Kylie & Hilary Duff on SI Swimsuit Cover Tea, Home Birth Tell-All & Caught By The Paparazzi | Ep. 67

Not gonna lie, if when you hear the phrase women supporting women, you say why. Yeah, this podcast isn't meant for you. So disrespectfully, fuck off. Let's get this podcast up. Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie. We've original brought to you by Amazon pets. Amazon pet days are back. I'm your host Kylie Kelsey. I may or may not have seen a UFO recently. I'm being dead serious. I don't want to elaborate because I'm still a little confused about it and not 100% sure that people aren't yanking my chain. I just played a solid cat prank on my husband. Did I use AI to create a photo of our living room with a cat on the back of the couch? Yes, I did. Do I use AI for anything else? No, that was it. That's all I needed for. And this past week I was caught by the paparazzi. What was I doing? Oh, yes. Specifically, the Gillsburg Illinois paparazzi. A real ruthless group. There I am. That's me. That's me and Victor and Judy. Come for pancakes. You know, not yet. You should go. No. We to watch the FAFO, but we went to Judy's cafe. And luckily, we took a camera crew. That FAFO episode doesn't come out for another two months. So you're going to have to be patient. What I will say is, if you are in the area, the very medley pancakes. Nope. I'm not going to tell you any details, but my Instagram story was explanation enough. And for our audio listeners, I was part of the Clean Plate Club. We also shot another FAFO literally yesterday. You're going to see that one in two weeks. Did I tease that one on my story, too? Maybe. Is Queen Emma happy about it? No, I will give you a hint though if you didn't see my Instagram story. It's the go of women's golf. Well, now that we've addressed that, coming up on today's episode, I had some business being at the Egos Autism Challenge where not only do we raise a record amount of money, we also received the greatest fan gift ever. I'm going to respond to a real one question about what I do of my girls ever dated someone from Dallas. What? And then we've got a stack doom scroll. After that, I got to sit down with an absolute icon to talk about her sports illustrated swimsuit cover, 2000s fashion. And of course, what dreams are made of? That's right. It's Hillary Duff. But before we get into any of that, let's start with a place Kylie has no business being this week. I had no business being on stage at the Webby Awards, accepting the podcast of the year award for NGL. Let me explain. Let's do the spark notes version of this first of all. Yes, I do have a hair tie on my wrist. Did I remember to take it off before the red carpet? Absolutely not. Am I wearing open-toed shoes? Do not zoom in on the dogs? Yes, I am. Should I have been? No, I shouldn't have been. But those are the shoes I brought. And I didn't know what I was wearing when I loved them. The hair, I did it. It was fine from the front. Did it look good from the back? We may never know because I made out a point to not turn my back to anyone. Would I ever wear this outfit again as long as I'm not near my children? Why you might ask? Because it's an ivory suit, people. I would get within a mile of my children and somehow end up with ketchup on the sleeve. I said yes to accepting this award because it was podcast of the year, meaning that it was not about me, the host. It was about the podcast as a whole. And I said this on another episode and I mean it wholeheartedly and I want this to be abundantly clear. The team that we have working on NGL is outstanding. So this award was an opportunity to acknowledge the team as a whole. Queen Emma has the clip here of my friend and former NGL guest, Geraud Carmichael, presenting me the award. My problem with the word authenticity is that even liars can say it. Like anyone can use the word and not mean it or not live up to it. Kylie from the moment that I met you, I remember kind of saying hi like an octave higher than my natural speaking voice. Just like hey and everything about your eyes and your presence and your voice said you don't have to do this. And I was a guest on not going to lie, her podcast. Yes. And I really, I felt that just being with you, being around you, listening to you, you're absolutely incredible. You made me feel like family, which is so, you know, you have, I'll say like the the wit of a comic, the passion of an athlete and the authenticity of a mother. And it's with great pleasure that I get to present the award for podcast of the year to Kylie Kelsey for not going to lie. He was way too kind in his explanation and his presentation of the award. I absolutely love getting to run into draw. He really is like a warm light. He, it's lovely. The webby's ask that you make a five word speech. That's the move for the webbies. My five words were women supporting women. We also considered fuck around and find out. You know, I love that. The reason I didn't go with fuck around and find out was because we were actually, I was the first person to give a speech. And I was like, do we, do we do the shot out of a cannon thing? No. Let's make it, let's make it count. Let's say meaningful shit. And also, Queen Emma couldn't be with us there that night. And she had mentioned earlier in the day that she was thinking about it for a while and that she thought women supporting women and go birds was a great pairing. So a little nod to Queen Emma, you know, the response to that being my speech has been overwhelmingly positive because duh. There's always a couple haters, you know. Some people just really enjoy being negative Nancy's. The end of the day, I know that I'm not spouting off hateful bullshit. So I truly want to make sure that women feel supported and who also is going to say worse, but women also great men, but women, come on. I won't be getting on any other red carpet symptoms. Next, I feel like we might as well check it out. The places Kali has some business being brought to you this week by Amazon pets. Check out deals on pet essentials. You'll love this week during Amazon pet days like these blue buffalo training treats. The deal event ends tomorrow. So don't miss out. Places Kali has some business being well this weekend. I definitely had some business attending the Ecos Autism Challenge. We raised over $16 million dollars. That's insane. The cool thing about the $16 million and I always love to emphasize this is that all of that $16 million. So the $16 million is fundraised donated dollars. Every dollar donated to the Ecos Autism Foundation goes directly back into the autism community through research and programs. I also got an opportunity to meet Blippi at the Ecos