wonderful. And then I mean, I don't know. I wish I could say more because I he just won't tell me. And I think he also likes that it's a mystery, but went on a date. And then this is a side want want story, but I was a gymnast growing up. And so I had a back surgery like randomly right after that date. And we were supposed to go to coffee and I like text him. I think because we had phones then. Did we have phones? I only say that because he had to collect call me a couple times. I don't remember. I just couldn't make the date. And I had to have back surgery. So we didn't talk for like four months. I was like, Oh, that was fine. Like and so it was over. And then it wasn't. And then he called me and he says this. He was like, I'm tired of playing these games. Oh yeah. I was like, what game? I was like, because he was waiting for me to call him. And I was like, well, I'm not calling you. So he was like, I think I was playing a game with him. In my mind, it was like over. And then we went on it. We went to basketball game. And then from there, it was like, we were engaged like a year later. That's such a nice mystery to have of like what was happening in that hour and 15 hour and a half. I know it involved a past relationship. I know it did, but I just don't know what. And even in that even in that three months, I'm like, I will say it's kind of romantic though to think that maybe it wasn't maybe it was like the, Hey, I have to cut ties here because I'm about to step into what I know is about to be the most magical thing that's ever happened in my life. I'm going with that. Okay. Yeah. Man, to go back, you want to talk about a reality show, watching us date. Like when Chip said he loved me three months in, which I was like, that's aggressive. Again, I'd never dated. So I was like, you don't say that until we're married at the altar, like literally a door quad. And when he said, I love you, we were playing basketball in the front yard. And he was like, I love you. And I go, thanks. And he goes, thanks. And I go, thank you. I didn't know. Like, why are you shocked? He wanted me to say, like, he grabs the basketball and leaves like a little bubble. And I was like, what happened? I didn't even know. I didn't even know like, oh, you say, I love you back. 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Learn to talk to boys. Like go on dates. He is very much an encourager of putting yourself out there and I want to like, hey you guys, I didn't start dating time. I was like 24 and look at me. I'm just great. You like in chip's point is like, yeah, but you were kind of weird. Like I know, I want my kids to like understand like when they go to college and I love this, his point is like, we work through it with them here. So when they go to college, they're prepared. Yeah, and I think that's really, really good. But I also think at 16, you're just young and like, there's like this, do you need to open that up yet? So, but what I love is my kids are so, they're me. So they're like, okay, dad, but they're not. They're busy. Yeah, but my boys, they both have, they have their girlfriends. My girls are kind of like, they're a little more like me where they're just like, when it needs to happen, it'll happen. I'll meet someone. It'll make me change my mind. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Oh, good luck there with four girls. I, I have dynamic of that. I've said multiple times that our oldest is so like, she will bat her eyelashes at any boy. She got like any boy. She sees she's batting eyelashes. She's like looking at him out of the side of her eyes. I'm like, you know what? That I can sleep soundly at night knowing that it will probably take until she's in college for boys to be mature enough to realize that like her being a force is actually like a great quality. So I have time. Yes. Because I think the boys in high school are going to be like, but for now I can, I think I can chill out. But yeah, I think, I think that I'm going to, I didn't have, I didn't date until I was 18. And even that was like, I was like, I think I had a boyfriend for like three or four months. And then I was like, that was enough of that. And then like a little while after I dated someone else for a little while. And I was just like, you know, like it just, so I don't, I'm hoping that they are on that track for our sweet children that we didn't, and I know social media that's such a topic right now. It's been one like, how do you navigate that? Like I think you've expressed it with girls and and identity. Now it's not just a boyfriend thing. It's like the identity of like who you are socially versus who you are internally. What the whole thing is just a complicated thing for them to navigate. So it's like, how do we raise these really cool humans that are like fine with it, fine without it, but it doesn't mark them. - Yes, I think the fine with it and fine without it is the most important. Like it's fine with and fine without not only for like social media that like we're in the process of like our kids are getting a little bit older, the conversation of like when did they get cell phones? Like we're in all of those conversations and which is crazy to think that our oldest is seven years old and people are like well when is your kid getting a cell phone? I'm like, what? - No. - She's seven, like it's moments like that, but the can do with and can do without is great because it's like you're emotionally prepared to handle those challenges that come along with social media. You're also fine to not be involved in it. - Right. - You don't feel like you're missing out. You feel secure enough in yourself. They're like I don't need to be hanging out scrolling to think that like I'm not involved. - Yeah, but also