Kylie & Hilary Duff on SI Swimsuit Cover Tea, Home Birth Tell-All & Caught By The Paparazzi | Ep. 67

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Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a wave original brought to you by Amazon Pets. Amazon Pet Days are back. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. I may or may not have seen a UFO recently. I'm being dead serious. I don't want to elaborate because I'm still a little confused about it. And not 100%. I'm not sure that people aren't yanking my chain. I just played a solid cat prank on my husband. Did I use AI to create a photo of our living room with a cat on the back of the couch? Yes, I did. Do I use AI for anything else? No. That was it. That's all I needed it for. And this past week, I was caught by the paparazzi. What was I doing? Oh, yes. Specifically, the Galesburg, Illinois paparazzi. A real ruthless. There I am. That's me. That's me and Victor and Judy. Come for pancakes! No. Not yet. You should go. No. Wait to watch the FAFO. But we went to Judy's Cafe. And luckily, we took a camera crew. That FAFO episode doesn't come out for another two months. So you're going to have to be patient. Whatever. What I will say is, if you are in the area, the Berry Medley Pancakes. Nope. I'm not going to tell you any details. But my Instagram story was explanation enough. And for our audio listeners, I was part of the Clean Plate Club. We also shot another FAFO literally yesterday. You're going to see that one in two weeks. Did I tease that one on my story? Did I tease that one on my story, too? Maybe. Is Queen Emma happy about it? No. I will give you a hint, though, if you didn't see my Instagram story. It's the GOAT of women's golf. Well, now that we've addressed that, coming up on today's episode, I had some business being at the Eagles Autism Challenge, where not only did we raise a record amount of money, we also received the greatest fan gift ever. I'm going to respond to a real one question. About what I do if my girls ever dated someone from Dallas. What? And then we've got a stacked doom scroll. After that, I got to sit down with an absolute icon to talk about her Sports Illustrated swimsuit cover, 2000s fashion, and of course, what dreams are made of. That's right. It's Hilary Duff. But before we get into any of that, let's start with a place Kylie has no business being. This week, I had no business being on stage at the Webby Awards, accepting the podcast. The Year Award for NGL. Let me explain. Let's do the SparkNotes version of this. First of all, yes, I do have a hair tie on my wrist. Did I remember to take it off before the red carpet? Absolutely not. Am I wearing open-toed shoes? Do not zoom in on the dogs. Yes, I am. Should I have been? No, I shouldn't have been. But those are the shoes I brought, and I didn't know what I was wearing when I left the house that morning. The hair, I did it. I did it. It was fine from the front. Did it look good from the back? We may never know because I made it a point to not turn my back to anyone. And would I ever wear this outfit again as long as I'm not near my children? Why, you might ask? Because it's an ivory suit, people. I would get within a mile of my children and somehow end up with ketchup on the sleeve. I said yes. I said yes to accepting this award because it was podcast of the year, meaning that it was not about me, the host. It was about the podcast as a whole. And I said this on another episode, and I mean it wholeheartedly, and I want this to be abundantly clear. The team that we have working on NGL is outstanding. So this award was an opportunity to acknowledge the team as a whole. Queen Emma has the clip here of my friend and former NGL guest Gerard Carmichael, presenting me the award. My problem with the word authenticity is that even liars can say it. Like anyone can use the word and not mean it or not live up to it. Kylie, from the moment that I met you, I remember kind of saying hi, like in an octave higher than my natural speaking voice, just like, hey, and everything about your eyes and your presence and your voice said, you don't have to do this. And I was a guest. On, uh, not going to lie, her podcast. Yes. And, and I, and I really, I felt that, you know, just being with you, being around you, listening to you, you're absolutely incredible. You made me feel like family, which is so, you know, you have, I I'll say like the, the wit of a comic, the passion of an athlete and the authenticity of a mother. And it's with great pleasure that I get to present the award for podcast of the year to Kylie Kelsey for not going to lie. He was way too kind in his explanation, uh, and his presentation of the award. I absolutely love getting to run into Drodd. He really is like a warm light. He it's lovely. The Webby's ask that you make a five word speech. That's it. That's the move for the Webby's. My five words were women supporting women. Go birds. We also considered fuck around and find out, you know, I love that. The reason I didn't go with fuck around and find out was because we were actually, I was the first person to give a speech and I was like, do we, do we do the shot out of a cannon thing? No. Let's make it, let's make it count. Let's say meaningful shit. And also queen Emma couldn't be with us there that night. And she had mentioned earlier in the day that she was thinking about it for a while and that she thought women supporting women and go birds was a great pairing. So a little nod to queen Emma, you know, the response to that being my speech has been overwhelmingly positive because duh. Duh. There's always a couple haters, you know, some people just really enjoy being negative Nancy's the end of the day. I know that I'm not spouting off hateful bullshit, so I truly want to make sure that women feel supported and who else is going to support us. But women also great men, but women, come on, I won't be getting on any other red carpet sentence next. I feel like we might as well. Check. Check it out. The place is Kylie has some business being brought to you this week by Amazon pets. Check out deals on pet essentials. You'll