Autism Challenge. Look at us. I got to meet Blippi. Let me tell you, Blippi was lovely. Now that's coming from someone who is on this very show stated that we are not a Blippi household. Am I second-guessing myself? Yes, I am because Blippi was wonderful and it was so cool that Blippi came. He not only participated, but he also performed. Did you know Blippi has songs? Something about an excavator. I don't know. Yeah, a lot of you guys know, I think. The girls met Blippi, which was funny to me because why it was hard pressed about meeting him. And I was like, "Goro, we don't even watch him. What's your deal?" But she met him. They were all very excited to speak to him. And he was very nice. The girls also got to run into Swoop. The crazy part, nobody cried. There wasn't a single tear shed about Swoop. And I looked at Swoop and I said, "Swoop, nobody's yelling or crying." That's growth. I also met a real one who gave me perhaps the best fan gift ever. Queen Emma, can you play this clip, please? That's Blippi. That's my friend Blippi. I knew the minute I saw a rainbow on that headband. Look at this headband. Guys, it had lights. You can hear it. me asking someone if they read yet. There was a small girl standing in front of me who was staring at me while I was putting on my light up suck my ass headband. And I just wanted to make sure that she couldn't read it. So I confirmed dad nodded. She could not read my headband. This is Lily. Lily made me this headband. It was the best fan gift that I have received. I think that it is, it speaks for itself. Lily understood the assignment. She understood what would speak to my soul. And it was a headband that lights up that says suck my ass. That's it for places. Kylie has some business being brought to you by Amazon Pats. I'll be right back. As a new German Shepherd puppy parent, there was a lot that needed to get done before Freddie came home. And a lot that needed to be bought after too. There were some food needs. Definitely some bed needs and toys. Cause Patty's not really a toy doll. And also even if she was a puppy deserves their own. Luckily, Amazon pet days is back for its fifth year and it's bigger and better than ever before. Amazon is celebrating with five full days of savings, ending tomorrow May 15th. And you will find thousands of deals on pet food and treats, toys, apparel, healthcare products, grooming supplies and so much more. You can get products from brands like Purina and I'm like this Purina Pro plan is my puppy food. I've heard Ray reviews. We also got the chucket. Throw her for Freddie. Gotta get that puppy energy out somehow. And creating your own Amazon pet profile gives you personalized picks based on your pets breed size and preferences available for more than just dogs and cats. That's right. Queen Emma, we got you and all other turtle girls out there covered this chucket ball was recommended for Freddie and she is loving it. So head to amazon.com/petday to shop deals on brands. Your pets already love and discover some new favorites too. Plus for prime members, Amazon offers fast free delivery on so many of your favorite pet products, making it even easier to have that heavy bag of dog food or cat litter delivered straight to your door. Check out the NGL Amazon store front for some of Freddie's favorites stock up today and tomorrow before the sale ends. And we're back. Let's move on to real one comment of the week. And our real one comment of the week is actually a question. It says Kylie, what would you do if any of your girls ever dated somebody from Dallas or Texas in general? I'm going to be honest. This thought has not crossed my mind. Why? I'm hoping that I've raised my children better than that. I'm sure there are people from Dallas, Texas who are not Dallas fans. So I would consider that a possibility. I don't have a problem with I don't necessarily have a problem with Dallas, the place. Although I don't plan on ever visiting. I genuinely cannot wrap my head around the idea of one of our children bringing home a significant other and saying, well, there are Cowboys fan. Nope, can't do it. Queen number would also like to know who's going to have a bigger problem with this. Jason or me? It's me. Jason will be the person. It's like, you know what? He seems like a good guy. They seem like a great person. I don't give a fuck. I'm hopeful that we have raised our children with an appropriate degree of disdain for the Dallas Cowboys. That's it for real one comment. Now let's get to Doomscrawl the Week brought to you by DoorDash. First up, this little girl shared the address for a birthday party with her mom. And frankly, I'm not sure what's so confusing about this perfect invite. So this is the address to your friends birthday party. For audio listeners, it is a post-it note with a line and a house drawn on a hill. That is amazing. We also got a part too because she was able to track down the phone number thank goodness. So we got the time of the party, right? Uh-huh. What time is it at? 50. And then of course got the phone number. Two zero. Hmm. Perfect. How do we break it to mom that I'm pretty sure it's an imaginary friend? The number of times that my girls have been hell bent on the fact that they are correct specifically why it recently was trying to tell me that there was something happening at her school and that I needed to be there by 50 o'clock. Which apparently is the theme. Was it 50 or 15? Does it really matter? I remember saying to her, are you sure that it's 15? I said, I think that it is 930 and she said, no mom, I know it's 15 o'clock. How am I supposed to argue with that when it comes to mixing up numbers, why it is just starting, she can sound out words now. And it's exciting and terrifying at the same time because I have a lot of things that I mean I have I'm looking across the room at a pillow right now in this office. Now this office is not a place that kids frequent, but I have a pillow that I'm looking at that says, what? And I cannot stress this enough. The fuck. That's what the pillow says. The numbers don't seem to be improving for a long time. Jason's jersey number was 60 number two. That's it. And there was no, I would be like, oh dad, what number is that? Sixty number two. Okay, I love this. And I love the confidence from the back seat when the mom's like, this is her number. And she's like, yeah, what time is the party? 