the, there's two ways that even like with one of my kids that went to this big public school, she, we didn't let them have social and this is what's funny. This is where it switches. It's chip. He's like you're not having social to your 18. Like so there's so many ways where he's like fun dad and like go experiment, but then there's certain areas where he doesn't play and I think social media was one where he always had a very hard line. And so when she went at 17 to this big public school, it's like okay, what's your social? What's your snap or whatever? And she had to navigate her way through that because that's the only way they connect at that age. But the confidence that she came having not having to have it and just being the one that didn't have it is now what I see now, she's just a bolder braver girl and she's fine with it or fine without it. And I'm not saying that's gonna happen all my kids 'cause we're still like in that navigation, but it's just there's something about it not being wrapped up in those years, entangling their little minds as they're becoming. - Mm-hmm. - So, but it's, I think to each his own, every family has their own thing. And I think as long as, like have y'all talked about when they date, when they wear makeup, when they're doing social, like do you have that plan or do you not have that plan? - I think that it'll roll out. So I have said, and my husband's just like, yeah, that makes sense. About having cell phones I've talked about that will have kitchen phones that'll basically be cell phones like if they are going in seventh, eighth grade to a sports practice, they will take the cell phone with them. Otherwise the phone will live in the kitchen and like everybody will have the code to the phone and they can text their friends on the phone, they can call their friends on the phone, but the phone lives in the kitchen. So like if you're using the phone, you are also in the kitchen or on the first floor of the house. And you're not gonna have social media, you're not gonna be like Snapchatting people, that will not be the case. And just having the awareness of like, well my sister's also will be using this phone and mom and dad have access to this phone, knowing that like you're being not necessarily that I wanna be in your business, but like I will monitor you if necessary. - Yeah. - Just because I think like this idea of like this freedom of like what's on the internet having access to that on any cell phone, what's, it's just to me I don't think it's like a necessary thing and like you're talking about what like can do with, can do without like, yes, you should know how to work a device and you should know how to use technology, but at the same time I don't think you need unlimited access to all of the information on the internet. - Yes. - I don't even want access to all the information. - From adults. - Like let's do not good for us. - Correct. So like I, we've had the conversation of the kitchen phone, we have, I feel very strongly that I don't want our kids to have social media probably 16 feels like the absolute earliest. - I would love to wait until they go to college because I think that that's, but again to me 16 is like, okay, maybe we get a year or two in where you're under our roof and you're in this house and I get eyes on it. It's like, it's the craziest thing also because when I was in high school that was sort of like, smartphones were happening and we were learning that and we were having access to more information and we had social media and to me it feels like there was a chance that in 10 years when our oldest is 17, is there gonna be something new that we have to be like, do we put a boundary on this? - Oh my gosh, there will be, yeah. - I do think it's really important you said it a couple times about like not having judgment for the way other people raise their kids and I think that that is, I think that people lose sight of the fact that like, the decisions that parents make for their own children is what creates unique individuals. - 100%. And isn't that like one of the most beautiful things? Like ours, I always think back to like, Jason and I were raised differently and not in a bad way, but like my in-laws made my person. And so like those are the moments where you can appreciate like the way you're raised, whether it's similar, different, whatever, it makes a unique individual. - Yes. - And how beautiful is that the like, the world is full of unique individuals? - And we're all guessing. - Yes. - No one knows what we're doing. - No, no one knows. And I think that's what I love is like we're all guessing and we're all really rooting for each other. And I do think there's times where people turn and each other like, how dare, why? What? And it's just like, it's again the trust in, those are your children, how you, I can't, I can't wait to celebrate who they become, but it isn't, I mean, it should look different. - We're creating like these little human beings that are different than anybody on the planet Earth. So it's not gonna have a formula. It's not gonna have a, and every kid is so different. I mean, that's the other thing. It's like one kid that can have social at 16. Another one couldn't have until they're like 80. Like it's just, there's not a formula that it's like copy, pay. So I do, I always, I always hate when I talk about social 'cause I feel like if we did it at 18, then I don't want anyone feeling bad for doing it at 12. It's just that's what when we see our kids and we see our life for like, this is what's right for us. - Yes. - And then trusting that whatever you do is right for y'all. Let's take fun. We're all guessing and let's just all, let's just look. - We are all winging it. - We're winging it. - We're