love this week during Amazon pet days, like these blue Buffalo training treats. The deal event ends tomorrow. So don't miss out places. Kylie has some business being, well, this weekend I definitely had some business attending the Eagles autism challenge. We raised over $16 million. That's insane. The cool thing about the $16 million. And I always love to. Emphasize this is that all of that 16 million. So the 16 million is fundraised, donated dollars. Every dollar donated to the Eagles autism foundation goes directly back into the autism community through research and programs. I also got an opportunity to meet Blippi at the Eagles autism challenge. Look at us. I got to meet Blippi. Let me tell you, Blippi was lovely. Now that's coming from someone who is on this very show stated. Okay. So we are not a Blippi household. Am I second guessing myself? Yes, I am because Blippi was wonderful and it was so cool that Blippi came. He not only participated, but he also performed. Did you know Blippi has song something about an excavator? I don't know. Yeah, you got a lot of you guys know, I think the girls met Blippi, which was funny to me because. Why it was hard pressed about meeting him. And I was like, girl, we don't even watch him. What's your, what's your deal? I don't know. But she met him. They were all very excited to speak to him. And he was very nice. The girls also got to run into Swoop. The crazy part, nobody cried. There wasn't a single tear shed about Swoop. And I looked at Swoop and I said, Swoop, nobody's yelling or crying. That's growth. I also met a real one who gave me perhaps the best fan gift ever. Queen Emma, can you play this clip, please? That's Billy. That's my friend, Billy. I knew the minute I saw a rainbow on that headband, look at this headband. Guys, it had lights. You can hear me asking someone if they read yet. There was a small girl standing in front of me who was staring at me while I was putting on my light up, suck my ass headband. And I just wanted to make sure that she couldn't read it. So I confirmed, dad nodded, she could not read my headband. This is Lily. Lily made me this headband. It was the best fan gift that I have received. I think that it speaks for itself. Lily understood the assignment. She understood what would speak to my soul. And it was a headband that lights up that says, suck my ass. That's it for Places. Kylie has some business being brought to you by Amazon Pets. I'll be right back. As a new German Shepherd puppy parent, there was a lot that needed to get done before Freddie came home. And a lot that needed to get done before Freddie came home. 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I don't have a problem with, I don't necessarily have a problem with Dallas, the place. Although I don't plan on ever visiting. I genuinely cannot wrap my head around the idea of one of our children bringing home a significant other and saying, well, they're a Cowboys fan. nope can't do it queen emma would also like to know who's gonna have a bigger problem with this jason or me it's me jason will be the person that's like you know what he seems like a good guy they seem like a great person i don't give a fuck i'm hopeful that we have raised our children with an appropriate degree of disdain for the dallas cowboys that's it for real one comment now let's get to doom scroll the week brought to you by doordash first up this little girl shared the address for a birthday party with her mom and frankly i'm not sure what's so confusing about this perfect invite so this is the address to your friend's birthday party for audio listeners it is a post-it note with a line and a house drawn on a hill that is amazing we also got a part two because she was able to track down the phone number thank goodness so we got the time of the party right uh-huh what time is it at 50 and then of course got the phone number two zero okay perfect how do we break it to mom that i'm pretty sure it's in my phone number three and then of course i'm pretty sure it's in my phone number three and then of course i'm pretty sure it's in my phone number the number of times that my girls have been hell-bent on the fact that they are correct specifically wyatt recently was trying to tell me that there was something happening at her school and that i needed to be there by 50 o'clock which apparently is the theme was it 50 or 15 does it really matter i remember saying to her are you sure that it's 15 i said i think that it is 9 30 and she said no mom i know it's 15 o'clock how am i supposed to argue with that when it comes to mixing up numbers wyatt is just starting she can sound out words now and it's exciting and terrifying at the same time um because i have a lot of things that um i mean i have i'm looking across the room at a pillow right now in this office now this office is not a place that kids frequent but i have a pillow that i'm looking at that says what and i cannot stress this enough the fuck that's what the pillow says the numbers don't seem to be improving for a long time jason's jersey number was 60 number two that's it that and there was no i would be like oh dad's what number is that 60 number two okay i love this and i love the confidence from the back seat when the mom's like this is her number and she's like yeah what time is the party 50 yeah it is hell yeah next up the text on the screen says i was feeling sick and taking a nap outside when my daughter came to check on me but really she grabbed my phone and started vlogging this is mommy and she's having a good time she's just having a little nap on there outside and it's a good day it's really warm there's the willow and there's lots of lantern bugs and she's a good girl and she likes to climb trees but she's sick and she has her water in case if she gets thirsty first of all the fact that you get to have that video forever and ever and hear her little voice describing everything going on is perfect don't you ever let that video go anywhere because that's the kind of thing that you'll listen to in five years and be like why doesn't your voice sound like a little baby um my favorite part of