50. Yeah, it is hell yeah. Next up, the text on the screen says, I was feeling sick and taking a nap outside when my daughter came to check on me. But really, she grabbed my phone and started vlogging. This is Mommy. And she's having a good time. She's just having a little nap on their house side and it's a good day. It's really warm. There's the willow and there's lots of lantern bugs. And she's a good girl. And she likes to climb trees, but she's sick. And she has her water case. She gets thirsty. First of all, the fact that you get to have that video forever and ever and hear her little voice describing everything going on is perfect. Don't you ever let that video go anywhere because that's the kind of thing that you'll listen to in five years and be like, why doesn't your voice sound like a little baby anymore? My favorite part of this video is when she calls her mama good girl. I love that so much. I don't know if it's a dog thing or the fact that our entire house is girls. Typically, some of our girls first words have been good girl. So I just have this like sweet spot for a little kid going. She's the good girl. I do have quite a few videos on my phone where the girls have tried to vlog or narrate what is going on. It typically involves them recording one of their sisters and it usually takes a turn. At first, it's really nice. And then it farts poop diarrhea. The girls aren't actually allowed to play with phones. That's one of the rules in our house is that kids do not have phones. So it happens. The best part is that the vlogged air quotes vlogged videos that I have on my phone are often in a whisper or end with me saying, give me my phone back, please. I'd like my phone back, please. Ellie, it right. I need my phone back, please. That's how almost every single one ends. And that does it for June's girl the week brought to you by DoorDash coming up. I'm about to be joined by Hillary Duff right after these messages from me. Being a person is tough enough these days, let alone being a parent. That's why I use DoorDash because when life gets crazy, DoorDash helps bring some order to it. My phone is out because my ADHD kicked in and now we're on DoorDash ordering Bunt Cakes because it's Wednesday. 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Purchase Pancho in the rain, speaking from experience. - Yeah, checking first is smart. So check all state first for a quote that could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with all state. Potential savings vary subject to terms, conditions and availability. All state North American insurance company and affiliates North Brook, Illinois. She's the multi platinum global superstar who just put out her new album "Luck or Something." She's also given us the all-time classics, come clean, what dreams are made of, and so yesterday. She's about to go on a world tour for the first time in 18 years. She's also a fellow mama for, and now she's not gonna lie. Hilary Delph, welcome to the show. - Hi, how are you? - I am so excited to talk to you. I have to get it out of the way first. - So girls and I just watched the movie. - The movie? - The movie, period. We have not stopped singing. This is what dreams are made of. And they enjoy, and I, it's my sixth and my five-year-old who are really into it. My three-year-old stands on the things in the living room and pretends that she's on stage. - Yeah. - But still slaps. - Love, love. - You're like, I can also enjoy this. - It's so good. - My best friend's daughter is, she's three, and she is like, they live in New York, and she just, at the public playground, is just screaming at the top of her lungs, like, influencing all of these children. She's like, this is the way. - Come this way. - Let me introduce you to a little. (laughing) - Yeah, that's like amazing. But I also have plenty of kids at home that also enjoy and love watching that. But I'm like, can I escape anywhere? Can I escape anywhere? - Do your own children have they seen this? Do they watch it? - Yeah, yeah. My husband thought it was really funny to introduce them, and I was like, thank you. - Do you think it's funny? - Yeah, I mean, you know, now I'm in cycle with like my record and my tour, and I've been singing it for the first time ever, really. And so I'm having fun. But, you know, I also feel like slightly embarrassed that my children like sing my teenage hood songs. - I can only imagine. - I mean, it's such a good song though, honestly. - It's so good. How do your kids feel about the new songs? - They love the new songs. Yeah, they love the new album. They, I feel like they're the best A&R crew around. They know their favorites, they request often. And, you know, I've had to listen to it so much, obviously mixing the record and, and, you know, just from start to finish, like they, I feel like they've been involved in it. And that feels really special. I'm grateful that they don't really care about lyrics, because I don't wanna have to answer all those questions. - I thought the lyrics and question were outstanding, and, very well done. - Thank you so much. - We'll come back to the music, but because right now, I gotta talk to you about this porcelain-streeted swimsuit cover. - Yes. - Well done. - Thank you. - First of all, what was your reaction to hearing that you got the cover? - I was driving to pick my kids up from school, and my first reaction was, I'm like, oh my god, yes, I'll do it. My first reaction was like, shit, I thought it'd get in like, rip-roar and shape, you know? Like, that is, that was my first. And I'm also like, I'm not a model. Like, I'm five, too. I'm, you know, I've had four kids. Like, it's scary. - These sort of suggests otherwise, Hillary, they mysteriously do. - Well, thank you so much. And, honestly, it was a huge, like, honor and challenge and all the things I like. So, you know, when I heard that they are like, it's mostly like, female, ran over there now. Like, all, the photographer was like, who I wanted. The editor-in-chief is like, incredible. It got to be my whole styling team, my hair and makeup. Like, they wanted me to feel my best. And I was like, I will do this. This is fun. I flew to Turks and Kekos for a day, the night of the Super Bowl and was in South Kekos in this beautiful resort and me shot. And then I was like, out of there for my shows in Vegas. So, it was kind of like this whirlwind thing where you're like, we're in a sand bar in the middle of the ocean for like a blink of time. And, you know, I did. I felt like so, I felt really free doing that. I mean, I have also been naked on the cover of a magazine. So, that was a little more scary, but I had the time. And I think that, you know, at this stage in my life, I feel really proud of myself. And to be asked to be like on the swimsuit edition was a big deal. - I can't explain to you how cool it is to see a fellow mother of four on the cover of a magazine like this. Because it is like this like vision of beauty and sort of like this sexy like I have