winging everything, we're winging. I'm winging this bit, like everything. No one knows the answers. That's what I'm learning about all of this. We're all, you just be a good guesser. Hopefully we're good guessers. - Now, shifting gears a little bit. I said this in your intro as well. I think there's no denying that you personally put Shep lap on the map. - That's so funny. - Do you think that's fair to say? - I mean, I think the word, 'cause even the day we found it, I didn't know what it was called. I was like boards, chip put Shep lap on the map by discovering that's what it's called. Yes, I think in a lot of ways, the awareness of Shep lap was heightened because of a fixer. - Do people still bring this up to you? - Every day. - Oh, I thought it was gonna be like, is it only me? - No, it's like hashtag Shep lap. - Do they really? - Yes, because I, yeah. And you know what's funny is like, I can only imagine like someone in music like a band that has still making music. Like, and people are still referring to their. - Like, I just saw that you two, you know, they've got this new album and I'm so excited, but it's like, you know, they're still talking about the one, the one, and I'm like, oh man. But let me tell you about Shep lap. I'm gonna defend myself here, because every now and then I'll see like on social, it'll be like the modern farmhouse aesthetic is over. Oh, like you hear all this, but it's like in real life in 2013 and 2014, when the modern farmhouse aesthetic was rising, it really was like people wanted the open floor plan, people wanted, and that's when our lives got captured in that moment and time. And the hardest thing was I would do client meetings at the farm and there was Shep lap on the wall. So the clients would say, I want what your house looks like, can I have Shep lap on the wall? So that's really how the Shep lap, everyone got Shep lap. Yes, and then they're all like, I like Harry's face open. And so these clients really spent their money and they really asked for these designs. I can see how five seasons of it looks like JoJo is modern farmhouse aesthetic, but it's almost like what, because I kept going, fixer kind of ended in those series, I kept evolving. So it does feel like, you know, when you go back to your modern farm, I'm like, so not that, that's like so opposite of who I am, only because I'm all about like story, history, blah blah blah. I'm not really modern at all, but it's probably a chip on my shoulder, honestly. I did try to plaster my Shep lap at the farmhouse this year, 'cause I was like, yeah, let's do something new here. My kids and Shep wouldn't let me, but I see I was doing that out of something else of like, I just went change and I did change my whole kitchen and I changed some stuff, which feels really fun. It's a little more like European, but it's like old farm. Like that's the thing. It's like, I love old farm. I live on a farm. My house is over a hundred years old. I love history. I think the modern farm thing is where I kind of got pinned, but that's really not me. If that makes sense, maybe my clients. Yes. You pushed a button, but I love a lot of style. Like, look at my wife, I don't even know what this is. I don't know what my office is, but then my other room was like moody. I don't worry. I was gonna ask about that library off your record. Moody green. It's like saturated and moody. And then in here, it's like really bright and simple, 'cause it depends on when I'm working on what I'm working on. Do I need a simple palette? Do I need a moody palette? So I kind of go back and forth into these spaces here at the office. So I love Shep lap. To be fair, so do I, in my brain, I'm like, that is. is like cozy, warm, like there's character to it. Like it feels like homey instead of just like a painted wall. - Yes. - 800%. - That feels like a warm hug to me. That's what I will stand in that forever. - I've never, I've not changed my mind on that. A painted wall can be beautiful, obviously. But to have texture and character in your home like. - Oh, it does, it coosies it up. - It feels so good. - And the thing I say the reason why I win like a lot of the times people say is ship lap in or out. And I feel like ship lap is a timeless. It's like asking if an old hand-tune beam is in or out. It's old. It's like this is how they used to build homes. Ship lap was really behind the dry wall. This is how they constructed them. So in my mind, you're just taking the way they used to do it and bringing it back. And so I'm like, there's, that's a timeless thing. That's not trend. - I get it. - I probably felt like a trend in that season of fixer. But the way I look at it truly in the farmhouse 'cause this was original. Well, it's funny because now, like a conversation I had recently was about hearing bone. And I said, is hearing bone trendy to someone? And they said to me, no, it's like one of the most classic. - It is. - I love hearing bone. - It's one of the most classic ways to lay like brick and different materials. And I'm like, it's funny because I know so little that everything I know is captured in like what I've watched. - Oh, yes. - Because it just, because I don't, I am not a design person. It's not how my brain works. I have such a deep appreciation. And I think it's why I loved watching fixer upper because there was this deep appreciation for the way that you could look at a space and be like, I know what this needs to feel. Like what they're asking for. To me, it's not necessarily what it looks like. For me, it's always like how it feels, like even just describing what ship lap in my brain says. It's like creating character and texture and a vibe of cozy, yes. To me, that is how my brain looks at a space. - But you nailed it, Kylie. - Well, the whole part of design is feeling more than look. - Right. But I can't put things together to figure out how it feels. So I have a deep appreciation for how your brain works. That you can say these are the things and the textures and the colors and how to put it all together. 