this video is when she calls her mom a good girl i love that so much i don't know if it's a dog thing or the fact that our entire house is girls typically some of our girls first words have been good girl so i just have this like sweet spot for a little kid going she's a good girl i do have quite a few videos on my phone where the girls have tried to vlog or narrate what is going on it typically involves them recording one of their sisters and it usually takes a turn at first it's really nice and then it farts poop diarrhea the girls aren't actually allowed to play with phones that's one of the rules in our house is that kids do not 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We have not stopped singing This Is What Dreams Are Made Of. And they enjoy it. And it's my six and my five-year-old who are, really, into it. My three-year-old stands on the things in the living room and pretends that she's on stage. Yeah. But still slaps. Love, love. You're like, I can also enjoy this. It's so good. My best friend's daughter is, she's three. And she is like, they live in New York. And she just, at the public playground, is just screaming at the top of her lungs, influencing all of these children. She's like, this is the way. Come this way. Let me introduce you to a little. Yeah. That's like, amazing. But I also have plenty of kids at home that also enjoy and love watching that. But I'm like, can I escape anywhere? Can I escape anywhere? Do your own children, have they seen this? Do they watch it? Yeah. Yeah. My husband thought it was really funny to introduce them. And I was like, thank you. Do you think it's funny? Yeah. I mean, you know, now I'm in cycle with like my record, my tour, and I've been singing it for the first time ever, really. And so I'm having fun. But, you know, I also, you know, I also feel like slightly embarrassed that my children like sing my teenage hood songs. I can only imagine. I mean, it's such a good song, though. Honestly, it's so good. How do your kids feel about the new songs? They love the new songs. Yeah. They love the new album. They, I feel like they're the best A&R crew around. They know their favorites. They request often. And, you know, I've had to listen to it so much, obviously mixing the record and, you know, just from start to finish, like they, I feel like they've been involved in it. And that feels really special. I'm grateful that they don't really care about lyrics because I, I don't want to have to answer all those questions. I thought the lyrics in question were outstanding and very well done. Thank you so much. We'll come back to the music, but because right now I got to talk to you about this Sports Illustrated swimsuit cover. Yes. Well done. Thank you. First of all, what was your reaction to hearing that you got the cover? I was driving to pick my kids up from school. And, you know, it was, it was, it was, it was, my first reaction wasn't like, oh my God, yes, I'll do it. My first reaction was like, shit, I thought it'd get in like rip roaring shape. You know, like that is, that was my first. And I'm also like, I'm not a model. Like I'm five, two. I'm, you know, I've had four kids. Like it scared me. These photos suggest otherwise, Hillary. They seriously do. Well, thank you so much. And honestly, it was a huge, like honor. Yeah. And challenge and all the things I like. So, you know, when I heard that they are like, it's mostly like female ran over there now, like all it's the photographer was like who I wanted. The editor in chief is like incredible. It got to be my whole styling team, my hair and makeup. Like they wanted me to feel my best. And I was like, I will do this. This is fun. I flew to Turks and Caicos for a day, um, the night of the Superbowl and was in South Caicos in this like beautiful resort. And, um, we shot, and then I was like out of there for my shows in Vegas. So it was kind of like this whirlwind thing where you're like, we're in a sandbar in the middle of the ocean for like a blink of time. And, you know, I did, I felt like, so I felt really free doing that. I mean, I have also been naked on the cover of a magazine, so that was a little more scary. Um, but I had the time and I think that, you know, at this stage in my life, I feel really proud of myself and to be asked to be like on the swimsuit edition was a big deal. I can't explain to you how cool it is to see a fellow mother of four on the cover of a magazine like this. It is like this, like vision of beauty and sort of like this sexy, like I have it and I'm not going to say still have it. Cause I think like you have it no matter what, as long as you feel like you have it, it is so special to see someone who has four kids because they think that we talk about it all the time on the show about like the term bounce back and how it's just not right. Because once you become a mom, it's different. Right? Like your body did what it did. It's not going to be exactly the same way that it was ever again. Yeah. And so it, I find it to be unbelievably empowering just to see that you not only said yes to this, but look phenomenal. You nailed this. You nailed it. It was great to, you know, have conversations, conversations with them and be like, Hey, I'm not going to wear a bikini. Like I have had four kids. This is, I feel comfortable showing this. I feel comfortable showing this. I don't feel comfortable showing this. And they're like, got it, got it, got it. You know? And like that, there's so much power in that. Like, I am so proud of my body, obviously, you know, I've worked really hard, but my body's worked really hard for me and produced an entire family, you know, that I'm so like, so grateful for it. That's where, like, that's everything to me. Um, but to, you know, show other women and to, to, you know, to hear, even, even to go back to the phrase, like, Oh, you still got it. Like, it's crazy how many people come up to me and they're like, Oh my God, well, you look so good. And I'm like, I'm not even 40. Like, I, I know you've known me forever, but like I'm 38. And like a lot of people haven't even had their first kid yet. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Over your four pregnancies, has your idea of body image and body confidence changed? It's never been easy. No pregnancy. Not a single one of my pregnancies have I ever just been like, Oh my God, I love this. Like, I don't love it. I love the outcome of it. And of course there's a means to an end, right? Yes. It's a means to an end. Of course there's sweet, you know, things that come up, sweet memories attached to it. A lot of power that's attached to it. Like there's growth and, you know, all of that stuff. I love that, that ride hate being pregnant, hate. like having something in my body like it's it's just it's it's it's it's crazy and then you know kind of like what you're left with afterwards and how long that whole thing takes and the pressure on you and that like it's all so consuming and then of course like I've done it four times so like it's all worth it but I think each time I've been pregnant and like kind of gotten to the other side and I don't mean that in a negative way but just like where you're like feel like a person again and you're closer to fit and and all of that you're like oh I recognize that thing and that's happening to me right now and I'm just like a little more there's a little bit more ease around those question marks so the feelings that come along with like pregnancy or the aftermath I still think one of the hardest things that I've done in my life is try to get dressed postpartum when you have somewhere the first time you have somewhere to go the first time you have something to get dressed for yeah and all of a sudden you like go to slip on like maybe you're like jeans that you're like no no these these girls they got my back and all of a sudden you're like why won't this button close yeah And you, it's so hard. It's so hard. And I think that you're used to having like a giant belly. So once that giant belly's down, but like the rest of you isn't down, you're like, yes. What are we doing? Like, Hey guys, that sucks. Hey, belly, can you tell me a man could never deal with this? Not one day ever. No. Well, the, the hard part I truly think is that you end up like as women, and I don't know how your experience was before you had children, but I think we fight the good fight to feel good about ourselves, to not compare ourselves to others, to try and not focus on the numbers on the scale or to try and focus on the number on the clothing that we're, we're buying or wearing. And so to then end up in like a, okay, I'm a woman and I'm in this situation and now I feel decent about myself and I'm not worried about the number in my pants. And then all of a sudden you get pregnant and you're like, this body is not my body. This body belongs to this being inside of me. And I do think that having for your second is easier because you're like, Oh, I know that I'm going to do this, this, and this. Yeah. And your third is easier because you're like, I did this twice. And then how was the fourth for you? I'm like, I, I could do, I feel like I could do it with my eyes closed. I'm like, I could map it out. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I think that for me at the, by my third trimester of my fourth, I was in my body for the first time being pregnant was like in a lot of pain. I think my body was like, we don't need to do this again. Like I can't keep up with three kids and be as like active and running around with them and climbing up in the top bunk and down and, you know, on my feet all day. And like, I just, my body was like, we're done with this is like, Hey, can you sit down? Yeah. Yeah. Sit down. Uh-huh. Now being you said you're five, two. Yeah. I'm almost five, three. Actually the doctor was like, you know, you're almost five, three. And I was like, that is such a win to know at this age in life. I pulled everyone my whole life. I'd five, two. I might as well be five, three. Now, how did you carry your pregnancies? Like, were you, did your belly just go like straight out? Were you basically like all belly because there's nowhere else to go? Cause I used to explain to people that like people would, I'd be very, I'm five 11. I would be very, like pretty far along and people would be like, Oh my gosh, you don't even look pregnant. I'm like, do you know how much torso I have to hide it? Right. Like there's, so there's no space to hide. There's no hiding. There's no hiding in this, in this torso. So I asked because my mom is five, two. How is that possible? Is your dad a giant? He's six, one, nine. Okay. Yeah. My mom talks about how she couldn't touch her belly button when she was pregnant with me. Cause her belly was so big. Yeah. The poor girl. I know. I apologize frequently. I could touch my belly button, but I did. I got quite large every pregnancy. I forget. There was one where I kind of held it together for a while, but then I didn't, I get, I have like really big bellies. I don't carry differently. Every single pregnancy, every single pregnancy, my second pregnancy, I worked out. I was like a new human being. I was like, this is the best thing ever. My third, you could not have pried my belly. My third, you could not have pried my ass off the couch with a crowbar. Really? I couldn't do it. I don't know what it was. I felt the laziest that I've ever felt in my life. Wow. I worked out with every pregnancy. I feel like that didn't, even though I worked out, I feel like it didn't change like how much weight I gained. Like it was just, it was just a nice thing I did for my body to work out in my brain. Yes. And it was inevitable. It was worse. We're supposed to carry our babies the way we carry them. And that's that. Yeah. Did the donuts help me? Probably not, but she wanted them. Who was I to stop her? What is your, what do you have? All girls. Oh my God. You have all girls. Yes. Well, I mean, we're close to you. You have three girls, one boy. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. You have all, did you ever cry when you found out like what you're having? My second, I sobbed. Yeah. And we've talked on the show about gender disappointment because I think it's real. I think no matter what you have this like gut feeling about what you have. And if you're Dr. Tells you that it's the opposite, like you have some degree of disappointment. I, when we found out we were having our fourth girl, I was relieved because it was like, if we're having four kids, it feels good that they're all the same gender. But then I got sad afterwards because I thought to myself, I'm never going to meet a mini version version of my husband. And that made me a little sad. Turns out we actually made four of them. They're just girls. That's totally fine. That's amazing. That's amazing. Now I'm going to, I'm going to get us back to, because I need, we need to talk about this music tour, your new music and your tour, because I am so excited about this. Um, I mentioned it in your, in your intro, but you've got a new album, which is amazing. Uh, roommates and mature are, I kept going on replay because they're just, they're a good vibe. They feel good. And also I love the little, the little hints in there. I love a little scandalous hint. I do. I love it. Uh, now do you have a favorite song from the album? Is this one of my favorite questions to ask people about new albums? Because then it helps me deep dive songs that I maybe have not gotten deep enough into yet. Okay. Um, I love weather for tennis and I love adult size medium. I think those are kind of like not as like obvious of us. I also love holiday party. I don't, there's like a whole bunch of songs that I feel like obviously mature was like the first song I came out with to kind of like reintroduce like the, the sound. And then, um, you know, and then I think there's like some obvious ones when you listen, you're like, Oh, that's, that's like sticky. Like weather for tennis, like feels super sticky to me. I don't know. Um, I, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I just like live for what it's about and who it's speaking to. And like, when I, when I went to make this record, I was like, obviously I'm a mom. I'm a mom of four. And I'm like, I know my fans and I have gone through like such similar life experiences or sorry, not my fans, just people, my age, right? Like we've, we're here, we've arrived. Like here are some of the themes I'm dealing with. How about you? Anyway, there's, there's so many songs I love on the record. It's like really, really a, a authentic, like open book. And it was so fun to create and just kind of like pour a whole bunch of my personality that people haven't, you know, seen in a long time into it. It's, it's very refreshing to get to listen to music that like you're saying is current for you, like life experience, because it is like the fans that have grown up with you alongside you, like not only a fan, but a peer, like you're talking about, like that, we're similar ages and that we're hitting the same phases of life and experiences. So to hear that from you on this album, it feels first of all, validating. And second, like it's an easy listen and a comforting listen because it's so relatable to current life. And I think that that's why the, like, like I mentioned before, the comments of people saying like, well, this isn't meant for children. Well, you're not in your childhood years anymore. Yeah. You're now raising children. You know, for, for, for the people who I'm really trying to talk to are all of the people who've shown up for this record and, and, and made this moment what it has become, which is really beyond my wildest dreams. You know, I feel so lucky that I got to, you know, play Lizzie McGuire and have that, that moment in my youth. And for some reason, like lightning struck and I got to, I got to tap people in like a very important way, you know, in a way that, that struck them and was, you know, important for them in their life. And then, you know, come back around and really just be very genuine about like my approach and then have them relate to that too. And, and be seen on this level at this age, it's incredibly like healing for me to be like, I got to do it again. I, and I get to be me, fully me. This episode is sponsored by Liquid. There's nothing I love more than thinking about my childhood memories of going down to the shore. 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Are you just saying that because you're talking to me? No, I mean it. I mean, I have family in Boston. I don't know if those are like big competitors, but I love Philly. I love Boston. I love New York. I feel like they're great, enthusiastic cities. And what can people expect? I mean, you know, it's been really fun to like dig into my catalog and find like the songs that really resonated with me when I performed them when I was young and bring them back out and like, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Revamp them a little bit. So people can expect like the old and the new and to like come and have a great like carefree night. There'll be lots of color. There'll be, you know, some surprises. I'm like, how do I tease this? Rehearsals start like this week. And there's a lot of like surprises in store. So I'm, I'm super excited. I'm excited to see what's going to happen. I'm excited to see I haven't done this in fucking forever. So it's, I'm going to try to get a lot of sleep while I'm on the road and, and show up the best that I can. But the shows that I've done so far have felt so good and just like went by in the blink of an eye. Now we don't, I'd also like to talk to you a little bit about some throwback stuff, if that's okay with you. Um, I know you just released a rerecorded version of come clean. What made you want to rerecord some of your earlier stuff? Oh my gosh. Well, I gotta be honest with you. The whole tailor of it all really set, set the bar for being like, no, here's how we're going to do this. Here's how this is going to go. No, it's mine. No, it's mine. I actually called my versions mine. Um, and, um, and then I think the other reason was like, I recorded those songs when I was, like 14 years old. Like I had not a clue what I was doing. I had no technique. I didn't, you know, the internet loves to remind me of this. And, um, I think that I was just like, I am