it. And I'm not gonna say still have it 'cause I think like you have it no matter what as long as you feel like you have it. - Yeah. - It is so special to see someone who has four kids because I think that we talk about it all the time on the show about like the term bounce back and how it's just not right. Because once you become a mom, it's different, right? Like your body did what it did. It's not going to be exactly the same way that it was ever again. - Yeah. - And so I find it to be unbelievably empowering just to see that you not only said yes to this but look phenomenal. You nailed this. You nailed it. - Thank you so much. It was great to, you know, have conversations with them and be like, hey, I'm not gonna wear bikini. Like I have had four kids. This is, I feel comfortable showing this. I feel comfortable showing this. I don't feel comfortable showing this. And they're like, got it, got it, got it, you know, and like that, there's so much power in that. Like I am so proud of my body. Obviously, you know, I've worked really hard but my body's worked really hard for me and produced an entire family, you know, that I'm so like so grateful for it. That's where like, that's everything to me. But to, you know, show other women and to, you know, to hear, even to go back to the phrase, like, oh, you still got it. Like it's crazy how many people come up to me. They're like, oh my god, why you look so good. And I'm like, I'm not even 40. Like I know you've known me forever but like I'm 38. And like a lot of people haven't even had their first kid yet. - Yeah, you know? - Yes, absolutely. Over your four pregnancies, has your idea of body image and body confidence changed? - It's never been easy. No pregnancy, not a single one of my pregnancies have my apparatus been like, oh my god, I love this. Like I don't love it. I love the outcome of it. And of course there's-- - It's a means to an end. - Right? Yes, it's a means to an end. Of course there's sweet, you know, things that come up, sweet memories attached to it, a lot of power that's attached to it. Like there's growth and, you know, all of that stuff. I love that ride, hate being pregnant. Hate havesing something in my body. Like it's just, it's crazy. And then, you know, kind of like what you're left with afterwards and how long that whole thing takes and the pressure on you. And that, that, that, that, that. Like it's also consuming. And then of course like I've done it four times. So like it's all worth it. But I think each time I've been pregnant and like kind of gotten to the other side. And I don't mean that in a negative way, but just like where you're like feel like a person again and you're closer to fit and all of that. You're like, oh, I recognize that thing. And that's happening to me right now. And I'm just like a little more, there's a little bit more ease around those question marks of the feelings that come along with like pregnancy or the aftermath. - I still think one of the hardest things that I've done in my life is try to get dress postpartum. When you have summer, the first time you have somewhere to go, the first time you have something to get dressed for. - Yeah. - And all of a sudden you like go to slip on like, maybe you're like jeans that you're like, nah, these girls, they got my back and all of a sudden you're like, why won't this button close? - Yeah. - And you, it's so hard. - It's so hard. And I think that. - And also you're used to having like a giant belly. So once that giant belly's down, but like the rest of you isn't down, you're like. - Yes. - Preparations aren't. - After I think it might be like, hey guys, that's sad. - Hey, belly, can you do my thighs? - I just wanted to tell you a man could never deal with this not one day ever. - No. Well, the hard part I truly think is that you end up like as women and I don't know how your experience was before you had children. But I think we fight the good fight to feel good about ourselves to not compare ourselves to others, to try and not focus on the numbers on the scale, or to try and focus on the number on the clothing that we're buying. you're wearing. And so to then end up in like a, okay, I'm a woman. And I'm in this situation. And now I feel decent about myself. And I'm not worried about the number of my pants. And then all of a sudden you get pregnant. And you're like, this body is not my body. This body belongs to this being inside of me. And I do think that having for your second is easier because you're like, Oh, I know that I'm going to do this, this and this. Yeah. And your third is easier because you're like, I did this twice. And then I was the fourth for you. I'm like, I could do, I feel like I could do it with my eyes closed. I'm like, I could map it out exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I think that for me, by the, by my third trimester of my fourth, I was in my body for the first time of being pregnant was like in a lot of pain. I think my body was like, we don't need to do this again. Like, I can't keep up with three kids and be as like active and running around with them and climbing up in the top bunk and down and, you know, on my feet all day. And like, I just, my body was like, we're done with this. Your pelvis is like, Hey, can you sit down? Yeah. Yeah. Sit down. Uh huh. Now being you said you're five two. Yeah. I'm almost five three. Actually, the doctor was like, you know, you're almost five three. And I was like, that is such a win to know with this age in life. I pulled everyone my whole life. I'm five two. I'm five. I just will be five three. Now, how did you carry your pregnancies? Like, were you just, did your belly just go like straight out? Were you basically like all belly because there's nowhere else to go? Because I used to explain to people that like people would, I'd be very, I'm five 11. I would be very like pretty far along. And people would be like, Oh my gosh, you don't even look pregnant. I'm like, do you know how much torso I have to hide it? Right. Yes. So there's no space to hide. There's no hiding. There's no hiding in this in this torso. I asked because my mom is five two. And how is that possible? Is your dad a giant? He's six one nine. Okay. I. Yeah. My mom talks about how she couldn't touch her belly button when she was pregnant with me. Because her belly was so big. Yeah. The poor girl. I know. I apologize frequently. I could touch my belly button, but I did, I got quite large every pregnancy. I forget it was one where I kind of held it together for a while. But then I didn't. I get, I have like really big bellies. I don't just have to. I carry differently every single pregnancy. New Jen. Every single pregnancy. My second pregnancy. I worked out. I was like a new human being. I was like, this is the last thing ever. My third, you could not have pried my ass off the couch with the crowbar. Really? I couldn't do it. I don't know what it was. I felt the least that I've ever felt in my life. Wow. I worked out with every pregnancy. I feel like that didn't, even though I worked out, I feel like it didn't change. Like how much weight I gained. Like it was just, it was just a nice thing I did for my body to work out in my brain. Yes. And it was inevitable. It was, it was, we're supposed to carry our babies the way we carry them. And that's that. Yeah. Did the donuts help me? Probably not. But she wanted them. Who was I to stop her? What is your, what do you have? All girls. Oh my god. You have all girls. Yes. Well, I mean, we're close to you. You have three girls. One boy. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. You have all. Did you ever cry when you found out like what you're having? My second, I sobbed. You do. Yeah. And we've talked on the show about gender disappointment. Yeah. Because I think it's real. I think no matter what you have this, like, gut feeling about what you have. And if your doctor tells you that it's the opposite, like, you have some degree of disappointment. I, when we found out we were having our fourth girl, I was relieved because I was like, if we're having four kids, it feels good that they're all the same gender. Mm-hmm. But then I got sad afterwards because I thought to myself, I'm never going to meet a mini version of my husband. Oh. And then we got sad. Turns out we actually made four of them. They're just rules. That's amazing. That's amazing. Now, I'm going to get us back to, because I, we need to talk about this music tour, then you're a new music and your tour, because I am so excited about this. I mentioned it in your intro, but you've got a new album, which is amazing. "Rumates and mature" are, I kept going on replay because they're just, they're a good vibe. They feel good. And also, I love the little, the little hints in there. I love a little scandalous hint. I do. I love it. Uh, now, do you have a favorite song from the album? This is one of my favorite questions to ask people about new albums, because then it helps me deep dive songs that I maybe have not gotten deep enough into yet. Okay. I love "Whether for Tennis" and I love "Adult Size Medium." I think those are kind of like, not as like obvious of us. I also love "Holiday Party." I don't, there's like a whole bunch of songs that I feel like obviously mature was like the first song I came out with to kind of like reintroduce like the sound. And then, you know, and then I think there's like some obvious ones when you listen. You're like, "Oh, that's, that's like sticky." "Whether for Tennis" feels super sticky to me. "Rumates, I just like live for what it's about and who it's speaking to." And like, when I went to make this record, I was like, obviously I'm a mom, I'm a mom of four. And I'm like, I know my fans, and I have gone through like such similar life experiences, or sorry, not my fans, just people my age, right? Like we've we're here, we've arrived. Like here are some of the themes I'm dealing with. How about you? Anyway, there's, there's so many songs I love on the record. It's like really, really a authentic like open book and it was so fun to create and just kind of like pour a whole bunch of my personality that people have been, you know, seen in a long time into it. It's it's very refreshing to get to listen to music that like you're saying is current for you like life experience because it is like the fans that have grown up with you alongside you like not only a fan but appear like you're talking about like that were similar ages and that we're hitting the same phases of life and experiences. And so to hear that from you on this album, it feels first of all validating. And second, like it's an easy listen and a comforting listen because it's so relatable to current life. And I think that that's why the like like I mentioned before, the comments of people saying like, well, this isn't meant for children. Well, you're not in your childhood years anymore. Yeah. You're now raising for the people who I'm really trying to talk to are all of the people who've shown up for this record and and made this moment what it has become, which is really beyond my wildest dreams. You know, I feel so lucky that I got to, you know, play listening require and have that that moment in my use. And for some reason, like lightning struck and I got to tap people in like a very important way, you know, in a way that that struck them and was, you know, important for them in their life. And then, you know, come back around and really just be very genuine about like my approach and then have them relate to that too and and be seen on this level at this age. It's incredibly like healing for me to be like, let's do it again. And I get to be me fully me. This episode is sponsored by liquid IV. There's nothing I love more than thinking about my childhood memories of going down to the shore. I would say that we are out in the sun at least eight hours a day. It was so much fun. It was hours upon hours of building sandcastles jumping waves. 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That's 20% off your first purchase with code NGL at liquid IV dot com with four girls and two dogs running around the house. It's important that I at least attempt to carve out some time for myself. One way I use that very small window of time these days is by doing a nice efficient workout right on the peloton app. Peloton helps you unlock that joy through movement with their new cross training tread plus powered by peloton IQ. It provides intelligent strength coaching so you can stay in the moment. Peloton IQ sees every rep reads every movement and coaches you through it in real time. And it builds a workout roadmap that's completely yours so you can stop overthinking and just move. Trying to manage toddler schedules is tough enough from school drop off to sports and play dates, but with Peloton IQ, I don't have to use any more of my remaining brain power in a day to figure out a great workout. 