'Cause I find it to be fascinating. - If you need help, I always know I need help. - If you have like a, hey, Jo A or B. - Oh, I would love to help you. - You don't want to open up that can of worms. - I love it. I don't have clients anymore. - Oh, come through. - Make sure if you do dark, you do the ceiling dark, you do everything dark. - Okay, I'm into this. - I'm like, just come to Philly. - I'm like, I can even, even if you're really trying to figure out paint colors, because my house is where I creatively work things out because we're not doing as many projects. I really am focusing, like when we come to work, it really is the retail on the website. That's like what my work is now. And so not getting to do a ton of homes. Now I'm like looking at my home and I'm like, oh, so now I'm tweaking and I'm, but as far as like paint color, I've tried every paint color. And I'm like, if you just tell me how you wanted to feel, I can give you the paint color. - See, that's what I need. So just what do you want to feel? - Wait, speaking of paint color, millennial specifically get dragged online. Well, for a lot of things, I recently got dragged by my field hockey players about no show socks. That's apparently. - Wait, that's dorky. - Very, apparently. Exactly. Thank you so much. But when you were tennis shoes, you look cooler when you wear ankle socks. - I think that. - Like you look more athletic. Your legs look better. I'm telling you ankle socks. - I don't understand. Why do I make it ankle socks up? - They'll come back. - Thank you. - They have two. - Everything comes back around, and I'm waiting for the moment that they come back around. But millennials are also getting dragged for millennial gray. Have you seen this? - Yes. - What do you think about this? - I got dragged for it too. - Did you? - I did gray a lot because my clients wanted gray. Okay, I don't like gray. - Perfect. - Why? - Let me tell you why I don't like gray. When I look at gray, I see purple a little bit. I see cold, so I don't see warmth. And so I won't ever paint anything in my life gray for me because gray makes me, I don't, I like definition. I like refined. I like, and gray is kind of like gray. - Yeah. - For me. - Yep. - I've seen designers do gray and they crush it. That is not my forte. This is very helpful. - But gray doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy and comfort. And the older I get, - It doesn't. - I want my space to feel comfort. I want people to feel like they can linger along in it. There are warm grays, but then I'm like, are you grayish? Are you, I live too much of my life like being gray kind of, that I'm like, no, you don't do that. - This is where we get color, I can't, I'm like stacking questions in my brain. - Hold on, in the house we just finished, I did do a, so I'm taking this back only 'cause I did find a gray that had like a warmth to it, but I did it high gloss on cabinets. So that felt like, mm, like timeless, where like a flat gray feels like, I didn't know what color to do so I did gray. - Yes. - Now, is this, is this house that you're talking about, the new series? - It's the new series and it's not a house. It's like a, it's a mansion. - Kylie, she's probably the maddest I've been at Chip. And I think people really think it's like a stick. Fixer is like, Chip bought a thing and Joe has to fix it, she cries. I'm like, he is a sneaky bet. I told him, he bought this house three and a half years ago 'cause he said he got a good deal. And he just knows now, and this is really where it's like, we play like, I run what I run, he runs what he, he's the real estate guy. He knows if I come into his corner, I will say no to every single thing 'cause I don't want another project. So I say no, I'm that friend. So he doesn't bring me in that corner a lot for a reason. He did not bring me into this corner when he was deciding on buying this 15,000 square foot house 'cause he got a good deal. And I don't even really, I'm not like a big like I, so when he got it, I was like, Chip, I'm not touching this. First of all, it will never be a fixer. This is like, how do you even explain to the world, you're fixing up a mansion? That's like, great, it's done. So I did not touch it for three years and his mindset, they follow me here 'cause there's really a point to this. His mindset was, I bought it for a great deal. It is on the lake. It's the most beautiful view in Waco, Texas is where this house sits. Someone's gonna come along and want this and we're gonna flip it and not have to have done anything. Joe, trust me. Three years later, now that I'm like in the business and I'm like running the place and I'm looking at the P&Ls, I'm like, the carrying cost on this house, we have to sell it now. So I was like, okay, Chip, we're gonna do a fix. We're gonna fix, I'm gonna step in. No one has wanted this for three years because it's very gaudy. It was like done in the '90s. Yep. It's very outdated, very dated but glamorous and it's over the top, gold. And I don't know how to do that. I don't, I don't know how to explain it. How do you like, to me, it's like once you pull that thread, you either just blow the house up, start all over again, but when you start pulling the thread, it's just money, money, money. So I told Chip, we've gotta do this. We just have to make it funny. It is what it is. You bought this place. I didn't touch for three years. And we gotta lean into that. So that really is the series. I'll say it's my