such a different person now. If I'm going to sing these songs, like I want it to feel and sound like me. And, you know, I still very much sound like young. Um, but there, it was just like funny too, to go back and like really try to get some of those sounds. I felt so bad. Brian, my producer was like, I really been trying to figure this one out. Like the times were so different that the, the interesting use of like percussion or like, like it was just very, not what it is today. Now bringing up that time, you were on the top of the charts with some of your first album. Uh, alongside huge names like Kelly Clarkson, Brittany, Christina, did your paths ever cross with those singers? And were there ever times where you feel felt starstruck or was it really a moment of like, that those are your peers and that you guys are, are equals? Oh my God. I never felt equal to any of like the pop greats because I feel like I was slightly younger than all of them. Um, and also I just was like a little Disney star. Like I never, you know, like Christina and Brittany were like on a whole nother planet than me. And I remember, I think I was, I can't remember what award show it was, but I was performing at the award show. And I remember during the set, I might've been singing like, so yesterday or something and just like looking, like looking up and like locking eyes with Christina Aguilera. I'm being like, Oh my God. Just like, I'm not okay. Um, but yeah, no, I think I, I think I maybe always felt like kid sister. Does that make sense? It does. Especially because of the, the age gap. Now, speaking of pop icons, when I had Mandy Moore on the show, we talked a little bit about 2000s fashion. Um, I believe, uh, she had some blonde eyebrows and a lot of choker necklaces, but you had some iconic outfits too. And, uh, I'm looking at a decent amount of denim. Yep. Uh, a dress over pants. Oh yeah. Also, should we should just talk about the like amount of accessorizing? I mean, it's still a lot, but the, the endless accessories was really my staple. Loved it. I loved it. I will also tell you, I do think that you absolutely nailed. And I, so I still coach. I coach high school field hockey and I love to remind the girls that I coach now when they are hitting these like new fashion trends. I'm like, Nope, we did that. Nope. We did that. Nope. We had that first. Like I still remember in like third grade wearing the biker shorts, we did biker shorts first. Right. And I try to remind them of that to keep them humble. The low rise pants that are coming back now with just like a hint of the bottom of your stomach showing like, not belly button, not crop top, just the bottom of your belly. You nailed that look so hard back then. You nailed it so hard. Thank you so much. I have, I have visual proof in our rundown. You nailed that. And so I would just like to acknowledge the young women who are listening. Hillary walked so you could run. Thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate that. Yes. Um, did you have a favorite look besides your accessories or maybe it is your accessories? Did you have a favorite thing from that era of fashion? Honestly, Capri pants are so back right now. It's crazy. I don't know if I'm willing to do it. Like I think my shape is just not conducive for that anymore. Like, but like Lizzie McGuire wore, she was like, she did the Capri pants all the time at the little like slit on the side at the knee. And I'm seeing them everywhere. Now my stylist Nilo tried to get me to wear a pair with like a corset. And I put it, I was laughing. I was hysterically laughing, trying to get in them. And it was like a hard outfit to get in. Cause it was like a full lace sack, like corset. And honestly, I looked in the mirror and I was like, wait, I look so cool. Wait, do I like this? Yeah. But then I was like, I can't, I can't take this seriously. Like I just, you know, when you get the giggles and you can't stop laughing every time I look them in the mirror, I was like, I can't, I can't. But I think that honestly, like that was, that was a big me thing. And now it's back. I will say the Capri's coming back actually helps me out a lot because I can't tell you how many times I order a regular length pant and it comes and it looks like a flood is on its way. And I'm prepared because the whole ankle is out. We're talking up to the calf, like a true Capri. If I get a cropped, if I get a regular jean and it is cropped style close to my, like right under my knee. Yeah. it's bad it's but apparently it's good now it's honestly i'm actually fine hayley used to like hayley bieber's wearing capri pants all all over the place it's your time i mean here's the thing you're gonna have to pry my sweatpants from my cold dead hands yeah yeah i know i feel that hard pants and i don't really get along really see i feel like when i'm when i get the baby out of my body like that's what i want i just want to put my jeans back on i want them to fit i'm such a jeans girl can you coach me up on that because maybe i just i will say years ago i went through a month long where i was like ordering every it was actually after my second child i ordered so many freaking pairs of jeans to try on in the privacy of my own home yeah that's the way to do it it was countless but i could not i still haven't found ones well i had one pair god they were good one single pair of jeans let me tell you i had one pair of jeans and her and i like this oh but then also my thighs are like this so i wore a little i wore them they were the only jeans i would wear and i wore right next to the seam on the inner thigh and they're no longer could you could it get them repaired i don't think so my thighs love each other this they're like we are meant to be besties who am i who am i to say that i'm not a bestie i'm besties who am i who am i to separate them you know but those those were the only jeans where i was like i'd wear these every day what was the brand i'd love to tell you i'm a real a goldie girl right now but i have no idea if that works for tall girls is that how you say that oh my god is it not i'm pretty sure it is tell me you were