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I mean, you know, it's been really fun to like dig into my catalog and find like the songs that really resonated with me when I performed them when I was young and bring them back out and like revamp them a little bit. So people can expect like the old and the new and to like come and have a great like carefree night. There'll be lots of color. They'll be, you know, some surprises. Um, I'm like, how do I tease this rehearsals rehearsals start like this this week? And, um, there's a lot of like surprises in store. So I'm, I'm super excited. I haven't done this in fucking forever. So it's, I'm going to try to get a lot of sleep while I'm on the road and and show up the best that I can. But the shows that I've, you know, done so far have felt so good. And just like went by in the blink of an eye. Now we'd, I'd also like to talk to you a little bit about some throwback stuff. If that's okay with you. Yeah. I know you just released a rerecorded version of come clean. What made you want to rerecord some of your earlier stuff? Oh my gosh. Well, I got to be honest with you. The whole tailor of it all really set, set the bar for being like, no, here's how we're going to do this. Here's how this is going to go. No, it's mine. No, it's mine. I actually called my versions mine. Um, and, um, and then I think the other reason was like, I recorded those songs when I was like 14 years old. Like I had not a clue what I was doing. I had no technique. I didn't, you know, the internet loves to remind me of this. And, um, I think that I was just like, I am such a different person now. If I'm going to sing these songs, like I want it to feel and sound like me. And, you know, I still very much sound like young. Um, but there, it was just like time. It was so funny too to go back and like, really try to get some of those sounds. I felt so bad. Ryan, my producer was like, I really big trying to figure this one out. Like the times were so different that the, the interesting use of like percussion or like a good, like it was just very not what it is today. Now, bringing up that time, you were on the top of the charts with some of your first album alongside huge names, like Kelly Clarkson, Brittany, Christina, did your paths ever cross with those singers and were there ever times where you feel felt star struck or was it really a moment of like that those are your peers and that you guys are are equals. Oh my God. I never felt equal to any of like the pop greats because I feel like I was slightly younger than all of them. Um, and also I just was like a little Disney star, like I never, you know, like Christina and Brittany were like on a whole nother planet than me. And I remember, I think I was, I can't remember what a word show it was, but I was performing at the award show. And I remember during the set, I might have been singing like so yesterday or something. And just like looking, like looking up and like locking eyes with Christine Aguilar, I'm seeing like, oh my God. Just like I'm not okay. Um, but yeah, no, I think I, I think I maybe always felt like kid sister. That makes sense. It does, especially because of the age gap. Now speaking of pop icons, when I had Mandy Moore on the show, we talked a little bit about 2000s fashion. Um, I believe she had some blonde eyebrows and a lot of choker necklaces, but you had some iconic outfits too. And I'm looking at a decent amount of denim. Yeah. Uh, address over pants. Oh, yeah. Also, we should just talk about the like amount of accessorizing. I mean, it's still a lot, but the, the endless accessories was really my staple. I loved it. I loved it. I will also tell you, I do think that you absolutely nailed and I, so I still coach high school field hockey. And I love to remind the girls that I coach now when they are hitting these like new fashion trends. I'm like, nope, we did that. Nope. We had that first. Like I still remember in like third grade wearing the biker shorts, we did biker shorts first. Right. And I try to remind them of that to keep them humble. The low rise pants that are coming back now with just like a hint of the bottom of your stomach showing, like not belly button, not crop top. Just the bottom of your belly. You nailed that looks so hard back then. You nailed it so hard. Thank you so much. I have, I have visual proof in our rundown. You nailed that. And so I would just like to acknowledge the young women who are listening, Hillary walked so you could run. Thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate that. Yes. Did you have a favorite look besides your accessories or maybe it is your accessories? Did you have a favorite thing from that era of fashion? Honestly, the pre pants are so back right now. It's crazy. I don't know if I'm willing to do it. Like I think my shape is just not conducive for that anymore. But like Lizzy McGuire wore she was like, she did the pre pants all the time, but the little like slit on the side at the knee. And I'm seeing them everywhere now. My stylist Nilo tried to get me to where her pair was like a corset. And I put it, I was laughing, I was hysterically laughing trying to get in them. And it was like a hard out put to get in because it was like a fully stacked like corset. And honestly, I looked to the mirror and I was like, wait, I look so cool. Wait, do I like this? Yeah. But then I was like, I can't, I can't take this seriously. Like I just, you know, when you get the giggles and you can't stop laughing every time like in the mirror, I was like, I can't, I can't, but I think that honestly, like that was, that was a big me thing. And now it's back. I will say the Capri's coming back actually helps me out a lot because I can't do so times. I can't say how many times I order a regular length pants. And it comes and it looks like a flood is on its way. And I'm prepared because the whole ankle is out. We're talking up to the calf, like a true Capri, if I get a cropped, if I get a regular gene and it is cropped style. Yeah. Yeah. Close to my, like right under my knee. It's bad. It's, but apparently it's good now. It's, honestly, I'm actually fine. Hey, Lisa, like Hayley Bieber is wearing Capri's pants all over the place. It's your time. I mean, here's the thing. You're going to have to pry my sweat pants from my cold dead hands. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I feel that hard pants and I don't really get along really. See, I feel like when I'm, when I get the baby out of my body, like that's what I want. I just want to put my jeans back on. I want them to fit. I'm such a jeans girl. Can you coach me up on that because maybe I just, I will say years ago, I went through a month long where I was like ordering ever. It was actually after my second child. I ordered so many freaking pairs of jeans to try on in the privacy of my own home. Yeah. That's the way to do it. It was countless, but I could not, I still haven't found ones. Well, I had one pair. God, they're good. One single pair of jeans. Let me tell you, I had one pair of jeans and her and I like this. Oh. But then also my thighs are like this. So I wore a little, I wore them. They were the only jeans I would wear and I wore right next to the seam on the inner thigh. And they're no longer, you could it get them repaired? I don't think so. My thighs love each other. This, they're like, we are meant to be vestiges. Who am I? Who am I to separate them? - No, but those were the only genes where I was like, I'd wear these every day. - Well, what was the brand? - I'd love to tell you. - I'm a real A Goldie girl right now, but I have no idea if that works for tall girls. - Is that how you say that? - Oh my God, is it not? I'm pretty sure it is. Tell me you were saying, a Goldie. - I have never said it out loud. I literally never said the brand out loud. - I mean, I'm sure it's A Goldie. - No, I am, when I say that, I am not questioning you, I'm asking you for reassurance so that when I do decide the time comes to say that brand out loud. - Okay, I'm gonna be your coach. It's A Goldie. - It's A Goldie's lit on it. - A Goldie, done. Now I can talk to the woman at the store about the A Goldie genes. - For a bit. - Oh gosh. Now I'd love to circle back to motherhood since you have a teenager in the house. I'm always shocked to learn about Jen Alpha slang from my high school field hockey players. Have you learned any new words from your son? - Yeah, I mean, all the time. I'm like, what am I gonna say that's not going to like completely embarrass him? 'Cause the second I use it or talk about him, he's like, just don't, please don't. - It's very cringe. I don't know if cringe is old now. - Cridge might be old. There's probably a new term for cringe. - Something I heard him saying the other day was like he, he wanted to take like a screen grab of his friend, him and his friend. His mom sent me a picture of them when they were little. Like, oh, look at this. Look at them at this, whatever. And Luca was like, oh, let me have that. When we have that, like screen grabbed it and they beast, and like, to torture him with it, right? 'Cause now he has a baby photo of him. And so basically they called that like, have you ever seen them like to FaceTime each other? They don't put their faces on the screen. - My niece does this. - Okay, so they're like, phone's up here and you're like, what are you doing? It's called like getting clipped or something. - What? - Yeah, and they don't want to get clipped. They don't want like a screen grab to be taken of them. - Okay. - This is helpful. - Great. - Yeah, because-- - I don't know. - Asked your field hockey team this day. - Let me tell you, two field hockey seasons ago, I had to get explained, point five. What's point five in someone? Did you get point five? - Oh, is it with the photos of me? - Yes, I do. - Is it like the worst possible angle? - Yeah, and one of them got me. And I said, you know what? You can have that. - Do you like Gary Square? - That's my gift to you. Don't ever say I didn't do anything for you. Yeah, I know. I can't keep up. Last season, I say this like a badge of honor. Last season, one of my girls told me that I was unk and it doesn't, I don't think it's quite as flattering as like the OG version of unk, which is just like sort of like your elder, like someone you respect that's older. I think it's more of like, oh, you're old. - And you're even? - I've never even read that. - Unk. - Unk and you're like, maybe it's an East Coast thing. - Maybe it's an East Coast thing. It hasn't arrived here yet. - Well, you're welcome. Maybe you can get ahead of it. If I use it tonight, Luke is gonna be like, no. - No. - How old is your oldest? - Six years old. - So we're not there yet. - You've walked it out fast. - Yes, we did. - Five, six, three and one. - Yes. - Are you okay? - No. Thank you for asking. - Yeah, like what on earth? - No, because I don't like being pregnant. So I just wanted to get it over with and be done with it because I don't like it. I don't enjoy myself. I'm not just the whole time to take over my body. I have different symptoms of every single one of them. - Oh. - Trash. - It's trash. - Trash, it's actually a means to an end and I love Smoshi babies. I love them. - This is really off topic, but I just feel the need to share with you right now because you know when everyone comes and tells you when you're pregnant, like this horrible thing happened to me. - Yeah. - You know how everyone loves to tell you their horror stories and like it is a right to pass it, right? They have them. We recently got hamsters and then the same experience is happening to me. Everyone's coming out of the woodwork. Like, oh, you want to hear about my hamsters? Oh, you want to know what my hamsters did? And I'm like, this reminds me of what I was pregnant and everyone wants to like dump on you. - We got the hamsters. - It happened. - They just, they are trying to just wait you with the hamster. They just wait until the 18 months later. - Yeah, until the other one might see the one's head off. Like I'm like, what? - Just wait until it surprisingly has babies and eats them. - Yeah. - Mm-mm. I will tell you, I'll give you a piece of advice about hamsters that is a school trick. My mom has worked in elementary schools for over 30 years. - Okay. - Because you know, every so often there's a classroom pet that escapes. No, this is if they escape. Sometimes they decide to be an escape artist. If it escapes, you get one of the like a Lowe's Home Depot bucket and you get a little ramp. Anything you can use a ramp to get up into the bucket. And you put food in the bucket, something enticing. Peanut butter, nuts, something that's nice and smelly and they'll want to go into. And eventually you'll just hear a little plop because they will walk up the little ramp and fall into the bucket and then they can't get out. So then now you have your hamster back. - Got it, okay. All right, that's if you want to save them. - If you think they're still alive. - I'm like, you've got it. - I don't know how long they're gonna last for and that's okay. - Yeah. I mean, if they survive, they earn-- - They're not gonna survive my cats. My one cat lays on top of the hamster house. - You got the cat a pet is what you're saying. - Oh, yeah. And she's like, - Yeah. - She's waiting for that. - She's like, escape, just do it. Just escape real quick. - Just try it, just try tonight. - Let me open the door for you. - Yeah. - This way out, yeah. So if I won't so much doom and gloomy, but if they do make it out and you still think they're alive, the bucket. Just get a lose bucket. - A bucket to bring up on the peanut butter. - We're good. - Now, I would like to ask you, as someone who, I, you couldn't pay me to do what you did. Let's start there. I need to know though, what is harder? Childbirth, or