favorite one yet as much as I didn't want to touch it. The story of my life, I brought out and then I'm like, "Oh, it taught me so much." It's a designer and it did. (laughs) Chip is always right. All that to say, we did the reveal last month. So right now this house is actually, it's been on the market for three years. And if you look online, the picture you see is the picture of the before. We can't put the actress in it 'cause it'll give it away. So if you look at it, you're like, here are the before pictures. Okay, so still have not sold it. The day of the reveal, we finished. The realtors call us and say, we have a woman who wants to come tomorrow. She fell in love. She's a qualified buyer. She's fallen in love with it. She wants to give you, put an offer in. And I'm like, I will personally go there and walk her through this house until all the things we did. When the realtor told her that, she said, well, what did they do? She was like, I liked what the pictures that I saw. And I said, call the realtor. I was like, no, no, no, no, just get her here. I'll explain why I did what I did. The lady was so upset. She was like, I don't understand why she removed all of the gold and gold. She didn't come. And it's like, Chip was right. He could have sold this thing as it is. We didn't have to touch it. I'm like, this is a joke. I just did all it. I finally did it. I revealed it and now we have a buyer. And she's upset that I fixed it up. Yeah. So it's like the comedy that won't end with this thing. Anyway, so it's on the market. If y'all need a summer home or a not summer in Texas, if you want a fall, winter, and spring home. Beautiful. It's a gorgeous view. It's been fixed up. But we've got to find a buyer for this thing. It's been-- - It's a funny, it's a funny series. I actually, we had so much fun because I think when you do these shows, especially now like we do wanna hear and it's fun, but like this one was like, we're just now at this stage where we're like, if we're gonna do something, let's have fun with it. This one just felt like our best cell showing up to the table and it not being like a production. It just really being like, what do we wanna do? Let's like lean in and chip leaned in and chip is crazy. And he was not drinking in any of these episodes, but Drunk Uncle is literally his persona. And I love it, I love Drunk Uncle. So it's gonna feel a little different than the other fixers. - Now this series, the new series is coming out December 27th at 9 p.m. on Magnolia Network and HTTV. - That's like a long time from now, but yes. - But it's Christmas. - It's something to get excited for because this is the idea of house that large and that you held out for three years. - Yeah. - So now we gotta dive in with you. I cannot thank you enough for coming on. Today, this was such a pleasure. I have one last question for you as a question I ask. Our guests, I always ask for a piece of advice and specifically moms. Is there a piece of motherhood advice that you have received in your life that sits with you or that you give to other people? - I think it's the car ride, it's the car. It's the, I had a mentor who always told me, "Hey, Joe, when you're in the car with your kids, those are the, that's like the capsule you're in, like the morning drive to work or to school, the morning, the, sorry, the morning drive to school, the afternoon drive to practices, that so many times as moms, we can get into, I've gotta get here there everywhere and everyone's a little chaotic and at times you wanna turn the music on and just kinda blast the noise out. But she told me, those are the sweetest moments I had with my children. And when they left, the quiet car ride was something that I just missed their presence. So don't take advantage of the moments in the car. That's when you can get to know your kids the best because you're with them. And so, that's been something that I tried to do when the kids were in the car. It's like, how do we have fun? What are we looking at? No one's on their phones. Like, how do we tell stories? How do we engage? How do we connect? And I will say Kylie, when they all turned 16 and got their driver's license, and they were driving down that long farm road out to the highway, it was like, you know, the quiet car rides are something I feel now. And I'm so glad I heard my friends voice say, make those moments are the sweetest. Do you think about the lead up to a car ride and oftentimes with trying to get four kids out of the house? It is chaotic. It's chaotic, yes. Once you get in the car, first of all, you're their captive audience. Like, you're driving the car. What else are you supposed to do? But like, chit chat with them. It's such a beautiful thing to think. That like, the chaos leads to a transition that can be like a calm, yes, interaction. And then wherever you get to your chaos ensues. And then when they turn 14 and they turned 15, they start telling you things that they may not say at the dinner table when everyone's around. It's just like those are, I'm telling you the car ride that that was my favorite time with my babies, the car ride. That's so beautiful. Thank you so much for coming on. Make sure you watch Fixer Upper, Chip Botta Mansion, December 27th on Magnolia Network and HGTV. This was so fun. This was so incredible. Absolutely. And that's it for this episode. I'm not going to lie. You can find even more clips for my longer conversation with Joanna on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday. Follow us on social media @NGL with Kylie for clips throughout the week. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Not going to lie as a wave original brought to you by Apple gift card. 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