saying a goldie i have no i've never said it out loud literally never said the brand out loud i mean i'm pretty sure it's a no no i am when i say that i am not questioning you i'm asking you for reassurance so that when i do decide the time comes to say that brand out loud okay i'm gonna be your coach it's a goldie you're like got it a gold done now i can talk to the woman at the store about the a goldie jeans perfect oh gosh um now i'd love to circle back to motherhood since you have a lot of time to talk to a teenager in the house i'm always shocked to learn about gen alpha slang from my high school field hockey players have you learned any new words from your son yeah i mean all the time i'm like what am i gonna say that's not going to like completely embarrass him because the second i use it or talk about him he's like just don't please don't it's very cringe i don't know if cringe is old now cringe might be old there's probably a new there's probably a new term for cringe something i heard him saying the other day was like he he wanted to take like a screen like a screen grab of his friend him and his friend his mom sent me a picture of them when they were little like oh look at this look at them at this whatever and luca was like oh let me have that when we have that and like screen grabbed it they based and like to like torture him with it right because now he has a baby photo of him and so basically they they they call that like have you ever seen them like to facetime each other they don't put their faces on the screen uh my niece does this okay so the the like phones up here and you're like what why are you what are you doing it's called like getting clipped or something what yeah and they don't want to get clipped they don't want like a screen grab to be taken of them okay this is helpful right yeah i don't know ask your field hockey team let me tell you two field hockey seasons ago i had to get explained uh 0.5 what's 0.5 in someone did you get 0.5 oh is it where they the photos yes i do and it's like the worst possible angle yeah and one of them got me and i said you know what you can have that you're like baron square that's my gift to you don't ever say i didn't do anything for you yeah i know i i can't keep up last season i i say this like a badge of honor last season one of my girls told me that i was unk and it doesn't i don't think it's quite as flattering as like the og version of unk which is just like sort of like your elder like someone you respect that's older i think it's more of like oh you're old period i've never even heard that unk and you're like maybe it's an east coast thing maybe it's an east coast thing it hasn't arrived here yet well you're welcome maybe you can get ahead of it if i use it tonight luca's gonna be like no no how old is your oldest six years old so we're not there you walked it out fast yes five six three and one yes are you okay no thank you for asking yeah like what on earth no because because i don't like being pregnant so you're just like i just wanted to get it over with and be done with it because i don't like it i don't enjoy myself i'm nauseous the whole time they take over my body i have different symptoms with every single one of them oh it's trash it's trash it's trash it's actually a means to an end and i love smushy babies i love them this is really off topic but i just feel the need to share with you right now because you know when everyone comes and tells you when you're pregnant like oh this horrible thing happened to me yeah you know how i feel about it i don't know how i feel about it i don't everyone loves to tell you their horror stories and they and like it is a rite of passage right they have them we recently got hamsters and the same experience is happening to me everyone's coming out of the woodworks like oh you want to hear about my hamsters oh you want to know what my hamsters did and i'm like this reminds me of when i was pregnant and everyone wants to like dump on you i'm like we got hamsters it happened they just they are trying to just wait you with the hamster the just wait until the 18 months until the other one bites the other one's head off like i'm like what just wait until it surprisingly has babies and eats them yeah i will tell you i'll give you a piece of advice about hamsters that um is a school trick my mom has worked in elementary schools for over 30 years okay uh because you know every so often there's a classroom pet that escapes no this is if they escape sometimes they decide to be an escape artist if it escapes you get one of the um like lowe's home depot bucket and you get a little ramp anything you can use a ramp to get up into the bucket and you put food in the bucket something enticing peanut butter nuts something that's nice and smelly and they'll want to go into and um eventually you'll just hear a little plop because they will walk up the little ramp and fall into the bucket and then they can't get out so that now you have your hamster back got it okay all right that's if you want to save them if you think they're still alive i'm like i don't know how long they're gonna last for and that's okay yeah i mean if they survive they're not gonna survive my cats my one cat lays on top of the hamster uh how about the cat a pet is what you're saying oh yeah and she's like yeah she's waiting for that she's like escape just do it just escape real quick just try it just try tonight let me open the door for you yeah this way out uh-huh yeah yeah so if i i won't so much doom and gloom you but if they do make it out and you still think they're alive the bucket just get a lowe's bucket a little ramp on the peanut butter we're good um now i would like to ask you uh as someone who i you couldn't pay me to do what you did let's start there uh i need to know though what is harder childbirth or getting through all hot one swings is that what you mean you wouldn't have a home birth couldn't pay me okay well did you have home births yeah i have so many questions okay did they bring the pool to you the pool is like in my house like two to three weeks before i give birth but it's like not