getting through all of the hot one swings? (laughs) - Is that what you mean you wouldn't have a home birth? - It wouldn't pay me. - Okay. - Well, did you have home births? - Yeah. - I have so many questions. - Okay. (laughs) - Did they bring the pool to you? - The pool is like in my house like two to three weeks before I give birth, but it's like not blown up. That's my husband's job. Once it's like go time. - Is it your pool or the birth doula's pool? - It's my, sorry, I don't like own it, but it's from a company. - Perfect. - Okay, thank you so much for clarifying this. - Yeah. - I thought maybe people were giving birth to these babies. This is not even to be funny. I truly thought this. I truly thought that people were having babies in these pools and then they would like wait a couple years and then they would put it out back like a kiddie pool for kids to play in. And I was like, what a beautiful right of passage to get born into the pool. And then that's a play in the pool. I don't know the difference 'cause I am not a home birth person. - No, no, no, no. Thank God. - Okay, it's a totally, by the way, it's like sterilized and whatever. But it's like. - This makes me feel better. - It's a high, you know how kiddie pools are like low? - Yes. - This is like enough for you to look like a hot tub. - Yes. - More like a inflatable hot tub. Okay, okay, now I'm with you. - Yeah. - This makes me feel a lot better. Yes, I would not, I'm not a home birth person 'cause I love an epidural, I love it so much. - Okay, yeah, I got it. - Okay, I got it. - Yeah. - But did you think, I mean, then knowing that it's, that you did a home birth, I feel like I know the answer, but which was harder. - The home birth was much harder, but hot wings, once you get to like, I was so excited when I found out it got hot. I feel like I was like manifesting that coming to me. I wanted it so bad 'cause I love spicy things. I love hot sauce. I love that show. I love this format. Like, been a fan for a long time. So I like was so excited that I got there. I was like, oh my god, I actually have to do this, but like, I love spicy things, so it's all good. Once you get to like eight and you get to debom, you're like, not okay. But you're like, I'm at the end. I'm like a little bit. - No, I think more just like every gasp of air is like on your already burning throats. You're just like, and then you're trying to talk and make sense and like, that's not. - Easy. - Can I tell you though, when you baited him for water. - You want to go in for some water? - If you do. - All right. - Trick down. - I'll stand there. - I was very proud of myself for that. I was like, where did that come from? - It would, that you didn't go into that planning that? - No, no, no, no. - No, no. - So funny, that clip, I've watched it multiple times because the way you were like, do you wanna go in for some water? - You want some water? - It was so innocent. The way you were like, you want some water? Like talk. your kids, right? And then all of a sudden you just go, "Jah!" I was like, "Yes!" Nailed that. You nailed that. Sometimes I'm like, "What's wrong with you? Are you okay?" Like, I don't know. You know what? I think that, you know, press is hard. It's hard to talk to people over and over and again about the same things and come up with, so that was like a fun. At least it was like something going on on top of also like talking to you. Like, I'm talking to a mom. Like, that's an easy space for me, you know? But sometimes when you're like interview after interview, after interview, it's like really hard. I was excited about that one and then I was like, "Oh, I've really pulled some funny tricks out of my sleeve." Now, I do have to ask you, it's the question I ask everyone that is a mother. I would love to know the best piece of motherhood advice that you've ever received. Oh my god. I feel like it hasn't come from like one person and it's not been like one. It can also be advice you now give if that helps because you have some experience. Yeah, I do. And I think, well, one of them is like a basic overall tip. It's just like not getting trapped in the like one size fits all model because each one of your kids need something different. So like, Mei Mei is so independent and sometimes I feel like I need to make sure she gets as much as the rest because she can kind of like cruise through and slay life and things seem to be easy for her, you know? But like, thanks needs to download her day at the end that like her love language is like time spent. So all the kids like figuring out what your kids love languages and just giving them little like hits of that is really important for me as a mother and then the silliest one which I know is like talked about all the time but like truly getting down on their level and talking to them. Truly just when things are really hard and like the household is exploding and you're like at your end like just getting down on the level and being face to face with them. I think like calms you down because you realize how small they are and also like makes them tune into you. I have never thought about that way. I've never thought about it that way that when you get down there you realize how small they are. Because every so often I, our six-year-old is very she's very bright and I'm not just saying that because I'm her mom but to a degree that sometimes I have to remind myself that she's only six years old. Yeah. And just like having to crouch down, like I always get down to face level with them but I've never now next time I do it I'm going to take a moment to be like you are little. You settle. I know. And that's so special. Yeah. Oh that's so great. Thank you so much for coming on to chat. This has been absolutely wonderful. You can get your tickets now to the Lucky Me tour. I can't wait. I have it marked off on my calendar. I can't wait to meet you in real life. I'll see you in silly. I'm so excited. Yes. Please. I'm biased but we're pretty great. The Philly tour is August 9th so hopefully I will see you there and have a blast on tour. Thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. Do you get to go to sleep now? No. I have to go do that time. You get to you going to do bedtime. I have to go do bedtime. And that's it for this episode of Knock and a Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Hillary on my YouTube channel on MoreShit Monday. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Follow us on social media @NGL with Kylie for clips throughout the week. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Knock and a Lie is a wave original brought to you by Amazon pets. Thanks again to the real ones for tuning in. Wave.