blown up that's my husband's job once it's like go time is it your pool or the birth doula's pool it's my sorry i don't like own it but it's from a company perfect okay thank you so much for clarifying this yeah i thought maybe people were giving birth to these babies this is not even to be funny i truly thought this i truly thought that people were having babies in these pools and then they would like wait a couple years and then they would put it out back like a kiddie pool for kids to play in and i was like what a beautiful rite of passage to get born into the pool and then get to play in the pool i don't know the difference because i am not a home birth person no no no thank god okay it's a totally by the way it's like sterilized and whatever but it's like this makes me feel better it's a high it's you know how kiddie pools are like low yes this is like enough where you could like a hot tub yes more like an inflatable hot tub okay okay now i'm with you yeah this makes me feel a lot better um yes i would not i'm not a home birth person because i love an epidural i love it so much okay and i work friends yeah but do did you think I mean then knowing that it's that you did a home birth I feel like I know the answer but which was harder the home birth was much harder but hot wings once you get to like I was so excited when I found out it got hot I feel like I was like manifesting that coming to me I wanted it so bad because I love spicy things I love hot sauce I love that show i love the format like been a fan for a long time so i like was so excited that i got there i was like oh my god i actually have to do this but like i love spicy things so it's all good once you get to like eight and you get to da bomb you're like not okay but you're like i'm at the end a little bit no i think more just like every gasp of air is like on your already burning throat you're just like and then you're trying to talk and make sense and like that's not easy can i tell you though when you baited him for water you want to go in for some water if you do okay trick yeah outstanding i was very proud of myself for that i was like where did that come from it would that you didn't go into that planning that no no no no so funny that clip i've watched it multiple times because the way you were like do you want to go in for some water you want some it was so innocent the way you were like you want some like like talking to your kids right and then all of a sudden you just go i was like yes nailed that you nailed that there's sometimes i'm like what's wrong with you are you okay like i don't know it's you know what all of i think that you know press is hard like it's hard to like talk to people over and over again about the same things and you know come up with like so that was like a fun at least it was like something going on on top of also like talking to you like i'm talking to a mom like that's that's an easy space for me you know but sometimes when you're like interview after interview after interview it's like really hard i was i was excited about that one and then i was like oh i've really pulled some funny tricks out of my sleeve now i do have to ask you it's the question i ask everyone um that is a mother i would love to know the best piece of motherhood advice that you've ever received oh my god i feel like it hasn't come from like once one person and it's not been like one it can also be advice you now give if that if that helps okay you have some experience yeah i do and i think well one of them is like a basic overall tip is just like not getting trapped in the like one size fits all model because each one of your kids needs something different so like meimei is so independent and sometimes i feel like i need to make sure she gets as much as the rest because she can kind of like cruise through and slay life and things seem to be easy for her you know but like thanks needs to download her day at the end like her love language is like time spent so all the kids like figuring out what your kids love language is and just giving them little like hits of that and then like i'm like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry you know that is really important for me as a mother and then the silliest one which i know is like talked about all the time but like truly getting down on their level and talking to them truly just when things are really hard and like the household is exploding and you're like at your end like just getting down on the level and being face to face with them i think like calms you down because you realize how small they are and also like makes them tune into you i have never thought about that way i've never thought about it that way that when you get down there you realize how small they are yeah because every so often i our six-year-old is very she's very bright and i'm not just saying that because i'm her mom but to a degree that sometimes i have to remind myself that she's only six years old yeah and just like having to crouch down like i always get down to face level with them but i've never now next time i do it i'm gonna take a moment to be like you are little you're little and that's so special yeah oh that's so great thank you so much for coming on to chat this has been absolutely wonderful you can uh get your tickets now to the lucky me tour i can't wait i have it marked off on my calendar i can't wait to meet you in real life i'll see you in philly i'm so excited yes please i'm biased but we're pretty great uh the philly tour is august 9th so hopefully i will see you there and um have a great day and i'll see you in philly have a blast on tour thank you so much for coming on i really appreciate it do you get to go to sleep now no i have to go do bedtime you what you get to you're going to do i have to go do bedtime and that's it for this episode of not gonna lie you can find even more clips for my longer conversation with hillary on my youtube channel on more shit monday i'll be back next thursday with a brand new episode follow us on social media at ngl with kylie for clips throughout the week 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